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Speaker 1: This is the Happy Family's podcast with doctor Justin Wilson,

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Speaker 1: where Luke and Susie and this is the podcast for

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Speaker 1: the time poor parent who just wons answers.

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Speaker 2: Now as adults, sus we've all been sleep deprived grumpy teens.

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Speaker 2: At some point where someone's asked us a question, we've

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Speaker 2: had nothing more than a grunt because for whatever reason,

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Speaker 2: we've been burning the midnight all these days. It's quite

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Speaker 2: different from when we were younger, because I hear that

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Speaker 2: a lot of teens are not going to sleep because

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Speaker 2: they're facebooking and tweeting and the devices are controlling bedtime time.

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Speaker 2: But whatever is the reason for the sleep not being there,

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Speaker 2: this is not just about a grumpy, grunting team the

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Speaker 2: next morning. In fact, the consequences could be significantly greater

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Speaker 2: than that. To talk us through from Happy Families dot com,

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Speaker 2: dot you, his name is doctor Justin Wilson.

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Speaker 3: Hello, how are you gay guys? Let's talk about these

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Speaker 3: grumpy teens.

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Speaker 2: We've been there each of this, but now we're parenting,

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Speaker 2: we're worried about the consequences a little bit more that

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Speaker 2: the stats are showing that it's not We're not just

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Speaker 2: selling about a grunt and a difficult team to deal with.

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Speaker 3: We're talking about crime levels justin This.

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Speaker 4: Is a really curious study that's just come out in

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Speaker 4: the last last couple of weeks really February twenty three,

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Speaker 4: twenty seventeen, and what their researchers have discovered is that

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Speaker 4: if you have a teenager who is always tired, they're four.

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Speaker 5: Point five times more likely to commit crimes.

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Speaker 4: As adults of adults as adults. So this was a

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Speaker 4: longitudinal study. The researcher, the research has collected the data

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Speaker 4: very long study. All of this research was collected about

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Speaker 4: data as to how drowsy teens were, what kind of

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Speaker 4: backgrounds they were coming from, and all that sort of thing.

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Speaker 5: And then the researchers, after testing one hundred.

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Speaker 4: And one fifteen year old boys and we're looking at

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Speaker 4: teenage boys in the North of England, went back through

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Speaker 4: and found the records, the crime records from the Central

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Speaker 4: Criminal Records Office and how to look at which of

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Speaker 4: those original one hundred one kids had a criminal record

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Speaker 4: at age twenty nine. And what they did was just

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Speaker 4: looked at violent crimes and property offenses they weren't looking

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Speaker 4: at the little things, just the things that were worthy

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Speaker 4: of significant convictions. They found that seventeen percent of participants

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Speaker 4: nine in adulthood. And they found that there were a

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Speaker 4: couple of things that predicted it socioeconomic status. I'm sorry,

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Speaker 4: I hate saying it, but people who come from impoverished backgrounds,

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Speaker 4: the lower the socioeconomic status, the greater the risk factor.

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Speaker 5: That doesn't mean that.

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Speaker 4: People who are not wealthy are going to be criminals,

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Speaker 4: not by any stretch. What it says is it's a

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Speaker 4: risk factor because unfortunately, people from those poorer backgrounds struggle

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Speaker 4: at school, they struggle with often self control, they often

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Speaker 4: don't have the same opportunities. There's a whole lot of

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Speaker 4: structural stuff around that we don't need to go into that,

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Speaker 4: but it's definitely a risk factor. They also found that

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Speaker 4: early social adversity was another predictor of crime, but one

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Speaker 4: of the big predictors was daytime drowsiness. And what they're

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Speaker 4: basically saying is if your kids are really really tired

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Speaker 4: being inattentive their brains tend not to function as well,

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Speaker 4: they tend to exercise less self control, and fourteen years

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Speaker 4: later they're actually more likely to be involved in serious crime.

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Speaker 5: Wow.

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Speaker 3: Is that because?

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Speaker 2: I mean, maybe there's other outcomes from this, But is

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Speaker 2: it because of their learning in the formative years to

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Speaker 3: What's the cause?

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Speaker 2: How does drowsiness during the daytime connect with adult crime?

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Speaker 4: Well, I think what we're actually looking at here, if

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Speaker 5: That makes sense.

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Speaker 4: So it's not the drowsiness that's quote unquote causing crime. Rather,

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Speaker 4: daytime drowsiness is setting off a sequence of events.

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Speaker 5: If you're drowsy in the.

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Speaker 4: Daytime, you end up being inattentive at school. Poor attention

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Speaker 4: You know, you're not utilizing your brain, you're not thinking

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Speaker 4: you're at greater risk of making decisions that are dumb.

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Speaker 4: consequences of what you might do that. The take home

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Speaker 4: message is pretty simple. We need our kids to be

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Speaker 4: well rested. Sleep maybe one of the most How do

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Speaker 4: I say it, It's not a luxury item. You know

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Speaker 4: what you're like as an adult when you don't get

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Speaker 3: You're not me, I'm roses, I'm smiling.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely made.

