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Speaker 2: Hello, Hello, got our books ready for book club?

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Speaker 3: Hi?

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Speaker 4: Hello there, Hello everyone. Hello to you too.

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Speaker 1: That's the first time we've ever spoken over each other.

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Speaker 4: Also, every third good today.

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Speaker 1: I like to think every Man and His Dog has a.

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Speaker 3: Podcast now, and about women, every Man, Woman, and Dog

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Speaker 3: and Cat has a podcast. I would like to think

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Speaker 3: we are broadcasting professionals.

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Speaker 2: Like to think that wish we were.

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Speaker 3: Maybe I should get one of those girls from the

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Speaker 3: Bachelor that don't shut their mouths when they talk.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I work in marketing.

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Speaker 4: So what happens here in our book club is we've

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Speaker 4: narrowed it down to two books that we read from

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Speaker 4: our own.

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Speaker 2: Could we be more up ourselves?

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Speaker 1: Narcissistic?

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Speaker 3: Much?

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Speaker 2: Well, I've got a.

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Speaker 4: Bit here from when I was in my teens about

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Speaker 4: some of the beauty trends.

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Speaker 2: Do me to start with that?

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Speaker 4: Sure, for sure, and then I might work my way

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Speaker 4: up to discussing my first time first time at what

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Speaker 4: beauty trends? All? Right, here we go, ready, page thirty two.

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Speaker 4: I'm quoting from Amanda Keller natural born.

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Speaker 1: Keller very good.

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Speaker 4: So putting the boy's.

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Speaker 2: Phone number around my neck.

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Speaker 4: Was about as rebellious as I got. Although there was

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Speaker 4: a phase where I was desperate to peroxide the front

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Speaker 4: flicks of my hair like the tufts at school.

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Speaker 1: The task do you know that? Look the tufts?

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Speaker 2: Their fringes were blonde, no.

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Speaker 4: Matter what color the rest of their hair was. My

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Speaker 4: poor excuse for fara faced hair was already a bad

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Speaker 4: look all round, mousey brown shoulder length with a short

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Speaker 4: fringe on either side of a middle part. Mum quite

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Speaker 4: rightly kept saying no to my pleas for a peroxide fringe.

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Speaker 4: One day, in a moment of genius reverse psychology, she

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Speaker 4: finally gave in, go on, do what you like. It

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Speaker 4: was the most confronting thing she could ever have said

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Speaker 4: to me. Now I had permission, Is this what I

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Speaker 4: wanted to do?

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Speaker 2: So I dropped the idea very quickly. Instead, my friend.

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Speaker 4: Janet and I said about plucking our eyebrows. I still

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Speaker 4: have vivid memories from childhood of my mother sitting around

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Speaker 4: the kitchen table to pluck her eyebrows. It was quite

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Speaker 4: an occasion. She had an old tin that held the tweezers.

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Speaker 4: There was a mirror, thousands of bobby pins used to

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Speaker 4: set her hair in a weekly perm Janet and I

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Speaker 4: were best friends. Our families were friends too, and most

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Speaker 4: weekends we slept over each other's houses. We hadn't considered

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Speaker 4: going down the plucking path thanks to Brookshields and Margot Hemingway,

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Speaker 4: whose thick eyebrows had been all to go for years.

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Speaker 4: We of course thought Margo's name because it was m A. R. G. Gauix,

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Speaker 4: we called her marg Hawks. So Brooke and marg Hawks

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Speaker 4: were our inspiration, with Groucho mark styles slabs of hair

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Speaker 4: on the side of their foreheads.

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Speaker 2: But then along came Sheryl Tigus. Do you remember her?

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Speaker 4: Yes, with her deforested eyebrow look, two straight lines she

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Speaker 4: appeared to have drawn on with a biro, So we

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Speaker 4: thought that was a good idea. Our mothers were against

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Speaker 4: us setting two.

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Speaker 2: With the tweezers.

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Speaker 4: They said, we were fortunate to have that's lovely natural eyebrows.

