Speaker 1: You know, how have I managed to get on with
Speaker 1: my life? How am I so?
Speaker 2: Have you?
Speaker 1: Given what I've been through? And I when I thought
Speaker 1: about it myself, when I reflected on how I felt
Speaker 1: about my life, I realized I was just as happy,
Speaker 1: if not more happier, more happy than I was before
Speaker 1: the fire.
Speaker 2: Then finally making hello and welcome back to the Rise
Speaker 2: and Conquer Podcast. This is the podcast for my girl
Speaker 2: gang who are ready to rise and conquer their biggest
Speaker 2: dreams and live their most authentic life. I'm your host
Speaker 2: Georgie Stevenson, former lawyer turned entrepreneur, and today, guys, oh
Speaker 2: my god, I've got a special one for you. Today
Speaker 2: I'm joined by one of the most inspiring women in Australia,
Speaker 2: Turia Pitt. Turia was caught in a grass fire while
Speaker 2: competing in an ultra marathon in twenty eleven. She suffered
Speaker 2: burns to sixty five percent of her body, but surviving
Speaker 2: is the least of her achievements. She's one of Australia's
Speaker 2: most admired and widely recognized people. Toria has gone on
Speaker 2: to become a best selling author, a two time iron
Speaker 2: Men and a mum of two. In today's chat, we
Speaker 2: unpack Toria's most recent book, Happy, and Turia spills her
Speaker 2: top tips to happiness. I absolutely loved this chat. Turria
Speaker 2: is so inspiring, down to earth and she is hilarious.
Speaker 2: I hope you love this one, rn C Gang, because
Speaker 2: I know I did.
Speaker 1: Turia.
Speaker 2: Welcome to the show.
Speaker 1: Yeah, thanks so much for having me, Georgie. It's really
Speaker 1: good to speak with you.
Speaker 2: I am so excited. I was just telling Toria off
Speaker 2: air that I just finished her book and it was
Speaker 2: so enjoyable, so funny, so easy to resonate with, and
Speaker 2: so many like gold nuggets of information, so that I'm
Speaker 2: really excited for this.
Speaker 1: Oh, thank you, thank you. It was it was a
Speaker 1: real I guess it was like a lot of work
Speaker 1: to write the book, like enjoyable work, but still work
Speaker 1: the same. So yeah, I really appreciate those comments Georgie.
Speaker 2: Of course. And yeah, I can imagine it being a
Speaker 2: huge process. And we're going to get into the book
Speaker 2: in just a minute. But before we do that, something
Speaker 2: that I'm asking all my Season three guests is what
Speaker 2: is something that you practice every single day as a
Speaker 2: non negotiable that really helps you step into your best self?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I start off every morning, I make
Speaker 1: a coffee and then I think of three things that
Speaker 1: I'm genuinely grateful for, And I don't have to be
Speaker 1: big things, in fact, like the smaller all the better.
Speaker 1: So this morning, I was grateful to my mom because
Speaker 1: she helped out with the kids last night so my
Speaker 1: partner and I could go out on a date night,
Speaker 1: which was good. My partner made me in my cup
Speaker 1: of coffee, so I was grateful to him for that.
Speaker 1: And then just watching my boys like playing on the carpet,
Speaker 1: like I really I really enjoy the mornings with my family,
Speaker 1: so I was grateful for that as well. And I
Speaker 1: think when we start our day by focusing on what
Speaker 1: we're grateful for as opposed to like what's not working
Speaker 1: in our life and what isn't happening at the moment,
Speaker 1: If we start a day thinking about what we're grateful for,
Speaker 1: let me focusing on the positives, and that really helps
Speaker 1: us to build a healthier and a happier and a
Speaker 1: more positive mindset. So I guess that would be like
Speaker 1: the one thing I do every day that helps me,
Speaker 1: helps helps me to get ready for my day.
Speaker 2: I love it and I couldn't agree more. And I
Speaker 2: love that gratitude is a chapter in your book, which
Speaker 2: we'll chat about soon. But can you give and I'm
Speaker 2: sure everyone knows who are on this podcast, but could
Speaker 2: you give the audience a snapshot of who you are
Speaker 2: and what you do?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Sure, I mean like, it's weird when I get
Speaker 1: asked that question. Yeah, because it's like, Okay, where do
Speaker 1: I start. I was a mining engineer. I entered an
Speaker 1: ultra marathon. I was trapped by a grass fire a
Speaker 1: quarter of the way through the race. I see burns
Speaker 1: to sixty five percent of my body, spent two years
Speaker 1: in and out of hospital, rebuilt my physical body, rebuilt
Speaker 1: my life, did an iron Man event, did Iron Red
Speaker 1: World Championships in Hawaii, had two kids along the way,
Speaker 1: and I've written four best selling books. So I guess
Speaker 1: that's a snapshot, a snapshot or an insight into who
Speaker 1: I am.
