1 00:00:00,520 --> 00:00:03,720 Speaker 1: Already, and this is the Daily h This is the 2 00:00:03,800 --> 00:00:05,120 Speaker 1: Daily OS. 3 00:00:05,120 --> 00:00:06,840 Speaker 2: Oh, now it makes sense. 4 00:00:14,680 --> 00:00:17,279 Speaker 1: Good morning, and welcome to the Daily OS. It's Friday, 5 00:00:17,320 --> 00:00:19,759 Speaker 1: the twentieth of February. I'm Lucy Tassel. 6 00:00:19,920 --> 00:00:21,040 Speaker 2: I'm Emma Gillespie. 7 00:00:21,440 --> 00:00:25,799 Speaker 1: Emerald Fanelle's film adaptation of Emily Bronte's novel Wuthering Heights 8 00:00:26,040 --> 00:00:29,920 Speaker 1: was making headlines long before it actually hit theaters last week. 9 00:00:30,280 --> 00:00:33,960 Speaker 1: Two issues have drawn attention, the casting of Jacob Alordi 10 00:00:34,040 --> 00:00:37,440 Speaker 1: as Heathcliff and a necklace worn by Marco Robbie at 11 00:00:37,440 --> 00:00:40,400 Speaker 1: a premier event. This is a story that stretches from 12 00:00:40,520 --> 00:00:44,640 Speaker 1: seventeenth century India to the Transatlantic slave trade, to the 13 00:00:44,720 --> 00:00:48,159 Speaker 1: Yorkshire Wars in the eighteen hundreds to a Hollywood premiere 14 00:00:48,200 --> 00:00:51,680 Speaker 1: for a film starring two Australians. Let's unpack it. 15 00:00:51,640 --> 00:00:59,959 Speaker 2: All, Lucy. This is not the first Wuthering Heights film adaptation, 16 00:01:00,600 --> 00:01:04,039 Speaker 2: and it's not the first to cause a bit of controversy. 17 00:01:04,560 --> 00:01:08,039 Speaker 2: But Emerald Fanelle's Wuthering Heights has been in cinemas now 18 00:01:08,120 --> 00:01:11,440 Speaker 2: for a little over a week. Based on box office numbers, 19 00:01:11,480 --> 00:01:14,640 Speaker 2: and certainly the TDA offers many, many, many, many, many 20 00:01:14,720 --> 00:01:17,360 Speaker 2: people have gone to see it. Based on the hype 21 00:01:17,360 --> 00:01:20,320 Speaker 2: around this film online, many people want to see it. 22 00:01:20,720 --> 00:01:23,919 Speaker 2: But for those who haven't yet gotten there, or maybe 23 00:01:23,959 --> 00:01:26,920 Speaker 2: those who've never read the original novel, what do we 24 00:01:27,000 --> 00:01:28,880 Speaker 2: need to know about Wuthering Heights. 25 00:01:29,319 --> 00:01:32,679 Speaker 1: I'll start with some kind of biographical data first. So 26 00:01:33,040 --> 00:01:36,000 Speaker 1: Wuthering Heights was published in eighteen forty seven. It was 27 00:01:36,040 --> 00:01:39,039 Speaker 1: written by Emily Bronte. It was her only novel to 28 00:01:39,120 --> 00:01:42,800 Speaker 1: be published, and she died the following year, aged thirty. Wow. 29 00:01:42,880 --> 00:01:46,840 Speaker 1: Emily was one of the famous literary Bronte sisters. Her 30 00:01:46,920 --> 00:01:50,560 Speaker 1: sister Charlotte wrote Jane Eyre, one of my personal favorite books, 31 00:01:51,000 --> 00:01:54,200 Speaker 1: and her sister Anne wrote The Tenant of wildfell Hall, 32 00:01:54,280 --> 00:01:57,400 Speaker 1: which is an early feminist novel. Now in terms of 33 00:01:57,440 --> 00:02:00,720 Speaker 1: Wathering Heights more specifically, the novel is set on the 34 00:02:00,760 --> 00:02:04,360 Speaker 1: moors of Yorkshire, which is actually where the Brontes grew up. 35 00:02:04,680 --> 00:02:09,079 Speaker 1: This is a region of low, rolling hills, wide vistas, 36 00:02:09,480 --> 00:02:14,240 Speaker 1: grassy expanses. In those days, they would have been fairly 37 00:02:14,440 --> 00:02:17,760 Speaker 1: uninterrupted for long stretches by buildings and roads in the 38 