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Speaker 2: Hi guys, and welcome back to another episode of Life.
Speaker 2: I'm I'm Laura and I'm Brittany, and it is the
Speaker 2: day after the live show. It is.
Speaker 1: The live show was last night, which I can only
Speaker 1: imagine was wild. But as we've recorded this on Tuesday,
Speaker 1: because we had the live show, we can't be sure
Speaker 1: it's gonna be fucking great, though I'm hoping we can
Speaker 1: say it went well.
Speaker 2: You know what, if it didn't go well, you will
Speaker 2: all know about it because it's being live streamed. So
Speaker 2: that is truly frightening. Well it has been while we're
Speaker 2: business bastans like it could have been. Who knows. It's
Speaker 2: all a mystery, you know, but right now we don't.
Speaker 2: And that's pretty much what we're getting at.
Speaker 1: We're going to talk about that more on Tuesday when
Speaker 1: we can actually talk about it live like it happened.
Speaker 2: Yes, we are having to pre record this. We're recording
Speaker 2: this episode on Tuesday, and the reason for that is
Speaker 2: because tomorrow, literally from the minute we wake up to
Speaker 2: the minute we go to bed, we have a live
Speaker 2: show to prep plan and also perform on stage. So
Speaker 2: it's going to be a fucking disaster.
Speaker 1: Don't say that it's going to be incredible. But anyway,
Speaker 1: enough about the show that we can't talk about.
Speaker 2: Do you know what I have something I wanted to
Speaker 2: speak about before we get into answering all your deep,
Speaker 2: your dark, your burning questions. There's been something that has
Speaker 2: made the rounds in the news in the last couple
Speaker 2: of days, and it gave me a lot of feels,
Speaker 2: especially coming off the back of my hens. If you
Speaker 2: didn't listen to Tuesday's episode. Last weekend, me and some
Speaker 2: of my closest, nearest and dearest, brick Keisha and all
Speaker 2: my other girlfriends, we all all went away for the
Speaker 2: weekend for a couple of nights. And now of my
Speaker 2: girlfriends there are several moms who have newborn babies, a
Speaker 2: couple of months old babies, and also a couple of
Speaker 2: pregnant women as well. I mean they were really in
Speaker 2: that phase of dress, that age having babies.
Speaker 1: They're also some single people are too.
Speaker 2: Not many just and Jazzy. Actually there was three, there
Speaker 2: were stree. But look there is and has been a
Speaker 2: few articles around as she binds. I don't know if
Speaker 2: you know who she is. I'm sure a lot of
Speaker 2: you do, but she is a fitness entrepreneur. She's quite
Speaker 2: famous across social media. She's been controversial for different reasons
Speaker 2: in the past. But the reason why she's in the
Speaker 2: media in the last couple of days is because she
Speaker 2: has a three month old baby. She also has a
Speaker 2: seven year old with her husband, and she went away
Speaker 2: on a girl's weekend for two nights, forty eight hours
Speaker 2: away from her three month old baby. Now, she left
Speaker 2: her baby, not in the closet, not you know, with
Speaker 2: a stranger down the street. She left her baby with
Speaker 2: her husband, the man who she chose to pro create with,
Speaker 2: took care of the child for two nights. And unfortunately,
Speaker 2: because social media likes to weigh in on everything, this
Speaker 2: poor woman has caught some abuse from her followers or
Speaker 2: from people who have seen the fact that she's been
Speaker 2: away from her three month or baby for two days
Speaker 2: and felt like they needed to weigh in with their
Speaker 2: opinion comments like how could you leave your baby with
Speaker 2: Steve for that long?
Speaker 1: That is so wrong, as she binds. If you don't
Speaker 1: know she does have one million followers on Instagram, we
Speaker 1: know that's a lot of people's opinions. It's a lot
Speaker 1: of opinions flying at you, and we know that people
Speaker 1: don't always follow you and just have positive things to say.
Speaker 1: So she has said her inboxes filled up with these
Speaker 1: negative comments, and I actually like the way she responded,
Speaker 1: And I think that's the important thing here. Whether you
Speaker 1: agree with everything she has ever said or you disagree,
Speaker 1: there's been things I disagree with. I agree with her
Speaker 1: message here, She said, I know judgment has come flying
Speaker 1: my way for leaving my baby girl for forty eight hours,
Speaker 1: but hear me out. I love my baby, but I
Speaker 1: also love my friends. I love my baby, but I
Speaker 1: also love travel and variety. I love my baby, but
Speaker 1: also loved doing fun things just for me. I love
Speaker 1: my baby and fully trust and love Steve having his
Speaker 1: bonding time with the kids, and can enjoy myself knowing
Speaker 1: they are happy and safe. The only thing she has
Speaker 1: done here there's no way she hasn't just left her
Speaker 1: baby on the side of the street with no food
Speaker 1: in the cold. She's left it in her home with
Speaker 1: her loving husband. Maybe she's breastfeeding. If she has, she
Speaker 1: would have expressed milk. If she's not in its own formula,
Speaker 1: she has left the baby food.
Speaker 2: Don't even have to leave the baby food. The dad
Speaker 2: can go and get formula from the shops.
Speaker 1: Well, she said, if this was Steve going away for
Speaker 1: two days, or any man going away for two days,
Speaker 1: you wouldn't hear about it. Everyone wo'd be like, have fun,
Speaker 1: have a great time. No, it would not even be
Speaker 1: a question. And I think that this is a pretty
Speaker 1: shitty thing to see that a woman has gone away
Speaker 1: with her friends for not even It wasn't even to it.
Speaker 1: I wasn't even forty eight hours. It was less than that.
Speaker 1: And she's copying a barrage of hate for what because
Speaker 1: she's not at home nurturing her little child. Like I'm
Speaker 1: not a mom, so it's hard for me to comment.
Speaker 1: But Laura, I imagine, I mean we've spoken about in
Speaker 1: the past, but I imagine when you have a baby, there
Speaker 1: is a level of you lose your identity, and you
Speaker 1: lose your old life and you miss your old life
Speaker 1: and you want to try and hold onto that part
Speaker 1: of your life.
