1 00:00:05,960 --> 00:00:09,720 Speaker 1: All of you have seen the news today about a 2 00:00:09,840 --> 00:00:14,440 Speaker 1: Yarra Valley school where a whole bunch of boys did 3 00:00:14,480 --> 00:00:17,880 Speaker 1: some awful things and writing a list and classing a 4 00:00:17,920 --> 00:00:18,720 Speaker 1: whole bunch. 5 00:00:18,440 --> 00:00:20,040 Speaker 2: Of other women in their year group. 6 00:00:20,079 --> 00:00:22,120 Speaker 1: I've got to advise everybody there is a content warning 7 00:00:22,160 --> 00:00:24,280 Speaker 1: on this because this gets pretty hectic. 8 00:00:25,079 --> 00:00:28,360 Speaker 3: An elite Melbourne school has suspended four year eleven boys 9 00:00:28,440 --> 00:00:32,159 Speaker 3: over a disgraceful online ranking of their female classmates. As 10 00:00:32,200 --> 00:00:36,520 Speaker 3: exclusively revealed by Today's Christina Hearn, the spreadsheet ratings WiFi 11 00:00:36,720 --> 00:00:42,040 Speaker 3: is cuties, mid object, get out and most disturbingly unrapable. 12 00:00:43,520 --> 00:00:45,200 Speaker 1: All right, So I just want to start by saying 13 00:00:45,280 --> 00:00:50,000 Speaker 1: how awful this must be for the girls that are 14 00:00:50,040 --> 00:00:52,839 Speaker 1: affected by that, just to wake up one day and 15 00:00:52,960 --> 00:00:55,800 Speaker 1: know that that's how you being spoken about and have 16 00:00:56,080 --> 00:00:57,840 Speaker 1: obviously just done nothing to deserve that. 17 00:00:58,760 --> 00:00:59,760 Speaker 2: That really sucked. 18 00:01:01,280 --> 00:01:03,040 Speaker 1: And you know, we had a good chat about with 19 00:01:03,040 --> 00:01:04,720 Speaker 1: the women and our team as well, and it's really 20 00:01:04,720 --> 00:01:08,680 Speaker 1: great to hear from them and get their perspective and 21 00:01:08,720 --> 00:01:12,160 Speaker 1: remind Woody and I of that as two guys talking 22 00:01:12,200 --> 00:01:17,200 Speaker 1: about this, and I think that as two guys we 23 00:01:17,920 --> 00:01:19,480 Speaker 1: who have a lot of young. 24 00:01:19,319 --> 00:01:20,479 Speaker 2: Men listening to us. 25 00:01:20,680 --> 00:01:23,360 Speaker 1: I think we would we kind of put our heads 26 00:01:23,360 --> 00:01:26,080 Speaker 1: in the sand and sort of feel scared to talk 27 00:01:26,080 --> 00:01:30,319 Speaker 1: about this, or we can recognize our influence on a 28 00:01:30,319 --> 00:01:32,000 Speaker 1: lot of young men and try and do our part 29 00:01:32,040 --> 00:01:33,480 Speaker 1: to stop this sort of stuff. 30 00:01:33,200 --> 00:01:34,440 Speaker 2: From happening again. 31 00:01:35,760 --> 00:01:38,320 Speaker 1: And the first part I want to say in that 32 00:01:38,440 --> 00:01:40,560 Speaker 1: to all the young men listening is to admit to 33 00:01:40,640 --> 00:01:42,760 Speaker 1: you guys, that Woody and I grew up in a 34 00:01:42,800 --> 00:01:46,199 Speaker 1: similar climate. And I think that maybe there aren't men 35 00:01:46,720 --> 00:01:52,080 Speaker 1: who would admit that, and so we know this doesn't 36 00:01:52,120 --> 00:01:55,360 Speaker 1: excuse it, but we know how inescapable that kind of 37 00:01:55,480 --> 00:01:57,880 Speaker 1: language and that kind of approach to women is. And 38 00:01:57,920 --> 00:02:02,280 Speaker 1: I think I just wish that age that I had 39 00:02:02,320 --> 00:02:09,880 Speaker 1: somebody who was there to educate me, even though you 40 00:02:07,960 --> 00:02:12,040 Speaker 1: know you have the right people who eventually end up 41 00:02:12,080 --> 00:02:14,880 Speaker 1: in your life who tell you how rank that is 42 00:02:15,720 --> 00:02:18,080 Speaker 1: it is. I don't think there's enough of a premium 43 00:02:18,120 --> 00:02:20,560 Speaker 1: taught early enough to boys. 44 00:02:20,440 --> 00:02:23,280 Speaker 4: About how to think about women. 45 00:02:23,639 --> 00:02:27,200 Speaker 1: And I think that's really the big problem here, And 46 00:02:27,240 --> 00:02:30,400 Speaker 1: I think it's almost irresponsible just to lean on this 47 00:02:30,560 --> 00:02:33,560 Speaker 1: idea of I'm sure that there will be a punishment 48 00:02:33,600 --> 00:02:35,200 Speaker 1: for these boys, and there should be a punishment for 49 00:02:35,240 --> 00:02:35,680 Speaker 1: these boys. 50 00:02:35,680 --> 00:02:36,800 Speaker 2: But that is for. 51 00:02:36,720 --> 00:02:39,320 Speaker 1: Me, a lazy solution in a lot of ways, punishing 52 00:02:39,320 --> 00:02:42,280 Speaker 1: these kids when they're sixteen, seventeen, eighteen, when they should 53 00:02:42,280 --> 00:02:48,440 Speaker 1: be thinking about how we're stopping boys younger from objectifying 54 00:02:48,760 --> 00:02:52,359 Speaker 1: and thinking about women as objects and categorizing them. And 55 00:02:52,480 --> 00:02:55,080 Speaker 1: I think that only can start by educating them in 56 00:02:55,120 --> 00:02:55,800 Speaker 1: the right way. 57 00:02:56,320 --> 00:02:58,040 Speaker 5: And someone who's done a lot of work in this 58 00:02:58,120 --> 00:03:02,000 Speaker 5: area is doctor Stephanie Wescott, Lecturer in Education Culture at 59 00:03:02,080 --> 00:03:02,880 Speaker 5: monash Uni. 60 00:03:03,480 --> 00:03:05,239 Speaker 6: First of all, welcome doctor Stephanie. 61 00:03:06,040 --> 00:03:07,520 Speaker 7: Hi, thanks so much for having me. 62 00:03:08,080 --> 00:03:09,040 Speaker 6: You are so welcome. 63 00:03:09,800 --> 00:03:12,880 Speaker 5: First question, just to continue on from what Will was saying, 64 00:03:13,280 --> 00:03:18,400 Speaker 5: how do we stop boys objectifying women or speaking about women. 65 00:03:18,280 --> 00:03:18,760 Speaker 6: In this way? 66 00:03:20,080 --> 00:03:22,359 Speaker 7: Well, this is a really big question and it's one 67 00:03:22,400 --> 00:03:25,320 Speaker 7: that we're grappling with as a nation because we have 68 00:03:26,000 --> 00:03:29,440 Speaker 7: a crisis of violence against women in this country and 69 00:03:29,520 --> 00:03:32,160 Speaker 7: these two things that we're talking to like you're talking 70 00:03:32,200 --> 00:03:35,560 Speaker 7: about what's happening in this one school, but it's happening 71 00:03:35,560 --> 00:03:38,240 Speaker 7: in lots of schools around Australia, I would say most 72 00:03:38,240 --> 00:03:41,120 Speaker 7: of them. And we're talking about one woman being killed 73 00:03:41,120 --> 00:03:43,520 Speaker 7: every four days. And these two things are directly related 74 00:03:43,920 --> 00:03:47,360 Speaker 7: because if we objectify women. It means where that's grounded 75 00:03:47,360 --> 00:03:49,320 Speaker 7: in disrespect towards them, and we know that that's what 76 00:03:49,360 --> 00:03:52,960 Speaker 7: eventually would escalate to violence against women. So we need 77 00:03:53,000 --> 00:03:55,920 Speaker 7: to change our national conversation how we talk about women, 78 00:03:56,000 --> 00:03:58,760 Speaker 7: and that starts in the home with families. How we're 79 00:03:58,760 --> 00:04:02,120 Speaker 7: talking to our wife, some sisters and partners. How are 80 00:04:02,120 --> 00:04:05,440 Speaker 7: we talking about women and to them? But there's a 81 00:04:05,520 --> 00:04:07,880 Speaker 7: role at schools obviously have to play here as well. 82 00:04:07,920 --> 00:04:10,119 Speaker 7: Schools are already doing lots of good stuff, but there's 83 00:04:10,160 --> 00:04:13,800 Speaker 7: lots more that we can do. But yeah, it's got 84 00:04:13,840 --> 00:04:16,919 Speaker 7: to be a whole like a nationwide approach and a 85 00:04:17,000 --> 00:04:19,000 Speaker 7: school like a school wide approach as well. 86 00:04:19,760 --> 00:04:22,680 Speaker 1: So Doctor Stephanie, one of the things that sort of 87 00:04:22,720 --> 00:04:24,640 Speaker 1: comes up, and we actually talked to Kate Langbrook a 88 00:04:24,680 --> 00:04:26,359 Speaker 1: little bit about this later in the show, and I 89 00:04:26,520 --> 00:04:29,159 Speaker 1: mentioned it before, is this idea of pawn As you 90 00:04:29,240 --> 00:04:30,960 Speaker 1: just mentioned, we were saying, there was a CD that 91 00:04:31,000 --> 00:04:32,839 Speaker 1: got handed around I think when I was like fourteen, 92 00:04:32,880 --> 00:04:35,599 Speaker 1: and that was pretty much my first introduction to watching 93 00:04:35,600 --> 00:04:40,520 Speaker 1: people have sex. And you know, you're not naturally teenagers 94 00:04:40,560 --> 00:04:43,800 Speaker 1: are uncomfortable talking to adults about sex. But I remember, 95 00:04:43,839 --> 00:04:45,839 Speaker 1: you know, one of the first videos I watched, and 96 00:04:45,880 --> 00:04:49,039 Speaker 1: again I'm just warning for kids listening and stuff, maybe 97 00:04:49,040 --> 00:04:50,720 Speaker 1: this is a good thing. There was like a lot 98 00:04:50,760 --> 00:04:54,760 Speaker 1: of choking involved and like slapping and stuff that I 99 00:04:54,880 --> 00:04:59,280 Speaker 1: just you know, just given that that's the first thing 100 00:04:59,279 --> 00:05:01,960 Speaker 1: that you're looking at, it gets so quickly normalized. 