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Speaker 1: The Rise and Conquer Podcast acknowledges the traditional custodians of

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Speaker 1: to all Aboriginal and terrest Ride Islander peoples. Today. Hello

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Speaker 1: and welcome back to the Rise and Conquer Podcasts. This

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Speaker 1: is the podcast for ordinary people who want to do

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Speaker 1: extraordinary things. Hello and welcome back to the Rise and

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Speaker 1: Conquer Podcast. It is your host for Georgie Stephenson and

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Speaker 1: today I am joined by NH's brand ex Mel.

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Speaker 2: Hey guys, So.

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Speaker 1: Guys, today we are chatting koreer goals, how to land

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Speaker 1: your dream job and just excel in your career. If

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Speaker 1: you want to know about Regume's interviews, pay rises, you know,

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Speaker 1: getting that promotion and how to really stand out, this

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Speaker 1: is the episode for you.

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Speaker 3: We have a lot of fun and Mel is very direct.

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Speaker 1: She tells you how it is you guys are going

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Speaker 1: to be love this episode.

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Speaker 3: Let's get straight into it, all right, Mel, Let's get

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Speaker 3: straight into it.

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Speaker 1: Let's go right back to the beginning. But before we

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Speaker 1: answer the million dollar question of how you land your

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Speaker 1: dream job, can you just tell us a little bit

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Speaker 1: of a snapshot of who you are what you do

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Speaker 1: for those who don't know you. I feel like everyone

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Speaker 2: Sure.

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Speaker 4: So I am twenty six years old. But when I

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Speaker 4: first started working for Georgie, actually when I first met you,

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Speaker 4: I was only twenty one, so I think i'd been

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Speaker 4: out of UNI for four months.

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Speaker 2: Before our paths crossed.

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Speaker 4: And yeah, I started working for Georgie right back at

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Speaker 4: the start as her pr brand assistant, kind of helping you,

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Speaker 4: you know, work on your own projects, and together we

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Speaker 1: That's where I was at the moment, like crossroads of

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Speaker 1: I don't want to be so much an influencer, I

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Speaker 1: want to be an entrepreneur and Mel was a big

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Speaker 2: So that's kind of where we started.

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Speaker 4: And then, as you guys probably know, things kind of snowballed.

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Speaker 2: Georgie and Cooper wanted to.

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Speaker 4: Launch Naked Harvest, and then fast forward I think two

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so it was about two years.

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Speaker 4: Two years, yep, And I think for about a year there,

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Speaker 4: I was in all three businesses. I was in GS,

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Speaker 4: Collective Rise and Conker Podcasts and Naked Harvest, and then we.

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Speaker 4: It was much needed to move me over into Naked

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Speaker 4: Harvest full time and full circle. I'm twenty six years

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Speaker 3: Love. I know, I actually forgot that you were in

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Speaker 5: I know.

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Speaker 2: I named your podcast got You're so funny? Yeah right

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Speaker 2: back then?

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Speaker 1: Wow, amazing And Okay, well let's go from the start

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Speaker 1: because I feel like a lot of people listening they're like, amazing, Mel,

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Speaker 1: I want to be a mel.

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Speaker 3: How do we do it?

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Speaker 1: So let's actually chat about because I feel like how

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Speaker 2: A bit of a different story.

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Speaker 1: Yeah it's a bit different, but let's chat about first thing,

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Speaker 1: resumes and applications.

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Speaker 2: Cool.

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Speaker 4: So before i'd met Georgie, I was already in the industry.

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Speaker 4: I'd got the job just out of UNI, probably a

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Speaker 2: So resumes, guys, if your resume.

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Speaker 3: One hundred percent. Yeah, it's all about and also like wow.

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Speaker 3: So many, so many resumes. It's like I'm already bored

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Speaker 1: But I was like, this is this itch, like and

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Speaker 3: And you did something similar, didn't you with the video

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Speaker 4: So essentially I did not just apply for my roles

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Speaker 2: And this is a very key factor.

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Speaker 2: But I did show her what I was capable of.

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Speaker 4: You know, I had to show her. Okay, essentially, don't

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Speaker 4: So I pitched to them why I would be perfect

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Speaker 3: Oh my god, you know who else did this? Jamie

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Speaker 1: So Jamie sent me a video and that's definitely what

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Speaker 3: It's just it already shows me that you have initiative

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Speaker 4: So something else I'm going to say here is beyond

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Speaker 5: Do you have any tips specifically on how someone can

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Speaker 5: stand out in a cover letter? Because I find cover

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Speaker 5: actually read cover letters in What content are you looking

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Speaker 4: So I know that some employers cover letters are extremely

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Speaker 4: just say to whom this may concern, It's kind of

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Speaker 4: you don't know what an intern is, you're essentially an

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Speaker 4: an unpaid most often unpaid. You can get paid internships

447
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Speaker 4: depending on where you go, most of them are unpaid,

448
00:21:23,600 --> 00:21:25,560
Speaker 4: and you're essentially a fly on the wall in a

449
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Speaker 4: business and you are doing the shit work, but you

450
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Speaker 4: are learning from people around you who are in careers

451
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Speaker 4: that you want to be in.

452
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Speaker 2: So you have to be willing to do that, and

453
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Speaker 2: you have to be willing to work for free.

454
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Speaker 4: A lot of people in the early twenties, the idea

455
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Speaker 4: of working for free is just so not ideal. You know,

456
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Speaker 4: it's very daunting. It's very like, why should I do that?

457
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Speaker 1: You know, especially if you like live out of home. Yeah,

458
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Speaker 1: and it's hard, eventually.

459
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Speaker 2: It is quite It is so hard, but you know

460
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Speaker 2: I've done it.

461
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Speaker 4: I worked full time at my shitty little IgA job

462
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Speaker 4: while studying full time evening in my final year, So

463
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Speaker 4: that was where all your capstones got you. And then

464
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Speaker 4: I was doing an internship in the Gold Coast, so

465
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Speaker 4: I was commuting two days a week. It's manageable. It

466
00:22:13,000 --> 00:22:16,679
Speaker 4: is so hard, but it's manageable. But essentially you're right

467
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Speaker 4: at the beginning of your career, and in my opinion,

468
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Speaker 4: the things that you learn during internships are far more

469
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Speaker 4: valuable to you in.

470
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Speaker 2: The long run.

471
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Speaker 4: So remember you're an intern because you don't have that

472
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Speaker 4: much to offer yet, and that comes.

473
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Speaker 2: At a price, and the prices that you may not

474
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Speaker 2: get paid for a couple of months.

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Speaker 1: But I think, also, don't you agree, the start of

476
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Speaker 1: your career is just when you do this shit, the

477
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Speaker 1: grind and hustle, do the grunt work like it's kind

478
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Speaker 1: of the point. And I remember the exact same position

479
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Speaker 1: of doing my law degree, working in a law firm,

480
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Speaker 1: getting paid shit all, and then also having to do

481
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Speaker 1: like I used to do real estate on the site,

482
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Speaker 1: like showing homes on the weekend, like to pay rent,

483
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Speaker 1: and it's just like, you do what you got to do.

484
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Speaker 1: It's not glamorous, no, it's not amazing, but just think

485
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Speaker 1: this is the start and you'll get through it.

486
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Speaker 3: This is the grind.

487
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Speaker 4: Yeah, And I think going through this entire process. To

488
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Speaker 4: me at the start was I had a very clear vision,

489
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Speaker 4: right Like, I didn't want to settle for any just

490
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Speaker 4: any job, you know, like I really knew what I wanted,

491
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Speaker 4: and even though I didn't know exactly, that didn't manifest

492
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Speaker 4: exactly the way I thought it would because I had

493
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Speaker 4: no idea about you all influences, you know. It was

494
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Speaker 4: a bit that was you know, a bit different.

495
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Speaker 3: And also for like you were quite focused you wanted

496
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Speaker 3: to do PR.

497
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Speaker 4: Yes, yeah, but essentially I did know which area I

498
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Speaker 4: wanted to be in, and I made sure to do

499
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Speaker 4: what I needed to get into that specific role.

500
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Speaker 5: What was that role before you started working here?

501
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Speaker 3: What was your the dream job?

502
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Speaker 4: Yeah, I wanted to be in public relations. So I

503
00:23:50,400 --> 00:23:54,239
Speaker 4: essentially wanted to be a champion of brands and I

504
00:23:54,280 --> 00:23:58,760
Speaker 4: wanted to help promote and publicize them and build their brands,

505
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Speaker 4: which is in.

506
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Speaker 2: A nuts what I am doing right now.

507
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Speaker 4: PR comes in many different forms. You can do all

508
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Speaker 4: types of thing in public relations. It's a very well

509
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Speaker 4: rounded skill, I would say career. You can do anything

510
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Speaker 4: for events, social media, campaigns, brand management, brand reputation. You know,

511
00:24:15,440 --> 00:24:16,960
Speaker 4: like there's a lot of things you can do in

512
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Speaker 4: public relations, and.

513
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Speaker 2: I essentially still do all of them today.

514
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Speaker 4: I just don't do the traditional getting pressed for naked harvest.

515
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Speaker 3: We have other people to do that for us.

516
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Speaker 4: Now, everything else under the umbrella I pretty much do

517
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Speaker 4: now yep, which was my dream.

518
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Speaker 3: So live in Hope.

519
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Speaker 2: I'm doing it girlz.

520
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Speaker 3: All right, so amazing.

521
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Speaker 1: So basically, in conclusion with the resumes, put that little

522
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Speaker 1: bit more effort in. You want to wow the person,

523
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Speaker 1: you know, you want to wow show them that you

524
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Speaker 1: have what it takes to fulfill the role. And let's

525
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Speaker 1: also touch on the interview process because a big thing

526
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Speaker 1: I look for is not only is this person got

527
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Speaker 1: the qualifications and experience.

528
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Speaker 3: But it's like, we want to spend the day with

529
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Speaker 3: this person.

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Speaker 2: Exactly, Like how do they hold the room? And do

531
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Speaker 2: you vibe?

532
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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's honestly, you're huge.

533
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it really is.

534
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Speaker 1: If you think about it, you said, you spend your

535
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Speaker 1: majority of your day with this person, and if we

536
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Speaker 1: didn't like each other, I know, and then you've got

537
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Speaker 1: a fine, You've got a vibe.

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Speaker 3: So a huge thing with the interview is you've got

539
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Speaker 3: to suck it up.

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Speaker 1: You've got to be confident you've got to show that

541
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Speaker 1: you know, you can be an awesome person to be around.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know how else to say that.