Speaker 2: I mean, there's all kinds of mums, and I think
Speaker 2: that that's why it's so fine and why we shouldn't
Speaker 2: judge other people. There are mums who could not even
Speaker 2: fathom being away from their child at the three month mark,
Speaker 2: and a big reason for that probably is because they
Speaker 2: have incompetent partners who don't know what they're doing and
Speaker 2: haven't been actively trying to be involved. That that's one thing.
Speaker 2: Or it could be that they're breastfeeding therefore they can't
Speaker 2: be away from their child, or because they have high
Speaker 2: anxiety around it. All those things are completely fine. Then
Speaker 2: there are other types of mums who, you know, maybe
Speaker 2: their child is already bottled, formula fed, whatever it is for,
Speaker 2: you know, because that's their choice to do so, and
Speaker 2: they are so confident with their partner's involvement in raising
Speaker 2: their children. And this actually was so interesting to me.
Speaker 2: Even when we went away for our hands on the weekend,
Speaker 2: it was so obvious the two types of parenting that existed.
Speaker 2: So some of my friends had written a detailed list
Speaker 2: for their husbands. They had literally printed out this is
Speaker 2: what time they go to bed, this is what time
Speaker 2: they need to be, this is what you give them
Speaker 2: for the breakfast, this is where the clothes are, this
Speaker 2: is it was like scheduled and formulaic so that nothing
Speaker 2: could go wrong, and it was printed out and put
Speaker 2: on the fridge. That was one end of the spectrum.
Speaker 2: On the other end of the spectrum, there were people
Speaker 2: like me who literally just kissed Matt goodbye and walked
Speaker 2: out of the house. I didn't check a single thing
Speaker 2: because I have full confidence that Matt knows exactly what
Speaker 2: to do, if not better than me, because he has
Speaker 2: the kids more often than I have the kids all day.
Speaker 2: So I think, like, it's when you see these negative
Speaker 2: comments and when another mum judges someone, You know, when
Speaker 2: one mom judges as she binds because she's taken two
Speaker 2: days away from her children.
Speaker 1: And that mother can't possibly imagine taking two days away
Speaker 1: from her.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's well, that's exactly it, right. What it is
Speaker 2: is it's a reflection of how of their relationship. It's
Speaker 2: a reflection of what is normal to them and what
Speaker 2: they could possibly handle. And I think that we can't
Speaker 2: impart what's normal to us on other people because we
Speaker 2: all parents so so differently. But I think, going back
Speaker 2: to something you said, Britt, like, when it comes to
Speaker 2: dads and the expectations around the involvement, the bar is
Speaker 2: pretty fucking low. I mean, like Matt did Dancing with
Speaker 2: the Stars for six weeks, six days after Lola was born.
Speaker 2: He was not home. He literally was not home for
Speaker 2: sixteen hours a day because he was off dancing. If
Speaker 2: I like, have one sweety, if I had given birth
Speaker 2: and then I was like, cool, Lola's on a bottle.
Speaker 2: I'm going to go and dance for sixteen hours a day,
Speaker 2: I mind you, I'd be very tired. But imagine if
Speaker 2: I had done that, the judgment I would have received
Speaker 2: for going and doing a reality TV show, the you know,
Speaker 2: the minute a kid had come out of me, would
Speaker 2: be so vastly different. But we just have extremely different
Speaker 2: standards for how we hold mothers versus how we hold dads.
Speaker 2: Not one person messaged Matt and said, oh, wow, you've
Speaker 2: just had a baby. Shouldn't you be home with the baby?
Speaker 2: Not a single person I said it, don't worry. I
Speaker 2: made him felt well aware of it, but not one
Speaker 2: person message, and I guess like for me, that's when
Speaker 2: that caveat between the expectations on mums and the expectations
Speaker 2: on dads and how we had these incredible society norms.
Speaker 1: Really was so obvious to me speaking about man, there
Speaker 1: are so many different kinds of mums and dads and
Speaker 1: parenting styles. This happened last weekend. So all of my friends,
Speaker 1: you know, I'm at the age all my friends are mums,
Speaker 1: like I'm the anomaly. And I went to one of
Speaker 1: their birthday parties. I haven't seen a lot of these
Speaker 1: people in a long time. It was one of those
Speaker 1: really nice catch ups. Anyway, one of the moms there
Speaker 1: started to tell this story about she's got two little
Speaker 1: kids with her husband, you know that great couple, great
Speaker 1: family life, everything's amazing. But she's always been the one
Speaker 1: that does most of the work with the kids. He's
Speaker 1: gone to work. Anyway, she had this one day that
Speaker 1: she's like, I have to get up and go to
Speaker 1: a meeting very early six am. So like, this is
Speaker 1: the first time in years there's a three year old.
Speaker 1: You have to do everything, Like you're gonna have to yes. Wait,
Speaker 1: He's like, okay, I get it, and so she wrote
Speaker 1: a list. She started to write a list.
Speaker 2: The morning routine is not even that hard. You literally
Speaker 2: just get them out of bed, get some weird picks
Speaker 2: into them, put some clothes on them, pack a bag,
Speaker 2: and take them to daycare. That's my morning, so that
Speaker 2: everyone else is but that's what my morning looks like.
Speaker 1: That's exactly right. So's she starts to say to him, like,
Speaker 1: I'm going to tell you what to do. Let's go
Speaker 1: through the day. He's like, I'm not an idiot, like
Speaker 1: they are my kids too, Just let me do it, like,
Speaker 1: just have some faith. She's like, wow, okay. She gets
Speaker 1: up six point thirty, she goes to work. She gets
Speaker 1: a call at probably like midday saying, hey, is it
Speaker 1: okay if we give the kids some food and is
Speaker 1: there a reason they don't have any food today? And
Speaker 1: she was like, what do you mean? She's like, well,
Speaker 1: there's they're hung they're really hungry, like they didn't pack lunch. No.
Speaker 1: So she called him and she goes, what did you
Speaker 1: pack the kids for lunch today? And he goes, what
Speaker 1: do you mean? What did I pack them? She's like,
Speaker 1: what have you given the kids to eat for the
Speaker 1: entire day for the eight hour and he's like, I
Speaker 1: didn't give them any food. She's like, that's the that
Speaker 1: is your one job. He's like, I didn't know I
Speaker 1: had to feed them for their day out at daycare.
Speaker 1: But like she's like, wow, Like all you have to
Speaker 1: do is feed your child.