101 00:05:02,080 --> 00:05:04,239 Speaker 4: And then how does that then. 102 00:05:04,200 --> 00:05:08,960 Speaker 1: Turn into objectifying a person and more importantly, how do 103 00:05:09,000 --> 00:05:13,920 Speaker 1: you sort of reverse that into trying to educate guys 104 00:05:14,160 --> 00:05:17,040 Speaker 1: to see women as more than just something that they 105 00:05:17,040 --> 00:05:18,480 Speaker 1: should desire. 106 00:05:20,040 --> 00:05:21,039 Speaker 2: And make them an object. 107 00:05:21,920 --> 00:05:24,520 Speaker 7: Well, I think it doesn't even have to be pornography. 108 00:05:24,680 --> 00:05:27,520 Speaker 7: Like with in my research, we've been looking at people 109 00:05:27,560 --> 00:05:30,719 Speaker 7: like Andrew Tate and how the things that they that he's, 110 00:05:30,760 --> 00:05:33,800 Speaker 7: the thing that he says, how that changes how boys 111 00:05:34,000 --> 00:05:37,960 Speaker 7: see and treat women and girls. So it doesn't have 112 00:05:38,080 --> 00:05:40,640 Speaker 7: to be those extreme things like violent pornography. It can 113 00:05:40,720 --> 00:05:43,840 Speaker 7: literally be what they see on Instagram or on TikTok, 114 00:05:44,279 --> 00:05:47,040 Speaker 7: or what they see broader in our society, like how 115 00:05:47,240 --> 00:05:50,720 Speaker 7: men maybe in the AFL treat women and then you 116 00:05:50,800 --> 00:05:53,400 Speaker 7: know those men are allowed to continue playing football, for example, 117 00:05:53,760 --> 00:05:55,680 Speaker 7: or how the boys around them at school talk about 118 00:05:55,720 --> 00:05:59,080 Speaker 7: girls and women. One thing that we do really need 119 00:05:59,120 --> 00:06:01,960 Speaker 7: to do, which I think you probably would have benefited 120 00:06:02,000 --> 00:06:03,680 Speaker 7: from and a lot of other boys too, is having 121 00:06:04,080 --> 00:06:08,880 Speaker 7: open conversations without judgment and without reprimand about what boys 122 00:06:08,920 --> 00:06:12,120 Speaker 7: are seeing online and how it's making them think about 123 00:06:12,279 --> 00:06:14,840 Speaker 7: girls and women and what ideas I have about girls 124 00:06:14,839 --> 00:06:17,080 Speaker 7: and women that comes from that sort of stuff, and 125 00:06:17,120 --> 00:06:19,720 Speaker 7: that stuff happens in schools already. Teachers are really good 126 00:06:19,720 --> 00:06:22,440 Speaker 7: at doing that kind of stuff. Parents have a role 127 00:06:22,480 --> 00:06:24,760 Speaker 7: there as well to have conversations, but it has to 128 00:06:24,760 --> 00:06:27,560 Speaker 7: be open, and it has to be without judgment. And 129 00:06:27,600 --> 00:06:30,560 Speaker 7: when we have conversations like that, it's a good opportunity 130 00:06:30,600 --> 00:06:32,919 Speaker 7: to say, you know what, that's not realistic, that's not 131 00:06:32,960 --> 00:06:36,480 Speaker 7: a true depiction of women, that's not on And so 132 00:06:36,800 --> 00:06:38,880 Speaker 7: if we let it all out in the air, that's 133 00:06:38,920 --> 00:06:39,880 Speaker 7: a really helpful start. 134 00:06:40,920 --> 00:06:43,520 Speaker 1: All right, Cool, doctor Stephanie, Can you say with us 135 00:06:43,560 --> 00:06:45,280 Speaker 1: because we would love you too. 136 00:06:45,279 --> 00:06:46,839 Speaker 2: I think we've got so many more questions. 137 00:06:46,880 --> 00:06:49,479 Speaker 1: I think this is comfortably the most important conversation that 138 00:06:49,600 --> 00:06:52,600 Speaker 1: any of us can be having right now. Question from Asha, 139 00:06:52,680 --> 00:06:55,679 Speaker 1: who's called Asha. Welcome to Will and Woody. 140 00:06:56,880 --> 00:06:59,280 Speaker 8: Thank you very much. First or form, I would like 141 00:06:59,360 --> 00:07:02,600 Speaker 8: to thank you for even speaking about it. It's very 142 00:07:02,640 --> 00:07:05,239 Speaker 8: important we talk about it. I've got a young child 143 00:07:05,320 --> 00:07:09,120 Speaker 8: goes to a boys' school, and this comes in a 144 00:07:09,160 --> 00:07:12,320 Speaker 8: very right time. And my question is to doctor Stephanie, 145 00:07:12,400 --> 00:07:15,000 Speaker 8: what seems to be the right age. There's a lot 146 00:07:15,000 --> 00:07:20,880 Speaker 8: of debate about introducing content like this, you know, about 147 00:07:20,960 --> 00:07:25,360 Speaker 8: poor or how to deal with women objectifying women. What 148 00:07:25,520 --> 00:07:28,559 Speaker 8: is the right age to know you to talk about 149 00:07:28,720 --> 00:07:33,119 Speaker 8: talk about these stuff without hyper sexualizing the content, because 150 00:07:33,160 --> 00:07:35,400 Speaker 8: it can go the other way as well. You know, 151 00:07:35,600 --> 00:07:37,760 Speaker 8: it can also got a way where you know, you're 152 00:07:37,760 --> 00:07:41,080 Speaker 8: introducing them to concepts beyond their age, and they've got 153 00:07:42,040 --> 00:07:44,440 Speaker 8: get more interested. So I would like to hear your 154 00:07:44,440 --> 00:07:44,960 Speaker 8: opinion on that. 155 00:07:46,040 --> 00:07:48,680 Speaker 7: Yeah, I don't think you can start. I don't think 156 00:07:48,680 --> 00:07:49,360 Speaker 7: there's any limit. 157 00:07:49,400 --> 00:07:49,560 Speaker 9: Really. 158 00:07:49,640 --> 00:07:51,640 Speaker 7: I think you can start as as soon as they're 159 00:07:51,680 --> 00:07:55,200 Speaker 7: able to comprehend these kinds of conversations. But obviously it's 160 00:07:55,200 --> 00:07:57,440 Speaker 7: always got to be age appropriate. So I mean, I've 161 00:07:57,480 --> 00:08:00,720 Speaker 7: got a little boy myself, he's two years old, and 162 00:08:00,800 --> 00:08:05,240 Speaker 7: so I'm talking to him about gentle hands, being being kind, 163 00:08:06,280 --> 00:08:09,400 Speaker 7: not hurting others, you know, when we're in the playground, 164 00:08:09,920 --> 00:08:13,800 Speaker 7: teaching him how to play kindly, how to you know, 165 00:08:14,320 --> 00:08:17,600 Speaker 7: you know, Obviously, kids will always have accidents and they're 166 00:08:17,640 --> 00:08:21,120 Speaker 7: testing out and trying out behavior, but there really is 167 00:08:21,160 --> 00:08:24,120 Speaker 7: no limit on when we should start having these conversations. 168 00:08:24,160 --> 00:08:27,840 Speaker 7: It's just about making sure their age appropriate. And once 169 00:08:27,880 --> 00:08:30,560 Speaker 7: you are having these conversations with your children, they know 170 00:08:30,640 --> 00:08:32,440 Speaker 7: that you're a safe person they can come to. So 171 00:08:32,480 --> 00:08:35,040 Speaker 7: if they do see something at school, or see something 172 00:08:35,080 --> 00:08:37,440 Speaker 7: online or here's something, they can come to you and 173 00:08:37,520 --> 00:08:40,040 Speaker 7: ask Denique colearly what you would like them to do. 174 00:08:40,120 --> 00:08:42,400 Speaker 2: I'd also just want to jump in there a shaw. 175 00:08:42,480 --> 00:08:43,720 Speaker 1: I'm not sure if you heard this, but we had 176 00:08:43,800 --> 00:08:46,880 Speaker 1: Jumie Stein's on the show the other day. She wrote 177 00:08:46,920 --> 00:08:50,640 Speaker 1: a children's book with doctor Melissa Kang, who is the 178 00:08:50,960 --> 00:08:53,800 Speaker 1: old sort of dolly doctor, and it's a it's a 179 00:08:53,880 --> 00:08:59,960 Speaker 1: kid's book called Welcome to Consent, which was fascinating conversation 180 00:09:00,240 --> 00:09:02,120 Speaker 1: for us to have, obviously with little girls as well. 181 00:09:02,120 --> 00:09:03,120 Speaker 2: It was it was better. 182 00:09:03,120 --> 00:09:05,480 Speaker 1: I feel like Umi was right on the front foot 183 00:09:05,480 --> 00:09:08,000 Speaker 1: there and totally agreeing with doctor Stephanie in terms of obviously, 184 00:09:09,160 --> 00:09:11,080 Speaker 1: there's a way how to do it depending on the age, 185 00:09:11,120 --> 00:09:13,680 Speaker 1: but for you aren't she She was like that, I 186 00:09:13,720 --> 00:09:16,120 Speaker 1: don't see why you could be any you can't be 187 00:09:16,160 --> 00:09:19,080 Speaker 1: too young totally, just sort of massage in some way. 188 00:09:19,240 --> 00:09:23,439 Speaker 1: I've got Isabelle, who's called as well Dr Stephanie Wescott 189 00:09:23,480 --> 00:09:27,320 Speaker 1: here talking about violence against women in particular educating young 190 00:09:27,360 --> 00:09:30,760 Speaker 1: boys in the light of this Yarrow Valley grammar situation. 191 00:09:30,920 --> 00:09:32,640 Speaker 2: Isabelle, You've got doctor Stephanie. 