WEBVTT - Why actors walked out on their own premiere

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<v Speaker 3>I'm Zara Seidler.

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<v Speaker 2>The Union for Hollywood Actors has gone on strike for

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<v Speaker 2>the first time in forty three years.

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<v Speaker 4>One hundred and sixty thousand performers from TV and film

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<v Speaker 4>will now join scriptwriters on picket lines as production of

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<v Speaker 4>TV shows and movies suddenly grind to a halt.

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<v Speaker 3>What this effectively means is that Hollywood as we know

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<v Speaker 3>it is at a stand still.

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<v Speaker 2>Both writers and actors say the transition to streaming has

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<v Speaker 2>affected their financial security and healthcare.

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<v Speaker 2>Lucy Tassel, Welcome to your podcast debut.

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<v Speaker 5>Thanks for having me.

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<v Speaker 2>It's so fun to have you in front of the

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<v Speaker 2>to make sure it's actually true. But today you're on

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<v Speaker 2>the pod because you live and breathe this topic. What

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<v Speaker 2>are we going to talk about today?

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<v Speaker 5>Today we're talking about the actors strike. I love this

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<v Speaker 5>story and I would say that if you are the

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<v Speaker 5>sort of person like me, someone who loves movies and

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<v Speaker 5>TV and is interested in how they get made, this

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<v Speaker 5>is the biggest story of the week.

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<v Speaker 2>Said the scene for me. When did this strike begin?

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<v Speaker 5>This strike began Thursday midnight LA time, so early Friday

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<v Speaker 5>morning our time, and in London at the UK premiere

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<v Speaker 5>of the upcoming film Oppenheimer.

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<v Speaker 2>Mister Chris Nolan film, Right That's.

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<v Speaker 5>Right, which I'm very excited to see. At that premiere,

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<v Speaker 5>which was about five pm last Thursday, London time. The

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<v Speaker 5>actors were starting to get nervous on the red carpet

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<v Speaker 5>because they knew that the strike was about to happen.

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<v Speaker 5>They were being asked questions by journalists about will you

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<v Speaker 5>support the strike, how do.

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<v Speaker 3>You feel about an actor strike?

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<v Speaker 5>And when do you think they might see a resolution

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<v Speaker 5>to because I know it's kind of ominous.

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<v Speaker 2>At this point.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, I'm not in the room, so I can't say

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<v Speaker 3>when you see a resolution to it, but I got

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<v Speaker 3>to say that, you know, collective bargaining only works if

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<v Speaker 3>the collective is involved uniformly.

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<v Speaker 5>The actors in that film said yes, because they are

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<v Speaker 5>all in the Actors' Union, which is called sag AFTRA.

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<v Speaker 5>It's a very powerful employment body. Pretty Much any Hollywood

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<v Speaker 5>actor you've ever heard of is in sag AFTRA. One

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<v Speaker 5>of the actors in Oppenheimer, Matt Damon, who we would

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<v Speaker 5>all know, said that he was really keen to support

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<v Speaker 5>the strike to help out lower income actors. What we

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<v Speaker 5>would be striking for if we strike is unbelievably important.

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<v Speaker 3>We had to protect with people who were kind of.

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<v Speaker 5>On the margins. So the actors. Once the strike was

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<v Speaker 5>authorized at midnight, La time five pm ish London time.

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<v Speaker 5>The actors walked straight off the red carpet and they

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<v Speaker 5>didn't stay for the movie because one of the conditions

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<v Speaker 5>of the strike is that you're not allowed to promote anything.

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<v Speaker 5>No more promo appearances for that film by the actors.

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<v Speaker 5>So the director of the film, Chris Nolan, inside the

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<v Speaker 5>theater right before the movie started he had to kind

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<v Speaker 5>of explain to the audience. Normally the actors would be

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<v Speaker 5>up here with me, but they've just walked off. They're

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<v Speaker 5>going to go and stay preparing their picket science because

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<v Speaker 5>they're now on strike.

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<v Speaker 2>I want to go deeper on why they're striking and

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<v Speaker 2>what has kind of led up to this moment. But

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<v Speaker 2>before we get there, one of the comments on our

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<v Speaker 2>Instagram when we put it up on Friday was boohoo,

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<v Speaker 2>poor millionaires. And there's this sense of why are we

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<v Speaker 2>spending time on this podcast talking about changing rights and

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<v Speaker 2>contracts for these multimillionaire actors. Why should we care about

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<v Speaker 2>this story.

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<v Speaker 5>I can totally understand that perception, because for most of us,

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<v Speaker 5>our only understanding of the people in show business would

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<v Speaker 5>be the big stars would be your Margo, Robbie's, You're

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<v Speaker 5>Matt Damon's You're Ryan Goslings. All of those people are

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<v Speaker 5>just a tiny fraction of who the Actor's Union actually

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<v Speaker 5>represents though. So SAG AFTRA represents one hundred and sixty

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<v Speaker 5>thousand people, So that includes actors, that includes some radio personalities, dancers,

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<v Speaker 5>stuff people, extras, well we don't call them extras anymore.

