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Speaker 1: Coming up on today's show, Sarah's Day's Tough Day on set,

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Speaker 1: Cat Clark is accused of manipulating people to buy her

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Speaker 1: new skincare brand and the horrific double murder that's left

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Speaker 1: the Australian entertainment world in shock. Hello and welcome to Outspoken.

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Speaker 1: It's your dose of the hottest influencer and popcocture news

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Speaker 1: twice a week. I'm Sophie tau But and we need

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Speaker 1: to talk about Sarah's Day's new active wear collection with

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Speaker 1: White Fox Boutique. This time around, she has riled people

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Speaker 1: up with a tone deaf winge following the active wear

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Speaker 1: shoe Kate.

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Speaker 2: What exactly has happened?

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Speaker 3: Well, it seems like every time she's ready to launch

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Speaker 3: a new active wear collection, something like this happens. So

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Speaker 3: I do think there's a little bit of strategy involved.

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Speaker 3: So last week, Sarah spent two days shooting her new

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Speaker 3: thirty seven piece active wear collection at an old mansion

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Speaker 3: in Sydney. Now, the first day got rained out while

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Speaker 3: the second day was really hot. So the day after

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Speaker 3: the shoot, Sarah asked her Instagram audience for some honest

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Speaker 3: feedback regarding her active wear promotion. So she explained that

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Speaker 3: she'd filmed behind the scenes vlog at the photo shoot,

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Speaker 3: however it wouldn't be ready until the day the collection

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Speaker 3: went on sale. Now, she said that she would normally

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Speaker 3: film a try on hole, but was running out of

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Speaker 3: time to do it. Not to mention she had just

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Speaker 3: done too ten hour shoot days where she had to

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Speaker 3: get changed every fifteen minutes. She explained that both days

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Speaker 3: her body had been wet from either rain or sweat,

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Speaker 3: so it wasn't pleasant getting dressed and then undressed. Let's

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Speaker 3: throw to more of what she said.

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Speaker 4: Rolling tights up wet legs every fifteen minutes, That is

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Speaker 4: honestly the worst part of a shoot. Like I love

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Speaker 4: the active wear campaign days. They're very fun and creative,

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Speaker 4: but they are a lot of work. And I feel like,

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Speaker 4: prior to like being involved in this kind of like

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Speaker 4: industry and like working on photoshoots, if I heard someone

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Speaker 4: say a photoshoot was hard work, I'd be like, shut up,

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Speaker 4: you have no idea, look get it. Compared to like

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Speaker 4: laborist jobs like demolishing house or like landscaping, an active

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Speaker 4: whar shoot day is like nothing. But I'm just saying

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Speaker 4: I've had many different jobs before I had three jobs

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Speaker 4: when I was at Union trying to save up for

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Speaker 4: a car. Like I've always been a hard worker, and

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Speaker 4: I'm just gonna say, shoot, days they are hard work.

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Speaker 4: Like five am. We got home at like nine yesterday

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Speaker 4: after getting whatever.

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Speaker 5: It was a big day now.

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Speaker 3: She went on to say that by the end of

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Speaker 3: the second day, she had tried on the thirty seven

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Speaker 3: piece active Work collection four times. He is more of

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Speaker 3: her rant.

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Speaker 4: There's a lot about fit changes and up wet skin.

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Speaker 4: I was getting changed every fifteen minutes, and my blood

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Speaker 4: was boiling. I was raging. I was so over it.

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Speaker 4: And then Kurt being Kurt, he would just be like, oh,

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Speaker 4: can you chop that like black outfit on again? I

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Speaker 4: just want to get another photo. I was like, I

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Speaker 4: am going to explode. I'm going to explode. I have

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Speaker 4: just been getting changed for the last twenty hours every fifteen.

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Speaker 5: Minutes on my wet, sweaty skin.

