1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:02,320 Speaker 1: You know, how have I managed to get on with 2 00:00:02,360 --> 00:00:03,480 Speaker 1: my life? How am I so? 3 00:00:03,600 --> 00:00:03,840 Speaker 2: Have you? 4 00:00:03,960 --> 00:00:07,000 Speaker 1: Given what I've been through? And I when I thought 5 00:00:07,000 --> 00:00:09,760 Speaker 1: about it myself, when I reflected on how I felt 6 00:00:09,800 --> 00:00:13,040 Speaker 1: about my life, I realized I was just as happy, 7 00:00:13,119 --> 00:00:17,640 Speaker 1: if not more happier, more happy than I was before 8 00:00:17,960 --> 00:00:18,480 Speaker 1: the fire. 9 00:00:28,040 --> 00:00:35,360 Speaker 2: Then finally making hello and welcome back to the Rise 10 00:00:35,400 --> 00:00:38,480 Speaker 2: and Conquer Podcast. This is the podcast for my girl 11 00:00:38,479 --> 00:00:41,400 Speaker 2: gang who are ready to rise and conquer their biggest 12 00:00:41,479 --> 00:00:45,440 Speaker 2: dreams and live their most authentic life. I'm your host 13 00:00:45,440 --> 00:00:49,879 Speaker 2: Georgie Stevenson, former lawyer turned entrepreneur, and today, guys, oh 14 00:00:49,920 --> 00:00:53,519 Speaker 2: my god, I've got a special one for you. Today 15 00:00:53,600 --> 00:00:57,760 Speaker 2: I'm joined by one of the most inspiring women in Australia, 16 00:00:58,040 --> 00:01:01,760 Speaker 2: Turia Pitt. Turia was caught in a grass fire while 17 00:01:01,960 --> 00:01:06,360 Speaker 2: competing in an ultra marathon in twenty eleven. She suffered 18 00:01:06,400 --> 00:01:10,480 Speaker 2: burns to sixty five percent of her body, but surviving 19 00:01:10,800 --> 00:01:14,280 Speaker 2: is the least of her achievements. She's one of Australia's 20 00:01:14,319 --> 00:01:18,480 Speaker 2: most admired and widely recognized people. Toria has gone on 21 00:01:18,520 --> 00:01:21,959 Speaker 2: to become a best selling author, a two time iron 22 00:01:22,000 --> 00:01:25,640 Speaker 2: Men and a mum of two. In today's chat, we 23 00:01:25,920 --> 00:01:30,520 Speaker 2: unpack Toria's most recent book, Happy, and Turia spills her 24 00:01:30,560 --> 00:01:35,360 Speaker 2: top tips to happiness. I absolutely loved this chat. Turria 25 00:01:35,520 --> 00:01:39,880 Speaker 2: is so inspiring, down to earth and she is hilarious. 26 00:01:40,319 --> 00:01:43,160 Speaker 2: I hope you love this one, rn C Gang, because 27 00:01:43,280 --> 00:01:44,080 Speaker 2: I know I did. 28 00:01:44,600 --> 00:01:44,959 Speaker 1: Turia. 29 00:01:45,240 --> 00:01:46,200 Speaker 2: Welcome to the show. 30 00:01:46,319 --> 00:01:48,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, thanks so much for having me, Georgie. It's really 31 00:01:48,760 --> 00:01:49,680 Speaker 1: good to speak with you. 32 00:01:50,840 --> 00:01:55,840 Speaker 2: I am so excited. I was just telling Toria off 33 00:01:55,960 --> 00:01:59,720 Speaker 2: air that I just finished her book and it was 34 00:02:00,440 --> 00:02:04,800 Speaker 2: so enjoyable, so funny, so easy to resonate with, and 35 00:02:04,920 --> 00:02:09,400 Speaker 2: so many like gold nuggets of information, so that I'm 36 00:02:09,440 --> 00:02:10,440 Speaker 2: really excited for this. 37 00:02:11,120 --> 00:02:14,400 Speaker 1: Oh, thank you, thank you. It was it was a 38 00:02:14,440 --> 00:02:17,120 Speaker 1: real I guess it was like a lot of work 39 00:02:17,160 --> 00:02:21,680 Speaker 1: to write the book, like enjoyable work, but still work 40 00:02:21,919 --> 00:02:26,520 Speaker 1: the same. So yeah, I really appreciate those comments Georgie. 41 00:02:26,120 --> 00:02:29,000 Speaker 2: Of course. And yeah, I can imagine it being a 42 00:02:29,120 --> 00:02:31,640 Speaker 2: huge process. And we're going to get into the book 43 00:02:31,639 --> 00:02:34,200 Speaker 2: in just a minute. But before we do that, something 44 00:02:34,200 --> 00:02:37,360 Speaker 2: that I'm asking all my Season three guests is what 45 00:02:37,560 --> 00:02:41,040 Speaker 2: is something that you practice every single day as a 46 00:02:41,160 --> 00:02:46,400 Speaker 2: non negotiable that really helps you step into your best self? 47 00:02:46,720 --> 00:02:51,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I start off every morning, I make 48 00:02:51,240 --> 00:02:54,080 Speaker 1: a coffee and then I think of three things that 49 00:02:54,160 --> 00:02:56,880 Speaker 1: I'm genuinely grateful for, And I don't have to be 50 00:02:56,960 --> 00:03:00,640 Speaker 1: big things, in fact, like the smaller all the better. 51 00:03:00,800 --> 00:03:04,160 Speaker 1: So this morning, I was grateful to my mom because 52 00:03:04,200 --> 00:03:06,960 Speaker 1: she helped out with the kids last night so my 53 00:03:07,160 --> 00:03:09,200 Speaker 1: partner and I could go out on a date night, 54 00:03:09,840 --> 00:03:13,360 Speaker 1: which was good. My partner made me in my cup 55 00:03:13,400 --> 00:03:15,960 Speaker 1: of coffee, so I was grateful to him for that. 56 00:03:16,560 --> 00:03:19,240 Speaker 1: And then just watching my boys like playing on the carpet, 57 00:03:19,480 --> 00:03:22,960 Speaker 1: like I really I really enjoy the mornings with my family, 58 00:03:23,440 --> 00:03:25,560 Speaker 1: so I was grateful for that as well. And I 59 00:03:25,600 --> 00:03:27,680 Speaker 1: think when we start our day by focusing on what 60 00:03:27,680 --> 00:03:30,760 Speaker 1: we're grateful for as opposed to like what's not working 61 00:03:30,800 --> 00:03:32,880 Speaker 1: in our life and what isn't happening at the moment, 62 00:03:33,720 --> 00:03:36,200 Speaker 1: If we start a day thinking about what we're grateful for, 63 00:03:36,920 --> 00:03:40,240 Speaker 1: let me focusing on the positives, and that really helps 64 00:03:40,360 --> 00:03:43,360 Speaker 1: us to build a healthier and a happier and a 65 00:03:43,360 --> 00:03:45,840 Speaker 1: more positive mindset. So I guess that would be like 66 00:03:46,440 --> 00:03:49,840 Speaker 1: the one thing I do every day that helps me, 67 00:03:50,440 --> 00:03:52,480 Speaker 1: helps helps me to get ready for my day. 68 00:03:53,600 --> 00:03:55,760 Speaker 2: I love it and I couldn't agree more. And I 69 00:03:56,480 --> 00:04:00,320 Speaker 2: love that gratitude is a chapter in your book, which 70 00:04:00,360 --> 00:04:04,160 Speaker 2: we'll chat about soon. But can you give and I'm 71 00:04:04,240 --> 00:04:08,000 Speaker 2: sure everyone knows who are on this podcast, but could 72 00:04:08,000 --> 00:04:12,440 Speaker 2: you give the audience a snapshot of who you are 73 00:04:12,720 --> 00:04:13,440 Speaker 2: and what you do? 74 00:04:13,920 --> 00:04:16,280 Speaker 1: Yeah? Sure, I mean like, it's weird when I get 75 00:04:16,320 --> 00:04:19,320 Speaker 1: asked that question. Yeah, because it's like, Okay, where do 76 00:04:19,400 --> 00:04:23,920 Speaker 1: I start. I was a mining engineer. I entered an 77 00:04:24,040 --> 00:04:27,200 Speaker 1: ultra marathon. I was trapped by a grass fire a 78 00:04:27,279 --> 00:04:29,359 Speaker 1: quarter of the way through the race. I see burns 79 00:04:29,839 --> 00:04:32,359 Speaker 1: to sixty five percent of my body, spent two years 80 00:04:33,160 --> 00:04:37,719 Speaker 1: in and out of hospital, rebuilt my physical body, rebuilt 81 00:04:37,800 --> 00:04:42,720 Speaker 1: my life, did an iron Man event, did Iron Red 82 00:04:42,760 --> 00:04:46,560 Speaker 1: World Championships in Hawaii, had two kids along the way, 83 00:04:46,600 --> 00:04:50,320 Speaker 1: and I've written four best selling books. So I guess 84 00:04:50,400 --> 00:04:55,719 Speaker 1: that's a snapshot, a snapshot or an insight into who 85 00:04:55,800 --> 00:04:56,160 Speaker 1: I am. 86 00:04:56,760 --> 00:05:02,839 Speaker 2: I know that is absolutely amazing and so inspirational. And yeah, 87 00:05:02,880 --> 00:05:04,919 Speaker 2: I'm just I'm so excited to have you on this 88 00:05:05,000 --> 00:05:09,000 Speaker 2: podcast and to get into your brand new book Happy. 