00:02:17,760 --> 00:02:20,360 Speaker 1: way that they kind of are now. This setting is 39 00:02:20,480 --> 00:02:23,120 Speaker 1: used to great effect in the novel, which is set 40 00:02:23,280 --> 00:02:25,760 Speaker 1: entirely in two houses that are just a couple of 41 00:02:25,840 --> 00:02:29,000 Speaker 1: kilometers apart actually in walking distance, but one is not 42 00:02:29,080 --> 00:02:32,359 Speaker 1: visible from the other, and on the moors. As I said, 43 00:02:32,400 --> 00:02:34,720 Speaker 1: the novel was published in eighteen forty seven, but it's 44 00:02:34,760 --> 00:02:38,520 Speaker 1: set actually earlier. It's set ranging from the seventeen seventies 45 00:02:38,639 --> 00:02:42,640 Speaker 1: to the eighteen hundreds. And that timing is important because 46 00:02:42,720 --> 00:02:47,040 Speaker 1: that actually leads us to the first controversy surrounding Finelle's adaptation, 47 00:02:47,480 --> 00:02:50,679 Speaker 1: And that's because this is a time period seventeen seventies 48 00:02:50,720 --> 00:02:54,280 Speaker 1: to the early eighteen hundreds where just one hundred kilometers 49 00:02:54,320 --> 00:02:57,280 Speaker 1: away from where the Brontes grew up is the town 50 00:02:57,360 --> 00:03:02,040 Speaker 1: of Liverpool, which was a major trading port and specifically 51 00:03:02,120 --> 00:03:07,040 Speaker 1: Britain's main slave trading port before Britain outlawed slavery. 52 00:03:07,240 --> 00:03:10,679 Speaker 2: Okay, so an important plot detail that we will get 53 00:03:10,720 --> 00:03:14,120 Speaker 2: to because this is where the discussions around casting come in, 54 00:03:14,240 --> 00:03:18,320 Speaker 2: specifically about Jacob Elordi being in this new film. I've 55 00:03:18,360 --> 00:03:21,680 Speaker 2: heard the phrase whitewashing to talk about this casting. Can 56 00:03:21,720 --> 00:03:23,720 Speaker 2: you unpack that controversy first? 57 00:03:23,960 --> 00:03:27,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, So with this new film directed by Emerald Fanelle, 58 00:03:28,000 --> 00:03:32,080 Speaker 1: who has also directed Promising Young Woman and Saltburn, She's 59 00:03:32,200 --> 00:03:36,160 Speaker 1: cast Margo Robbie who she worked with as a producer 60 00:03:36,280 --> 00:03:40,240 Speaker 1: on Saltburn and promising young woman, and Jacob Alordie who 61 00:03:40,320 --> 00:03:43,320 Speaker 1: appeared in Saltburn. He was one of the leads. So 62 00:03:43,440 --> 00:03:46,920 Speaker 1: Jacob Elordi was born in Australia and he has Basque heritage, 63 00:03:47,000 --> 00:03:50,760 Speaker 1: that's the people from the western border of Spain and France. Okay, 64 00:03:50,920 --> 00:03:54,480 Speaker 1: he is white like almost every actor who's ever been 65 00:03:54,520 --> 00:03:58,120 Speaker 1: cast to play the role of Heathcliff, and that's including 66 00:03:58,160 --> 00:04:02,120 Speaker 1: people like Laurence Olivier and Ray Fine. One exception was 67 00:04:02,200 --> 00:04:05,880 Speaker 1: in twenty eleven that was directed by Andrea Arnold and 68 00:04:05,880 --> 00:04:08,360 Speaker 1: that starred black British actor James Housen. 69 00:04:08,720 --> 00:04:11,920 Speaker 2: Okay, but why is that significant, Lucy like the character 70 00:04:12,000 --> 00:04:15,720 Speaker 2: of Heathcliff, who has historically in these adaptations been cast 71 00:04:15,760 --> 00:04:19,080 Speaker 2: as predominantly white men. Why does that matter? What does 72 00:04:19,120 --> 00:04:21,320 Speaker 2: the original text tell us about that character? 