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Speaker 6: But I cannot think of anything worse then tomorrow on

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Speaker 6: the weekend, or like you'll have to be the weekend

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Speaker 6: because we're going away to try on all thirty seven

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Speaker 6: pieces again on a sweaty susday.

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Speaker 4: You deserve it. You deserve it, and I'll probably feel

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Speaker 4: better tomorrow. Maybe I just need like twenty four hours

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Speaker 4: break from trying things on What's a lot.

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Speaker 3: As soon as I saw this, I immediately scream recorded

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Speaker 3: it and posted it on Outspoken's Instagram account and TikTok

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Speaker 3: because I just could not believe it and I needed

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Speaker 3: reassurance that everyone else thought it was ridiculous.

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Speaker 1: Sophie and I have been on shoots like this with

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Speaker 1: our PR company and it is exhausting. Yet when I

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Speaker 1: saw this, I thought, are you living in the real world?

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Speaker 1: Do you know how many of your followers would be

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Speaker 1: working as nurses or doctors or teachers and had just

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Speaker 1: absolutely run off.

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Speaker 2: Their feet all day.

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Speaker 3: That was the general consensus in the comment that they

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Speaker 3: were saying, oh, well, she is very welcome to come

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Speaker 3: and do their jobs for a day, a regular day

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Speaker 3: as well, because the fact that she was complaining that

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Speaker 3: it was a ten hour shoot back to back, which

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Speaker 3: I do have question marks around because the first shoot

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Speaker 3: day actually got rained out, so I don't think it

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Speaker 1: Look, I'm sure it was tiring, but the embarrassing thing

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Speaker 1: here is that day was an anomaly. She isn't doing

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Speaker 1: this every week. She's only doing it when she's bringing

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Speaker 1: out a new line which is set to make her

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Speaker 1: hundreds of thousands of dollars. I'm sure all of us

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Speaker 1: would spend that ten hour a day getting dressed and

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Speaker 1: undressed for that sort of money. She seemed really shitty

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Speaker 1: at Kerr as well.

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Speaker 5: I wonder if he copped on set.

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Speaker 2: Well.

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Speaker 3: I felt sorry for him in a sense because she's

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Speaker 3: complaining that she's having to get undressed and then dressed again.

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Speaker 3: But what about him who's having to actually shoot the

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Speaker 3: whole thing like I'm sure that would be pretty diary.

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Speaker 1: The other thing is that with these sort of shoots,

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Speaker 1: the talent get.

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Speaker 2: Treated like gods.

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Speaker 5: Like the shoots we've been on, Aimy.

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Speaker 1: They sit in here and make up for a couple

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Speaker 1: that she had a nice shady spot. I did notice

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Speaker 1: that there was a random white horse was used in

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Speaker 1: this promotion, and I was very worried about it because

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Speaker 1: at one stage it was standing in the glaring heat.

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Speaker 1: In another Instagram story, I saw that this woman was

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Speaker 1: trying to you know, the person who was there looking

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Speaker 1: after the horse was trying to stand under some sort.

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Speaker 2: Of shade with it.

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Speaker 5: I think that that was the real hero there, the

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Speaker 5: poor horse.

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Speaker 1: Maybe they're looking for a rebrand White Horse boutique as

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Speaker 1: at a White Fox.

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Speaker 5: I wonder if she was just trying to get out.

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Speaker 1: Of having to film a YouTube hole.

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Speaker 3: Well, she's definitely well, she did put a pole up

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Speaker 3: asking and it was unanimous that she.

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Speaker 5: Should actually shoot it.

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Speaker 3: What I find weird is, and I always have found

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Speaker 3: this weird with Sarah's days Act to Wear campaigns, that

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Speaker 3: her and Kurt always put all this effort with coming

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Speaker 3: up with this very over the top campaign. But I

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Speaker 3: genuinely feel like the stuff sells out based on her

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Speaker 3: YouTube hole, and that's why this is such an important

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Speaker 3: piece of content. You would think you would film that first.