543
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Speaker 4: Well, from like the employee perspective, you do have to

544
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Speaker 4: go in with a level of confidence that you can

545
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Speaker 4: kind of adapt with the room. You know, so you

546
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Speaker 4: are not every room that you go into for you know,

547
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Speaker 4: a job application is going to be the same.

548
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Speaker 2: You do have to read the room, and.

549
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Speaker 4: I don't know my kind of my tip is to

550
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Speaker 4: kind of study the business and the person before you

551
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Speaker 4: step in there.

552
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Speaker 3: Huge. I feel like we've had a couple of interviews

553
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Speaker 3: where you can.

554
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Speaker 4: Tell, you can so tell they have done their research

555
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Speaker 4: five minutes ago.

556
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Speaker 3: Yeah they can.

557
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Speaker 1: You can tell that they knew of naked harvests like

558
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Speaker 1: two minutes ago, and they have not done the research

559
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Speaker 1: compared to someone who you can tell.

560
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Speaker 4: Something that we always do in interviews is we we

561
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Speaker 4: will ask them direct questions that relate to this business

562
00:26:17,640 --> 00:26:21,159
Speaker 4: and it's it is to essentially test if you really

563
00:26:21,200 --> 00:26:23,320
Speaker 4: know us well or not. You know, what kind of

564
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Speaker 4: influences do you love that we work with. That means

565
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Speaker 4: that you have to be following our social media.

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Speaker 3: You have to be I.

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Speaker 1: Feel like we also ask questions about, for example, what

568
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Speaker 1: sort of influence This is obviously you know socials for

569
00:26:35,320 --> 00:26:38,600
Speaker 1: NH clearly, but it's like, what sort of influences do

570
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Speaker 1: you follow? And for instance, if you follow people.

571
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Speaker 3: I don't love, we're like that, not our people.

572
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Speaker 4: We have asked people as well, you know, like what

573
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Speaker 4: are your favorite health and fitness brands?

574
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and if they're saying you won't say.

575
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Speaker 4: But if we're saying people that we don't align with

576
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Speaker 4: and we think are a bit yeah, we that's a

577
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Speaker 4: red flag.

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Speaker 1: And also so if like the amount of people who

579
00:27:01,720 --> 00:27:05,159
Speaker 1: we've asked that and they don't mention naked Harvest, shock you, Like,

580
00:27:05,359 --> 00:27:06,119
Speaker 1: you guys are.

581
00:27:06,040 --> 00:27:09,639
Speaker 2: So silly, billy, here's our bums.

582
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Speaker 3: Like you've got to have a level of understanding. You

583
00:27:14,080 --> 00:27:16,800
Speaker 3: really do you work for it? You really really dot given?

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00:27:17,000 --> 00:27:20,440
Speaker 3: Yeah all right, I feel like we spent a great deal.

585
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Speaker 2: Of time, great deal of time.

586
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Speaker 1: But I think it is important because that is the

587
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Speaker 1: first step.

588
00:27:25,920 --> 00:27:28,400
Speaker 3: It's how you're going to get your foot in the door.

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00:27:29,160 --> 00:27:31,840
Speaker 1: Okay, well, let's kind of move on, mel and let's

590
00:27:31,920 --> 00:27:35,520
Speaker 1: chat about how you can really excel in your career,

591
00:27:35,560 --> 00:27:37,480
Speaker 1: because obviously this is something you have done.

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Speaker 3: Thanks.

593
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Speaker 1: I'm so glad you think that, and I think it

594
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Speaker 1: really shows from you, like you said, coming from an

595
00:27:47,720 --> 00:27:50,800
Speaker 1: entry level position and just working with me and my

596
00:27:50,880 --> 00:27:53,440
Speaker 1: business and us just working together and not really knowing

597
00:27:53,480 --> 00:27:56,439
Speaker 1: what the fuck's happening to now being you know the

598
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Speaker 1: head brand exact of Naked Harvest, and you you also

599
00:28:00,880 --> 00:28:05,199
Speaker 1: a huge thing, have like proven yourself every step of

600
00:28:05,280 --> 00:28:09,320
Speaker 1: the way, and obviously because you're so hardworking. Never met

601
00:28:09,320 --> 00:28:11,280
Speaker 1: someone as hardworking as Melodie's crossed.

602
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Speaker 3: Well, let's chat about so.

603
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Speaker 1: I feel like this is a bit of a like

604
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Speaker 1: a taboo question.

605
00:28:19,000 --> 00:28:21,040
Speaker 3: It is a little bit, but I really want to

606
00:28:21,080 --> 00:28:25,080
Speaker 3: get into it. Let's talk promotions.

607
00:28:25,200 --> 00:28:27,879
Speaker 2: All my promotions.

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Speaker 1: I think I've had three guys come down, Jamie wrote

609
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Speaker 1: in the notes, Mel to talk about what she does

610
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Speaker 1: in order.

611
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Speaker 2: To continuously get promotions.

612
00:28:38,720 --> 00:28:41,120
Speaker 1: Mel goes, I've had two promotions.

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Speaker 4: My last promotion was three years ago.

614
00:28:46,400 --> 00:28:49,480
Speaker 3: In Naked Harvest. And we're not begon titles. No, just

615
00:28:49,560 --> 00:28:53,280
Speaker 3: get the work done. I don't care. Well, let's talk

616
00:28:53,280 --> 00:28:56,720
Speaker 3: about promotions. Why don't we chat? Join me to go first?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I want to know what you look for in

618
00:28:59,120 --> 00:29:01,720
Speaker 4: an employee? Well, what you looked for in me in

619
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Speaker 4: order to justify promoting me.

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Speaker 1: So I feel like thinking back, even though your title

621
00:29:08,840 --> 00:29:11,800
Speaker 1: only recently changed. So do you want to just tell

622
00:29:11,840 --> 00:29:14,920
Speaker 1: them quickly what you called yourself before and then now?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, So, pretty much from the start of Naked Harvest,

624
00:29:18,200 --> 00:29:22,640
Speaker 4: I was the project and Communications manager, so I was

625
00:29:22,920 --> 00:29:26,240
Speaker 4: managing our entire communications strategy, which was my zone of genius.

626
00:29:26,240 --> 00:29:29,360
Speaker 4: That's what I studied, and was essentially responsible for managing

627
00:29:29,440 --> 00:29:31,280
Speaker 4: every big project in the company.

628
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Speaker 2: So in the first couple of.

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Speaker 4: Years, it was grind central and we had lots of

630
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Speaker 4: things happening.

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Speaker 2: So I wasn't just focused in marketing like I was

632
00:29:40,680 --> 00:29:45,080
Speaker 2: doing product development. I was doing you know, literally, that's

633
00:29:45,160 --> 00:29:48,240
Speaker 2: most facets of a business.

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Speaker 4: I was controlling with Jodgy and Couper, so I was

635
00:29:52,080 --> 00:29:55,560
Speaker 4: facilitating it all. And that's why we called my my

636
00:29:55,840 --> 00:29:58,400
Speaker 4: role the project and communications manager because there was no

637
00:29:58,480 --> 00:30:03,400
Speaker 4: real way to say manager of everything, all the hats.

638
00:30:03,080 --> 00:30:03,840
Speaker 2: All the hats.

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Speaker 1: And then so now you're the brand executive and in

640
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Speaker 1: a snapshot, what would.

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Speaker 4: You say that is so well, I essentially manage our

642
00:30:12,080 --> 00:30:15,960
Speaker 4: creative team. So I report to Georgie and Cooper. Everyone

643
00:30:15,960 --> 00:30:18,720
Speaker 4: else reports to me and I fundel it up. I

644
00:30:18,800 --> 00:30:22,000
Speaker 4: essentially manage the brand and marketing strategy for the company

645
00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:25,720
Speaker 4: and make sure that we are on track to achieving

646
00:30:25,840 --> 00:30:29,760
Speaker 4: all of our goals. I you know, host our quarterly meetings.

647
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Speaker 4: I make sure that our team are doing what they

648
00:30:32,000 --> 00:30:34,120
Speaker 4: need to do and that you know, they're comfortable and

649
00:30:34,160 --> 00:30:38,440
Speaker 4: succeeding in their roles too. So yeah, I'm essentially responsible

650
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Speaker 4: for helping they could harvest, grow and scale.

651
00:30:41,240 --> 00:30:41,640
Speaker 3: Yeah.

652
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Speaker 1: And yeah, like you said, like the creative side. Yeah, okay,

653
00:30:44,600 --> 00:30:47,040
Speaker 1: so that's kind of the difference. And I feel like

654
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Speaker 1: you were always doing that at start. It's just obviously

655
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Speaker 1: grown and it's on a.

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Speaker 2: And we have more people to help me do the hats,

657
00:30:53,000 --> 00:30:56,280
Speaker 2: so it's not just me anymore.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, So.

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Speaker 1: I feel like if we're talking pay rises and promotions,

660
00:31:02,840 --> 00:31:05,320
Speaker 1: let's just say them interchangeable right now.

661
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Speaker 3: So if I kind of think back, I feel like.

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Speaker 1: Every pay rise that you received, bar one, was me

663
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Speaker 1: and Cooper coming to you saying, Holicia, you've done such

664
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Speaker 1: a good job, here's a pay rise, or us going hey,

665
00:31:22,720 --> 00:31:26,200
Speaker 1: we've got you know something coming up like Black Friday

666
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Speaker 1: or a new product or what yacht if this target yeah,

667
00:31:30,240 --> 00:31:32,680
Speaker 1: here's a target. Once you achieve it, we want to

668
00:31:32,720 --> 00:31:35,320
Speaker 1: give you a pay rise. So we kind of worked

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00:31:35,440 --> 00:31:38,720
Speaker 1: more off that, like, I feel like you actually didn't

670
00:31:38,800 --> 00:31:40,920
Speaker 1: have to come to us for a pay rise bar

671
00:31:41,120 --> 00:31:49,080
Speaker 1: one time. And so Mel literally comes, she's like, I

672
00:31:50,840 --> 00:31:53,280
Speaker 1: literally thought to myself straight away, knew straight away he

673
00:31:53,400 --> 00:31:54,120
Speaker 1: was definitely.

674
00:31:53,880 --> 00:31:58,400
Speaker 3: Coming up to that mark. And Mel comes with a document.