89 00:05:09,600 --> 00:05:14,160 Speaker 2: So can you tell us a little bit about why 90 00:05:14,520 --> 00:05:18,720 Speaker 2: you chose to write about, you know, the concept of 91 00:05:18,760 --> 00:05:22,440 Speaker 2: being happy? And where that inspiration came from. 92 00:05:22,720 --> 00:05:26,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess. I mean I get emails and messages 93 00:05:27,000 --> 00:05:30,880 Speaker 1: and like dms on Instagram from people all the time, 94 00:05:31,600 --> 00:05:34,839 Speaker 1: and all of the questions and answers are things like, 95 00:05:34,880 --> 00:05:37,160 Speaker 1: you know, how have I managed to get on with 96 00:05:37,200 --> 00:05:39,360 Speaker 1: my life? How am I so happy given what I've 97 00:05:39,360 --> 00:05:42,440 Speaker 1: been through? And I when I thought about it myself, 98 00:05:42,440 --> 00:05:45,360 Speaker 1: when I reflected on how I felt about my life, 99 00:05:45,880 --> 00:05:49,120 Speaker 1: I realized I was just as happy, if not more happier, 100 00:05:49,760 --> 00:05:53,960 Speaker 1: more happy than I was before the fire. And I 101 00:05:54,000 --> 00:05:56,479 Speaker 1: thought that was really interesting that someone can go through 102 00:05:56,880 --> 00:06:00,800 Speaker 1: a catastrophic life changing experience and come out the other 103 00:06:00,960 --> 00:06:05,120 Speaker 1: side feeling really positive and happy. So I started doing 104 00:06:05,160 --> 00:06:09,600 Speaker 1: some research. I read a lot of interesting journal articles 105 00:06:09,600 --> 00:06:13,359 Speaker 1: and a lot of interesting papers, and I guess I 106 00:06:13,400 --> 00:06:14,760 Speaker 1: realized that there was a book in it, and so 107 00:06:14,800 --> 00:06:17,599 Speaker 1: I started. I started from there, and a lot of 108 00:06:17,600 --> 00:06:20,400 Speaker 1: the things I discovered in my research were things that 109 00:06:20,760 --> 00:06:23,680 Speaker 1: I already did, such as practice and gratitude. I've been 110 00:06:23,680 --> 00:06:26,919 Speaker 1: doing that, I think for at least five years now. 111 00:06:27,240 --> 00:06:30,200 Speaker 1: But there was other things I discovered, like you know 112 00:06:30,279 --> 00:06:32,440 Speaker 1: the importance of making you read in the morning that 113 00:06:32,560 --> 00:06:35,600 Speaker 1: has an impact on how you feel about your day 114 00:06:35,640 --> 00:06:41,280 Speaker 1: and how able you are to cope or handle with 115 00:06:41,360 --> 00:06:43,680 Speaker 1: whatever your day throws your way. And you know that 116 00:06:43,800 --> 00:06:46,680 Speaker 1: starts from just making your bed. So a lot of 117 00:06:46,680 --> 00:06:48,600 Speaker 1: it I already knew, but a lot of it was 118 00:06:48,720 --> 00:06:52,080 Speaker 1: new information to me, which I found really interesting. And 119 00:06:52,200 --> 00:06:54,320 Speaker 1: I guess, I guess that's why I put it in 120 00:06:54,360 --> 00:06:56,080 Speaker 1: the book, because I was really excited to share it 121 00:06:56,120 --> 00:06:56,920 Speaker 1: with a lot of people. 122 00:06:57,440 --> 00:07:01,120 Speaker 2: I absolutely love that. And I was telling Tia off 123 00:07:01,160 --> 00:07:05,000 Speaker 2: air how much of delight reading the book was, and 124 00:07:05,880 --> 00:07:08,280 Speaker 2: it like reading the book and it's you know, like 125 00:07:08,360 --> 00:07:10,920 Speaker 2: you speak like you said, you speak about concepts that 126 00:07:11,360 --> 00:07:14,600 Speaker 2: I was already doing myself and I had known about it, 127 00:07:14,680 --> 00:07:19,560 Speaker 2: but you do it in such an engaging and insightful way. 128 00:07:19,680 --> 00:07:22,560 Speaker 2: It really left an impact on me. And I was like, yes, 129 00:07:22,800 --> 00:07:25,280 Speaker 2: I need to start making my bed in the morning. 130 00:07:25,040 --> 00:07:25,400 Speaker 1: All right. 131 00:07:26,280 --> 00:07:26,440 Speaker 2: Yeah. 132 00:07:26,480 --> 00:07:30,200 Speaker 1: But like I guess, what I wanted to get across 133 00:07:30,200 --> 00:07:32,960 Speaker 1: in the book as well, was like, no one's perfect 134 00:07:32,960 --> 00:07:36,000 Speaker 1: at this stuff, you know what I mean? And I'm 135 00:07:36,040 --> 00:07:40,040 Speaker 1: the same. Some days I practiced gratitude. I sent my 136 00:07:40,120 --> 00:07:44,160 Speaker 1: day up properly. I I'm a really nice mom and 137 00:07:44,200 --> 00:07:46,840 Speaker 1: a really nice partner and a good friend and then 138 00:07:46,880 --> 00:07:50,160 Speaker 1: other days I wake up, I'm stressed, I'm tired, I'm cranky. 139 00:07:50,240 --> 00:07:52,760 Speaker 1: My babies kept me up, and I don't feel like, 140 00:07:53,160 --> 00:07:56,920 Speaker 1: you know, my best self. And then maybe on those days, 141 00:07:57,000 --> 00:08:02,320 Speaker 1: I don't make my bed, or I don't practice kindness 142 00:08:02,320 --> 00:08:04,960 Speaker 1: for someone else, or I don't make an effort with 143 00:08:05,080 --> 00:08:08,200 Speaker 1: my relationships. So I definitely, yeah, I don't want to 144 00:08:08,200 --> 00:08:10,000 Speaker 1: give any of your listeners that you know that they 145 00:08:10,080 --> 00:08:12,800 Speaker 1: have to do every single thing that I've that I've 146 00:08:12,800 --> 00:08:16,280 Speaker 1: got in the book to make themselves happier. Even just 147 00:08:16,320 --> 00:08:19,600 Speaker 1: doing one like practicing gratitude or even just trying to 148 00:08:19,640 --> 00:08:22,280 Speaker 1: get in the habit of making your bed, you know, 149 00:08:22,440 --> 00:08:24,840 Speaker 1: they'll probably feel if they do those things, I'll feel 150 00:08:24,880 --> 00:08:26,720 Speaker 1: a lot better about themselves. 