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Speaker 4: Even when you work from home, you stub your tough on,

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Speaker 4: toe on someone's lego and carry on. It doesn't when

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Speaker 4: we're tired, It doesn't predict good outcomes. Now, if you

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Speaker 4: have chronic tiredness because you're up every night gaming or

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Speaker 5: Teenagers are doing.

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Speaker 4: When they say they're studying and you're getting four, five

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Speaker 4: that they need nine and a half ish, then that's

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Speaker 4: going to lead to much worse outcomes. Simple, get the

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Speaker 4: and you'll usually find what's reasonable. Well, every family's different.

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Speaker 4: I want to be careful with what I say, Luke.

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Speaker 1: Well, let's get a more detailed description to that answer. Shortly,

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Speaker 1: it's the Happy Families podcast with doctor Justin Colson talking

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Speaker 1: about the potential consequences of teens not getting enough sleep.

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Speaker 6: More Shortly, family life is pretty tough going. Sometimes most

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Speaker 6: days are a struggle between strong willed children and frazzled parents.

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Speaker 6: And while no parent wakes up in the morning saying

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Speaker 6: today's the day I'm going to ruin everyone's lives, it's

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Speaker 1: It's the Happy Family's podcast with doctor Justin Coulson talking

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Speaker 1: about some recent research that showed the potential outcomes of

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Speaker 1: what happens when our teens do not get enough sleep.

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Speaker 1: It could lead to criminal activity in their adult life,

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Speaker 1: Doctor Justin, But what is a reasonable amount of sleep?

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Speaker 4: I try to get my kids to be in bed,

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Speaker 4: the older ones late teens, by about nine thirty or ten,

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Speaker 4: and the younger ones by about nine eight thirty or nine.

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Speaker 4: Some people think that's crazy, But let me tell you.

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Speaker 4: I get them up at around about five thirty or six.

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Speaker 4: Some people say, how do you get your teenagers out

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Speaker 4: of bed at five thirty or six?

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Speaker 5: Well, that's easy. I put them to bed at about

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Speaker 5: nine o'clock. How do you do that? Easy? I get

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Speaker 3: Here's a cycle.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we've actually pre teens are going to be interested

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Speaker 2: to see how tyson who's seven gets to that point

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Speaker 3: Just naturally gets up. But gosh, yeah, four or five.

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Speaker 5: That'll change though.

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Speaker 4: Once Here's what happens. This is something that people don't

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Speaker 4: understand a lot about teenagers. We have this hormone in

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Speaker 4: our body called melatonin. Melotonin is the sleepy hormone.

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Speaker 5: If you can't get.

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Speaker 4: To sleep, often a GP will prescribe some melotonin too

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Speaker 4: more melotonin and you feel drowsy and you're not off.

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Speaker 5: That's what we need. We need melotonin.

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Speaker 4: In adults and in children, we start producing that melotonin

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Speaker 4: they seem to produce it approximately two hours later. So

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Speaker 4: you know, when it's eight thirty and you're going to

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Speaker 4: say to the kids, would you just go to sleep?

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Speaker 4: I can't keep my eyes open because you know, once

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Speaker 4: you get past about thirty five, eight thirty is a

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Speaker 3: It's a big night.

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Speaker 5: If you're still going at ninety th that's it.

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Speaker 4: And so the teenagers, you know, we're saying that to

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Speaker 4: them at eight thirty because we're exhausted, but the melatonin

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Speaker 5: They've got another good couple of hours to go.

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Speaker 4: You combine that with the excitatory stimulation of a screen

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Speaker 4: I got hours in me.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm not going to see yet. So we need

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Speaker 4: But encourage them, you know, dim the lights, get the

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Speaker 2: So am I if I'm picking up what you're putting down,

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Speaker 2: you're saying drug your teens with melotonin.

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Speaker 5: I'm not that kind of.

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Speaker 1: I'm just wondering what kind of screens your kids are

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Speaker 1: it's good to know and good to be aware of

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Speaker 1: if you're in the middle of the teenage years, to

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Speaker 1: know there's something you can do if you're approaching them,

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Speaker 1: to start preparing and thinking about how the family life

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Speaker 1: style will work to ensure that teens can get enough sleep.

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Speaker 2: And when you fight with them over bedtime, you can

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Speaker 2: just say, look, I'm saving you from a life of crime.

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Speaker 5: Like your foreign house is more likely to not connect crime.

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Speaker 5: Go to sleep right now.

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Speaker 1: That's right, because if there's something teens connect with, its.

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Speaker 3: Facts, decisions that impact the future, that's right.

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Speaker 1: That's exactly right, Doctor Dustinkilson, thank you so much for

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Speaker 1: your time.

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Speaker 3: We really appreciate it.

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Speaker 1: And if you want some more information, any and all

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Speaker 1: of Justin's resources are available books, podcast programs at Happy

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Speaker 1: of topics relating to the wellbeing of your whole family,

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