1 00:00:00,400 --> 00:00:05,040 Speaker 1: If I can't figure somebody out, I always ask them 2 00:00:05,120 --> 00:00:11,280 Speaker 1: about their upbringing, relationship with brothers and sisters, mum and dad, 3 00:00:11,640 --> 00:00:15,520 Speaker 1: what they did, and I can usually get a better 4 00:00:15,560 --> 00:00:19,840 Speaker 1: handle on them from their answer, because I reckon it 5 00:00:19,880 --> 00:00:24,080 Speaker 1: doesn't matter whether you're eighteen or eighty. You are a 6 00:00:24,120 --> 00:00:27,600 Speaker 1: product of your family upbringing and you never ever lose it. 7 00:00:32,040 --> 00:00:34,240 Speaker 2: Welcome to How I Work, a show about the tactics 8 00:00:34,240 --> 00:00:36,319 Speaker 2: he used by leading innovators to get so much out 9 00:00:36,320 --> 00:00:38,919 Speaker 2: of their day. I'm your host, doctor Amantha Imber. I'm 10 00:00:38,960 --> 00:00:42,760 Speaker 2: an organizational psychologist, the founder of innovation consultancy Inventium, and 11 00:00:42,800 --> 00:00:45,600 Speaker 2: I'm obsessed with finding ways to optimize my work date. 12 00:00:46,400 --> 00:00:50,519 Speaker 2: My guest today is David Koshi Akosh, who is one 13 00:00:50,560 --> 00:00:54,760 Speaker 2: of Australia's most recognized faces because he's on TV every 14 00:00:54,880 --> 00:00:58,640 Speaker 2: morning as the co host of seven Networks Sunrise, a 15 00:00:58,720 --> 00:01:02,040 Speaker 2: job he has had for the last seventeen years, and 16 00:01:02,080 --> 00:01:04,360 Speaker 2: for most of those seventeen years sometimes has actually been 17 00:01:04,360 --> 00:01:07,959 Speaker 2: Australia's number one rating breakfast show. Koshi is also the 18 00:01:08,040 --> 00:01:10,839 Speaker 2: chairman of Port Adelaide Football Club and is the director 19 00:01:10,880 --> 00:01:13,880 Speaker 2: of Pinstrip Media and a reader's Digest survey found that 20 00:01:13,920 --> 00:01:16,480 Speaker 2: Koshi is one of the top twenty five most trusted 21 00:01:16,520 --> 00:01:20,200 Speaker 2: people in Australia. I was very keen to have Koshi 22 00:01:20,240 --> 00:01:22,959 Speaker 2: on the show because I wanted to understand how he 23 00:01:23,080 --> 00:01:27,039 Speaker 2: balances his world as a breakfast TV host, waking it 24 00:01:27,440 --> 00:01:30,720 Speaker 2: on godly hours of the morning with his other business commitments. 25 00:01:31,200 --> 00:01:34,120 Speaker 2: And I must say in person, Koshi was exactly how 26 00:01:34,160 --> 00:01:37,080 Speaker 2: you expect him to be, super friendly and chatty and 27 00:01:37,160 --> 00:01:40,680 Speaker 2: also very thoughtful. So if you've ever wondered what goes 28 00:01:40,720 --> 00:01:43,399 Speaker 2: on behind the scenes of breakfast TV and how the 29 00:01:43,440 --> 00:01:46,200 Speaker 2: rest of the working day fits in around this commitment, 30 00:01:46,280 --> 00:01:48,800 Speaker 2: then I think you'll enjoy my chat with Koshi. So 31 00:01:49,160 --> 00:01:53,080 Speaker 2: over to Koshi to hear about how he works. Now, 32 00:01:53,200 --> 00:01:54,200 Speaker 2: David Koshi, what do. 33 00:01:54,160 --> 00:01:57,520 Speaker 1: I call you? You can call me anything, as long 34 00:01:57,560 --> 00:02:02,000 Speaker 1: as it's nice. People call me all sorts of things, 35 00:02:02,000 --> 00:02:05,760 Speaker 1: and sometimes it's not very nice. So David Koshi, whatever. 36 00:02:05,840 --> 00:02:08,760 Speaker 2: Fantastic I'll go with Coche, Welcome to the show. 37 00:02:08,960 --> 00:02:09,799 Speaker 1: Thank you for having me. 38 00:02:10,240 --> 00:02:13,080 Speaker 2: Now. Often I find that people think a lot about 39 00:02:13,240 --> 00:02:15,959 Speaker 2: morning routines, but I know you've got an evening routine. 40 00:02:16,280 --> 00:02:18,800 Speaker 1: Yeah I have. I've got a morning routine and an 41 00:02:18,840 --> 00:02:19,800 Speaker 1: evening routine. 42 00:02:19,919 --> 00:02:21,120 Speaker 2: Let's start with the evening. 43 00:02:22,200 --> 00:02:28,840 Speaker 1: My life, I cope with stress way more if there's 44 00:02:29,000 --> 00:02:31,760 Speaker 1: a routine in my life. So I'm a very routine 45 00:02:32,200 --> 00:02:36,240 Speaker 1: and process driven person. So I like my life to 46 00:02:36,240 --> 00:02:40,760 Speaker 1: be organized. I hate being late for anything, and I 47 00:02:40,800 --> 00:02:44,239 Speaker 1: hate other people being late because that throws your routine out. 48 00:02:44,760 --> 00:02:50,800 Speaker 1: So routine at night is that basically, head off to 49 00:02:50,840 --> 00:02:54,959 Speaker 1: bed at a at a round eight o'clock quarter past eight, 50 00:02:56,400 --> 00:02:59,440 Speaker 1: get my clothes out for the following morning, so I 51 00:02:59,480 --> 00:03:03,880 Speaker 1: don't need who need to think about it, and I 52 00:03:03,919 --> 00:03:07,640 Speaker 1: always go to bed and read. And that is sort 53 00:03:07,680 --> 00:03:10,640 Speaker 1: of that has almost become and it's a two each sword. 54 00:03:10,720 --> 00:03:13,160 Speaker 1: But the good part of the two each sword is 55 00:03:13,200 --> 00:03:17,400 Speaker 1: when I'm reading, my body almost says, okay, it's time 56 00:03:17,600 --> 00:03:21,680 Speaker 1: to relax and go to sleep. That's a problem when 57 00:03:21,720 --> 00:03:23,920 Speaker 1: you're on a plane and you decide to read a book, 58 00:03:23,919 --> 00:03:28,240 Speaker 1: because then you start getting really tired. So it's a 59 00:03:28,280 --> 00:03:30,840 Speaker 1: real sleep queue for me. 60 00:03:31,080 --> 00:03:32,960 Speaker 2: That's interesting. What sort of books does? Does it have 61 00:03:33,000 --> 00:03:34,560 Speaker 2: to be fiction or going to be non fiction? 62 00:03:35,440 --> 00:03:39,760 Speaker 1: It's mainly fiction and sort of escape us. I like 63 00:03:40,000 --> 00:03:44,520 Speaker 1: historical fiction, kind of gilgam type books, Lord of the 64 00:03:44,600 --> 00:03:48,560 Speaker 1: Rings type books. Just that because I read a lot 65 00:03:48,640 --> 00:03:54,360 Speaker 1: during the day and read a lot of news heavy stuff. 66 00:03:54,440 --> 00:03:56,520 Speaker 1: I just want to completely get away from that. 67 00:03:56,800 --> 00:03:58,880 Speaker 2: Just sewn out and you're laying out your clothes the 68 00:03:59,640 --> 00:04:02,800 Speaker 2: before and. 69 00:04:01,680 --> 00:04:04,680 Speaker 1: So you don't need to make a decision in the morning. Yeah. 70 00:04:04,760 --> 00:04:07,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, I've heard you talk about decision fatigue being a thing. 71 00:04:07,160 --> 00:04:09,320 Speaker 2: So it's reducing the amount of decisions that you have 72 00:04:09,360 --> 00:04:09,680 Speaker 2: to make. 73 00:04:09,840 --> 00:04:15,960 Speaker 1: That's right. And the morning routine is usually done in 74 00:04:16,000 --> 00:04:18,960 Speaker 1: a bit of a daze to start with, so you 75 00:04:19,000 --> 00:04:22,200 Speaker 1: don't want to think too much about it. And probably 76 00:04:22,279 --> 00:04:27,080 Speaker 1: the morning routine is the is the stricter. One get 77 00:04:27,160 --> 00:04:31,159 Speaker 1: up at three point forty seven exactly every morning, that's 78 00:04:31,160 --> 00:04:35,320 Speaker 1: when the alarm goes off. I have a about a 79 00:04:35,440 --> 00:04:39,000 Speaker 1: nine minute workout that I do that I can sort 80 00:04:39,000 --> 00:04:43,960 Speaker 1: of do anywhere, whether it's at home or on the road, 81 00:04:45,400 --> 00:04:51,440 Speaker 1: and I leave have all my clothes and I leave 82 00:04:53,279 --> 00:04:57,720 Speaker 1: the apartment basically within a minute every day and it's 83 00:04:57,760 --> 00:05:01,080 Speaker 1: only a short drive to the studio. I'm able to 84 00:05:01,120 --> 00:05:04,480 Speaker 1: do that and sort of the workout routine, get your 85 00:05:04,480 --> 00:05:09,520 Speaker 1: body moving, get your thinking clears, the haze, and it's 86 00:05:09,560 --> 00:05:12,839 Speaker 1: a really good way. Have a banana, drink a fair 87 00:05:12,880 --> 00:05:18,040 Speaker 1: bit of water and start the day and get moving. 