Speaker 1: Hello.
Speaker 2: My name's Santasha Nabananga Bamblet. I'm a proud Yr the
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Speaker 1: Let's get into it.
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Speaker 4: Hello, and welcome to She's on the Money, the podcast
Speaker 4: for millennials who want financial freedom. Today, I have a
Speaker 4: Victoria di Vine with me day Victoria, Oh.
Speaker 5: Good day mate. This is an Australian podcast, now, is it?
Speaker 4: Yeah? I feel like we should do the whole podcast
Speaker 4: as Americans trying to be Australian.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, all right, right right?
Speaker 2: Is that?
Speaker 4: Alright?
Speaker 2: Oh?
Speaker 4: I can't do it. I actually kind of le's move.
Speaker 5: On because it's terrifying when we were in America. Actually,
Speaker 5: I went to Finkoln last year, which you guys probably
Speaker 5: know because I keep talking about it because I was
Speaker 5: obsessed with it.
Speaker 1: It just made me so aware of my own accent.
Speaker 5: I felt like such a bogain and I genuinely exist
Speaker 5: in a sphere where I think, oh, like, I'm relatively well,
Speaker 5: you know, well spoken, I'm all right, I'm pretty articulate.
Speaker 1: I did not feel like that in America.
Speaker 5: I felt like the biggest bogan and people would like
Speaker 5: look at me and be like, oh, you're from Australia
Speaker 5: and I'd be like, oh gosh.
Speaker 4: They really articulate their words there.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and just the intonation at the end, like we
Speaker 5: have everything as a question and they're just so much
Speaker 5: more assertive. So anyway, moving on, what are we talking
Speaker 5: about today?
Speaker 6: Beck?
Speaker 4: Okay, so today we're talking about ethical and sustainable fascion
Speaker 4: fush On. Is this something that you're familiar with?
Speaker 5: I am, and I'm quite passionate about it. We actually
Speaker 5: did an episode way back when, I think probably in
Speaker 5: season one if She's on the Money, which if you
Speaker 5: are new to She's on the Money, I actually don't
Speaker 5: recommend you go and listen to. And I say that
Speaker 5: because I'm embarrassed of who I was as a person,
Speaker 5: and how nervous I used to be behind the microphone
Speaker 5: and how planned I would be and I would make
Speaker 5: sure that everything was correct. So don't do that, But
Speaker 5: if you do, thanks to the listens really helps me out.
Speaker 5: But today we are talking about ethical and sustainable fashion
Speaker 5: versus fast fashion, and I think this is a topic
Speaker 5: of debate not only in our community, but in a
Speaker 5: lot of other communities. I'm seeing it a lot pop
Speaker 5: up in I guess pop culture references. I am, if anything,
Speaker 5: addicted to drama. I don't like being involved in the drama.
Speaker 5: But I want to be like the fly on the
Speaker 5: wall when it comes to other people's drama. I don't
Speaker 5: want to talk about it, like I'm not going to
Speaker 5: have a chat about it.
Speaker 1: I just want to read about it.
Speaker 4: And be about it. Watching here a big.
Speaker 5: Gossipy So I love a pop culture podcasts Facebook group
Speaker 5: and a few of them. Just like reading through the comments,
Speaker 5: you best believe I've read them. Will I ever comment?
Speaker 5: Absolutely not, Like I don't want to be involved. Will
Speaker 5: I share anything that I see in there with you back? No,
Speaker 5: because I don't want to be embarrassed of what I've
Speaker 5: read and what I thought.
Speaker 4: Was interesting, but I'll probably find it interesting too.
Speaker 5: I mean, this is where these topics come from, so
Speaker 5: you guys better find this interesting as well.
Speaker 4: It's not worth your time.
Speaker 5: But essentially, I know we all prefer to be ethical
Speaker 5: and sustainable in our choices. Right in a perfect world,
Speaker 5: fast Fashion wouldn't exist. But I think that there is
Speaker 5: a big conversation to be had around why it does
Speaker 5: and why it's successful, but also privilege when it comes
Speaker 5: to being able to choose ethical and sustainable choices, because
Speaker 5: there's obviously a cost to those items that most people
Speaker 5: can't budget for. And I think at the moment, obviously
Speaker 5: with influencers buying a lot of items off sheen like,
Speaker 5: it makes me really frustrated because I know that they
Speaker 5: can afford more and they can do better, and I
Speaker 5: feel like if you're in the position and in the
Speaker 5: very privileged position of being able to do better, you
Speaker 5: should be. But I also want to address the fact
Speaker 5: that people shouldn't be shamed for purchasing fast fashion because
Speaker 5: you never know their financial circumstances. And we're going to
Speaker 5: talk a little bit about I guess how to one
Speaker 5: dispel that, but also how to approach it if your
Speaker 5: budget only allows for fast fashion and making that okay
Speaker 5: because I think too many times like who doesn't love
Speaker 5: a fourd dollar singlet from Kmart?
Speaker 1: I love? But do you know what I mean?
Speaker 5: Let's be honest, like if I could buy something and
Speaker 5: I don't nowadays because again privileged position to be in,
Speaker 5: I can make more sustainable and ethical choices, and I
Speaker 5: am so grateful that I can.
Speaker 1: Who doesn't love a four dollar singlet?
Speaker 2: Though?
Speaker 4: Like surface level, surface level, that is.
Speaker 1: A money win?
Speaker 4: Yeah? Is it a money you win for other people
Speaker 4: involved in that supply chain? Probably not? And we can
Speaker 4: talk about that. But I just think that.
