1 00:00:06,000 --> 00:00:09,640 Speaker 1: Hello, Welcome to the Happy Families Podcast. Kids these Days? 2 00:00:09,720 --> 00:00:12,320 Speaker 1: What is the deal with kids these days? I feel 3 00:00:12,320 --> 00:00:15,320 Speaker 1: like I feel like I've literally just become a talkback 4 00:00:15,560 --> 00:00:18,560 Speaker 1: radio host. Kids these days? Fair give us a call 5 00:00:18,600 --> 00:00:21,160 Speaker 1: in the open line. Now, tell us what kids? That's 6 00:00:21,200 --> 00:00:22,800 Speaker 1: how it feels, right. It feels like I'm a boomer 7 00:00:22,840 --> 00:00:24,560 Speaker 1: who's complaining about kids these days. 8 00:00:24,840 --> 00:00:28,920 Speaker 2: You're getting close. It's like I believe you said that 9 00:00:29,000 --> 00:00:30,240 Speaker 2: you just turned fifteen. 10 00:00:31,160 --> 00:00:34,559 Speaker 1: The kids these days affect every generation thinks that the 11 00:00:34,640 --> 00:00:38,239 Speaker 1: younger generation is going to the dogs. It's a tendency 12 00:00:38,280 --> 00:00:42,080 Speaker 1: that traces back millennia, and a fascinating new studi has 13 00:00:42,159 --> 00:00:44,720 Speaker 1: just been published that explores where this perception comes from, 14 00:00:45,320 --> 00:00:50,000 Speaker 1: finds out that it's wrong, and points to two main culprits. Today, 15 00:00:50,040 --> 00:00:54,160 Speaker 1: on the Happy Families Podcast, we unpack why previous generations 16 00:00:54,160 --> 00:00:59,440 Speaker 1: think current generations are just not made to handle life 17 00:01:00,080 --> 00:01:03,520 Speaker 1: they're wrong, and where these ideas come from. This is 18 00:01:03,560 --> 00:01:05,480 Speaker 1: going to be a really fun one. It's the Doctor's 19 00:01:05,520 --> 00:01:08,679 Speaker 1: desk on the Happy Families Podcast. All that and more 20 00:01:08,760 --> 00:01:13,640 Speaker 1: coming up next. Stay with us. Hello, and welcome to 21 00:01:13,680 --> 00:01:16,160 Speaker 1: the Happy Families Podcast. We are so glad you've joined us. 22 00:01:16,319 --> 00:01:18,360 Speaker 1: Where Justin and Kylie Course and this is Australia's most 23 00:01:18,360 --> 00:01:21,560 Speaker 1: downloaded parenting podcast where you get real parenting solutions every 24 00:01:21,600 --> 00:01:25,200 Speaker 1: single day. Today a quick lesson in charity, compassion and 25 00:01:26,000 --> 00:01:30,280 Speaker 1: long memories. Kylie, do you think that kids back in 26 00:01:30,319 --> 00:01:34,319 Speaker 1: the day were more respectful than kids today? Trick question? Perhaps? 27 00:01:34,440 --> 00:01:36,120 Speaker 1: Are you looking at me with that scrunched up face, 28 00:01:36,200 --> 00:01:37,560 Speaker 1: like where are you're going? Are you going to try 29 00:01:37,600 --> 00:01:39,880 Speaker 1: and get me on this one? I have to say, yes, Oh, 30 00:01:40,680 --> 00:01:42,680 Speaker 1: are you falling for the kids? These says Fallacy. No, 31 00:01:43,040 --> 00:01:43,399 Speaker 1: I'm not. 32 00:01:43,640 --> 00:01:45,640 Speaker 2: But I listened to the things that happen in the 33 00:01:45,640 --> 00:01:49,400 Speaker 2: classroom and they just they didn't happen in my space. 34 00:01:49,960 --> 00:01:51,040 Speaker 1: Didn't happen in your day? 35 00:01:51,560 --> 00:01:54,360 Speaker 2: No, I'm not saying my day, but I didn't experience it, 36 00:01:54,400 --> 00:01:57,000 Speaker 2: and I didn't have conversations with people where it was happening. 