73 00:04:21,800 --> 00:04:24,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, so it comes back to that Liverpool point that 74 00:04:24,520 --> 00:04:27,320 Speaker 1: I mentioned and the slave trade. So the novel centers 75 00:04:27,320 --> 00:04:31,280 Speaker 1: on Heathcliffe's relationship with a woman named Katherine Earnshaw. They 76 00:04:31,320 --> 00:04:34,360 Speaker 1: meet as children when Heathcliff is brought back to her 77 00:04:34,360 --> 00:04:38,280 Speaker 1: family's cottage by Katherine Earnshaw's father who says that he's 78 00:04:38,320 --> 00:04:43,200 Speaker 1: got him from Liverpool, and he's described as dark skinned 79 00:04:43,240 --> 00:04:47,120 Speaker 1: and Bronte uses other terms historically applied to marginalized groups, 80 00:04:47,400 --> 00:04:52,159 Speaker 1: including the Roma community and South Asian sailors. At one point, 81 00:04:52,160 --> 00:04:55,200 Speaker 1: a character says he could be an American or Spanish castaway. 82 00:04:55,320 --> 00:04:59,600 Speaker 1: So the Liverpool connection the physical description of the character 83 00:04:59,680 --> 00:05:03,000 Speaker 1: of Heath Heathcliff, along with other aspects that we're not 84 00:05:03,040 --> 00:05:05,440 Speaker 1: a literary analysis podcast, so we're not going to get 85 00:05:05,440 --> 00:05:08,800 Speaker 1: into it, but it has often informed scholarly interpretations that 86 00:05:08,880 --> 00:05:11,120 Speaker 1: Heathcliff is not white. But I should say that this 87 00:05:11,200 --> 00:05:14,000 Speaker 1: is not like a settled point in academic literature, because 88 00:05:14,200 --> 00:05:15,520 Speaker 1: few things are okay. 89 00:05:15,560 --> 00:05:18,479 Speaker 2: But there are plenty of signs that point to Heathcliff 90 00:05:18,680 --> 00:05:20,560 Speaker 2: not being white, and I don't think you need to 91 00:05:20,560 --> 00:05:24,720 Speaker 2: be a literary scholar to interpret it as such. So 92 00:05:24,800 --> 00:05:29,279 Speaker 2: that all being said, Jacob Elodie is one of that 93 00:05:29,640 --> 00:05:33,640 Speaker 2: line of actors cast in these adaptations who is white. 94 00:05:34,040 --> 00:05:37,160 Speaker 2: So what has the response been to the Heathcliff of 95 00:05:37,279 --> 00:05:38,279 Speaker 2: twenty twenty six. 96 00:05:38,600 --> 00:05:41,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, So, as you mentioned, some people have described this 97 00:05:41,080 --> 00:05:45,760 Speaker 1: as whitewashing, including content creator and author Elie Rallo, who 98 00:05:45,800 --> 00:05:49,479 Speaker 1: said Heathcliff's quote racial otherness causes him to be the 99 00:05:49,520 --> 00:05:53,919 Speaker 1: subject of a lot of racialized violence and dehumanization. She said, 100 00:05:54,000 --> 00:05:57,320 Speaker 1: by casting Jacob Elordi a white man, you are entirely 101 00:05:57,360 --> 00:06:02,200 Speaker 1: erasing that plot. And author Nisa Hussein said on X quote, 102 00:06:02,279 --> 00:06:05,000 Speaker 1: I'm rereading Wuthering Heights in preparation for the movie, and 103 00:06:05,080 --> 00:06:08,440 Speaker 1: it's so obvious Heathcliff is non white. The other characters 104 00:06:08,480 --> 00:06:11,120 Speaker 1: are bigoted against him because of his race. The book 105 00:06:11,320 --> 00:06:13,560 Speaker 1: doesn't make sense if you think he's white. 106 00:06:13,800 --> 00:06:18,280 Speaker 2: Okay, So some quite strong reactions to a Lordie's casting. 107 00:06:18,839 --> 00:06:22,039 Speaker 2: Have we heard from the actual cast of Emerald Fanell's 108 00:06:22,080 --> 00:06:24,680 Speaker 2: Wuthering Heights? Have they responded to this criticism? 