Speaker 5: Sometimes the Internet goes wild and jumps down people's throats
Speaker 5: and we really need to talk about the flip side
Speaker 5: of things. And obviously the negative impacts of fast fashion
Speaker 5: are really bad for the environment, They are shocking when
Speaker 5: it comes to human rights, but we often don't think
Speaker 5: about how much those impulse purchases add up over the
Speaker 5: years and how much can actually cost you more than
Speaker 5: an expensive and considered purchase.
Speaker 1: That you actually wear a lot.
Speaker 5: Right, And again again that plays into privilege, and there
Speaker 5: are a lot of people even in our community, right,
Speaker 5: And it goes back to school shoes. Like there's this
Speaker 5: example of school shoes. Do you remember at school, like
Speaker 5: the popular school shoes the Harrisons. I think so I
Speaker 5: had like docks and yeah, cool girl stuff, right, Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 5: Docs are a really well made shoe.
Speaker 1: Yeah they are very expensive.
Speaker 5: A pair of Harrison school shoes, which are the ones
Speaker 5: that I used to were really cool, you know, like
Speaker 5: the t bar ones with the butterfly platform, and yeah,
Speaker 5: they're the ones I really wanted to but they were
Speaker 5: so expensive. Not everybody has the budget to buy their
Speaker 5: child the best school shoes. But if you're going to
Speaker 5: Kman buying fifteen dollar school shoes and that's all you
Speaker 5: can afford, one, that's okay, but two, you're probably going
Speaker 5: to find yourself in the position where you have to
Speaker 5: buy five or six pairs of those fifteen dollars school
Speaker 5: shoes over the year because you just don't have the
Speaker 5: budget to make that one hundred dollar purchase at the
Speaker 5: beginning of the year. So I think that we need
Speaker 5: to play into that side of it as well and
Speaker 5: talk about the privilege of actually being able to afford
Speaker 5: buy it once, buy it right kind of mentality, because
Speaker 5: we don't all have that like we can't all just
Speaker 5: go all right, well, need to get my daughter school shoes.
Speaker 5: It would be a better investment to just buy the
Speaker 5: first one. We all know that. We all know that,
Speaker 5: but like genuinely back and I guess this goes back
Speaker 5: to conversations you and I have had about your upbringing.
Speaker 1: That's not an option. No, like your mum's not going
Speaker 1: to be like, you.
Speaker 4: Know what, it's better investment, beck if we just buy
Speaker 4: it once and right? Yeah, no, share are you getting
Speaker 4: this money?
Speaker 1: Where are you getting this money from?
Speaker 2: Like?
Speaker 5: Where can we get a cheap pair of school shoes
Speaker 5: that are going to do the job to get it
Speaker 5: done so that you can go to school and get
Speaker 5: your education and not put me into significant debt.
Speaker 1: And I'm already in debt.
Speaker 5: Yeah, anyway, we can go on and on and about this,
Speaker 5: but there are so many forces that exist to keep
Speaker 5: us trapped in this cycle of consumption and just feeling
Speaker 5: like we're not enough unless we have the next thing.
Speaker 5: On social media and to be honest, like, let's be honest,
Speaker 5: I am human too.
Speaker 4: I see stuff on Instagram all the time that I'm.
Speaker 5: Like, oh that might be nice, so on that and
Speaker 5: I know you beck, I am you, Like, I'm exactly
Speaker 5: like everybody that listens to this podcast, Like, it's not
Speaker 5: something that I'm immune to. And if this resonates with
Speaker 5: you might actually get something out of our episodes on
Speaker 5: spending addiction.
Speaker 1: You might not how a.
Speaker 5: Spending addiction, but there might be a few things that
Speaker 5: we could pull back on. Was from October twelfth last year.
Speaker 1: One hundred pcent.
Speaker 4: It's kind of like it's exactly what we kind of
Speaker 4: talk about sometimes, like keeping up with the Joneses and
Speaker 4: wanting like the newest the and like keeping up with
Speaker 4: the trends.
Speaker 5: Yeah, one hundred percent. I want to be a fashion queen.
Speaker 5: I'm not a fashion queen. I think just thank you,
Speaker 5: thank you. It's because sometimes Jess or do Yabby tell
Speaker 5: me what to buy. I see yeah yeah yeah, I'm
Speaker 5: like is this cute? And they're like, yeah, I would
Speaker 5: go with these shoes, and so I only wear that combination. Yeah, Like,
Speaker 5: I'm not going to mix it up. I'm not going
Speaker 5: to change it need anything else. Yeah, and sometimes this
Speaker 5: is a bit naughty, but I will spend more than
Speaker 5: I should. Like, if I'm like, oh I really want
Speaker 5: a new top, I'll go into the store, and if
Speaker 5: the mannequin has the top with the skirt, I'll be like, oh, okay,
Speaker 5: so those go together.
Speaker 1: I'll purchase that. I love that people think I'm fashion.
Speaker 5: I get such a kick when people message me like,
Speaker 5: oh where's that from? I'm like, haha, I'm a fashion girlie.
Speaker 1: I'm not. I'm really not.
Speaker 4: I try so hard you do. My sister is a
Speaker 4: fashion giralie.
Speaker 5: Like she is one of those people that can just
Speaker 5: like throw together outfits and actually like look really good.
Speaker 5: She just knows whereas I'm like, yes, I know of
Speaker 5: these three.
Speaker 4: Stores, that is it. I'll be like, oh, where's that
Speaker 4: top from?
Speaker 5: And She'll be like, oh, it's from this like eclectic label,
Speaker 5: and like how do you even learn that?
Speaker 1: Where do you find that?