675
00:31:58,560 --> 00:32:01,440
Speaker 1: She actually printed it off, so it wasn't even a

676
00:32:01,440 --> 00:32:05,640
Speaker 1: Google dog. She had printed off like a spreadsheet, vibe

677
00:32:06,160 --> 00:32:10,440
Speaker 1: of what you were doing, the new things that you

678
00:32:10,480 --> 00:32:14,320
Speaker 1: were doing, the new things that we were achieving, and

679
00:32:14,560 --> 00:32:18,120
Speaker 1: just basically from A to B the reason.

680
00:32:18,400 --> 00:32:19,760
Speaker 2: Why I deserved the promotion.

681
00:32:20,000 --> 00:32:23,200
Speaker 4: So essentially in this document, in this spreadsheet, you excited it.

682
00:32:23,280 --> 00:32:28,040
Speaker 4: I had, you know, written down essentially what my role

683
00:32:28,120 --> 00:32:31,160
Speaker 4: had looked like a year ago, about a year and

684
00:32:31,160 --> 00:32:33,400
Speaker 4: a half ago, which is when my last pay rise was,

685
00:32:33,760 --> 00:32:37,360
Speaker 4: and how it had progressed and changed to now, and

686
00:32:37,600 --> 00:32:41,920
Speaker 4: essentially showed you know, my key wins over that past year,

687
00:32:42,240 --> 00:32:46,240
Speaker 4: how my role had increased, how my workload had increased,

688
00:32:46,240 --> 00:32:46,880
Speaker 4: and how.

689
00:32:46,800 --> 00:32:48,760
Speaker 3: She had smashed her cape yes.

690
00:32:48,640 --> 00:32:52,800
Speaker 4: And basically how I that I had done everything possible

691
00:32:52,960 --> 00:32:55,320
Speaker 4: to get this promotion. And it was like, here's the proof,

692
00:32:55,640 --> 00:32:59,640
Speaker 4: let's chat, yes exactly, and like min Kooper really didn't

693
00:32:59,640 --> 00:33:01,960
Speaker 4: even need to look at the print out because you know,

694
00:33:02,120 --> 00:33:04,520
Speaker 4: we were going to give this promotion to her. But

695
00:33:04,880 --> 00:33:08,240
Speaker 4: I think at that level you could just tell that

696
00:33:08,320 --> 00:33:11,320
Speaker 4: you are so confident in it and also to be

697
00:33:11,360 --> 00:33:16,360
Speaker 4: completely honest, like as an employeer sometimes like I'm so

698
00:33:16,560 --> 00:33:19,720
Speaker 4: busy in my day and in my jobs.

699
00:33:19,520 --> 00:33:20,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, what do I do?

700
00:33:20,560 --> 00:33:22,920
Speaker 4: I know that her first thought is not, hey, mol

701
00:33:22,960 --> 00:33:25,360
Speaker 4: needs a pay rise, like she's got other shit to do.

702
00:33:25,480 --> 00:33:29,720
Speaker 1: You know, I'm really not thinking that, and so it

703
00:33:29,760 --> 00:33:33,120
Speaker 1: was really good to see that and going, oh shit, yeah, okay.

704
00:33:32,920 --> 00:33:34,840
Speaker 3: Your role really has progressed.

705
00:33:34,960 --> 00:33:37,840
Speaker 1: We've had these amazing wins in the business, you know,

706
00:33:38,040 --> 00:33:41,320
Speaker 1: one hundred percent, And you probably didn't need to go

707
00:33:41,400 --> 00:33:43,800
Speaker 1: to that extent, but it.

708
00:33:43,760 --> 00:33:47,320
Speaker 4: Was very like quite therapeutic for me from an employee

709
00:33:47,320 --> 00:33:49,280
Speaker 4: point of view as well though, to really sit and

710
00:33:49,280 --> 00:33:52,160
Speaker 4: reflect on just how much my career had done a

711
00:33:52,160 --> 00:33:55,479
Speaker 4: one eighty in that year as well, and really kind

712
00:33:55,520 --> 00:33:59,160
Speaker 4: of proved to myself, hey, I'm doing fucking amazing. These

713
00:33:59,160 --> 00:34:01,720
Speaker 4: are the results, these are our wins. Like, you know,

714
00:34:01,800 --> 00:34:03,600
Speaker 4: it was quite empowering.

715
00:34:03,200 --> 00:34:06,520
Speaker 1: Yes, and well, let's talk about this so because I

716
00:34:06,600 --> 00:34:07,560
Speaker 1: think I don't know.

717
00:34:07,880 --> 00:34:10,880
Speaker 3: I guess nowadays, especially.

718
00:34:10,480 --> 00:34:14,600
Speaker 1: Working in this sort of business where I honestly feel

719
00:34:14,640 --> 00:34:17,439
Speaker 1: like if you're not up to the job and you're

720
00:34:17,440 --> 00:34:19,560
Speaker 1: not bringing anything to the table, I.

721
00:34:19,480 --> 00:34:21,480
Speaker 3: Can find so much to replace you very easy. Yeah.

722
00:34:21,560 --> 00:34:22,799
Speaker 2: Do you competitive? For sure?

723
00:34:23,239 --> 00:34:25,040
Speaker 3: It's a competitive industry.

724
00:34:25,560 --> 00:34:28,600
Speaker 1: And also like I feel like this sort of company,

725
00:34:29,120 --> 00:34:30,600
Speaker 1: it's a fun place to work.

726
00:34:30,880 --> 00:34:33,200
Speaker 3: It's where you you know, it's where you want to work.

727
00:34:33,239 --> 00:34:37,080
Speaker 1: So I feel like that is such a key thing

728
00:34:37,320 --> 00:34:39,399
Speaker 1: that if you do feel like, you know, you want

729
00:34:39,400 --> 00:34:42,040
Speaker 1: to have a promotion, like that's what you need to

730
00:34:42,040 --> 00:34:42,399
Speaker 1: be doing.

731
00:34:42,480 --> 00:34:45,680
Speaker 4: Do you agree, Yeah, it's It's definitely a workplace where

732
00:34:46,239 --> 00:34:48,880
Speaker 4: you are at the top of your field.

733
00:34:49,360 --> 00:34:50,120
Speaker 2: Does that make sense?

734
00:34:50,160 --> 00:34:52,640
Speaker 4: Like you are, you are high performing?

735
00:34:52,880 --> 00:34:55,160
Speaker 1: Well, I guess more I'm talking about I feel like

736
00:34:55,200 --> 00:34:58,000
Speaker 1: in a lot of other jobs, it comes to the

737
00:34:58,080 --> 00:35:00,600
Speaker 1: twelfth month mark and people like, oh, I've been here

738
00:35:00,640 --> 00:35:03,279
Speaker 1: twelve months, I should get a pay rise, And I

739
00:35:03,360 --> 00:35:06,759
Speaker 1: just feel like the difference of you actually getting an

740
00:35:06,760 --> 00:35:10,239
Speaker 1: absolutely rise is what mel is saying. I think first

741
00:35:10,239 --> 00:35:14,560
Speaker 1: of all, it's about reflecting and going, Okay, what have

742
00:35:14,680 --> 00:35:18,160
Speaker 1: I brought to this table, how have I exceeded? Because

743
00:35:18,160 --> 00:35:21,479
Speaker 1: I think I think also, especially when you're a.

744
00:35:21,440 --> 00:35:24,680
Speaker 3: Startup business, it's like it's not like you.

745
00:35:24,760 --> 00:35:28,160
Speaker 4: Have the money to just fly around to anyone because

746
00:35:28,160 --> 00:35:30,600
Speaker 4: they've hit a year, you know, an anniversary.

747
00:35:30,680 --> 00:35:33,520
Speaker 1: It's very different to like a big corporation business where

748
00:35:33,520 --> 00:35:36,520
Speaker 1: they just have budget. Like I think, a startup business

749
00:35:36,600 --> 00:35:40,360
Speaker 1: you need to be proving yourself and really going above

750
00:35:40,360 --> 00:35:42,920
Speaker 1: and beyond. And for instance, if you do want a

751
00:35:42,960 --> 00:35:46,440
Speaker 1: promotion and you do reflect and you're like, okay, maybe

752
00:35:46,480 --> 00:35:51,839
Speaker 1: I've just been hitting my kpies not actually exceeding, then

753
00:35:51,920 --> 00:35:55,359
Speaker 1: sit down one then think how can I exceed these?

754
00:35:55,440 --> 00:35:57,839
Speaker 1: How can I go above and beyond in the next

755
00:35:57,880 --> 00:35:58,560
Speaker 1: couple of months.

756
00:35:58,680 --> 00:36:01,359
Speaker 2: When someone sets to you a KPI, that's your that's

757
00:36:01,360 --> 00:36:03,600
Speaker 2: your bare minimum of what you should be achieving.

758
00:36:03,600 --> 00:36:05,680
Speaker 4: That you're achieving that, it's like it's like you're doing

759
00:36:05,680 --> 00:36:07,520
Speaker 4: your job. You're doing what we pay you to do.

760
00:36:08,480 --> 00:36:10,160
Speaker 4: It's a little bit brutal, guys, I.

761
00:36:10,160 --> 00:36:13,200
Speaker 2: Understand, No, I understand.

762
00:36:13,320 --> 00:36:16,279
Speaker 4: But at the same time, if you if you want

763
00:36:16,280 --> 00:36:17,960
Speaker 4: that pay rise, you have to be willing to work

764
00:36:18,000 --> 00:36:20,840
Speaker 4: for it. Like these days, there are a lot of

765
00:36:20,880 --> 00:36:25,319
Speaker 4: people who just expect things because they show up to

766
00:36:25,360 --> 00:36:27,279
Speaker 4: work and they do their work and they go home,

767
00:36:27,360 --> 00:36:30,120
Speaker 4: whereas in reality, like that's not what your employee is.

768
00:36:30,239 --> 00:36:34,040
Speaker 4: An employer is looking for and they can often not

769
00:36:34,400 --> 00:36:37,719
Speaker 4: justify giving you an extensive pay rise. You know, if

770
00:36:37,760 --> 00:36:39,600
Speaker 4: you're looking for something like an extra two to five

771
00:36:39,680 --> 00:36:44,600
Speaker 4: K a year whatever, If you're wanting something substantial, you

772
00:36:44,760 --> 00:36:47,680
Speaker 4: need to make sure that you are doing substantial, like

773
00:36:47,760 --> 00:36:49,919
Speaker 4: you're putting in a substantial amount of effort and you're

774
00:36:50,040 --> 00:36:52,920
Speaker 4: what you're doing is in a roundabout way. What I'm

775
00:36:52,920 --> 00:36:56,399
Speaker 4: trying to say, tell it to us straight is you

776
00:36:56,440 --> 00:36:59,800
Speaker 4: need to essentially show Like say, for example, to Georgie,

777
00:36:59,840 --> 00:37:03,319
Speaker 4: I show her daily and it's a goal of mine

778
00:37:03,400 --> 00:37:05,919
Speaker 4: to make sure that I show her and Cooper.

