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Speaker 1: to the Daily Ours. It's Wednesday, the eighteenth of September.

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Speaker 1: I'm Harry, I'm Zara. You may have never heard of

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Speaker 1: Lochlan Murdoch. He's the son of Rupert Murdoch, an Australian

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Speaker 1: born media mogul who is arguably one of the most

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Speaker 1: powerful men in the world. Rupert wants Lachland to be

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Speaker 1: the successor in control of his vast global media empire

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Speaker 1: and is currently fighting to make that happen in a

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Speaker 1: US court. In today's deep Dive, will take a look

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Speaker 1: at the real life succession drama playing out in America

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Speaker 1: and how much do we really know about Lachlan Murdoch,

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Speaker 1: the man in line to inherit the biggest media empire

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Speaker 1: in the world. The First Sarah. What's making headlines.

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Speaker 2: Australia has negotiated a new free trade agreement with the

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Speaker 2: United Arab Emirates. Trade Minister Don Farrell announced the agreement yesterday,

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Speaker 2: seafood and steel. Farrell said the deal will mean quote

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Speaker 2: more higher paying jobs, more opportunities for our businesses, and

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Speaker 2: cheaper bills for Australian households. The Australian Council of Trade

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Speaker 2: Unions had previously flagged concerns over the treatment of workers

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Speaker 2: in the UAE, saying it quote strongly believes the government

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Speaker 1: US Ambassador to the UN Linda Thomas Greenfield, has criticized

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Speaker 1: the recent killing of a Turkish American activist, aishanaw Skiegi

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Speaker 1: in the West Bank. Greenfield said, quote this horrific tragedy

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Speaker 1: should never have happened. She demanded access to Israel's investigation

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Speaker 1: into the matter, adding quote her death, like that of

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Speaker 1: The Israeli Defense Forces expressed deep regret and said its

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Speaker 1: preliminary investigation had found it was quote highly likely that

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Speaker 1: she was hit indirectly and unintentionally by IDA fire.

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Speaker 2: US Olympic gymnast Jordan Chiles has filed an appeal of

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Speaker 2: at this year's Olympics. At one of Charles's events at

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Speaker 2: Charles had to give back her medal. In a statement,

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Speaker 2: Charles's lawyers alleged to the CIS didn't accept video evidence

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Speaker 1: And Today's Good News. For the first time ever, five

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Speaker 1: female authors have been shortlisted for the Booker Prize. The

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Speaker 1: prize is awarded to an English language novel voted the

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Speaker 1: have been published in the UK and Ireland. This year's

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Speaker 1: shortlist features six authors, five of whom are women, the

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Speaker 1: Charlotte Wood, who wrote the novel's Stoneyard devotional What is

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Speaker 1: the first Australian to make the shortlist since twenty fourteen.

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Speaker 1: The last women to win the Booker were Bernardine Everisto

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Speaker 1: and Margaret Atwood, who jointly won in twenty nineteen for

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Speaker 1: be back with the Deep Dive after this.

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Speaker 2: Quick break, now, Harry. If we could pay the incredible

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Speaker 2: How would you introduce someone like Rupert Murdoch at a party,

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Speaker 1: Well, first of all, I'd say, this is my mate Rupert.

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Speaker 1: He's ninety three years old, he was born in Australia

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Speaker 1: He owns more than one hundred news titles, including dozens

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Speaker 2: Rupert Murdoch and News Court now owns so much of

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Speaker 1: So, as we've discussed, Rupert owns a massive media empire

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Speaker 1: and Forbes estimates he's worth about twenty billion dollars US,

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Speaker 1: as we know, he's also not a young man anymore,

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Speaker 1: back to nineteen ninety nine where Rupert divorced his second wife,

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Speaker 1: and now the family's in court debating this trust.

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Speaker 1: It's basically a legal document setting out how Rupert Murdock's

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Speaker 1: going to divide up his assets after he dies. Okay,

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Speaker 1: because Rupert is trying to change the trust again. It

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Speaker 1: specifies that Prudence, Elizabeth, Lachlan, and James, his first four children,

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Speaker 2: can't be changed. Is that right?

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, And so Rupert now wants to change this trust,

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Speaker 2: Okay, So that's changing it from it being all four

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Speaker 1: That's right. Why, Well, Lachlan is the only one of

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Speaker 1: one of his businesses. I should say. He's at a

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Speaker 1: And so that's why they're currently in court. They're trying

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Speaker 2: Okay, So Rupert Murdoch is really fighting for Lachlan to

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Speaker 1: We don't actually know a huge amount about him. We

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Speaker 2: I didn't even know that he had an American accent.

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Speaker 2: I don't read about him. Yeah, I don't think I've

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Speaker 1: to his roots. So he was born in London. He's

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Speaker 2: Harry will certainly be keeping a close eye on this one.

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