151 00:08:26,760 --> 00:08:29,400 Speaker 2: One hundred percent. And that that is such a great 152 00:08:29,560 --> 00:08:32,320 Speaker 2: reminder of you know, even though you do have this 153 00:08:32,400 --> 00:08:36,000 Speaker 2: whole book full of concepts to make us happy, it's 154 00:08:36,040 --> 00:08:39,120 Speaker 2: not like you're this perfect person. And I think that 155 00:08:39,240 --> 00:08:41,480 Speaker 2: you know, that's that's life. Life is not. 156 00:08:41,600 --> 00:08:45,479 Speaker 1: Yeah, like no one's perfect, no one's perfect, but like, seriously, 157 00:08:45,559 --> 00:08:48,520 Speaker 1: that's that idea is Like it was a new concept 158 00:08:48,600 --> 00:08:51,000 Speaker 1: to me because when I was younger, I think when 159 00:08:51,040 --> 00:08:53,480 Speaker 1: I was like you know, eighteen or sixteen, I really 160 00:08:54,240 --> 00:08:57,200 Speaker 1: I really thought it was possible to be a perfect 161 00:08:57,200 --> 00:08:59,080 Speaker 1: person and to be good at everything and to be 162 00:08:59,600 --> 00:09:02,280 Speaker 1: you know, really well rounded it stuff. And now I 163 00:09:02,280 --> 00:09:03,920 Speaker 1: guess I'm just a bit older and wise of what 164 00:09:03,960 --> 00:09:09,200 Speaker 1: I've sort of realized that everyone is imperfect, Everyone has flaws. Everyone, 165 00:09:09,880 --> 00:09:12,280 Speaker 1: you know, stuffs up from time to time. And I 166 00:09:12,280 --> 00:09:14,600 Speaker 1: think just when you recognize that and you accept that, 167 00:09:16,480 --> 00:09:19,400 Speaker 1: I found it makes me a lot happier being the 168 00:09:19,440 --> 00:09:21,120 Speaker 1: person that I am. 169 00:09:21,120 --> 00:09:24,040 Speaker 2: I love that, and I often I talk about that 170 00:09:24,080 --> 00:09:26,840 Speaker 2: in the way of like we all have seasons, Like 171 00:09:26,880 --> 00:09:28,840 Speaker 2: we have seasons where you know, we might feel like 172 00:09:28,880 --> 00:09:32,679 Speaker 2: we're absolutely killing it at the gym and work, and 173 00:09:33,280 --> 00:09:35,400 Speaker 2: then we go through seasons and it's a bit of 174 00:09:35,400 --> 00:09:38,120 Speaker 2: a shit show the whole time, and you've just got 175 00:09:38,160 --> 00:09:40,560 Speaker 2: to like learn and accept and grow from them. 176 00:09:40,600 --> 00:09:41,760 Speaker 1: So totally. 177 00:09:43,160 --> 00:09:46,960 Speaker 2: Going back to Gratitude, So let me just read out 178 00:09:47,040 --> 00:09:51,280 Speaker 2: to the audience, because I absolutely love that. In the book, 179 00:09:51,520 --> 00:09:54,800 Speaker 2: you have all these different chapters. So the first chapter 180 00:09:55,000 --> 00:10:03,240 Speaker 2: is Gratitude, Morning, Routine, Zest, kindness, self talk, self love, love, money, purpose, 181 00:10:03,720 --> 00:10:08,320 Speaker 2: hard times, fun and goals. So you go through so 182 00:10:08,480 --> 00:10:10,240 Speaker 2: much in the book which I love, and I wanted 183 00:10:10,280 --> 00:10:13,680 Speaker 2: to just touch on three of my favorite chapters because, 184 00:10:14,200 --> 00:10:16,960 Speaker 2: like I said, it's concepts that I've heard before, and 185 00:10:17,040 --> 00:10:21,280 Speaker 2: I'm someone who practice, you know, gratitude every single morning too. 186 00:10:21,400 --> 00:10:25,319 Speaker 2: But for example, with the Gratitude chapter, you spoke about 187 00:10:25,320 --> 00:10:29,320 Speaker 2: this concept that is called savoring, and I was a 188 00:10:29,320 --> 00:10:32,400 Speaker 2: bit mind boggled, and I loved this, and I was 189 00:10:32,440 --> 00:10:35,720 Speaker 2: wondering if you can explain it to the audience and 190 00:10:36,320 --> 00:10:38,840 Speaker 2: explain how it contributes to your happiness. 191 00:10:39,000 --> 00:10:43,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, So savoring is like the act of stepping 192 00:10:43,400 --> 00:10:47,160 Speaker 1: outside the experience that you're in to I guess, to 193 00:10:47,240 --> 00:10:51,400 Speaker 1: review it and to appreciate it. And you know, when 194 00:10:51,400 --> 00:10:54,880 Speaker 1: you think about that, that means any experience positive old negative, 195 00:10:55,880 --> 00:10:58,560 Speaker 1: we can amplify it or we can diminish it, depending 196 00:10:58,600 --> 00:11:00,680 Speaker 1: on how much we think about it. So, like to 197 00:11:00,679 --> 00:11:03,079 Speaker 1: put that in Layman's terms, like, imagine you're eating a 198 00:11:03,120 --> 00:11:07,600 Speaker 1: chocolate chip cookie and you're eating it really mindfully, and 199 00:11:07,679 --> 00:11:10,480 Speaker 1: you might be imagining, you know, or you might be 200 00:11:10,520 --> 00:11:13,319 Speaker 1: thinking of the contrast between the dark chocolate chips and 201 00:11:13,679 --> 00:11:17,679 Speaker 1: the buttery cookie, or you know that when you get 202 00:11:17,679 --> 00:11:19,840 Speaker 1: into the shower after going to a gym class, and 203 00:11:19,880 --> 00:11:23,320 Speaker 1: you're really noticing the shower drops in your skin and 204 00:11:23,360 --> 00:11:26,240 Speaker 1: you're really relishing in it. So I think it's a 205 00:11:26,240 --> 00:11:29,559 Speaker 1: lot of it is about being mindful and really appreciating 206 00:11:29,920 --> 00:11:32,920 Speaker 1: the moment that you're presently in. And I think most 207 00:11:32,960 --> 00:11:35,720 Speaker 1: of us aren't very good at savory, and I know 208 00:11:35,800 --> 00:11:38,640 Speaker 1: for myself, I'm not very good at either. And like 209 00:11:38,800 --> 00:11:42,240 Speaker 1: you know, I'm assuming that you're probably a high achiever, 210 00:11:42,800 --> 00:11:45,440 Speaker 1: and so when you achieve something really awesome for yourself, 211 00:11:46,600 --> 00:11:50,199 Speaker 1: it's very easy to go call that's done, What's next. 212 00:11:51,000 --> 00:11:53,800 Speaker 1: And I think we really need to be mindful of 213 00:11:53,920 --> 00:11:59,040 Speaker 1: our achievements and appreciate it and relish it and be 214 00:11:59,120 --> 00:12:02,160 Speaker 1: proud of ourselves as well. So I thought savory was 215 00:12:02,200 --> 00:12:06,280 Speaker 1: really called. It was one that i'd never really I'd 216 00:12:06,320 --> 00:12:09,400 Speaker 1: never really known about either until I started researching for 217 00:12:09,520 --> 00:12:10,120 Speaker 1: this book. 218 00:12:10,920 --> 00:12:14,520 Speaker 2: I And this is exactly why I loved it, because 219 00:12:14,679 --> 00:12:16,720 Speaker 2: I am I am a bit of a high achievment 220 00:12:16,800 --> 00:12:18,840 Speaker 2: in the way that I have goals and then I 221 00:12:18,880 --> 00:12:21,160 Speaker 2: achieved them and I'm like, Okay, what's next. 222 00:12:21,320 --> 00:12:25,160 Speaker 1: So totally, but like that's that's it's like a missing 223 00:12:25,240 --> 00:12:27,920 Speaker 1: part in our goal setting process, right, because we set 224 00:12:27,960 --> 00:12:30,719 Speaker 1: these goals and we go call that starn chick. That 225 00:12:30,760 --> 00:12:32,000 Speaker 1: off the list. I'm going to move on to the 226 00:12:32,040 --> 00:12:34,920 Speaker 1: next one. But when missing that step of savoring, of 227 00:12:35,040 --> 00:12:39,079 Speaker 1: reflecting on that massive achievement that we you know, that 228 00:12:39,120 --> 00:12:43,880 Speaker 1: we accomplished, being proud of ourselves, allowing ourselves to really 229 00:12:44,400 --> 00:12:46,800 Speaker 1: soak in it and relish it. Like you said, Yeah, 230 00:12:46,920 --> 00:12:48,280 Speaker 1: it's so important. 231 00:12:49,000 --> 00:12:51,440 Speaker 2: And I even thought when I was reading the book too, 232 00:12:51,600 --> 00:12:56,080 Speaker 2: I was like, I need to celebrate the small moments. 