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Speaker 1: Dowered by the radio WAB from ninety six Air AM.

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Speaker 2: So whereever you're listening today, this is Clezy and Lisa's podcast.

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Speaker 3: Today.

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Speaker 4: On our podcast, we've got some more of the bits

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Speaker 4: you may have missed.

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Speaker 5: Out on yesterday. It was lucky enough to go to

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Speaker 5: a little bit of lunch with some really good friends.

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Speaker 1: Oh nice.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, when we go for a lunch and you start

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Speaker 5: eating and you're chatting and all the rest of it,

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Speaker 5: all of a sudden it's four o'clock and you've.

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Speaker 1: Just finished eat. It's a good lunch. It was a

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Speaker 1: great lunch.

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Speaker 4: I must have been a two bottle of white lunch ripper, and.

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Speaker 5: I hadn't had too many wines, so I was okay

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Speaker 5: to have a bit of a well, I drove home,

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Speaker 5: but you know, you finished eating probably three thirty or

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Speaker 5: something like that, so you don't really want dinner. But

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Speaker 5: I got to add seven o'clock, and you know, now,

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Speaker 5: I like, yeah, I was thinking about soup, and I went,

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Speaker 5: you know what, I'm just going to make myself a

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Speaker 5: toasty okay. And you know that I live married to

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Speaker 5: someone who's a wonderful cook, and I'm a shocker. And

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Speaker 5: I had lack confidence probably making it.

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Speaker 6: I wouldn't call making a toast of sandwich cooking in

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Speaker 6: my books, to be fair, making a toasted sandwich is cooking, okay, okay,

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Speaker 6: And it's a challenge.

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Speaker 5: From him is I can't concentrate, la. No, what I

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Speaker 5: did right, I'll get the bread. I'm watching TV while

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Speaker 5: I'm doing it. That's my first excuse. And I'm also

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Speaker 5: bloody hopeless. So I'm getting sandwiches usually something you So

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Speaker 5: I'm going to make one in the in the pan.

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Speaker 1: I like it in the pants.

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Speaker 5: You get the spatul like kind of the utensiads.

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Speaker 1: So this is what I do right.

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Speaker 5: I'm watching TV and I'm going, oh yeah, okay, yeah,

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Speaker 5: I look down. I'll quit my watching master Ship.

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Speaker 1: I wasn't. I should have. I put my pan on

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Speaker 5: Yes, big mistake, first thing I did, because then I

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Speaker 5: started putting my sandwich together. Butter on the outside of

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Speaker 4: You put your butcher on before you'd started making the sandwich.

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Speaker 5: No, I put my pan on the heat first and

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Speaker 5: then started putting butter on the outside of the bread.

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Speaker 5: And then I started to get my cheese and my

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Speaker 5: ham and all.

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Speaker 1: The rest of it. Together. You've made it backwards. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I made it backwards big time.

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Speaker 5: And then I've turned around and gone to pick up

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Speaker 5: the pan forgetting it's been on the heat for five minutes,

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Speaker 5: and I just burnt my hand off. I dropped that down.

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Speaker 5: So then I get my sandwich and I place it

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Speaker 5: into the very very hot pan, which you've retrieved from

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Speaker 5: the floor, which I've retrieved from the floor.

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Speaker 1: Do you give it a rice? Did it? Blokes one?

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Speaker 5: I go from the time that I put the sandwiches

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Speaker 5: to get the utensil. The first side is burnt. Yeah,

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Speaker 5: like eight seconds. It's burnt already because the pants.

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Speaker 4: You got to do it quite low.

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Speaker 5: So then I turn it over and obviously I'm watching

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Speaker 1: So then I spent squishing it down with a spachelor.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, and Laurie's gone, are you all right? Yeah, That's

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Speaker 5: what I'm doing. She goes, you are right, because I

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Speaker 5: can smell something's burning. So I spent five minutes scraping

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Speaker 1: It was all I had. I'm just scraping the carbon

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Speaker 1: into the bin, right, And it was the worst toasting in.