Speaker 2: I know that is absolutely amazing and so inspirational. And yeah,
Speaker 2: I'm just I'm so excited to have you on this
Speaker 2: podcast and to get into your brand new book Happy.
Speaker 2: So can you tell us a little bit about why
Speaker 2: you chose to write about, you know, the concept of
Speaker 2: being happy? And where that inspiration came from.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess. I mean I get emails and messages
Speaker 1: and like dms on Instagram from people all the time,
Speaker 1: and all of the questions and answers are things like,
Speaker 1: you know, how have I managed to get on with
Speaker 1: my life? How am I so happy given what I've
Speaker 1: been through? And I when I thought about it myself,
Speaker 1: when I reflected on how I felt about my life,
Speaker 1: I realized I was just as happy, if not more happier,
Speaker 1: more happy than I was before the fire. And I
Speaker 1: thought that was really interesting that someone can go through
Speaker 1: a catastrophic life changing experience and come out the other
Speaker 1: side feeling really positive and happy. So I started doing
Speaker 1: some research. I read a lot of interesting journal articles
Speaker 1: and a lot of interesting papers, and I guess I
Speaker 1: realized that there was a book in it, and so
Speaker 1: I started. I started from there, and a lot of
Speaker 1: the things I discovered in my research were things that
Speaker 1: I already did, such as practice and gratitude. I've been
Speaker 1: doing that, I think for at least five years now.
Speaker 1: But there was other things I discovered, like you know
Speaker 1: the importance of making you read in the morning that
Speaker 1: has an impact on how you feel about your day
Speaker 1: and how able you are to cope or handle with
Speaker 1: whatever your day throws your way. And you know that
Speaker 1: starts from just making your bed. So a lot of
Speaker 1: it I already knew, but a lot of it was
Speaker 1: new information to me, which I found really interesting. And
Speaker 1: I guess, I guess that's why I put it in
Speaker 1: the book, because I was really excited to share it
Speaker 1: with a lot of people.
Speaker 2: I absolutely love that. And I was telling Tia off
Speaker 2: air how much of delight reading the book was, and
Speaker 2: it like reading the book and it's you know, like
Speaker 2: you speak like you said, you speak about concepts that
Speaker 2: I was already doing myself and I had known about it,
Speaker 2: but you do it in such an engaging and insightful way.
Speaker 2: It really left an impact on me. And I was like, yes,
Speaker 2: I need to start making my bed in the morning.
Speaker 1: All right.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: But like I guess, what I wanted to get across
Speaker 1: in the book as well, was like, no one's perfect
Speaker 1: at this stuff, you know what I mean? And I'm
Speaker 1: the same. Some days I practiced gratitude. I sent my
Speaker 1: day up properly. I I'm a really nice mom and
Speaker 1: a really nice partner and a good friend and then
Speaker 1: other days I wake up, I'm stressed, I'm tired, I'm cranky.
Speaker 1: My babies kept me up, and I don't feel like,
Speaker 1: you know, my best self. And then maybe on those days,
Speaker 1: I don't make my bed, or I don't practice kindness
Speaker 1: for someone else, or I don't make an effort with
Speaker 1: my relationships. So I definitely, yeah, I don't want to
Speaker 1: give any of your listeners that you know that they
Speaker 1: have to do every single thing that I've that I've
Speaker 1: got in the book to make themselves happier. Even just
Speaker 1: doing one like practicing gratitude or even just trying to
Speaker 1: get in the habit of making your bed, you know,
Speaker 1: they'll probably feel if they do those things, I'll feel
Speaker 1: a lot better about themselves.
