WEBVTT - 03: Family Reunion 0:00:00.720 --> 0:00:06.480 This podcast contains information and details relating to suicide. We 0:00:06.680 --> 0:00:11.840 urge anyone struggling with their emotions to contact Lifeline on 0:00:12.039 --> 0:00:19.079 thirteen eleven fourteen thirteen eleven fourteen or visit them at 0:00:19.440 --> 0:00:29.440 lifeline dot org dot au. A twenty four year old 0:00:29.720 --> 0:00:35.960 devoted mother of two fleeing a violent relationship as a 0:00:38.520 --> 0:00:45.280 bags pack car running her daughters strapped into the backseat. 0:00:45.600 --> 0:00:49.120 Mom told me that she needed to go back inside 0:00:49.159 --> 0:00:49.920 to grab something. 0:00:50.360 --> 0:00:50.720 Panic. 0:00:51.000 --> 0:00:53.320 I Amy is dead, Sir, I am his dead? 0:00:53.360 --> 0:00:55.480 Eight Confusion World about five minutes. 0:00:55.520 --> 0:00:57.120 Say sit not to suicide. 0:00:56.720 --> 0:00:57.920 One hundred percent. 0:00:58.280 --> 0:00:59.320 This is emersing. 0:01:01.160 --> 0:01:05.400 What do you think is really the honest truth about Amy? 0:01:06.440 --> 0:01:09.840 The Truth About Amy? 0:01:15.560 --> 0:01:19.399 Episode three? 0:01:20.080 --> 0:01:22.000 I am Liam Bartlett. 0:01:22.640 --> 0:01:25.360 And I'm Alison Sandy. 0:01:26.720 --> 0:01:30.240 It's been three years since Anna has seen her sister 0:01:30.360 --> 0:01:38.200 Nancy and her Nieces. It's a warm sunny day in Perth, 0:01:38.680 --> 0:01:42.200 the Swan River sparkling. Only a few clouds can be 0:01:42.240 --> 0:01:46.240 seen on the horizon. We take two cars, the camera 0:01:46.319 --> 0:01:51.360 crew and me in one, Anna and Allison in the other. 0:01:52.280 --> 0:01:53.240 Good to catch up with him. 0:01:54.000 --> 0:01:57.520 Anna says how excited she is about seeing everyone again. 0:01:57.880 --> 0:01:59.800 Nice to you to make. 0:01:59.680 --> 0:02:02.960 That Before leaving she rings Nancy to let her know 0:02:03.080 --> 0:02:03.960 they're on the way. 0:02:04.160 --> 0:02:06.639 Nancy sounded a little bit of horse this morning. 0:02:07.000 --> 0:02:10.120 Yeah, so that generally happens to her voice when she 0:02:11.520 --> 0:02:14.400 starts to get nervous and anxious about things, And generally 0:02:14.960 --> 0:02:18.160 that's all to do with Amy. She's had this condition 0:02:19.360 --> 0:02:20.680 for ten years now, I guess. 0:02:20.960 --> 0:02:23.600 So that's why you had to take up the plan 0:02:23.800 --> 0:02:29.440 for Amy, right, because it's just really too hard for 0:02:29.880 --> 0:02:32.200 Nancy with everything and having to look after the kids 0:02:32.880 --> 0:02:33.360 one hundred. 0:02:35.800 --> 0:02:37.440 She was devastated when this happened. 0:02:37.840 --> 0:02:41.959 It tore Nancy's world apart, and it devastated her as 0:02:41.960 --> 0:02:46.560 a point and it still does to this day. And 0:02:46.639 --> 0:02:51.959 I remember how angry I was, not just upset about 0:02:53.200 --> 0:02:56.280 losing Amy, but how angry I was about how we 0:02:56.360 --> 0:03:00.760 lost her and the way the police would treat Amy. 0:03:01.520 --> 0:03:05.880 I was angry, and I remember going back to Sydney 0:03:07.360 --> 0:03:14.960 and I'd be contacting Nancy and asking her to contact people. 0:03:15.000 --> 0:03:17.400 Have you called this person, have you asked this question? 