109 00:06:24,960 --> 00:06:27,120 Speaker 1: So we've heard from people on the creative team. We've 110 00:06:27,120 --> 00:06:30,680 Speaker 1: heard from Fanelle who said that Jacob Elordi quote looked 111 00:06:30,760 --> 00:06:33,920 Speaker 1: exactly like the illustration of Heathcliff on the first book 112 00:06:33,960 --> 00:06:37,239 Speaker 1: that I read of Wuthering Heights. And the film's casting 113 00:06:37,279 --> 00:06:41,200 Speaker 1: director Carmel Cochrane also defended the choice. Back in April 114 00:06:41,200 --> 00:06:43,919 Speaker 1: twenty twenty five. She said, quote, just wait till you 115 00:06:43,960 --> 00:06:46,080 Speaker 1: see it. You really don't need to be accurate. It's 116 00:06:46,200 --> 00:06:48,400 Speaker 1: just a book that is not based on real life. 117 00:06:48,440 --> 00:06:49,279 Speaker 1: It's all art. 118 00:06:49,760 --> 00:06:53,640 Speaker 2: Okay. So that's basically everything we need to know about 119 00:06:53,640 --> 00:06:57,120 Speaker 2: this casting controversy. But I want to move on to 120 00:06:57,320 --> 00:07:00,520 Speaker 2: a second controversy, which you mentioned at the top. This 121 00:07:00,560 --> 00:07:03,920 Speaker 2: one centers all around a necklace. We're going to get 122 00:07:03,920 --> 00:07:10,400 Speaker 2: into that right after a quick word from our sponsor. Okay, Lucy, 123 00:07:10,640 --> 00:07:13,680 Speaker 2: So moving on to this other controversy surrounding a necklace 124 00:07:13,720 --> 00:07:17,040 Speaker 2: worn by Margot Robbie at one of the film premiere events. 125 00:07:17,560 --> 00:07:19,160 Speaker 2: What is going on here? What do we need to 126 00:07:19,160 --> 00:07:20,080 Speaker 2: know about this necklace? 127 00:07:20,480 --> 00:07:23,440 Speaker 1: So, at one of the many premiere events for this film, 128 00:07:23,520 --> 00:07:26,560 Speaker 1: this one in Los Angeles, Margot Robbie wore a necklace 129 00:07:26,600 --> 00:07:29,800 Speaker 1: that she identified as having been owned by old Hollywood 130 00:07:29,960 --> 00:07:34,800 Speaker 1: icon Elizabeth Taylor before the Jewelry House cartier. Robbie told 131 00:07:34,920 --> 00:07:39,440 Speaker 1: Vogue the eight million dollar necklace in US dollars had 132 00:07:39,520 --> 00:07:42,600 Speaker 1: quote a lot of romantic history and felt appropriate for 133 00:07:42,880 --> 00:07:43,640 Speaker 1: the event. 134 00:07:43,480 --> 00:07:45,880 Speaker 2: And also a bit of context about Elizabeth Taylor, old 135 00:07:45,920 --> 00:07:49,240 Speaker 2: Hollywood legend who was known for her very impressive and 136 00:07:49,360 --> 00:07:51,080 Speaker 2: vast jewelry collection. 137 00:07:50,880 --> 00:07:54,200 Speaker 1: Right, yeah, her diamonds, and her love affairs. She had 138 00:07:54,280 --> 00:07:57,640 Speaker 1: many and they wore all iconic many husbands eight to 139 00:07:57,680 --> 00:07:58,240 Speaker 1: be exact. 140 00:07:58,360 --> 00:08:02,160 Speaker 2: Rest in peace, Elizabeth Taylor. Really okay, but that's not 141 00:08:02,320 --> 00:08:05,240 Speaker 2: painting the full picture of the origins of this necklace. 