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Speaker 1: Well it is ten thirty on a Tuesday morning and

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Speaker 1: joining me in the studio right now, Dave Tolna.

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Speaker 2: Good morning, great to me with you, Cadi and.

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Speaker 3: Damian Hale, good morning to you.

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Speaker 4: Get a Katie. How are you very well?

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Speaker 1: Great to have you both on this morning for the

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Speaker 1: big issues and what's to.

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Speaker 3: Cover off on I guess well there it always.

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Speaker 1: Is, but this morning it's been a bit interesting as

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Speaker 1: it was yesterday following on from that news that well

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Speaker 1: Senator Sam McMahon allegedly got into.

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Speaker 3: A bit of a scuffle.

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Speaker 1: After a NATS party or during the NATS party.

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Speaker 3: I don't know whether it was after.

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Speaker 1: Or during, but as she was being put into a

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Speaker 1: taxi allegedly.

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Speaker 5: What were your thoughts, Well, the that's just summed up

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Speaker 5: in one word. At a party the king O Hotel,

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Speaker 5: because I remember going to the king O a bit

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Speaker 5: and the best thing about it, You remember, Dave, you

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Speaker 5: cook your own state, Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and it was a great remember it well, yeah.

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Speaker 5: I remember one day I rocked up there and it

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Speaker 5: was Camber Day, text all my colleagues and.

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Speaker 2: Rode from there. My mate he used to share with

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Speaker 2: he got lost one night I was twenty five meters

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Speaker 4: There was thirty colleagues coming.

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Speaker 5: I cooked steaks and then Tony Abbott walks in and Dunton,

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Speaker 5: so I said, go and buy a steak, Go and

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Speaker 4: So I was cooking Tory steaks and then the manager.

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Speaker 5: The manager loved us, and so I organized him and

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Speaker 5: he dropped the bottle of red on a few of

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Speaker 5: the tables. So everyone had a great night. So I

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Speaker 5: got fond memories of the king.

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Speaker 2: It's a different environment when you're actually down there. Haley'll

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Speaker 2: attest to this. You know, most people's impressions of the

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Speaker 2: Federal Parliament is what they see on question time, of course,

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Speaker 2: which is a complete charade. It's a circus and that's

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Speaker 2: the way it's supposed to be.

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Speaker 3: But do you reckon it's a more fun than that.

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Speaker 2: Sal Well, look at the end of the day, that's

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Speaker 2: when everyone's hamming it up for the cameras. And you know,

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Speaker 2: that's just the way question time is. You know, it's

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Speaker 2: very adversary and that sort of stuff. But people walk

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Speaker 2: out a question time from different sides of the chamber

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Speaker 2: and go to lunch.

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Speaker 3: I have had a laugh and some of the best

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Speaker 2: The best friends I made in the Federal Parliament were

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Speaker 2: obviously I made very friends with people on my side too,

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Speaker 2: but it's it's a very collegiate sort of a place.

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Speaker 1: And then what happens, and I suppose when they're on

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Speaker 1: the same side of the party with the Gnats, they

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Speaker 6: Bit of.

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Speaker 2: What I find so amazing is that the nt years

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Speaker 2: talk about it.

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Speaker 3: Put in a request to speak to the Senator.

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Speaker 1: You got wonder the Senator went to ground. Obviously she

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Speaker 1: is in quarantine. Us understand it. But we put in

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Speaker 1: a request to speak to her yesterday, not at all

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Speaker 1: far of his office didn't provide. Sorry, they did provide

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Speaker 1: us a statement. And then we also i'd send a

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Speaker 1: message to Jamie de Brinney from the cop and dust

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Speaker 1: I heard crickets.

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Speaker 2: Let me guess fair enough, he statement would have said, listen,

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Speaker 2: it was a private dispirit. It's all been said.

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Speaker 1: Well he said that there I don't have it in

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Speaker 1: front of me now. But yes, he said that there

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Speaker 1: had been an apology, a contrite apology.