Speaker 4: I know? Where do these? Where are these places? Yeah?
Speaker 5: Like I've never heard of that brand in my entire life,
Speaker 5: so I google it and then I copy my sister too.
Speaker 5: So if you would like fashion advice, it shouldn't be
Speaker 5: from me. But you're right keeping up with the Joneses
Speaker 5: genuinely sometimes feels like a race.
Speaker 4: What are your clothes buying habits? I feel like you're
Speaker 4: going to be better than me. I'm really ashamed to
Speaker 4: say that I have a little bit of, like a
Speaker 4: very specific germophobia, and I would like to throw them
Speaker 4: phobia a little bit. Yeah, Okay, I guess.
Speaker 5: That's not what I thought was going to be discussed
Speaker 5: when we were talking about it.
Speaker 4: Kind of is relevant. I would love to thrift shop
Speaker 4: because I see clothes in, you know, the op shops,
Speaker 4: and I'm like, that looks really cool, and you know,
Speaker 4: but yeah, I just don't like dust. I don't like dust.
Speaker 4: I don't like the smell of dust. I don't like
Speaker 4: anything dusty. And I know, but it's in my head.
Speaker 4: It's very rational. It's very rational. I need to buy
Speaker 4: you a bottle of the dead old wash. You could
Speaker 4: buy me op shop clothes and tell me that they're new,
Speaker 4: that they're new, but you know, and so I do
Speaker 4: go to play can I ruin this for you?
Speaker 2: Oh my?
Speaker 5: So in my head, right, the supply chain of an
Speaker 5: opshop goes like this, someone who.
Speaker 1: Has been at their house.
Speaker 5: They are probably very clean, and they've done their washing
Speaker 5: and they pulled all their washing away, and then one
Speaker 5: day they're like, oh, I really need to clean.
Speaker 1: Out my wardrobe.
Speaker 5: Beck so they go through their clean wardrobe and they
Speaker 5: pull out clothes and then they donate it to a
Speaker 5: local op shop and the op shop looks at it
Speaker 5: and says, that's clean. We'll put it on a coat
Speaker 5: hanger and put it in the shop. Okay, all right,
Speaker 5: no worries. Clothes that come from China have been dragged
Speaker 5: around a factory floor. They have been in big rolls
Speaker 5: of stuff, probably covered in a whole heap of chemicals
Speaker 5: and sprays and things that maybe aren't allowed in Australia.
Speaker 5: And then they're cut on big machines that they definitely
Speaker 5: haven't disinfected them because it's not a food environment, they
Speaker 5: don't need to do that. And then they roll these
Speaker 5: clothes out and then somebody who you can't guarantee that
Speaker 5: they washed their hands, folds your T shirt and puts
Speaker 5: it in a box that then goes into a store
Speaker 5: over here after being shipped internationally and to seagull it
Speaker 5: pooped on the top of that ship in container and
Speaker 5: then it's in the store.
Speaker 4: My series saying.
Speaker 5: It's in the store, and because it's a big store
Speaker 5: like Kmart, right, heaps of kids go to Kmart and
Speaker 5: they have sticky little fingers and while their mums are shopping,
Speaker 5: they're touching everything and running in between the clothes.
Speaker 4: Wow, Okay, have I ruined it? I think yes, for
Speaker 4: good reason.
Speaker 5: If somebody went and bought that Kmart T shirt and
Speaker 5: took it home and then used omo and then just
Speaker 5: sent it to the op shop, it's better supply chain
Speaker 5: when it comes to gems. I'm glad that this has
Speaker 5: been our conversation. That supply chain is entirely fictional.
Speaker 1: I made it up. Whether that's true or not, I
Speaker 1: don't know.
Speaker 5: No, But I need this because I feel like Mum
Speaker 5: did this to me because one time I bought new
Speaker 5: sheets and I tried to put them strang r on
Speaker 5: my bed and she was like, ah no, And that's
Speaker 5: basically what my mum did for me. Now, there's no
Speaker 5: way I would buy sheets and put them straight on
Speaker 5: my bed.
Speaker 4: I have to wash it first. I'm glad that you
Speaker 4: told me that I'm a nice lady, very nicely. I
Speaker 4: need to get to this mindset, you know what I mean.
Speaker 5: But no, it's instead of you just being anxious about
Speaker 5: op shopping, No, you're anxious about all shopping.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and never buy clothes ever again. Money win, But
Speaker 4: kind of to bring it back. I only ever buy
Speaker 4: uniclo or Target clothes, and you can probably see that
Speaker 4: by looking at me.
Speaker 1: I wear the same thing every single day, and.
Speaker 4: I'm okay with it.
Speaker 1: Do you know what I've never noticed?
Speaker 4: Oh that's too Actually wear that T shirt. No you're
Speaker 4: making that up. No different colors, this exact T shirt.
Speaker 5: That's the Unicloth T shirt, isn't it. Yeah, it's a
Speaker 5: good quality T shirt, very.
Speaker 4: Well quality T shirt, like a nineteen bucks. Yep, money win.
Speaker 4: We can't argue about that.
Speaker 5: But let's get back into the actual episode and talk
Speaker 5: about fast fashion for a hot minute, because although I
Speaker 5: am personally in the position to spend more on clothes,
Speaker 5: there's always that pull regardless of what your budget looks like.
Speaker 5: Always find yourself getting caught up in sales. And I've
Speaker 5: definitely bought stuff that I ended up not wearing before.