88 00:05:18,320 --> 00:05:20,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, so three forty seven. I've heard you actually 89 00:05:20,400 --> 00:05:22,200 Speaker 2: have three alarms, Is that right? 90 00:05:22,240 --> 00:05:25,599 Speaker 1: I have three alarms. I've only I was asked to 91 00:05:25,600 --> 00:05:29,000 Speaker 1: do Sunrise for three months, to fill in for three months, 92 00:05:29,040 --> 00:05:32,000 Speaker 1: and that's almost seventeen years ago, so that's sort of 93 00:05:32,320 --> 00:05:34,240 Speaker 1: a bit of a hobby that's got out of control. 94 00:05:36,040 --> 00:05:39,679 Speaker 1: But I've only slept in once in that seventeen years. 95 00:05:39,880 --> 00:05:42,680 Speaker 1: I was scared of the living day. It just throws 96 00:05:42,680 --> 00:05:44,680 Speaker 1: your body out for the whole day. I thought I 97 00:05:44,680 --> 00:05:45,720 Speaker 1: could never do this again. 98 00:05:45,920 --> 00:05:48,839 Speaker 2: Was the producer calling you going where are you? 99 00:05:48,920 --> 00:05:50,919 Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, yeah, But I had my phone on do 100 00:05:51,040 --> 00:05:54,279 Speaker 1: not disturb, which I usually do sort of scheduled in 101 00:05:55,000 --> 00:05:58,440 Speaker 1: because it is amazing if you have if you have 102 00:05:58,480 --> 00:06:02,800 Speaker 1: a mobile number for a long time, it's amazing the 103 00:06:02,880 --> 00:06:05,720 Speaker 1: number of people who call your at nine or ten 104 00:06:05,760 --> 00:06:08,640 Speaker 1: o'clock and you're fast asleep, so you just don't want 105 00:06:08,640 --> 00:06:13,479 Speaker 1: to be disturbed. But now now smartphones have if it's 106 00:06:13,560 --> 00:06:16,920 Speaker 1: if it's in your favorites and they call twice, then 107 00:06:16,960 --> 00:06:18,880 Speaker 1: it gets through, so that's really good. So I have 108 00:06:19,360 --> 00:06:22,320 Speaker 1: a limited number of favorites that get through. So I 109 00:06:22,400 --> 00:06:28,000 Speaker 1: have an electronic alarm, and then I have a battery 110 00:06:28,080 --> 00:06:32,280 Speaker 1: backup on the side table and then I set my phone, 111 00:06:33,080 --> 00:06:35,960 Speaker 1: which I've actually got to get out of bed to 112 00:06:36,040 --> 00:06:39,080 Speaker 1: turn it off, and they're all five minutes apart. So 113 00:06:39,200 --> 00:06:42,480 Speaker 1: it's good. And I thought, I can sleep better at 114 00:06:42,560 --> 00:06:45,040 Speaker 1: night if you know a lot. There's no possibility that 115 00:06:45,080 --> 00:06:46,720 Speaker 1: you're got to miss the wake up. 116 00:06:47,160 --> 00:06:49,880 Speaker 2: I could imagine. And your nine minute workout, what are 117 00:06:49,880 --> 00:06:51,680 Speaker 2: you fitting into nine minutes? What does that look like? 118 00:06:52,400 --> 00:06:54,840 Speaker 1: I work out with a guy twice a week. It's 119 00:06:54,920 --> 00:06:59,599 Speaker 1: part of my schedule every Tuesday and Thursday from ten 120 00:06:59,680 --> 00:07:05,159 Speaker 1: to a. And I always thought personal trainers were sort 121 00:07:05,160 --> 00:07:12,200 Speaker 1: of for winkers until I started training to do Kilimanjaro 122 00:07:12,320 --> 00:07:18,000 Speaker 1: the first time and a local gym said, oh, we'll 123 00:07:18,040 --> 00:07:20,520 Speaker 1: give you a trainer to get you ready for it. 124 00:07:20,960 --> 00:07:27,960 Speaker 1: And I've been going to that same trainer now for 125 00:07:28,000 --> 00:07:31,120 Speaker 1: almost fifteen years, and I just kept going because I 126 00:07:31,160 --> 00:07:35,360 Speaker 1: couldn't believe the difference it made in me coping with 127 00:07:35,440 --> 00:07:38,920 Speaker 1: my hours and what I do during the work. 128 00:07:38,920 --> 00:07:39,360 Speaker 2: It just. 129 00:07:41,320 --> 00:07:43,760 Speaker 1: It was like finding God. It was amazing. You know 130 00:07:43,880 --> 00:07:46,760 Speaker 1: that you you just feel so much better and your 131 00:07:46,760 --> 00:07:49,880 Speaker 1: body moves so much better. So I build that into 132 00:07:49,920 --> 00:07:52,960 Speaker 1: my schedule, it's mainly resistance training with him twice a week, 133 00:07:53,000 --> 00:07:55,360 Speaker 1: and then I'd try and do a cardio session or 134 00:07:55,360 --> 00:07:56,800 Speaker 1: two by myself after that. 135 00:07:57,720 --> 00:08:00,000 Speaker 2: And did he design the nine minute workout for you? 136 00:08:00,000 --> 00:08:00,280 Speaker 1: Okay? 137 00:08:00,320 --> 00:08:01,720 Speaker 2: So what did he put in that? 138 00:08:02,080 --> 00:08:04,160 Speaker 1: The person who gave me the idea was Jack Dorsey 139 00:08:04,360 --> 00:08:04,880 Speaker 1: from Twitter. 140 00:08:05,040 --> 00:08:06,440 Speaker 2: From Twitter, Yeah, because. 141 00:08:06,200 --> 00:08:10,920 Speaker 1: I interviewed him at once and like, I get fascinated 142 00:08:10,960 --> 00:08:13,480 Speaker 1: with what makes people tick? And I said, how can 143 00:08:13,520 --> 00:08:16,920 Speaker 1: you cope with being a chief executive of not just 144 00:08:17,120 --> 00:08:22,640 Speaker 1: one billion dollar corporation in Twitter, but Square, which is 145 00:08:22,680 --> 00:08:27,560 Speaker 1: another billion dollar corporation. And he has this routine where 146 00:08:27,720 --> 00:08:31,680 Speaker 1: he meditates of the morning, he has a short workout himself. 147 00:08:32,280 --> 00:08:37,440 Speaker 1: He says is no fail routines, that there's no excuse 148 00:08:37,920 --> 00:08:41,079 Speaker 1: not to do them, and a routine that you can 149 00:08:41,120 --> 00:08:46,280 Speaker 1: do anywhere. And also he listens to podcasts while he's 150 00:08:46,360 --> 00:08:50,440 Speaker 1: walking to his first appointment or to the office. So 151 00:08:50,480 --> 00:08:54,280 Speaker 1: I thought about it, and I worked out a program 152 00:08:54,280 --> 00:08:57,360 Speaker 1: with this trainer I go to and it is all 153 00:08:57,400 --> 00:09:03,280 Speaker 1: about and for some on my age, it is getting 154 00:09:04,400 --> 00:09:12,520 Speaker 1: upper back, neck, all that posture stuff going well, knees, 155 00:09:12,880 --> 00:09:16,920 Speaker 1: lower body, So it's a whole it's a whole series 156 00:09:17,280 --> 00:09:23,960 Speaker 1: of movement exercises more than anything else, to stretch your 157 00:09:24,000 --> 00:09:27,160 Speaker 1: muscles and just get the body and shoulders and neck 158 00:09:27,240 --> 00:09:28,280 Speaker 1: and upper body. 159 00:09:28,040 --> 00:09:32,599 Speaker 2: And knees going that's great, gosh, he's nine minutes workouttually 160 00:09:32,640 --> 00:09:33,520 Speaker 2: there's an half in that. 161 00:09:33,600 --> 00:09:36,400 Speaker 1: Or something good, broad good, broath and what. 162 00:09:36,480 --> 00:09:39,440 Speaker 2: Happens when from when you get to the studio to 163 00:09:39,480 --> 00:09:40,959 Speaker 2: when you go to air at five point. 