Speaker 2: Like see, I have a lot of feelings about this
Speaker 2: when you say that, you know she was trying to
Speaker 2: give him instructions on how to run the day smoothly,
Speaker 2: and then he was dismissive of that, like, oh no,
Speaker 2: I've got it. I've already got it dialed for me.
Speaker 2: I look at this as though, imagine that this was
Speaker 2: an office space and you're high level skilled in your job.
Speaker 2: You do your job every single day, and for one day,
Speaker 2: you're stepping out of it and you need somebody to
Speaker 2: come in and replace you. Imagine imagine if you were
Speaker 2: trying to give them instructions on how to do your
Speaker 2: job the most efficiently and they turned around and said
Speaker 2: to you, don't worry about it. Your job's easy.
Speaker 1: I've got that.
Speaker 2: You'd be so annoyed that they're dismissive of the work
Speaker 2: that you do, but also that they think that your
Speaker 2: job is so easy that they don't require any assistance
Speaker 2: at all. And that's what he has done here in
Speaker 2: this situation, and I guess like it's one quick way
Speaker 2: to learn, it's one quick way to kind of be
Speaker 2: put in your spot where he's then sent them to
Speaker 2: daycare and they've had no food. But you don't want
Speaker 2: your kids to be the butt of that, right, You
Speaker 2: don't want your kids to be the ones who miss out,
Speaker 2: who go to daycare, who don't have food, because the
Speaker 2: only ones who are disadvantage in that whole situation are
Speaker 2: the kids.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, And I mean, like this took a way
Speaker 1: more serious turn than I thought it was going.
Speaker 2: No, because the kids.
Speaker 1: Let's be clear, the kids lived in a very loving
Speaker 1: home and they didn't they didn't go hungry. The daycare
Speaker 1: was just like, are you happy for us to give
Speaker 1: them this on a sandwich? Like they were just approving
Speaker 1: the food. It's not like the kids were starving all day.
Speaker 1: It's just funny that she's like, Wow, this has been
Speaker 1: happening for three years and you didn't know how our
Speaker 1: days run, Like you didn't know what you have to do.
Speaker 1: There was just such a disparity.
Speaker 2: But that's the reality, and I know it's funny to
Speaker 2: look in on it, and I know it's funny to
Speaker 2: go like, oh, I thought this was going to be lighthearted,
Speaker 2: But I cannot tell you the amount of conversations I
Speaker 2: have had with friends who were mums who every day
Speaker 2: their partners don't know the load, the mental load, the workload,
Speaker 2: the childcring load that they do, and therefore the work
Speaker 2: that they do is dismissed as being easy. It happens
Speaker 2: every day, and I guess, like, as a mum, it's
Speaker 2: something I'm very sensitive about and I'm very lucky that
Speaker 2: it doesn't happen in my household, but I see it
Speaker 2: all the time, and I think, like with this and
Speaker 2: this conversation where we go back to Ash Buynes, it's
Speaker 2: other people's perception of how their relationship works that's being
Speaker 2: projected onto her.
Speaker 1: Look at the end of thea he learned his lesson. And
Speaker 1: I think it's safe to say those kids are going
Speaker 1: with a three course meal every single day today care
Speaker 1: now like they're the kids that everyone wants to go
Speaker 1: and take their food. They've got the buffet, they've got
Speaker 1: all you can eat, Like these kids are.
Speaker 2: Just fine, all right, let's get into answering all of
Speaker 2: your deep, your dark and your burning questions. And I'm
Speaker 2: going to kick it off with question number one. It's
Speaker 2: always a good place, never starts at one, all Right,
Speaker 2: How to get over the immense amount of guilt that
Speaker 2: I am ruining someone else's life when breaking up with someone?
Speaker 2: For context, I have just broken up with my boyfriend
Speaker 2: of over two years. Yes, we did have some issues
Speaker 2: that weren't being resolved, hence the breakup, but I can't
Speaker 2: shake this immense feeling of guilt that I've wasted his
Speaker 2: time and don't want him to not find happiness again.
Speaker 2: He has to already move out and miss out on
Speaker 2: our trip overseas at the end of the year, and
Speaker 2: I feel like it's all just too much for him.
Speaker 2: So basically, she doesn't regret breaking up. She's happy that
Speaker 2: she's broken up, she doesn't want to be with him,
Speaker 2: she just feels guilty for ruining his life.
Speaker 1: I mean, without doubt, historically speaking, I've been in a situation.
Speaker 1: But I can tell you he is going to be
Speaker 1: just fine. This is unfortunately a part of life that
Speaker 1: almost every single person is going to experience at some point,
Speaker 1: even if they don't experience a hardcore breakup. They're going
Speaker 1: to experience hurt and disappointment and that feeling of being
Speaker 1: let down or that feeling of starting again, whether that's
Speaker 1: starting to get in a new place, a relationship, a job.
Speaker 1: These feelings are normal. It's great that you feel guilt
Speaker 1: because that means you're human. That means you're feeling fatic,
Speaker 1: you're empathetic, you're feeling things. You loved this person and
Speaker 1: they loved you, So this is actually a good thing.
Speaker 1: Guilt means you're not a sociopath. It means you have
Speaker 1: a connection to reality and a connection to other humans.
Speaker 1: So like, this is a nice feeling to know that
Speaker 1: you've got and that you cared about him. All you
Speaker 1: can do is be supportive in the breakup, being supportive
Speaker 1: of him if he does need anything. That sounds like
Speaker 1: you ended very amicably, you just grew apart. But the
Speaker 1: worst thing you can do is put your life on
Speaker 1: hold because you are that worried about somebody else moving on.
Speaker 1: Like I literally didn't break up with my ex for
Speaker 1: like eighteen months because I was like, he's never going
Speaker 1: to move on, Like I can't picture him out in
Speaker 1: the wild on his own, Like, yeah, he doesn't know
Speaker 1: how to live alone without me.
Speaker 2: He's never gonna find anyone better than me. This poor
Speaker 2: guy will be doing.
Speaker 1: He's never gonna be happy again. I can't do that
Speaker 1: to him anyway. Like, ten years later, I'm still the
Speaker 1: one that hasn't moved on. He's well and truly moved on.
Speaker 1: That guy's done just fine.