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Speaker 5: Well, if you're the camp, if you're the national national Secretary,

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Speaker 4: Director of every so often.

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Speaker 2: I don't know whether you know anything about Jonathan Hawks,

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Speaker 2: but I know Jonathan Hawks very very well. Jonathan Hawks

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Speaker 2: worked for me. Jonathan Hawks is a territorious good guy.

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Speaker 2: He's a top guy. His father was David Hawks, who

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Speaker 2: was the Public Service Commissioner. Harley would remember him from

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Speaker 2: a long time. Jonathan Hawks a good territory boy. He

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Speaker 1: You go, well, it had been I did receive a

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Speaker 1: message from an XELP member this morning who did say

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Speaker 1: I thought was a fair point worth making.

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Speaker 4: It's an interest now.

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Speaker 5: I was just talking to Dave as we were walking

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Speaker 5: in that no other job in Australia do you get

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Speaker 5: told nine months out from an election that you're actually

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Speaker 5: no longer going to have a job, but you're.

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Speaker 4: Expected to stay.

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Speaker 5: The pre selection battle was decided with just Iner Price.

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Speaker 5: And unless you're in that situation, how do you know

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Speaker 5: the pressure, the mental pressure that someone like the senators

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Speaker 4: But she knows that.

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Speaker 5: The club, the party's actually lost confidence or they've decided

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Speaker 5: to go in a different direction. It'd be terrible telling

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Speaker 5: a footy coach, can you keep coaching sucking at the

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Speaker 5: end of the season.

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Speaker 2: None of them hang around.

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Speaker 1: I will say for Senator Sam McMahon is that last week,

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Speaker 1: for example, she did keep pushing through for the Territory

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Speaker 1: all accounts, certainly in that last sittings of Parliament it

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Speaker 3: So I will I will give her that.

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Speaker 1: I reckon that she has despite being told that she's

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Speaker 1: not going to be you know, that she wasn't going

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Speaker 1: to be pre selected. She's she's gotten stuck in there.

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Speaker 2: It's off to a t, you know, like Hailey makes

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Speaker 2: a point. It's a very good point. You know, there's

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Speaker 2: no really incentive for her to keep going, but she

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Speaker 2: is going in good honor.

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Speaker 5: And Dave and I know what it's like to lose

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Speaker 5: that federal election and it's nobody, No one from the

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Speaker 5: And you go from being the big rooster to a

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Speaker 5: feather dust during And oh, I say to people, I

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Speaker 5: only ever got sacked once in my life.

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Speaker 4: Thirty seven thousand people.

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Speaker 5: Told me to piss off in one afternoon in twenty ten,

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Speaker 5: and it's replaced. It wasn't and well it was only

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Speaker 5: thirty seven It might have been more in two thousand

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Speaker 5: and seven for you, Dave.

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Speaker 4: But that's what happens.

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Speaker 5: But no one's there to tell you, all right, what

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Speaker 5: happens life after politics. You've just got to get on

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Speaker 5: with it. And so unless you've been in that situation. Now,

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Speaker 5: I'm not condoning violence, or I'm not condoning somebody having

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Speaker 5: to go at somebody else at a Christmas party or

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Speaker 5: whatever happened. But it's all allegations and often these things

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Speaker 5: at ten thirty or eleven o'clock at night, everyone's got

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Speaker 5: a different perception of what happened. People see it from

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Speaker 5: hour of the night, how can you find reliable witnesses

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Speaker 5: as well that it might be a little bit a

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Speaker 1: To say, well, look, Lis a lot on the agenda

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Speaker 1: this morning, and I do want to also ask you

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Speaker 1: both about the Prime Minister Scott Morrison and senior Liberals

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Speaker 1: former New South Wales Premier Gladys spiro Jiclian to run

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Speaker 1: as the party's candidate in Warringa at next year's federal election.

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Speaker 1: So Miss Sperit Jicklian, as we all know, quit the state.