Speaker 5: So before the arrival of fast fashion, fashion used to
Speaker 5: have essentially two seasons a year. It would be like
Speaker 5: summer and winter, which resulted in batches of garments coming
Speaker 5: out and being produced over twelve months. And it was
Speaker 5: again a lot more sustainable fast fashion now compared to
Speaker 5: those two seasons Summer and winter, which makes sense, right,
Speaker 5: just need a T shirt or you might need a jacket,
Speaker 5: don't know. Fast fashion has around fifty two seasons a year.
Speaker 5: That's one a week. Wow, on a week, and a
Speaker 5: single brand can produce four hundred different styles dropping in
Speaker 5: stores every single week.
Speaker 1: Wow, isn't that wild?
Speaker 4: That is wild?
Speaker 5: And Beck, we spoke about this in the first episode
Speaker 5: we did on sustainable fashion, But the numbers are disgusting.
Speaker 5: Did you know that six thousand kilograms of clothing going
Speaker 5: to landfill every single ten minutes?
Speaker 4: Landfill?
Speaker 1: Landfill in the bin.
Speaker 4: In the rubbi wish goods in the rubbish, straight and mush.
Speaker 1: It really upsets me as well.
Speaker 5: And I think it's one of those things that we're
Speaker 5: just so frivolous and fast fashion is just that it's fast.
Speaker 5: Like the reason they construct it poorly is because they
Speaker 5: just know that there's not the longevity there. Like your
Speaker 5: Uniclo T shirt is constructed really well and that's why
Speaker 5: you're buying it and you're going to get a lot
Speaker 5: of wear out of that. But if you go to
Speaker 5: a lot of fast fashion retailers, and it's interesting because
Speaker 5: you see a lot of conversation online about people saying, oh,
Speaker 5: the quality of X brand has been slipping over the years.
Speaker 5: That's purposeful from them, Like it's purposeful from them for
Speaker 5: a number of reasons. One because it lowers their production costs,
Speaker 5: because less quality means less time, energy and effort means
Speaker 5: less money going through things, so that increases their bottom line.
Speaker 5: But the second part of that is they know they
Speaker 5: can do that and get away with it because you're
Speaker 5: only going to wear it for one season. It's not
Speaker 5: a coach that you're purchasing and you're going to wear
Speaker 5: for the next ten years. And that would be, you know,
Speaker 5: really bad for their brand. And if it came out
Speaker 5: that they had you know, compromised quality, they don't care
Speaker 5: because you're just going to buy next season's coat anyway,
Speaker 5: So why would we construct this one? Well, makes no sense,
Speaker 5: So you throw it away. And we are in this
Speaker 5: world where everything seems disposable, right, And I think this
Speaker 5: extends to literally every facet of our lives. And you
Speaker 5: see this, and I'm on TikTok a lot, I see
Speaker 5: this in literally every facet but fashion, beauty, home, weares
Speaker 5: have become really disposable. Like I remember growing up and
Speaker 5: I had the same doing a cover literally my entire childhood.
Speaker 4: Yeah, seen fruitball step And I.
Speaker 5: Feel like everyone on TikTok is restyling their house every
Speaker 5: two seconds, like Camart drops a new season of Home Weares,
Speaker 5: and like every man and his dog has restyled their
Speaker 5: entire entertainment unit. And I'm like, oh, I've just got
Speaker 5: that photo of my sister that my mum gave me
Speaker 5: for my birth day when I was fourteen, still sitting there, like,
Speaker 5: and it's interesting because everything's disposable. And I would even
Speaker 5: extend that to relationships, like people are finding other people
Speaker 5: even just posable, and I just think that that is crazy.
Speaker 5: But I don't think it's much of a reach to
Speaker 5: say that, because I think other people would agree that
Speaker 5: we just have less timeless energy, less effort for things,
Speaker 5: and our mentality has changed, and it's not necessarily because
Speaker 5: we're just existing in a post war era, right, Like
Speaker 5: I remember when your grandparents used to say things like, oh,
Speaker 5: in my day, we used to fix it, and like
Speaker 5: my grandparents fix everything. You can't fix our stuff anymore
Speaker 5: because when it breaks, it's really broken. You can't fix
Speaker 5: a plastic kettle. You can't, you literally can't. But if
Speaker 5: it was like a cast iron kettle like my grandparents had,
Speaker 5: Like if something happened to it, they'd resolder it and
Speaker 5: it would actually be fixable. It's not just because we've
Speaker 5: changed our minds and decided like, oh, we don't care
Speaker 5: about fixing things anymore.
Speaker 1: There's no point.
Speaker 5: Things don't last anymore. And that's purposeful because it's this
Speaker 5: circle of consumption, and it keeps you in this circle
Speaker 5: of consumption. It keeps you trapped, and that's the point.
Speaker 4: Planned that's less points.
Speaker 5: Yeah, exactly, planned ops are less since is absolutely what
Speaker 5: it is, and it keeps you in this cycle because
Speaker 5: it's now more about driving sales.
Speaker 1: And why would I build it?
Speaker 5: Well, if it means that you'll come back in twelve
Speaker 5: months and get another one, that is so true. It
Speaker 5: just makes sense, right, So let's move on from that,
Speaker 5: because I feel like I got a rant for literal
Speaker 5: days about this whole planned obsolescence.
Speaker 4: I would love to hear it. Well.
Speaker 5: Even Apple was found to actually build in planned obsolescence
Speaker 5: into iPhones.
Speaker 4: Don't get into.
Speaker 5: Their battery life, right, like, isn't it wild? And they
Speaker 5: know what they're doing and they're doing it to get
Speaker 5: you to buy the next one. Psychology comes into this
Speaker 5: so deeply, like it's marketing, it's branding. Things have changed,
Speaker 5: and it's not just around the product quality, but it's
Speaker 5: about them helping to change your mindset.