779
00:37:06,160 --> 00:37:11,640
Speaker 2: You can't do it without me in a roundabout way

780
00:37:11,760 --> 00:37:12,360
Speaker 2: like no.

781
00:37:12,280 --> 00:37:13,440
Speaker 3: Actually that you cannot.

782
00:37:13,640 --> 00:37:18,320
Speaker 4: You cannot fill my role like I am. I am indispensable.

783
00:37:18,400 --> 00:37:19,400
Speaker 3: I'm irreplacable.

784
00:37:19,440 --> 00:37:23,760
Speaker 4: Yes, you can't replace me because I work so hard

785
00:37:24,080 --> 00:37:27,120
Speaker 4: and I do so much beyond what's expected.

786
00:37:27,600 --> 00:37:29,120
Speaker 2: I know that's a little bit like toxic.

787
00:37:31,239 --> 00:37:34,719
Speaker 1: But also when you're irreplaceable, you can ask for whatever.

788
00:37:34,920 --> 00:37:37,080
Speaker 3: Pay rise you want.

789
00:37:37,239 --> 00:37:40,800
Speaker 1: Come into my office and be like a million dollars.

790
00:37:41,120 --> 00:37:41,600
Speaker 2: I need you.

791
00:37:43,080 --> 00:37:45,560
Speaker 1: And I pulled him up and go, we need to

792
00:37:45,719 --> 00:37:46,360
Speaker 1: selling milk.

793
00:37:47,160 --> 00:37:48,680
Speaker 3: We need a movees.

794
00:37:49,280 --> 00:37:50,360
Speaker 2: We're kidding, We're kidding.

795
00:37:50,360 --> 00:37:51,359
Speaker 3: I would never do that.

796
00:37:51,960 --> 00:37:54,960
Speaker 4: No. The key here is that, like I want to

797
00:37:55,040 --> 00:37:57,600
Speaker 4: drive the Porsch, what I'm trying to say is to

798
00:37:57,600 --> 00:37:59,960
Speaker 4: get promotion, you need to be able to show them

799
00:38:00,239 --> 00:38:03,239
Speaker 4: that what you're doing is beneficial for them, like you

800
00:38:03,320 --> 00:38:06,839
Speaker 4: are helping them in some way. What you're doing is valuable.

801
00:38:07,120 --> 00:38:08,719
Speaker 4: That's what I'm trying to say. What you were doing

802
00:38:08,760 --> 00:38:11,280
Speaker 4: for the company is valuable. That is how you justify

803
00:38:11,760 --> 00:38:14,560
Speaker 4: a promotion or a pay rise, whatever you're looking for.

804
00:38:15,200 --> 00:38:17,759
Speaker 4: It needs to be earned, not expected.

805
00:38:18,360 --> 00:38:21,279
Speaker 1: And this is also a really big thing too, is

806
00:38:21,920 --> 00:38:23,200
Speaker 1: I'm all.

807
00:38:22,880 --> 00:38:25,239
Speaker 3: For you asking for the pay rise too.

808
00:38:25,320 --> 00:38:27,839
Speaker 1: That is quite important because they honestly didn't we say

809
00:38:27,880 --> 00:38:29,600
Speaker 1: to you when you came to us.

810
00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:32,080
Speaker 3: I was like, we've been waiting for this.

811
00:38:32,280 --> 00:38:35,160
Speaker 1: We wanted to see Mel do it to the table

812
00:38:35,200 --> 00:38:38,439
Speaker 1: because previously we had always gone to her. And it's

813
00:38:38,480 --> 00:38:41,040
Speaker 1: like almost like holding your own and like showing your

814
00:38:41,040 --> 00:38:46,560
Speaker 1: balls almost gross term, yeah, but kind of being like, hey,

815
00:38:47,120 --> 00:38:50,520
Speaker 1: I deserve this, and that's something I really respect.

816
00:38:50,120 --> 00:38:52,840
Speaker 4: And Also, if you are not confident enough to ask,

817
00:38:52,960 --> 00:38:55,439
Speaker 4: and you're waiting for them to ask you nine times

818
00:38:55,440 --> 00:38:57,959
Speaker 4: out of ten, it's because you know in your heart

819
00:38:58,120 --> 00:39:00,520
Speaker 4: you haven't put the work in, you don't deserve you

820
00:39:00,520 --> 00:39:03,680
Speaker 4: don't deserve it. If you can't ask, it means that

821
00:39:03,719 --> 00:39:05,799
Speaker 4: there is something stopping you from doing that, and it's

822
00:39:05,880 --> 00:39:10,359
Speaker 4: usually past inexperience, like because I really have only had

823
00:39:10,800 --> 00:39:12,600
Speaker 4: a couple like I really haven't.

824
00:39:12,680 --> 00:39:14,239
Speaker 2: It's not like I'm coming to you every six months

825
00:39:14,280 --> 00:39:16,600
Speaker 2: and going you need to pay me more, like I've

826
00:39:16,640 --> 00:39:18,600
Speaker 2: never done that. Actually I've never done that.

827
00:39:18,719 --> 00:39:19,399
Speaker 3: It's twelve months.

828
00:39:19,400 --> 00:39:21,080
Speaker 4: The fact that there has only been one time in

829
00:39:21,120 --> 00:39:23,799
Speaker 4: my entire five years working with you that I have

830
00:39:23,960 --> 00:39:26,400
Speaker 4: even asked for a pay rise, like it kind of

831
00:39:26,440 --> 00:39:27,319
Speaker 4: goes to show a lot.

832
00:39:27,640 --> 00:39:30,920
Speaker 1: Yeah well obviously, like let the record show you've had

833
00:39:31,000 --> 00:39:31,520
Speaker 1: pay rise.

834
00:39:31,640 --> 00:39:36,080
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah, I agreed.

835
00:39:36,120 --> 00:39:39,879
Speaker 1: And I think also that's another thing is if you're

836
00:39:40,000 --> 00:39:42,799
Speaker 1: in your career and you're like, hey, I'm kind of

837
00:39:42,840 --> 00:39:46,480
Speaker 1: ready for that next level, go to you know your

838
00:39:46,560 --> 00:39:50,160
Speaker 1: person and go, hey, what else could I be.

839
00:39:50,239 --> 00:39:52,640
Speaker 3: Doing to step up the bar after them?

840
00:39:53,320 --> 00:39:56,200
Speaker 4: Yes, if your boss is saying, well, no, I'm not

841
00:39:56,239 --> 00:39:57,960
Speaker 4: really willing to give you that pay rise, and if

842
00:39:57,960 --> 00:39:58,560
Speaker 4: you want it.

843
00:39:58,520 --> 00:40:00,520
Speaker 2: You ask what should I be doing? What do you

844
00:40:00,560 --> 00:40:03,319
Speaker 2: want to see from me? I'm even saying before one

845
00:40:03,400 --> 00:40:03,919
Speaker 2: hundred percent?

846
00:40:04,040 --> 00:40:07,920
Speaker 5: Yeah, have you ever had someone do it backwards in

847
00:40:07,920 --> 00:40:09,879
Speaker 5: the sense that they come to you and say, hey,

848
00:40:09,920 --> 00:40:12,319
Speaker 5: can we set milestone so that every time I hit

849
00:40:12,400 --> 00:40:15,279
Speaker 5: this milestone, I get X amount of No.

850
00:40:15,480 --> 00:40:17,480
Speaker 4: I feel like people aren't smart enough to know that,

851
00:40:17,520 --> 00:40:19,880
Speaker 4: and they should, Like, I think that's probably the awareness

852
00:40:19,880 --> 00:40:21,160
Speaker 4: we need to spread in this podcast.

853
00:40:21,320 --> 00:40:23,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, if I don't.

854
00:40:22,960 --> 00:40:26,080
Speaker 1: Feel like there has been a scenario where you know,

855
00:40:26,480 --> 00:40:30,920
Speaker 1: this person like may I can tell once a pay rise,

856
00:40:30,960 --> 00:40:33,560
Speaker 1: and so I have gone to them and say, hey,

857
00:40:34,120 --> 00:40:37,280
Speaker 1: these are KPIs. I need you to be hitting before

858
00:40:37,320 --> 00:40:39,360
Speaker 1: you get that pay rise. And I've given them a

859
00:40:39,480 --> 00:40:42,120
Speaker 1: chance to hit the KPIs. Yeah, and then the pay

860
00:40:42,200 --> 00:40:48,960
Speaker 1: rise is given. Yeah, that's correct. Yeah, And I think

861
00:40:49,040 --> 00:40:51,880
Speaker 1: but that's also huge thing, Like if you're you know,

862
00:40:52,400 --> 00:40:55,160
Speaker 1: lack basically in a position where you're like, fuck, I

863
00:40:55,160 --> 00:40:56,920
Speaker 1: really need to pay rise otherwise I want to get

864
00:40:56,920 --> 00:40:59,279
Speaker 1: another job, all this and that and whatnot. It's about

865
00:40:59,320 --> 00:41:02,279
Speaker 1: taking your niche and going to boss and going hey,

866
00:41:02,400 --> 00:41:04,160
Speaker 1: what do I need to do to get to that

867
00:41:04,200 --> 00:41:04,680
Speaker 1: next level.

868
00:41:04,680 --> 00:41:05,799
Speaker 3: I think that is huge.

869
00:41:06,000 --> 00:41:06,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, agreed.

870
00:41:06,920 --> 00:41:11,480
Speaker 3: So in conclusion, pay rises, Mel, what is your snapshot there?

871
00:41:12,239 --> 00:41:15,359
Speaker 4: Make sure that you are one hundred percent, like in

872
00:41:15,400 --> 00:41:17,279
Speaker 4: your heart, know that you've deserved it, You've put in

873
00:41:17,280 --> 00:41:19,319
Speaker 4: the work, and you can prove it. You can walk

874
00:41:19,360 --> 00:41:21,879
Speaker 4: into a room and you can say this is what

875
00:41:21,960 --> 00:41:24,280
Speaker 4: I want and this is why. And if you can't

876
00:41:24,280 --> 00:41:26,279
Speaker 4: say it, because I can guarantee if you're just gonna

877
00:41:26,280 --> 00:41:27,879
Speaker 4: walk in there and you're like, hey, my six months

878
00:41:27,920 --> 00:41:29,760
Speaker 4: is up, I'd like to talk about a pay rise

879
00:41:29,960 --> 00:41:32,399
Speaker 4: and they say, okay, tell me why. If you can't

880
00:41:32,440 --> 00:41:35,120
Speaker 4: answer that question, you don't deserve it. So you need

881
00:41:35,160 --> 00:41:37,879
Speaker 4: to think about what you need to do in order

882
00:41:37,920 --> 00:41:40,800
Speaker 4: to comfortably sit in a room and talk about something

883
00:41:40,840 --> 00:41:42,200
Speaker 4: as awkward as a pay rise.