164 00:09:40,760 --> 00:09:47,360 Speaker 1: Thirty, it's sort of a continuous role. For example, it's 165 00:09:47,880 --> 00:09:53,800 Speaker 1: lunchtime that we're recording this. I've already had two preliminary 166 00:09:54,080 --> 00:10:02,840 Speaker 1: rundowns of a suggested format and potential segments and interviews 167 00:10:03,000 --> 00:10:06,560 Speaker 1: for tomorrow's show come through by the end of the day. 168 00:10:06,800 --> 00:10:11,000 Speaker 1: That will change in other six or seven times as 169 00:10:12,040 --> 00:10:16,080 Speaker 1: news stories develop and things come in. We have a 170 00:10:16,160 --> 00:10:20,679 Speaker 1: team of researchers and producers that send through briefing notes 171 00:10:20,760 --> 00:10:23,840 Speaker 1: for each of the segments, so you try and keep 172 00:10:23,880 --> 00:10:27,480 Speaker 1: on top of them during the day. So by the 173 00:10:27,559 --> 00:10:30,559 Speaker 1: time I go to bed, I've got a rough idea 174 00:10:30,880 --> 00:10:34,160 Speaker 1: of watching the show the next morning, and have usually 175 00:10:34,320 --> 00:10:36,960 Speaker 1: gone through the briefing notes attached to each of the segments. 176 00:10:37,600 --> 00:10:41,120 Speaker 1: But of course, so many things can happen overnight. So 177 00:10:41,240 --> 00:10:44,320 Speaker 1: when I get up, get into the studio in the morning, 178 00:10:44,559 --> 00:10:51,760 Speaker 1: talk to our line producer who's been there since two 179 00:10:52,240 --> 00:10:55,520 Speaker 1: They get given it too, So sunnarizes almost a twenty 180 00:10:55,559 --> 00:11:04,000 Speaker 1: four hour operation. Get a brief on what's changed again, 181 00:11:04,800 --> 00:11:07,520 Speaker 1: do the research on any of the stories that have changed, 182 00:11:08,200 --> 00:11:12,560 Speaker 1: go through the papers and online what's been happening overnight 183 00:11:13,080 --> 00:11:16,760 Speaker 1: or what the other media outlets are running through. Then 184 00:11:16,840 --> 00:11:19,199 Speaker 1: going to makeup, which is pretty quick for me because 185 00:11:19,200 --> 00:11:22,120 Speaker 1: I have no hair, So that's a four and a 186 00:11:22,160 --> 00:11:26,160 Speaker 1: half minute process, where the girls it's about an hour. 187 00:11:27,280 --> 00:11:30,800 Speaker 1: So that's the beauty of it. Being a bloke in TV, 188 00:11:30,960 --> 00:11:35,480 Speaker 1: you're a lot less maintenance than if you're a female 189 00:11:35,559 --> 00:11:38,360 Speaker 1: working on Yeah. 190 00:11:37,520 --> 00:11:40,040 Speaker 2: And so when you're going through the news in the morning, 191 00:11:40,040 --> 00:11:42,000 Speaker 2: and I imagine like during the day, what do your 192 00:11:42,160 --> 00:11:44,440 Speaker 2: go to news sources? 193 00:11:45,559 --> 00:11:52,040 Speaker 1: I've got a fairly ecliptic range. Obviously the seven news 194 00:11:53,559 --> 00:11:56,280 Speaker 1: digital platforms seven news dot com dot are you but 195 00:11:57,720 --> 00:12:06,120 Speaker 1: News dot com, SMA, which follow CNN, Bloomberg, which is 196 00:12:06,160 --> 00:12:11,080 Speaker 1: pretty important for the financial My favorite magazine in the 197 00:12:11,120 --> 00:12:15,679 Speaker 1: world online is The Economist, and sort of I keep 198 00:12:15,720 --> 00:12:18,240 Speaker 1: up to date with The Economist as well. And then 199 00:12:20,080 --> 00:12:24,600 Speaker 1: at non financial law news Vanity Fair. I reckon Vanity 200 00:12:24,679 --> 00:12:28,520 Speaker 1: Fair is the best digital magazine in the will they 201 00:12:28,559 --> 00:12:31,079 Speaker 1: do it so well. I love it as a magazine. 202 00:12:31,360 --> 00:12:35,960 Speaker 1: But that's away from news and business and finances. 203 00:12:36,160 --> 00:12:40,440 Speaker 2: Yeah right wow, and like aside from from the hours. 204 00:12:40,440 --> 00:12:42,640 Speaker 2: And I guess you know, being a shift worker, that's 205 00:12:42,640 --> 00:12:45,160 Speaker 2: what you describe yourself as being. What's the hardest thing 206 00:12:45,200 --> 00:12:46,440 Speaker 2: about doing breakfast TV? 207 00:12:47,880 --> 00:12:53,959 Speaker 1: Hardest thing is middle of winter when the alarm goes off, 208 00:12:54,320 --> 00:12:57,440 Speaker 1: when well it's always dark, when the alarm goes off, 209 00:12:57,480 --> 00:13:00,880 Speaker 1: whether it's no matter what season it is, but when 210 00:13:00,920 --> 00:13:05,240 Speaker 1: it's a bit cold, and Tuesday mornings are the worst. 211 00:13:05,240 --> 00:13:10,800 Speaker 1: But I reckon Tuesday. Tuesday is such a nothing day. Monday, 212 00:13:11,200 --> 00:13:15,199 Speaker 1: you're starting the week back into it. You've had some 213 00:13:15,440 --> 00:13:19,920 Speaker 1: decent sleep over the weekend. Wednesday is the middle of 214 00:13:19,920 --> 00:13:23,319 Speaker 1: the week and you go broken the back of the week. 215 00:13:24,120 --> 00:13:28,040 Speaker 1: It's great. Thursday and Friday is a cruising the end 216 00:13:28,040 --> 00:13:31,360 Speaker 1: of the weekend. And what's Tuesday stand for nothing? I 217 00:13:31,400 --> 00:13:34,000 Speaker 1: reckon Tuesday is the most overrated day of the week. 218 00:13:35,640 --> 00:13:39,560 Speaker 1: So probably the middle of winter and Tuesday is probably 219 00:13:39,679 --> 00:13:47,960 Speaker 1: the hardest. But I just I've always loved sunrise. If 220 00:13:48,040 --> 00:13:53,640 Speaker 1: you love people and meeting people and understanding what makes 221 00:13:53,720 --> 00:13:58,600 Speaker 1: them tech. There's no better show. You meet so many 222 00:13:58,640 --> 00:14:05,079 Speaker 1: people doing extraordinary things or doing it tough or coping 223 00:14:05,080 --> 00:14:06,080 Speaker 1: with different issues. 224 00:14:06,760 --> 00:14:08,480 Speaker 2: I could imagine it would be amazing all the people 225 00:14:08,520 --> 00:14:11,480 Speaker 2: you get to meet an interview. What's your approach to 226 00:14:12,520 --> 00:14:15,600 Speaker 2: preparing for like a really big interview where maybe I 227 00:14:15,600 --> 00:14:17,839 Speaker 2: don't know, you're feeling a bit nervous. Do you get 228 00:14:17,840 --> 00:14:18,520 Speaker 2: nervous prepared? 229 00:14:19,040 --> 00:14:22,440 Speaker 1: You always get nervous before big interviews because obviously you 230 00:14:22,480 --> 00:14:26,400 Speaker 1: don't you don't want to look an idiot. And in 231 00:14:26,640 --> 00:14:33,000 Speaker 1: this day and age with social media, if you take 232 00:14:33,040 --> 00:14:37,440 Speaker 1: a misstep or you express something badly, people come down 233 00:14:37,480 --> 00:14:40,520 Speaker 1: on your life like a ton of bricks. So that 234 00:14:41,080 --> 00:14:42,600 Speaker 1: adds a bit to it because you don't want to 235 00:14:42,640 --> 00:14:47,680 Speaker 1: be embarrassed about whatever you do. So it's just being 236 00:14:47,920 --> 00:14:51,720 Speaker 1: prepared on knowing the background of the person and also 237 00:14:52,920 --> 00:14:59,760 Speaker 1: I like finding out how they grew up, their family, 238 00:14:59,800 --> 00:15:05,040 Speaker 1: se situation, what they're passionate about, rather than maybe white 239 00:15:05,360 --> 00:15:07,920 Speaker 1: they're on a program. A lot of people are really 240 00:15:07,920 --> 00:15:12,640 Speaker 1: well media trained, particularly personalities and people in the public eye, 241 00:15:12,840 --> 00:15:16,280 Speaker 1: and you want to get behind that media training and 242 00:15:17,120 --> 00:15:21,680 Speaker 1: get behind the sort of facade they put up and 243 00:15:22,000 --> 00:15:25,800 Speaker 1: find out what they're really like. If I can't figure 244 00:15:25,800 --> 00:15:32,560 Speaker 1: somebody out, I always ask them about their upbringing, relationship 245 00:15:32,720 --> 