Speaker 2: One hundred percent. And that that is such a great
Speaker 2: reminder of you know, even though you do have this
Speaker 2: whole book full of concepts to make us happy, it's
Speaker 2: not like you're this perfect person. And I think that
Speaker 2: you know, that's that's life. Life is not.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like no one's perfect, no one's perfect, but like, seriously,
Speaker 1: that's that idea is Like it was a new concept
Speaker 1: to me because when I was younger, I think when
Speaker 1: I was like you know, eighteen or sixteen, I really
Speaker 1: I really thought it was possible to be a perfect
Speaker 1: person and to be good at everything and to be
Speaker 1: you know, really well rounded it stuff. And now I
Speaker 1: guess I'm just a bit older and wise of what
Speaker 1: I've sort of realized that everyone is imperfect, Everyone has flaws. Everyone,
Speaker 1: you know, stuffs up from time to time. And I
Speaker 1: think just when you recognize that and you accept that,
Speaker 1: I found it makes me a lot happier being the
Speaker 1: person that I am.
Speaker 2: I love that, and I often I talk about that
Speaker 2: in the way of like we all have seasons, Like
Speaker 2: we have seasons where you know, we might feel like
Speaker 2: we're absolutely killing it at the gym and work, and
Speaker 2: then we go through seasons and it's a bit of
Speaker 2: a shit show the whole time, and you've just got
Speaker 2: to like learn and accept and grow from them.
Speaker 1: So totally.
Speaker 2: Going back to Gratitude, So let me just read out
Speaker 2: to the audience, because I absolutely love that. In the book,
Speaker 2: you have all these different chapters. So the first chapter
Speaker 2: is Gratitude, Morning, Routine, Zest, kindness, self talk, self love, love, money, purpose,
Speaker 2: hard times, fun and goals. So you go through so
Speaker 2: much in the book which I love, and I wanted
Speaker 2: to just touch on three of my favorite chapters because,
Speaker 2: like I said, it's concepts that I've heard before, and
Speaker 2: I'm someone who practice, you know, gratitude every single morning too.
Speaker 2: But for example, with the Gratitude chapter, you spoke about
Speaker 2: this concept that is called savoring, and I was a
Speaker 2: bit mind boggled, and I loved this, and I was
Speaker 2: wondering if you can explain it to the audience and
Speaker 2: explain how it contributes to your happiness.
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, So savoring is like the act of stepping
Speaker 1: outside the experience that you're in to I guess, to
Speaker 1: review it and to appreciate it. And you know, when
Speaker 1: you think about that, that means any experience positive old negative,
Speaker 1: we can amplify it or we can diminish it, depending
Speaker 1: on how much we think about it. So, like to
Speaker 1: put that in Layman's terms, like, imagine you're eating a
Speaker 1: chocolate chip cookie and you're eating it really mindfully, and
Speaker 1: you might be imagining, you know, or you might be
Speaker 1: thinking of the contrast between the dark chocolate chips and
Speaker 1: the buttery cookie, or you know that when you get
Speaker 1: into the shower after going to a gym class, and
Speaker 1: you're really noticing the shower drops in your skin and
Speaker 1: you're really relishing in it. So I think it's a
Speaker 1: lot of it is about being mindful and really appreciating
Speaker 1: the moment that you're presently in. And I think most
Speaker 1: of us aren't very good at savory, and I know
Speaker 1: for myself, I'm not very good at either. And like
Speaker 1: you know, I'm assuming that you're probably a high achiever,
Speaker 1: and so when you achieve something really awesome for yourself,
Speaker 1: it's very easy to go call that's done, What's next.
Speaker 1: And I think we really need to be mindful of
Speaker 1: our achievements and appreciate it and relish it and be
Speaker 1: proud of ourselves as well. So I thought savory was
Speaker 1: really called. It was one that i'd never really I'd
Speaker 1: never really known about either until I started researching for
Speaker 1: this book.
Speaker 2: I And this is exactly why I loved it, because
Speaker 2: I am I am a bit of a high achievment
Speaker 2: in the way that I have goals and then I
Speaker 2: achieved them and I'm like, Okay, what's next.
Speaker 1: So totally, but like that's that's it's like a missing
Speaker 1: part in our goal setting process, right, because we set
Speaker 1: these goals and we go call that starn chick. That
Speaker 1: off the list. I'm going to move on to the
Speaker 1: next one. But when missing that step of savoring, of
Speaker 1: reflecting on that massive achievement that we you know, that
Speaker 1: we accomplished, being proud of ourselves, allowing ourselves to really
Speaker 1: soak in it and relish it. Like you said, Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's so important.
Speaker 2: And I even thought when I was reading the book too,
Speaker 2: I was like, I need to celebrate the small moments.