884
00:41:42,360 --> 00:41:42,680
Speaker 3: Yeah.

885
00:41:42,719 --> 00:41:46,040
Speaker 1: And I think what Mel said about her, she made

886
00:41:46,080 --> 00:41:50,719
Speaker 1: herself irreplaceable, so she knew, like, you know, she was

887
00:41:50,760 --> 00:41:54,160
Speaker 1: deserving and whatnot. And guys, we're obviously talking about we're

888
00:41:54,160 --> 00:41:56,560
Speaker 1: really talking to our career gals here, like.

889
00:41:56,719 --> 00:41:59,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's obviously people who are very comfortable just cruising.

890
00:41:59,440 --> 00:42:02,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, and that and that's fine, And obviously a lot

891
00:42:02,280 --> 00:42:05,040
Speaker 1: of companies do just give pay rises after you know,

892
00:42:05,120 --> 00:42:06,360
Speaker 1: twelve months and whatnot.

893
00:42:06,400 --> 00:42:08,280
Speaker 3: But we're kind of talking about.

894
00:42:07,920 --> 00:42:12,080
Speaker 1: Like the creative industry, like when you're in a competitive

895
00:42:12,160 --> 00:42:15,879
Speaker 1: industry and you're like, you're going after your dream job. Yep,

896
00:42:15,920 --> 00:42:19,759
Speaker 1: that's more essentially yeah, yeah, okay, So let's also talk

897
00:42:19,880 --> 00:42:23,799
Speaker 1: about how do you stand out.

898
00:42:23,600 --> 00:42:24,200
Speaker 3: To your boss?

899
00:42:24,200 --> 00:42:26,120
Speaker 1: Like I feel like we've kind of touched on this

900
00:42:26,360 --> 00:42:28,799
Speaker 1: in regards to a lot of we've spoken about with

901
00:42:28,880 --> 00:42:32,840
Speaker 1: promotions and pay rises, But how would you say that,

902
00:42:33,520 --> 00:42:36,800
Speaker 1: you know, what makes a good employee, what makes you

903
00:42:36,840 --> 00:42:37,680
Speaker 1: stand out?

904
00:42:38,000 --> 00:42:41,319
Speaker 4: I'm probably going to just speak from my own perspective

905
00:42:41,440 --> 00:42:43,000
Speaker 4: in terms of what I do.

906
00:42:43,080 --> 00:42:45,120
Speaker 2: Please don't. How do you make your hand? How do

907
00:42:45,239 --> 00:42:47,240
Speaker 2: I stand out? Galies?

908
00:42:47,840 --> 00:42:49,960
Speaker 4: I think my number one thing that I know no

909
00:42:50,000 --> 00:42:51,960
Speaker 4: one else in the room can beat me on is

910
00:42:52,120 --> 00:42:56,279
Speaker 4: my ability to work hard, and like I can sit

911
00:42:56,360 --> 00:42:59,000
Speaker 4: in pretty much almost every room, and it's something that

912
00:42:59,080 --> 00:43:01,960
Speaker 4: I pried a lot in myself. It's my ability to

913
00:43:02,000 --> 00:43:04,640
Speaker 4: work hard and without complaint.

914
00:43:04,880 --> 00:43:07,719
Speaker 2: Like when shit is hard, you.

915
00:43:07,760 --> 00:43:09,719
Speaker 4: Suck it up and you do it. You don't just

916
00:43:09,719 --> 00:43:11,920
Speaker 4: sit there and go, well, I can't get this done.

917
00:43:11,719 --> 00:43:13,560
Speaker 2: Because this deadline is too hard.

918
00:43:13,480 --> 00:43:15,360
Speaker 4: Or I can't get this done because I don't know

919
00:43:15,400 --> 00:43:18,600
Speaker 4: how to do this. That's a that's a problem. And

920
00:43:18,960 --> 00:43:21,719
Speaker 4: I will find solutions for pretty much all of those problems,

921
00:43:21,760 --> 00:43:23,400
Speaker 4: and I'll do it with a smile on my face.

922
00:43:23,480 --> 00:43:26,080
Speaker 4: That is the number one thing that I make sure

923
00:43:26,120 --> 00:43:28,239
Speaker 4: that I do. But I also make sure that I

924
00:43:28,320 --> 00:43:31,200
Speaker 4: rub that off on the team around me, like where

925
00:43:31,239 --> 00:43:34,440
Speaker 4: we work together and we work hard, and that is

926
00:43:34,600 --> 00:43:36,840
Speaker 4: just I feel like that's the number one That's the.

927
00:43:36,880 --> 00:43:39,000
Speaker 2: Number one thing that you think I would probably stand

928
00:43:39,040 --> 00:43:39,359
Speaker 2: out on.

929
00:43:39,400 --> 00:43:42,440
Speaker 1: Right a hundred hard work ethic, But yeah, I think

930
00:43:42,480 --> 00:43:46,480
Speaker 1: the work ethic and the determination, Like I think, especially

931
00:43:47,000 --> 00:43:50,400
Speaker 1: in a startup business, because you don't have budget, because

932
00:43:50,440 --> 00:43:54,760
Speaker 1: you don't have a lot of you know, help, Yeah,

933
00:43:54,840 --> 00:43:57,120
Speaker 1: I know, I help, you almost have to just like

934
00:43:57,239 --> 00:44:01,560
Speaker 1: be scrappy and do what you can so make it work.

935
00:44:02,080 --> 00:44:04,040
Speaker 4: Something I think I want to touch on here that

936
00:44:04,360 --> 00:44:08,200
Speaker 4: you've just reminded me of is say, for example, at

937
00:44:08,200 --> 00:44:10,600
Speaker 4: the beginning of Naked Harvest, Yeah, I think I was.

938
00:44:10,760 --> 00:44:12,719
Speaker 4: So I would have been twenty two at the time.

939
00:44:12,880 --> 00:44:15,319
Speaker 4: You were like, what twenty you're two years older than me. Hey,

940
00:44:15,360 --> 00:44:18,400
Speaker 4: you were twenty four, Cooper twenty six, we were very young,

941
00:44:18,520 --> 00:44:22,839
Speaker 4: still right, and I was at the very starting stages.

942
00:44:22,480 --> 00:44:24,920
Speaker 2: Of really learning anything.

943
00:44:24,960 --> 00:44:28,239
Speaker 4: Anything, like I was absolutely yeah, like I was right

944
00:44:28,280 --> 00:44:32,399
Speaker 4: at the start. And two I didn't have anyone who

945
00:44:32,440 --> 00:44:35,160
Speaker 4: knew more than me to show me how to do things.

946
00:44:35,200 --> 00:44:35,600
Speaker 2: Okay.

947
00:44:35,760 --> 00:44:39,560
Speaker 4: So the main thing that I kind of carry with

948
00:44:39,640 --> 00:44:42,040
Speaker 4: me now, and it's probably the reason I have been

949
00:44:42,080 --> 00:44:44,040
Speaker 4: able to make it to where I am, especially at

950
00:44:44,040 --> 00:44:44,879
Speaker 4: my age.

951
00:44:44,800 --> 00:44:47,960
Speaker 2: Is I don't know how to say this, like I learned.

952
00:44:48,120 --> 00:44:49,880
Speaker 2: I learned how to do it all myself.

953
00:44:49,880 --> 00:44:50,560
Speaker 3: You teach yourself.

954
00:44:50,760 --> 00:44:52,560
Speaker 2: I taught myself so much.

955
00:44:52,680 --> 00:44:53,520
Speaker 3: Got a great example.

956
00:44:53,560 --> 00:44:57,640
Speaker 1: So for instance, I can't actually remember the exact platform,

957
00:44:57,960 --> 00:44:58,960
Speaker 1: let's just use Clavio.

958
00:44:59,120 --> 00:45:00,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, so four D Mel.

959
00:45:00,800 --> 00:45:04,920
Speaker 1: Has obviously, like previous to now has no experience in Clavio.

960
00:45:05,120 --> 00:45:07,160
Speaker 1: We started working with Clavio, which is just.

961
00:45:07,120 --> 00:45:08,120
Speaker 3: An email system.

962
00:45:08,760 --> 00:45:11,799
Speaker 1: And so Mel, I know, she did this not in

963
00:45:12,200 --> 00:45:15,000
Speaker 1: you know, work hours, she was getting paid, but she

964
00:45:15,200 --> 00:45:19,400
Speaker 1: would go and read blocks and do research and teach

965
00:45:19,440 --> 00:45:23,279
Speaker 1: herself in Clavio. We we did have, like you know,

966
00:45:23,320 --> 00:45:26,359
Speaker 1: we were outsourcing some of it, so there was help

967
00:45:26,520 --> 00:45:29,720
Speaker 1: in that regards, but Mel would in her own time

968
00:45:30,120 --> 00:45:35,279
Speaker 1: up skilled absolutely learn about the platform and basically just

969
00:45:35,480 --> 00:45:38,480
Speaker 1: like do what she needed to do in order to

970
00:45:38,560 --> 00:45:39,040
Speaker 1: get the.

971
00:45:39,120 --> 00:45:41,600
Speaker 3: Job done, rather than sit there and go, I don't

972
00:45:41,640 --> 00:45:42,000
Speaker 3: know how to.

973
00:45:42,000 --> 00:45:43,880
Speaker 2: Use my hands are tired, I don't know how to

974
00:45:43,920 --> 00:45:44,160
Speaker 2: do this.

975
00:45:44,360 --> 00:45:46,720
Speaker 3: Sorry, this as a platform I've never used before.

976
00:45:46,800 --> 00:45:49,359
Speaker 4: Yeah, but that that has happened so many times. Like

977
00:45:49,400 --> 00:45:53,319
Speaker 4: that's just one example of probably fifty recently that you

978
00:45:53,520 --> 00:45:55,359
Speaker 4: I haven't known how to do something and.

979
00:45:55,280 --> 00:45:56,200
Speaker 2: I figure it out.

980
00:45:56,320 --> 00:45:56,600
Speaker 3: Yeah.