233 00:12:55,840 --> 00:12:58,960 Speaker 1: A lot more than I totally totally. I think we all, 234 00:12:59,080 --> 00:13:02,960 Speaker 1: like all of us, could do that more. And you know, 235 00:13:03,000 --> 00:13:05,480 Speaker 1: I guess that's you know, one of the things I 236 00:13:05,520 --> 00:13:07,400 Speaker 1: talk about in the book is you know, when you 237 00:13:07,440 --> 00:13:10,640 Speaker 1: set up your day, you just think about what's one 238 00:13:10,720 --> 00:13:12,480 Speaker 1: thing that you could do in that day which would 239 00:13:12,520 --> 00:13:14,600 Speaker 1: make it a good day, and then you go and 240 00:13:14,640 --> 00:13:18,400 Speaker 1: do it. And that helps us to anticipate that that 241 00:13:18,440 --> 00:13:21,920 Speaker 1: positive experience of that positive event and look forward to it, 242 00:13:21,960 --> 00:13:25,520 Speaker 1: and that makes us enjoy our days more. So. There's 243 00:13:25,559 --> 00:13:28,360 Speaker 1: lots of cool little things like that in the book 244 00:13:28,880 --> 00:13:32,200 Speaker 1: as well. But I think my favorite chapter was really 245 00:13:32,280 --> 00:13:35,680 Speaker 1: Are Hard Times? And I put that in the book 246 00:13:35,880 --> 00:13:40,680 Speaker 1: because I think part of being happy is accepting that 247 00:13:40,720 --> 00:13:43,400 Speaker 1: we're not going to be happy all of the time. 248 00:13:44,160 --> 00:13:46,760 Speaker 1: And I think, you know, some days we are naturally happy, 249 00:13:46,800 --> 00:13:50,600 Speaker 1: we are naturally motivated, we're excited, we might be enthusiastic, 250 00:13:51,040 --> 00:13:53,200 Speaker 1: and then other days we're not. We're stressed, we're tired, 251 00:13:53,240 --> 00:13:56,080 Speaker 1: we're cranky, we're annoyed. And I think all of those 252 00:13:56,080 --> 00:14:00,680 Speaker 1: emotions are really valid. They're very normal human emotion, and 253 00:14:00,720 --> 00:14:02,839 Speaker 1: I think when we just accept them and acknowledge them 254 00:14:02,840 --> 00:14:06,200 Speaker 1: and just trying to sit with them and we just 255 00:14:06,360 --> 00:14:10,319 Speaker 1: own them, I think the faster they dissipate as well. 256 00:14:10,800 --> 00:14:13,600 Speaker 1: And it's you know, we're not bullshitting to ourselves. We're 257 00:14:13,640 --> 00:14:15,439 Speaker 1: not trying to push anything down and going no, no, no, 258 00:14:15,840 --> 00:14:19,080 Speaker 1: we're fine, everything's okay. We're just saying, yeah, this is shit. 259 00:14:19,160 --> 00:14:22,120 Speaker 1: I'm annoyed, I'm cranky, and that's fine. 260 00:14:23,120 --> 00:14:27,720 Speaker 2: One hundred percent. And I'm a new person to like 261 00:14:27,880 --> 00:14:31,160 Speaker 2: sitting with their feelings because I feel, like most humans, 262 00:14:31,680 --> 00:14:35,920 Speaker 2: I hate feeling, you know, uncomfortable. And I was reflecting 263 00:14:35,960 --> 00:14:38,000 Speaker 2: on that when I was reading that chapter two of 264 00:14:38,080 --> 00:14:41,080 Speaker 2: I was like, yes, I just need to like sit 265 00:14:41,160 --> 00:14:43,560 Speaker 2: with the feeling and be okay with it and not 266 00:14:43,640 --> 00:14:45,280 Speaker 2: kind of push it down. So much. 267 00:14:45,440 --> 00:14:47,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean when you try to push it down, 268 00:14:47,240 --> 00:14:51,520 Speaker 1: it just builds up and eventually comes out even worse. 269 00:14:52,160 --> 00:14:54,680 Speaker 1: And I think no one, no one likes feeling like 270 00:14:55,520 --> 00:14:59,280 Speaker 1: those uncomfortable feelings. No one loves feeling jealous or resentful, 271 00:14:59,520 --> 00:15:02,600 Speaker 1: or irritated or cranky. Of course, if we had our way, like, 272 00:15:03,000 --> 00:15:06,800 Speaker 1: we'd want to be feeling happy and energized and joyful 273 00:15:06,960 --> 00:15:10,960 Speaker 1: more often, but I don't think that's possible. And I 274 00:15:11,000 --> 00:15:14,120 Speaker 1: think just part of being alive and part of being 275 00:15:14,200 --> 00:15:18,920 Speaker 1: human is experiencing all of those emotions. And like I said, 276 00:15:18,960 --> 00:15:21,000 Speaker 1: when we just try and sit with them, as much 277 00:15:21,000 --> 00:15:24,840 Speaker 1: as we don't like it, the more we get used 278 00:15:24,880 --> 00:15:28,400 Speaker 1: to it. And for me, anyway, I notice that when 279 00:15:28,440 --> 00:15:32,680 Speaker 1: I accept and acknowledge how I'm feeling, the feeling tends 280 00:15:32,720 --> 00:15:36,520 Speaker 1: to dissipate way faster than if I try and bullshit 281 00:15:36,600 --> 00:15:38,760 Speaker 1: to myself and put up with a site and say no, no, no, 282 00:15:38,760 --> 00:15:41,480 Speaker 1: I'm all good, everything's fine. 283 00:15:42,720 --> 00:15:45,840 Speaker 2: Yes. I love that, And I, like you said, I 284 00:15:45,880 --> 00:15:51,920 Speaker 2: think it's huge of accepting the feeling too. Yeah it's okay, 285 00:15:52,000 --> 00:15:53,120 Speaker 2: I feel like shit today? 286 00:15:53,440 --> 00:15:56,440 Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah totally. And like if you can name 287 00:15:56,560 --> 00:15:59,760 Speaker 1: the feeling, that's great. 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Well, let's chat also 321 00:18:18,080 --> 00:18:22,200 Speaker 2: about the self love chapter because I absolutely love this 322 00:18:22,480 --> 00:18:25,520 Speaker 2: and I'm reading an excerpt from the book where you said, 323 00:18:26,119 --> 00:18:28,600 Speaker 2: at the end of the day, if you don't have 324 00:18:28,640 --> 00:18:32,200 Speaker 2: tickets on yourself, you'll miss out on the show, your show. 325 00:18:32,880 --> 00:18:36,520 Speaker 2: And I love this because often I question I get 326 00:18:36,560 --> 00:18:40,200 Speaker 2: on the Rise and Conquer Podcasts is from someone who 327 00:18:40,520 --> 00:18:43,240 Speaker 2: is either you know, they're trying something new or that 328 00:18:43,440 --> 00:18:46,480 Speaker 2: they're starting a business and they're worried what other people 329 00:18:46,520 --> 00:18:49,400 Speaker 2: are going to think or say. And so I love 330 00:18:49,440 --> 00:18:51,600 Speaker 2: that you just put this so blankly. And this is 331 00:18:51,640 --> 00:18:54,080 Speaker 2: a huge thing in the book is you know, it's 332 00:18:54,119 --> 00:18:57,000 Speaker 2: written beautifully, but there's a lot of tough love, which 333 00:18:57,000 --> 00:18:59,919 Speaker 2: I think is so needed. I was wondering if you 334 00:19:00,119 --> 00:19:02,440 Speaker 2: can expand on this topic and chat about that. 335 00:19:02,800 --> 00:19:05,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, of course, Like I think a really big part 336 00:19:05,680 --> 00:19:08,720 Speaker 1: of self love is being kinder to ourselves. Again, I 337 00:19:08,720 --> 00:19:12,920 Speaker 1: don't think women in particular, I don't think we're very 338 00:19:12,960 --> 00:19:16,840 Speaker 1: good at being really compassionate with ourselves. We're awesome at 339 00:19:16,880 --> 00:19:20,920 Speaker 1: being compassionate and kind with our kids and with our families, 340 00:19:20,960 --> 00:19:23,520 Speaker 1: and with our friends and with our partners, but when 341 00:19:23,520 --> 00:19:27,840 Speaker 1: it comes to ourselves, we're often quite mean. And so 342 00:19:27,920 --> 00:19:31,680 Speaker 1: I always, I always recommend that people try and talk 343 00:19:31,720 --> 00:19:33,800 Speaker 1: to themselves like how they would talk to their best friend, 344 00:19:34,280 --> 00:19:37,399 Speaker 1: because we wouldn't say really mean things to our best friend. 