Speaker 2: Do you know what? This is the big thing? And
Speaker 2: I think, like, and I resonate with that so much, britute, Like,
Speaker 2: I dated someone and for literally a year, an entire
Speaker 2: year of our relationship, I wanted to break up, but
Speaker 2: I just one I couldn't get the balls, and two
Speaker 2: I felt so guilty because I thought he would be
Speaker 2: so miserable, I would ruin his life. Guess what, he
Speaker 2: is married and he has kids and he's so fucking
Speaker 2: happy to be with someone who actually loves him. What
Speaker 2: a better relationship that is? And I think that's the
Speaker 2: big thing, right, Like we see our lives based on
Speaker 2: where we are right there in that moment, and we think, God,
Speaker 2: they're going to be so hurt, And of course they're
Speaker 2: gonna be so hurt, but it's much better to have
Speaker 2: gone through a bad breakup, to get to the other
Speaker 2: side of that breakup and then to one day be
Speaker 2: with someone who uses you and who loves you and
Speaker 2: wants to be with you, rather than being in a
Speaker 2: relationship with someone when you know or you know it
Speaker 2: turns out that that person doesn't love you and doesn't
Speaker 2: want to be with you anymore. And do you ever think, though, Britt, Like,
Speaker 2: when you look back on it, on one part, you
Speaker 2: can be like, yeah, it was really empathetic, But on
Speaker 2: the other part, look back and think, God, I had
Speaker 2: an inflated sense of my own ego that he was
Speaker 2: never gonna be happier than when we were together, Like
Speaker 2: one hundred percent.
Speaker 1: It's the classic. And for me it's been from day one,
Speaker 1: like I'm the one before the one, Like I get them,
Speaker 1: like I free them out into the world to go
Speaker 1: find their happy ending.
Speaker 2: I'm like fly free they break up. You guys are
Speaker 2: breaking up and they're like, I'm never gonna be happy,
Speaker 2: and you're like, oh, trust me, you will, And I'm
Speaker 2: a hegistic says you absolutely will be fine.
Speaker 1: Eighty percent of the time.
Speaker 2: It works. Every time.
Speaker 1: I'm still in the supermarket crying because I ran out
Speaker 1: of pumpkins, like we have gone very different directions, Like
Speaker 1: this person is going to be okay, it might take
Speaker 1: them a little bit longer. Maybe you'll go through something
Speaker 1: that's like a regression. You question what you did in
Speaker 1: your decision as well, maybe like have I made a mistake,
Speaker 1: I miss him, I miss situation? Did I do the
Speaker 1: right thing? Can I say one thing on this though? Yeah?
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, your podcasts all right.
Speaker 1: I do worry.
Speaker 2: I did worry about this question, And the reason why
Speaker 2: is because I see a young Laura. I see myself
Speaker 2: in you, young one. The reason why I worry a
Speaker 2: little bit is because I think if you feel this
Speaker 2: immense amount of guilt, like if you're like, I am
Speaker 2: so guilty for making him feel bad. Often when you
Speaker 2: feel that level of guilt, you feel like you're responsible
Speaker 2: to make them feel better, Like you don't want them
Speaker 2: to hurt, so you also want to like when they
Speaker 2: call or they text, you want to be there to
Speaker 2: support them through it. Now, this is harsh, but it
Speaker 2: is the absolute truth. You cannot break up with someone
Speaker 2: and also be their support person to support them through it.
Speaker 2: That is really, really, actually quite a cruel thing to
Speaker 2: do that to that person, because all it's doing is
Speaker 2: giving them hope that maybe you'll get back together. So
Speaker 2: you can't make yourself one hundred percent available all of
Speaker 2: the time to them and to every single need and want.
Speaker 2: There has to be some sort of severance. And I
Speaker 2: don't mean fucking ghosts them and never talk to them again,
Speaker 2: but I do mean that you have to be quite
Speaker 2: set and firm in that you're not going to be
Speaker 2: with them anymore.
Speaker 1: And that means no cuddling.
Speaker 2: To make them feel better, no kisses, no like little canodles,
Speaker 2: because you know you're trying to do the soft detach
Speaker 2: from each other. That is actually like a really slow
Speaker 2: and tortuous way of especially if you were absolute in
Speaker 2: your mind of breaking up with someone, because it just
Speaker 2: prolongs the hurt and the pain. And I think that
Speaker 2: we can be really guilty of doing that when we
Speaker 2: feel so guilty ourselves.
Speaker 1: I just had another thought.
Speaker 2: Brittany was like, Okay, guilty as well.
Speaker 1: I had another thought sometimes, because as you were speaking, Laura,
Speaker 1: I was just thinking back to you know, you think
Speaker 1: about when you've been in that situation. But another thought
Speaker 1: that I had was, sometimes when you feel this high
Speaker 1: level of guilt. It's because you don't think that your
Speaker 1: hurt is going to match their hurt, and maybe that
Speaker 1: means you've checked out or you've moved on a little
Speaker 1: bit before them. And I think I've done that in
Speaker 1: the past. I remember I break up with someone overseas
Speaker 1: and he was crime and crying. He didn't want it
Speaker 1: to end, and you know, he's begging me and I had.
Speaker 1: I literally I stood there like sociopath, like I felt nothing,
Speaker 1: and I felt horrible because of it. Like my guilt
Speaker 1: didn't come from the breakup in that situation. My guilt
Speaker 1: came from, oh my god, I feel so bad that
Speaker 1: I don't feel more bad. I feel so bad that
Speaker 1: I don't feel as guilty as I should for how
Speaker 1: you're hurting right now. And it wasn't because I'm not
Speaker 1: a human. It's just because I had already checked out.
Speaker 1: So guilt can come from that as well. You need
Speaker 1: to work out why you feel it, But I think
Speaker 1: the best thing for you to do is cut some
Speaker 1: contact for a little while and maybe just focus on
Speaker 1: moving on yourself, because it's not a nice feeling to
Speaker 1: sit in. And the more you think about it, the
Speaker 1: more that you look at their stories. The more you
Speaker 1: have contact, like Laura said, the more you check in,
Speaker 1: cuddle and kiss them, you're just gonna drag that feeling out.