Speaker 1: So you just go, oh, well, well well just buy
Speaker 1: another one.
Speaker 5: That's sign things are into break washed things a men
Speaker 5: to break right, No, absolutely.
Speaker 1: Not anyway, we could go on and on and on.
Speaker 4: I'm slowly realizing that I don't fully know what ethic
Speaker 4: on sustainable fashion is. So let's get the lingo down. Okay,
Speaker 4: can you explain this to I'm the cool girl, I
Speaker 4: know the linu.
Speaker 5: So, ethical fashion generally covers the entire production process from
Speaker 5: cotton seed to the finished garment, and it actually focuses
Speaker 5: on the fair treatment of people at every single stage
Speaker 5: along that supply chain, which I think is really really important.
Speaker 5: And brands who we deem to be ethical fashion brands
Speaker 5: they respect and they recognize every single person involved in
Speaker 5: that supply chain from turning raw materials into wearable clothes
Speaker 5: that are hanging in your wardrobe. And they ensure that
Speaker 5: individuals are paid fairly for their skills, and they work
Speaker 5: in a safe environment, and they are appreciated for their
Speaker 5: talents just as human beings, rather than just being a
Speaker 5: cog in the system, which that's so good we can
Speaker 5: all agree is very important, definitely, definitely when it comes
Speaker 5: to sustainable fashion, that actually is more about asking a question,
Speaker 5: not so much a process. Can we actually keep producing
Speaker 5: fashion while leaving more of a lighter on neutral footprint
Speaker 5: on the planet. And a brand considers their design process
Speaker 5: and tries to have minimal or no waste when using products,
Speaker 5: and they look at where they're fabrics and their threads
Speaker 5: and their buttons and their zippers and stuff like that
Speaker 5: are sourced from, and are they actually sustainable sauces. They
Speaker 5: look into things like making sure that they're reducing the
Speaker 5: amount of energy that they use, and they recycle along
Speaker 5: the way all of the elements that they might not use.
Speaker 5: And the most sustainable fashion brands are now working on
Speaker 5: what's called a circulatory system in the supply chain and
Speaker 5: the end of life process of a garment once you're
Speaker 5: done wearing it. So while a fashion brand can be
Speaker 5: more sustainable, there's actually no such thing as one hundred
Speaker 5: percent sustainable fashion. But also the other point that I
Speaker 5: want to make here is, you know, how we talk
Speaker 5: about when it comes to investing greenwashing. They're doing that
Speaker 5: in fashion too, and the biggest retailer, I'm saying, doing
Speaker 5: it and I don't know if I'm going to get
Speaker 5: in trouble for this, Bongoon do it anyway is H
Speaker 5: and M. So H and M have If you've been
Speaker 5: into one of their stores, they're one of the biggest
Speaker 5: fast fashion brands in the world. They are doing this
Speaker 5: in stores now where they're like, oh, you can recycle
Speaker 5: your clothes here, it's more sustainable, it's more ethical. It's
Speaker 5: this and they have these big donation bins in their
Speaker 5: stores so that you feel better about it and you
Speaker 5: start associating with its like sustainable and ethical with them,
Speaker 5: when that's not actually the case. So it's green washing
Speaker 5: at its finest because if you go in there, right,
Speaker 5: you're standing at the checkout and then there's this big
Speaker 5: bin and they're talking about their more sustainable green choices,
Speaker 5: like cool, let's sick about it.
Speaker 1: What are they doing with those clothes?
Speaker 5: Yeah, they're just donating them in the same way you
Speaker 5: would if you would diet them. So they're just disposing
Speaker 5: of them. Are they making them into fashion items that
Speaker 5: can be recycled, Like, are they looking at that end
Speaker 5: of life process and going okay, cool, Beck's done with
Speaker 5: her T shirt. We're going to use this product to
Speaker 5: create another product and therefore recycling.
Speaker 1: No, that's not the case. They're just going to donate it.
Speaker 5: Oh okay, bros Hey, Yeah, all the bells and whistles,
Speaker 5: but really yeah, and lots of people do coppy, lots
Speaker 5: of people do it. If they even do it in
Speaker 5: the investment world, it is not actually uncommon, which again really.
Speaker 4: Grows my faith in humanity is getting lower by the day.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the longer you know me, the less you'll like
Speaker 1: the world.
Speaker 4: Your look, thank you. So a point to make is
Speaker 4: that all of our ethics are different, right, So this
Speaker 4: applies to fashion two and so a fashion brand can
Speaker 4: be ethical when it comes to human rights, but not
Speaker 4: sustainable with its fabrics and environmental practices. A brand can
Speaker 4: also be sustainable and completely disregard human rights. And if
Speaker 4: you throw in the ethics of animal rights, and then
Speaker 4: you have a whole other issue to consider.
Speaker 5: Absolutely, which is exactly why we aren't going to give
Speaker 5: you a list of brands today. I think a lot
Speaker 5: of people ask for stuff like that and I've seen
Speaker 5: a few different fashion pages listing out like here ethical brands,
Speaker 5: but like, you can never guarantee it, and I think
Speaker 5: it's important for you to do your own research, just
Speaker 5: like the investment world, make a decision on what aligns
Speaker 5: to your values, because your values are not my values,
Speaker 5: and me giving you a list based on my values, to.
Speaker 1: Be honest, gives me the ick.
Speaker 5: That's fair that it does, Like it just seems kind
Speaker 5: of rude for me to go through and be like
Speaker 5: if these pass my vibe check, I'm like, okay, why
Speaker 5: do I think I've got so many tickets that they
Speaker 5: should pass everybody?