345 00:19:37,840 --> 00:19:42,320 Speaker 1: I also think it's understanding that all of us, you know, 346 00:19:42,359 --> 00:19:45,760 Speaker 1: we have feelings, we have life experiences. They may be painful. 347 00:19:46,320 --> 00:19:49,200 Speaker 1: It's okay to be upset and I think feeling all 348 00:19:49,200 --> 00:19:52,040 Speaker 1: those feelings, it doesn't mean that we're weak or that 349 00:19:52,200 --> 00:19:56,960 Speaker 1: where you know that we're flawed. It just means we're human. 350 00:19:56,960 --> 00:19:58,800 Speaker 1: And I think all of us, all of us on 351 00:19:58,840 --> 00:20:02,000 Speaker 1: this planet, we are all flawed, We are all imperfect, 352 00:20:02,320 --> 00:20:05,040 Speaker 1: and we all fuck up really on a regular basis. 353 00:20:06,160 --> 00:20:08,879 Speaker 1: And I think, you know when I talk about backing 354 00:20:08,880 --> 00:20:11,800 Speaker 1: yourself in the book, because backing yourself is another like 355 00:20:12,440 --> 00:20:16,840 Speaker 1: it's another concept that seems really far fetched. And I 356 00:20:16,840 --> 00:20:19,480 Speaker 1: don't know if you've ever had this advice when someone's like, oh, well, 357 00:20:19,520 --> 00:20:22,280 Speaker 1: just go for it, just back yourself, and it's like, yeah, 358 00:20:22,280 --> 00:20:26,520 Speaker 1: but how like how do I actually do that? And 359 00:20:28,240 --> 00:20:33,119 Speaker 1: I compare that concept of backing yourself in the book 360 00:20:33,640 --> 00:20:36,600 Speaker 1: to being you know, just like a skill, like you know, 361 00:20:37,520 --> 00:20:41,679 Speaker 1: public speaking or playing tennis or doing our makeup. I 362 00:20:41,680 --> 00:20:44,920 Speaker 1: think the more we do it, the more we practice it, 363 00:20:45,359 --> 00:20:49,119 Speaker 1: the more we evaluate our performance, I think the better 364 00:20:49,160 --> 00:20:50,359 Speaker 1: we get at it as well. 365 00:20:50,840 --> 00:20:53,679 Speaker 2: Yes, it's like it's like you know a muscle that 366 00:20:53,720 --> 00:20:57,280 Speaker 2: you need to strengthen and exercise and work. You can't 367 00:20:57,320 --> 00:21:00,320 Speaker 2: just expect it to like sure, I am, I'm sure 368 00:21:00,320 --> 00:21:03,399 Speaker 2: there's people who were born with more confidence than other people. 369 00:21:03,440 --> 00:21:06,000 Speaker 2: But one hundred percent, it's something you need to work 370 00:21:06,040 --> 00:21:09,640 Speaker 2: on and just just do it. As much as that 371 00:21:09,960 --> 00:21:13,639 Speaker 2: is scary, it's like for sure, and you'll get better at. 372 00:21:13,480 --> 00:21:15,560 Speaker 1: It, yeah, for sure. And like you know, if you 373 00:21:15,800 --> 00:21:19,960 Speaker 1: are scared of public speaking, that doesn't mean that you 374 00:21:20,000 --> 00:21:21,600 Speaker 1: need to present in front of a room full of 375 00:21:21,680 --> 00:21:24,720 Speaker 1: thousands of people. Maybe that means when you're in a 376 00:21:24,800 --> 00:21:29,199 Speaker 1: group dynamic, you can contribute something to the conversation. You know, 377 00:21:29,280 --> 00:21:31,600 Speaker 1: you can just start. You don't have to go from 378 00:21:31,680 --> 00:21:35,639 Speaker 1: zero to this massive extent straight away. You can just 379 00:21:35,680 --> 00:21:38,760 Speaker 1: start small and do things really slowly and do things 380 00:21:39,160 --> 00:21:41,200 Speaker 1: in your own time and at your own pace as well. 381 00:21:42,520 --> 00:21:46,760 Speaker 2: Yes, one hundred percent. And so another favorite chapter of 382 00:21:46,800 --> 00:21:51,280 Speaker 2: mine was Purpose, because I feel like there's almost this 383 00:21:51,440 --> 00:21:56,160 Speaker 2: conversation happening where it's like, you know, what's my life purpose? 384 00:21:56,280 --> 00:21:59,360 Speaker 2: I really want to do something with purpose, and it's 385 00:21:59,400 --> 00:22:02,000 Speaker 2: this whole or deal. And I love that in the book, 386 00:22:02,440 --> 00:22:06,520 Speaker 2: you acknowledge that everyone you know is going through different 387 00:22:06,560 --> 00:22:10,840 Speaker 2: stuff and finding different stuff they're interested in, and you 388 00:22:10,920 --> 00:22:14,080 Speaker 2: sort of explain like stop asking yourself, like what is 389 00:22:14,119 --> 00:22:16,880 Speaker 2: my purpose and what should I be doing with myself? 390 00:22:17,160 --> 00:22:20,160 Speaker 2: And then start asking yourself, like what are you interested in? 391 00:22:20,520 --> 00:22:22,879 Speaker 2: What should you try first? What do you want to 392 00:22:22,920 --> 00:22:26,720 Speaker 2: know more about? And what question do you want to answer? 393 00:22:27,200 --> 00:22:30,080 Speaker 2: I wanted to ask you, and you do. You do 394 00:22:30,200 --> 00:22:34,320 Speaker 2: explain this in the book, But with you, have you ever, 395 00:22:34,760 --> 00:22:38,359 Speaker 2: you know, questioned your purpose or has this ever been, 396 00:22:38,520 --> 00:22:40,000 Speaker 2: you know, a big question for you? 397 00:22:40,600 --> 00:22:43,040 Speaker 1: I think I definitely was when I was younger. You know, 398 00:22:43,119 --> 00:22:45,320 Speaker 1: like when you're at school and you've got all this 399 00:22:45,440 --> 00:22:48,199 Speaker 1: pressure on You're like what subjects will I choose? And 400 00:22:48,240 --> 00:22:51,000 Speaker 1: then what will my career be? And then where will 401 00:22:51,040 --> 00:22:54,119 Speaker 1: I go from there? So I think at school I 402 00:22:54,160 --> 00:22:56,000 Speaker 1: probably did put a lot of pressure on myself to 403 00:22:56,040 --> 00:23:00,199 Speaker 1: find my life purpose. Now, a couple of decades on, 404 00:23:01,000 --> 00:23:05,520 Speaker 1: I've really just taken the pressure off myself and I 405 00:23:05,560 --> 00:23:09,600 Speaker 1: don't even know what I'm doing now is my life 406 00:23:09,640 --> 00:23:12,199 Speaker 1: purpose or however you want to say it. And I 407 00:23:12,240 --> 00:23:15,800 Speaker 1: just think, well, you know what, I enjoy the work 408 00:23:15,800 --> 00:23:18,439 Speaker 1: I do right now. I'm interested in the work that 409 00:23:18,480 --> 00:23:22,280 Speaker 1: I'm doing right now. I love writing, I like, you know, 410 00:23:22,480 --> 00:23:27,000 Speaker 1: exploring different research papers and speaking to experts and happiness. 411 00:23:27,040 --> 00:23:30,600 Speaker 1: I love that and I really enjoy thinking about how 412 00:23:30,640 --> 00:23:32,800 Speaker 1: we can get happier and how we can get more confident. 