37 00:01:57,600 --> 00:02:01,200 Speaker 1: Interesting. What about intelligence? Do you think the kids today 38 00:02:01,360 --> 00:02:04,000 Speaker 1: are just less intelligent than No? 39 00:02:04,000 --> 00:02:06,480 Speaker 2: No, no, for the most part, Like that was a 40 00:02:06,520 --> 00:02:09,240 Speaker 2: really trick question for me, because for the most part, 41 00:02:09,520 --> 00:02:13,320 Speaker 2: I don't actually have a generational thing. I think that 42 00:02:14,040 --> 00:02:17,480 Speaker 2: too often, Like I have so many conversations with people 43 00:02:17,520 --> 00:02:20,320 Speaker 2: where they're reminiscing about you know, kind of the seventies 44 00:02:20,360 --> 00:02:22,239 Speaker 2: when we were growing up, or the eighties or whatever. 45 00:02:22,880 --> 00:02:25,440 Speaker 2: And I feel like they've got a bit of the 46 00:02:25,560 --> 00:02:29,760 Speaker 2: rose colored glasses syndrome going on. Yeah, because they talk 47 00:02:29,840 --> 00:02:33,440 Speaker 2: about it like it's this very topia of you know, 48 00:02:33,639 --> 00:02:34,600 Speaker 2: just brilliance, and. 49 00:02:35,000 --> 00:02:37,960 Speaker 1: We had it right, we did it right. We're emoticizing 50 00:02:38,000 --> 00:02:39,799 Speaker 1: and getting nostalgic about the past. 51 00:02:39,720 --> 00:02:40,680 Speaker 2: But it really wasn't. 52 00:02:41,160 --> 00:02:43,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, it was hard. So let me tell you about 53 00:02:43,600 --> 00:02:46,080 Speaker 1: this study because it caught my attention and I just, 54 00:02:46,360 --> 00:02:48,639 Speaker 1: I mean, I really really like this one. This is 55 00:02:48,720 --> 00:02:53,160 Speaker 1: in the journal Science Advances. Science Advances, published a couple 56 00:02:53,200 --> 00:02:55,280 Speaker 1: of years ago. Actually it was published just before COVID. 57 00:02:55,639 --> 00:02:57,959 Speaker 1: But I don't think that makes any real difference, because 58 00:02:58,280 --> 00:03:02,280 Speaker 1: the kids these days phenomenal been around since well, we've 59 00:03:02,280 --> 00:03:06,919 Speaker 1: got recorded history from the six hundred's BC where people 60 00:03:06,960 --> 00:03:10,400 Speaker 1: are saying, kids these days, they're not respectful like we 61 00:03:10,520 --> 00:03:12,840 Speaker 1: used to be, and it seems like it's ubiquitous. It 62 00:03:12,840 --> 00:03:16,040 Speaker 1: seems to go across not just the generations, but across 63 00:03:16,080 --> 00:03:19,080 Speaker 1: cultures as well. So let me walk you through this. 64 00:03:19,200 --> 00:03:21,000 Speaker 2: We did have corporal punishment back then. 65 00:03:21,880 --> 00:03:24,079 Speaker 1: That's what they'll say on the talk back shows. Kids 66 00:03:24,120 --> 00:03:25,760 Speaker 1: were more respectful back then because they knew they were 67 00:03:25,760 --> 00:03:27,280 Speaker 1: going to get a warp. I think kids were just 68 00:03:27,280 --> 00:03:29,000 Speaker 1: sneakier back then because they knew they were going to 69 00:03:29,160 --> 00:03:31,799 Speaker 1: get a warp. So here's what happened why the youth 70 00:03:31,840 --> 00:03:34,880 Speaker 1: of today seemed lacking. That's the study by John Protzko 71 00:03:35,080 --> 00:03:39,320 Speaker 1: and Jonathan Schooler in five preregistered studies. Preregistered means that 72 00:03:39,360 --> 00:03:41,920 Speaker 1: they're doing science the right way, and you can sort 73 00:03:41,920 --> 00:03:43,720 Speaker 1: of get in there early. You know exactly what they're 74 00:03:43,720 --> 00:03:45,160 Speaker 1: going to do, and they're not going to mind the 75 00:03:45,240 --> 00:03:47,200 Speaker 1: data to find some kind of solution because they're not 76 00:03:47,200 --> 00:03:49,160 Speaker 1: finding what they're looking for. They have a look at 77 00:03:49,360 --> 00:03:52,960 Speaker 1: people's tendency to believe that kids these days are efficient 78 00:03:53,040 --> 00:03:56,520 Speaker 1: relative to kids of previous generations. And they had a 79 00:03:56,560 --> 00:03:58,400 Speaker 1: look at a US study, but they had three and 80 00:03:58,400 --> 00:04:01,840 Speaker 1: a half thousand American adults, and they found that adults 81 00:04:01,920 --> 00:04:06,400 Speaker 1: today believe that today's youth are in decline, decline, they're 82 00:04:06,440 --> 00:04:11,400 Speaker 1: going backwards. Authoritarian people especially think youth less respectful their elders. 