Speaker 1: A lot more than I totally totally. I think we all,
Speaker 1: like all of us, could do that more. And you know,
Speaker 1: I guess that's you know, one of the things I
Speaker 1: talk about in the book is you know, when you
Speaker 1: set up your day, you just think about what's one
Speaker 1: thing that you could do in that day which would
Speaker 1: make it a good day, and then you go and
Speaker 1: do it. And that helps us to anticipate that that
Speaker 1: positive experience of that positive event and look forward to it,
Speaker 1: and that makes us enjoy our days more. So. There's
Speaker 1: lots of cool little things like that in the book
Speaker 1: as well. But I think my favorite chapter was really
Speaker 1: Are Hard Times? And I put that in the book
Speaker 1: because I think part of being happy is accepting that
Speaker 1: we're not going to be happy all of the time.
Speaker 1: And I think, you know, some days we are naturally happy,
Speaker 1: we are naturally motivated, we're excited, we might be enthusiastic,
Speaker 1: and then other days we're not. We're stressed, we're tired,
Speaker 1: we're cranky, we're annoyed. And I think all of those
Speaker 1: emotions are really valid. They're very normal human emotion, and
Speaker 1: I think when we just accept them and acknowledge them
Speaker 1: and just trying to sit with them and we just
Speaker 1: own them, I think the faster they dissipate as well.
Speaker 1: And it's you know, we're not bullshitting to ourselves. We're
Speaker 1: not trying to push anything down and going no, no, no,
Speaker 1: we're fine, everything's okay. We're just saying, yeah, this is shit.
Speaker 1: I'm annoyed, I'm cranky, and that's fine.
Speaker 2: One hundred percent. And I'm a new person to like
Speaker 2: sitting with their feelings because I feel, like most humans,
Speaker 2: I hate feeling, you know, uncomfortable. And I was reflecting
Speaker 2: on that when I was reading that chapter two of
Speaker 2: I was like, yes, I just need to like sit
Speaker 2: with the feeling and be okay with it and not
Speaker 2: kind of push it down. So much.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean when you try to push it down,
Speaker 1: it just builds up and eventually comes out even worse.
Speaker 1: And I think no one, no one likes feeling like
Speaker 1: those uncomfortable feelings. No one loves feeling jealous or resentful,
Speaker 1: or irritated or cranky. Of course, if we had our way, like,
Speaker 1: we'd want to be feeling happy and energized and joyful
Speaker 1: more often, but I don't think that's possible. And I
Speaker 1: think just part of being alive and part of being
Speaker 1: human is experiencing all of those emotions. And like I said,
Speaker 1: when we just try and sit with them, as much
Speaker 1: as we don't like it, the more we get used
Speaker 1: to it. And for me, anyway, I notice that when
Speaker 1: I accept and acknowledge how I'm feeling, the feeling tends
Speaker 1: to dissipate way faster than if I try and bullshit
Speaker 1: to myself and put up with a site and say no, no, no,
Speaker 1: I'm all good, everything's fine.
Speaker 2: Yes. I love that, And I, like you said, I
Speaker 2: think it's huge of accepting the feeling too. Yeah it's okay,
Speaker 2: I feel like shit today?
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah totally. And like if you can name
Speaker 1: the feeling, that's great. But sometimes we just feel like
Speaker 1: it and we're not sure why, and I think that's
Speaker 1: fine as well. That's also okay, Yeah, that's so fine. Yeah.
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Speaker 2: let's get back into the episode. Well, let's chat also
Speaker 2: about the self love chapter because I absolutely love this
Speaker 2: and I'm reading an excerpt from the book where you said,
Speaker 2: at the end of the day, if you don't have
Speaker 2: tickets on yourself, you'll miss out on the show, your show.
Speaker 2: And I love this because often I question I get
Speaker 2: on the Rise and Conquer Podcasts is from someone who
Speaker 2: is either you know, they're trying something new or that
Speaker 2: they're starting a business and they're worried what other people
Speaker 2: are going to think or say. And so I love
Speaker 2: that you just put this so blankly. And this is
Speaker 2: a huge thing in the book is you know, it's
Speaker 2: written beautifully, but there's a lot of tough love, which
Speaker 2: I think is so needed. I was wondering if you
Speaker 2: can expand on this topic and chat about that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, of course, Like I think a really big part
Speaker 1: of self love is being kinder to ourselves. Again, I
Speaker 1: don't think women in particular, I don't think we're very
Speaker 1: good at being really compassionate with ourselves. We're awesome at
Speaker 1: being compassionate and kind with our kids and with our families,
Speaker 1: and with our friends and with our partners, but when
Speaker 1: it comes to ourselves, we're often quite mean. And so
Speaker 1: I always, I always recommend that people try and talk
Speaker 1: to themselves like how they would talk to their best friend,
Speaker 1: because we wouldn't say really mean things to our best friend.