192 00:09:33,480 --> 00:09:36,040 Speaker 10: Hi, guys, firstly, will and Woodie, thanks so much for 193 00:09:36,080 --> 00:09:38,680 Speaker 10: having this conversation. We need more male role models like you, 194 00:09:38,760 --> 00:09:42,439 Speaker 10: guys around Doctor Stephanie. 195 00:09:42,600 --> 00:09:44,640 Speaker 9: I am a I'm the head. 196 00:09:44,440 --> 00:09:48,000 Speaker 10: Of wellbeing curriculum at an all boys school, so this 197 00:09:48,280 --> 00:09:51,720 Speaker 10: is a story that was really interested in and we 198 00:09:51,800 --> 00:09:55,560 Speaker 10: do lots of wellbeing curriculum in this space. But you know, 199 00:09:55,640 --> 00:09:58,440 Speaker 10: I'm thinking about the message coming from me and coming 200 00:09:58,480 --> 00:10:01,560 Speaker 10: from mums and at from having you know, great men 201 00:10:01,600 --> 00:10:03,840 Speaker 10: like Willen. What are you delivering this message? How do 202 00:10:04,000 --> 00:10:09,200 Speaker 10: women actually cut through to particularly adolescent boys and men 203 00:10:09,240 --> 00:10:10,199 Speaker 10: with these messages. 204 00:10:12,200 --> 00:10:14,880 Speaker 7: Well, that's a great question, and thank you so much 205 00:10:14,960 --> 00:10:17,960 Speaker 7: for the work that you're doing. It's really important and 206 00:10:18,200 --> 00:10:20,160 Speaker 7: you know, I'm sure the news today would have affected 207 00:10:20,160 --> 00:10:23,439 Speaker 7: all of you quite a lot. But something that's come 208 00:10:23,480 --> 00:10:25,880 Speaker 7: through in our research is that women in schools like 209 00:10:25,920 --> 00:10:28,600 Speaker 7: yourself really want men to step up their male colleagues 210 00:10:29,559 --> 00:10:31,360 Speaker 7: and the men around them who are working in schools, 211 00:10:31,400 --> 00:10:33,640 Speaker 7: and to have this conversation with them as well. So 212 00:10:33,640 --> 00:10:35,360 Speaker 7: it's got to come from both the men and from 213 00:10:35,400 --> 00:10:38,280 Speaker 7: the women. It's just as important for boys to hear 214 00:10:38,400 --> 00:10:41,960 Speaker 7: these messages from you as it is from your colleagues. 215 00:10:42,280 --> 00:10:45,959 Speaker 7: And there's no reason why boys in your school shouldn't 216 00:10:46,000 --> 00:10:49,200 Speaker 7: be trusting and listening to the message, whether it's coming 217 00:10:49,200 --> 00:10:53,040 Speaker 7: from you or from your male colleagues. You know, the 218 00:10:53,160 --> 00:10:54,840 Speaker 7: host of this show will and what you're doing an 219 00:10:54,880 --> 00:10:57,959 Speaker 7: amazing job of leading this conversation. But it's worth noting 220 00:10:57,960 --> 00:10:59,920 Speaker 7: too that that both the callers you've had so far 221 00:11:00,080 --> 00:11:02,640 Speaker 7: have been women, asking questions, how do we do a 222 00:11:02,640 --> 00:11:04,800 Speaker 7: better job, how do we teach our sons, how do 223 00:11:04,800 --> 00:11:07,800 Speaker 7: we teach our boys? So men have to be part 224 00:11:07,800 --> 00:11:10,880 Speaker 7: of this conversation. They haven't been in your callers so far. 225 00:11:10,920 --> 00:11:12,640 Speaker 7: That doesn't mean that there's not some men on the line. 226 00:11:12,760 --> 00:11:14,880 Speaker 5: I can tell you, Steph that I'm looking at all 227 00:11:14,880 --> 00:11:15,559 Speaker 5: the calls coming through. 228 00:11:15,559 --> 00:11:17,920 Speaker 6: They're all women. Well, I think that's a fascinating point 229 00:11:17,960 --> 00:11:18,480 Speaker 6: you've just made. 230 00:11:18,559 --> 00:11:21,720 Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, I've got one more question for you. If 231 00:11:21,720 --> 00:11:24,679 Speaker 5: we've got if we've got time, doctor Steph, if you're 232 00:11:24,679 --> 00:11:28,720 Speaker 5: the principal of Yarra Valley Grammar, I'm not one hundred 233 00:11:28,720 --> 00:11:30,120 Speaker 5: cent yel, but I'm pretty sure these boys have been 234 00:11:30,120 --> 00:11:34,040 Speaker 5: suspended over what they've done. What's what do you do 235 00:11:34,160 --> 00:11:36,599 Speaker 5: in that situation? What's your punishment for those boys or 236 00:11:36,640 --> 00:11:38,000 Speaker 5: what are you how are you dealing with those boys? 237 00:11:38,640 --> 00:11:42,000 Speaker 7: I think what the principle has done so far is 238 00:11:42,320 --> 00:11:44,560 Speaker 7: a very strong response, and we need a really strong 239 00:11:44,600 --> 00:11:48,199 Speaker 7: response because this is very serious behavior. What this principle 240 00:11:48,240 --> 00:11:50,520 Speaker 7: has done, which is not often what we sees to 241 00:11:50,800 --> 00:11:53,480 Speaker 7: involve police. So he's reported this matter to police because 242 00:11:53,480 --> 00:11:56,760 Speaker 7: of that violent language that was used in one of 243 00:11:56,760 --> 00:11:59,680 Speaker 7: those categories. Whether or not there will be charges laid 244 00:12:00,160 --> 00:12:02,440 Speaker 7: is irrelevant, and the principle doesn't expect there to be 245 00:12:02,520 --> 00:12:05,560 Speaker 7: charges laid. But it's actually about the escalation of this 246 00:12:05,640 --> 00:12:08,439 Speaker 7: type of behavior and not just dealing with it in 247 00:12:08,480 --> 00:12:11,480 Speaker 7: school and keeping it is like, you know, let's let's 248 00:12:11,679 --> 00:12:14,640 Speaker 7: suspend the more assyglument attention and letting boys know this 249 00:12:14,679 --> 00:12:18,200 Speaker 7: is gendered violence, this is violence against women. This is 250 00:12:18,240 --> 00:12:21,160 Speaker 7: a very serious problem. It's not just you mucking around 251 00:12:21,160 --> 00:12:23,360 Speaker 7: with your friends. So I think what the principle has 252 00:12:23,400 --> 00:12:26,320 Speaker 7: done is perfect. There's been a lot of conversation about 253 00:12:27,120 --> 00:12:30,840 Speaker 7: expulsion in order to protect the girls who are remaining 254 00:12:30,960 --> 00:12:33,840 Speaker 7: at that school and to protect their safety, and that's 255 00:12:33,840 --> 00:12:35,960 Speaker 7: a decision for the principle of that school to make. 256 00:12:35,960 --> 00:12:40,000 Speaker 7: But what I will say is wherever those boys go, 257 00:12:40,080 --> 00:12:42,640 Speaker 7: whichever school it is, there is likely to be the 258 00:12:42,640 --> 00:12:45,280 Speaker 7: same issue there, because this is a nation wide issue 259 00:12:45,280 --> 00:12:47,880 Speaker 7: that we are having in school. It's not just this school. 260 00:12:49,360 --> 00:12:51,000 Speaker 2: Steph, I know, sorry. 261 00:12:51,040 --> 00:12:54,360 Speaker 1: One hundred Respect is the number to call if you've 262 00:12:54,360 --> 00:12:59,160 Speaker 1: experienced any sort of domestic violence or abuse. 263 00:13:00,000 --> 00:13:01,520 Speaker 2: And doctor Sevanie, I know. 264 00:13:01,679 --> 00:13:03,360 Speaker 1: Sorry, this has been going for a while, but I 265 00:13:03,400 --> 00:13:06,720 Speaker 1: just want to keep asking you questions. Something for me, 266 00:13:06,840 --> 00:13:12,240 Speaker 1: which I think was important as a young boy growing up, 267 00:13:13,040 --> 00:13:16,040 Speaker 1: was this is going to get a bit personal, but 268 00:13:16,040 --> 00:13:20,679 Speaker 1: I think it's important. One of my friends, who was 269 00:13:20,720 --> 00:13:26,040 Speaker 1: a girl crying to me about something that another guy 270 00:13:26,120 --> 00:13:28,400 Speaker 1: had said or something that she'd found out that dad said, 271 00:13:29,040 --> 00:13:31,200 Speaker 1: and I think that was maybe the beginning of a 272 00:13:31,240 --> 00:13:33,880 Speaker 1: turning point for me where I was like, and this 273 00:13:33,920 --> 00:13:35,400 Speaker 1: is going to sound hectic, and I don't know why 274 00:13:35,400 --> 00:13:38,040 Speaker 1: I've admitting this on radio, but as a young guy 275 00:13:38,960 --> 00:13:41,040 Speaker 1: I was. I went to an all boys school, and 276 00:13:41,280 --> 00:13:43,240 Speaker 1: I didn't have a lot of contact with I mean, luckily, 277 00:13:43,280 --> 00:13:45,080 Speaker 1: I had an older sister who would have whipped me 278 00:13:45,120 --> 00:13:47,240 Speaker 1: into shape very smart if she had heard or thought 279 00:13:47,280 --> 00:13:49,600 Speaker 1: that I was thinking any of these things. But I 280 00:13:49,640 --> 00:13:52,760 Speaker 1: think that one of the key elements to moving past 281 00:13:52,960 --> 00:13:57,040 Speaker 1: objectification in any sense is knowing that there's a person 282 00:13:57,120 --> 00:13:59,240 Speaker 1: behind the thing that you're trying to put a label on, 283 00:13:59,280 --> 00:14:02,080 Speaker 1: because then you no longer see it as black or white. 