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Speaker 1: Quits the state's premier in September after being named as

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Speaker 1: the subject of an Independent Commission Against Corruption inquiry. However,

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Speaker 1: Liberal figures have been quietly sounding her out about a

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Speaker 1: held by Independent Zali Stegel. So this is an interesting one,

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Speaker 4: Wait't happen? How does don't think it will happen?

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Speaker 5: Lloy, the the baggage that unfortunately Gladys springs. You could

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Speaker 5: imagine the core flutes, imagine the signs around the pollen,

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Speaker 5: and the Independent I think has been doing a pretty

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Speaker 4: Are, from what I've said.

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Speaker 5: From what job, and you would have an absolute field day.

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Speaker 5: The Premier is still in the in the eye.

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Speaker 2: Hasn't even got herself car yet, for God, and.

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Speaker 4: She's no chance of running in the seed that we're in.

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Speaker 1: Apparently there had been some polling done which did show

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Speaker 1: that that Gladys sparagically and would be able to ast

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Speaker 1: Zali Stegle with that polling. But I mean, I think

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Speaker 4: It out of a liberal branch meeting.

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Speaker 3: It's hugely popular.

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Speaker 1: I don't think that you know, whether whether we like

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Speaker 3: Gladys spiagically and was quite popular, you would have to.

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Speaker 2: She's very popular in particularly in South Wales and rightses

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Speaker 2: case like, she is very popular. I don't know that

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Speaker 2: there's any ever, any reason for a prime Minister and

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Speaker 2: a Treasurer to come out and endorse one particular candidate

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Speaker 2: over others. I know we're ringer. I know a couple

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Speaker 2: you know, Zali Stegel is a complete nut job, but

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Speaker 2: she's a Green Zealot. She's a Green Zealot right well.

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Speaker 2: And the view is she's not very popular in the electorate.

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Speaker 2: You know, the last election was more about getting rid

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Speaker 2: of Tanny Abbott than it was about electing Zari Stegel.

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Speaker 2: And she's you know, like a lot of independence in

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Speaker 2: the Federal Parliament is lost and it really has has

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Speaker 2: had no impact whatsoever. So it's seen as a seat

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Speaker 2: that the liberals will certainly look at picking up and

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Speaker 2: you know, may well be I do know a couple

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Speaker 2: of people that are running there. Whether they put their

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Speaker 2: but there's been a couple of people who've been going

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Speaker 2: at least for a couple of years now, knocking on doors,

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Speaker 2: do when you're sort of considering to be a candidate,

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Speaker 2: and you sort of feel for those sort of people

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Speaker 2: when you're Prime Minister and the treasurer parachute someone in,

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Speaker 2: you know, and the talk about the seats that they

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Speaker 2: were going to put her in, like you know, they

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Speaker 2: you know, I mean, goodness, may where does Gladys live.

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Speaker 3: I was winter sports.

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Speaker 2: I'll tell you what these clients coast beautiful coastal regions

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Speaker 5: Well, this is called the big issues. It's usually the

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Speaker 2: Now you are the sports now.

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Speaker 5: There's an opportunity for me and you to get on

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Speaker 1: Well look, just a cross cutting measure really good skiers.

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Speaker 2: But I suppose the point is, like, is anybody in

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Speaker 4: The diplomat said in the athletes.

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Speaker 5: Still, we've got four public servants that aren't going.

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Speaker 2: This is a potential to make Zari Stagger relevant.

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Speaker 5: Irrelevant today seven times never.

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Speaker 3: I'm starting to worry.

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Speaker 2: How are you thinking tuned in?

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Speaker 4: You have ever had barbecue asparagus? That's one of my favorite.

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Speaker 3: I was going to say, I'm surprised by that. Looks Katie,

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Speaker 3: it's a real fighter.

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Speaker 1: No, it's not a real My question is why is

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Speaker 2: Because he's a weirder just like Chim and Dean both.

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Speaker 2: It's full like if you're going to do a barbie,

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Speaker 3: There's no one else there, that's right.