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Speaker 4: Janet and I thought this was hilarious and started referring

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Speaker 4: to our eyebrows as fortunates. And in fact I still do.

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Speaker 4: Nothing our mothers could do would stop us hacking off

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Speaker 4: our fortunates, And if they looked surprised at the results,

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Speaker 4: it was nothing compared to our new looks of perpetual astonishment.

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Speaker 4: I wish to this day I'd gone easier on them,

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Speaker 4: because no matter how many times you wax, pluck, or

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Speaker 4: your nether regions. The hair grows back like a jungle

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Speaker 4: over taking a missionary's tidy garden. But pluck your eyebrows

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Speaker 4: severely once and that's it for life. Hair and eyebrows aside.

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Speaker 4: The fashion of the day, at least in my daigy

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Speaker 4: circles was JC sandals O plastic leather or fake leather,

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Speaker 4: so named because they were supposed to resemble the footwhear

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Speaker 4: of our Lord, though I doubt he teamed his with

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Speaker 4: multicolored toe socks. In the winter, we'd wear this with

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Speaker 2: That was a uniform.

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Speaker 4: If you look up mid nineteen seventies episodes of the

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Speaker 4: TV show Countdown on YouTube, you'll see an entire audience

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Speaker 4: of girls with mousey brown hair wearing exactly this. They

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Speaker 4: shirtless eating pop.

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Speaker 1: Those gormless kids.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, we were all dressed exactly the same, and I.

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Speaker 3: Was just standing there, yeah, gornlessly, ye going, you were

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Speaker 3: smelling a fart. Reading from my book Brendan Jones, fifty

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Speaker 3: Shades of fifty what page I'm up to page forty nine, Okay,

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Speaker 3: And this is when this is me going to art school.

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Speaker 3: So I left boarding school, regimented boarding school, all boys

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Speaker 3: boarding school, to art school, where the demographic was me

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Speaker 3: being the youngest sixteen to the oldest being this old

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Speaker 3: lady who used to smoke black and white cigarettes. And

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Speaker 3: she would have been anywhere between sixty eight and seventy four.

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Speaker 4: Because at sixteen you wouldn't be able to tell she's

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Speaker 4: probably forty.

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Speaker 1: She could have been forty.

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Speaker 3: When I was at school, your sexual activity wasn't actually questioned.

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Speaker 3: Going to an all boys school was probably a pretty

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Speaker 3: good reason for that. We're all in the same boat.

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Speaker 3: Art school, though, was a different kettle of fish, a

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Speaker 3: new boat as I was without going to keep doing this,

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Speaker 3: probably as I was, without a doubt, the only virgin

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Speaker 3: by a mile. Four of the students actually had their

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Speaker 3: own student in my art class, so they didn't even

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Speaker 3: have to boast, Hey, I got kids, I've had sex.

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Speaker 4: Oh they had their own students as children.

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Speaker 3: But they had their own kids. Four of the actual

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Speaker 3: four of the students in the class had children.

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Speaker 2: Oh.

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Speaker 3: This became a discussion point, and it wasn't in a

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Speaker 3: derogatory way. It was just passing conversation. One day we

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Speaker 3: were out in the playground, which sounds.

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Speaker 4: Weird art school, I know, because.

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Speaker 3: Well it sounds we're at tafe but outdoor space we

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Speaker 1: It's too wordy.

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Speaker 3: Melissa who boasted about never wearing underwear and was the

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Speaker 3: daughter of a notorious colorful Sydney identity.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, can say guess.

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Speaker 3: This was Abe Saffron's daughter. Wow, she was talking about

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Speaker 3: not having it. For a while, I didn't even know

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Speaker 3: what it was really. Bisexual, Ray, he's the one that

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Speaker 3: used to wear dressed like he was in the plo.

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Speaker 3: He had the fatigues on and the doc Martin boots.

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Speaker 4: But told you he was bisexual.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, he said, I'd help you out there, but I'm

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Speaker 3: not into chicks right now.

