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Speaker 1: It's a special Will and Woody podcast mini. One of

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Speaker 1: our favorite people in the studios. You then, Kylenberg's in here.

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Speaker 2: We've said it before and we'll say it again.

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Speaker 1: Not all heroes were caves, and our next guest certainly

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Speaker 1: lands in that category. He's the founder of the Resilience Project,

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Speaker 1: a program that provides practical well being strategies to build resilience.

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Speaker 1: He's worked with the likes of Dusty Martin Cricket to

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Speaker 1: Steve Smith and thousands of schools and workplaces. He's also

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Speaker 1: found time to write his second book, Let Go.

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Speaker 2: Maybe we should get him a cape.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to the show, our good friend you, Van Callenberg.

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Speaker 1: Welcome mate yourself.

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Speaker 3: I was about to clock myself here. Sorry, I was

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Speaker 3: just joining in because you guys are clupping. But it

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Speaker 3: is a wild starts going to the head as well

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Speaker 3: to welcome to me. Sorry yourself.

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Speaker 1: As much as you like, you should have blored yourself.

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Speaker 1: Your first book sold over two hundred thousand copies. Congratulations,

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Speaker 1: there was really a project. I mean, I knew it

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Speaker 1: was good when my Auntie Marghi had a copy out

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Speaker 1: in our rat and I was like, gee, whiz killing it.

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Speaker 1: I mean if you've made it to our rat you've

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Speaker 1: made it everywhere. Congratulations mate, And you've got a brand

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Speaker 1: new it's called let Go, available in all Good bookstores,

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Speaker 1: available for purchase. And the great part about this is

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Speaker 1: that I get a mention in here.

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Speaker 3: You do, which is huge. You do, You're in it.

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Speaker 3: Thank you very much for that. Really appreciate it. It's

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Speaker 3: a really important part as well. But thanks man, it's

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Speaker 3: really important.

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Speaker 2: And I haven't read the second half you I imagine my

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Speaker 2: mention is coming.

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Speaker 3: You're a bit of like it just a just assumed

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Speaker 3: when I talk about all these things that people could

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Speaker 3: imagine you as like you nowhere ego, you know you Yeah,

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Speaker 3: just good stuff really.

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Speaker 2: So you really had to read between the lines to

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Speaker 2: see my mention.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, they're really intelligent people will they'll they'll spot it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's good to know that. That's great.

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Speaker 3: I've been told the same covers very sexy and it's

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Speaker 3: a lot like you. I guess that makes it sound

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Speaker 3: like there's a lot more. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Anyway, I approached out the convement, I appreac out the government.

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Speaker 3: That's all.

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Speaker 2: What's this book about? Because obviously the first book was

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Speaker 2: such a success, well, This is.

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Speaker 3: A terrible way to start this interview. But I've done

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Speaker 3: quite a few interviews about this book and I still

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Speaker 3: don't know how to really talk about it in an

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Speaker 3: interesting way, right marketing, just because the first book it's

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Speaker 3: like it's you know, it's a beautiful thing to summarize.

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Speaker 3: I went to India and I learned these great things

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Speaker 3: helped my sister, and yeah, and there are three great

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Speaker 3: things as people do. This book was different like when

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Speaker 3: I finished. When the first book was done, Penguin Random

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Speaker 3: House said what's next, and I said, oh, no, that's it.

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Speaker 3: I've got one book in me. That's I've told you

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Speaker 3: everything that I've got, so yeah, and I kept saying,

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Speaker 3: then it wasn't until there was a pandemic and I

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Speaker 1: Jeez, I haven't got any money, Penguin.

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Speaker 2: I was just kidding. There is a second but of

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Speaker 2: course there is now about that advanced.

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Speaker 3: In the second. So in the second Lockdown, I remember

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Speaker 3: I was there were some warning signs that things weren't

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Speaker 3: It was really cold Melbourne morning, dark, miserable, and I

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Speaker 3: at Eddie my weepis going. I need help, Like I

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Speaker 3: need to go and see I tell everyone to go

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Speaker 3: and see a psychologist. I've never done this. I'm going

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Speaker 1: And I heard that's a really wonderful story that also

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Speaker 1: involves you running naked through the streets of Adelaide, and

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Speaker 1: I'm going to connect to them right up next.

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Speaker 3: That's right, what are you looking confused?

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Speaker 2: Wow?

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Speaker 1: For those of us who have read the book, and

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Speaker 1: I've got to mention in it. We know we're talking

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Speaker 1: about it. Throw up next to me the money Q

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Speaker 1: Van Colin Bear is going to stick around, don't so anyway, get.

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Speaker 2: His new book.

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Speaker 1: It's called let Go From Anywhere. Hugh Van Kylenberg from

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Speaker 1: The Resilience Project is in the studio. It also know

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Speaker 1: obviously from the Imperfect podcast with Ryan Shelton and his

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Speaker 1: new book called Let Go Perfect Christmas Gift. I'd say, Jesu,

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Speaker 3: A couple of times I thought the book would come

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Speaker 3: up for Christmas, and Peking are like, it is coming

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Speaker 1: So let go mate.

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Speaker 2: It's more about your.

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Speaker 1: And I know from reading a bit of the book

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Speaker 3: I've told so many people go and see a psychologist

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Speaker 3: and they say it's not as easy as just it's

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Speaker 1: But anyway, and there's also a bit of the supply

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Speaker 1: So yeah, it's like a dating profile though, when you're

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Speaker 3: Or you can do I did all types of things.

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Speaker 1: I know that, Hugh. One of the things that you

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Speaker 1: After five, Betty, we've got Hugh van Kylenberg in the studio.

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Speaker 2: He's got a brand new book.

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Speaker 3: It's called Let Go Perfect.

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Speaker 1: I'm sure there are so many people listening right now

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Speaker 1: all in this book, Resilience Project, Let Go Here. Van

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Speaker 1: Collenberg stripped back, mate, thank you so much for joining us.

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Speaker 3: Literally to celebrate he's going to streak through Melbourne. Mate,

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Speaker 3: I love you both so much. Thanks, thank you so much.

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Speaker 1: Mate.

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Speaker 2: Here more of your boys on the Full Show podcast.

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Speaker 3: You know you want to