284 00:14:02,120 --> 00:14:04,320 Speaker 1: You kind of see it as nuanced and personal and 285 00:14:04,360 --> 00:14:06,160 Speaker 1: sort of unlocks a human element in. 286 00:14:06,080 --> 00:14:07,640 Speaker 2: You which you can't deny. 287 00:14:08,440 --> 00:14:11,319 Speaker 1: So for me, the most interesting, oh I think this 288 00:14:11,440 --> 00:14:13,480 Speaker 1: allusion to this, and please correct me if I'm wrong, 289 00:14:14,160 --> 00:14:17,760 Speaker 1: is trying to show these boys that there are people 290 00:14:17,920 --> 00:14:22,640 Speaker 1: behind the girls that they are talking about in this 291 00:14:22,720 --> 00:14:28,640 Speaker 1: way and moving them from objects to actually individuals. Is 292 00:14:28,680 --> 00:14:30,400 Speaker 1: there a way that we can try and get I mean, 293 00:14:30,440 --> 00:14:31,800 Speaker 1: as I said before, Wood and I went to an 294 00:14:31,800 --> 00:14:34,280 Speaker 1: all boys school, and so our access to girls our 295 00:14:34,360 --> 00:14:37,320 Speaker 1: age was really seriously limited unless we were doing a 296 00:14:37,320 --> 00:14:40,960 Speaker 1: school play or socializing with them. But you know, often 297 00:14:41,000 --> 00:14:43,200 Speaker 1: we sort of you know teenage drinking or fleetingly on 298 00:14:43,240 --> 00:14:44,680 Speaker 1: a tram. 299 00:14:45,320 --> 00:14:46,320 Speaker 4: Is there a way that we. 300 00:14:46,280 --> 00:14:52,400 Speaker 1: Can try and get like more nuanced conversations between genders 301 00:14:52,920 --> 00:14:55,240 Speaker 1: at that age. We actually brought up our team or 302 00:14:55,240 --> 00:14:57,240 Speaker 1: someone in our team brought up the first series of 303 00:14:57,440 --> 00:15:01,040 Speaker 1: Heartbreak High on Netflix recently, how that show was all 304 00:15:01,080 --> 00:15:04,520 Speaker 1: about that, bringing both sides of the gene together to 305 00:15:04,560 --> 00:15:06,800 Speaker 1: talk about sex and see in each other what they're 306 00:15:06,840 --> 00:15:09,240 Speaker 1: scared of and who they are as people. Is there 307 00:15:09,240 --> 00:15:12,200 Speaker 1: any chance of this happening earlier on in high schools 308 00:15:12,200 --> 00:15:12,880 Speaker 1: for these kids? 309 00:15:14,040 --> 00:15:16,600 Speaker 7: Well, I think what you're saying is really useful. But 310 00:15:16,720 --> 00:15:20,680 Speaker 7: in this case of yar a Valley grammar, these girls 311 00:15:20,680 --> 00:15:24,560 Speaker 7: are thise boys, they're peers. So you can't get any 312 00:15:24,600 --> 00:15:26,880 Speaker 7: more human than the girl sitting next to you trying 313 00:15:26,920 --> 00:15:30,640 Speaker 7: to learn and get an education with you. So really, 314 00:15:30,680 --> 00:15:33,400 Speaker 7: I think this is about how does our society you 315 00:15:33,600 --> 00:15:36,280 Speaker 7: entreat women. What are the underlying messages the boys are 316 00:15:36,280 --> 00:15:41,360 Speaker 7: receiving from really young about girls being inferior, girls being 317 00:15:42,040 --> 00:15:47,400 Speaker 7: objectified in Australian society and culture. You need to start there. 318 00:15:47,560 --> 00:15:50,600 Speaker 1: And before they get to high school, you're saying, because 319 00:15:50,600 --> 00:15:52,680 Speaker 1: you're saying, they've already got the blinkers on before they 320 00:15:52,680 --> 00:15:55,080 Speaker 1: get to the classroom where they're sharing it with another girl, 321 00:15:55,160 --> 00:15:57,120 Speaker 1: they are already thinking a certain way about them. 322 00:15:57,640 --> 00:15:59,960 Speaker 7: Yeah. In our research, we've spoken to women who were 323 00:16:00,120 --> 00:16:03,200 Speaker 7: in primary schools and boys in those schools are you know, 324 00:16:03,280 --> 00:16:07,840 Speaker 7: parroting Andrew Tate comments and ideology. So this absolutely has 325 00:16:07,880 --> 00:16:09,360 Speaker 7: to start in primary school. 326 00:16:09,960 --> 00:16:13,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, doctor seventy, this has been a really informative, if 327 00:16:14,560 --> 00:16:16,560 Speaker 1: slightly terrifying chat. 328 00:16:17,520 --> 00:16:17,920 Speaker 2: Yeah. 329 00:16:18,120 --> 00:16:20,640 Speaker 1: Hopefully there are people listening who can take some action 330 00:16:20,720 --> 00:16:23,040 Speaker 1: in whatever field they're in right now. We really appreciate 331 00:16:23,120 --> 00:16:23,400 Speaker 1: your time. 332 00:16:23,440 --> 00:16:23,680 Speaker 2: Doctor. 333 00:16:23,680 --> 00:16:27,160 Speaker 1: Stephanie West got lecture and Education Culture at Wanash University 334 00:16:27,200 --> 00:16:29,080 Speaker 1: on what we were saying. The most important conversation I 335 00:16:29,080 --> 00:16:30,920 Speaker 1: think right now in this country, if not the world, 336 00:16:30,960 --> 00:16:33,400 Speaker 1: one one hundred respect is the number to call if 337 00:16:33,440 --> 00:16:35,880 Speaker 1: you're a victim. I've always suspect any sort of domestic 338 00:16:36,360 --> 00:16:38,600 Speaker 1: abuse or physical violence. If you're a woman, we call 339 00:16:38,640 --> 00:16:40,720 Speaker 1: Lifeline thirteen eleven fourteen. If any of that has affected you, 340 00:16:40,760 --> 00:16:41,080 Speaker 1: it's with them. 341 00:16:41,120 --> 00:16:43,080 Speaker 4: What do you kiss? Woods? 342 00:16:43,280 --> 00:16:43,760 Speaker 2: Right now? 343 00:16:44,560 --> 00:16:46,800 Speaker 1: For all of you guys, we're very proud to say 344 00:16:46,800 --> 00:16:49,920 Speaker 1: we've got a brand new podcast, Sure My Move. At 345 00:16:50,000 --> 00:16:52,880 Speaker 1: least a dozen times a day we're asked how we're 346 00:16:52,920 --> 00:16:56,560 Speaker 1: going and almost always we say we're good or. 347 00:16:56,560 --> 00:16:58,880 Speaker 6: In Australia, wait just ask them straight back. 348 00:16:59,080 --> 00:17:00,960 Speaker 4: Here you go, he an't good. 349 00:17:01,600 --> 00:17:05,280 Speaker 5: In this podcast we ask very special guests how they're going, 350 00:17:05,480 --> 00:17:08,359 Speaker 5: but we actually give them the time to share their mood. 351 00:17:08,480 --> 00:17:11,200 Speaker 1: Previously, we've chatted with people like health and well being 352 00:17:11,240 --> 00:17:13,240 Speaker 1: experts step Class Smithy. 353 00:17:12,880 --> 00:17:16,399 Speaker 11: Feel incredibly sick but also mentally. I was just a 354 00:17:16,560 --> 00:17:19,159 Speaker 11: mess every night because I just felt like I was 355 00:17:19,200 --> 00:17:20,720 Speaker 11: continuously disappointing myself. 356 00:17:20,800 --> 00:17:25,239 Speaker 4: Olympic boxer Harry Garside really been struggling. This has been 357 00:17:25,280 --> 00:17:26,359 Speaker 4: the hardest year of my life. 358 00:17:26,359 --> 00:17:28,879 Speaker 12: And you know what, I know I'm competitive and i 359 00:17:28,920 --> 00:17:31,199 Speaker 12: know I'm an athlete, but for me to say that 360 00:17:31,280 --> 00:17:34,000 Speaker 12: out loud, it's like, I feel like this situation beat me. 361 00:17:34,280 --> 00:17:35,800 Speaker 4: Written Laura from the Pickup. 362 00:17:35,920 --> 00:17:39,720 Speaker 10: I can already feel myself gaining upset, but this was 363 00:17:39,800 --> 00:17:40,920 Speaker 10: a vulnerable place. 364 00:17:41,000 --> 00:17:41,200 Speaker 12: Yeah. 365 00:17:41,240 --> 00:17:44,280 Speaker 13: Yeah, I feel very unlovable. 366 00:17:43,720 --> 00:17:46,080 Speaker 10: And something must be wrong with me, like I'm the 367 00:17:46,080 --> 00:17:46,960 Speaker 10: common denominator. 368 00:17:47,240 --> 00:17:49,800 Speaker 5: Legendary Australian comedian Will Anderson. 369 00:17:49,840 --> 00:17:51,160 Speaker 11: It's a nice thing to say, because I'm not sure 370 00:17:51,200 --> 00:17:53,840 Speaker 11: that I've actually said it out loud recently, and that feels, 371 00:17:54,080 --> 00:17:56,119 Speaker 11: honestly about right now. 372 00:17:55,920 --> 00:17:59,320 Speaker 1: And author and Mega Marathon runner Ned Brockman. 373 00:17:59,440 --> 00:18:03,080 Speaker 12: When you start letting these words of burnout, I think 374 00:18:03,240 --> 00:18:04,720 Speaker 12: it comes back to the power of the mind and 375 00:18:04,760 --> 00:18:07,840 Speaker 12: if you can continuously say these things and be positive. 376 00:18:07,920 --> 00:18:10,240 Speaker 12: Our time here on this planet is very limited, and 377 00:18:10,240 --> 00:18:12,159 Speaker 12: you're a long time dead. I want to make the 378 00:18:12,240 --> 00:18:13,600 Speaker 12: most of the time while I'm here. 379 00:18:14,320 --> 00:18:16,720 Speaker 1: Great listens, brand new season, just search Share my Mood 380 00:18:16,760 --> 00:18:18,720 Speaker 1: wherever you get your podcast. The first episode of the 381 00:18:18,880 --> 00:18:22,600 Speaker 1: second season is up. It's Will Anderson brand new guest 382 00:18:22,680 --> 00:18:24,600 Speaker 1: for you guys today, which you'll be able to download 383 00:18:24,640 --> 00:18:27,840 Speaker 1: tonight or stream tonight on your way home, and that's 384 00:18:27,880 --> 00:18:28,480 Speaker 1: Kate Langbrook. 