142 00:08:04,880 --> 00:08:08,000 Speaker 1: Is it. It's not. Yeah. So the necklace in question 143 00:08:08,320 --> 00:08:10,960 Speaker 1: does actually have a lot of history reaching back to 144 00:08:11,120 --> 00:08:16,120 Speaker 1: seventeenth century India. It features a diamond pendant that's really 145 00:08:16,160 --> 00:08:18,239 Speaker 1: the crucial part of it. It's often called the taj 146 00:08:18,320 --> 00:08:23,360 Speaker 1: Mahal diamond. It was first given by Emperor Jahan Geir 147 00:08:23,440 --> 00:08:27,080 Speaker 1: to his wife, Empress nur Jahan, and was passed down 148 00:08:27,240 --> 00:08:30,680 Speaker 1: through the family. The diamond was engraved with nur Jahan's 149 00:08:30,760 --> 00:08:34,360 Speaker 1: name and the phrase Lady of the Padshah. The couple's 150 00:08:34,400 --> 00:08:38,120 Speaker 1: son then gave it to his wife, Mumtaz Mahal, whose 151 00:08:38,160 --> 00:08:41,760 Speaker 1: death inspired the construction of the taj Mahal, leading to 152 00:08:41,800 --> 00:08:42,800 Speaker 1: the diamond getting. 153 00:08:42,600 --> 00:08:45,840 Speaker 2: Its name right. So interesting, So this is we're talking 154 00:08:46,240 --> 00:08:47,840 Speaker 2: four hundred plus years ago. 155 00:08:48,040 --> 00:08:51,200 Speaker 1: Yeah. In the nineteen seventies, The New York Times reported 156 00:08:51,320 --> 00:08:54,080 Speaker 1: the pendant had been brought from India by a woman 157 00:08:54,200 --> 00:08:59,000 Speaker 1: named Rose Marie Kenmore. Her husband at the time owned Katier, 158 00:08:59,200 --> 00:08:59,680 Speaker 1: the jewelry. 159 00:09:00,120 --> 00:09:02,240 Speaker 2: I was wondering how Cartier got involved in all of this. 160 00:09:02,480 --> 00:09:05,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, so she went on a gemology trip to India 161 00:09:05,600 --> 00:09:08,360 Speaker 1: and she brought it back right. Yeah. Krtier then put 162 00:09:08,400 --> 00:09:11,160 Speaker 1: the diamond on a metal necklace. It had previously been 163 00:09:11,160 --> 00:09:15,040 Speaker 1: on a silk cord. And then Richard Burton purchased the 164 00:09:15,080 --> 00:09:18,679 Speaker 1: necklace for Elizabeth Taylor, then his wife. I believe that 165 00:09:18,800 --> 00:09:20,640 Speaker 1: was the first time that they were married, of the 166 00:09:20,679 --> 00:09:24,560 Speaker 1: two times Cartier put that package together, and that's what 167 00:09:24,600 --> 00:09:27,120 Speaker 1: we now see on Margo Robbie's neck. 168 00:09:27,440 --> 00:09:32,120 Speaker 2: Okay, can you unpack a little bit about why it 169 00:09:32,320 --> 00:09:35,560 Speaker 2: was so controversial to see that necklace on Margo Robbie, 170 00:09:35,559 --> 00:09:39,800 Speaker 2: but also to hear her kind of reference its history 171 00:09:39,920 --> 00:09:43,200 Speaker 2: as an important piece of jewelry in Hollywood to Elizabeth 172 00:09:43,240 --> 00:09:46,160 Speaker 2: Taylor rather than touching on its cultural significance. 173 00:09:46,480 --> 00:09:48,720 Speaker 1: Yeah. So she said it had a lot of romantic history, 174 00:09:48,760 --> 00:09:50,520 Speaker 1: but as far as we're aware, she didn't get into 175 00:09:50,559 --> 00:09:54,760 Speaker 1: the specifics. In opposed to Instagram, Indian designer and fashion 176 00:09:54,880 --> 00:09:58,960 Speaker 1: historian Mayan Kruj Singh raised some concerns. He said the 177 00:09:59,000 --> 00:10:02,480 Speaker 1: diamond quote did not migrate. It was removed a duel 178 00:10:02,520 --> 00:10:06,000 Speaker 1: born of Indian soil, Indian Hands and Indian history. It 179 00:10:06,080 --> 00:10:10,120 Speaker 1: traveled west and was reborn as Spectacle. Decades later, it 180 00:10:10,240 --> 00:10:13,960 Speaker 1: reappeared on Margo Robbie. No One asked why it continues 181 00:10:14,000 --> 00:10:18,680 Speaker 1: to orbit Western necks while remaining unreachable to Indians. And 182 00:10:18,720 --> 00:10:22,040 Speaker 1: he also made reference to in this post instagram a 183 00:10:22,080 --> 00:10:25,199 Speaker 1: controversy from the twenty twenty five met Gala, which also 184 00:10:25,240 --> 00:10:27,079 Speaker 1: included a necklace and Katier. 