413 00:23:32,880 --> 00:23:36,320 Speaker 1: So for me, I feel like, yeah, what I do now, 414 00:23:36,480 --> 00:23:40,040 Speaker 1: what I do for work, all of those questions are 415 00:23:40,119 --> 00:23:42,280 Speaker 1: answered and I feel really good about all of them. 416 00:23:42,480 --> 00:23:44,639 Speaker 1: So for any of your listeners, if they're really struggling 417 00:23:44,640 --> 00:23:47,720 Speaker 1: with this telemra of you know, finding their life purpose 418 00:23:47,800 --> 00:23:50,880 Speaker 1: and only having one career and all of those things, 419 00:23:50,920 --> 00:23:53,879 Speaker 1: I just say, like, take the pressure off yourself and 420 00:23:54,760 --> 00:23:57,919 Speaker 1: stop asking yourself those questions and just ask yourself questions 421 00:23:57,960 --> 00:24:01,359 Speaker 1: like what am I into, what do I want to try? 422 00:24:01,840 --> 00:24:03,600 Speaker 1: What do I want to know more about? And I 423 00:24:03,640 --> 00:24:06,840 Speaker 1: think when you follow your interest and when you're curious, 424 00:24:07,280 --> 00:24:09,400 Speaker 1: I think where you end up is pretty meaningful. 425 00:24:10,000 --> 00:24:14,480 Speaker 2: M And also I love in that chapter you touched 426 00:24:14,600 --> 00:24:18,160 Speaker 2: on your work not having to be your life purpose. 427 00:24:18,359 --> 00:24:22,480 Speaker 2: And I really resonated with this. In the respect of 428 00:24:22,640 --> 00:24:26,520 Speaker 2: my husband, he will like me, first, my you know 429 00:24:26,560 --> 00:24:28,960 Speaker 2: what I do with this podcast, and I own a 430 00:24:29,040 --> 00:24:32,280 Speaker 2: natural supplement company and stuff like, my work is definitely 431 00:24:32,320 --> 00:24:35,640 Speaker 2: my purpose and it's like I live, breathe, and die 432 00:24:35,720 --> 00:24:39,919 Speaker 2: for it. If that makes that way. My husband, He's 433 00:24:40,119 --> 00:24:42,600 Speaker 2: just like, look, I just want to go to work, 434 00:24:42,720 --> 00:24:45,280 Speaker 2: do my thing, and then I want to play golf 435 00:24:45,280 --> 00:24:48,159 Speaker 2: on the weekends, and you know, like he's so different, 436 00:24:48,280 --> 00:24:50,800 Speaker 2: and so I love that you can kind of have 437 00:24:51,040 --> 00:24:54,159 Speaker 2: both sides because I think sometimes we get really wrapped 438 00:24:54,240 --> 00:24:56,560 Speaker 2: up in this thing that you know, our work has 439 00:24:56,600 --> 00:24:58,680 Speaker 2: to be our life purpose, Oh. 440 00:24:58,640 --> 00:25:01,440 Speaker 1: Totally, And like that's the thing I love. I love 441 00:25:01,520 --> 00:25:05,240 Speaker 1: my work, and often on a Saturday night, I will 442 00:25:05,280 --> 00:25:09,199 Speaker 1: consciously choose to pull out my laptop and like do 443 00:25:09,320 --> 00:25:11,639 Speaker 1: something with my Yeah, yeah, I'm sure they're saying, we'll 444 00:25:11,640 --> 00:25:13,840 Speaker 1: like do something in the business, or like w out 445 00:25:13,920 --> 00:25:16,600 Speaker 1: some more or create some more content. And I think, like, 446 00:25:17,119 --> 00:25:19,199 Speaker 1: if I am doing that out of choice on a 447 00:25:19,200 --> 00:25:22,880 Speaker 1: Saturday night, that obviously means that I enjoy what I do. 448 00:25:23,440 --> 00:25:25,560 Speaker 1: But again, I want people to take the pressure of 449 00:25:25,560 --> 00:25:29,680 Speaker 1: themselves because sometimes our career or our job might not 450 00:25:29,760 --> 00:25:33,439 Speaker 1: be that meaningful for us, and I think that's fine. 451 00:25:33,840 --> 00:25:36,399 Speaker 1: You can also just take the money and run and 452 00:25:36,800 --> 00:25:39,919 Speaker 1: in your time outside of work, do things that you 453 00:25:40,000 --> 00:25:42,720 Speaker 1: really enjoy it, that you find really meaningful. So like, 454 00:25:42,760 --> 00:25:45,600 Speaker 1: there's different ways that we can get purpose, or we 455 00:25:45,640 --> 00:25:50,600 Speaker 1: can we can find that or cultivate that that kind 456 00:25:50,640 --> 00:25:53,400 Speaker 1: of reason for why we get up in the morning. Yes, 457 00:25:54,680 --> 00:25:58,280 Speaker 1: but I just yeah, but one point, well, one thing 458 00:25:58,400 --> 00:26:01,520 Speaker 1: is just like I think, all a job, no matter 459 00:26:01,520 --> 00:26:03,800 Speaker 1: what job, we have, all jobs and tell us some 460 00:26:03,880 --> 00:26:06,199 Speaker 1: kind of shit sandwich that we have to eat. So 461 00:26:06,240 --> 00:26:10,840 Speaker 1: I think with whatever, with whatever we're doing, we we 462 00:26:10,920 --> 00:26:13,280 Speaker 1: need to reabit or we need to want to eat 463 00:26:13,320 --> 00:26:17,560 Speaker 1: that hit sandwich that entails that job. Does that make sense? 464 00:26:17,920 --> 00:26:19,560 Speaker 1: So like if you want to be a vet nurse 465 00:26:19,640 --> 00:26:23,199 Speaker 1: but you don't like blood or needles, and maybe that 466 00:26:23,440 --> 00:26:26,320 Speaker 1: career choice might not be good for you. Or if 467 00:26:26,320 --> 00:26:27,680 Speaker 1: you're you know, you want to be a really great 468 00:26:27,720 --> 00:26:31,000 Speaker 1: actor but you can't handle that idea of being rejected again, 469 00:26:32,200 --> 00:26:34,240 Speaker 1: maybe that's not the best ship sandwich for you. 470 00:26:35,280 --> 00:26:38,600 Speaker 2: Mm. And that's and that's like a great point of realizing. 471 00:26:39,280 --> 00:26:42,000 Speaker 2: And you know, I'm sure people look at you and 472 00:26:42,119 --> 00:26:45,000 Speaker 2: just go, oh my god, she must just have the 473 00:26:45,040 --> 00:26:47,679 Speaker 2: best job and the best life. But it's like in 474 00:26:47,920 --> 00:26:51,919 Speaker 2: any job, there's always aspects that you don't like doing. 475 00:26:52,080 --> 00:26:55,639 Speaker 2: So yeah, I think it's important realizing that like no 476 00:26:55,680 --> 00:26:58,399 Speaker 2: one has the perfect job. It's just if you can 477 00:26:59,000 --> 00:27:01,440 Speaker 2: deal with those so great parts as well. 478 00:27:01,520 --> 00:27:04,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure. I mean I am positive even Beyonce 479 00:27:05,040 --> 00:27:08,920 Speaker 1: has elements about her job and her life that she 480 00:27:09,000 --> 00:27:09,600 Speaker 1: doesn't love. 481 00:27:10,920 --> 00:27:13,320 Speaker 2: Yes, one hundred times. I'd love to know what they are. 482 00:27:13,359 --> 00:27:17,200 Speaker 1: Though, Well, like I've seen on one of her documentaries, 483 00:27:17,800 --> 00:27:21,639 Speaker 1: she got like so sassy because I think some of 484 00:27:21,680 --> 00:27:24,600 Speaker 1: the buttons on the costume won't write. So like those 485 00:27:24,720 --> 00:27:26,479 Speaker 1: kinds of things obviously annoyed Beyonce. 486 00:27:28,400 --> 00:27:32,840 Speaker 2: Yes, first world problems, I'm sure, no, one hundred percent, 487 00:27:34,000 --> 00:27:37,160 Speaker 2: And so I would love to know what was your 488 00:27:37,359 --> 00:27:40,399 Speaker 2: favorite part about writing this book? And then what was 489 00:27:40,440 --> 00:27:41,560 Speaker 2: your least favorite part. 490 00:27:42,320 --> 00:27:45,479 Speaker 1: Look, I'm a bit of a nerd, so I created 491 00:27:45,480 --> 00:27:49,000 Speaker 1: myself a gaant chat with deadlines and kind of broke 492 00:27:49,040 --> 00:27:51,360 Speaker 1: down the book into different chapters and then worked out 493 00:27:51,359 --> 00:27:54,720 Speaker 1: how long each chapter would take to write and all 494 00:27:54,760 --> 00:27:56,639 Speaker 1: of those things. And once I've done all that, I 495 00:27:56,680 --> 00:28:00,200 Speaker 1: obviously still had to do the writing part. So I love, 496 00:28:00,280 --> 00:28:04,160 Speaker 1: I loved, I love the actual writing. But I guess 497 00:28:04,160 --> 00:28:08,320 Speaker 1: what I'm not good at is like making it all 498 00:28:08,440 --> 00:28:12,840 Speaker 1: makes sense and making it readable, Because there was large 499 00:28:12,840 --> 00:28:14,800 Speaker 1: parts of the book where I had, you know, all 500 00:28:14,840 --> 00:28:18,560 Speaker 1: these really great ideas and then no real common thread 501 00:28:18,600 --> 00:28:19,280 Speaker 1: between all of. 502 00:28:19,240 --> 00:28:23,679 Speaker 2: Them interesting, so like putting it all together in a 503 00:28:23,720 --> 00:28:24,720 Speaker 2: seamless sort of. 504 00:28:24,880 --> 00:28:27,800 Speaker 1: Yes, yes, whereas I just had like random really great 505 00:28:27,840 --> 00:28:28,680 Speaker 1: bits everywhere. 