385 00:18:28,480 --> 00:18:33,359 Speaker 5: Woods love Kate so much, been a big admirer of Kate. 386 00:18:33,160 --> 00:18:36,320 Speaker 6: For a very very long time. I think we can 387 00:18:36,359 --> 00:18:37,640 Speaker 6: almost call each other friends now. 388 00:18:38,400 --> 00:18:40,800 Speaker 5: But I think in the current climate, there is just 389 00:18:40,920 --> 00:18:43,480 Speaker 5: far too much violence against women going on. 390 00:18:43,680 --> 00:18:45,840 Speaker 6: It is horrific. We are in a crisis. 391 00:18:45,920 --> 00:18:48,240 Speaker 5: I think it was really interesting to speak to someone 392 00:18:48,359 --> 00:18:54,400 Speaker 5: as wise as Kate Langbrook, who has four boys yep 393 00:18:54,520 --> 00:18:58,720 Speaker 5: as well, just about this and she sort of starts 394 00:18:58,720 --> 00:19:03,000 Speaker 5: here talking about just the difference between men. 395 00:19:03,359 --> 00:19:06,359 Speaker 4: And women, what I love about. 396 00:19:06,600 --> 00:19:09,359 Speaker 11: But I do think in life that your strength is 397 00:19:09,400 --> 00:19:12,760 Speaker 11: often also your weakness. I just think it is like 398 00:19:13,400 --> 00:19:17,320 Speaker 11: women are kind and soft and gentle, not all of them, 399 00:19:17,359 --> 00:19:20,800 Speaker 11: but kind and soft and gentle and thoughtful and anticipatory 400 00:19:20,800 --> 00:19:23,520 Speaker 11: of other people's needs, and that means they end up 401 00:19:23,560 --> 00:19:26,440 Speaker 11: in professions where they're kind of exploited for. 402 00:19:26,400 --> 00:19:30,240 Speaker 4: That traditionally, childhre overly considerate. 403 00:19:30,840 --> 00:19:34,560 Speaker 11: So your strength is your weakness. For men, their physical 404 00:19:34,640 --> 00:19:41,520 Speaker 11: strength they're grappling with is a literal strength, but it 405 00:19:41,560 --> 00:19:45,240 Speaker 11: can also be their weakness when it's turned against women. 406 00:19:46,760 --> 00:19:49,560 Speaker 11: So for me, the question is what happens in a 407 00:19:49,640 --> 00:19:53,080 Speaker 11: man that that would happen to him. What happens is 408 00:19:53,680 --> 00:19:59,359 Speaker 11: pornography as a foundational confession. So all these men who 409 00:19:59,440 --> 00:20:03,000 Speaker 11: might be keeping and whatever good mean with good intent, going, oh, 410 00:20:03,000 --> 00:20:06,200 Speaker 11: it's terrible, and as men, we need to call this out. Yeah, 411 00:20:06,440 --> 00:20:08,640 Speaker 11: be honest with yourself about what you want. 412 00:20:08,720 --> 00:20:10,439 Speaker 4: And these are good men, not bad me. 413 00:20:10,560 --> 00:20:13,639 Speaker 1: No, no, no, A lot of this is like totally subconscious, 414 00:20:13,680 --> 00:20:15,560 Speaker 1: totally subliminal, And I feel like, I mean, I know 415 00:20:15,600 --> 00:20:17,720 Speaker 1: you've got boys as well, but I had to have 416 00:20:17,760 --> 00:20:21,439 Speaker 1: a pretty confronting conversation with my partner a couple of 417 00:20:21,440 --> 00:20:23,600 Speaker 1: months ago when she sent me a podcast about sex, 418 00:20:23,640 --> 00:20:25,399 Speaker 1: which is on Diary of a CEO, which was with 419 00:20:25,480 --> 00:20:28,480 Speaker 1: this orgasm expert. I'm pretty sure I told the whole 420 00:20:28,480 --> 00:20:30,400 Speaker 1: team about it because I was so blown away by it, 421 00:20:30,880 --> 00:20:32,960 Speaker 1: and this chick just she was just like, can you 422 00:20:33,000 --> 00:20:35,320 Speaker 1: listen to this? Were sort of like struggling to have 423 00:20:35,359 --> 00:20:38,400 Speaker 1: sort of like real intimacy and desire in our. 424 00:20:38,320 --> 00:20:39,679 Speaker 4: Relationship after we had baby. 425 00:20:39,920 --> 00:20:42,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, and anyway, I was just going in there with 426 00:20:42,240 --> 00:20:45,960 Speaker 1: my I now realize fifteen year old boy understanding of sex, 427 00:20:46,000 --> 00:20:49,080 Speaker 1: which I picked up from listening to my mates talk 428 00:20:49,119 --> 00:20:51,960 Speaker 1: about how they had sex. And you know, everything else 429 00:20:52,000 --> 00:20:53,880 Speaker 1: in your life you watch people as to how they 430 00:20:53,920 --> 00:20:56,520 Speaker 1: do it, but sex, you're not watching anybody up close 431 00:20:56,560 --> 00:20:56,760 Speaker 1: to it. 432 00:20:56,800 --> 00:20:58,320 Speaker 4: You're not supposed to know exactly. 433 00:20:58,480 --> 00:21:03,080 Speaker 11: It's actually contrary to everything, everything that you know, essence 434 00:21:03,119 --> 00:21:06,760 Speaker 11: of yourself, even though it's like seven eleven, open all 435 00:21:06,840 --> 00:21:09,359 Speaker 11: night to say junk food, but you know you're not 436 00:21:09,400 --> 00:21:09,879 Speaker 11: supposed to. 437 00:21:10,160 --> 00:21:10,920 Speaker 4: But I can. 438 00:21:11,160 --> 00:21:13,680 Speaker 11: And so now we live in a society where because 439 00:21:13,720 --> 00:21:15,439 Speaker 11: we can, we think we should. 440 00:21:15,640 --> 00:21:18,719 Speaker 4: Yes, I wish, but there was no way to do that. 441 00:21:18,760 --> 00:21:21,080 Speaker 1: When I was fifteen, all I could do was watch 442 00:21:21,160 --> 00:21:23,120 Speaker 1: this CD that got sent to me and you know. 443 00:21:23,119 --> 00:21:24,000 Speaker 4: Listen to my mates. 444 00:21:25,240 --> 00:21:26,879 Speaker 1: We got passed around the whole year level. You probably 445 00:21:26,880 --> 00:21:28,720 Speaker 1: had the same CD and we all like, we had 446 00:21:28,720 --> 00:21:31,639 Speaker 1: a what's it called USB, and we all watch the 447 00:21:31,680 --> 00:21:33,440 Speaker 1: same ones, and then we'd go and talk about him, 448 00:21:33,440 --> 00:21:35,560 Speaker 1: and then we talk about how we had whatever sexual 449 00:21:35,640 --> 00:21:37,600 Speaker 1: encounters you have the chicks on the weekend, and then 450 00:21:38,119 --> 00:21:40,800 Speaker 1: that until what I'm thirty four now, you know, obviously 451 00:21:41,000 --> 00:21:43,520 Speaker 1: had sexual experiences with different women along the way who 452 00:21:43,560 --> 00:21:46,320 Speaker 1: taught me different things along the way. But it took 453 00:21:46,400 --> 00:21:49,440 Speaker 1: a woman saying to me at each stage, and thank 454 00:21:49,480 --> 00:21:52,000 Speaker 1: you to all of those women with enough patience to 455 00:21:52,080 --> 00:21:53,400 Speaker 1: be like, what are you doing? 456 00:21:53,560 --> 00:21:55,679 Speaker 4: Like that's not that's not well, this is you know 457 00:21:55,760 --> 00:21:56,280 Speaker 4: that works? 458 00:21:56,480 --> 00:22:02,640 Speaker 11: He got it half ways for intimacy you have developing now. 459 00:22:02,800 --> 00:22:04,080 Speaker 11: But they were stunted. 460 00:22:04,640 --> 00:22:06,960 Speaker 4: Whatever happened, it's a clear cut. 461 00:22:07,000 --> 00:22:09,000 Speaker 1: And the first thing this woman says is that like 462 00:22:09,200 --> 00:22:12,440 Speaker 1: penis in vagina, sex is the most enjoyable thing for 463 00:22:12,520 --> 00:22:12,760 Speaker 1: a man. 464 00:22:12,800 --> 00:22:14,960 Speaker 11: I can't even look at you when you say that, Okay, 465 00:22:15,160 --> 00:22:16,600 Speaker 11: I just have to look at that's right? 466 00:22:16,680 --> 00:22:21,200 Speaker 5: Look at what look at I can't look should turn 467 00:22:21,240 --> 00:22:22,359 Speaker 5: the lights off, it'd be weird. 468 00:22:23,359 --> 00:22:27,879 Speaker 4: We just slip out, let him notice, and. 469 00:22:27,880 --> 00:22:31,879 Speaker 5: Then we'll just slip back movies as well. Right, Like 470 00:22:31,880 --> 00:22:34,600 Speaker 5: it's obviously pornography, but like I I feel like I 471 00:22:34,680 --> 00:22:36,760 Speaker 5: learned a lot about sex just through Hollywood films. And 472 00:22:36,840 --> 00:22:40,160 Speaker 5: let's use James Bond as an example. James Bond. James 473 00:22:40,200 --> 00:22:44,520 Speaker 5: Bond never said, he never said to pussy galore, Hey, 474 00:22:45,119 --> 00:22:47,200 Speaker 5: what what do you have to hear from this experience? 475 00:22:47,359 --> 00:22:48,040 Speaker 6: Or like that's. 476 00:22:51,640 --> 00:22:53,280 Speaker 4: What's going to feel good for you here? 477 00:22:53,640 --> 00:22:57,080 Speaker 2: Bonding would just get straighted that that's awesome. 