Speaker 1: I also think it's understanding that all of us, you know,
Speaker 1: we have feelings, we have life experiences. They may be painful.
Speaker 1: It's okay to be upset and I think feeling all
Speaker 1: those feelings, it doesn't mean that we're weak or that
Speaker 1: where you know that we're flawed. It just means we're human.
Speaker 1: And I think all of us, all of us on
Speaker 1: this planet, we are all flawed, We are all imperfect,
Speaker 1: and we all fuck up really on a regular basis.
Speaker 1: And I think, you know when I talk about backing
Speaker 1: yourself in the book, because backing yourself is another like
Speaker 1: it's another concept that seems really far fetched. And I
Speaker 1: don't know if you've ever had this advice when someone's like, oh, well,
Speaker 1: just go for it, just back yourself, and it's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: but how like how do I actually do that? And
Speaker 1: I compare that concept of backing yourself in the book
Speaker 1: to being you know, just like a skill, like you know,
Speaker 1: public speaking or playing tennis or doing our makeup. I
Speaker 1: think the more we do it, the more we practice it,
Speaker 1: the more we evaluate our performance, I think the better
Speaker 1: we get at it as well.
Speaker 2: Yes, it's like it's like you know a muscle that
Speaker 2: you need to strengthen and exercise and work. You can't
Speaker 2: just expect it to like sure, I am, I'm sure
Speaker 2: there's people who were born with more confidence than other people.
Speaker 2: But one hundred percent, it's something you need to work
Speaker 2: on and just just do it. As much as that
Speaker 2: is scary, it's like for sure, and you'll get better at.
Speaker 1: It, yeah, for sure. And like you know, if you
Speaker 1: are scared of public speaking, that doesn't mean that you
Speaker 1: need to present in front of a room full of
Speaker 1: thousands of people. Maybe that means when you're in a
Speaker 1: group dynamic, you can contribute something to the conversation. You know,
Speaker 1: you can just start. You don't have to go from
Speaker 1: zero to this massive extent straight away. You can just
Speaker 1: start small and do things really slowly and do things
Speaker 1: in your own time and at your own pace as well.
Speaker 2: Yes, one hundred percent. And so another favorite chapter of
Speaker 2: mine was Purpose, because I feel like there's almost this
Speaker 2: conversation happening where it's like, you know, what's my life purpose?
Speaker 2: I really want to do something with purpose, and it's
Speaker 2: this whole or deal. And I love that in the book,
Speaker 2: you acknowledge that everyone you know is going through different
Speaker 2: stuff and finding different stuff they're interested in, and you
Speaker 2: sort of explain like stop asking yourself, like what is
Speaker 2: my purpose and what should I be doing with myself?
Speaker 2: And then start asking yourself, like what are you interested in?
Speaker 2: What should you try first? What do you want to
Speaker 2: know more about? And what question do you want to answer?
Speaker 2: I wanted to ask you, and you do. You do
Speaker 2: explain this in the book, But with you, have you ever,
Speaker 2: you know, questioned your purpose or has this ever been,
Speaker 2: you know, a big question for you?
Speaker 1: I think I definitely was when I was younger. You know,
Speaker 1: like when you're at school and you've got all this
Speaker 1: pressure on You're like what subjects will I choose? And
Speaker 1: then what will my career be? And then where will
Speaker 1: I go from there? So I think at school I
Speaker 1: probably did put a lot of pressure on myself to
Speaker 1: find my life purpose. Now, a couple of decades on,
Speaker 1: I've really just taken the pressure off myself and I
Speaker 1: don't even know what I'm doing now is my life
Speaker 1: purpose or however you want to say it. And I
Speaker 1: just think, well, you know what, I enjoy the work
Speaker 1: I do right now. I'm interested in the work that
Speaker 1: I'm doing right now. I love writing, I like, you know,
Speaker 1: exploring different research papers and speaking to experts and happiness.