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Speaker 1: What also never makes sense to me in these photo

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Speaker 1: shoots is I think, because she's a personality, she'd be

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Speaker 1: better off just having some fun with her poses. I

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Speaker 1: think she seems to take it too seriously. I mean,

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Speaker 1: she's got all the hair and the makeup, She's gone.

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Speaker 2: And got hair extensions for it.

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Speaker 1: People are so used to seeing her fresh faced where

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Speaker 3: In most campaigns like this, Sarah probably would have been

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Speaker 3: joined by some additional models who would have taken the

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Speaker 3: stress off her having to get changed so many times.

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Speaker 3: I wonder why they didn't go down that route if

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Speaker 3: it's such a big collection. Well, they haven't most recently.

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Speaker 3: I think because there has been so much politics around

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Speaker 3: They've decided to just get rid of the models completely

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Speaker 3: because in her last Active Where campaign it was also

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Speaker 3: just her. Yeah, I mean, I suppose it's cheaper just

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Speaker 3: using Sarah. On Monday, she did update her followers to

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Speaker 3: share that she was in fact filming the hole, but

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Speaker 3: she said she wouldn't be trying on every color of

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Speaker 1: No, it's not really a great advertisement for the line either,

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Speaker 1: especially because she was saying she was getting all sweaty

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Speaker 3: It makes me think that they're not comfortable. Yeah, it's

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Speaker 3: so uncomfortable to get in and.

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Speaker 2: Out of it.

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Speaker 1: I wonder how New Balance feels about the name of

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Speaker 1: the collection, because it's called House of Balance. See I

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Speaker 1: actually laugh because their production company is called House of Groms,

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Speaker 1: and it's almost like they couldn't come up with another name.

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Speaker 1: And Sarah has been talking about finding this balance between

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Speaker 1: it was a little bit cringe.

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Speaker 7: I spent most of the night last night balling my

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Speaker 7: whies out. I'm going to start crying again.

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Speaker 1: TikToker Cat Clark has revealed she's launching a skincare brand

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Speaker 1: in an unorthodox way. So, before we get into it,

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Speaker 1: who is Cat Clark? Well? Kat has over five point

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Speaker 1: nine million followers on TikTok and was crowned Australian TikTok

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Speaker 1: Creator of the.

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Speaker 2: Year in twenty twenty two.

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Speaker 1: So she started attracting a following after she went viral

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Speaker 1: for looking like her then teenage daughter's twin sister. So

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Speaker 1: see how people would have made that mistake because Kat

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Speaker 2: They really do look the same.

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Speaker 1: Kat is now thirty seven and she documents her life

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Speaker 1: with her two daughters, so she also has a twelve

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Speaker 1: year old daughter, now, Kate, how did she announce her

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Speaker 3: So over the last couple of months, Kat has been

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Speaker 3: dropping clues about her new business venture that she's embarking

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Speaker 3: on with her two daughters. Last Tuesday, she revealed that

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Speaker 3: her new business would be called Calade, which is the

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Speaker 3: first initials of her and her two daughter's names.

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Speaker 1: I always found it funny when people come up with

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Speaker 1: names like that. It's almost as though they just can't

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Speaker 5: That's probably why.

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Speaker 2: Well, she did say that she would.

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Speaker 3: Cry if people laughed at the name, because she admitted

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Speaker 3: been pronouncing it wrong, so probably not a good indicator

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Speaker 3: that it's a great brand name.

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Speaker 1: I heard a podcast with the founder of Drunk Elephants

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Speaker 1: saying that all of her friends don't call it drunk Elephant.

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Speaker 1: That's a terrible name, and she is succeeded.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, well, I suppose everything sounds weird when you first

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Speaker 3: hear it. Now. The following day, Cats shed another TikTok,

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Speaker 3: this time confirming that her new business was a skincare brand. However,

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Speaker 3: rather than announcing the brand in real time, she instead

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Speaker 3: uploaded an old video diary that she'd filmed five months

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Speaker 3: earlier crying at the news that Anna Paul had just

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Speaker 3: launched her skincare brand. Poorly, Let's throw to what Kat said.