981
00:45:56,760 --> 00:45:59,520
Speaker 2: I have like very big determination and.

982
00:45:59,560 --> 00:46:05,040
Speaker 1: My personality, which is probably the reason reason why Mel.

983
00:46:05,000 --> 00:46:07,319
Speaker 3: Has done it a bit. I say to me, hey, Mel,

984
00:46:07,440 --> 00:46:08,520
Speaker 3: I want this thing done.

985
00:46:08,719 --> 00:46:10,520
Speaker 1: I don't know how to do it. She doesn't know

986
00:46:10,520 --> 00:46:12,839
Speaker 1: how to do it, and I just say figure it out.

987
00:46:13,000 --> 00:46:14,960
Speaker 1: I'll literally say figure it out, and I need this

988
00:46:15,000 --> 00:46:15,840
Speaker 1: stune by Wednesday.

989
00:46:16,080 --> 00:46:19,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I'm good. I'm good at working like that.

990
00:46:19,200 --> 00:46:22,080
Speaker 1: I don't just you know, for an instance, if she

991
00:46:22,120 --> 00:46:24,000
Speaker 1: would have turned around and been like, but I don't

992
00:46:24,000 --> 00:46:26,280
Speaker 1: know how to use this, but you know, blah blah.

993
00:46:26,880 --> 00:46:28,880
Speaker 3: You know, there's no way you'd be the brand executive.

994
00:46:29,000 --> 00:46:29,319
Speaker 2: No way.

995
00:46:29,880 --> 00:46:32,439
Speaker 4: But that's also a skill that I look for in

996
00:46:32,480 --> 00:46:34,920
Speaker 4: the team. It is actually really hard to find. So

997
00:46:35,000 --> 00:46:38,239
Speaker 4: I do tend to ask questions that provoke kind of

998
00:46:38,440 --> 00:46:40,880
Speaker 4: answers that show me that you have the initiative.

999
00:46:40,960 --> 00:46:43,319
Speaker 3: So pretitiative, Yeah, pretty much your word.

1000
00:46:43,480 --> 00:46:47,080
Speaker 4: It all comes down to initiative and the ability to

1001
00:46:47,480 --> 00:46:51,080
Speaker 4: upskill and learn and do better than what you're currently doing.

1002
00:46:51,239 --> 00:46:53,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's I actually have a great example in my

1003
00:46:53,719 --> 00:46:58,319
Speaker 1: previous role where we so I did family law and

1004
00:46:59,080 --> 00:47:02,400
Speaker 1: we we're just doing kind of cases like you know,

1005
00:47:02,880 --> 00:47:07,240
Speaker 1: parents breaking up, divorces, families, you know, kid arrangements, whatnot.

1006
00:47:07,719 --> 00:47:10,839
Speaker 1: We randomly got a contract from the government where we

1007
00:47:10,920 --> 00:47:14,680
Speaker 1: started doing international family law. So we were doing it's

1008
00:47:14,680 --> 00:47:16,879
Speaker 1: called the Hague Convention and it's like where you can

1009
00:47:16,960 --> 00:47:19,839
Speaker 1: like get a child back if it's gone overseas without

1010
00:47:19,880 --> 00:47:22,319
Speaker 1: the parent and blah blah blah. Me and like the

1011
00:47:22,320 --> 00:47:26,680
Speaker 1: top lawyer had fucking no idea, but accepted this contract.

1012
00:47:27,239 --> 00:47:30,000
Speaker 1: And so what I used to do in my spare time,

1013
00:47:30,080 --> 00:47:32,719
Speaker 1: not in work hours, was go and research the Hague

1014
00:47:32,719 --> 00:47:35,000
Speaker 1: Convention because I had no idea and we had just

1015
00:47:35,040 --> 00:47:37,840
Speaker 1: taken this contract and there's no time for me to

1016
00:47:37,920 --> 00:47:41,440
Speaker 1: just sit there and you know, not absolutely And so

1017
00:47:41,760 --> 00:47:44,840
Speaker 1: one hundred percent if you want to succeed in your career,

1018
00:47:45,120 --> 00:47:47,279
Speaker 1: that is like one of the number one.

1019
00:47:47,040 --> 00:47:50,359
Speaker 4: Skills you need to possess yeah, easily. And also because

1020
00:47:50,360 --> 00:47:52,680
Speaker 4: there's always someone. I feel like there's always someone who

1021
00:47:52,680 --> 00:47:55,680
Speaker 4: will possess that skill and just fly past you.

1022
00:47:55,880 --> 00:47:56,120
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1023
00:47:56,160 --> 00:47:59,440
Speaker 1: And I think a big thing that kind of is

1024
00:47:59,480 --> 00:48:02,120
Speaker 1: in my thoughts right now is.

1025
00:48:02,480 --> 00:48:05,239
Speaker 3: Seeing that person because it's it's not so.

1026
00:48:05,280 --> 00:48:07,680
Speaker 1: Much like I want to see you work for free

1027
00:48:08,040 --> 00:48:09,720
Speaker 1: or I want to see you stay.

1028
00:48:09,600 --> 00:48:12,759
Speaker 4: Yeah toxically work hard and work over time, and that's

1029
00:48:12,800 --> 00:48:13,640
Speaker 4: not what it's about.

1030
00:48:13,640 --> 00:48:14,520
Speaker 3: It's not about that.

1031
00:48:14,600 --> 00:48:19,200
Speaker 1: But for instance, you know, doing upskilling in your own

1032
00:48:19,320 --> 00:48:21,120
Speaker 1: time is huge.

1033
00:48:21,520 --> 00:48:22,240
Speaker 3: That is such.

1034
00:48:22,440 --> 00:48:25,239
Speaker 1: That's the difference between you getting a promotion or not,

1035
00:48:26,160 --> 00:48:28,600
Speaker 1: or that's the difference between you getting the job or not.

1036
00:48:28,880 --> 00:48:31,000
Speaker 4: That's that's also the difference between someone who's good at

1037
00:48:31,000 --> 00:48:32,120
Speaker 4: their job and someone who's.

1038
00:48:31,920 --> 00:48:32,799
Speaker 2: Great at their job.

1039
00:48:33,280 --> 00:48:37,040
Speaker 4: Yes, that's very that's literally fundamentals. That's why because I'm

1040
00:48:37,040 --> 00:48:40,719
Speaker 4: like such an overachiever, like it's hurts really really are

1041
00:48:41,800 --> 00:48:44,760
Speaker 4: but truly, like I often think that the difference between

1042
00:48:44,760 --> 00:48:48,040
Speaker 4: good and great is honestly your ability to knuckle down

1043
00:48:48,320 --> 00:48:50,960
Speaker 4: and do things that other people aren't willing to do,

1044
00:48:51,200 --> 00:48:53,719
Speaker 4: learn the things that you don't know, try harder, and

1045
00:48:53,760 --> 00:48:55,200
Speaker 4: work harder than everyone else in the room.

1046
00:48:55,520 --> 00:48:57,080
Speaker 3: Go yeah, go above and beyond?

1047
00:48:57,719 --> 00:48:58,160
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1048
00:48:58,200 --> 00:49:01,600
Speaker 5: What drives you to work so insanely hard?

1049
00:49:02,760 --> 00:49:07,200
Speaker 3: Surely childish? I have them too.

1050
00:49:09,320 --> 00:49:13,120
Speaker 4: I'm pretty sure this whole officism, look, I think it

1051
00:49:13,160 --> 00:49:15,640
Speaker 4: can boil down to a couple of reasons. Number one,

1052
00:49:15,680 --> 00:49:17,759
Speaker 4: my dad is a very hard working man and he

1053
00:49:17,920 --> 00:49:20,319
Speaker 4: values hard work immensely and that has rubbed off on

1054
00:49:20,360 --> 00:49:21,680
Speaker 4: me from the moment I could talk.

1055
00:49:22,200 --> 00:49:25,120
Speaker 2: But apart from that, but your career driven one hundred.

1056
00:49:25,719 --> 00:49:28,560
Speaker 1: There are very few things I want straordinary things, correct.

1057
00:49:28,640 --> 00:49:31,839
Speaker 4: I don't want to just do average things. I want

1058
00:49:31,880 --> 00:49:33,799
Speaker 4: to be incredible at.

1059
00:49:33,680 --> 00:49:34,200
Speaker 2: What I do.

1060
00:49:34,280 --> 00:49:37,640
Speaker 4: Like before this, I before this career, like I was

1061
00:49:37,719 --> 00:49:39,200
Speaker 4: kind of the same, but I was a swimmer, So

1062
00:49:39,239 --> 00:49:43,880
Speaker 4: like in school I was a very good athletic swimmer,

1063
00:49:44,160 --> 00:49:47,680
Speaker 4: and you know, I was competing at nationals and Olympic

1064
00:49:47,719 --> 00:49:50,400
Speaker 4: trials even before I gave it up for UNI. But like,

1065
00:49:50,600 --> 00:49:53,120
Speaker 4: very driven in that aspect of my life. And then

1066
00:49:53,120 --> 00:49:55,879
Speaker 4: I've just transferred that. I've just funneled that energy into

1067
00:49:55,920 --> 00:49:58,719
Speaker 4: something else, something that I love. And it does help

1068
00:49:58,800 --> 00:50:00,920
Speaker 4: when you're doing something that you've put your heart and

1069
00:50:00,960 --> 00:50:02,760
Speaker 4: soul into and you just cannot see you fail.

1070
00:50:02,960 --> 00:50:06,120
Speaker 3: So does that Well, that's actually like a huge thing.

1071
00:50:06,239 --> 00:50:10,080
Speaker 1: Like do you think you would be able to work

1072
00:50:10,120 --> 00:50:13,440
Speaker 1: this hard and do what you've done if you didn't

1073
00:50:13,600 --> 00:50:16,120
Speaker 1: believe in the brand what you're working for?

1074
00:50:16,600 --> 00:50:19,280
Speaker 4: No, But in saying that, like, my attitude is pretty

1075
00:50:19,320 --> 00:50:22,040
Speaker 4: much the same wherever I go. I remember at IgA,

1076
00:50:22,360 --> 00:50:26,640
Speaker 4: everyone knew me as the person who worked fucking hard.

1077
00:50:26,600 --> 00:50:27,440
Speaker 2: As I had that.

1078
00:50:27,680 --> 00:50:31,840
Speaker 4: I'm so sad, but I had that, Like that is

1079
00:50:31,880 --> 00:50:34,800
Speaker 4: what people have always said about me as a person.