478 00:23:00,040 --> 00:23:03,320 Speaker 5: A that was my mission get a hug from Kate 479 00:23:03,400 --> 00:23:04,920 Speaker 5: lang Brook and my bloody go on. 480 00:23:05,280 --> 00:23:09,040 Speaker 1: It was beautiful, it was and I felt like this 481 00:23:09,119 --> 00:23:12,359 Speaker 1: is gonna sound weird, but I feel like that was 482 00:23:12,400 --> 00:23:17,760 Speaker 1: the conversation that as young guys we kind of wished 483 00:23:17,840 --> 00:23:20,200 Speaker 1: we could have had with our moms, which I think 484 00:23:20,240 --> 00:23:24,119 Speaker 1: is a really important point to make. We were talking 485 00:23:24,160 --> 00:23:27,480 Speaker 1: about the incident Yarra Valley Grammar earlier today and how 486 00:23:27,520 --> 00:23:29,439 Speaker 1: important it is for young guys to be able to 487 00:23:29,480 --> 00:23:32,560 Speaker 1: have those sorts of conversations. So I think what there 488 00:23:32,600 --> 00:23:35,439 Speaker 1: is in that Kate lane Brook chat is some interest 489 00:23:35,440 --> 00:23:37,600 Speaker 1: if you love Kate. I think there's some beautiful talks. 490 00:23:37,600 --> 00:23:40,080 Speaker 1: She talks about her son's battle with cancer, who she 491 00:23:40,200 --> 00:23:42,560 Speaker 1: is as a mum. But I think importantly all that 492 00:23:42,600 --> 00:23:46,520 Speaker 1: stuff that she talks about regarding intimacy and men's roles 493 00:23:46,720 --> 00:23:49,680 Speaker 1: is a wonderful conversation to listen to if you're feel 494 00:23:49,720 --> 00:23:51,600 Speaker 1: First of all, if you're a guy, I would one 495 00:23:51,680 --> 00:23:53,840 Speaker 1: hundred percent have a listen to that. Search share my 496 00:23:53,880 --> 00:23:56,600 Speaker 1: Member wherever you get your podcasts? Or if you're a 497 00:23:56,600 --> 00:23:59,159 Speaker 1: woman and you want the guy that you're with to 498 00:23:59,200 --> 00:24:01,120 Speaker 1: have a listen to that podcast. That was a free 499 00:24:01,200 --> 00:24:03,280 Speaker 1: hit for Woody and I in a very safe space 500 00:24:03,680 --> 00:24:06,680 Speaker 1: with a beautiful, wise funny guest in Kate Linge Brook. 501 00:24:06,720 --> 00:24:09,160 Speaker 1: That makes for a cracking listen. So, as I said, 502 00:24:09,480 --> 00:24:11,639 Speaker 1: Search Share My Mad where you get your podcasts? A 503 00:24:11,720 --> 00:24:16,919 Speaker 1: brand new series of What's turning into a ripping, ripping show. 504 00:24:18,000 --> 00:24:21,560 Speaker 5: Mother's Day coming up this Sunday, and I just thought 505 00:24:21,680 --> 00:24:23,200 Speaker 5: let's celebrate some mums right now. 506 00:24:23,520 --> 00:24:25,719 Speaker 6: Thirteen one oh sixty five is the number? 507 00:24:27,240 --> 00:24:30,879 Speaker 5: Has your mom still got it? 508 00:24:30,280 --> 00:24:34,200 Speaker 4: You got it? 509 00:24:31,720 --> 00:24:31,920 Speaker 5: There? 510 00:24:34,240 --> 00:24:35,560 Speaker 6: Is your mum still a bit wild? 511 00:24:36,400 --> 00:24:39,360 Speaker 5: That doesn't have to be partying? But has your mom 512 00:24:39,400 --> 00:24:41,640 Speaker 5: still got it? Because I tell you what will There 513 00:24:41,720 --> 00:24:45,520 Speaker 5: is one particular mum who absolutely still got it, and 514 00:24:45,600 --> 00:24:53,679 Speaker 5: her name is Queen Madonna Midged. 515 00:24:54,240 --> 00:24:56,560 Speaker 2: Excuse me, Midge, you said bitch. 516 00:24:56,600 --> 00:24:58,879 Speaker 6: I was like, excuse dare you? 517 00:24:59,000 --> 00:24:59,840 Speaker 4: She's a queen? No? 518 00:24:59,840 --> 00:25:02,080 Speaker 2: No, no, no, she you know, she's my queen. She's 519 00:25:02,080 --> 00:25:03,560 Speaker 2: probably my favorite artist of all time. 520 00:25:03,680 --> 00:25:05,680 Speaker 4: So how dare you? 521 00:25:07,000 --> 00:25:07,320 Speaker 9: I heard? 522 00:25:07,840 --> 00:25:10,280 Speaker 2: When you know you know well enough, she's she's Mitch. 523 00:25:11,080 --> 00:25:14,800 Speaker 5: She She performed in front of one point six million 524 00:25:15,000 --> 00:25:17,440 Speaker 5: Brazilians at Coba Cabana. 525 00:25:17,080 --> 00:25:20,280 Speaker 1: Beach, like goes that cop that tailors fifth Seriously, this 526 00:25:20,440 --> 00:25:23,560 Speaker 1: this is there's the queen biggest, biggest concert ever. 527 00:25:23,640 --> 00:25:27,320 Speaker 5: I think one point six million people watching, No doubt 528 00:25:27,359 --> 00:25:28,919 Speaker 5: still got it, went through all of her hits, I 529 00:25:28,920 --> 00:25:30,520 Speaker 5: mean she wish she's got a few to choose from. 530 00:25:38,520 --> 00:25:46,240 Speaker 6: Oh god. 531 00:25:43,880 --> 00:25:53,680 Speaker 5: Oh so not only does she play all these bangers 532 00:25:53,720 --> 00:25:56,720 Speaker 5: like proving one hundred percent still got it, choreographed dances 533 00:25:56,720 --> 00:25:59,720 Speaker 5: and whatnot, but she also decided that she was going 534 00:25:59,760 --> 00:26:03,120 Speaker 5: to recreate that famous kiss that she had with Britney 535 00:26:03,160 --> 00:26:09,000 Speaker 5: Spears from the VMAs. So she's picked one lucky backup dancer, 536 00:26:09,119 --> 00:26:13,000 Speaker 5: female backup dancer, and just bang, one point six million 537 00:26:13,040 --> 00:26:15,960 Speaker 5: Brazilians get to watch Madge hooking up with one of 538 00:26:15,960 --> 00:26:17,000 Speaker 5: her backup dancers. 539 00:26:17,160 --> 00:26:24,200 Speaker 4: Wow still got it? 540 00:26:25,040 --> 00:26:26,400 Speaker 2: Wow, still got it. 541 00:26:27,160 --> 00:26:31,400 Speaker 5: So guys, Matt's got six kids. Yeah, that's a mum 542 00:26:31,400 --> 00:26:34,520 Speaker 5: who's still got it. Thirteen one oh six kids, six kids. 543 00:26:35,000 --> 00:26:36,159 Speaker 4: I did not know that. 544 00:26:36,400 --> 00:26:40,240 Speaker 6: Yeah, not with the same person you with Guy Richie? 545 00:26:40,760 --> 00:26:42,560 Speaker 2: Oh yeah sorry Guy? 546 00:26:42,680 --> 00:26:49,719 Speaker 5: Or Gidge as kid, Yeah, Prince Gidge or king Bridge. Anyway, 547 00:26:50,760 --> 00:26:51,919 Speaker 5: she's got six kids. 548 00:26:52,119 --> 00:26:53,280 Speaker 2: She still got it? 549 00:26:53,320 --> 00:26:56,600 Speaker 5: Has your mum still got it? My partner, Mim, God 550 00:26:56,640 --> 00:26:58,240 Speaker 5: on her, bless her soul. She'll hate me saying this, 551 00:26:58,320 --> 00:27:00,240 Speaker 5: but look, she had a red hot crack on the 552 00:27:00,240 --> 00:27:01,560 Speaker 5: weekend on Saturday night. 553 00:27:01,720 --> 00:27:02,320 Speaker 6: Unbelievable. 554 00:27:02,400 --> 00:27:04,720 Speaker 5: She's a pretty new mum, you know. She genuinely gets 555 00:27:04,720 --> 00:27:06,399 Speaker 5: nervous and stuff about going out now. And I was 556 00:27:06,440 --> 00:27:08,840 Speaker 5: so bloody proud that at three am in the morning, 557 00:27:08,880 --> 00:27:11,480 Speaker 5: I got woken up to the shower being on what 558 00:27:11,600 --> 00:27:12,680 Speaker 5: the bloody that was going on here? 559 00:27:13,119 --> 00:27:15,920 Speaker 6: And Mim was just lying down having a lie down shower. 560 00:27:20,240 --> 00:27:23,080 Speaker 5: She had a crack wheel responsibly, of course, but she's 561 00:27:23,080 --> 00:27:23,400 Speaker 5: a mum. 562 00:27:23,480 --> 00:27:25,400 Speaker 6: She's still got it. Thirty one oh six five as 563 00:27:25,480 --> 00:27:27,800 Speaker 6: your mum still got it? 564 00:27:30,840 --> 00:27:40,639 Speaker 4: Some pretty cool mums. 565 00:27:38,320 --> 00:27:41,000 Speaker 5: Go for it. 566 00:27:44,680 --> 00:27:47,120 Speaker 6: I'm your venus. I'm your fire, I'm your bloody desire. 567 00:27:47,200 --> 00:27:48,640 Speaker 6: Thirty one oh six five. 568 00:27:48,520 --> 00:27:50,879 Speaker 4: You're thinking about razors when you you do? 569 00:27:51,440 --> 00:27:52,480 Speaker 2: You do about you? 570 00:27:52,840 --> 00:27:55,520 Speaker 5: That was great marketing, bloody oth. It was either raiss 571 00:27:55,600 --> 00:27:57,120 Speaker 5: I only buy venus, will. 572 00:27:57,359 --> 00:27:59,320 Speaker 2: I only use venus? I certainly don't buy it. 573 00:27:59,440 --> 00:28:03,280 Speaker 5: Yeah, sure anyway. Thirty one sixty five. Has your mom 574 00:28:03,320 --> 00:28:14,760 Speaker 5: still got it? Because Madonna has six kids, love Bunny. 575 00:28:16,200 --> 00:28:17,360 Speaker 5: I don't know what she says at the end there, 576 00:28:17,400 --> 00:28:20,360 Speaker 5: but she was at Coba Cavana Beach on the weekend 577 00:28:20,480 --> 00:28:24,440 Speaker 5: in front of one point six million Brazilians, absolutely rocking, 578 00:28:24,520 --> 00:28:26,600 Speaker 5: and she's a mum who has still got it. Let's 579 00:28:26,600 --> 00:28:30,640 Speaker 5: go to Meghan here, Megan amazing self confessed, you're a mom, 580 00:28:30,960 --> 00:28:31,719 Speaker 5: You've still got it? 581 00:28:32,760 --> 00:28:33,040 Speaker 8: Yes? 582 00:28:33,200 --> 00:28:35,280 Speaker 13: Hello, Hello, William Woody, how are you guying? 