83 00:04:11,800 --> 00:04:15,120 Speaker 1: Intelligent people especially think youth or less intelligent, and well 84 00:04:15,160 --> 00:04:21,120 Speaker 1: read people especially think youth enjoy reading less. And basically 85 00:04:21,200 --> 00:04:22,680 Speaker 1: the rest of the study was about working out what 86 00:04:22,680 --> 00:04:25,640 Speaker 1: are the mechanisms behind these beliefs? Why is it that 87 00:04:25,680 --> 00:04:27,920 Speaker 1: people believe what they believe about kids these days? 88 00:04:28,200 --> 00:04:30,239 Speaker 2: It reminds me of a quote that you've shared multiple 89 00:04:30,240 --> 00:04:33,240 Speaker 2: times on the podcast, something along the lines of the 90 00:04:33,279 --> 00:04:36,520 Speaker 2: past is a foreign country. They do things differently. There 91 00:04:36,560 --> 00:04:37,520 Speaker 2: is something like that. 92 00:04:37,600 --> 00:04:40,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's exactly it. They do things differently there. It's 93 00:04:40,080 --> 00:04:43,000 Speaker 1: from a novel called The go Between by LP Hartley. 94 00:04:43,560 --> 00:04:46,000 Speaker 2: And I think about my upbringing, and I think about 95 00:04:46,160 --> 00:04:49,560 Speaker 2: the experiences that I had as a youth, and I 96 00:04:49,640 --> 00:04:53,760 Speaker 2: think about how much I've learned and grown and therefore 97 00:04:54,240 --> 00:05:00,200 Speaker 2: have changed the way I interact with our children. And 98 00:05:00,279 --> 00:05:05,360 Speaker 2: it's so hard to look back and judge the youth 99 00:05:05,680 --> 00:05:09,960 Speaker 2: of our time based on what we now know. 100 00:05:10,600 --> 00:05:13,000 Speaker 1: Right, And that's one of the key mechanisms You've just 101 00:05:13,040 --> 00:05:15,440 Speaker 1: tapped into, one of the two things that these researchers found. 102 00:05:15,520 --> 00:05:17,160 Speaker 1: So what I want to do just before the break 103 00:05:17,279 --> 00:05:19,080 Speaker 1: is I want to share the two mechanisms that underpin 104 00:05:19,560 --> 00:05:23,240 Speaker 1: why adults are doing this, and while there is some 105 00:05:23,320 --> 00:05:26,640 Speaker 1: evidence for some of these things being problematic and challenging, 106 00:05:27,480 --> 00:05:31,360 Speaker 1: why this belief has persisted across generations, and whether it 107 00:05:31,400 --> 00:05:35,040 Speaker 1: is or is not true. So mechanism number one is 108 00:05:35,920 --> 00:05:40,200 Speaker 1: when we denigrate kids, we denigrate the rising generation because 109 00:05:40,440 --> 00:05:42,800 Speaker 1: what we tend to do is we notice the limitations 110 00:05:42,800 --> 00:05:45,680 Speaker 1: of other people, particularly in areas that we're excelling. Okay, 111 00:05:45,760 --> 00:05:48,960 Speaker 1: so somebody who is quite authoritarian that means that they're 112 00:05:49,000 --> 00:05:52,280 Speaker 1: big on respect, they're going to notice where disrespect exists. 113 00:05:52,520 --> 00:05:55,000 Speaker 1: And if that's a strong or somebody who reads a lot, 114 00:05:55,000 --> 00:05:57,320 Speaker 1: they're going to notice. Kids are on screen these days. 115 00:05:57,480 --> 00:05:59,560 Speaker 1: Somebody who is more intelligent is going to be like 116 00:05:59,720 --> 00:06:01,120 Speaker 1: kids these days, Like the non. 117 00:06:01,120 --> 00:06:02,600 Speaker 2: Viauon but screens is going to be a huge one 118 00:06:02,640 --> 00:06:04,000 Speaker 2: because we didn't have a screen. 