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Speaker 7: Three months before we announced, and Anna has just announced

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Speaker 7: that she's also launching a skincare company. I spent most

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Speaker 7: of the night last night balling my eyes out. I'm

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Speaker 7: gonna start crying again. And it's amazing, obviously, And I

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Speaker 7: just feel like I failed without even having the start.

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Speaker 7: I know that sounds so stupid, That's how I'm feeling.

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Speaker 7: I'm feeling very defeated, and I'm really scared. This is

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Speaker 7: so unbelievably scary doing this already. Oh God, I feel

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Speaker 7: so stupid. I can't even tell you guys in real

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Speaker 7: time because I'm not announcing until a before we go live.

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Speaker 7: Jonathan's obviously being like a very big support and telling

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Speaker 1: It almost seems like she's trying to use Anna Pol's

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Speaker 8: And then there's that other fear of like what if

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Speaker 8: Embarrassing because we didn't sell anything, but also very embarrassing

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Speaker 7: And we'll probably go broke. I really hope I'm making

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Speaker 3: Again, this is not a reflective fear of a small business,

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Speaker 5: It's the total.

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Speaker 1: Opposite of Anna Poul's because can you imagine Anna paul

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Speaker 3: Terms of products, people are already drawing comparisons to Paulie.

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Speaker 3: Kat is also launching four products initially, So her products

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Speaker 8: I'm sorry, Why not right now? Please?

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Speaker 3: It really did feel like that she was playing an

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Speaker 5: Get out of it. Let's throw to some of it.

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Speaker 1: I want to do for a break, yet I need

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Speaker 7: I know the thing is with me.

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Speaker 2: I need to look after myself.

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Speaker 8: Let me show you my social I'm.

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Speaker 1: Not not interested in your socials.

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Speaker 8: So let's chat. We're waiting.

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Speaker 2: So easy for you.

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Speaker 5: You got to just stand there.

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Speaker 1: Well, I'm getting assaulted by asparagus fans.

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Speaker 2: Why don't you give it a try?

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Speaker 4: No, wait, hang on, I got a rush.

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Speaker 2: Wait genuinely, I have a rush?

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Speaker 7: Right that?

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Speaker 2: Can younot see that?

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Speaker 2: Genuinely? It really hurts.

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Speaker 8: I think I don't see anything.

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Speaker 1: If you sit down, I'm not going to better sign

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Speaker 7: That's not fair.

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Speaker 2: You can't do that. Justin tell us she can't do that.

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Speaker 2: What's it going to be? What's it going to be?

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Speaker 7: So much?

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Speaker 3: Now a lot of people were saying that this scene

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Speaker 1: I am so confused by this. Is this song actually

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Speaker 5: Now the tragedy has sent shock.

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Speaker 1: Waves through the LGBTQ community, with many calling for police

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Speaker 1: officers not to march in this year's Mardi Gras. Now, Sophie,

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Speaker 1: this has been absolutely heart wrenching to watch. I just

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Speaker 1: haven't been able to stop thinking about this story. When

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Speaker 1: you take a look at both men's Instagram accounts, it's

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Speaker 1: clear that they were living out their dreams.

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Speaker 2: Both men were only in their twenties.

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Speaker 1: Luke was jetting all over the world with his job

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Speaker 1: as a flight attendant and Jesse was just establishing himself

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Speaker 1: as a really talented TV presenter at Channel ten and

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Speaker 1: also as a football umpire. They had so much life

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Speaker 1: to live and they've only just started their relationship in January,

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Speaker 1: so Luke first posted about their relationship on the fifth

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Speaker 1: of February, sharing a photo of him and Jesse in

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Speaker 1: front of a Palm Beach lighthouse. Jesse then confirmed their

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Speaker 1: relationship two days later, posting photos of the couple wine

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Speaker 1: tasting and playing tennis at the Hunter Valley Now. A

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Speaker 1: few days later, the couple attended Pink Sydney concert together,

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Speaker 1: and Jesse didn't share those photos until last Sunday, which

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Speaker 1: is the last day he and Luke were seen by

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Speaker 1: their friends leaving the Bresford Hotel. They had spent the

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Speaker 1: night partying at a packed nightclub which held a Mardy

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Speaker 1: Grant night, before heading back to Jesse's home in Paddington. Now.