0:03:18.639 --> 0:03:20.280 Have the police got back to you? Did the coroner 0:03:20.320 --> 0:03:24.320 say anything? And I didn't realize at first that I 0:03:24.440 --> 0:03:28.359 was pushing a broken person to do something they were 0:03:28.400 --> 0:03:29.160 not capable of. 0:03:29.880 --> 0:03:31.240 And one day it just hit. 0:03:31.080 --> 0:03:34.200 Me, It just clicked if I had a conversation with her, 0:03:34.280 --> 0:03:37.760 and I realized that she can't do this, and it's 0:03:37.840 --> 0:03:41.720 me that's thinking of all these things to do, you know, 0:03:41.920 --> 0:03:43.080 people to contact, people. 0:03:42.920 --> 0:03:45.160 To speak to, the questions to ask. 0:03:45.800 --> 0:03:48.280 And we had a conversation one day and I said 0:03:48.320 --> 0:03:52.920 to her, how about you focus on looking after Amy's 0:03:53.000 --> 0:03:55.680 children and protecting them. 0:03:55.000 --> 0:03:58.400 And I'll focus on Amy. And we agreed that's what 0:03:58.440 --> 0:03:58.840 we'd do. 0:04:00.120 --> 0:04:04.400 Tell me you've organized a bit of a surprise meeting 0:04:04.480 --> 0:04:08.440 today with for Larry, the police officer who was at 0:04:08.480 --> 0:04:12.000 the scene, to come and meet Nancy. Now Nancy has 0:04:12.040 --> 0:04:13.480 met him, but she doesn't remember. 0:04:13.320 --> 0:04:14.400 Right, that's correct. 0:04:14.600 --> 0:04:21.200 So I didn't know this until I spoke to Larry. 0:04:21.320 --> 0:04:26.440 He was one of the officers that I saw Nancy, 0:04:26.720 --> 0:04:29.120 I believe, down at the bottom gate when she first 0:04:29.200 --> 0:04:35.120 arrived at the house after Amy died, and then he 0:04:35.400 --> 0:04:39.080 and another police officer went to Nancy's home to let 0:04:39.160 --> 0:04:39.560 her know. 0:04:40.600 --> 0:04:45.400 That the detectives had deemed Amy's death suicide. Nancy can't 0:04:45.440 --> 0:04:50.240 remember that when you receive information like that and you 0:04:50.360 --> 0:04:54.039 get told something is horrific as what she got told 0:04:54.040 --> 0:04:57.240 that night I mean, Amy was the love of a life, 0:04:58.240 --> 0:05:00.520 and when you get told something like that, your world 0:05:00.560 --> 0:05:03.480 falls apart. How do you remember things that have said? 0:05:03.520 --> 0:05:08.320 How do you remember? You know, just details like remembering 0:05:08.320 --> 0:05:11.119 the person that told you that. It is so much 0:05:11.640 --> 0:05:13.880 of that night that is such a blur to her. 0:05:14.760 --> 0:05:18.240 She doesn't remember the conversation that she and I had 0:05:18.720 --> 0:05:21.919 the very next morning when she told me that the 0:05:21.960 --> 0:05:24.680 police had been in touch with her and told her 0:05:24.720 --> 0:05:26.600 that Amy's death was a suicide. 0:05:26.600 --> 0:05:28.680 She doesn't remember that phone call to me. 0:05:29.440 --> 0:05:33.280 She doesn't remember that night when Amy died, the conversation 0:05:33.440 --> 0:05:35.600 that she and I had on that phone, But I 0:05:35.680 --> 0:05:37.960 remember it because it was devastating to me and it 0:05:38.000 --> 0:05:41.000 was painful. I won't forget it. But it was so 0:05:41.160 --> 0:05:44.919 much for her being Amy's mum, that a lot of 0:05:44.960 --> 0:05:49.760 it is a blur. So she doesn't remember meeting Larry 0:05:49.760 --> 0:05:52.840 that night. So coming here to Perth, I thought I'd 0:05:52.880 --> 0:05:55.880 reach out to Larry and see if he'd be willing 0:05:56.680 --> 0:06:00.799 to come to Nancy's place and meet her the first time. 0:06:02.080 --> 0:06:03.720 Well, for her it's like. 0:06:03.760 --> 0:06:06.039 Meeting him for the first time because she doesn't remember, 0:06:06.760 --> 0:06:09.159 and for me, I'd like to see him again as well, 0:06:09.200 --> 0:06:13.320 because the only time I've ever met Larry was in 0:06:13.360 --> 0:06:16.840 the courtroom when he gave evidence, and it was so brief. 