00:15:36,760 Speaker 1: with brothers and sisters, mom and dad, what they did, 246 00:15:37,800 --> 00:15:41,040 Speaker 1: and I can usually get a better handle on them 247 00:15:41,560 --> 00:15:45,160 Speaker 1: from their answer, because I reckon, it doesn't matter whether 248 00:15:45,200 --> 00:15:49,240 Speaker 1: you're eighteen or eighty. You are a product of your 249 00:15:49,240 --> 00:15:52,480 Speaker 1: family upbringing and you never ever lose it. You can 250 00:15:52,560 --> 00:15:56,400 Speaker 1: think you can, and you can pretend that you're a 251 00:15:56,400 --> 00:16:00,840 Speaker 1: different person, but you never are. That's what I always 252 00:16:00,880 --> 00:16:01,160 Speaker 1: go to. 253 00:16:01,920 --> 00:16:05,480 Speaker 2: And what are your strategies for? I mean, I encounter 254 00:16:05,520 --> 00:16:09,240 Speaker 2: it on this podcast more than I would like. Where 255 00:16:09,960 --> 00:16:13,320 Speaker 2: you're asking a question, the person's had media training and 256 00:16:13,320 --> 00:16:16,080 Speaker 2: they're just asking answering whatever question is that they want 257 00:16:16,120 --> 00:16:18,520 Speaker 2: to answer. How do you get through that kind of 258 00:16:18,520 --> 00:16:19,600 Speaker 2: back go on. 259 00:16:19,560 --> 00:16:23,840 Speaker 1: A tangent somewhere else that they have And this is 260 00:16:23,880 --> 00:16:27,360 Speaker 1: where knowing their background I think comes in. We had 261 00:16:27,960 --> 00:16:32,000 Speaker 1: Charlie XCX as an example on Sunrise the other day. Now, 262 00:16:32,240 --> 00:16:37,080 Speaker 1: I'm not her demographic and you know, she's big, My 263 00:16:37,640 --> 00:16:41,680 Speaker 1: kids love all that sort of stuff, and she was 264 00:16:42,600 --> 00:16:46,360 Speaker 1: and it was an okay interview but nothing special and 265 00:16:46,760 --> 00:16:52,840 Speaker 1: her new album cover is a bit racy. It's a 266 00:16:52,960 --> 00:16:57,000 Speaker 1: nude photo of her. She's talking about that and I said, well, 267 00:16:57,000 --> 00:17:02,280 Speaker 1: what do your mom think of that, knowing her mum's 268 00:17:02,280 --> 00:17:05,840 Speaker 1: cultural background as well, and she went, well, well, I 269 00:17:05,880 --> 00:17:07,760 Speaker 1: had to bring her up beforehand. I was a bit 270 00:17:07,800 --> 00:17:11,119 Speaker 1: embarrassed and nervous to caller. And that sort of showed 271 00:17:11,160 --> 00:17:15,480 Speaker 1: the humanity at the human side of her and almost 272 00:17:15,600 --> 00:17:19,920 Speaker 1: the frailty of it, because it doesn't matter how big 273 00:17:19,960 --> 00:17:23,159 Speaker 1: you are or how public your profile, you are just 274 00:17:23,200 --> 00:17:27,159 Speaker 1: a normal human being, and you know you have a 275 00:17:27,200 --> 00:17:31,399 Speaker 1: complex relationship with your family or your parents, and you 276 00:17:31,480 --> 00:17:34,959 Speaker 1: know the same things happen to people in the public 277 00:17:34,960 --> 00:17:38,119 Speaker 1: eye as they do normal people. They struggle with different 278 00:17:38,119 --> 00:17:42,840 Speaker 1: issues and emotional issues. And she said, well, you know 279 00:17:43,480 --> 00:17:47,439 Speaker 1: it was a bit tricky, and I said, because she 280 00:17:47,520 --> 00:17:49,920 Speaker 1: and your dad linked you at the money to record 281 00:17:49,960 --> 00:17:52,080 Speaker 1: your first album, didn't they have you paid them back? 282 00:17:52,480 --> 00:17:55,359 Speaker 1: And she went, oh, oh, how did you it? Well, 283 00:17:56,520 --> 00:17:59,399 Speaker 1: well no I haven't. I said, well that's not a 284 00:17:59,520 --> 00:18:02,639 Speaker 1: very very good drawnism and stuff like that, and so 285 00:18:03,080 --> 00:18:09,840 Speaker 1: it sort of brought down that that wall of media 286 00:18:09,880 --> 00:18:14,160 Speaker 1: trade and made like anybody else who hasn't borrowed money 287 00:18:14,200 --> 00:18:17,959 Speaker 1: from their parents, and parents haven't helped them out, so 288 00:18:18,280 --> 00:18:20,520 Speaker 1: it's it's to try and be a bit human. 289 00:18:20,800 --> 00:18:23,639 Speaker 2: That's great. What else are you doing, like to create 290 00:18:23,680 --> 00:18:25,480 Speaker 2: a great interview This. 291 00:18:25,480 --> 00:18:31,880 Speaker 1: Will sound funny, but not being over professional yourself by 292 00:18:31,920 --> 00:18:35,280 Speaker 1: being normal but not pretending to be somebody that you're 293 00:18:35,280 --> 00:18:41,600 Speaker 1: not not pretending to be some interviewer that you admire 294 00:18:41,720 --> 00:18:44,639 Speaker 1: and go, well, I'm going to interview people just like this. 295 00:18:45,080 --> 00:18:50,840 Speaker 1: It is. It is just being yourself and being approachable 296 00:18:51,400 --> 00:18:55,920 Speaker 1: and being true to yourself, I think, and a lot 297 00:18:55,960 --> 00:18:59,359 Speaker 1: of it comes. I think that from the vibe that 298 00:18:59,400 --> 00:19:04,080 Speaker 1: you give out to be welcoming and just a normal person. 299 00:19:04,200 --> 00:19:08,440 Speaker 1: It's a conversation between two normal human beings and somebody's 300 00:19:08,520 --> 00:19:10,320 Speaker 1: really fascinated about the other person. 301 00:19:10,920 --> 00:19:13,560 Speaker 2: What are you doing then, like before the cameras start 302 00:19:13,680 --> 00:19:17,399 Speaker 2: rolling to portray that I'm just a normal interviewing you 303 00:19:17,520 --> 00:19:18,679 Speaker 2: and building that report. 304 00:19:19,320 --> 00:19:27,720 Speaker 1: Well, sometimes you don't get anytime whatsoever. That three and 305 00:19:27,960 --> 00:19:33,840 Speaker 1: three quarter hours on air is a madhouse because during 306 00:19:33,880 --> 00:19:39,040 Speaker 1: commercial breaks we're being briefed on any changes to what's 307 00:19:39,040 --> 00:19:44,440 Speaker 1: coming up. We're actually pre recording openers during commercial break. 308 00:19:44,720 --> 00:19:48,320 Speaker 1: For example, we will we will do the five to 309 00:19:48,480 --> 00:19:53,600 Speaker 1: thirty opener and we record that at five eighteen just 310 00:19:53,640 --> 00:19:55,639 Speaker 1: before we go to air, but then we'll do it 311 00:19:55,680 --> 00:19:59,240 Speaker 1: again at five point fifty for six PM. We'll recall 312 00:19:59,560 --> 00:20:05,360 Speaker 1: for six, will record the seven am opener at six 313 00:20:05,400 --> 00:20:09,639 Speaker 1: point twenty five during the commercial break there and a 314 00:20:09,680 --> 00:20:13,960 Speaker 1: lot of commercial breaks is banter with the team to 315 00:20:14,040 --> 00:20:16,159 Speaker 1: keep the energy up three and to record everyone that 316 00:20:16,240 --> 00:20:18,680 Speaker 1: sits at home and go, ah, you're just talking CRAF 317 00:20:18,760 --> 00:20:21,520 Speaker 1: for three and how good is that? Just a conversation. 