Speaker 4: I would subscribe to that, But how do we actually know?
Speaker 4: Like how can we check if a clothing brand is ethical?
Speaker 1: Yeah, so it's really hard.
Speaker 5: It is actually really hard because a lot of these
Speaker 5: processes I don't want to say are secretive, but like
Speaker 5: it's not actually a lot of our business.
Speaker 1: How a business does business right.
Speaker 5: Like you wouldn't be like, oh, how do I check
Speaker 5: if she's on the money's ethical? Like you don't see
Speaker 5: my bank accounts, you don't see my statements.
Speaker 1: You don't see like.
Speaker 5: Which suppliers I use, Like I would like to think
Speaker 5: I'm ethical. One way of doing that is by checking
Speaker 5: if they're a B Corp Company, which means someone has
Speaker 5: checked that and gone through that process to see if
Speaker 5: they are ethical and they are a good company. You
Speaker 5: can always look at the tags and check where it's
Speaker 5: being made and what's going on. There is a lot
Speaker 5: of information online. Obviously, one brand I will name because
Speaker 5: they're not very good is Sheene. They are literally the
Speaker 5: worst at this from my perspective, because they have such
Speaker 5: a big footprint and they have such a massive amount
Speaker 5: of clothing that goes out of them each and every
Speaker 5: single day, which, to be honest, makes me a little
Speaker 5: bit sick when you start.
Speaker 1: To think about it.
Speaker 5: But you can look up other people's opinions online and
Speaker 5: even just type in is Sheene ethical and look at
Speaker 5: what blogs and articles exist, because usually people have done
Speaker 5: research on it, and you could do that on any brand.
Speaker 5: Another way to do that is to go to the
Speaker 5: brand's website if they're more of a small boutique brand,
Speaker 5: and they often might talk about their supply chain or
Speaker 5: where they.
Speaker 1: Get their materials from.
Speaker 5: I've seen a few companies recently which I've really liked
Speaker 5: because obviously we have a really big community of small
Speaker 5: business owners in Shees on the Money and I stalk
Speaker 5: you all, like, if you slide into my DMS and
Speaker 5: say you have small business, I'm going to need to
Speaker 5: know what you do, where you do it, how you
Speaker 5: do it. I'm such a fan. But I'll look at
Speaker 5: your website and I've noticed a lot of websites people
Speaker 5: are like, Oh, at the moment in our journey, we
Speaker 5: are currently working with suppliers in China. I've made sure
Speaker 5: that they're ethical and sustainable, and once I have more revenue,
Speaker 5: the plan is to move to Australia for production.
Speaker 1: I'd like to bring it closer to home. It's just
Speaker 1: not sustainable at this point.
Speaker 5: You just go well, like, I like the value and
Speaker 5: the ethics of that brand, and I would really personally
Speaker 5: like to support that brand get to that position. And
Speaker 5: the only way that they're going to get to that
Speaker 5: position and to a thousand percent meeting their values is
Speaker 5: if I engage with them now so that they can
Speaker 5: grow their business. So I think it's it's up to you,
Speaker 5: and it's up to how you want to do things.
Speaker 5: But it's really about looking at it, looking at you know.
Speaker 5: I mean, if you could deep dive into what their
Speaker 5: raw materials are or if they use chemical treatments, or
Speaker 5: like what their garment production process looks like, or what
Speaker 5: type of waste management plan they have, or like the
Speaker 5: end of life cycle for products. But again, it's each
Speaker 5: to their own, and to be honest, I would really
Speaker 5: just start with Google if you're worried about a particular brand.
Speaker 4: Okay, Okay, start with Google. That's always the answer I find.
Speaker 5: Honestly, you could do my entire podcast. You could take
Speaker 5: my job by just googling it sometimes.
Speaker 4: Okay, don't do it. No, I won't.
Speaker 1: I would like to keep my job.
Speaker 4: Okay, let's go for a little break. Hot girl walk
Speaker 4: if you will.
Speaker 1: Go google some stuff.
Speaker 4: Let's go google some stuff. I'm going to google a
Speaker 4: hot girl walk, b Ib, Welcome back to She's on
Speaker 4: the Money, Victoria. I feel like I've aged like five years.
Speaker 4: I don't know if it's because it was gone for
Speaker 4: so long, but I'm so happy to be back, and
Speaker 4: I'm really happy with what we're talking about.
Speaker 5: If anybody listened to last week's episode, they know there
Speaker 5: was absolutely no chance of you aging five years.
Speaker 1: But that's okay.
Speaker 4: I don't listen to last week's episode just kidding you
Speaker 4: will learn a lot. So today we're talking about ethical
Speaker 4: and sustainable fashion.
Speaker 1: We are and fast fashion as well into the mix.
Speaker 4: Yes, exactly. So I want to know what are the
Speaker 4: increased costs with ethical and sustainable fashion.
Speaker 5: There are a few, so obvious, So let's just talk
Speaker 5: about fabric to begin with, the price of sustainable fabrics
Speaker 5: are often on average two and a half to four
Speaker 5: times more expensive in comparison to more commonly used fabrics, right,
Speaker 5: and this is partly because they're more expensive for the
Speaker 5: manufacturers to produce. So an example of that, organic cotton
Speaker 5: needs to be grown in different soil that's been cleansed
Speaker 5: for at least three years. I didn't know that, but
Speaker 5: three years to allow it to return to the level
Speaker 5: of biodiversity and reading a quote here, biodiversity which allows
Speaker 5: the crop to grow naturally without toxic fertilizers.