0:06:17.440 --> 0:06:21.640 He got up and he gave his evidence, and after 0:06:21.680 --> 0:06:25.039 he gave the evidence, he came down and he shook 0:06:25.080 --> 0:06:28.880 the hands of people who were there for Amy. And 0:06:28.920 --> 0:06:31.719 when he got to me, I just said to him, 0:06:31.760 --> 0:06:34.440 thank you, and he just leant down and hugged me, 0:06:35.360 --> 0:06:37.400 just gave me a hug, and I could see the 0:06:37.440 --> 0:06:38.360 pain on his face. 0:06:38.880 --> 0:06:39.880 And I think it's really. 0:06:39.720 --> 0:06:42.039 Important that Nancy meets him as well, because I think, 0:06:42.480 --> 0:06:46.520 you know, she would like to thank him for giving 0:06:46.560 --> 0:06:50.320 his honest recollection of that night. 0:06:50.800 --> 0:06:53.360 Today's going to be hard for Nancy, though, isn't it. 0:06:53.360 --> 0:06:58.400 It will be, I think, although it's although I maybe 0:06:58.720 --> 0:07:02.440 organize this surprise her to meet Larry, I think also 0:07:02.640 --> 0:07:06.080 it will probably hit a nerve as well, because once 0:07:06.120 --> 0:07:09.040 she realizes who he is, I think, you know, it'll 0:07:09.080 --> 0:07:12.640 be emotional for her. But I think she'll be okay 0:07:12.840 --> 0:07:15.040 because we'll be together. So that's what makes it okay. 0:07:15.680 --> 0:07:19.360 You are for each other what the other isn't I guess, 0:07:19.720 --> 0:07:20.040 you know what. 0:07:20.360 --> 0:07:23.280 It's funny to say that because when Nancy and I 0:07:23.360 --> 0:07:26.200 had that conversation years ago, and I said to her, 0:07:26.280 --> 0:07:28.960 you look after Amy's children and I'll look after Amy. 0:07:29.000 --> 0:07:31.560 I said to her, you know what it's like being 0:07:31.600 --> 0:07:35.400 one person, but we're splitting ourselves in half. That's exactly 0:07:35.400 --> 0:07:38.680 what I said to her. She's never been the same 0:07:38.720 --> 0:07:38.960 to her. 0:07:39.000 --> 0:07:41.680 No, she hasn't, not at all. No. 0:07:42.520 --> 0:07:47.400 But thank God for Amy's children. You know, they've kept 0:07:47.480 --> 0:07:50.800 her going. They have been her focus. And it's been 0:07:50.920 --> 0:07:55.000 very hard for her because you know, at the beginning, 0:07:55.000 --> 0:07:57.160 you're talking about two little girls who have just lost 0:07:57.240 --> 0:08:00.000 their mum, and Nancy. 0:08:00.400 --> 0:08:02.440 Had to hold herself together. 0:08:03.160 --> 0:08:06.080 You know, so many times when Nancy wanted to, I 0:08:06.120 --> 0:08:09.920 guess break down or cry or whatever, she'd have to 0:08:09.960 --> 0:08:12.520 hold that because she had to be strong for those children. 0:08:13.160 --> 0:08:16.680 And those children seeing Nancy upset all the time isn't 0:08:16.720 --> 0:08:17.480 good for them. 0:08:17.760 --> 0:08:18.800 You know, they love their Nan. 0:08:19.400 --> 0:08:23.600 I remember when not long after Amy passed and Nancy 0:08:23.680 --> 0:08:26.480 had to get back to some sort of normality and 0:08:26.560 --> 0:08:29.000 she was working full time, and she had the kids 0:08:29.040 --> 0:08:32.599 living with us, and she went back to work. 0:08:33.960 --> 0:08:36.559 And Nancy would obviously she stays. 