185 00:10:27,320 --> 00:10:31,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, this is a really interesting aspect of the whole story. 186 00:10:31,120 --> 00:10:33,360 Speaker 2: It kind of adds another layer to it. We've got 187 00:10:33,640 --> 00:10:37,360 Speaker 2: Elizabeth Taylor, Margo Robbie buthering heights and now the net 188 00:10:37,440 --> 00:10:40,439 Speaker 2: Gala has entered the chat. Yeah, what happened there? 189 00:10:40,760 --> 00:10:44,720 Speaker 1: So Katier owns a necklace, I mean, Cartier has many, 190 00:10:44,760 --> 00:10:47,400 Speaker 1: many things in its collection. One of those pieces is 191 00:10:47,400 --> 00:10:50,560 Speaker 1: a necklace originally made for Bupinder Singh, who was the 192 00:10:50,600 --> 00:10:55,040 Speaker 1: Maharaja sort of ceremonial leader of the state of Patiala. 193 00:10:55,200 --> 00:10:58,280 Speaker 1: In nineteen twenty eight, the brand loaned a piece of 194 00:10:58,320 --> 00:11:02,200 Speaker 1: this necklace to the influencer Emma Chamberlain to where to 195 00:11:02,320 --> 00:11:06,080 Speaker 1: the twenty twenty two met Gala. Okay, and then in 196 00:11:06,120 --> 00:11:09,760 Speaker 1: twenty twenty five, The Times of India reported Katier had 197 00:11:09,800 --> 00:11:13,360 Speaker 1: denied a request to loan the original to Punjabi singer 198 00:11:13,559 --> 00:11:17,240 Speaker 1: dil Jit Do Sange for that year's event, citing quote 199 00:11:17,320 --> 00:11:18,920 Speaker 1: museum conditions. 200 00:11:19,000 --> 00:11:23,119 Speaker 2: Okay, so we've got another piece of jewelry of important 201 00:11:23,160 --> 00:11:27,600 Speaker 2: cultural significance heritage in India somehow ends up in the 202 00:11:27,640 --> 00:11:30,760 Speaker 2: hands of Katier, the famous Jewelry House. And now there's 203 00:11:30,800 --> 00:11:34,960 Speaker 2: this strange precedent where a white influencer was allowed to 204 00:11:35,080 --> 00:11:37,240 Speaker 2: access it for the met gala in twenty twenty two, 205 00:11:37,800 --> 00:11:41,680 Speaker 2: but a Punjabi singer was not allowed to access it 206 00:11:41,679 --> 00:11:43,560 Speaker 2: when they requested it just a few years later. 207 00:11:43,720 --> 00:11:45,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, according to reporting from the time. 208 00:11:46,200 --> 00:11:49,080 Speaker 2: Wow, Lucy, thank you so much for unpacking all of 209 00:11:49,120 --> 00:11:52,600 Speaker 2: that for us. So much history and some important context 210 00:11:52,679 --> 00:11:55,000 Speaker 2: for everyone to think about if they are going along 211 00:11:55,000 --> 00:11:57,240 Speaker 2: to see the movie or revisiting the book, or just 212 00:11:57,280 --> 00:12:00,640 Speaker 2: you know, following along with the Wuthering Heights hype in general. 213 00:12:00,800 --> 00:12:03,240 Speaker 2: Thank you for explaining that to us. Thanks Emma, thank 214 00:12:03,280 --> 00:12:05,960 Speaker 2: you for joining us for today's episode. We'll be back 215 00:12:06,000 --> 00:12:08,320 Speaker 2: with the headlines a little later on today. Until then, 216 00:12:08,360 --> 00:12:10,080 Speaker 2: have a good one. 217 00:12:13,160 --> 00:12:15,520 Speaker 1: My name is Lily Maddon and I'm a proud Arunda 218 00:12:15,720 --> 00:12:20,520 Speaker 1: Bungelung Calkatin woman from Gadighl country. 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