119 00:06:04,040 --> 00:06:06,720 Speaker 1: Of course, So these things stand out and make us 120 00:06:06,760 --> 00:06:10,760 Speaker 1: much more likely to denigrate the rising generation. The other 121 00:06:10,960 --> 00:06:15,480 Speaker 1: mechanism behind this is that we think that we've always 122 00:06:15,480 --> 00:06:18,800 Speaker 1: been how we are now. So I look at myself 123 00:06:18,960 --> 00:06:20,920 Speaker 1: and I think, well, I believe what I believe, and 124 00:06:20,960 --> 00:06:22,120 Speaker 1: I act the way that I act, and this is 125 00:06:22,120 --> 00:06:24,839 Speaker 1: how I've always been. And kids these days, I mean, 126 00:06:24,880 --> 00:06:26,919 Speaker 1: they're just so immature and they just haven't figured this 127 00:06:26,920 --> 00:06:31,159 Speaker 1: stuff out. Which so I have a journal that I 128 00:06:31,240 --> 00:06:33,760 Speaker 1: kept when I was a teenager and a young adult, 129 00:06:33,760 --> 00:06:35,040 Speaker 1: and every now and again I flick through it and 130 00:06:35,080 --> 00:06:36,800 Speaker 1: I read it, and I struggle to read it because 131 00:06:36,800 --> 00:06:39,560 Speaker 1: I can't believe how immature I was. I can't believe 132 00:06:39,600 --> 00:06:41,160 Speaker 1: the things that I said, the things that I thought, 133 00:06:41,200 --> 00:06:43,000 Speaker 1: the thing I mean, I was not. I don't think 134 00:06:43,000 --> 00:06:45,000 Speaker 1: I was a bad kid, but oh my goodness, I 135 00:06:45,080 --> 00:06:47,400 Speaker 1: just I shake my head and think, really, you actually 136 00:06:47,440 --> 00:06:50,320 Speaker 1: said that, Like, come on, you goober. 137 00:06:51,040 --> 00:06:53,320 Speaker 2: But we do this in our like in our homes 138 00:06:53,360 --> 00:06:56,040 Speaker 2: all the time. We get our children in trouble for things, 139 00:06:56,839 --> 00:06:59,800 Speaker 2: expecting them to do something that we could never have 140 00:07:00,320 --> 00:07:02,000 Speaker 2: at the same age they were at. 141 00:07:02,120 --> 00:07:06,159 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's right, that's right, And that's where this Kids 142 00:07:06,200 --> 00:07:09,360 Speaker 1: These Days effect comes from. After the break, I want 143 00:07:09,400 --> 00:07:12,040 Speaker 1: to talk a bit more about it, including a quick 144 00:07:12,040 --> 00:07:14,440 Speaker 1: summary of some ideas that I've got around why this 145 00:07:14,520 --> 00:07:25,720 Speaker 1: belief exists and why it's bad. We're back. This is 146 00:07:25,800 --> 00:07:27,960 Speaker 1: the Happy Families podcast. If you like what you're hearing, 147 00:07:28,000 --> 00:07:30,080 Speaker 1: please give us a follow and share the podcast with 148 00:07:30,120 --> 00:07:32,680 Speaker 1: those around you so that can make other people's families 149 00:07:32,680 --> 00:07:37,000 Speaker 1: happy as well. In the podcast today, Kids These Days, Kylie, 150 00:07:37,080 --> 00:07:38,880 Speaker 1: I want to make a couple of arguments, a couple 151 00:07:38,880 --> 00:07:44,040 Speaker 1: of statements about why this is a bit of an issue. 