Speaker 1: Guilt isn't a feeling that we want to hold onto
Speaker 1: an elong gate if we don't have to. It's not
Speaker 1: a feeling that is necessary.
Speaker 2: Not necessary. It's a necessary part of a breakup. So
Speaker 2: I think it's just not necessary to hold onto it. Ah, right,
Speaker 2: did you guys get that question number two?
Speaker 1: I'm coming to in question number two, bear with me. Hey, girls,
Speaker 1: I live with one other flatmate, a female. When I
Speaker 1: moved in, she had a boyfriend. They then broke up
Speaker 1: and she now has a new boyfriend within the month now.
Speaker 1: Nothing against that. It's just context because things have moved
Speaker 1: very quickly. We have quite a small house, one lounge room,
Speaker 1: one bathroom, and one small kitchen. At the start, he
Speaker 1: was at our house two to three nights a week.
Speaker 1: Now he's stay at my house six nights a week.
Speaker 1: That's too much. They've been together for three months now.
Speaker 1: It's very full on. I do really like him.
Speaker 2: We get along.
Speaker 1: It's absolutely nothing against him. For more context, I do
Speaker 1: most of the cleaning and I'm starting to feel like
Speaker 1: I'm the one cleaning up after them at all times.
Speaker 1: He eats my food. I'm a shift worker, and when
Speaker 1: I'm trying to sleep, he's really loud and disrespectful in
Speaker 1: the house, making a lot of noise. And last night,
Speaker 1: when he was drunk, he put a hole in one
Speaker 1: of our walls. Now I heard him do this today,
Speaker 1: I brought up up with my housemate, who then proceeded
Speaker 1: to say the whole was already there. Well, pretty much.
Speaker 1: I just wanted advice as to how I approach this.
Speaker 1: I find myself anxious to come home, frustrated that I'm
Speaker 1: always cleaning up after them. No, prior to this, our
Speaker 1: house was very clean. My housemate used to be really good.
Speaker 1: She's really shy and emotional, so I don't want to
Speaker 1: upset her. But at the end of the day, I
Speaker 1: pay to live in the house and he does not.
Speaker 1: Sometimes I can't even sit in the living room because
Speaker 1: they just overtake it. I feel like I can't live
Speaker 1: in my own house. What do I do?
Speaker 2: Oh? That is so full on? Do you know what?
Speaker 2: It's really hard because when you live in a share house,
Speaker 2: you obviously always want your housemate to feel like they
Speaker 2: can bring their boyfriend or girlfriend or partner, whoever it
Speaker 2: is over because you want them, you know, you don't
Speaker 2: want to impact their relationship. You want them to be
Speaker 2: able to live and be happy. But at the same time,
Speaker 2: six times a week, if you guys have never discussed that,
Speaker 2: I think personally in a share house situation is too
Speaker 2: many times unless they're paying for bills and they're contributing
Speaker 2: to the household.
Speaker 1: Especially when this is a tiny Obviously they've said it's
Speaker 1: a tiny house. It's a tiny little lounge room, one
Speaker 1: little bathroom. The thing I find the funniest in this,
Speaker 1: and this isn't a funny situation, but what I did
Speaker 1: laugh at is that he's put a hole in the
Speaker 1: wall and they've tried to say the hole was already there,
Speaker 1: Like you know, if your house has a hole in the.
Speaker 2: Wall, it could be a very small hole that maybe
Speaker 2: she's like, unless it's a pin breck.
Speaker 1: Uh, this is true, This is true. I think this
Speaker 1: is a really difficult one. But you absolutely have legs
Speaker 1: to stand on in this situation.
Speaker 2: How would you approach it?
Speaker 1: I definitely would say something, And maybe you can't say
Speaker 1: they need to come around less. Maybe that's not where
Speaker 1: you're at. But if that level is going to be maintained,
Speaker 1: if he's going to continuously be there six nights a week,
Speaker 1: that is full time living, you can pay rent. He's
Speaker 1: either got to contribute to the food and the groceries,
Speaker 1: the bills, the weekly rent, because essentially there's not two
Speaker 1: people living there anymore. There's three. Six out of seven nights,
Speaker 1: you're probably all there. The six out of seven nights
Speaker 1: you're shift worker. You're probably not there some nights. So
Speaker 1: I feel like you're living the same amount. I think
Speaker 1: you need to say. You know, we love a compliment sandwich.
Speaker 1: We've spoken about a compli sandwich, So come in and
Speaker 1: start hot. Hey, I love Jordy. He's great. You guys
Speaker 1: are kid together. I'm so glad you're happy. But I
Speaker 1: think maybe if he's going to keep being here for
Speaker 1: six nights a week, we probably need to take another
Speaker 1: look at the rent and the payments because essentially the
Speaker 1: three of us living here now, which is cool, but
Speaker 1: we need to sort out what that looks like for
Speaker 1: the three of us.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think that that's really I think that's
Speaker 2: a very fair way of approaching it. But also when
Speaker 2: it comes to cleaning, because I think sometimes it's not
Speaker 2: even about money. Sometimes it's just about like the general
Speaker 2: how you want your house to be lived in, you know,
Speaker 2: like feeling like you walk in because it's so easy
Speaker 2: as a couple to take over a space. Like one
Speaker 2: mug that's been left in the sink instantly turns into
Speaker 2: two mugs that have been left in the sink. And
Speaker 2: I know that doesn't sound like a big deal, but
Speaker 2: like one person's dinner plates two people's dinner plate. One
Speaker 2: person cooking is now two people cooking, and it's just
Speaker 2: everything is doubled. And I guess explaining that to her
Speaker 2: a little bit, but I know that it can be
Speaker 2: really anxiety inducing to kind of have these conversations where
Speaker 2: you think they're going to be really confrontational. But these
Speaker 2: sorts of chats don't have to be confrontational. It's not
Speaker 2: about saying like, you know, you've done this and I'm
Speaker 2: not happy. It's really just about saying, like, obviously, exactly
Speaker 2: like brit said, you know, I love that you guys
Speaker 2: are together. You know I really like him, and make
Speaker 2: sure that it's known that you really like him as
Speaker 2: a person, but just say, you know, I just want
Speaker 2: you to be super aware that sometimes I do feel
Speaker 2: like a little out of place because you know, you
Speaker 2: guys are a couple, therefore you take up physically more
Speaker 2: of the house, and I don't really feel like when
Speaker 2: you're laying on the couch and you're watching TV that
Speaker 2: I can come in and sit down and I know
Speaker 2: you say it's fine, but I don't really feel like
Speaker 2: the space is open to me. And also I feel like,
Speaker 2: you know that things have not been as clean lately
Speaker 2: because there's just more people living in the house. That's
Speaker 2: just what happens. Is there any way that we can
Speaker 2: look at a better system for making sure that kind
Speaker 2: of the house is at the standard that we always
Speaker 2: used to live at, Because it's only something I've been
Speaker 2: noticing in the last couple of months. I think, like,
Speaker 2: try and do it in a soft, non accusatory way,
Speaker 2: and most of the time we can be so frightened
Speaker 2: about having these conversations, like so fearful, and then when
Speaker 2: you actually do it, you're like, oh, that was not
Speaker 2: even half as bad as I thought it was going
Speaker 2: to be.