583 00:28:35,359 --> 00:28:37,760 Speaker 6: Omegan standing? How have you still got it? Meghan, You're 584 00:28:37,760 --> 00:28:39,760 Speaker 6: gonna have to prove it to us, all right? 585 00:28:39,800 --> 00:28:41,600 Speaker 14: So it's actually not me, it's. 586 00:28:41,440 --> 00:28:42,880 Speaker 4: My own mother, Okay. 587 00:28:43,000 --> 00:28:44,160 Speaker 8: I wasn't able to get her. 588 00:28:44,080 --> 00:28:47,320 Speaker 14: On air because she drives a bus. She's a bus driver, unreal, 589 00:28:48,680 --> 00:28:52,000 Speaker 14: But my mother she has since I've been born, I've 590 00:28:52,040 --> 00:28:55,360 Speaker 14: known her as a crazy fitness mother. Oh yeah, she 591 00:28:55,440 --> 00:28:59,400 Speaker 14: does tay our songs, I mean everything you name it. 592 00:28:59,480 --> 00:29:02,640 Speaker 7: When she fifty, she did a. 593 00:29:02,680 --> 00:29:06,360 Speaker 14: Full island, not a half Ireland island. 594 00:29:06,760 --> 00:29:10,240 Speaker 4: Wow, for everyone's playing at home, what's that? 595 00:29:10,320 --> 00:29:13,760 Speaker 5: It's a full marathon, which is marathon thirty four k's, 596 00:29:13,800 --> 00:29:15,960 Speaker 5: one hundred and eighty k's on a bike and then 597 00:29:16,000 --> 00:29:17,440 Speaker 5: I think an eight k swim. 598 00:29:18,320 --> 00:29:19,080 Speaker 7: Yes, that's crag. 599 00:29:19,160 --> 00:29:20,000 Speaker 4: Still got her. 600 00:29:22,480 --> 00:29:22,960 Speaker 6: Amazing. 601 00:29:23,120 --> 00:29:26,120 Speaker 5: My mom talks about she played hockey while she was 602 00:29:26,120 --> 00:29:29,360 Speaker 5: still I think she was like seven months pregnant with 603 00:29:29,400 --> 00:29:31,560 Speaker 5: me and she was still playing elite hockey. 604 00:29:31,760 --> 00:29:33,680 Speaker 2: Wow. I mean it's no forty k out. 605 00:29:33,680 --> 00:29:34,320 Speaker 6: No, that's true. 606 00:29:34,360 --> 00:29:35,280 Speaker 4: It was a bit of down. 607 00:29:40,160 --> 00:29:43,440 Speaker 1: I mean my mom still walked on the block when 608 00:29:43,440 --> 00:29:47,560 Speaker 1: I was pregnant as well. 609 00:29:45,200 --> 00:29:49,440 Speaker 4: Now your mum, you still. 610 00:29:49,200 --> 00:29:51,120 Speaker 7: Got it apparently. 611 00:29:51,200 --> 00:29:55,280 Speaker 9: So the next year, I'm turning fifty and organizing a 612 00:29:55,320 --> 00:29:56,080 Speaker 9: trip to coach Ollo. 613 00:29:56,760 --> 00:30:00,960 Speaker 5: Oh and so now I think from what I've never 614 00:30:00,960 --> 00:30:02,920 Speaker 5: been to Coachell, but from what I see a lot 615 00:30:02,920 --> 00:30:04,840 Speaker 5: of pretty out there outfits. 616 00:30:05,280 --> 00:30:06,160 Speaker 6: What are you going to wear? 617 00:30:06,240 --> 00:30:09,280 Speaker 9: Melk You not very much with the outfits, but I 618 00:30:09,320 --> 00:30:11,520 Speaker 9: am all up for the party. 619 00:30:12,200 --> 00:30:14,400 Speaker 6: Still got it, still got it. 620 00:30:14,480 --> 00:30:16,400 Speaker 2: Great work and the outfits are overrated. 621 00:30:16,560 --> 00:30:19,720 Speaker 1: It's all about the attitude exactly right, those sorts of prices. 622 00:30:19,920 --> 00:30:23,480 Speaker 6: Let's go to Jesse now, Hi, Jess, Hi? 623 00:30:23,960 --> 00:30:24,080 Speaker 2: Hi? 624 00:30:24,280 --> 00:30:24,560 Speaker 12: Are you? 625 00:30:25,040 --> 00:30:28,560 Speaker 6: How old are you? Jess? I'm a legend eleven okay? 626 00:30:28,800 --> 00:30:30,080 Speaker 6: And your mom still got it? 627 00:30:31,040 --> 00:30:31,240 Speaker 13: Yeah? 628 00:30:31,280 --> 00:30:31,800 Speaker 15: I think that. 629 00:30:32,600 --> 00:30:33,800 Speaker 6: Why do you think that? Jess? 630 00:30:34,840 --> 00:30:37,320 Speaker 15: So recently my family and I went to the Gold 631 00:30:37,360 --> 00:30:40,000 Speaker 15: Coast in Sea World and we went on the New 632 00:30:40,080 --> 00:30:43,000 Speaker 15: Right call of the Ison. It's a roller coaster, and 633 00:30:43,080 --> 00:30:45,320 Speaker 15: she went on with me. But my brother and my 634 00:30:45,400 --> 00:30:46,240 Speaker 15: dad are slackish. 635 00:30:47,360 --> 00:30:49,880 Speaker 5: Oh they so they were too scared to go on it. 636 00:30:49,960 --> 00:30:58,360 Speaker 5: Your brother and your dad? Yeah, and mum did it. Yeah, 637 00:30:58,600 --> 00:30:59,880 Speaker 5: thanks for the gold Jess. 638 00:31:00,520 --> 00:31:01,600 Speaker 4: Is your mum with you right now? 639 00:31:01,680 --> 00:31:02,040 Speaker 12: Jess? 640 00:31:02,760 --> 00:31:04,280 Speaker 4: What you there? Mum? 641 00:31:05,120 --> 00:31:05,280 Speaker 12: Hi? 642 00:31:05,480 --> 00:31:05,720 Speaker 7: Yeah? 643 00:31:06,080 --> 00:31:06,280 Speaker 9: Here? 644 00:31:06,440 --> 00:31:07,880 Speaker 4: How'd you feel after the roller coaster? 645 00:31:08,880 --> 00:31:09,120 Speaker 13: Oh? 646 00:31:09,280 --> 00:31:11,960 Speaker 9: Look yours in trouble? When we started climbing up the 647 00:31:12,240 --> 00:31:14,640 Speaker 9: you know, up the hill, the whole thing was rattling. 648 00:31:14,640 --> 00:31:16,840 Speaker 9: It's one of those old sort of like so wooded ones, 649 00:31:16,840 --> 00:31:19,800 Speaker 9: and my brain was shaking. So I'm still having I'm 650 00:31:19,800 --> 00:31:30,880 Speaker 9: still having therapy sessions. 651 00:31:31,000 --> 00:31:33,840 Speaker 5: Performing in front of one point six million Brazilians in 652 00:31:33,880 --> 00:31:35,320 Speaker 5: Cobba Cabana over the weekend. 653 00:31:35,440 --> 00:31:36,720 Speaker 6: Yeah, I got six kids. 654 00:31:36,640 --> 00:31:39,880 Speaker 5: And I spoke about it for fifteen to twenty minutes, 655 00:31:39,920 --> 00:31:43,000 Speaker 5: and I didn't even bring up the fact that, you know, 656 00:31:43,080 --> 00:31:45,560 Speaker 5: does my mum still have it? 657 00:31:45,640 --> 00:31:46,520 Speaker 6: Does she still get it? 658 00:31:47,160 --> 00:31:50,000 Speaker 5: So I've got a number here obviously my son a 659 00:31:50,040 --> 00:31:53,160 Speaker 5: tinkle and said if she's still cool, she can prove 660 00:31:53,200 --> 00:31:53,520 Speaker 5: it to me. 661 00:31:56,440 --> 00:31:57,880 Speaker 6: Hello, he moment's woody. 662 00:31:59,080 --> 00:31:59,720 Speaker 13: I'm at work. 663 00:32:00,240 --> 00:32:03,320 Speaker 6: Okay, We'll let me take a sec. Yeah, one one. 664 00:32:04,440 --> 00:32:06,920 Speaker 5: We're just doing a topic today on like if if 665 00:32:06,920 --> 00:32:08,240 Speaker 5: your mum still got it? 666 00:32:08,520 --> 00:32:10,920 Speaker 6: Have you done anything recently which is a bit wild? 667 00:32:11,280 --> 00:32:14,400 Speaker 13: Oh, you know, dancing on the news. 668 00:32:14,400 --> 00:32:16,440 Speaker 4: That's definitely fell in the garden. 669 00:32:18,560 --> 00:32:19,600 Speaker 6: In the garden, that's good too. 670 00:32:20,040 --> 00:32:26,640 Speaker 13: It's probably more rheumatoid excellent than drunk. I'm not really 671 00:32:26,720 --> 00:32:28,440 Speaker 13: very you know, I'm not very exciting. 672 00:32:28,560 --> 00:32:29,480 Speaker 6: That is not true. 673 00:32:29,920 --> 00:32:30,880 Speaker 2: That is not true. 674 00:32:30,960 --> 00:32:32,600 Speaker 6: If I want to get a party started, you're my 675 00:32:32,640 --> 00:32:33,160 Speaker 6: first call. 676 00:32:35,560 --> 00:32:38,600 Speaker 13: Get right, all right, I've got to past in the 677 00:32:38,640 --> 00:32:39,560 Speaker 13: right So I'm going to go. 678 00:32:39,920 --> 00:32:44,480 Speaker 6: Totally okay, all right, goodbye, still cool? 679 00:32:45,880 --> 00:32:47,680 Speaker 4: What are I'm going to get very nerdy right now, 680 00:32:47,880 --> 00:32:49,600 Speaker 4: so suck it up. 681 00:32:50,200 --> 00:32:55,040 Speaker 1: Bernard Hill, who plays King Thayadin in Or who played 682 00:32:55,120 --> 00:32:57,440 Speaker 1: King Theden in Lord of the Rings. 683 00:32:56,920 --> 00:32:58,760 Speaker 5: Just for those who don't know Lord of the Rings, 684 00:32:58,760 --> 00:32:59,920 Speaker 5: because it's a shocking franchise. 685 00:33:00,720 --> 00:33:07,320 Speaker 1: Who was king King of Rohan or the Riders of 686 00:33:07,400 --> 00:33:13,280 Speaker 1: Rohan I know? Yeah, yeah, they ride on horses, yep, 687 00:33:13,320 --> 00:33:14,320 Speaker 1: and they're quite scary. 688 00:33:14,440 --> 00:33:15,400 Speaker 4: Yeah, they'rey're good guys. 689 00:33:15,440 --> 00:33:17,640 Speaker 5: I'm trying to speak like four people who don't know 690 00:33:17,720 --> 00:33:19,920 Speaker 5: Lord of the Rings. He's the king of a group 691 00:33:19,960 --> 00:33:22,560 Speaker 5: of people who are very good horsemen and horsewoman. 692 00:33:22,680 --> 00:33:24,800 Speaker 4: They're considered, yeah, they considered the horse people. 