318 00:20:22,480 --> 00:20:25,800 Speaker 1: It is quite draining and you've always got to be 319 00:20:25,960 --> 00:20:31,520 Speaker 1: up positive with the energy. So during commercial breaks, it's 320 00:20:32,119 --> 00:20:35,440 Speaker 1: keeping that energy going together as a team, and that's 321 00:20:36,280 --> 00:20:41,400 Speaker 1: that's a key. And sometimes with a big interview, we'll 322 00:20:41,400 --> 00:20:45,600 Speaker 1: be recording something during the break, we'll sit down at 323 00:20:45,640 --> 00:20:49,439 Speaker 1: the desk or the soft set, we'll do the intro 324 00:20:50,040 --> 00:20:55,199 Speaker 1: to the segment. It'll usually then have a package on 325 00:20:55,280 --> 00:20:58,919 Speaker 1: the background of the guest, which will usually go for 326 00:20:58,960 --> 00:21:01,879 Speaker 1: a minute during that in it, they will come in 327 00:21:01,920 --> 00:21:05,360 Speaker 1: and sit on the set, so you only have time 328 00:21:05,400 --> 00:21:10,119 Speaker 1: to say good A'm David, nice see you and Sam 329 00:21:10,200 --> 00:21:14,760 Speaker 1: does the same and have a thirty second chat and 330 00:21:14,800 --> 00:21:20,040 Speaker 1: then you're on live. So it you're sort of almost 331 00:21:20,560 --> 00:21:22,840 Speaker 1: got to build the rapport on air. Now, if you 332 00:21:22,880 --> 00:21:29,320 Speaker 1: go for a pre recorded segment where you go out 333 00:21:29,359 --> 00:21:34,360 Speaker 1: on location to interview a movie star at their hotel 334 00:21:34,480 --> 00:21:38,439 Speaker 1: or whatever, it's still a bit of a production line 335 00:21:39,640 --> 00:21:44,000 Speaker 1: like out of notting Hill. You know, that's exactly what happened. 336 00:21:44,119 --> 00:21:47,720 Speaker 1: What happens you're shundered in seven minutes to talk woman go, 337 00:21:49,160 --> 00:21:51,040 Speaker 1: But at least you have a bit more time in 338 00:21:51,080 --> 00:21:53,920 Speaker 1: the lead up to the interviewers there. They're setting up 339 00:21:53,960 --> 00:21:56,640 Speaker 1: to build some sort of rapport. 340 00:21:56,920 --> 00:21:58,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, I want to come back to what you're saying 341 00:21:58,560 --> 00:22:00,720 Speaker 2: about just keeping those energy level up for that three 342 00:22:00,720 --> 00:22:03,400 Speaker 2: and three quarter hours. What strategies are you using there? 343 00:22:04,000 --> 00:22:10,800 Speaker 1: It is constantly chatting. So that's the great thing about 344 00:22:10,840 --> 00:22:15,240 Speaker 1: working on Sunrise because you can have the work worst 345 00:22:15,240 --> 00:22:19,040 Speaker 1: start to the day. It can be flaming cold, it 346 00:22:19,040 --> 00:22:23,720 Speaker 1: could be a Tuesday morning, and as soon as you 347 00:22:23,760 --> 00:22:28,920 Speaker 1: sit down on set, you feed off everybody else's energy. 348 00:22:29,080 --> 00:22:31,199 Speaker 1: And because the four of us have been working on 349 00:22:31,240 --> 00:22:36,080 Speaker 1: the desk so long together and our floor crew are 350 00:22:36,200 --> 00:22:40,480 Speaker 1: such an important part of that, we just talk shit 351 00:22:40,560 --> 00:22:42,720 Speaker 1: with each other during commercial break, so it will take 352 00:22:42,760 --> 00:22:46,600 Speaker 1: the mickey or rip each other or whatever, and be 353 00:22:47,000 --> 00:22:52,200 Speaker 1: quite irreverent. And that's a really important part. You can't 354 00:22:52,720 --> 00:22:55,879 Speaker 1: get in a commercial break and go and do nothing, 355 00:22:55,880 --> 00:22:59,119 Speaker 1: a know, one talk because it's too hard to snap 356 00:22:59,160 --> 00:23:02,679 Speaker 1: out of it. You've just got That's why it gets 357 00:23:03,640 --> 00:23:07,520 Speaker 1: pretty tiring at the end of a show, because you've 358 00:23:07,560 --> 00:23:11,160 Speaker 1: been going for that long. And when lib my wife 359 00:23:11,240 --> 00:23:13,360 Speaker 1: says to me, ah, you know, you had so much 360 00:23:13,400 --> 00:23:17,879 Speaker 1: fun today, you know why you're so tired. You go, well, 361 00:23:18,720 --> 00:23:21,679 Speaker 1: you said, down and talk and kick the brain going 362 00:23:21,720 --> 00:23:24,520 Speaker 1: for three or three quarter hours and it does. It 363 00:23:24,560 --> 00:23:27,560 Speaker 1: does zap you a bit of energy. So from about 364 00:23:27,640 --> 00:23:30,439 Speaker 1: nine point thirty to ten thirty, I just try and 365 00:23:30,640 --> 00:23:37,520 Speaker 1: slow my pace down, really not booking it two days 366 00:23:37,840 --> 00:23:40,400 Speaker 1: I'll go to the gym, but I'll try and make 367 00:23:40,480 --> 00:23:45,119 Speaker 1: that hour after the show a bit of I know 368 00:23:45,680 --> 00:23:49,760 Speaker 1: it sounds a bit self absorbed, but sort of me 369 00:23:49,920 --> 00:23:53,560 Speaker 1: time where I'll just if I don't want to do anything, 370 00:23:53,560 --> 00:23:57,040 Speaker 1: i won't do anything. I'll just cruise three emails or 371 00:23:57,800 --> 00:24:00,920 Speaker 1: just slow my pace down or go to the gym 372 00:24:01,359 --> 00:24:04,000 Speaker 1: just to sort of recoup and then go again. 373 00:24:04,560 --> 00:24:06,720 Speaker 2: That's lovely. I want to come back to that, this idea. 374 00:24:06,800 --> 00:24:09,520 Speaker 2: So I've read that you usort of think about compartmentalizing 375 00:24:09,560 --> 00:24:12,760 Speaker 2: your life in terms of work, family, in me time. 376 00:24:14,119 --> 00:24:15,959 Speaker 2: But I'm also curious, like, one of the things that 377 00:24:16,000 --> 00:24:19,600 Speaker 2: strikes me about doing almost four hours of live TV 378 00:24:20,160 --> 00:24:23,439 Speaker 2: every morning is that most people in most jobs can 379 00:24:23,520 --> 00:24:26,320 Speaker 2: afford to just kind of multitask their way through the 380 00:24:26,480 --> 00:24:29,800 Speaker 2: day and sort of be half focused. But you don't 381 00:24:29,840 --> 00:24:33,000 Speaker 2: have that luxury, And I feel like that's such an 382 00:24:33,080 --> 00:24:34,320 Speaker 2: interesting part of what you do. 383 00:24:34,520 --> 00:24:37,399 Speaker 1: And you might your energy, you know, again on a 384 00:24:37,440 --> 00:24:40,440 Speaker 1: Tuesday in the middle of window and you'll go, ah, 385 00:24:40,520 --> 00:24:42,800 Speaker 1: im just going to cruise through today. You know, I 386 00:24:43,080 --> 00:24:46,679 Speaker 1: just don't have the energy to do anything out of 387 00:24:46,720 --> 00:24:53,600 Speaker 1: the ordinary. And invariably, more often than not, something will 388 00:24:53,640 --> 00:25:01,960 Speaker 1: break overseas and we all have to go commercial free 389 00:25:02,200 --> 00:25:05,240 Speaker 1: live until midday, and you just making it up on 390 00:25:05,280 --> 00:25:08,560 Speaker 1: the way. There could be a bombing overseas or mass 391 00:25:08,560 --> 00:25:15,160 Speaker 1: shooting or you know something, and all of the format 392 00:25:15,240 --> 00:25:19,240 Speaker 1: of the show was thrown out and you just work 393 00:25:19,320 --> 00:25:25,000 Speaker 1: to pictures that are coming in from overseas and almost 394 00:25:25,680 --> 00:25:29,200 Speaker 1: make it up as you go. And invariably on those 395 00:25:29,320 --> 00:25:32,080 Speaker 1: days where you go, you know, I'm just going to 396 00:25:32,160 --> 00:25:34,480 Speaker 1: read the other day, kid, I'm not going to go 397 00:25:34,640 --> 00:25:37,439 Speaker 1: away for I'm not going to do anything because I 398 00:25:37,520 --> 00:25:41,040 Speaker 1: just don't feel that God boom don't happen, and you 399 00:25:41,160 --> 00:25:45,919 Speaker 1: go into absolutely overdrive and often they turn out to 400 00:25:45,920 --> 00:25:48,400 Speaker 1: be the really best start is that you can have 401 00:25:48,920 --> 00:25:50,680 Speaker 1: because it's so unpredictable. Yeah. 402 00:25:50,680 --> 00:25:52,640 Speaker 2: Are you just running on adrenaline on those days? 403 00:25:52,680 --> 00:25:57,040 Speaker 1: Yeah? And then you really do fall in a heap 404 00:25:57,080 --> 00:25:59,040 Speaker 1: at the end of the show. You just want to 405 00:25:59,080 --> 00:26:04,879 Speaker 1: go and have a long runs a couple. Yeah, That's 406 00:26:05,400 --> 00:26:09,240 Speaker 1: that's the beauty of doing SUNDA, right. That's why I 407 00:26:09,359 --> 00:26:12,399 Speaker 1: never tire of it. It's a privilege to do it, 408 00:26:12,600 --> 00:26:16,640 Speaker 1: and I know when I stopped doing it, I'll miss 409 00:26:16,640 --> 00:26:17,520 Speaker 1: it enormously. 