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Speaker 1: And we were talking a little bit earlier this morning

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Speaker 1: to talk a little bit more about the panel that

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Speaker 1: is going to be happening is Ursula Raymond. Good morning

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Speaker 1: to you, Ursula.

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Speaker 2: Hello Katie, Katie Keny, Oh very good.

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Speaker 1: Now. The irony is not lost on me interviewing you

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Speaker 1: this morning about the panels because many years ago, you

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Speaker 1: work together on the first ever Gamalung Festival.

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Speaker 2: Right, that's exactly right. We had such fun though, didn't

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Speaker 1: Sitting in August together our home panel chats every day.

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Speaker 2: It was fun. But it's gone a long way now

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Speaker 2: that it has grown so much, and so it's great.

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Speaker 2: It's amazing that first one that we worked it's actually

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Speaker 1: It's amazing just how much it's it's grown. Urseler, I

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Speaker 1: mean talk us through you know from your perspective why

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Speaker 1: it is such an important festival to start off with.

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Speaker 2: Well, I think because it's it's local. It's very local,

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Speaker 2: who gave us the name Garamalang. It's so it's to

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Speaker 2: celebrate the Aboriginal Tosa and the people in Darwin, including

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Speaker 2: out in open opening ceremonies, free, the Mermaid exhibition tonight. Free.

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Speaker 2: You know, there's going to be food out the front

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Speaker 2: new First Nation restaurant down at Cullen. But it's just

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Speaker 2: going to be fantastic and there's so many different things

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Speaker 2: Mother's Day event, you know breakfast, which started when we

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Speaker 1: So he there is there so much on and one

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Speaker 1: going to is the panel and it's called Black Talk

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Speaker 1: and the Voice. Let's talk about the question you're going

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Speaker 1: to be moderating or hosting that. What can people expect.

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Speaker 2: Well, there's going to be a Senator Melan McCarthy's on

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Speaker 2: the panel as well as Tony McAvoy, who was the

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Speaker 2: last treaty commissioning here in order the territory and also

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Speaker 2: got who used to head up ATTIC nationally when Nattick

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Speaker 2: South Wales. So it's just wanting to talk about what

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Speaker 2: the Voice is and what it means to every day

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Speaker 2: Australian including original people and non Aboriginal people. But I

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Speaker 2: also want to talk about, you know, like what was

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Speaker 2: And also just the the stuff that's been happening in

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Speaker 2: on it, yep. And what's his name Mundane, Lauren Mundane, yep,

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Speaker 2: mean eventually. So you know, it's such a simple question,

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Speaker 1: They're really important discussions to have and and you know,

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Speaker 1: so important for Territorians to be involved in those discussions

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Speaker 1: as well. I mean, you know my background. I come

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Speaker 1: to host it, Erschler, because there's plenty of people will

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Speaker 1: know you are also the Deputy Treaty Commissioner for the

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well past, yes, yes, that job finished now since

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Speaker 2: the report right up the final important hand of that

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Speaker 2: not sure what their plan is, but you know, for it.

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Speaker 2: But I don't see that things happened with that report

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Speaker 2: So I'm not sure it's happening there. Yeah, Well would

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Speaker 2: be an opportunity lost given the work that we did, Yeah, a.

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Speaker 1: Huge volume of work and traveling right around the territory

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Speaker 1: as you touched on, you know, hearing from from territories

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right. And the thing with this referendum, I

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Speaker 2: that's what it's going to. What's going to happen if

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Speaker 2: we say yes, but we I push back on that.

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Speaker 2: We are already a divided nation. We are already you know,

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Speaker 2: faced racism all across the country's sand grants just step

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Speaker 2: There's racism right across the community for whatever reason. So

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Speaker 2: we are already divided on the Aboriginal torture on the

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Speaker 2: have to consider any advice that the average on Tarita

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Speaker 2: The advice is not binding. They do not have to

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Speaker 2: no one is going to lose anything. You're not going

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Speaker 2: you're not gonna lose your back out, You're not going

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Speaker 1: Urchla, I reckon, it's going to be a great panel

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Speaker 1: on the weekend. How can people Is this one free

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Speaker 1: or can anybody attend?

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Speaker 2: It's free? I'm pretty sure it's free and anyone can attend.

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Speaker 2: I mean that's a lot, you know, you know, book

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Speaker 2: the Dynast payment center there box office. But it's free.

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Speaker 2: I don't know as it's going to be. I know

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Speaker 2: that Tiva are going to come along and recorded live, yeah,

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Speaker 2: but otherwise I don't know what other yeah, what other

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Speaker 1: I'm just having a look on the on the website now,

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Speaker 1: on the Entertainment Center website. Now you spot on. It's free,

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Speaker 1: but you do need to make sure that your register.

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Speaker 1: I'd encourage people to get along, particularly you know, if

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Speaker 1: you do want to know more about the voice and

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Speaker 1: and and hear from those fantastic panelists and yourself. It'll

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Speaker 1: be a great discussion and well worth attending.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right, Katie. And it's not going to be

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Speaker 2: a radical discussion at all. I mean, you know, they're

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Speaker 2: radical if you're setting up for you human rights in

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Speaker 2: any sense of the word. But you know, so these

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Speaker 2: sharing exercise as well. So we hope to have Pat Anderson,

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Speaker 2: but she's had to withdraw because she's clashed with another

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Speaker 2: meaning at LaRue funnily enough, and she's from Dale, but yeah,

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Speaker 2: unfortunately not but yeah, look love, there's many people to

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Speaker 1: Oh good stuff. Well, Urschla, I always love a chat

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Speaker 1: with you. Thank you very much for coming on the.

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Speaker 2: Show this morning. It sounds like a plan.

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Speaker 1: Good on your thank you