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Speaker 6: The history of Do you when when you're making an

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Speaker 6: old school like that, which I like, do you do

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Speaker 6: you butter both sides of the bread before you start

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Speaker 3: No?

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Speaker 1: Just the outside. I don't bother with the inside.

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Speaker 1: Or do you do that once you've got I've got

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Speaker 3: Do you do that?

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Speaker 6: I'm not that smart because I actually put butter in

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Speaker 5: My fingers and no butter fingers, but no one loves

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Speaker 5: the butter fingers. The key was not to watch TV

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Speaker 5: and to concentrate on I was what I was bloody

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Speaker 5: well doll. It was just so frustrated, right, So it

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Speaker 5: was the worst sandwich. Even though you scraped the carbet

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Speaker 5: And the butter because of the outside. It burnt so badly.

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Speaker 5: The cheese hadn't melted properly. So I've got blocks. So

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Speaker 5: I come into work this morning. You know what I

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Speaker 5: did this morning? My bloody toast did I smelled that

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Speaker 5: it was all through the air conditioning this morning. So

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Speaker 5: I'm starting up a new business. It's called Clezi's Charcoals.

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Speaker 5: When your bakery, yeah, you can come and get some.

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Speaker 5: I don't know, bakery goods burned like no one else

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Speaker 1: More more Lisa, More podcasts soon. Well, as you know, Closy.

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Speaker 6: I'm very excited because the tattooist of our Schwitzerstan every episode.

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Speaker 6: The most important person apart from Lally who the story

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Speaker 6: is about, is the lady who wrote this book. Heather

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Speaker 6: Morris is joining us now. Good morning, They're welcome.

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Speaker 3: Good morning everybody.

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Speaker 6: Firstly, may I say on behalf of the twelve million

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Speaker 6: people around the world at least who read and loved

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Speaker 6: this book as much as I do.

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Speaker 4: Thank you. It is so beautiful.

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Speaker 6: But for those who haven't read it, is it possible

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Speaker 6: to give us a very brief synopsis?

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Speaker 3: Absolutely? Luly Sokomosov playboy, love him and leave him. From

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Speaker 3: Petis Lava and Slovakia was taken to Alschwitz and within

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Speaker 3: about three or four months he was given the job

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Speaker 3: of being the tattooist. One day he held the arm

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Speaker 3: of a young girl dressed in rag for h shaven, unbathed,

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Speaker 3: and he looked into her eye. And sixty years later

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Speaker 3: I sat with him and he told me how he

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Speaker 3: knew and that member that instant he would never love

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Speaker 3: a mother. Wow.

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Speaker 5: Talk about starting with a bang as a debut novel.

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Speaker 5: Were you even surprised by this incredible success?

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Speaker 3: Oh, utterly, because it took so long to get out,

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Speaker 3: because I read it to the screenplay, because Bloody wanted

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Speaker 3: Brad Pitt and anyone Ryan Gosling to play him. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: Person ran Goslin.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Yeah, he said it on him cause I told

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Speaker 3: when I was complaining to my sister in Lauren, San

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Speaker 1: So I've been sending every studio around the world.

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Speaker 3: I was sending them the story and she looked at

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Speaker 3: him and said, oh, for goodness, say right, and the

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Speaker 6: Well, okay, it came to it the other way around,

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Speaker 6: but Harvey cattell casters as lollly, how do you feel

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Speaker 6: about that? I mean, I couldn't think of anything better

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Speaker 3: And yeah, well well Ryan couldn't play He probably could

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Speaker 3: in the European accent scratch yes, but he is. He

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Speaker 4: Are you someone plays you? Melanie Olynsky plays you?

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Speaker 4: How's the real is that?

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Speaker 3: And I went, yeah, I think you're going to have

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Speaker 1: How about control?

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Speaker 5: Or things that you've obviously been involved with the actors,

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Speaker 5: But how much control can you have on the production itself?

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Speaker 5: And was it hard to hold back at times?

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Speaker 3: I was a consultant, that was a given. There was

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Speaker 3: had that role. And the brilliant makers the Synchronosity Storms

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Speaker 3: we drafted the script. All episodes were being sent to me,

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Speaker 3: and we just worked through them. And when I would say,

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Speaker 3: but this is why we're.