0:08:36.280 --> 0:08:38.520 In regular contact with me, and she'd tell me how 0:08:39.080 --> 0:08:40.880 if she was home late the girls would be very 0:08:40.960 --> 0:08:43.559 upset and they'd be at the window looking out the window, 0:08:44.120 --> 0:08:48.800 waiting for her. And she said, you know, they just 0:08:48.840 --> 0:08:50.760 really want me home and they get upset if I'm late. 0:08:50.800 --> 0:08:51.880 And I had to point it out to me and 0:08:51.880 --> 0:08:55.280 I said, Nancy, they're scared you're not coming home. I said, 0:08:55.280 --> 0:08:59.000 I have to think about it. Their mum was there one 0:08:59.040 --> 0:09:02.040 minute and the next minute, their mum's gone. Now they're 0:09:02.080 --> 0:09:04.800 with you, and they live with you. And if you 0:09:04.840 --> 0:09:06.720 say you're going to be home at three o'clock or 0:09:06.720 --> 0:09:08.400 four o'clock and you're not there, I said, what do 0:09:08.440 --> 0:09:11.160 you think goes through their minds? I said, of course 0:09:11.280 --> 0:09:13.520 they're looking at that window waiting for you because they've 0:09:13.520 --> 0:09:14.079 lost their mum. 0:09:14.120 --> 0:09:20.800 They don't need to lose their nan. It's awful, Thank 0:09:20.840 --> 0:09:21.280 you man. 0:09:21.720 --> 0:09:27.880 As always, not's just so appreciative for you. You speak 0:09:27.920 --> 0:09:28.439 with your honey. 0:09:29.240 --> 0:09:32.600 Yeah, I'm about to cry. I just hate it. 0:09:32.679 --> 0:09:37.079 Like day, it's going to be good. No, it will 0:09:37.120 --> 0:09:37.920 beat therapy. 0:09:38.800 --> 0:09:40.439 I can't wait to see them. 0:09:40.760 --> 0:09:43.000 But when I think back about things like that, Alison, 0:09:43.720 --> 0:09:46.439 like those little girls you know, worrying about. 0:09:46.240 --> 0:09:52.160 Nuds you're not coming home. They're just babies. They're just little. 0:09:51.920 --> 0:09:57.040 Girls and Amy Amy that Amy's babies and she should 0:09:57.080 --> 0:10:02.520 be here. Her life was cut short. 0:10:02.800 --> 0:10:06.880 Fighting for Amy has taken its toll on Anna and 0:10:07.000 --> 0:10:10.520 the rest of the family, but they want their story toll. 0:10:11.400 --> 0:10:15.040 They find strength in each other, but sometimes it does 0:10:15.120 --> 0:10:20.679 feel very lonely. When we arrive, only Nancy comes to 0:10:20.720 --> 0:10:24.600 the front door. Amy's daughters and friends know that we 0:10:24.920 --> 0:10:28.560 the journalists and camera crew are turning up, but they 0:10:28.640 --> 0:10:32.839 don't know Anna is with us. Nancy takes us through 0:10:32.880 --> 0:10:35.480 the house to where they're all waiting in the backyard 0:10:35.720 --> 0:10:42.559 entertainment area. When they see Anna, Hello, Tay and Neya 0:10:42.760 --> 0:10:50.000 immediately jump up excitedly and give her a big hope. 0:10:52.320 --> 0:11:10.000 It's just so much so when you're moving to Sydney. 0:11:11.120 --> 0:11:14.840 Oh my god, Oh. 0:11:17.400 --> 0:11:18.559 Miss your girls so much. 0:11:19.040 --> 0:11:24.600 You don't believe that it's me. 0:11:25.200 --> 0:11:28.800 Yeah, cry, I'm not a big fan praying either. 0:11:28.920 --> 0:11:32.360 Anna also enjoys a hug with her sister Nancy, who 0:11:32.440 --> 0:11:34.360 she hasn't seen for three years. 0:11:34.440 --> 0:11:36.320 Oh wow, the cool looks goodness. 0:11:37.440 --> 0:11:37.960 He doesn't. 0:11:43.679 --> 0:11:48.280 Also at the reunion are Amy's best friends Natasha Selsa, 0:11:48.679 --> 0:11:52.080 who she used to live with, and Aaron Gower, who 0:11:52.160 --> 0:11:53.800 Amy met at high school. 0:11:53.880 --> 0:11:54.640 I said, I wasn't. 0:11:54.480 --> 0:11:59.240 Coming back here to your business, mean in Sydney at 0:11:59.240 --> 0:12:02.400 this time. Be back to your visit me, Tash. 0:12:04.880 --> 0:12:05.040 You. 0:12:13.280 --> 0:12:21.760 Like Amy. Nancy was a young mum. Amy Lee Wensley 0:12:22.000 --> 0:12:25.800 was born on eleventh of February nineteen ninety at Nepean 0:12:25.840 --> 0:12:31.880 Hospital in New South Wales to Nancy and John Wensley. 