Speaker 1: So that's a big investment to begin here.
Speaker 5: And then organic cotton needs to be picked by hand,
Speaker 5: and it also doesn't grow as efficiently as one that
Speaker 5: used some toxins in it, but the quality is much
Speaker 5: higher and it's much more durable, which should make it
Speaker 5: fair that it makes more sense that it's more expensive, right,
Speaker 5: Like when you start talking about that, you're like, Wow,
Speaker 5: that's time, that's energy, that's effort.
Speaker 4: Check out.
Speaker 5: And then if you're dying that fabric or like printing
Speaker 5: on it, it is more time consuming and more cost
Speaker 5: consuming as well. Also, eco textiles and dies are more
Speaker 5: expensive because they are less in demand. The mass produced
Speaker 5: stuff like just polyest Then we've got packaging, which is massive.
Speaker 5: Packaging is a massive grap for me, We're not going
Speaker 5: to get onto that. But these brands will also generally
Speaker 5: try to conserve and reuse and recycle all of the
Speaker 5: extra bits that we forget about when it comes to fashion,
Speaker 5: So the packaging, the swing tags, all of that stuff,
Speaker 5: and some they even take the time to make reusable
Speaker 5: seeded paper for swing tags, which then you can plant
Speaker 5: in your garden a home, which I think is really cute,
Speaker 5: but that's really expensive to produce.
Speaker 1: Like it's not it's really wholesome. They oh, where did
Speaker 1: you get this flower?
Speaker 6: Oh?
Speaker 1: It came from my T shirt packet. So cute.
Speaker 4: About another big part of me, and that is actually
Speaker 4: paying your.
Speaker 5: Workers one hundred percent. This is something that extends internationally.
Speaker 5: But according to Ox vams what she Makes campaign.
Speaker 1: Which I love.
Speaker 5: Bangladeshi garment workers were paid less than forty cents per hour,
Speaker 5: oh my gosh, which equates to about three dollars sixty
Speaker 5: per day in twenty eighteen. That is way less than
Speaker 5: a living wage, even in Bangladesh, because obviously some people
Speaker 5: will say, oh, v but you don't know what a
Speaker 5: living wage in that country looks like that is a
Speaker 5: lot like beck you're literally from Bangladesh.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I went to visit there once. My dad gave
Speaker 4: my grandma. I think it would have been maybe fifty dollars,
Speaker 4: but there was the biggest deal because they it's you know,
Speaker 4: they live quite a frugal life, real life. But yeah,
Speaker 4: it's not. It's not the case that like, oh everything's
Speaker 4: so cheap, so forty, so much money. But no, it's
Speaker 4: it's not the case at all.
Speaker 5: Don't you dare come into my DMS about that that
Speaker 5: is not a living wage. Yet it would only cost
Speaker 5: fast fashion brands less than one percent of the pricing
Speaker 5: for the garment that they're selling to pay their workers properly.
Speaker 1: Geez, isn't that disgusting?
Speaker 5: It's really just choosing not to. They're just choosing not
Speaker 5: to for one percent more disgusting.
Speaker 4: That is so bad.
Speaker 5: Meanwhile, the owners and the CEOs of fast Passion brands
Speaker 5: can earn a garment workers lifetime salary in four days.
Speaker 4: Oh my god, that is so outrageous.
Speaker 5: Which I mean, isn't that much if you're only being
Speaker 5: paid three dollars sixty a day? But yes, it is
Speaker 5: actually insane because when we talk about that, a CEO
Speaker 5: of a flast fashion brand can earn a properly paid
Speaker 5: workers income in four days, and only one in ten
Speaker 5: fashion brands in Australia actually pay a living wage to
Speaker 5: workers in some factories across their supply chain, leaving millions
Speaker 5: unable to earn enough to keep their families out of
Speaker 5: extreme poverty, which comes from legit research from the Ethical
Speaker 5: Fashion Report from Baptist World Ease. That is insane and disgusting,
Speaker 5: so disgusting, like I don't want to be part of that,
Speaker 5: and I think that that again massive privilege to be
Speaker 5: able to say I don't want to be part of
Speaker 5: that and then exit that. But we can all try
Speaker 5: to make more sustainable choices where we can. But a
Speaker 5: living wage should be earned in a standard working week
Speaker 5: of not more than forty eight hours by a worker
Speaker 5: and be enough to afford a decent standard living for
Speaker 5: the worker and their family. But while these standards do
Speaker 5: vary regardless of what the actual dollar amount is, a
Speaker 5: living wage should cover the cost of food, housing, healthcare, clothing, education, transport, energy, water,
Speaker 5: and small amounts of savings for unexpected events. But unfortunately,
Speaker 5: there are many countries that do not have legal requirements
Speaker 5: back to even bother paying a leaving wage, and if
Speaker 5: they do, in many cases there's actually just really little
Speaker 5: interest in following those and not a lot of repercussions
Speaker 5: for just not doing it.
Speaker 4: That is so bad, it's actually disgusting. So fast fashion
Speaker 4: has created this completely crazy parallel universe of expectation on
Speaker 4: seasons and also cost. Right.