410 00:26:18,080 --> 00:26:20,960 Speaker 2: I'm curious about the impact that it has on essentially 411 00:26:20,960 --> 00:26:25,359 Speaker 2: the other two jobs that you've got. So you're essentially 412 00:26:25,480 --> 00:26:27,320 Speaker 2: running your chair of pinstrip Media. 413 00:26:27,520 --> 00:26:31,160 Speaker 1: You're the chair of my family business. I've always had 414 00:26:31,160 --> 00:26:34,600 Speaker 1: my family business and it's been going in different guises 415 00:26:34,640 --> 00:26:36,720 Speaker 1: for about thirty years, and I love it. I've never 416 00:26:36,760 --> 00:26:39,680 Speaker 1: trusted TV for a living, so I've always had If 417 00:26:39,680 --> 00:26:43,719 Speaker 1: you're like a side hustle, pinstripes my side hustle. But 418 00:26:44,200 --> 00:26:47,320 Speaker 1: I have kids old enough out to a family business. 419 00:26:47,359 --> 00:26:49,880 Speaker 1: Couple of kids work in it and it's one of 420 00:26:49,920 --> 00:26:53,280 Speaker 1: the great joys of my life is to be able 421 00:26:53,320 --> 00:26:56,000 Speaker 1: to work with my kids. It's a business that's focused 422 00:26:56,040 --> 00:27:00,320 Speaker 1: on content and education for small business owners and in 423 00:27:00,359 --> 00:27:03,800 Speaker 1: the personal finance space, which are my two loves and 424 00:27:04,320 --> 00:27:08,080 Speaker 1: what I started as as a journal business and personal 425 00:27:08,080 --> 00:27:13,639 Speaker 1: finance journalists and commentators. One of our platforms is Startup Daily, 426 00:27:13,760 --> 00:27:19,520 Speaker 1: which is the sort of daily bible for that startup tech, innovation, 427 00:27:19,680 --> 00:27:26,119 Speaker 1: venture capital and you know, some of these founders, Australian founders, 428 00:27:26,280 --> 00:27:30,240 Speaker 1: just extraordinary and so that inspires me. And then port 429 00:27:30,240 --> 00:27:34,040 Speaker 1: Adelaide is if you like my community job. It's a 430 00:27:34,119 --> 00:27:38,600 Speaker 1: volunteer job being a president of an AFL club and 431 00:27:38,600 --> 00:27:40,800 Speaker 1: my dad used to play for them, so it's an 432 00:27:40,800 --> 00:27:45,560 Speaker 1: emotional family thing to do. Sort of. When they asked 433 00:27:45,560 --> 00:27:49,479 Speaker 1: me to be president, I sort of had this spiel 434 00:27:49,720 --> 00:27:52,320 Speaker 1: sorted out for lib and I went home and said, look, 435 00:27:52,359 --> 00:27:56,800 Speaker 1: it's going to remind people that I'm because Port Adelais 436 00:27:56,800 --> 00:27:59,040 Speaker 1: we're in a fair bit of financial trouble at that stage. 437 00:27:59,040 --> 00:28:02,440 Speaker 1: It's going to remind people I'm not justice. I breakfast 438 00:28:02,440 --> 00:28:04,880 Speaker 1: show hosts and I have a business background. Be good 439 00:28:04,920 --> 00:28:08,399 Speaker 1: for my brand and as partners invariably do because they 440 00:28:08,480 --> 00:28:10,679 Speaker 1: can read you like a book. Looked me straight in 441 00:28:10,680 --> 00:28:12,520 Speaker 1: the eye and said, you're only doing it because your 442 00:28:12,560 --> 00:28:15,040 Speaker 1: father would have wanted you to, and he died about 443 00:28:15,080 --> 00:28:17,760 Speaker 1: three years earlier, and she was absolutely right. 444 00:28:18,359 --> 00:28:21,280 Speaker 2: I'm curious as to how I guess the experience of 445 00:28:21,680 --> 00:28:26,320 Speaker 2: doing the almost four hours live every morning and just 446 00:28:26,359 --> 00:28:30,320 Speaker 2: that style of work and being ultra present, but also 447 00:28:30,560 --> 00:28:33,240 Speaker 2: like having that be I guess take a lot of energy. 448 00:28:33,359 --> 00:28:35,919 Speaker 2: How does that impact like your working style or the 449 00:28:35,920 --> 00:28:38,680 Speaker 2: way that you approach these these other two I guess 450 00:28:38,720 --> 00:28:39,800 Speaker 2: has that you wear for work? 451 00:28:40,160 --> 00:28:44,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, it certainly. It's a secret of trying to keep 452 00:28:44,160 --> 00:28:46,760 Speaker 1: fit and looking after yourself. You've got to be really 453 00:28:46,760 --> 00:28:50,960 Speaker 1: disciplined during the week. So during the week, I don't dream. 454 00:28:51,280 --> 00:28:53,880 Speaker 1: I go to bed strictly at eight o'clock, get up 455 00:28:53,880 --> 00:28:57,160 Speaker 1: at three forty seven, so by the time I read 456 00:28:57,200 --> 00:29:00,920 Speaker 1: my book, I'm probably asleep around eight thirty cord to nine. 457 00:29:01,440 --> 00:29:04,720 Speaker 1: So and you just don't break that during the week. 458 00:29:04,760 --> 00:29:07,680 Speaker 1: You can't you don't go out. You can't say, oh, 459 00:29:08,720 --> 00:29:10,960 Speaker 1: you know, I'll start up or watch a TV show 460 00:29:11,200 --> 00:29:14,000 Speaker 1: or somebody wants drinks or dinner. During the week, Tuesday night. 461 00:29:14,040 --> 00:29:16,840 Speaker 1: You probably can or you can cause you can get 462 00:29:16,840 --> 00:29:20,800 Speaker 1: through an adrenaline on a Friday. But I get I 463 00:29:20,840 --> 00:29:23,920 Speaker 1: am really disciplined about it to try and keep energy 464 00:29:24,640 --> 00:29:28,560 Speaker 1: levels up, so and building that MEE time at the 465 00:29:28,600 --> 00:29:35,560 Speaker 1: gym is a way of of almost differentiating between sunrise 466 00:29:35,720 --> 00:29:39,320 Speaker 1: and then the family business and I get in here. 467 00:29:40,560 --> 00:29:44,280 Speaker 1: You know, on gym days, I'll get here about eleven 468 00:29:44,400 --> 00:29:47,920 Speaker 1: thirty four to twelve and then go through till five 469 00:29:48,080 --> 00:29:51,040 Speaker 1: or so. But it's the secret is having a really 470 00:29:51,080 --> 00:29:58,000 Speaker 1: good team here. And now I'm not a great details person, 471 00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:02,040 Speaker 1: but I've got good details people around me. 472 00:30:02,200 --> 00:30:05,480 Speaker 2: So you're a process driven person, not that much into 473 00:30:05,480 --> 00:30:08,120 Speaker 2: the details. What are some other processes that you have 474 00:30:08,240 --> 00:30:09,200 Speaker 2: that serve you well. 475 00:30:09,600 --> 00:30:16,480 Speaker 1: Calendar is really an important process. For example, with port Adelaide, 476 00:30:16,680 --> 00:30:22,800 Speaker 1: it is yes, I'm available at any time if something's 477 00:30:22,840 --> 00:30:27,920 Speaker 1: going on. I take I don't believe I should be 478 00:30:28,200 --> 00:30:31,400 Speaker 1: presidents get involved day to day. It should really be 479 00:30:31,440 --> 00:30:35,960 Speaker 1: setting direction, strategy, getting the piece of people working for it. 480 00:30:36,120 --> 00:30:41,160 Speaker 1: But Tuesday and Thursday at flight thirty, I have a 481 00:30:41,160 --> 00:30:47,040 Speaker 1: conference call the chief executive and deputy chairperson and another 482 00:30:47,080 --> 00:30:51,320 Speaker 1: director and that and on the weekends we catch up 483 00:30:51,360 --> 00:31:01,240 Speaker 1: a game, so again compartmentalizing so that interaction isn't random necessarily. 484 00:31:01,840 --> 00:31:04,440 Speaker 2: Yes, So having that kind of routine about your week 485 00:31:04,560 --> 00:31:08,400 Speaker 2: exactly right. Do you like with things like email and Slack? 