506 00:28:29,600 --> 00:28:33,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, I've never thought about that. That is so interesting. 507 00:28:34,160 --> 00:28:38,200 Speaker 1: I mean, so I work with a colleague in my team. 508 00:28:38,280 --> 00:28:41,920 Speaker 1: Her name is Grace, and she's really awesome at doing that, 509 00:28:42,200 --> 00:28:44,920 Speaker 1: at like finding the common thread of like making things 510 00:28:44,960 --> 00:28:47,960 Speaker 1: make sense. So she helped me massively in that way. 511 00:28:49,560 --> 00:28:51,200 Speaker 1: So I think, you know, large part of the credit 512 00:28:51,240 --> 00:28:53,800 Speaker 1: of the book obviously has to go to her. But yeah, 513 00:28:53,840 --> 00:28:56,280 Speaker 1: I wasn't well I'd write things, I'm like, yes, that 514 00:28:56,360 --> 00:28:58,960 Speaker 1: makes sense, and she'd be like, no, Terrea, it doesn't. 515 00:28:59,200 --> 00:29:02,880 Speaker 1: I'm telling you it doesn't make sense. So that, yeah, 516 00:29:03,080 --> 00:29:05,480 Speaker 1: that was That was a really good relationship that I had. 517 00:29:05,960 --> 00:29:09,280 Speaker 2: Hm, I bet and I think I think also that 518 00:29:09,360 --> 00:29:13,320 Speaker 2: I love that you touched on, you know, having help 519 00:29:13,880 --> 00:29:18,719 Speaker 2: and this amazing, amazing reader and book coming from you know, 520 00:29:18,840 --> 00:29:22,200 Speaker 2: a team work and that sort of ethic because you know, 521 00:29:22,240 --> 00:29:24,920 Speaker 2: you can always behind the scenes look at things and 522 00:29:25,040 --> 00:29:27,280 Speaker 2: think it just comes together seamless. 523 00:29:27,320 --> 00:29:29,959 Speaker 1: So oh, mate, with this book, there was editor, there 524 00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:33,560 Speaker 1: was editors at Random House, there was a there was 525 00:29:33,720 --> 00:29:37,040 Speaker 1: a proof reader that my editor made me rewrite the 526 00:29:37,040 --> 00:29:41,040 Speaker 1: book about, you know, ten times. There was a pr 527 00:29:41,160 --> 00:29:43,400 Speaker 1: team like that. It takes it really does take a 528 00:29:43,480 --> 00:29:47,320 Speaker 1: really I think to do, to do anything in anything 529 00:29:47,400 --> 00:29:48,440 Speaker 1: worthy in life. 530 00:29:48,760 --> 00:29:51,680 Speaker 2: One hundred and ten percent. And so the last thing 531 00:29:51,720 --> 00:29:53,800 Speaker 2: I want to touch on before I let you go, 532 00:29:53,840 --> 00:29:56,800 Speaker 2: because I know you are a very busy human, and 533 00:29:56,920 --> 00:30:01,480 Speaker 2: that is your goals chapter. And I loved this chapter 534 00:30:01,600 --> 00:30:06,239 Speaker 2: because I am a very goal orientated person, a bit 535 00:30:06,280 --> 00:30:09,320 Speaker 2: of a goal freak, if you will. And I loved 536 00:30:09,360 --> 00:30:13,080 Speaker 2: the way that you plan out your goals and you 537 00:30:13,160 --> 00:30:16,120 Speaker 2: really focus on the progress and that sort of side 538 00:30:16,160 --> 00:30:18,360 Speaker 2: of things. And I'd love for you to explain to 539 00:30:18,400 --> 00:30:21,440 Speaker 2: the audience how you plan out goals and what that 540 00:30:21,600 --> 00:30:22,560 Speaker 2: process looks like. 541 00:30:22,880 --> 00:30:25,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, first to start with that, I don't 542 00:30:25,120 --> 00:30:30,640 Speaker 1: call them goals. I call them champion quests. And then 543 00:30:30,680 --> 00:30:34,320 Speaker 1: I call them champions first short, and I realize, I 544 00:30:34,360 --> 00:30:38,360 Speaker 1: recognize that's really silly, But I also think you kind 545 00:30:38,360 --> 00:30:41,560 Speaker 1: of have to make this process fun and you have 546 00:30:41,640 --> 00:30:46,040 Speaker 1: to make it as enjoyable for yourself as you can. 547 00:30:47,320 --> 00:30:49,200 Speaker 1: I think a lot of people with their goals, they 548 00:30:49,280 --> 00:30:52,720 Speaker 1: might wonder whether the goal is right for them or 549 00:30:52,760 --> 00:30:59,040 Speaker 1: whether it will make them happier. And I guess we 550 00:30:59,200 --> 00:31:04,720 Speaker 1: don't actually never know whether pursuing a goal will be 551 00:31:04,840 --> 00:31:07,360 Speaker 1: happy with it or will be happy with the outcome 552 00:31:07,760 --> 00:31:09,320 Speaker 1: or whether we don't. And I use the example of 553 00:31:09,360 --> 00:31:12,200 Speaker 1: the book. You know, if you want to become a 554 00:31:12,320 --> 00:31:15,840 Speaker 1: hart player, you might spend thousands of dollars and a heart, 555 00:31:15,920 --> 00:31:18,960 Speaker 1: you might get the less ends, you might practice every day, 556 00:31:19,080 --> 00:31:20,920 Speaker 1: and then you might just realize one day that you 557 00:31:21,120 --> 00:31:25,440 Speaker 1: fucking hate the heart. So I think that's okay if 558 00:31:25,480 --> 00:31:28,320 Speaker 1: you start on a champion quest, if you start on 559 00:31:28,360 --> 00:31:31,800 Speaker 1: your goal journey and then you realize halfway through that 560 00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:34,680 Speaker 1: actually the goal isn't for you and you don't enjoy 561 00:31:34,720 --> 00:31:37,840 Speaker 1: doing it, I think it is perfectly fine to recognize that, 562 00:31:37,920 --> 00:31:40,280 Speaker 1: you know what, you had a crack, you don't actually 563 00:31:40,360 --> 00:31:43,000 Speaker 1: like it, and it's fine to put it aside as well. 564 00:31:44,320 --> 00:31:47,400 Speaker 2: And I think that really sort of plays into what 565 00:31:47,440 --> 00:31:50,720 Speaker 2: you were talking about when we were chatting about purpose. 