Speaker 1: I love that and I really enjoy thinking about how
Speaker 1: we can get happier and how we can get more confident.
Speaker 1: So for me, I feel like, yeah, what I do now,
Speaker 1: what I do for work, all of those questions are
Speaker 1: answered and I feel really good about all of them.
Speaker 1: So for any of your listeners, if they're really struggling
Speaker 1: with this telemra of you know, finding their life purpose
Speaker 1: and only having one career and all of those things,
Speaker 1: I just say, like, take the pressure off yourself and
Speaker 1: stop asking yourself those questions and just ask yourself questions
Speaker 1: like what am I into, what do I want to try?
Speaker 1: What do I want to know more about? And I
Speaker 1: think when you follow your interest and when you're curious,
Speaker 1: I think where you end up is pretty meaningful.
Speaker 2: M And also I love in that chapter you touched
Speaker 2: on your work not having to be your life purpose.
Speaker 2: And I really resonated with this. In the respect of
Speaker 2: my husband, he will like me, first, my you know
Speaker 2: what I do with this podcast, and I own a
Speaker 2: natural supplement company and stuff like, my work is definitely
Speaker 2: my purpose and it's like I live, breathe, and die
Speaker 2: for it. If that makes that way. My husband, He's
Speaker 2: just like, look, I just want to go to work,
Speaker 2: do my thing, and then I want to play golf
Speaker 2: on the weekends, and you know, like he's so different,
Speaker 2: and so I love that you can kind of have
Speaker 2: both sides because I think sometimes we get really wrapped
Speaker 2: up in this thing that you know, our work has
Speaker 2: to be our life purpose, Oh.
Speaker 1: Totally, And like that's the thing I love. I love
Speaker 1: my work, and often on a Saturday night, I will
Speaker 1: consciously choose to pull out my laptop and like do
Speaker 1: something with my Yeah, yeah, I'm sure they're saying, we'll
Speaker 1: like do something in the business, or like w out
Speaker 1: some more or create some more content. And I think, like,
Speaker 1: if I am doing that out of choice on a
Speaker 1: Saturday night, that obviously means that I enjoy what I do.
Speaker 1: But again, I want people to take the pressure of
Speaker 1: themselves because sometimes our career or our job might not
Speaker 1: be that meaningful for us, and I think that's fine.
Speaker 1: You can also just take the money and run and
Speaker 1: in your time outside of work, do things that you
Speaker 1: really enjoy it, that you find really meaningful. So like,
Speaker 1: there's different ways that we can get purpose, or we
Speaker 1: can we can find that or cultivate that that kind
Speaker 1: of reason for why we get up in the morning. Yes,
Speaker 1: but I just yeah, but one point, well, one thing
Speaker 1: is just like I think, all a job, no matter
Speaker 1: what job, we have, all jobs and tell us some
Speaker 1: kind of shit sandwich that we have to eat. So
Speaker 1: I think with whatever, with whatever we're doing, we we
Speaker 1: need to reabit or we need to want to eat
Speaker 1: that hit sandwich that entails that job. Does that make sense?
Speaker 1: So like if you want to be a vet nurse
Speaker 1: but you don't like blood or needles, and maybe that
Speaker 1: career choice might not be good for you. Or if
Speaker 1: you're you know, you want to be a really great
Speaker 1: actor but you can't handle that idea of being rejected again,
Speaker 1: maybe that's not the best ship sandwich for you.
Speaker 2: Mm. And that's and that's like a great point of realizing.
Speaker 2: And you know, I'm sure people look at you and
Speaker 2: just go, oh my god, she must just have the
Speaker 2: best job and the best life. But it's like in
Speaker 2: any job, there's always aspects that you don't like doing.
Speaker 2: So yeah, I think it's important realizing that like no
Speaker 2: one has the perfect job. It's just if you can
Speaker 2: deal with those so great parts as well.
Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure. I mean I am positive even Beyonce
Speaker 1: has elements about her job and her life that she
Speaker 1: doesn't love.
Speaker 2: Yes, one hundred times. I'd love to know what they are.
Speaker 1: Though, Well, like I've seen on one of her documentaries,
Speaker 1: she got like so sassy because I think some of
Speaker 1: the buttons on the costume won't write. So like those
Speaker 1: kinds of things obviously annoyed Beyonce.
Speaker 2: Yes, first world problems, I'm sure, no, one hundred percent,
Speaker 2: And so I would love to know what was your
Speaker 2: favorite part about writing this book? And then what was
Speaker 2: your least favorite part.