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<v Speaker 5>They're called background performers. Puppeteers are included on SAG's website.

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<v Speaker 5>I was very charmed by that. But that's a huge

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<v Speaker 5>number of people, a tiny fraction of whom you would

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<v Speaker 5>know who would be big names. But anyone who makes

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<v Speaker 5>from one hundred dollars for a day on set to

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<v Speaker 5>one hundred thousand dollars for a day on set are

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<v Speaker 5>all covered by SAG, and they're all impacted by industry changes,

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<v Speaker 5>and they're all on strike together.

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<v Speaker 2>So we have this moment in London where actors literally

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<v Speaker 2>walk off the red carpet because this strike has come

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<v Speaker 2>into play. Now give me a sense of what the

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<v Speaker 2>strike is actually in relation to why are they so angry?

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<v Speaker 5>There's two big things that I would say this strike

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<v Speaker 5>is broadly about. So the first one is the rise

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<v Speaker 5>of streaming. The second one is AI. I mean those

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<v Speaker 5>feel like the two biggest stories in entertainment in this century.

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<v Speaker 5>That doesn't feel like an overstatement. So first streaming. Streaming

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<v Speaker 5>has changed the entertainment industry so completely that I start

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<v Speaker 5>to wonder if we could ever go back to a

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<v Speaker 5>pre Netflix world. And it has only happened really in

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<v Speaker 5>the last ten years. Like I was really struck recently.

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<v Speaker 5>I looked up when Orange Is the New Black was

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<v Speaker 5>first put on Netflix, and it was ten years ago, So

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<v Speaker 5>ten years or so since TV pretty much changed forever

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<v Speaker 5>when Netflix started producing its own content and pivoted from

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<v Speaker 5>selling DVDs by mail to people in the US to

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<v Speaker 5>becoming the global streaming giant that everyone has in their

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<v Speaker 5>homes or now has to have in their homes because

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<v Speaker 5>of the passwords sharing, backdown account and you know, oh,

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<v Speaker 5>we've all been kicked off. So streaming had one really

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<v Speaker 5>huge change that has had all these other ripple effects.

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<v Speaker 5>So to understand this, you have to understand how actors

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<v Speaker 5>used to make money. For example, say you're Jennifer Aniston

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<v Speaker 5>on Friends. You're on a long running major TV show

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<v Speaker 5>that produces twenty two episodes a year for ten years.

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<v Speaker 5>You might work thirty weeks out of that year working

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<v Speaker 5>on that show. Anytime that you're not on the set

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<v Speaker 5>of that show, you're getting paid for the episodes being

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<v Speaker 5>aired on TV. In streaming, that's not necessarily how it works.

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<v Speaker 5>When those early streaming shows were being made, the contracts

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<v Speaker 5>for the actors were set up under an old contract

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<v Speaker 5>system that was designed to cover things like short YouTube videos,

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<v Speaker 5>where you would pay an actor who was in the

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<v Speaker 5>union to appear in your short YouTube series, which I.

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<v Speaker 2>Guess was the closest thing to it at the time.

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<v Speaker 5>Yes, that contract was not set up for the Netflix

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<v Speaker 5>world because they didn't know what that was going to

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<v Speaker 5>look like. Yeah, of course, But that leads us to

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<v Speaker 5>an ongoing problem where someone like Jennifer Aniston still makes

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<v Speaker 5>a huge amount of money from Friends being played on

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<v Speaker 5>TV and a small amount of money from Friends being

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<v Speaker 5>put on streaming platform. But if you are, for example,

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<v Speaker 5>an actor from Oranges The New Black, which ran for

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<v Speaker 5>six seasons on Netflix, and you're in pretty much every

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<v Speaker 5>episode of that show, you're only getting paid the small

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<v Speaker 5>amount that it was agreed was fair under the original

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<v Speaker 5>streaming content contract. So one of the actresses from Orange

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<v Speaker 5>is The New Black, Camiko Glenn posted a video to

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<v Speaker 5>Instagram where she shared her residuals for forty four episodes

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<v Speaker 5>of Oranges and New.

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<v Speaker 4>Black Gold be so rude.

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<v Speaker 5>And it amounted to about twenty seven dollars. What and

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<v Speaker 5>one of the ripple effects of that is that, because

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<v Speaker 5>as we all know, the American healthcare system is very

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<v Speaker 5>complicated to say the least, many people's healthcare is tied

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<v Speaker 5>to their employment. That is true for actors in the US.

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<v Speaker 5>So if you're in SAG, you have to earn a

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<v Speaker 5>minimum of twenty six thousand dollars in order to access healthcare.