Speaker 1: The other thing is, and this is something that I
Speaker 1: would think about, is because I definitely like my own space.
Speaker 1: I like my house clean, I like things away. Are
Speaker 1: you gonna laugh at that? Because my house is a
Speaker 1: pig star right now?
Speaker 2: So also often like this though, but that's so busy
Speaker 2: I cannot even function matter. It's like I like to
Speaker 2: live in my own filth, not other people's films, which
Speaker 2: is totally fine.
Speaker 1: But what I would probably look at doing or maybe
Speaker 1: having a conversation, and maybe it's a way that you
Speaker 1: can bring it up is like, hey, do you think
Speaker 1: you enjoyed it? I mean, you enjoyed it? Look pretty serious.
Speaker 1: He's here like full time. Do you guys think that
Speaker 1: this is you know, do you see this being a
Speaker 1: real serious relationship and you think that this could continue
Speaker 1: and he could maybe be a person? If she says yeah,
Speaker 1: I personally would probably look at maybe moving out into
Speaker 1: a different situation because the house that you've moved into
Speaker 1: is set up for two people. If you don't want
Speaker 1: to live like that, you can't really tell your friend
Speaker 1: they can't have people over, So that that's the hard one.
Speaker 1: And you also, there's nothing worse than not feeling comfortable
Speaker 1: in your own home, not even wanting to go home
Speaker 1: after a shift because you're like I can't like, I
Speaker 1: can't face this person. I can't face the space that
Speaker 1: should be your safe heyment. It should be where you're
Speaker 1: comfortable and you can go and just really be you
Speaker 1: and be happy. So if you're not, it sucks that
Speaker 1: you have to be the one that's like, maybe I'll
Speaker 1: look and you don't have to. Maybe you can ask
Speaker 1: them if they want to look for somewhere else. But
Speaker 1: I think if you bring it up like that, you're like, hey,
Speaker 1: maybe I might actually have a look around for something
Speaker 1: else because I just feel like this space isn't big
Speaker 1: enough for three people. And again, compliment sandwich, I want
Speaker 1: you guys to be happy and do your thing. I
Speaker 1: just don't know if the three of us in this
Speaker 1: situation is right.
Speaker 2: See, I don't know if you need to go to
Speaker 2: the extremities of moving out or trying to like set
Speaker 2: those wheels in motions to share, especially because they've only
Speaker 2: been dating for three months and it seems like things
Speaker 2: she's you know, obviously, moves quickly into relationships, falls in
Speaker 2: love quickly, and that's kind of like what has happened here.
Speaker 2: So she's so excited about her new relationship, and you know,
Speaker 2: you know what it's like when you're in that early
Speaker 2: phases with the blinkers on and you're just kind of
Speaker 2: like all consumed by your new love that you're in,
Speaker 2: you kind of disregard and forget what's going on around you.
Speaker 2: So I would say the very first step is just
Speaker 2: having a super honest conversation, and if in two months
Speaker 2: time nothing has changed, then it might be a case
Speaker 2: of like, Okay, this is not a suitable or comfortable
Speaker 2: living arrangement for me anymore. But don't look at alternate
Speaker 2: options because you're too scared to have a conversation. That
Speaker 2: just is such avoidant behavior, and I don't think that
Speaker 2: anybody is going to benefit from that.
Speaker 1: No, just look at alternate accommodation if you genuinely want
Speaker 1: alternate accommodation, Like if you're like if you're fucking like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I want a new space anyway, I want a new friend,
Speaker 1: not a new friend, I want a new flatmaid or whatever. Like,
Speaker 1: don't do it because you feel like you have to,
Speaker 1: but also don't feel bad if you do want to
Speaker 1: start afresh and nig way, Laura. Question number three, the
Speaker 1: last question, it's I'm asking you because you are about
Speaker 1: to get married, so you are going to have some
Speaker 1: good what I think, and I know you've been in
Speaker 1: this situation before too. I love your advice, and I
Speaker 1: am so stuck on what to do here. Should I
Speaker 1: tell my friend that I'm trying for a baby when
Speaker 1: I'm a bridesmaid in her wedding. I have a friend
Speaker 1: getting married about midnext year, and my partner and I
Speaker 1: are currently trying to feel pregnant. My friend has started
Speaker 1: organizing bridesmaids dresses. The style she's going for is quite
Speaker 1: a slim fit. Should I tell her that I may
Speaker 1: be pregnant at the wedding and therefore wouldn't fit into
Speaker 1: the dress or just wait and see what happens, because
Speaker 1: obviously there's a chance I might not be pregnant, and
Speaker 1: I don't want to cause issues if I don't need
Speaker 1: to feel like I'm in a sticky situation.
Speaker 2: Oh, just tell her. I think with this sort of stuff, like,
Speaker 2: the more time and the more like honesty you have
Speaker 2: around bridesmaids and wedding and prep and all that sort
Speaker 2: of hubbaballoo is that the word it is?
Speaker 1: Now?