Speaker 1: Look, I'm a bit of a nerd, so I created
Speaker 1: myself a gaant chat with deadlines and kind of broke
Speaker 1: down the book into different chapters and then worked out
Speaker 1: how long each chapter would take to write and all
Speaker 1: of those things. And once I've done all that, I
Speaker 1: obviously still had to do the writing part. So I love,
Speaker 1: I loved, I love the actual writing. But I guess
Speaker 1: what I'm not good at is like making it all
Speaker 1: makes sense and making it readable, Because there was large
Speaker 1: parts of the book where I had, you know, all
Speaker 1: these really great ideas and then no real common thread
Speaker 1: between all of.
Speaker 2: Them interesting, so like putting it all together in a
Speaker 2: seamless sort of.
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, whereas I just had like random really great
Speaker 1: bits everywhere.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've never thought about that. That is so interesting.
Speaker 1: I mean, so I work with a colleague in my team.
Speaker 1: Her name is Grace, and she's really awesome at doing that,
Speaker 1: at like finding the common thread of like making things
Speaker 1: make sense. So she helped me massively in that way.
Speaker 1: So I think, you know, large part of the credit
Speaker 1: of the book obviously has to go to her. But yeah,
Speaker 1: I wasn't well I'd write things, I'm like, yes, that
Speaker 1: makes sense, and she'd be like, no, Terrea, it doesn't.
Speaker 1: I'm telling you it doesn't make sense. So that, yeah,
Speaker 1: that was That was a really good relationship that I had.
Speaker 2: Hm, I bet and I think I think also that
Speaker 2: I love that you touched on, you know, having help
Speaker 2: and this amazing, amazing reader and book coming from you know,
Speaker 2: a team work and that sort of ethic because you know,
Speaker 2: you can always behind the scenes look at things and
Speaker 2: think it just comes together seamless.
Speaker 1: So oh, mate, with this book, there was editor, there
Speaker 1: was editors at Random House, there was a there was
Speaker 1: a proof reader that my editor made me rewrite the
Speaker 1: book about, you know, ten times. There was a pr
Speaker 1: team like that. It takes it really does take a
Speaker 1: really I think to do, to do anything in anything
Speaker 1: worthy in life.
Speaker 2: One hundred and ten percent. And so the last thing
Speaker 2: I want to touch on before I let you go,
Speaker 2: because I know you are a very busy human, and
Speaker 2: that is your goals chapter. And I loved this chapter
Speaker 2: because I am a very goal orientated person, a bit
Speaker 2: of a goal freak, if you will. And I loved
Speaker 2: the way that you plan out your goals and you
Speaker 2: really focus on the progress and that sort of side
Speaker 2: of things. And I'd love for you to explain to
Speaker 2: the audience how you plan out goals and what that
Speaker 2: process looks like.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, first to start with that, I don't
Speaker 1: call them goals. I call them champion quests. And then
Speaker 1: I call them champions first short, and I realize, I
Speaker 1: recognize that's really silly, But I also think you kind
Speaker 1: of have to make this process fun and you have
Speaker 1: to make it as enjoyable for yourself as you can.
Speaker 1: I think a lot of people with their goals, they
Speaker 1: might wonder whether the goal is right for them or
Speaker 1: whether it will make them happier. And I guess we
Speaker 1: don't actually never know whether pursuing a goal will be
Speaker 1: happy with it or will be happy with the outcome
Speaker 1: or whether we don't. And I use the example of
Speaker 1: the book. You know, if you want to become a
Speaker 1: hart player, you might spend thousands of dollars and a heart,
Speaker 1: you might get the less ends, you might practice every day,
Speaker 1: and then you might just realize one day that you
Speaker 1: fucking hate the heart. So I think that's okay if
Speaker 1: you start on a champion quest, if you start on
Speaker 1: your goal journey and then you realize halfway through that
Speaker 1: actually the goal isn't for you and you don't enjoy
Speaker 1: doing it, I think it is perfectly fine to recognize that,
Speaker 1: you know what, you had a crack, you don't actually
Speaker 1: like it, and it's fine to put it aside as well.
Speaker 2: And I think that really sort of plays into what
Speaker 2: you were talking about when we were chatting about purpose.