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Speaker 1: What about Brendan here? You could pop his cherry whiff

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Speaker 1: of clear as to which she said, ooh, I've never

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Speaker 1: had a virgin before. Oh so for a minute, I'm thinking,

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Speaker 1: hang on, is this happening.

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Speaker 3: Everyone then piped in Dope Smoking D looked at me

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Speaker 3: and said, well.

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Speaker 1: If she doesn't, I will love D.

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Speaker 3: Look like an extra from Prisoner, the Bad Prisoner, you know,

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Speaker 3: the original prisoner. Yeah, dope smoking D was the same

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Speaker 3: age as my mum. So I sidestepped by saying I

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Speaker 3: might not be a virgin. Why not? Everyone said collectively, yeah, right.

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Speaker 3: Even I didn't believe me because of my whole late development.

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Speaker 3: Sex was something I hadn't even contemplated. It was only

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Speaker 3: in the last year of school that I had developed

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Speaker 3: what does that mean? Well, which was a far more

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Speaker 3: subtle way of putting it. Unlike Dad, who was walking

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Speaker 3: and said, well look at that.

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Speaker 1: You had hair on your bull bag.

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Speaker 4: Oh you weren't at the communal showers at the pool.

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Speaker 1: No, wow, do what do you remember developing?

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Speaker 4: I remember I used to think that the ariole had

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Speaker 4: to become the bosom, and I thought, when's it ever

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Speaker 4: gone to happen. I might say I was probably eighteen

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Speaker 4: when I'm still thinking is it ever going to happen?

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Speaker 4: But I used to think the nipple had to form

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Speaker 4: a bosom, right, and it seemed that could never Ever.

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Speaker 1: That's one of those big areole eyes.

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Speaker 2: I didn't have that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we don't like that. No, I do you have that?

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Speaker 2: No, but you have to like everyone's.

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Speaker 3: I just realized that I don't want to think about

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Speaker 3: your aerole. You don't want those big ones. But I

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Speaker 3: didn't understand be Cardi B's got those big ones.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I just didn't get that.

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Speaker 4: It was the flesh around it that became big.

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Speaker 1: Do you remember when your bosoms formed?

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Speaker 4: I remember getting hair more, always more.

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Speaker 2: Than I wanted.

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Speaker 1: What did you think about that?

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Speaker 4: I don't remember it suddenly one day being there, but

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Speaker 4: I do remember suddenly thinking this is too much.

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Speaker 1: Too much. Did you did you do any grooming?

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Speaker 4: I think once with some scissors, and I must have

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Speaker 4: left hair for it, because remember Mum saying very delicately,

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Speaker 4: because we didn't talk about that. Mom said, you know,

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Speaker 4: have you had a bit of a trim down there

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Speaker 4: or something? You said, We'll just be careful, be careful

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Speaker 4: of what, Well, I don't cut myself right and clean

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Speaker 4: up after yourself. But if I didn't grow up in

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Speaker 4: a family where we walk around nude or any of them, no.

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Speaker 1: One I didn't either. What are you in? Are you

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Speaker 1: in Waco? You're brands, Davidian? I mean widows do that.

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Speaker 4: No, A lot of families do a lot of families

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Speaker 4: are very natural about the nudity up to a point.

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Speaker 4: Well to your father saying, look at you with your ball.

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Speaker 1: Bag, he's walking past the shower, I just left the

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Speaker 1: door upen. He just walked.

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Speaker 2: Past with some friends.

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Speaker 4: It was his birthday party.

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Speaker 3: All right.

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Speaker 2: Well, I'm going to read on now too.

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Speaker 4: When from my ball bag, my hairy bull bag, to

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Speaker 4: my loss of virginity?

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Speaker 1: Oh, here we go.

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Speaker 4: In my second year at college, I moved off campus.

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Speaker 4: So I'm a late bloom.

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Speaker 2: Look at this.

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Speaker 4: I've been at UNI for two years into an old

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Speaker 4: and I do mean old terrace house in Williams Street

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Speaker 4: with my friend Edwena. I also got myself an actual, living,

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Speaker 4: breathing boyfriend.