566 00:31:51,000 --> 00:31:54,200 Speaker 2: And that's something like I say, like with you know 567 00:31:54,280 --> 00:31:58,560 Speaker 2: what you're doing now, don't be worried if it is 568 00:31:58,760 --> 00:32:01,760 Speaker 2: you know, the end goal and this big shiny thing, 569 00:32:02,080 --> 00:32:05,400 Speaker 2: just be like, be up for it and enjoy it 570 00:32:05,440 --> 00:32:06,520 Speaker 2: and be interested in it. 571 00:32:06,760 --> 00:32:10,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. And like you know, I always I always 572 00:32:10,560 --> 00:32:15,080 Speaker 1: give this advice that people's goals are people's champions. You know, 573 00:32:15,160 --> 00:32:18,880 Speaker 1: it's not something that we think we should do, you 574 00:32:18,920 --> 00:32:21,920 Speaker 1: know what I mean. So like some people say, oh, 575 00:32:21,960 --> 00:32:24,640 Speaker 1: I really should start running, because I don't know why, 576 00:32:25,120 --> 00:32:27,400 Speaker 1: because it you know, because all of the people I 577 00:32:27,440 --> 00:32:29,800 Speaker 1: know run. And I think if it doesn't resonate you, 578 00:32:29,880 --> 00:32:32,800 Speaker 1: if it doesn't compell you, and if it doesn't motivate you, 579 00:32:33,640 --> 00:32:36,280 Speaker 1: you're going to find it really hard to follow through. 580 00:32:36,720 --> 00:32:38,960 Speaker 1: Then you're going to feel bad on yourself for not 581 00:32:39,040 --> 00:32:41,760 Speaker 1: committing to your goal. And I think that's really ridiculous 582 00:32:41,800 --> 00:32:44,080 Speaker 1: when you are chasing a goal that you didn't actually 583 00:32:44,160 --> 00:32:47,000 Speaker 1: really want in the first place. So I think just 584 00:32:47,160 --> 00:32:49,239 Speaker 1: being honest with ourselves and ask ourselves, like, do we 585 00:32:49,320 --> 00:32:52,760 Speaker 1: actually want to do this? Are we actually willing to 586 00:32:52,760 --> 00:32:55,440 Speaker 1: eat the shit sandwich that this goal will entail? 587 00:32:56,240 --> 00:33:02,520 Speaker 2: You know, this shit sandwich? It no, one hundred percent, 588 00:33:02,560 --> 00:33:06,200 Speaker 2: And thank you for touching on that. So Touria, two 589 00:33:06,320 --> 00:33:11,400 Speaker 2: time Iron Woman, best selling author, Mum online program, so 590 00:33:11,560 --> 00:33:14,280 Speaker 2: much going on? What is next for you? 591 00:33:14,840 --> 00:33:18,920 Speaker 1: Well, look, I'm still the book has just come out, 592 00:33:19,000 --> 00:33:25,520 Speaker 1: so I'm still really savoring in that success or rashing relishing, 593 00:33:25,560 --> 00:33:28,080 Speaker 1: in that feeling of achieving a really big goal of mine. 594 00:33:28,640 --> 00:33:30,880 Speaker 1: But for next year in the business, we're going to 595 00:33:30,920 --> 00:33:34,040 Speaker 1: be doing a running program for mums, which I'm really 596 00:33:34,080 --> 00:33:37,880 Speaker 1: excited about. And I don't know twenty twenty. It's been 597 00:33:37,920 --> 00:33:39,560 Speaker 1: a bit of a curve all year, hasn't it. But 598 00:33:39,760 --> 00:33:43,760 Speaker 1: for me personally, I've had another baby this year, I've 599 00:33:43,800 --> 00:33:46,320 Speaker 1: spent a lot of time at my home on the 600 00:33:46,360 --> 00:33:50,720 Speaker 1: south coast of New South Wales. I've been really enjoying 601 00:33:50,760 --> 00:33:53,400 Speaker 1: time with my friends and family. So I think if 602 00:33:53,600 --> 00:33:56,720 Speaker 1: next year could be like somewhat similar to this year, 603 00:33:56,720 --> 00:34:01,600 Speaker 1: except you know, less coronavirus and i'd really stuck with. 604 00:34:01,600 --> 00:34:03,440 Speaker 2: That, that would be ideal. 605 00:34:03,560 --> 00:34:04,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, that would be ideal. 606 00:34:05,680 --> 00:34:10,360 Speaker 2: No, that does sound amazing. And congratulations and just congratulations 607 00:34:10,400 --> 00:34:13,000 Speaker 2: about the book. Like I said, it is an absolute 608 00:34:13,200 --> 00:34:15,960 Speaker 2: epic read. I could not recommend it to my audience 609 00:34:16,160 --> 00:34:21,120 Speaker 2: enough enough. It was so enjoyable to read. And one 610 00:34:21,200 --> 00:34:22,880 Speaker 2: last question I have for you, and this is a 611 00:34:22,960 --> 00:34:25,520 Speaker 2: question I asked all my Season three guests at the end, 612 00:34:25,880 --> 00:34:28,680 Speaker 2: is and I'm looking for a bit of a pep 613 00:34:28,719 --> 00:34:32,120 Speaker 2: talk here. So if you are stepping out of your 614 00:34:32,120 --> 00:34:35,319 Speaker 2: comfort zone, you're doing something new and you want to 615 00:34:35,360 --> 00:34:37,919 Speaker 2: do it, but you are having those you know, those 616 00:34:37,960 --> 00:34:41,920 Speaker 2: feelings of doubt creeping in what is the pep talk 617 00:34:41,960 --> 00:34:43,040 Speaker 2: that you give yourself. 618 00:34:44,040 --> 00:34:46,799 Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess the pep talk that I would give 619 00:34:46,880 --> 00:34:49,880 Speaker 1: myself is I just say to myself, like, it doesn't 620 00:34:49,880 --> 00:34:52,359 Speaker 1: matter if you don't go out there and crush it. 621 00:34:52,960 --> 00:34:54,520 Speaker 1: All you have to do is just have a go 622 00:34:55,760 --> 00:34:58,640 Speaker 1: show up. Yeah, just show up, because you know what, 623 00:34:58,880 --> 00:35:01,239 Speaker 1: every single day that you just show up, over time, 624 00:35:01,280 --> 00:35:03,839 Speaker 1: you just get better with whatever it is that you're 625 00:35:03,840 --> 00:35:06,880 Speaker 1: trying to do, whether you're wanting to learn and run again, 626 00:35:07,280 --> 00:35:11,239 Speaker 1: whether you're wanting to build your business up, whether you're 627 00:35:11,239 --> 00:35:15,239 Speaker 1: wanting to start your own podcast. You can't smash it 628 00:35:15,280 --> 00:35:18,000 Speaker 1: out of the park every single day, you know, So 629 00:35:18,160 --> 00:35:19,360 Speaker 1: just say to your stuff, all I've got to do 630 00:35:19,400 --> 00:35:21,880 Speaker 1: every day is just show up, and then over time 631 00:35:22,560 --> 00:35:24,560 Speaker 1: you will one hundred percent make progress. 632 00:35:25,800 --> 00:35:32,480 Speaker 2: Yes, Consistency is key. Yes, yes, And so Charia, where 633 00:35:32,520 --> 00:35:35,960 Speaker 2: can the audience find you and get your the hands 634 00:35:36,040 --> 00:35:37,960 Speaker 2: on the amazing book? 635 00:35:38,280 --> 00:35:41,520 Speaker 1: Oh well, they can get the book at any good bookstore. 636 00:35:41,680 --> 00:35:43,400 Speaker 1: And if they want to know a little bit more 637 00:35:43,440 --> 00:35:47,480 Speaker 1: about me, I write a weekly letter to I call 638 00:35:47,560 --> 00:35:50,240 Speaker 1: them my letter gang. To the people in my letter gang, 639 00:35:50,480 --> 00:35:52,600 Speaker 1: And so if they want to hear more tips from 640 00:35:52,600 --> 00:35:55,239 Speaker 1: me or read some more of my writing, go to 641 00:35:55,320 --> 00:35:58,000 Speaker 1: ter repit dot com, forward slash letter and they can 642 00:35:58,080 --> 00:35:59,120 Speaker 1: join up to the gang there. 643 00:36:00,400 --> 00:36:03,000 Speaker 2: Ah, thank you so much for being on the Rise 644 00:36:03,040 --> 00:36:03,960 Speaker 2: and Conquer Podcast. 645 00:36:04,120 --> 00:36:05,719 Speaker 1: No worries, mate, Hope you have a good day. 646 00:36:06,080 --> 00:36:10,920 Speaker 2: You two bye, and that is it for today's episode. 647 00:36:10,920 --> 00:36:13,560 Speaker 2: Thank you so much for listening. I hope you enjoyed 648 00:36:13,560 --> 00:36:17,760 Speaker 2: this chat. 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I'll chat to you in our next dat. 658 00:36:47,560 --> 00:37:03,240 Speaker 2: It was There's No Maid, The cause of the book.