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Speaker 4: Why wouldn't you get a photo with about four hundred.

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Speaker 1: I reckon their roommates they used to be Apparently back

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Speaker 5: They could have had a barbecue for the four hundred

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Speaker 2: Now, given they're both plastic, you can see they didn't.

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Speaker 4: That's that's the real issue.

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Speaker 3: You're really you're not a fan of either.

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Speaker 2: Given they both made a plastic you wouldn't want to

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Speaker 5: Well, Dave's on message now because our bows in front of.

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Speaker 4: The poles and so the polls. So Dave's on message.

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Speaker 5: Milly the man because we haven't got any policies.

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Speaker 3: That's about this. When do we reckon?

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Speaker 1: This federal election is going to be called early next year.

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Speaker 1: What months do you think it's going to happen.

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Speaker 4: I reckon March.

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Speaker 5: No, I'm not before the budget because he doesn't have

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Speaker 5: a good story to tell on the budget you got,

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Speaker 2: See Elbow put out his fake sort of plan from

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Speaker 3: Fake plan.

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Speaker 4: Don't let yeah a policy for ten years, So they

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Speaker 4: You know that has taken a long time.

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Speaker 5: That's all we need, though, we need something from the

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Speaker 1: Well, so you're you're picking March. You reckoned the federal election.

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Speaker 5: I'll make the I'll make the observation now that on

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Speaker 4: To bring down your Dutch.

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Speaker 5: Got the other Yobo in a V eight supercar doing

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Speaker 1: It's Interesting's got a plan for Australia.

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Speaker 2: And the other Blake's living in some sort of some

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Speaker 4: Know, he's on message, isn't the man We're all going

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Speaker 2: Thank God for elbow.

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Speaker 4: Snow for the Winter Olympics to go ahead.

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Speaker 2: Public servants compete in that one is Zali Stegeler. I'm

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Speaker 1: Worried about Dave's fascination with ste.

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Speaker 4: Too close to Christmas for the show.

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Speaker 1: Well, yeah, I am hearing May is the guy, but

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Speaker 2: I think my ill hang on me because I mean

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Speaker 2: there's might as well well at the end of the well,

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Speaker 2: he doesn't want it.

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Speaker 4: He doesn't What.

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Speaker 2: Alban As he put out is a joke. It really

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Speaker 4: Policy Scott from marketing.

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Speaker 5: That's about all he's got at the end of the day,

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Speaker 1: It's going to be interesting to see when it all happens.

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Speaker 4: Mirrors.

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Speaker 1: I'm looking forward to, you know, to making sure that

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Speaker 1: we do get to talk more about the federal election

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Speaker 1: next year.

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Speaker 4: Commodated. Yeah, a decade.

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Speaker 3: I was in for a.

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Speaker 5: Decade of to enough half an hour with one week's

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Speaker 4: It's time.

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Speaker 3: Well, I tell you what.

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Speaker 1: I think that they're all going to need to make

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Speaker 3: And the big thing over.

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Speaker 1: The last two years, COVID has had a huge impact,

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Speaker 1: suppose about.

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Speaker 2: That jobs, all that sort of stuff.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I do think though, people definitely do want to

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Speaker 3: There's no doubt about that. But I don't know.

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Speaker 2: Dave's nodding very chasing unicorns.

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Speaker 5: We work, we'll be walking out back on the flat

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Speaker 3: Goodness.

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Speaker 1: May well, I tell you what that's just about it

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Speaker 1: for for the big issues.

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Speaker 3: This morning wonderful act.

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Speaker 2: You know, he shaved the snile off his top lip.

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Speaker 5: Little bit of milk on it and stewing off the

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Speaker 2: I don't know how people.

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Speaker 3: Well, anyway on that for.

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Speaker 2: About a week and I start to eat it.

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Speaker 7: Well, the shoes, the flatter, the president of the Flat

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Speaker 6: Catch up, and

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