0:12:32.640 --> 0:12:35.360 Amy and her parents lived with John's mother, who was 0:12:35.440 --> 0:12:43.320 so excited about the birth of her first grandchild. Amy 0:12:43.360 --> 0:12:45.680 would grow up to form a very close bond with 0:12:45.720 --> 0:12:49.440 her grandmother, whom she would go on to affectionately call Marzy. 0:12:51.920 --> 0:12:55.800 Marzy adored Amy and she would always fuss over her granddaughter. 0:12:57.559 --> 0:13:01.360 When Amy was aged about three, Nancy and John decided 0:13:01.400 --> 0:13:04.280 to move to Ballina, where Amy's sister Sam was born. 0:13:06.320 --> 0:13:09.319 Amy was upset Sam was not a boy and asked 0:13:09.320 --> 0:13:11.840 her mum to take Sam back to the hospital and 0:13:11.920 --> 0:13:19.840 bring home a boy. Despite wanting a brother, Amy adored 0:13:19.880 --> 0:13:23.839 having a little sister. A few years later, they moved 0:13:23.840 --> 0:13:28.040 back to Sydney to be closer to family. Marzie and 0:13:28.080 --> 0:13:30.800 her auntie Anna were thrilled to have them return and 0:13:30.840 --> 0:13:37.880 to be closer to the children. Three years later, Amy 0:13:37.960 --> 0:13:41.880 became a big sister again to Kelly. Amy was delighted 0:13:41.920 --> 0:13:44.640 and spent much of a time fussing over her little sisters, 0:13:45.320 --> 0:13:54.360 always looking after and playing with them. For a short while, 0:13:54.440 --> 0:13:57.840 Amy attended Newtown Primary School and enrolled at Brent Street 0:13:57.960 --> 0:14:00.480 Dance Studio, where she took part in the End of 0:14:00.600 --> 0:14:05.520 Yew dance performance. She loved dancing and going to rehearsals. 0:14:07.400 --> 0:14:10.439 Amy's parents separated and Nancy was looking to start a 0:14:10.559 --> 0:14:15.920 new life elsewhere. Nancy and her three daughters moved to Perth, 0:14:16.120 --> 0:14:20.880 where her brother was living with his family. Amy settled 0:14:20.920 --> 0:14:23.120 him well to her new life and made new friends 0:14:23.160 --> 0:14:27.920 in high school. It's where she met Aaron Gower. Amy 0:14:28.000 --> 0:14:31.840 continued to include her sisters in everything. They shared a 0:14:31.880 --> 0:14:35.560 close bond until the day. 0:14:35.720 --> 0:14:40.840 She died too. 0:14:41.120 --> 0:14:46.840 When Amy died, they aged just seventeen and twenty and 0:14:46.920 --> 0:14:48.920 the girls are very close. When they were growing up, 0:14:49.200 --> 0:14:51.920 Amy used to be like a little mum to them. 0:14:52.040 --> 0:14:54.880 She used to fuss over them and play with them 0:14:55.000 --> 0:14:58.600 and make sure they're okay and make sure they weren't misbehaving. 0:14:59.240 --> 0:15:01.920 She was a proper little and as they got a 0:15:01.920 --> 0:15:05.520 little bit older became teenagers, Amy used to do things 0:15:05.560 --> 0:15:08.480 with her friends, and sometimes she'd take her sisters along 0:15:08.480 --> 0:15:12.320 with her. That's how close they were. And when Amy 0:15:12.400 --> 0:15:16.840 passed away, her sisters were so devastated and they still 0:15:16.880 --> 0:15:20.320 are at the loss of their big sister and not 0:15:20.400 --> 0:15:21.640 having her around anymore. 0:15:21.640 --> 0:15:22.560 They missed terribly. 