486 00:31:08,560 --> 00:31:11,760 Speaker 2: Do you check them sort of at random periods during 487 00:31:11,800 --> 00:31:14,160 Speaker 2: the day or being the process driven person that you are, like, 488 00:31:14,160 --> 00:31:16,640 Speaker 2: are you watching that? How's that looking in it? 489 00:31:17,080 --> 00:31:20,960 Speaker 1: I batch it as much as I can so you 490 00:31:21,000 --> 00:31:27,920 Speaker 1: don't get distracted. And the problem with technology is access 491 00:31:28,600 --> 00:31:31,600 Speaker 1: to you. And because I have so many hats, I 492 00:31:31,640 --> 00:31:39,880 Speaker 1: often fall into the Marta syndrome where you go, everyone 493 00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:42,160 Speaker 1: just wants a piece of me, and you know that 494 00:31:42,280 --> 00:31:45,960 Speaker 1: sort of thing, and you you grizzled yourself and grumble, 495 00:31:47,920 --> 00:31:52,160 Speaker 1: but you you actually control it. And what I find 496 00:31:52,320 --> 00:31:56,320 Speaker 1: is that that people let technology control them. I had 497 00:31:56,360 --> 00:32:02,240 Speaker 1: a situation yesterday where my sister just set me a 498 00:32:02,320 --> 00:32:07,960 Speaker 1: random comment on our WhatsApp chat thing. And I'm really 499 00:32:07,960 --> 00:32:11,360 Speaker 1: close to my sister and brother and we're talking on 500 00:32:11,440 --> 00:32:13,880 Speaker 1: Sunday at a big family function about she's got to 501 00:32:13,880 --> 00:32:17,960 Speaker 1: come to a game in Adelaide next season, bring a 502 00:32:17,960 --> 00:32:20,840 Speaker 1: adult kids, and we'll go back and show them where 503 00:32:20,880 --> 00:32:23,200 Speaker 1: we grow up and all that sort of stuff. And 504 00:32:23,760 --> 00:32:26,960 Speaker 1: she said a whatsapped saying great to catch up, really 505 00:32:26,960 --> 00:32:29,880 Speaker 1: looking forward to organizing next year. I thought, oh, that's 506 00:32:29,920 --> 00:32:33,480 Speaker 1: really good, and then two hours later a couple of 507 00:32:33,520 --> 00:32:37,320 Speaker 1: question marks come back. I go, what the hell's the 508 00:32:37,400 --> 00:32:40,840 Speaker 1: question marks? Well, you didn't answer, so I didn't think 509 00:32:40,840 --> 00:32:43,640 Speaker 1: I needed to answer. It was something for next year. 510 00:32:45,040 --> 00:32:53,440 Speaker 1: But people expect, people expect, through technology, you to fit 511 00:32:53,520 --> 00:32:59,040 Speaker 1: into their timeline and process, and I get a bit 512 00:32:59,080 --> 00:33:01,880 Speaker 1: selfish about it. I I'll batch it, I'll get back 513 00:33:01,880 --> 00:33:03,280 Speaker 1: to you, but it doesn't have to be in five 514 00:33:03,360 --> 00:33:06,840 Speaker 1: or ten minutes or fifteen minutes because I've got other 515 00:33:06,880 --> 00:33:07,480 Speaker 1: things to do. 516 00:33:07,680 --> 00:33:09,920 Speaker 2: I think that's great. I find for myself if I 517 00:33:09,960 --> 00:33:12,920 Speaker 2: try to batch where possible. But I find if I'm 518 00:33:12,920 --> 00:33:15,040 Speaker 2: not having a batching day and I happen to, like 519 00:33:15,120 --> 00:33:19,000 Speaker 2: have notifications not switched off, I feel this huge guilt 520 00:33:19,000 --> 00:33:22,400 Speaker 2: when I don't respond immediately. Patching fixes that. 521 00:33:22,480 --> 00:33:26,920 Speaker 1: But people put that guilt on you because they're expecting 522 00:33:26,960 --> 00:33:29,520 Speaker 1: an immediate response. And you go, well, you might have 523 00:33:29,600 --> 00:33:32,160 Speaker 1: downtime and not be busy at the moment, but I am. 524 00:33:32,440 --> 00:33:35,760 Speaker 1: And that's what technology is about. You don't It's not 525 00:33:35,880 --> 00:33:40,440 Speaker 1: a telephone conversation. It is just and sort of. I 526 00:33:40,560 --> 00:33:43,240 Speaker 1: text a lot as well, because I find that the 527 00:33:43,240 --> 00:33:47,760 Speaker 1: most efficient way to communicate rather rather than call, which 528 00:33:47,800 --> 00:33:50,959 Speaker 1: can take too long and talk about nothing. 529 00:33:51,360 --> 00:33:56,520 Speaker 2: Definitely. Now you mentioned that that, like, because you are 530 00:33:56,560 --> 00:33:58,800 Speaker 2: in the public eye're on TV almost every day of 531 00:33:58,840 --> 00:34:01,640 Speaker 2: the week, there's a lot of people that want like 532 00:34:02,120 --> 00:34:04,680 Speaker 2: a piece of you. Like, what, what do you find 533 00:34:05,000 --> 00:34:08,840 Speaker 2: most challenging about When you walk out of this building 534 00:34:08,840 --> 00:34:12,040 Speaker 2: here at Brangaru, people will recognize you on your root home, Like, 535 00:34:12,800 --> 00:34:14,000 Speaker 2: what's the most challenging about that. 536 00:34:14,040 --> 00:34:16,359 Speaker 1: I try and walk everywhere as well, which people think 537 00:34:16,960 --> 00:34:19,160 Speaker 1: is a bit stupid, but I try and get my 538 00:34:19,280 --> 00:34:25,279 Speaker 1: twelve thousand steps up. I try to go over a regiever. Yeah, 539 00:34:25,320 --> 00:34:30,959 Speaker 1: and I part my car. Where we live it's sort 540 00:34:31,000 --> 00:34:33,960 Speaker 1: of a bit on the route to the studio and 541 00:34:34,040 --> 00:34:39,520 Speaker 1: also the family business, so I partner car. It's twenty 542 00:34:39,560 --> 00:34:42,720 Speaker 1: minute walk there and back and all that sort of stuff. 543 00:34:42,760 --> 00:34:48,200 Speaker 1: So that's a good way of just building incidental exercise. 544 00:34:47,680 --> 00:34:50,480 Speaker 2: In How about social media, what's your approach? I was 545 00:34:50,520 --> 00:34:52,640 Speaker 2: looking at your twinter feed. I always like go into 546 00:34:52,680 --> 00:34:55,680 Speaker 2: guest social media accounts and see what's going on. You're 547 00:34:55,800 --> 00:34:58,280 Speaker 2: sort of retweeting a few things. What's what's your approach 548 00:34:58,360 --> 00:34:59,480 Speaker 2: to social media? 549 00:35:00,520 --> 00:35:05,879 Speaker 1: Don't let it control me. I control it. 550 00:35:05,920 --> 00:35:06,839 Speaker 2: And how do you do that? 551 00:35:07,320 --> 00:35:11,319 Speaker 1: Ah? Just avoiding and ignoring it at times. No, No, 552 00:35:11,400 --> 00:35:17,240 Speaker 1: it's really important. And look, I'm an older bike who 553 00:35:17,680 --> 00:35:24,160 Speaker 1: should be able to cope with sort of attention and 554 00:35:24,200 --> 00:35:27,360 Speaker 1: things like that. But social media can do your head in, 555 00:35:27,840 --> 00:35:32,759 Speaker 1: It can do my head in. It can impact who 556 00:35:32,800 --> 00:35:36,600 Speaker 1: you are and make you second guess what you say, 557 00:35:37,239 --> 00:35:39,279 Speaker 1: and then you're not being normal, you're not being real. 558 00:35:39,640 --> 00:35:50,520 Speaker 1: And it is this change in people's attitude of discussion. 