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Speaker 1: Jesse and Luke have not been seen since, with friends

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Speaker 1: and family unable to contact them.

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Speaker 2: Now.

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Speaker 3: Suspicions were raised on Wednesday when blooded clothing belonging to

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Speaker 3: the couple was found in a skip bin near a

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Speaker 3: club in Sydney's South. As well as the close, police

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Speaker 3: found credit cards, a wallet and a watch worth eight

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Speaker 3: thousand dollars now. It led police to search Jesse's share

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Speaker 3: house in Paddington, where a significant amount of blood was

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Speaker 3: discovered it appeared someone had attempted to clean it up.

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Speaker 3: Furniture had also been broken. Neighbors did tell police that

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Speaker 3: they heard shouting at a verbal argument, but didn't think

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Speaker 3: it was worth reporting. Now police launched a public man

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Speaker 3: hunt for both men, saying they held grave concerns for

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Speaker 3: them now.

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Speaker 1: By late Thursday afternoon, questions began to be asked about

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Speaker 1: former connections with police, discovering Jesse previously dated Constable Beau

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Speaker 1: Lamark Condon. Now Bo's name may sound familiar to you

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Speaker 1: because before joining the police force, he ran a now

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Speaker 1: defunct celebrity news site called The Australian Reporter.

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Speaker 3: It's crazy because I actually first heard of this story

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Speaker 3: on the Daily Mail and they plasted his face next

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Speaker 3: to Kim Kardashian and Taylor Swift and I actually did

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Speaker 3: recognize him yet.

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Speaker 1: Well, he goes by the pseudonym Bo London, and he

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Speaker 1: created a social media account called That's the Tea where

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Speaker 1: he would share these photos and also interviews with celebrities.

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Speaker 1: He has been labeled Australia's biggest fan, so he has

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Speaker 1: a really long history of celebrity chasing and he did

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Speaker 1: manage to interview a number of a list celebrities and

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Speaker 1: somehow managed to snag himself a spot at the Golden Globes.

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Speaker 3: What was really creepy was that the week of the

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Speaker 3: alleged murders, he snapped a photo of himself with Courtney

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Speaker 3: Karashian and Travis Barker while they were in Sydney. It

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Speaker 3: just blows my mind that this person could have been

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Speaker 3: allegedly plotting these murders, but also at the top of

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Speaker 3: their priority list is getting a fan photo with a Kutashi.

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Speaker 1: I just found it so wrong that the media we're

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Speaker 1: using photos of him with, say Taylor Swift, and also

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Speaker 1: the photo with Travis and Courtney as main pictures. It

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Speaker 1: was kind of almost connecting those celebrities to this horrific crime.

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Speaker 1: Everyone has been going absolutely crazy over Taylor Swift, so

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Speaker 1: I can see why they did use that very old photo,

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Speaker 1: and I do think it paints a bit of a

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Speaker 1: picture because more recently the news has been reporting that

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Speaker 1: he allegedly stalked his.

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Speaker 3: Ex partner, so kind of paints a picture that he

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Speaker 3: is this celebrity chaser that is hunting people down.

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Speaker 5: And the fact that Jesse used to work on Studio teen.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, Jesse is the one who's said to have

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Speaker 1: ended this relationship, and Bo did not take it well,

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Speaker 1: and Jesse told friends that he was worried he was

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Speaker 1: being stalked by Bo. So his friends have since told

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Speaker 1: investigators that Jesse said he saw a shadowy figure at

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Speaker 1: the end of his bed late at night in recent months,

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Speaker 1: but when he woke up, the person left, and he

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Speaker 1: obviously didn't go to police about this.