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Speaker 2: John. I embarrassing readingness about him.

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Speaker 4: He's still a friend of mine, So I don't want

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Speaker 4: to say too much John, So I don't want to

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Speaker 4: say too much, but I'm sure you won't mind me

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Speaker 4: recounting our first source experience. He probably doesn't even remember.

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Speaker 4: I may have been naive, but I wasn't completely unprepared.

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Speaker 4: Back in high school, I'd seen a book in the

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Speaker 4: library that had an illustration of a boy and a

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Speaker 4: girl doing it. This illustration wasn't anything like those drawings

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Speaker 4: in the Joy of Sex where people sat around in

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Speaker 4: Well, I don't want to be too graphic, because.

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Speaker 4: Well, John's a human who was a friend of mine.

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Speaker 1: And really, if I looked at your book, no.

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Speaker 4: That's all I wrote. How about you?

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Speaker 3: The closest thing I've got is my first tongue pash kiss.

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Speaker 1: This was just with an orange.

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Speaker 1: Of course you did. That's why you never got ever

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Speaker 3: Here I was, don't take the pith, seventeen years of age,

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Speaker 1: It was like I was lousy with virginity. Bisexual.

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Speaker 3: It had come rather unexpectedly in the recent Christmas holidays.

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Speaker 1: You ever get that, You know you're a little bit.

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Speaker 3: They couldn't help make Shakespeare. They couldn't help but notice

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Speaker 3: She leaned over to give me a kiss, but fell

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Speaker 3: We were on the embankment of the showground. So she's

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Speaker 2: But how did a tongue go in?

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Speaker 1: Well, she's fallen onto my mouth.

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Speaker 3: I just opened mind and then it was happening, her

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Speaker 1: I wasn't even trying.

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Speaker 3: Remember that time I told you about beers my friend

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Speaker 3: It was just it was just happening because I was

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Speaker 3: You know it was like that seen from puberty Blues,

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Speaker 4: I remember there was a church group and this guy

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Speaker 2: Before anything.

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Speaker 4: And at the end of the night he dropped me

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Speaker 3: So did you he obviously did he force his tongue

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Speaker 2: It kind of just happened, but I was shocked.

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Speaker 1: It's strange, isn't it The first time it happened. It's

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Speaker 3: It's like I remember the first time I had sex,

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Speaker 1: And I've had sex a few times now, so I've.

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Speaker 2: Got three kids, so three times.

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Speaker 4: Well, you know, I was always such a romantic that

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Speaker 4: it was never brutal. Or you know, it's like when

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Speaker 4: thinking why don't anyone tell me that how horrendously physical

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Speaker 3: Really, a baby, you've got a thing coming out of

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Speaker 4: Of human coming out, and you're both move to allow it.

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Speaker 4: It's never going to be easy.

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Speaker 1: But here you go, you having more kids. You have

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Speaker 4: So maybe there is something, you know, it's like that

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Speaker 4: I wonder if there's something that stops us remembering every

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Speaker 1: Maybe I got to practice on more oranges, and I used.

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Speaker 4: To try practice kissing the mirror to see how i'd

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Speaker 3: But I totally know what you're talking about, because you

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Speaker 3: You know some of those people you see I'm married

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Speaker 1: What is that? Looks so bad? So I don't know

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Speaker 4: Telly No, like Sandra Sully the screen when Sandra's doing.

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Speaker 2: Someone push the TV and.

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Speaker 4: Well, I'm glad we got this without too much unpleasantness.

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Speaker 1: I think. Is that what you said on your first

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Speaker 4: Well, that's enough, book and stop blushing and we'll move

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Speaker 4: on to another section. Please join us next us for

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Speaker 4: another episode of Jonesy and Amanda's Holiday Book Club.

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Speaker 2: Well you're going to.

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Speaker 1: Read that, well, no way, I don't know where that is.

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Speaker 1: It's in the book, but let's let's you wrote it