Speaker 2: Hoable hubble whatever. I just think that the more time
Speaker 2: an organization you have the better. So I think if
Speaker 2: you're genuinely trying and you hope to be pregnant, of
Speaker 2: course you might not be. Of course, you know, things
Speaker 2: might be more challenging or whatever. You never know what's
Speaker 2: going to happen in the future. But if that's what
Speaker 2: you hope and that's what you're aiming for, I think
Speaker 2: being really really transparent and honest with your friend, especially
Speaker 2: if you're a bridesmaid, means she's a very close friend
Speaker 2: of yours explaining that you know, and she may be
Speaker 2: so exc you. She may also be a little bit like,
Speaker 2: oh god, you're gonna be pregnant for my wedding, which
Speaker 2: if she does that, then she's a bit of a
Speaker 2: shit friend totally. It'll also mean that she's not in
Speaker 2: a situation where she's organized bridesmaid's dresses and then has
Speaker 2: to you have to buy another dress, or she has
Speaker 2: to try and find another dress that matches or color
Speaker 2: suits or whatever. And also, there are so many brands,
Speaker 2: like there are so many brands that do the same
Speaker 2: color but different types of styles and cuts so that
Speaker 2: they're inclusive to people's different body shapes. Like I personally
Speaker 2: am going for one color and the girls can choose
Speaker 2: any dress that they want, because I don't want any
Speaker 2: one person. I mean, one of my friends is just
Speaker 2: two of my friends have just had a baby. I
Speaker 2: don't want anyone to feel like they have to wear
Speaker 2: something that they don't feel super body confident in, because
Speaker 2: it's not about what the photos look like. To me,
Speaker 2: it's about everybody just enjoying themselves and having a great time.
Speaker 2: And I think if you were to say, look, I
Speaker 2: really hope to be pregnant, she probably would just end
Speaker 2: up choosing a style that's gonna suit you and it
Speaker 2: won't be a big deal.
Speaker 1: The other thing, I agree completely. But the other thing
Speaker 1: is also if you don't want to talk about the
Speaker 1: fact that you're trying to get pregnant and you're not
Speaker 1: ready to tell people that for whatever reason, you also
Speaker 1: don't have to. If lo and Behold you fall pregnant,
Speaker 1: you're going to have plenty of time. So you're either
Speaker 1: going to be early pregnancy and the dress will probably
Speaker 1: be the same, or you're going to fall pregnant and
Speaker 1: know that you're heavily going to be pregnant at the
Speaker 1: time of the wedding, in which case there is plenty
Speaker 1: of time to work out address, to find an alternative,
Speaker 1: to find something similar. So I don't think that's right
Speaker 1: or wrong here. I think you can just do if
Speaker 1: you're comfortable and to talk about it with your friends
Speaker 1: and you don't feel like you need to keep it
Speaker 1: a secret. Yeah, I would just say, hey, heads up,
Speaker 1: I'm drying.
Speaker 2: You know, we're getting freakd The only reason why you're
Speaker 2: keeping it secret is because you don't want to interrupt
Speaker 2: their wedding or you don't want to impact their wedding choices,
Speaker 2: you know, and it's not for other personal reasons. Then
Speaker 2: they think, like, absolutely have the conversation. I mean, if
Speaker 2: you're wanting to keep it secret for personal reasons, and
Speaker 2: that's a whole different kettle of fish, do whatever you
Speaker 2: want in that situation. But I just don't think that
Speaker 2: somebody's wedding and being a bridesmaid is more important than
Speaker 2: you being comfortable and being able to like feel amazing
Speaker 2: in approchments.
Speaker 1: And you're definitely not gonna like you're gonna stop trying
Speaker 1: and get pregnant because in a year's time you have
Speaker 1: a friend's wedding, Like, you're not gonna hold your life.
Speaker 2: On hold, you know, though I reckon there's so many
Speaker 2: people who have either thought, Okay, I won't get pregnant
Speaker 2: because I've got this wedding coming up, as in like,
Speaker 2: I'll try and organize it around so I'm not pregnant
Speaker 2: for the wedding. But I also think that there's probably
Speaker 2: been some brides who have an expectation that their friends
Speaker 2: will delay their baby making plans because they don't want
Speaker 2: them to be pregnant their weddings.
Speaker 1: I know people, and I've never said anything, but I
Speaker 1: have definitely had people in my life make the comment
Speaker 1: that we are ready for a baby, but we're just
Speaker 1: gonna wait. We're gonna put off another year or eighteen
Speaker 1: months because we just have so many weddings and engagements
Speaker 1: and hens parties on in the next twelve months, which is,
Speaker 1: you know, you can do whatever you want, go crazy.
Speaker 1: But for me, I think it's wild to be put
Speaker 1: in like your own life and such a big life
Speaker 1: event on hold for someone else's life and someone else's
Speaker 1: big life event. But each to their own, every situation
Speaker 1: is different.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I guess in those sort of situations, it's
Speaker 2: like whatever is that the biggest priority in your life
Speaker 2: is what you will focus on like, if having babies
Speaker 2: was the biggest priority for them, then they probably would
Speaker 2: have moved that date forward. But you begin to see, yeah,
Speaker 2: maybe they just wanted one more hurrah, one more big
Speaker 2: party with their friends before they got I also think
Speaker 2: that there's this big bonus on the fact that, like,
Speaker 2: once you have kids, your life just ends, like you're
Speaker 2: just gonna drop off the face of the earth and
Speaker 2: everything changes forever.
Speaker 1: But that comes full circle back to the intro chat
Speaker 1: about actually binds and like and why everyone was saying, oh,
Speaker 1: you shouldn't have gone away for the weekend with your
Speaker 1: friends when you've got a new baby.
Speaker 2: But even so, it's like it's such a short period
Speaker 2: of time that you have really small children, you know,
Speaker 2: you like you have newborn, you have small kids literally
Speaker 2: like three four years, and then they're kind of like
Speaker 2: these fully functioning, little cool people who you know, if
Speaker 2: you were to get a babysitter and go out then whatever,
Speaker 2: like you can do all of that. I just think
Speaker 2: you're in those like baby fog years for such a
Speaker 2: short period of time, and even for Matt and I
Speaker 2: feel like we're finally I mean, Lawa's only nineteen months
Speaker 2: she's still definitely a toddler. But I do feel like
Speaker 2: life is getting a bit easier. Don't feel like I'm
Speaker 2: in the absence thick of like little kid life, which
Speaker 2: I was, you know, say, six seven months ago. Let's
Speaker 2: do one more question. I've got one more and it's
Speaker 2: a sexy one. And I want to know, Brittany Hockley
Speaker 2: as somebody who is on the online dating apps, if
Speaker 2: it's something that you've ever experienced, because I know back
Speaker 2: when I was on the online dating apps, it was
Speaker 2: something that I got asked many, many times. Short, sharp
Speaker 2: one here for you, ladies, heterosexual pegging. Is it a
Speaker 2: thing or not? My partner and I are keen to
Speaker 2: give it a go. I'm currently at a party where
Speaker 2: there are openly mixed opinions on it.