152 00:07:44,280 --> 00:07:46,920 Speaker 1: The first is that every generation complains about the next 153 00:07:46,920 --> 00:07:50,680 Speaker 1: and they always have. Adults have literally, we've got so 154 00:07:50,800 --> 00:07:53,880 Speaker 1: many great quotes through the centuries, through the millennia where 155 00:07:53,920 --> 00:07:56,400 Speaker 1: adults have been lamenting that kids these days are worse 156 00:07:56,480 --> 00:07:59,720 Speaker 1: or lasier or more disrespectful, and the complaints haven't changed 157 00:07:59,720 --> 00:08:02,120 Speaker 1: across the centuries, Like people today are still making the 158 00:08:02,160 --> 00:08:04,880 Speaker 1: same complaints as people one hundred years ago or five 159 00:08:04,960 --> 00:08:07,280 Speaker 1: hundred years ago or a thousand years ago, literally the 160 00:08:07,320 --> 00:08:11,040 Speaker 1: same complaints. Kids today are disrespectful, don't respect their elders, 161 00:08:11,240 --> 00:08:13,600 Speaker 1: they're lazy, they're indolent, they're not going anywhere, they're not 162 00:08:13,640 --> 00:08:17,280 Speaker 1: doing anything, they're not learning. And yet kids still make 163 00:08:17,360 --> 00:08:19,600 Speaker 1: it like it's just is it. 164 00:08:19,520 --> 00:08:20,720 Speaker 2: Just because we're all deluded? 165 00:08:20,840 --> 00:08:23,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, yes, yes, it actually is. It actually is. 166 00:08:23,760 --> 00:08:26,680 Speaker 2: What's crazy is that when you actually look at the evidence, 167 00:08:27,960 --> 00:08:30,320 Speaker 2: kids are doing better than they've ever done in so 168 00:08:30,480 --> 00:08:31,120 Speaker 2: many areas. 169 00:08:31,200 --> 00:08:33,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, there are definitely areas for us to 170 00:08:33,080 --> 00:08:35,600 Speaker 1: be worried, But I genuinely think that a lot of 171 00:08:35,600 --> 00:08:37,720 Speaker 1: this is media beat up, a lot of this is hype. 172 00:08:37,880 --> 00:08:42,880 Speaker 1: Mental health challenges, education challenges. They've always existed, and part 173 00:08:42,920 --> 00:08:45,120 Speaker 1: of what's going on here. The reason, if anything, that 174 00:08:45,160 --> 00:08:46,920 Speaker 1: things are worse is not because of kids. Rather, it's 175 00:08:46,960 --> 00:08:48,960 Speaker 1: because of what the adults are doing to the world. 176 00:08:49,240 --> 00:08:51,839 Speaker 1: The mental health industrial complex as it exists now did 177 00:08:51,880 --> 00:08:54,160 Speaker 1: not exist when we were growing up, and kids then 178 00:08:54,240 --> 00:08:57,160 Speaker 1: didn't have the same mental health challenges because parents were 179 00:08:57,200 --> 00:08:59,800 Speaker 1: more available. The cost of living was more of a 180 00:08:59,800 --> 00:09:04,240 Speaker 1: ful audible people lived, I would argue, reasonably more balanced lives, hopefully, 181 00:09:04,400 --> 00:09:06,560 Speaker 1: and I'm not trying to get romantic or nostalgic about 182 00:09:06,559 --> 00:09:09,080 Speaker 1: the past. But also there was not this huge mental 183 00:09:09,120 --> 00:09:11,280 Speaker 1: health industrial complex out there telling everybody that they had 184 00:09:11,320 --> 00:09:13,320 Speaker 1: anxiety and depression and they needed to be a medicaid 185 00:09:13,360 --> 00:09:15,200 Speaker 1: and they need to be medically Yeah, like big Farmer 186 00:09:15,320 --> 00:09:20,160 Speaker 1: and big mental health. I genuinely believe it're responsible, literally 187 00:09:20,200 --> 00:09:23,360 Speaker 1: responsible for at least part of the enormous increase in 188 00:09:23,400 --> 00:09:26,280 Speaker 1: mental health challenges. Has society changed as well, Yes it has. 189 00:09:26,360 --> 00:09:28,319 Speaker 1: Is that part of the part of the problem, Yes 190 00:09:28,360 --> 00:09:31,719 Speaker 1: it is. But anyway, the second key point bouncing out 191 00:09:31,720 --> 00:09:34,360 Speaker 1: of this study is and the researcher has mentioned it, 192 00:09:34,400 --> 00:09:35,600 Speaker 1: but it's one that I want to have a home 193 00:09:35,679 --> 00:09:39,880 Speaker 1: nostalgia to thoughts memory, so we romanticize our own youth, 194 00:09:39,920 --> 00:09:41,960 Speaker 1: we forget that, we will criticize it exactly the same 195 00:09:41,960 --> 00:09:44,280 Speaker 1: ways when we were young. That's why I tell the 196 00:09:44,280 --> 00:09:46,360 Speaker 1: story about why I hated high school, while why I 197 00:09:46,400 --> 00:09:50,400 Speaker 1: barely finished, how I had a whole lot of attitude. 