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Speaker 2: It is just so scary.

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Speaker 3: And awful to hear these details come out, because this

527
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Speaker 3: country needs to take domestic violence a lot more seriously.

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Speaker 3: The fact that this guy was stalking him, he's a

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Speaker 3: police officer, he has used a police weapon allegedly to

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Speaker 3: murder two innocent civilians.

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Speaker 5: It just makes me feel sick.

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Speaker 1: Well, there were even more red flags about this guy

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Speaker 1: because he did find himself at the center of an

534
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Speaker 1: internal investigation in twenty twenty when he was filmed tasering

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Speaker 1: an Indigenous man in the face. Now he was cleared

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Speaker 1: of any wrongdoing, I have to say, But interestingly, Bo

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Speaker 1: follows in the footsteps of his mother, Colleen, who is

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Speaker 1: high up at the New South Wales Police Force. Interesting

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Speaker 1: and Bo's sister also held a position in the police

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Speaker 1: radio unit, but was dismissed over her refusal to take

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Speaker 1: the COVID nineteen vaccine a number of years ago. So now,

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Speaker 1: Bo was reportedly on sick leave the week of the

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Speaker 1: alleged murders and he was not responding to any phone calls,

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Speaker 1: so with detectives unable to locate him, they started a

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Speaker 1: fresh man hunt. Now by the morning, Bow turned his

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Speaker 1: phone back on and handed himself into detectives where he

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Speaker 1: was arrested. So he has been charged with two counts

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Speaker 1: of murder. Now as it stands, he has not told

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Speaker 1: the police where the two bodies are. Now.

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Speaker 3: As I touched on earlier, it is alleged that Bo

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Speaker 3: used his police handgun. So gun casing at the scene

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Speaker 3: match Bow's police issued handgun. On Tuesday morning, he called

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Speaker 3: in sick to work, but he did return his police

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Speaker 3: firearm to a suburban police station. It's then alleged that

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Speaker 3: he hired a white fan to transport and dispose.

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Speaker 2: Of the bodies.

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Speaker 1: If this is true, this is one of the most

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Speaker 1: disgusting abuses of power I have ever seen. The fact

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Speaker 1: that he felt comfortable to allegedly use his own handgun

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Speaker 1: to carry out this crime, but then also to go

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Speaker 1: and return it to the police station the next day

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Speaker 1: as though nothing had happened. I just feel so sorry

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Speaker 1: for Jesse's Channel ten colleagues who've had to report on

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Speaker 1: this case. It has been interesting to see how they

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Speaker 1: have handled it.

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Speaker 5: And they've done it with such grace.

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Speaker 1: They've even had parts of their stories where they've interviewed colleagues,

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Speaker 1: which has just been so touching.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Well, Jesse's colleague, Hugh Rimington wrote on social media,

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Speaker 3: rest in peace, my beloved young colleague Jesse happy with

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Speaker 3: a new man and that it is being alleged was

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Speaker 3: the problem. Condolences also to the family and friends of

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Speaker 3: Luke Davies. Many tears tonight now. Another friend shared a

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Speaker 3: tribute to Jesse and ended with jealousy shouldn't end like

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Speaker 3: this will.

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Speaker 1: Prominent LGBTQ organizations have said that this tragedy highlights the

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Speaker 1: issue of domestic violence in the gay community.

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Speaker 3: It has been interesting to see the reporting around this

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Speaker 3: because when this story first broke, I saw language used like.

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Speaker 1: The murder of his lover yea and slain. It was

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Speaker 1: just so disrespectful to the situation because if this had

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Speaker 1: been a heterosexual relationship, I think the headline would have

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Speaker 1: been very different, but to denigrate that as these lovers,

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Speaker 1: I just did not.