Speaker 1: You used to get asked a peg online dating?
Speaker 2: Okay. Firstly, I think it's very important we need to
Speaker 2: tell people what pegging is because I know there's gonna
Speaker 2: be some people who are like, what the fuck is that? Okay?
Speaker 2: So pegging is when you put a strap on on
Speaker 2: and you like as in, you would almost have like
Speaker 2: a role reversal, So a female. This is for heterosexual
Speaker 2: couples or I'm sure lere'sbian couples can do it as well,
Speaker 2: but like you put on a strap on and you
Speaker 2: have penetrative sex with your partner, but using the strap
Speaker 2: on right. So I have been asked when I was
Speaker 2: on the dating apps by so many heterosexual men to
Speaker 2: peg them.
Speaker 1: What on earth was your profile?
Speaker 2: Because I have been all like a girl who will
Speaker 2: peg me?
Speaker 1: Yes, something's I missed there because that you have never
Speaker 1: never I have been online dating on almost every platform
Speaker 1: over ten years. Not once in my life has anyone
Speaker 1: asked me.
Speaker 2: To do that. So what was your Maybe this was
Speaker 2: like a real fat five or six years ago, because
Speaker 2: like I swear, because I was still single then ten
Speaker 2: years now, I swear going back about six seven years ago,
Speaker 2: there was a period where in the space of about
Speaker 2: six months, I had several I haven't yet to do it.
Speaker 2: I've never pegged him out to say, did you. I
Speaker 2: have never pegged a man. There's a very funny episode
Speaker 2: and I can't remember the TV show, but they scream
Speaker 2: out pack him like a qude And that became a
Speaker 2: bit of a house motto in my old sharehouse because
Speaker 2: I had this guy online dating who asked me to
Speaker 2: peg him anyway, long story, long, long, little side tangent.
Speaker 1: This.
Speaker 2: The reason I want to include this question is because
Speaker 2: it actually made me think of what happened on Rob
Speaker 2: Mills's chat on Tuesday, and I thought it was such
Speaker 2: an interesting part of that conversation and something that I
Speaker 2: would love to reiterate. We love to put labels on
Speaker 2: what is masculine and what is feminine, and what is
Speaker 2: stereotypically deemed as heterosexual and what is in And I
Speaker 2: think that when it comes to what you enjoy in
Speaker 2: the bedroom, just because you enjoy penetrative sex and you
Speaker 2: are a guy, doesn't make you any less masculine, doesn't
Speaker 2: mean that you're instantly gay. Like all of these old
Speaker 2: and very dated gender norms around how we approach sex
Speaker 2: are really going out the window. So I think if
Speaker 2: you are a heterosexual couple and you're interested in trying pegging,
Speaker 2: you don't have to put it out as a forum
Speaker 2: to your friends to figure out like who is okay
Speaker 2: with it and who isn't okay with it? Do whatever
Speaker 2: the fuck feels good to you. If you enjoy it,
Speaker 2: go for it, Try it. Maybe you'll turn around and
Speaker 2: say you love it and it becomes a part of
Speaker 2: your bedroom routine. Maybe you'll turn around and say, actually,
Speaker 2: you know what, we tried that it wasn't for me,
Speaker 2: but I definitely think it doesn't really like. Ultimately, the
Speaker 2: answer to this question is that it doesn't really matter
Speaker 2: if it's a thing or it isn't a thing. If
Speaker 2: it's something that is a thing to you, go for
Speaker 2: it and try it out for yourself.
Speaker 1: Pegging is stereotyped as a homosexual act. Like the reason
Speaker 1: that you've written this in asking a question about heterosexual
Speaker 1: pegging is because you obviously think, like a lot of society,
Speaker 1: the pegging has to be a homosexual act, but it
Speaker 1: most certainly doesn't. The fact is, the reason people do
Speaker 1: anal play is because it's pleasurable and it feels good.
Speaker 1: And that does not matter if you are a homosexual
Speaker 1: or heterosexual. It's the area is the same, the pleasure
Speaker 1: is the same, the feeling is the same. So I
Speaker 1: think that this is something that from the outside you're
Speaker 1: looking in thinking that shock horror. We're straight and you
Speaker 1: know he wants to try this, but I think it
Speaker 1: go crazy. But maybe you can ease into it if
Speaker 1: it's a new thing for both of you. Maybe you
Speaker 1: just start with a finger, like we know Laura pinking
Speaker 1: the stinking. Maybe you start small at home, if this
Speaker 1: is a bran new thing that you have never ever experienced,
Speaker 1: and maybe you work up to it, because I think
Speaker 1: for a lot of people and a lot of couples,
Speaker 1: just going healthful over willy nilly punning tended.
Speaker 2: Literally with the willing, literally willy nilly.
Speaker 1: If you just go crazy, then it's probably not gonna
Speaker 1: be an enjoyable experience for anyone.
Speaker 2: I actually just was doing some live googling as we're
Speaker 2: answering this question. So there is an article. This is
Speaker 2: from twenty twenty, though, so I can only assume that
Speaker 2: it's increased since then. But at the time, online sex
Speaker 2: toy retailer love Honey reported that sales of strap ons
Speaker 2: were up by nearly two hundred percent in twenty twenty,
Speaker 2: and one would think with the very like sex inclusive
Speaker 2: and sex positive conversations that are playing out across social
Speaker 2: media now, that those figures would only increase over time.
Speaker 2: So I think, yes, by the sounds of it, statistics
Speaker 2: say that it definitely is a thing.
Speaker 1: So go and get pegging. Maybe that maybe go and
Speaker 1: fall and peg.
Speaker 2: Maybe for some people that's the laundry.
Speaker 1: Maybe for other people that is in the bedroom or
Speaker 1: whatever room you're in, you enjoy that pegging experience.
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