1080
00:50:35,440 --> 00:50:38,200
Speaker 4: No matter what I'm doing, It's just natural to me.

1081
00:50:38,520 --> 00:50:40,520
Speaker 4: I just work really hard at what I do, and

1082
00:50:40,560 --> 00:50:45,200
Speaker 4: I like succeeding, and I like, you know, working hard.

1083
00:50:47,080 --> 00:50:48,479
Speaker 3: I don't know what else to tell you.

1084
00:50:49,960 --> 00:50:53,600
Speaker 1: Weird, Okay, So I feel like we've gone over the

1085
00:50:53,640 --> 00:50:57,839
Speaker 1: interview questions. We've gone over how to stand out, how

1086
00:50:57,840 --> 00:51:00,680
Speaker 1: to ask for you know, a pay rise, a promotion.

1087
00:51:01,480 --> 00:51:04,000
Speaker 1: Is there anything else that you want to touch on on?

1088
00:51:04,200 --> 00:51:07,279
Speaker 1: What you would say to the RNC fam if they

1089
00:51:07,480 --> 00:51:09,880
Speaker 1: are a career driven gal.

1090
00:51:10,080 --> 00:51:13,839
Speaker 4: If you know what you want, that is where your

1091
00:51:14,000 --> 00:51:18,000
Speaker 4: energetic focus should go. Like, I wouldn't bother too much

1092
00:51:18,160 --> 00:51:22,239
Speaker 4: with applying for fifty different job roles if half of

1093
00:51:22,239 --> 00:51:24,680
Speaker 4: those are not even remotely close to what you want,

1094
00:51:24,760 --> 00:51:28,239
Speaker 4: because the energy you spend applying for those means that

1095
00:51:28,239 --> 00:51:30,520
Speaker 4: there's less energy that you can put into other roles

1096
00:51:30,800 --> 00:51:32,520
Speaker 4: and be your hearts and souls not going to be

1097
00:51:32,600 --> 00:51:34,279
Speaker 4: in it. So say, for example, I remember there was

1098
00:51:34,320 --> 00:51:36,000
Speaker 4: this one role that I applied for that I just

1099
00:51:36,040 --> 00:51:37,640
Speaker 4: really didn't want, but I was like, fuck it, I'll

1100
00:51:37,640 --> 00:51:41,080
Speaker 4: apply for it anyway and straightway. When I walked into

1101
00:51:41,080 --> 00:51:43,840
Speaker 4: that office, into that interview room, I knew in my

1102
00:51:44,000 --> 00:51:47,440
Speaker 4: gut it was not for me. And so that interview

1103
00:51:47,560 --> 00:51:50,160
Speaker 4: was kind of a fail. Like I just I didn't

1104
00:51:50,200 --> 00:51:52,120
Speaker 4: care about it. I instantly knew it wasn't for me,

1105
00:51:52,480 --> 00:51:54,200
Speaker 4: and it was a waste of time when I could

1106
00:51:54,200 --> 00:51:58,480
Speaker 4: have spent that time energetically putting it into my portfolio

1107
00:51:58,960 --> 00:52:02,640
Speaker 4: or leveling up my you know, pitch video.

1108
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Speaker 2: Doing X Y Z like I just feel like.

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Speaker 4: And the horrible thing is if you're applying for all

1110
00:52:08,360 --> 00:52:10,120
Speaker 4: these jobs, and you're applying for these jobs you don't want,

1111
00:52:10,120 --> 00:52:12,200
Speaker 4: there is a risk of you accidentally getting that job

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00:52:12,600 --> 00:52:14,719
Speaker 4: and then you're stuck in a job that you don't want,

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Speaker 4: and that would be like my worst fear. And you know,

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00:52:20,800 --> 00:52:25,600
Speaker 4: not everyone's cool enough to the job. You know, Like,

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Speaker 4: I'm a very firm believer, Georgie. Know this is something

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Speaker 4: that you and I both really lean heavily into. And

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Speaker 4: it is like your energetic purpose and your your vibrational frequency,

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00:52:35,160 --> 00:52:38,240
Speaker 4: and you need to be vibrating on the frequency of

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Speaker 4: the things.

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Speaker 2: That you want, and that is what you go for.

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Speaker 4: Like, for example, straight out of UNI, I knew exactly

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00:52:45,040 --> 00:52:46,440
Speaker 4: the type of role I wanted.

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Speaker 2: I knew what I wanted it to be. I knew

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Speaker 2: how I wanted to feel in that role and look

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Speaker 2: in that role, and what I wanted to achieve in

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Speaker 2: that role. And I managed to.

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Speaker 4: Do it because I had a very clear vision on

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Speaker 4: what I wanted that to look like.

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Speaker 1: I love that can I also just quickly touch on

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00:53:01,760 --> 00:53:04,560
Speaker 1: a story. This is I think this is going back

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00:53:04,640 --> 00:53:07,200
Speaker 1: because I feel like when you were chatting about like

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Speaker 1: the interview process and like resumes, obviously you need to.

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Speaker 3: Have the experience and you need to be able to

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Speaker 3: go after that role.

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00:53:14,760 --> 00:53:17,759
Speaker 1: But I'm gonna just put a splinter in there and

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00:53:17,920 --> 00:53:20,239
Speaker 1: just say a splinter you guys know what I mean?

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Speaker 2: Guys, I do not what are you trying to say?

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00:53:25,440 --> 00:53:28,520
Speaker 2: I was gonna throw a spanner in the work banner, that's.

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Speaker 3: What it's gonna say.

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00:53:29,160 --> 00:53:31,720
Speaker 1: Okay, I'm just gonna throw a spanner in the works

1141
00:53:31,760 --> 00:53:35,400
Speaker 1: and say so. For when I got my law job,

1142
00:53:35,520 --> 00:53:38,839
Speaker 1: my law gradual straight after UNI, actually was still in UNI.

1143
00:53:39,120 --> 00:53:43,400
Speaker 1: So the requirement was to have a certain op to

1144
00:53:43,480 --> 00:53:45,759
Speaker 1: get this job, which I not op.

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00:53:46,000 --> 00:53:48,680
Speaker 3: Sorry, a GPA, which I did not have.

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Speaker 1: I think I was a couple like I was bit down,

1147
00:53:53,840 --> 00:53:57,960
Speaker 1: but I still went for the job and got the job.

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00:53:58,280 --> 00:54:02,040
Speaker 1: And I asked my boss after and was like, did

1149
00:54:02,080 --> 00:54:04,400
Speaker 1: you not know that I had like a lower GPA?

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00:54:04,440 --> 00:54:08,120
Speaker 1: Blah blah blah, And he said the way I held

1151
00:54:08,200 --> 00:54:12,799
Speaker 1: myself in the interview and the way that because he said,

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Speaker 1: a big thing about family law is making sure you know,

1153
00:54:16,840 --> 00:54:19,520
Speaker 1: like you've got to obviously be able to do you know,

1154
00:54:19,560 --> 00:54:22,520
Speaker 1: look up case law and apply case law and blah

1155
00:54:22,520 --> 00:54:25,160
Speaker 1: blah blah, which he's like, I knew I could always

1156
00:54:25,160 --> 00:54:28,400
Speaker 1: teach you, and your GPA wasn't fucking that bad. But

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00:54:28,560 --> 00:54:31,200
Speaker 1: he said a huge thing is being able to talk

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Speaker 1: to clients, being able to make clients feel a certain way.

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00:54:35,280 --> 00:54:37,200
Speaker 1: And obviously I got in there and he could tell

1160
00:54:37,280 --> 00:54:40,319
Speaker 1: straight away that he called me charasmic.

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00:54:40,360 --> 00:54:41,960
Speaker 2: Oh, yeah, you're someone that people want to talk to.

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00:54:42,160 --> 00:54:46,239
Speaker 4: Yeah, you are charismatic.

1163
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Speaker 2: What's the word charismatic?

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00:54:50,400 --> 00:54:54,160
Speaker 1: Charismatic said, I was very charismatic and could talk to

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00:54:54,200 --> 00:54:57,080
Speaker 1: people and make them feel a certain which is huge

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00:54:57,120 --> 00:55:00,719
Speaker 1: in family law where it's very emotional. And so that's

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00:55:00,760 --> 00:55:04,520
Speaker 1: a big thing is if you're maybe lacking in certain areas,

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00:55:04,600 --> 00:55:07,960
Speaker 1: it's like where can you pull your zone of genius

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00:55:08,040 --> 00:55:10,560
Speaker 1: and what you really bring to the table and really

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00:55:11,160 --> 00:55:11,520
Speaker 1: show that?

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Speaker 3: And I did.

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Speaker 1: I remember in the interview, I really prepped about holding

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Speaker 1: myself in a certain way and before the interview very

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00:55:19,880 --> 00:55:23,040
Speaker 1: much like visualized. Like you just said, I was so

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Speaker 1: clear that I wanted to, you know, work in this

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Speaker 1: law firm and I want to get film. Yep, you

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00:55:29,160 --> 00:55:33,520
Speaker 1: vibrated at that frequency in the interview. So true, so true,

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Speaker 1: and like just as a little you know, confidence boost

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00:55:38,080 --> 00:55:40,799
Speaker 1: at the end. People don't often choose the smartest person

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Speaker 1: in the room with the best resume.

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Speaker 2: No, it's not that's not really the case. You might

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Speaker 2: get the interview, Yeah, you might get an interview.

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Speaker 4: Not sure if you get the job, you know you

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00:55:50,440 --> 00:55:52,240
Speaker 4: have to you have to not just be the smartest

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00:55:52,239 --> 00:55:53,960
Speaker 4: person in the room. You have to hold yourself a

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00:55:53,960 --> 00:55:56,480
Speaker 4: certain way, you have to have the qualities as a

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Speaker 4: person that they want.

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Speaker 2: You get a possessed well.

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Speaker 1: I think that's why doing research into the company and

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00:56:04,719 --> 00:56:08,080
Speaker 1: like where you want to work and their values.

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Speaker 3: I think that's why that's so huge.

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00:56:10,080 --> 00:56:12,399
Speaker 5: Even the way you dress for the interview, I find

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00:56:12,440 --> 00:56:15,160
Speaker 5: it is so important and shows how much research you've done,

1194
00:56:15,239 --> 00:56:17,920
Speaker 5: because if you say, came to a workplace like this

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00:56:18,480 --> 00:56:21,680
Speaker 5: wearing like a corporate suit, corporate.

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00:56:23,680 --> 00:56:23,799
Speaker 2: No.