559 00:35:50,680 --> 00:35:55,160 Speaker 1: You can never have a good discussion now, You've always 560 00:35:55,200 --> 00:36:01,320 Speaker 1: got to have it argument and people determined to change 561 00:36:01,360 --> 00:36:06,719 Speaker 1: your mind to agree with them. There is we've lost 562 00:36:06,800 --> 00:36:09,719 Speaker 1: the art of saying I respect what you're saying, but hey, 563 00:36:09,800 --> 00:36:13,439 Speaker 1: let's agree to disagree. That doesn't happen anymore and it's 564 00:36:13,480 --> 00:36:17,000 Speaker 1: a real shame. And I was at a function a 565 00:36:17,080 --> 00:36:21,799 Speaker 1: couple of weeks ago with some football supporters. Are about 566 00:36:21,840 --> 00:36:24,600 Speaker 1: two hundred and fifty there, and I was doing a 567 00:36:24,640 --> 00:36:27,960 Speaker 1: Q and A with them all. Got a good question 568 00:36:28,080 --> 00:36:30,640 Speaker 1: from one supporter saying what can we do to help 569 00:36:30,760 --> 00:36:35,440 Speaker 1: support the team? And I said, and give the blokes 570 00:36:36,320 --> 00:36:39,799 Speaker 1: sort of some space and don't get narky with them 571 00:36:39,800 --> 00:36:44,680 Speaker 1: on social media because players with their mind and someone 572 00:36:44,760 --> 00:36:48,279 Speaker 1: ylled out, ah, that's manby pambying them. You know, they 573 00:36:48,320 --> 00:36:51,160 Speaker 1: get paid enough, they get paid a lot of money 574 00:36:51,160 --> 00:36:53,319 Speaker 1: to cope with that, and I go, no, they're just 575 00:36:53,440 --> 00:36:56,120 Speaker 1: buffy twenty year old blokes. They just happened to be 576 00:36:56,160 --> 00:37:00,680 Speaker 1: good at football and elite athletes. And then they start 577 00:37:00,719 --> 00:37:04,200 Speaker 1: to argue back, and I said, look, you know, I'm 578 00:37:04,200 --> 00:37:06,400 Speaker 1: not going to change my mind. I appreciate what you're saying, 579 00:37:06,400 --> 00:37:10,680 Speaker 1: and you can have that point, but let's agree to disagree. 580 00:37:10,920 --> 00:37:15,000 Speaker 1: And then they kept going and I said, I'm telling it, 581 00:37:15,080 --> 00:37:18,320 Speaker 1: I'm not going to change my mind, but I understand 582 00:37:18,360 --> 00:37:20,600 Speaker 1: where you're coming from. You quite right to have that 583 00:37:21,800 --> 00:37:25,280 Speaker 1: and that point of view. And I think social media 584 00:37:25,640 --> 00:37:30,399 Speaker 1: is so vicious that it can it can change your 585 00:37:30,400 --> 00:37:33,839 Speaker 1: behavior and turn you into somebody that you're not and 586 00:37:33,880 --> 00:37:37,719 Speaker 1: you don't want to be. And that's how I sort 587 00:37:37,719 --> 00:37:41,399 Speaker 1: of do it. I do shake my head a lot 588 00:37:41,480 --> 00:37:46,600 Speaker 1: of people with public profile who constantly sort of draw 589 00:37:46,680 --> 00:37:49,480 Speaker 1: attention to people who are angry with them on social 590 00:37:49,520 --> 00:37:52,120 Speaker 1: media and you going, wow, don't go on it, and 591 00:37:53,200 --> 00:37:57,080 Speaker 1: you know you don't need if you don't like that 592 00:37:57,160 --> 00:37:58,960 Speaker 1: as a consequence of your job. You don't have to 593 00:37:59,000 --> 00:38:03,239 Speaker 1: do that job. You know, it's a personal choice. It's 594 00:38:03,280 --> 00:38:08,239 Speaker 1: not nearly as bad as being sort of threatened on 595 00:38:08,280 --> 00:38:11,719 Speaker 1: social media. Is not nearly as bad as being threatened physically, 596 00:38:11,960 --> 00:38:14,320 Speaker 1: you know. I keep it all in perspective. 597 00:38:14,560 --> 00:38:18,239 Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, How like, what are your strategies for, you know, 598 00:38:18,520 --> 00:38:20,239 Speaker 2: coping with I guess the stress that can come with 599 00:38:20,320 --> 00:38:22,520 Speaker 2: if you are getting slammed for something on social media? Y? 600 00:38:22,680 --> 00:38:25,240 Speaker 1: Okay, Well I can tell you after a football loss, 601 00:38:26,960 --> 00:38:32,040 Speaker 1: I get hunted on social media by disgruntle supporters. So 602 00:38:32,960 --> 00:38:36,960 Speaker 1: I won't go on social media for two or three 603 00:38:37,040 --> 00:38:41,279 Speaker 1: days until it calms down, and then then don't even 604 00:38:41,360 --> 00:38:43,600 Speaker 1: look at it. 605 00:38:43,640 --> 00:38:45,520 Speaker 2: Is that hard to stay off it or easy to 606 00:38:45,560 --> 00:38:46,040 Speaker 2: stay off it? 607 00:38:46,160 --> 00:38:49,480 Speaker 1: No, no, it's easy to stay off it. I will 608 00:38:50,160 --> 00:38:53,640 Speaker 1: I'll retweet things that inspire me that I think are 609 00:38:53,920 --> 00:38:57,040 Speaker 1: good for people to know, sort of good news things, 610 00:38:57,400 --> 00:39:00,960 Speaker 1: because now I've got a personal camp having for optimism 611 00:39:00,960 --> 00:39:04,000 Speaker 1: at the moment that everyone's just so grumpy. It is 612 00:39:05,120 --> 00:39:09,640 Speaker 1: the most hated period of prosperity in Australia's history. We 613 00:39:09,719 --> 00:39:13,160 Speaker 1: have never had it so good. Now people going oh, 614 00:39:13,320 --> 00:39:18,080 Speaker 1: what do you move. We're not at war, we're not 615 00:39:18,120 --> 00:39:21,160 Speaker 1: conscripting kids to go to war. We've had twenty eight 616 00:39:21,200 --> 00:39:25,320 Speaker 1: consecutive years of positive economic growth. According to the UBS 617 00:39:25,600 --> 00:39:28,880 Speaker 1: Global Wealth Index, the average Australian is the second wealthiest 618 00:39:28,920 --> 00:39:33,960 Speaker 1: in the world, behind the Swiss. Life. Shit happens in life, 619 00:39:34,680 --> 00:39:39,240 Speaker 1: and it's not a fairy tale. We all get challenged, 620 00:39:39,280 --> 00:39:41,560 Speaker 1: we all have problems that we work through. That is 621 00:39:41,760 --> 00:39:47,040 Speaker 1: just life. But hey, let's understand the positives. I think 622 00:39:47,840 --> 00:39:52,719 Speaker 1: happiness and having a positive attitude solves a lot of 623 00:39:52,760 --> 00:39:59,920 Speaker 1: issues internally, and and happiness is driven by good relations 624 00:40:00,600 --> 00:40:05,880 Speaker 1: and being optimistic and sort of appreciating the little things 625 00:40:06,360 --> 00:40:10,960 Speaker 1: in life. And I think we've lost the ability. A 626 00:40:11,000 --> 00:40:12,799 Speaker 1: lot of people have lost the ability to do that. 627 00:40:13,320 --> 00:40:15,520 Speaker 2: Do you have any rituals around that out of interest? 628 00:40:15,840 --> 00:40:20,520 Speaker 1: Oh? Oh yeah, Like on my walk every day from 629 00:40:20,760 --> 00:40:25,080 Speaker 1: parking the car to here, I deliberately walk slowly and 630 00:40:25,440 --> 00:40:30,120 Speaker 1: taking everything around me. And it's a good walk through 631 00:40:30,800 --> 00:40:35,480 Speaker 1: a historic part of Sydney, around the wharves which are 632 00:40:35,680 --> 00:40:41,440 Speaker 1: just always alive with activity. It's a beautiful harbor. So 633 00:40:41,520 --> 00:40:44,680 Speaker 1: I try and I try and do that with my 634 00:40:44,680 --> 00:40:48,279 Speaker 1: grandkids as well, sort of will just sit and I'll say, 635 00:40:48,880 --> 00:40:52,280 Speaker 1: don't say anything. Justice and what do you here? And 636 00:40:53,160 --> 00:40:57,680 Speaker 1: it's amazing how they can change your life and they 637 00:40:57,719 --> 00:41:00,640 Speaker 1: get excited about that. Oh did you hear that popping up? 638 00:41:01,640 --> 00:41:04,760 Speaker 1: And it's just those simple that make life for joy. 639 00:41:05,000 --> 00:41:07,560 Speaker 2: That's lovely and I think that's a wonderful note to 640 00:41:07,760 --> 00:41:14,280 Speaker 2: end on quick you too, and you've got a conference 641 00:41:14,280 --> 00:41:16,440 Speaker 2: called that you need to repair one out. Thank you 642 00:41:16,520 --> 00:41:18,759 Speaker 2: so much for your time. I've loved chatting with you. 643 00:41:18,800 --> 00:41:19,800 Speaker 1: Thanks, thanks for having me. 644 00:41:20,719 --> 00:41:24,319 Speaker 2: Hello there, that's it for today's show. 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