198 00:09:50,440 --> 00:09:52,680 Speaker 1: I gave my parents a hard time. I share that 199 00:09:53,000 --> 00:09:54,800 Speaker 1: because I don't want to forget that I was a 200 00:09:55,080 --> 00:09:56,680 Speaker 1: pain in the barm. And so when our kids are 201 00:09:56,679 --> 00:10:00,160 Speaker 1: being a pain in the bum, it's my way of remembering, well, 202 00:10:00,200 --> 00:10:03,320 Speaker 1: I was too. And that's just what kids are as 203 00:10:03,360 --> 00:10:05,680 Speaker 1: they're trying to figure themselves out in a society that 204 00:10:05,760 --> 00:10:07,120 Speaker 1: does not make it easy for them. 205 00:10:07,520 --> 00:10:09,760 Speaker 2: You suggested you had a few points, what's your next one? 206 00:10:09,920 --> 00:10:12,959 Speaker 1: So I think, and this is kind of a bit 207 00:10:12,960 --> 00:10:14,880 Speaker 1: of a gut punch to us as adults, but I 208 00:10:14,880 --> 00:10:17,120 Speaker 1: think the complaints reveal more about us than about the kids. 209 00:10:18,160 --> 00:10:19,240 Speaker 2: Our lack of tolerance. 210 00:10:19,440 --> 00:10:21,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, like starting with the man in the mirror to 211 00:10:22,000 --> 00:10:24,560 Speaker 1: quote I don't know if I want to quote Michael Jackson. 212 00:10:24,559 --> 00:10:29,000 Speaker 1: Actually his reputation has not stood well under scrutiny. But basically, 213 00:10:29,120 --> 00:10:32,160 Speaker 1: all of these criticisms about kids these days seem to 214 00:10:32,200 --> 00:10:36,960 Speaker 1: reflect our anxieties and our resistance to change. 215 00:10:37,120 --> 00:10:38,480 Speaker 2: But do you think it's that, or do you think 216 00:10:38,520 --> 00:10:41,520 Speaker 2: it's actually more to do with, especially from a parenting perspective, 217 00:10:42,280 --> 00:10:46,880 Speaker 2: our anxieties around what other people will think of us 218 00:10:46,880 --> 00:10:48,680 Speaker 2: as a result of where our kids are. 219 00:10:48,720 --> 00:10:51,600 Speaker 1: There's probably a little bit of that. I know how 220 00:10:51,600 --> 00:10:54,280 Speaker 1: I feel about the kids being on screens, but I 221 00:10:54,480 --> 00:10:55,760 Speaker 1: know how much I was on a screen. And I 222 00:10:55,840 --> 00:10:58,160 Speaker 1: hope the kids aren't listening to this episode as it drops, 223 00:10:58,200 --> 00:11:00,480 Speaker 1: because I watched I was on screens so much. I 224 00:11:00,480 --> 00:11:02,679 Speaker 1: mean I was outside a thousand times more than the 225 00:11:02,760 --> 00:11:06,560 Speaker 1: kids as well. But I would come home from a 226 00:11:06,679 --> 00:11:08,640 Speaker 1: six hour surf on a Saturday morning and I just 227 00:11:08,720 --> 00:11:11,600 Speaker 1: plunk myself on the couch and watched Channel nine's Wide 228 00:11:11,640 --> 00:11:13,800 Speaker 1: World of Sports all Saturday afternoon. I'll watch it for 229 00:11:13,800 --> 00:11:17,520 Speaker 1: five or six hours and would not move. And my 230 00:11:17,559 --> 00:11:19,080 Speaker 1: parents are okay with me sitting on the couch for 231 00:11:19,080 --> 00:11:20,800 Speaker 1: five or six hours on a Saturday over That's just 232 00:11:20,800 --> 00:11:23,440 Speaker 1: what I did today. If a child was doing that, 233 00:11:23,640 --> 00:11:25,520 Speaker 1: if one of our children were doing that, I'd be 234 00:11:25,600 --> 00:11:27,880 Speaker 1: up in arms. I'd be like, come on, get outside, movier. Body. 235 00:11:28,200 --> 00:11:31,360 Speaker 1: Having said that, I had been a champion swimmer and 236 00:11:31,480 --> 00:11:34,000 Speaker 1: doing all the surfing and all that sort of thing. 