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Speaker 1: Doing it this way.

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Speaker 3: I needed to be educated and how your books are adapted. Still, look,

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Speaker 3: they listened to me, and I listened to them, and

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Speaker 6: I feel it would have been a bit of a

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Speaker 6: double whammy for you, Heather, because not only are you

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Speaker 6: sort of hanging over your baby your book to and

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Speaker 6: then they're you know, tinkering with it and so on,

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Speaker 6: but you must have felt you were also representing Lari

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Speaker 6: Sokolov as well.

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Speaker 1: In any so you were.

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Speaker 4: Twice there, you know, twice the anxious.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and that was my thing right from the start

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Speaker 3: with them. You will not, in any way of shape

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Speaker 3: or form change the depiction of the characters of Lali

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Speaker 3: and Guita. Yep, you want to make Berretsky a better

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Speaker 3: the personalities and who Lully and Guitar were that was

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Speaker 1: That's disappointing.

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Speaker 4: We will get very angry.

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Speaker 1: More clezy, more Lisa more podcasts soon.

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Speaker 6: We're we're going going back to nineteen eighty four again

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Speaker 4: And this time our guest is the very one and

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Speaker 4: only John Burgess.

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Speaker 1: Hello, thanks for remembering. How can we forget four?

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Speaker 3: Wow?

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Speaker 1: Quick year time? Yeah, a lot of things were going

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Speaker 2: People up as you know, what was the what's the

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Speaker 2: the eighties here in Perth were something.

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Speaker 6: Now, especially when Hi Fron Lunch Onrane Mediterranean.

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Speaker 5: You have Lunch John with Bonding and Laurie Connell and

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Speaker 2: There was Champagne consuming competition with Alan Bond and his

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Speaker 1: You read it awesome.

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Speaker 6: Well, you had the number one radio show in Perth

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Speaker 6: in nineteen eighty four on six pm. Of course, what

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Speaker 6: do you think it was about your radio show that

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Speaker 1: Well, the music probably had a lot to do with it.

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 2: I've always tried this is my fifty ninth year, by

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Speaker 1: But it's it was just a great time to be

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Speaker 2: Of course there wasn't as many stations in notty four

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Speaker 1: Out tail mighty fine.

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Speaker 5: I used to listen to you when I was getting

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Speaker 1: I remember one morning we had like this.

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Speaker 5: There was a middle of winter Burjo's on the radio

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Speaker 1: I broke my toe. I kicked my toe on the

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Speaker 1: heat John's making me laugh. Did I get the bill

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Speaker 1: for that? But I've got it for you today.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: But it was the thing that you're very You're a

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Speaker 2: We did some weird and wonderful things, you know, keep

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Speaker 5: Absolutely. You weren't just starring on six PM. You're also

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Speaker 1: Eighty four and what a huge success Wheel of Fortune

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Speaker 1: Who knows what?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, eighty four I started Wheeler Fortune, took over from

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Speaker 2: Yes, it was on at three o'clock in the afternoon

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Speaker 1: So did you have this?

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Speaker 5: Didn't you have a brutal schedule? You hopped on a

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Speaker 2: Radio here in Perth, went home, got my gear together,

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Speaker 2: flew to Adelaide where we recorded Wheel of Fortune. Got

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Speaker 2: taping about seven o'clock that night, finish about midnight.

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Speaker 1: Do five shows.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, get up Saturday morning. After having a few drinks

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Speaker 6: Yeah, right abot time they brought the show to you

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Speaker 2: And as well as that, I was I launched. I

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Speaker 2: was Lotto in Australia, so I was flying to Melbourne

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Speaker 2: Do my show from Melbourne back to Perth on Wednesday morning,

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Speaker 2: fly back here on Wednesday, and then on Friday, flight

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Speaker 1: Get about eighty everywhere were you were, burgo everywhere?

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Speaker 2: Before seven had come up with an idea, won't you

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Speaker 2: Yes, that's where I decided to give up radio here

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