0:15:23.080 --> 0:15:27.800 After Amy died, Kelly received a Facebook message from David Simmons' aunt, 0:15:28.080 --> 0:15:29.960 Chrissy Bull, who said. 0:15:30.080 --> 0:15:32.960 I will never ever believe that she took her own 0:15:33.000 --> 0:15:37.800 life because that was not what Amy would ever do. Kelly, 0:15:38.080 --> 0:15:40.400 all I can say to you is that Amy was 0:15:40.440 --> 0:15:42.360 a big part of our family too. 0:15:42.560 --> 0:15:47.360 It shows that it's not just our family and friends 0:15:47.480 --> 0:15:51.640 who who believe that Amy did not take her life. 0:15:52.360 --> 0:15:56.360 There's clearly members of David's own family who feel the 0:15:56.400 --> 0:15:59.000 same way or think the same way and don't believe 0:15:59.000 --> 0:16:00.400 that Amy took her life either. 0:16:00.840 --> 0:16:03.479 And that says a lot. I think that speaks volumes. 0:16:03.880 --> 0:16:07.320 Then two weeks later, she sent another message to Amy's 0:16:07.320 --> 0:16:10.000 best friend Erin, saying this, I. 0:16:09.960 --> 0:16:12.280 Hope you don't take this the wrong way, but my 0:16:12.440 --> 0:16:15.280 family and I are having a private service for Amy. 0:16:15.720 --> 0:16:19.480 Chrissy complains they weren't invited to Amy's official funeral. 0:16:19.680 --> 0:16:22.600 That is the reason my family wasn't at Amy's funeral. 0:16:23.000 --> 0:16:26.680 We weren't told nothing at all. Nancy had no intention 0:16:26.840 --> 0:16:31.280 whatsoever to let Tay's great grandparents even know. We're all 0:16:31.400 --> 0:16:34.440 drained by what's gone on. I'm not letting off steam 0:16:34.520 --> 0:16:37.920 to you by any means whatsoever. I just know that 0:16:38.000 --> 0:16:42.120 this isn't the way Amy would have wanted. This family 0:16:42.120 --> 0:16:45.000 aren't even allowed to see the girls. Just a few 0:16:45.040 --> 0:16:48.840 heads up on why my family's hurting, Aaron replies. 0:16:48.720 --> 0:16:50.000 What does this have to do with me? 0:16:50.520 --> 0:16:53.040 Just let you know we cared for your bestie two. 0:16:53.320 --> 0:16:56.000 I understand exactly why her family is feeling the way 0:16:56.000 --> 0:16:56.400 they are. 0:16:56.640 --> 0:16:58.720 I was always the one to help her out. I 0:16:58.800 --> 0:17:02.000 know what you're saying me, I do. May she be 0:17:02.120 --> 0:17:04.760 resting in peace and the truth come out in the end. 0:17:13.520 --> 0:17:14.919 I love to come as it means. 0:17:15.119 --> 0:17:23.000 Yeah, Amy's loved ones settle into conversation, enjoy a game poul, 0:17:23.600 --> 0:17:26.959 and make the most of their special but limited time together. 0:17:27.800 --> 0:17:30.359 And I can't believe how much her daughters have grown, 0:17:30.680 --> 0:17:32.959 both physically and emotionally. 0:17:33.440 --> 0:17:33.880 Surprise. 0:17:34.960 --> 0:17:37.359 Yeah, just a little, just a little. 0:17:38.600 --> 0:17:39.120 I don't worry. 0:17:42.280 --> 0:17:43.840 I'm nearly taller than everyone here. 0:17:44.119 --> 0:17:47.400 Except except you should take up to me, be tall, 0:17:48.960 --> 0:17:50.600 hopefully look at you. 0:17:50.760 --> 0:17:53.720 Oh my god, will will sit down? It's making me 0:17:53.760 --> 0:17:57.720 a drink. Oh my goodness. 