693 00:33:24,800 --> 00:33:27,120 Speaker 1: They're kind of like largely peasants if you really want 694 00:33:27,160 --> 00:33:29,800 Speaker 1: to get into it all rings I'm here to four 695 00:33:29,840 --> 00:33:31,880 Speaker 1: for World War One, and they're kind of meant to 696 00:33:31,880 --> 00:33:35,000 Speaker 1: be the Russians, these peasants who are getting dominated by 697 00:33:35,080 --> 00:33:38,480 Speaker 1: the Germans aka Sarahman and the Kai and then they 698 00:33:38,560 --> 00:33:41,480 Speaker 1: rebel anyway, Okay, is. 699 00:33:41,440 --> 00:33:41,840 Speaker 2: That all right? 700 00:33:41,880 --> 00:33:44,640 Speaker 6: Yeah, that's fine, okay, sell us people the horse people. 701 00:33:44,840 --> 00:33:47,560 Speaker 1: So anyway, the horse people, ironically, just like the Russians 702 00:33:47,560 --> 00:33:49,600 Speaker 1: did in World War One, they come and save the 703 00:33:49,680 --> 00:33:53,960 Speaker 1: day through like a massive cavalry charge which saves the 704 00:33:54,040 --> 00:33:57,640 Speaker 1: other men. Anyway, Bernard Hill is the king of these people, 705 00:33:57,880 --> 00:33:59,440 Speaker 1: and I just wanted to celebrate him to so by 706 00:33:59,440 --> 00:34:01,120 Speaker 1: playing the speech that he has. 707 00:34:01,600 --> 00:34:02,640 Speaker 2: It's quite stirring. 708 00:34:02,720 --> 00:34:09,240 Speaker 4: Before the riders of Rohan ride into the battle. Spears 709 00:34:09,320 --> 00:34:13,280 Speaker 4: shall be shaken, shell shall be splinter. 710 00:34:14,320 --> 00:34:17,120 Speaker 2: A short day, a red day. 711 00:34:23,320 --> 00:34:25,440 Speaker 4: It's really great. And then they charge in and they 712 00:34:25,480 --> 00:34:26,080 Speaker 4: kick some ass. 713 00:34:26,120 --> 00:34:28,120 Speaker 6: Shields shall be splintered was a weird line. 714 00:34:28,160 --> 00:34:30,560 Speaker 4: They splintering their own shields, sprinting other people's shields. 715 00:34:30,760 --> 00:34:32,520 Speaker 5: It go with something a bit more emotive. I think 716 00:34:32,600 --> 00:34:35,160 Speaker 5: that yeah, oh no, the splinter's on the shield. I 717 00:34:35,320 --> 00:34:37,600 Speaker 5: mentioned something. Now, I'm sure it happens. It's like you'll 718 00:34:37,600 --> 00:34:38,760 Speaker 5: get mud on your shoes. 719 00:34:39,000 --> 00:34:39,600 Speaker 6: You know what I mean. 720 00:34:40,440 --> 00:34:41,760 Speaker 2: You're going to get some chafe. 721 00:34:42,440 --> 00:34:43,439 Speaker 4: It's not out here. 722 00:34:44,280 --> 00:34:46,320 Speaker 6: Some of your shoes might become untied. 723 00:34:47,960 --> 00:34:51,120 Speaker 1: Arguably his best bit is where he rides down the 724 00:34:51,400 --> 00:34:53,560 Speaker 1: cavalry front and he yells. 725 00:34:53,239 --> 00:34:54,680 Speaker 2: This now. 726 00:34:58,000 --> 00:34:59,960 Speaker 4: It's really happy, tell them tying them to ride. 727 00:35:00,080 --> 00:35:03,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, right in, right into battle, obviously, right now, right now, 728 00:35:03,200 --> 00:35:06,000 Speaker 1: right now, and look anyway, look, I realize that Lord 729 00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:07,120 Speaker 1: of the Rings is in everyone's bag. 730 00:35:07,160 --> 00:35:08,520 Speaker 2: So I want to make this a bit more accessible. 731 00:35:08,520 --> 00:35:10,120 Speaker 1: But I still want to celebrate Bernard Hill because I 732 00:35:10,160 --> 00:35:11,759 Speaker 1: think he's amazing and I think it's one of the 733 00:35:11,800 --> 00:35:14,000 Speaker 1: great roles ever played. So what we're going to do 734 00:35:14,080 --> 00:35:17,560 Speaker 1: right now is call a bike shop. I'm wondering if 735 00:35:17,560 --> 00:35:20,200 Speaker 1: I could bring my bike in for a service. Yeah nice, 736 00:35:20,239 --> 00:35:22,120 Speaker 1: And I know that normally takes a couple of days, 737 00:35:22,120 --> 00:35:23,520 Speaker 1: but I was wondering if they could turn it around 738 00:35:23,560 --> 00:35:25,160 Speaker 1: in a couple of hours because I want to. 739 00:35:27,520 --> 00:35:31,040 Speaker 4: Yeah, and as a well, I have no idea what's 740 00:35:31,080 --> 00:35:31,680 Speaker 4: going to happen here. 741 00:35:31,680 --> 00:35:33,920 Speaker 5: We'll probably just say no, you can't, it's going to 742 00:35:33,960 --> 00:35:34,960 Speaker 5: take a few days, and then I. 743 00:35:34,880 --> 00:35:36,000 Speaker 2: Say double down. 744 00:35:37,000 --> 00:35:38,480 Speaker 6: Shield is splendid to say that. 745 00:35:40,440 --> 00:35:41,840 Speaker 16: My right calling with Jack speaking. 746 00:35:42,400 --> 00:35:45,160 Speaker 4: Oh good a Jack, how's it going? 747 00:35:45,239 --> 00:35:45,399 Speaker 7: Yeah? 748 00:35:45,440 --> 00:35:45,839 Speaker 2: Good, thanks. 749 00:35:45,840 --> 00:35:48,200 Speaker 1: I'm just looking for a couple of places to drop 750 00:35:48,280 --> 00:35:49,920 Speaker 1: my bike in for a service. 751 00:35:51,880 --> 00:35:54,880 Speaker 2: But I'm a bit worried about not having my bike. 752 00:35:54,960 --> 00:35:56,920 Speaker 1: I know that it takes sometimes a little bit of 753 00:35:56,920 --> 00:35:58,880 Speaker 1: time to get its service, but it's kind of my 754 00:35:59,000 --> 00:36:00,520 Speaker 1: chief form of commuting. 755 00:36:00,560 --> 00:36:03,120 Speaker 2: So I was just wondering if I dropped. 756 00:36:02,760 --> 00:36:04,640 Speaker 1: It in with you guys, would I be able to 757 00:36:04,719 --> 00:36:07,200 Speaker 1: sort of like maybe get it back this afternoon because 758 00:36:07,200 --> 00:36:08,120 Speaker 1: I'm pretty keen to. 759 00:36:10,840 --> 00:36:11,560 Speaker 16: Who else is that? 760 00:36:12,880 --> 00:36:14,399 Speaker 4: What's what was that? 761 00:36:14,440 --> 00:36:14,680 Speaker 16: Something? 762 00:36:14,719 --> 00:36:17,160 Speaker 4: To yell on Oh no, no, no, I was just 763 00:36:17,200 --> 00:36:18,359 Speaker 4: saying that I'm very keen to. 764 00:36:20,880 --> 00:36:21,560 Speaker 2: If possible. 765 00:36:22,080 --> 00:36:25,600 Speaker 16: Yeah, so I've got free spots Wednesday, Thursday, Friday this week. 766 00:36:25,640 --> 00:36:27,600 Speaker 1: Would I be able to pick it up that evening, 767 00:36:27,600 --> 00:36:29,280 Speaker 1: because then in that instance. 768 00:36:29,120 --> 00:36:31,359 Speaker 16: I could for the whole day. 769 00:36:31,560 --> 00:36:33,839 Speaker 4: Ah? But what about how I need to. 770 00:36:48,800 --> 00:36:49,120 Speaker 7: Hello? 771 00:36:50,000 --> 00:36:50,680 Speaker 2: Are you there? Jane? 772 00:36:50,880 --> 00:36:51,080 Speaker 7: Hey? 773 00:36:51,200 --> 00:36:51,359 Speaker 16: Yes? 774 00:36:51,640 --> 00:36:51,960 Speaker 10: What was that? 775 00:36:53,480 --> 00:36:56,800 Speaker 16: I had some sort of cheering going on for thirty seconds? A. 776 00:36:57,120 --> 00:37:00,360 Speaker 1: Sorry, I just get a bit enthusiastic about writing and 777 00:37:01,040 --> 00:37:03,520 Speaker 1: right writing now in particular. 778 00:37:04,040 --> 00:37:05,960 Speaker 16: Okay, but what's that like? It's like you're cutting out 779 00:37:05,960 --> 00:37:10,080 Speaker 16: and then like a radio is turning on. Now I've 780 00:37:10,080 --> 00:37:11,160 Speaker 16: got classical music. 781 00:37:12,600 --> 00:37:16,400 Speaker 1: Jackson, Jack, My name is William Cling from radio station. 782 00:37:16,520 --> 00:37:20,080 Speaker 1: I do a show called William Bernard Hill. Bernard Hill 783 00:37:20,120 --> 00:37:21,680 Speaker 1: is the guy who played Thad and King Thad and 784 00:37:21,680 --> 00:37:22,440 Speaker 1: in Lord of the Rings. 785 00:37:22,800 --> 00:37:25,400 Speaker 2: He died. He died today and he has a big speech. 786 00:37:26,000 --> 00:37:27,840 Speaker 16: I saw that in the news. Yeah, that's that's the 787 00:37:27,880 --> 00:37:30,120 Speaker 16: sad one. Yeah, but did you actually need your blick 788 00:37:30,160 --> 00:37:31,759 Speaker 16: service store? What's only caught half of that? 789 00:37:32,320 --> 00:37:34,279 Speaker 1: No? I make sure, okay, Jack, My bike just got 790 00:37:34,400 --> 00:37:38,240 Speaker 1: service recently, so I can, which is huge. 791 00:37:39,040 --> 00:37:45,640 Speaker 4: Yeah, cool, all right, Thanks Jake. What a lovely, lovely, lovely. 792 00:37:46,400 --> 00:37:47,840 Speaker 6: And now I'm hearing classical music. 793 00:37:49,160 --> 00:37:52,040 Speaker 1: Find a little bit Bernard o' hill, last little bit 794 00:37:52,080 --> 00:37:55,240 Speaker 1: of riching on Lord of the Rings. Our audio producer 795 00:37:55,280 --> 00:37:58,040 Speaker 1: Mark made a cutdown of fat Boy Slim to celebrate 796 00:37:58,120 --> 00:37:58,840 Speaker 1: that great speech. 797 00:38:19,040 --> 00:38:19,920 Speaker 2: It's really mounny. 798 00:38:20,000 --> 00:38:21,120 Speaker 4: It's not like a great man.