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00:56:23,920 --> 00:56:27,840
Speaker 1: I literally had that happened with interviews for your and

1198
00:56:27,880 --> 00:56:30,800
Speaker 1: then a tear like all this like check your dress,

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Speaker 1: a big pink bow, and everyone was like obsessed with

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00:56:34,560 --> 00:56:35,240
Speaker 1: her because.

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Speaker 3: The vibe, Yeah, the vibe was there. Huge.

1202
00:56:38,920 --> 00:56:41,880
Speaker 4: We've had that happened actually quite a few times.

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00:56:44,760 --> 00:56:48,239
Speaker 1: Not the vibe, not the vibe, Okay, amazing. I feel

1204
00:56:48,239 --> 00:56:52,600
Speaker 1: like we've covered so much. And I think also, you know,

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00:56:52,719 --> 00:56:57,120
Speaker 1: like in conclusion, what would you say to the person

1206
00:56:57,719 --> 00:57:02,759
Speaker 1: who is maybe listening to this potty and maybe they

1207
00:57:02,800 --> 00:57:05,239
Speaker 1: don't feel the way that you do in their job.

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00:57:05,719 --> 00:57:08,960
Speaker 3: They're like, I don't fill it up. I don't feel determined.

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00:57:09,040 --> 00:57:12,640
Speaker 1: I don't feel like I've found my dream job or

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00:57:12,680 --> 00:57:15,000
Speaker 1: my end goal, Like, do you have any advice for

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00:57:15,040 --> 00:57:15,480
Speaker 1: that person?

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00:57:16,440 --> 00:57:18,880
Speaker 4: Number one advice would be just getting clear on what

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00:57:18,920 --> 00:57:22,439
Speaker 4: you want. And if you can't get clear on your own,

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00:57:22,640 --> 00:57:26,200
Speaker 4: I would start talking to people in the industry that

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00:57:26,240 --> 00:57:28,600
Speaker 4: you're you know, interested in, or even talk to people

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00:57:28,600 --> 00:57:31,600
Speaker 4: outside of the industry and find out, like, just from

1217
00:57:31,640 --> 00:57:35,000
Speaker 4: speaking to people, you'll get more clear on when you're

1218
00:57:35,040 --> 00:57:37,800
Speaker 4: discussing these things with people, Like but the number one

1219
00:57:37,800 --> 00:57:40,320
Speaker 4: thing is really to get clear on what you want first.

1220
00:57:40,640 --> 00:57:42,400
Speaker 2: You can't really keep fumbling through.

1221
00:57:42,240 --> 00:57:46,240
Speaker 4: Things that you don't want without understanding what you need

1222
00:57:46,280 --> 00:57:47,480
Speaker 4: to do in order.

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Speaker 3: To get there.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I love that and it just made me think

1225
00:57:50,840 --> 00:57:54,840
Speaker 1: of We just released a potty called Expanders where I'm like,

1226
00:57:55,200 --> 00:57:58,920
Speaker 1: go and if you can't physically be around with people,

1227
00:57:59,040 --> 00:58:01,760
Speaker 1: where you want to be like them. So like, for instance,

1228
00:58:02,160 --> 00:58:06,000
Speaker 1: listening to this podcast could expand someone to then go in,

1229
00:58:06,200 --> 00:58:08,480
Speaker 1: you know, do that thing. It's like they can't physically

1230
00:58:08,480 --> 00:58:10,560
Speaker 1: be friends with you, but they can listen to podcasts

1231
00:58:10,680 --> 00:58:13,720
Speaker 1: like this. They can find you know, authors, they can

1232
00:58:13,720 --> 00:58:17,120
Speaker 1: find people on Instagram who are living their life they

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00:58:17,120 --> 00:58:19,200
Speaker 1: want to live or doing what they want to do.

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00:58:19,440 --> 00:58:21,000
Speaker 3: So true very clear through.

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Speaker 4: Them, and people ask me questions on Instagram about my

1236
00:58:24,160 --> 00:58:26,920
Speaker 4: roll all the time. And it doesn't necessarily mean that

1237
00:58:26,960 --> 00:58:29,520
Speaker 4: they want a job at Naked Harvest or you know,

1238
00:58:29,640 --> 00:58:31,920
Speaker 4: but that some of them are studying at UNI and

1239
00:58:31,960 --> 00:58:34,160
Speaker 4: want to know what I did out of UNI.

1240
00:58:34,200 --> 00:58:34,760
Speaker 2: They want to know.

1241
00:58:34,800 --> 00:58:37,200
Speaker 4: Tips on you know, they're not happy in their career

1242
00:58:37,240 --> 00:58:38,840
Speaker 4: right now and they want to make the change. How

1243
00:58:38,840 --> 00:58:41,280
Speaker 4: do they go about that? Like, I'm I'm more than

1244
00:58:41,320 --> 00:58:43,720
Speaker 4: happy to answer those questions. If you're listening to those

1245
00:58:43,760 --> 00:58:45,640
Speaker 4: podcasts and you, oh my god.

1246
00:58:45,520 --> 00:58:47,240
Speaker 3: Don't say that you're gonna have so many damn.

1247
00:58:48,640 --> 00:58:53,000
Speaker 5: Don't damn googlele questions, googleble questions.

1248
00:58:53,480 --> 00:58:55,960
Speaker 2: That's what I said in my first podcast with you.

1249
00:58:56,480 --> 00:58:59,600
Speaker 4: I said, if you ask me a question and it's

1250
00:58:59,640 --> 00:59:03,600
Speaker 4: on good Google, I will be upset because if you

1251
00:59:03,640 --> 00:59:07,000
Speaker 4: don't know how to google something, that's a very big

1252
00:59:07,040 --> 00:59:07,560
Speaker 4: red flag.

1253
00:59:07,640 --> 00:59:08,480
Speaker 2: I literally said that.

1254
00:59:09,800 --> 00:59:12,440
Speaker 4: Oh my god, I'll be like, listen, leave me alone,

1255
00:59:13,840 --> 00:59:14,800
Speaker 4: start wasting my time.

1256
00:59:14,840 --> 00:59:15,520
Speaker 2: It's on Google.

1257
00:59:18,960 --> 00:59:21,880
Speaker 4: No, But if you yeah, if you've got questions, and like,

1258
00:59:21,920 --> 00:59:24,040
Speaker 4: That's what I'm trying to say is, if you don't

1259
00:59:24,040 --> 00:59:25,960
Speaker 4: know what you want to do, start talking to the

1260
00:59:25,960 --> 00:59:27,560
Speaker 4: people who are in the realm of what you want

1261
00:59:27,600 --> 00:59:29,960
Speaker 4: to do and just learn from them.

1262
00:59:30,240 --> 00:59:30,680
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1263
00:59:30,720 --> 00:59:33,960
Speaker 1: And also I think the basis of this whole episode

1264
00:59:34,040 --> 00:59:36,000
Speaker 1: is like be willing to work to get there.

1265
00:59:36,320 --> 00:59:37,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's honestly it.

1266
00:59:38,320 --> 00:59:40,600
Speaker 4: Yeah, like exactly, you've gotten to where you are from

1267
00:59:40,600 --> 00:59:42,520
Speaker 4: working freakin' hard.

1268
00:59:42,760 --> 00:59:46,919
Speaker 1: Hustling, hustling, and like we said, the start's usually pretty shit.

1269
00:59:47,120 --> 00:59:49,680
Speaker 3: Yeah. I know, I'm just going to say it.

1270
00:59:50,080 --> 00:59:53,040
Speaker 4: And Also I didn't leave UNI and one year later

1271
00:59:53,120 --> 00:59:55,440
Speaker 4: I was a brand executive of a multimillion dollar company.

1272
00:59:55,480 --> 00:59:56,360
Speaker 2: That's not how it worked.

1273
00:59:56,560 --> 00:59:58,960
Speaker 4: No, Like there have been so many ups and downs

1274
00:59:59,000 --> 01:00:02,640
Speaker 4: in the last five years, like so many. It's always

1275
01:00:02,680 --> 01:00:05,520
Speaker 4: a work in progress. Things are constantly going wrong, but

1276
01:00:05,600 --> 01:00:07,640
Speaker 4: you kind of if this is your dream job, you

1277
01:00:07,720 --> 01:00:08,640
Speaker 4: will push through it.

1278
01:00:08,920 --> 01:00:10,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you will get to the other side.

1279
01:00:11,360 --> 01:00:14,080
Speaker 3: Love Mel, Thank you so much for being on the pody.

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01:00:14,160 --> 01:00:15,600
Speaker 3: You're welcome. Guys.

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01:00:15,640 --> 01:00:18,040
Speaker 1: If you enjoyed this chat, we did a chat with

1282
01:00:18,440 --> 01:00:21,680
Speaker 1: Mel and Cooper all about n H which we will

1283
01:00:21,720 --> 01:00:22,880
Speaker 1: link in the show notes.

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01:00:22,920 --> 01:00:24,600
Speaker 3: But thanks so much. Mel.

1285
01:00:24,680 --> 01:00:27,120
Speaker 2: Always okay, go for it, girls, That is all I

1286
01:00:27,160 --> 01:00:27,680
Speaker 2: want to say.

1287
01:00:27,960 --> 01:00:32,360
Speaker 3: Yes, go out there, kill it, work hard. You've got

1288
01:00:32,360 --> 01:00:34,439
Speaker 3: this dream job. Here we come.

1289
01:00:35,520 --> 01:00:37,440
Speaker 2: No one is you and that is your power.

1290
01:00:44,960 --> 01:00:48,440
Speaker 1: Thank you so much for listening to another episode of

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01:00:48,480 --> 01:00:51,640
Speaker 1: the Rise and Conquer podcast. If you enjoyed it and

1292
01:00:51,760 --> 01:00:56,040
Speaker 1: want more, come connect with us on Instagram at Riseinconquer

1293
01:00:56,280 --> 01:01:00,680
Speaker 1: dot podcast and join our Facebook discussion group and Conker

1294
01:01:00,800 --> 01:01:04,640
Speaker 1: podcast community. We're an independent podcast and we have a

1295
01:01:04,680 --> 01:01:07,840
Speaker 1: small team, so we do appreciate your time and support.

1296
01:01:08,160 --> 01:01:10,880
Speaker 1: If you have a spare moment, a follow or subscribe

1297
01:01:11,320 --> 01:01:15,280
Speaker 1: on whatever platform you listen to would be so amazing,

1298
01:01:15,800 --> 01:01:18,880
Speaker 1: and look, if you're feeling extra kind, a review on

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Speaker 1: Apple Podcasts would be great.