237 00:11:34,080 --> 00:11:37,440 Speaker 1: So it's kind of a bit are you justifying. Yeah, 238 00:11:37,559 --> 00:11:41,160 Speaker 1: it's a bit here, it's a bit there. Thanks for that. 239 00:11:41,559 --> 00:11:43,000 Speaker 1: There's another point that I wanted to make as well, 240 00:11:43,000 --> 00:11:45,120 Speaker 1: and that is that the evidence doesn't actually support the 241 00:11:45,200 --> 00:11:49,679 Speaker 1: decline narrative. So it is true that some evidents in 242 00:11:49,720 --> 00:11:52,720 Speaker 1: the last handful of years is showing that young people 243 00:11:52,760 --> 00:11:58,920 Speaker 1: are less conscientious, more lonely, are less likely to persist 244 00:11:59,000 --> 00:12:02,680 Speaker 1: with something difficult. That evidence does seem to be there, 245 00:12:02,679 --> 00:12:05,800 Speaker 1: but I want to really hasten to add the best 246 00:12:05,840 --> 00:12:08,920 Speaker 1: evidence comes from a big American survey that was looked 247 00:12:08,920 --> 00:12:11,480 Speaker 1: at in the Financial Times just recently by a guy 248 00:12:11,480 --> 00:12:14,160 Speaker 1: called John Burn Murdoch, and the youngest age group he 249 00:12:14,200 --> 00:12:18,160 Speaker 1: looked at was the sixteen to thirty nine year old 250 00:12:18,520 --> 00:12:24,320 Speaker 1: age group relative to the forty to sixty age group 251 00:12:24,320 --> 00:12:26,920 Speaker 1: and then the sixty plus age group. Sixteen to thirty 252 00:12:27,000 --> 00:12:30,240 Speaker 1: nine is a massive age group, a huge developmental difference. 253 00:12:30,640 --> 00:12:33,920 Speaker 1: But the younger age group, and we're talking about up 254 00:12:33,960 --> 00:12:37,600 Speaker 1: to forty certainly getting worse outcomes than you'd like. But 255 00:12:37,679 --> 00:12:40,079 Speaker 1: I just when we have a look at what the 256 00:12:40,080 --> 00:12:44,679 Speaker 1: evidence shows objectively, at a general level, young people are 257 00:12:44,720 --> 00:12:47,040 Speaker 1: often more tolerant and more socially conscious, and they're more 258 00:12:47,080 --> 00:12:50,200 Speaker 1: capable than previous generations. I just think we're riding our 259 00:12:50,240 --> 00:12:52,800 Speaker 1: young people way too hard. And the last thing is 260 00:12:52,800 --> 00:12:56,240 Speaker 1: that the complaints are harmful, like we're denegrating them. These 261 00:12:56,440 --> 00:13:02,760 Speaker 1: constant negative characterizations. They have to some damage to intergenerational relationships. 262 00:13:03,040 --> 00:13:05,760 Speaker 1: They have to become self fulfilling prophecies that are going 263 00:13:05,800 --> 00:13:08,600 Speaker 1: to undermine young people's potential and confidence. And I don't 264 00:13:08,600 --> 00:13:11,400 Speaker 1: think it's helpful so kids these days, it's not a 265 00:13:11,400 --> 00:13:13,400 Speaker 1: helpful conversation. I think we've got to believe in our kids. 266 00:13:13,440 --> 00:13:15,280 Speaker 1: I think we've got to support our kids, and we've 267 00:13:15,320 --> 00:13:19,040 Speaker 1: got to push them in positive directions, not keep on 268 00:13:19,160 --> 00:13:21,640 Speaker 1: bagging them and telling them how they're not adequate. 