0:17:57.760 --> 0:17:59.200 I mean she's that's okay. 0:18:00.440 --> 0:18:02.080 So anyone can. 0:18:01.960 --> 0:18:05.680 Tell me anything that's going It's got the braces. How's 0:18:05.680 --> 0:18:06.160 that going on? 0:18:07.000 --> 0:18:07.960 Oh my god? 0:18:08.080 --> 0:18:12.400 I just took them out because I can't speak with them. 0:18:13.520 --> 0:18:15.080 It's like my mouth closed like this. 0:18:16.520 --> 0:18:17.439 How much longer you do? 0:18:18.240 --> 0:18:20.240 I've had them for like two years and a bit now, 0:18:20.680 --> 0:18:22.320 but they only said I was meant to have them 0:18:22.320 --> 0:18:24.800 for like only a year because my teeth weren't that bad. 0:18:25.720 --> 0:18:26.600 They weren't that bad. 0:18:26.760 --> 0:18:29.720 And I have a dent disappointment, I think on Wednesday, 0:18:30.520 --> 0:18:32.720 and then yeah. 0:18:32.200 --> 0:18:34.920 You'll find out then hopefully find out if I get 0:18:34.920 --> 0:18:37.000 the mouths and you're just gonna have beautiful teeth. 0:18:37.400 --> 0:18:40.360 Yeah, and you're missing what's going on. 0:18:40.960 --> 0:18:42.600 Not much is growing one at the moment. 0:18:42.640 --> 0:18:45.480 For me, it's what year are you in now? 0:18:45.640 --> 0:18:49.000 I'm in year nine and you're liking school? 0:18:49.320 --> 0:18:53.000 Yeah, it's all right, nothing too interesting in the moment. 0:18:53.640 --> 0:18:54.960 But education is important. 0:18:56.840 --> 0:19:00.800 So when Amy was a little girl, when your mum 0:19:00.880 --> 0:19:04.359 was little, she always just to get upset when she 0:19:04.400 --> 0:19:06.920 had to go home to Nan. She wanted to stay 0:19:06.920 --> 0:19:09.520 with me, and she was sitting in the car and 0:19:09.560 --> 0:19:10.560 I used to do this to her. 0:19:11.000 --> 0:19:15.760 Anna points to her eye, her heart, then to Tay 0:19:16.520 --> 0:19:20.120 and Naya, I love you. 0:19:20.640 --> 0:19:21.679 And then she'd do this to me. 0:19:22.560 --> 0:19:25.840 She'd point to her eye, point to her heart, point 0:19:25.880 --> 0:19:28.720 to me, and then hold up two fingers to say, 0:19:29.240 --> 0:19:30.520 I love you too. 0:19:31.200 --> 0:19:32.760 And that's why you two do it, because your mum 0:19:32.800 --> 0:19:33.520 taught you to do it. 0:19:33.840 --> 0:19:36.480 Yeah, what was the other thing your mum taught you that? 0:19:36.560 --> 0:19:37.240 I taught her? 0:19:38.240 --> 0:19:40.920 There was something and I used to tell her something, 0:19:41.400 --> 0:19:45.960 and she taught you to that. Oh about sisters. 0:19:46.720 --> 0:19:50.040 That's exactly what because it's true, right, that's true. 0:19:50.080 --> 0:19:54.080 Right before we know it, over an hour has passed. 0:19:54.760 --> 0:20:02.800 Larry is due to arrive any minute. 0:20:00.000 --> 0:20:14.919 Oh, Nancy, Larry, there are you guaranteed. I'm really sorry. 0:20:14.920 --> 0:20:25.520 Buddy's been lingering. Oh man, I was right. I want 0:20:25.520 --> 0:20:28.399 to say you because I never got to tell you 0:20:28.480 --> 0:20:37.840 after the inquest. Thank you so much, been there and 0:20:39.720 --> 0:20:42.040 doing all this, doing all this with us. 0:20:44.240 --> 0:20:47.560 It's something I have to do. I have to see 0:20:47.560 --> 0:20:50.360 the job, even though I'm not a pretty much. 0:20:51.080 --> 0:20:55.600 Thank you so much. You would you like to come 0:20:55.640 --> 0:20:58.639 and meet the girls. I means girls. 0:20:58.760 --> 0:21:04.120 Yes. Nancy goes on to show Larry a shelf where 0:21:04.200 --> 0:21:08.880 pictures of Amy and her daughters are carefully placed, as 0:21:08.880 --> 0:21:12.480 well as a candle they light on the anniversary of 0:21:12.600 --> 0:21:19.080 her death. Before then Taynya and Larry meet for the 0:21:19.119 --> 0:21:19.760 first time. 0:21:20.200 --> 0:21:27.240 But this is Larry, this is yeah, and. 0:21:28.800 --> 0:21:32.720 You're the tallest and the I picked that up straight away. 0:21:33.440 --> 0:21:34.760 I should have been a detective. 