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<v Speaker 2>Obviously harder to make if you're a streaming star or

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<v Speaker 2>a streaming professional. Now that was for TV exactly. Now

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<v Speaker 2>let's turn to AI. So AI is the other destabilizing

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<v Speaker 2>factor that is being incorporated into these contract negotiations. What's

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<v Speaker 2>the core issue here?

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<v Speaker 5>So this relates back to background actors that we touched

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<v Speaker 5>on a little bit before. So the lead negotiator for

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<v Speaker 5>SAG after he's a man named Duncan Crabtree, Ireland, lovely name,

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<v Speaker 5>beautiful name. He said that the studios pitched SAG an

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<v Speaker 5>offer in their contract negotiations relating to AI.

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<v Speaker 6>They proposed that our background performers should be able to

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<v Speaker 6>be scanned, get paid for one day's pay, and their

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<v Speaker 6>company should own that scan, their image, their likeness, and

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<v Speaker 6>should be able to use it for the rest of

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<v Speaker 6>eternity in any project they want, with no consent and

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<v Speaker 6>no compensation. So if you think that's a groundbreaking proposal,

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<v Speaker 6>I suggest you think again.

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<v Speaker 5>That really speaks to a major ongoing issue if that

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<v Speaker 5>were to become the case where background actors could be

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<v Speaker 5>paid for one day's work and their likeness used in perpetuity.

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<v Speaker 5>Not only is it concerning because these studios wouldn't have

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<v Speaker 5>to ask for people's consent to be used in the

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<v Speaker 5>background of any scene imaginable, it also takes away like

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<v Speaker 5>the bottom rung of the ladder, it's just that much

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<v Speaker 5>harder to get into the industry. Major actors, people like

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<v Speaker 5>Leonardo DiCaprio got their start as background actors, So that's

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<v Speaker 5>a major concern that sag after it has to protect

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<v Speaker 5>its actors.

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<v Speaker 2>So essentially, the actors are asking for more compensation and

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<v Speaker 2>a bit more security around their jobs to account for

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<v Speaker 2>these huge changes in the landscape. What are the media

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<v Speaker 2>companies saying in response to all of this.

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<v Speaker 5>So the rise of streaming has also had impacts on

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<v Speaker 5>major media and entertainment companies. Sure it has impacted their

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<v Speaker 5>short term profits. There are things that it is much

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<v Speaker 5>more expensive to do in the streaming landscape, like, for example,

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<v Speaker 5>run a streaming platform. If you're a movie studio that

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<v Speaker 5>previously was just releasing movies, running a streaming platform, hosting content,

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<v Speaker 5>producing original content that goes on. All of these things

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<v Speaker 5>incur costs in a way that's more complicated than simply

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<v Speaker 5>we make a movie, we release a movie, we get

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<v Speaker 5>our ticket money back. That is added to the cost

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<v Speaker 5>of living. Crisis has meant a lot of people pulling

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<v Speaker 5>their subscriptions from these various streaming services.

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<v Speaker 2>So what do you think is going to happen now?

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, we find ourselves in somewhat uncharged territory. What

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<v Speaker 2>will the next couple of weeks look like?

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<v Speaker 5>It's a very interesting position to be in. So the

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<v Speaker 5>writers have also been on strike since May, so actors

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<v Speaker 5>and writers are on strike at the same time. That

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<v Speaker 5>effectively means almost nothing can be produced and made. Certainly,

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<v Speaker 5>under strike rules, no one can go to a set,

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<v Speaker 5>no one can pitch a film or an episode, of

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<v Speaker 5>something or write it. No one can promote it or

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<v Speaker 5>appear at an awards show to accept an award for it.

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<v Speaker 5>So these effects are not necessarily going to be clear immediately.

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<v Speaker 5>We're going to have to wait and see. It does

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<v Speaker 5>seem to me that since the writers have been on

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<v Speaker 5>strike since May with absolutely no sign of slowing down,

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<v Speaker 5>the actors could hold on for a long time.

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<v Speaker 2>Well it have any change for say, you going to

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<v Speaker 2>the movies? Like, is Barbie now not going to be on?

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<v Speaker 5>Barbie's fine, Barbie's locked and loaded. It's just that we

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<v Speaker 5>won't be getting any more Margo, Robbie and Ryan Gosling

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<v Speaker 5>play with Puppies interviews because they're not allowed to promote

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<v Speaker 5>it anymore. But Barbie's going to come out. It's what

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<v Speaker 5>will happen next year. Even assuming that the writers and

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<v Speaker 5>the actors strikes get resolved within a matter of months,

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<v Speaker 5>that's a long period of time where nothing has been made.

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<v Speaker 5>So it might be a year before we suddenly realize, Hm,

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<v Speaker 5>there hasn't been a movie come out in a little bit.

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<v Speaker 5>It will be because yeah, they weren't allowed to make them.

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<v Speaker 5>During the American summer of twenty twenty three, we might

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<v Speaker 5>just have a really thin oscars in twenty twenty five.

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