269 00:13:21,960 --> 00:13:25,160 Speaker 2: Well, I think that you've proved your point good a 270 00:13:25,240 --> 00:13:26,200 Speaker 2: million times over. 271 00:13:26,320 --> 00:13:26,679 Speaker 1: Thank you. 272 00:13:27,160 --> 00:13:31,160 Speaker 2: Sorry that you are joining the boomers with your. 273 00:13:31,200 --> 00:13:37,680 Speaker 1: Naging something nice about me, and you've gone there. We 274 00:13:37,760 --> 00:13:40,920 Speaker 1: need to wrap it up. The Happy Families podcasts. I 275 00:13:40,920 --> 00:13:44,880 Speaker 1: hope you like this Doctor's Desk episode. Gosh, the Happy 276 00:13:44,880 --> 00:13:48,960 Speaker 1: Families podcast has produced kids these days. It's you these days, 277 00:13:49,280 --> 00:13:52,000 Speaker 1: you know what? Before I finish with Jr's specially outro 278 00:13:53,400 --> 00:13:56,200 Speaker 1: people say kids these days. But if you talk to 279 00:13:56,240 --> 00:13:59,240 Speaker 1: anybody who works in the services industries, anyone who works 280 00:13:59,240 --> 00:14:01,800 Speaker 1: in a restaurant, works in retail, who works in a 281 00:14:01,800 --> 00:14:06,680 Speaker 1: public facing industry, they will tell you that it's the 282 00:14:06,679 --> 00:14:10,160 Speaker 1: boomers as the adults that are much more disrespectful, that 283 00:14:10,200 --> 00:14:13,680 Speaker 1: are much more entitled. Yeah, that just get stuck into 284 00:14:13,720 --> 00:14:16,120 Speaker 1: people and dig their heels in and have tantrums in 285 00:14:16,440 --> 00:14:19,040 Speaker 1: restaurants and shop fronts because their steak hasn't been cooked 286 00:14:19,120 --> 00:14:19,560 Speaker 1: quite right. 287 00:14:19,640 --> 00:14:23,360 Speaker 2: Or We've got three girls working in retail at the moment, 288 00:14:23,520 --> 00:14:29,240 Speaker 2: and I am just bewildered at the level of entitlement 289 00:14:29,280 --> 00:14:30,040 Speaker 2: that people have. 290 00:14:30,480 --> 00:14:34,000 Speaker 1: And it's not just the old blokes, Like my mum's 291 00:14:34,080 --> 00:14:36,880 Speaker 1: name is Karen, so I hate this title, but our 292 00:14:36,880 --> 00:14:39,440 Speaker 1: girls have come home many times and said the sixty 293 00:14:39,480 --> 00:14:42,480 Speaker 1: and seventy year old Karens that come in and just and. 294 00:14:42,840 --> 00:14:44,960 Speaker 2: The way they just drutally attack. 295 00:14:44,880 --> 00:14:46,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, how. 296 00:14:46,320 --> 00:14:48,400 Speaker 2: Girls come home nearly in tears as they kind of 297 00:14:48,400 --> 00:14:51,920 Speaker 2: share experiences where they've just been berated for nothing more 298 00:14:51,960 --> 00:14:53,560 Speaker 2: than they didn't have their size. 299 00:14:53,920 --> 00:14:57,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, respectfulness, laziness, all the things that kids have been 300 00:14:57,880 --> 00:15:01,040 Speaker 1: bagged for. I think it's cross generational. Just can't we 301 00:15:01,080 --> 00:15:03,720 Speaker 1: can't see it. Can't write off an entire cohort, an 302 00:15:03,840 --> 00:15:06,880 Speaker 1: entire generation, just because we see a couple of bad examples. 303 00:15:07,040 --> 00:15:10,320 Speaker 1: It happens at every stratum and every age, and every 304 00:15:10,360 --> 00:15:13,240 Speaker 1: cohort and every part of society. Now I feel like 305 00:15:13,280 --> 00:15:16,800 Speaker 1: we've finished. That was good. That was good. Be nice 306 00:15:16,840 --> 00:15:21,400 Speaker 1: to people, be productive, be respectful, read a book, Turn 307 00:15:21,440 --> 00:15:24,080 Speaker 1: off your screen for a run, no matter how old 308 00:15:24,120 --> 00:15:26,760 Speaker 1: you are. The Happy Family Podcast is produced by Justin 309 00:15:26,840 --> 00:15:30,160 Speaker 1: Ruland from Bridge Media. 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