0:21:36.160 --> 0:21:39.960 We wish, yes, actually we wish. 0:21:40.560 --> 0:21:41.280 It's a good surprise. 0:21:41.400 --> 0:21:46.480 Next stop it so the girls just asking me his 0:21:46.920 --> 0:21:50.639 surprise visitor and we just told him that you're the 0:21:50.640 --> 0:21:51.400 police officer. 0:21:52.200 --> 0:21:54.320 It turned up the first one to turn up and 0:21:54.359 --> 0:21:55.320 tried to help their mom. 0:21:55.560 --> 0:21:59.639 And I made a pledge that night to Amy. I 0:21:59.680 --> 0:22:03.040 stayed in the room with the farewell and I made 0:22:03.080 --> 0:22:06.400 a pledge that I said, we were going to get 0:22:06.440 --> 0:22:07.200 to the bottom of this. 0:22:07.240 --> 0:22:08.280 We'll get to the bottom of this. 0:22:09.720 --> 0:22:15.400 Everyone here is united in their grief. Emotions are raw, 0:22:15.720 --> 0:22:18.440 but they're here for one reason, and I hope that 0:22:18.480 --> 0:22:25.200 the truth about Amy will finally be realized. Nancy tells 0:22:25.240 --> 0:22:28.479 me how the passing of time has not made it 0:22:28.560 --> 0:22:29.240 any easier. 0:22:29.960 --> 0:22:32.840 I have trouble sleeping at night. Oh, I can be 0:22:33.080 --> 0:22:37.440 so tired and I'll go to bed and something will 0:22:37.560 --> 0:22:39.640 just trickle me in, I sends. I closed my eyes. 0:22:39.680 --> 0:22:42.840 I go back to that night, that phone call. I 0:22:43.000 --> 0:22:46.840 raung her when I got home from work, hearing is 0:22:48.400 --> 0:22:54.320 hearing names voice, hysterical crying, And. 0:22:54.280 --> 0:22:58.119 In that phone call, you said, what come here? Come 0:22:58.160 --> 0:22:58.680 come home? 0:23:00.080 --> 0:23:03.240 Kiss shit? You want the girls? Come here? I don't 0:23:03.240 --> 0:23:06.600 care if you stay here for a month. Here whatever, 0:23:07.440 --> 0:23:08.160 get here now. 0:23:08.640 --> 0:23:10.920 She fully agree with you. Did you feel any sort 0:23:10.960 --> 0:23:11.560 of pushback? 0:23:12.000 --> 0:23:15.760 No, Yes, mum, I'll be there soon. He said, Do 0:23:15.800 --> 0:23:18.360 you want me to come get here? She said no, 0:23:19.119 --> 0:23:21.520 because she knew if I would have went out there, 0:23:22.080 --> 0:23:26.040 there would have been a big argument with David and 0:23:26.080 --> 0:23:29.920 myself and son. I was there soon, so you're sure 0:23:31.800 --> 0:23:32.520 I'll be there soon. 0:23:32.920 --> 0:23:34.520 She was just trying to find the line of least 0:23:34.520 --> 0:23:36.879 resistance so that she could get in the car and 0:23:36.920 --> 0:23:38.240 come here with the girls. 0:23:38.520 --> 0:23:43.600 Yes, when I wrung Amy, she was hysterical. If gone, 0:23:43.480 --> 0:23:47.760 what fuck happens? A hit you because grabbed me by 0:23:47.800 --> 0:23:52.160 the throat and throw me on the ground. Gone, what 0:23:53.359 --> 0:23:55.680 he's grabbed you and grabbed you by the throat? For 0:23:55.960 --> 0:23:58.840 the ground, what the fuck? Because she had a said 0:23:58.920 --> 0:24:05.280 two bracksta, he got a paralyzed her by doing something stupid. 0:24:04.880 --> 0:24:08.480 Like that from her previous neck injury from him. 0:24:08.359 --> 0:24:10.600 Being drunk behind the wheel and crushing the car. 0:24:11.000 --> 0:24:14.359 It's worth noting here that David Simmons denies being drunk 0:24:14.400 --> 0:24:16.720 at the time of the accident, and there's no proof 0:24:16.760 --> 0:24:19.160 he was because police did not attend. 0:24:19.640 --> 0:24:21.879 So when you heard her say he's thrown me on 0:24:21.920 --> 0:24:22.640 the ground. 0:24:22.640 --> 0:24:27.119