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Speaker 5: Like that at all.

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Speaker 1: The murders also do come on the eve of the

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Speaker 1: Sydney Gay and Lesbian Mardi Gras, and many people in

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Speaker 1: the community are saying that they don't think police should

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Speaker 1: march in this year's parade, and it is a bad look.

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Speaker 1: And I think this also comes off the back of

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Speaker 1: news organizations posting past photos of Bo actually marching in

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Speaker 1: the parade in his police uniform, and the community clearly

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Speaker 1: isn't feeling protected. They don't feel like enough is being done,

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Speaker 1: multiple police sources tell news outlets. So they're frustrated by

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Speaker 1: the investigation, secrecy and handling of the case.

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Speaker 3: Well I can see why, considering that Bo's mother is

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Speaker 3: high up in the New South Wales Police Force.

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Speaker 5: On seven News they touched on the fact that they.

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Speaker 1: Waited twenty four hours to actually get this story out

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Speaker 1: there to the media, when in other domestic violence cases

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Speaker 1: it's been reported immediately, So they were obviously trying to

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Speaker 1: work out how best to reveal that the number one

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Speaker 1: suspect is a police officer. And it's not a good

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Speaker 1: look because I think there's a lot of question marks

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Speaker 1: over if this guy did this, how did he actually

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Speaker 1: pass the site test to get into the police Well,

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Speaker 1: there are a lot of question marks around who else

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Speaker 1: knew about this, what was going on. He's suddenly on

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Speaker 1: leave when all of this is happening, He's taken leave

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Speaker 1: and then he is allegedly going in a white van

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Speaker 1: and getting the bodies.

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Speaker 5: Like so many questions.

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Speaker 1: His mother's house was rated when they couldn't find him,

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Speaker 1: and that would have probably been quite awkward.

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Speaker 3: What I think the most disturbing thing to come out

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Speaker 3: recently is the fact that Jesse's friends have come out

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Speaker 3: Sophie as you said earlier, and said he was concerned

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Speaker 3: about Bo's behavior and thinks that he was stalking him. So,

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Speaker 3: while no official complaint had been made to authorities, Detective

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Speaker 3: Superintendent Daniel Dougherty said worrying behavior from Bo had come

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Speaker 3: to lights since the couple disappeared, and stalking is a

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Speaker 3: very common tactic used by domestic abuses. It is frequently

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Speaker 3: present in the lead up to domestic violence and related murders,

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Speaker 3: so it would be interesting to know when this was

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Speaker 3: flagged to police.

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Speaker 1: And it's really sad because I think some people don't

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Speaker 1: come forward and make a complaint because they think that

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Speaker 1: maybe it sounds silly, maybe people are overthinking it.

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Speaker 3: Well, particularly when it's someone that is in the police

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Speaker 3: force it's allegedly doing it as well. And there's some

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Speaker 3: start I saw last night in this Netflix Docko on stalking.

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Speaker 3: I think at zero point zero one percent of offenders

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Speaker 3: who are actually found guilty of stalking.

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Speaker 5: Go to prison.

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Speaker 3: Wow.

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Speaker 1: Well, particularly in this situation where it's a police officer,

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Speaker 1: as you touched on Kate, who's allegedly doing it and

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Speaker 1: they have family members who are high up in the

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Speaker 1: police force. I think that is where we will leave

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Speaker 1: you today. Thank you so much for joining us for

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Speaker 1: today's episode. If you have enjoyed it, could you please

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Speaker 1: make sure you are subscribed on Apple Podcasts and also Spotify.

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Speaker 3: And I just want to add we do send all

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Speaker 3: of our love and our hearts go out to Jesse

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Speaker 3: and Luke's families who are dealing with this absolute tragedy

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Speaker 3: at the moment. This podcast was recorded on the traditional

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Speaker 3: land of the Ghana people of the Adelaide Plains. We

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Speaker 3: pay respect to elders past and present