Speaker 2: And that's something like I say, like with you know
Speaker 2: what you're doing now, don't be worried if it is
Speaker 2: you know, the end goal and this big shiny thing,
Speaker 2: just be like, be up for it and enjoy it
Speaker 2: and be interested in it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. And like you know, I always I always
Speaker 1: give this advice that people's goals are people's champions. You know,
Speaker 1: it's not something that we think we should do, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. So like some people say, oh,
Speaker 1: I really should start running, because I don't know why,
Speaker 1: because it you know, because all of the people I
Speaker 1: know run. And I think if it doesn't resonate you,
Speaker 1: if it doesn't compell you, and if it doesn't motivate you,
Speaker 1: you're going to find it really hard to follow through.
Speaker 1: Then you're going to feel bad on yourself for not
Speaker 1: committing to your goal. And I think that's really ridiculous
Speaker 1: when you are chasing a goal that you didn't actually
Speaker 1: really want in the first place. So I think just
Speaker 1: being honest with ourselves and ask ourselves, like, do we
Speaker 1: actually want to do this? Are we actually willing to
Speaker 1: eat the shit sandwich that this goal will entail?
Speaker 2: You know, this shit sandwich? It no, one hundred percent,
Speaker 2: And thank you for touching on that. So Touria, two
Speaker 2: time Iron Woman, best selling author, Mum online program, so
Speaker 2: much going on? What is next for you?
Speaker 1: Well, look, I'm still the book has just come out,
Speaker 1: so I'm still really savoring in that success or rashing relishing,
Speaker 1: in that feeling of achieving a really big goal of mine.
Speaker 1: But for next year in the business, we're going to
Speaker 1: be doing a running program for mums, which I'm really
Speaker 1: excited about. And I don't know twenty twenty. It's been
Speaker 1: a bit of a curve all year, hasn't it. But
Speaker 1: for me personally, I've had another baby this year, I've
Speaker 1: spent a lot of time at my home on the
Speaker 1: south coast of New South Wales. I've been really enjoying
Speaker 1: time with my friends and family. So I think if
Speaker 1: next year could be like somewhat similar to this year,
Speaker 1: except you know, less coronavirus and i'd really stuck with.
Speaker 2: That, that would be ideal.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that would be ideal.
Speaker 2: No, that does sound amazing. And congratulations and just congratulations
Speaker 2: about the book. Like I said, it is an absolute
Speaker 2: epic read. I could not recommend it to my audience
Speaker 2: enough enough. It was so enjoyable to read. And one
Speaker 2: last question I have for you, and this is a
Speaker 2: question I asked all my Season three guests at the end,
Speaker 2: is and I'm looking for a bit of a pep
Speaker 2: talk here. So if you are stepping out of your
Speaker 2: comfort zone, you're doing something new and you want to
Speaker 2: do it, but you are having those you know, those
Speaker 2: feelings of doubt creeping in what is the pep talk
Speaker 2: that you give yourself.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess the pep talk that I would give
Speaker 1: myself is I just say to myself, like, it doesn't
Speaker 1: matter if you don't go out there and crush it.
Speaker 1: All you have to do is just have a go
Speaker 1: show up. Yeah, just show up, because you know what,
Speaker 1: every single day that you just show up, over time,
Speaker 1: you just get better with whatever it is that you're
Speaker 1: trying to do, whether you're wanting to learn and run again,
Speaker 1: whether you're wanting to build your business up, whether you're
Speaker 1: wanting to start your own podcast. You can't smash it
Speaker 1: out of the park every single day, you know, So
Speaker 1: just say to your stuff, all I've got to do
Speaker 1: every day is just show up, and then over time
Speaker 1: you will one hundred percent make progress.
Speaker 2: Yes, Consistency is key. Yes, yes, And so Charia, where
Speaker 2: can the audience find you and get your the hands
Speaker 2: on the amazing book?
Speaker 1: Oh well, they can get the book at any good bookstore.
Speaker 1: And if they want to know a little bit more
Speaker 1: about me, I write a weekly letter to I call
Speaker 1: them my letter gang. To the people in my letter gang,
Speaker 1: And so if they want to hear more tips from
Speaker 1: me or read some more of my writing, go to
Speaker 1: ter repit dot com, forward slash letter and they can
Speaker 1: join up to the gang there.
Speaker 2: Ah, thank you so much for being on the Rise
Speaker 2: and Conquer Podcast.
Speaker 1: No worries, mate, Hope you have a good day.
Speaker 2: You two bye, and that is it for today's episode.
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