Speaker 5: Yeah, like, as we said before, there used to be
Speaker 5: two seasons. Now there are fifty two seasons. And it's
Speaker 5: from my perspective as well, really warped what we think
Speaker 5: things should cost. And they can take clothes to rock
Speaker 5: bottom prices only to be cutting a lot of the corners,
Speaker 5: and they use the cheapest fabrics and they pay the
Speaker 5: lowest cost for manufacturing, even if this means that there
Speaker 5: is child labor and slave labor in the supply chain. Disgusting,
Speaker 5: literally disgusting. And it's interesting as well because historically fast
Speaker 5: fashion was basically all that was accessible to me. And
Speaker 5: that's okay. I think everyone most people have been in
Speaker 5: that circumstance and that's totally okay. But as I started
Speaker 5: to earn more and you know, try to make more
Speaker 5: conscious decisions, whether that is me trying to be ethical
Speaker 5: or just seeing stuff, you know, seeing a dress on
Speaker 5: Instagram that I really like and looking into the brand,
Speaker 5: you start to look at it and remember this dress. Right, Like,
Speaker 5: I'm known for a white dress, like and maybe not publicly,
Speaker 5: but like in my wardrobe is ninety percent white dresses.
Speaker 1: I love them.
Speaker 5: I saw this white dress online that I really liked,
Speaker 5: and I went to the website of the company and
Speaker 5: it was a small Australian designer, Like they were really little.
Speaker 5: I'd just seen it on a friend's Instagram, Like, not massive,
Speaker 5: like fancy one like Dally or Scanlon thead or. It
Speaker 5: was literally just a small designer and the dress was
Speaker 5: like four hundred dollars and I was four hundred dollars
Speaker 5: that's all lot of money. And I left it because
Speaker 5: I was like, that's a lot of money for a dress.
Speaker 5: I don't really want to do that. And then a
Speaker 5: couple of months later, the same creator, like that designer
Speaker 5: came up on my TikTok explaining her process and her
Speaker 5: design and how she picks her fabrics and how long
Speaker 5: it takes, and like she kind of took us through
Speaker 5: here's my studio and it's you know room at home,
Speaker 5: and I make these dresses and how many hours.
Speaker 1: It took, and she like had distilled it.
Speaker 5: Down to not only do I, you know, I pay this,
Speaker 5: this and this, and she was really transparent and I
Speaker 5: can't remember.
Speaker 1: I'll try and find it and link it.
Speaker 5: But she explained, okay, well, the fabric actually costs me
Speaker 5: this much and I don't have the means to bowl
Speaker 5: order it because I can't afford it. So it's like,
Speaker 5: you know, maybe thirty dollars a fabric, and then I
Speaker 5: have all of these you know buttons that then go
Speaker 5: on the dress, and they're kind of expensive because they're plated,
Speaker 5: so that's another thirty dollars. So that's sixty dollars we're
Speaker 5: setting it, and then I have to use this expensive
Speaker 5: machine and then on top of that I'm spending eight
Speaker 5: hours per dress to make them, because you know, it's
Speaker 5: got these beautiful ribs on the front of it, and
Speaker 5: when you distell it down, she's not making nearly anup
Speaker 5: for that dress, but she didn't want to charge more
Speaker 5: because she really wanted to get her fashion out there.
Speaker 5: And I ended up buying the dress after seeing that
Speaker 5: because I was like, oh my gosh, I get it now.
Speaker 5: But it made me feel really terrible because originally, when
Speaker 5: I'd gone to her Instagram and clicked on the shop
Speaker 5: thing and seen that the dress was four hundred dollars,
Speaker 5: I was like, that's too much. That's insane. I'm not
Speaker 5: paying four hundred dollars through dress. No, No, but it
Speaker 5: makes sense, right, And I do genuinely believe that you
Speaker 5: said before this completely crazy parallel universe. And that's what
Speaker 5: that made me think of, because it really has warped
Speaker 5: what we think things should cost because that dress, yes,
Speaker 5: it was four hundred dollars, but like she'd calculated her
Speaker 5: hourly rate and worked out like how much she makes
Speaker 5: and it was like thirteen dollars an hour, which in
Speaker 5: Israelia is not a living wage. Yeah, And I remember
Speaker 5: just being like, oh, okay, well, I do want to
Speaker 5: support her business. I do want to buy that I
Speaker 5: do want her to be successful, and the only way
Speaker 5: to success for her is to actually get.
Speaker 1: Into the hands of people.
Speaker 5: And yeah, it just kind of reminded me that fashion
Speaker 5: is not meant to just be bought, and you know,
Speaker 5: wearing a dress once is actually acceptable. It's not like
Speaker 5: I love that dress. I wear it all the time.
Speaker 5: You guys have seen it a million times because I
Speaker 5: just wear it in and out of the office, and
Speaker 5: like it's one of those things. But it's also not
Speaker 5: only has our I guess mindset been warped into assuming
Speaker 5: that a four hundred dollar dress is too expensive and
Speaker 5: again just highlighting privilege. That is a very expensive dress.
Speaker 5: By no means I am I trying to tell people
Speaker 5: go spend four.
Speaker 1: Hundred dollars on dresses. It's more ethical, That's not what
Speaker 1: I'm saying.
Speaker 5: But cost per wear comes into it as well, Like
Speaker 5: I wear that dress all the time, and.
Speaker 1: That's actually the purpose.
Speaker 5: Like Beck, you shouldn't be buying a T shirt if
Speaker 5: you're just gonna wear it one time with one outfit
Speaker 5: because you want to go out on a Saturday we
Speaker 5: shouldn't be buying dresses so that we can, you know,
Speaker 5: wear it to our friend's wedding and then never never
Speaker 5: pick it up again.
Speaker 4: I just think that there's this really weird idea.
Speaker 5: And you guys know that I talk about, you know,
Speaker 5: re wearing stuff all the time, and I would love
Speaker 5: to think that I'm the coin of that. I just
Speaker 5: can't understand why we need to buy new dresses for
Speaker 5: absolutely every single event. We've had our International Women's Day
Speaker 5: events recently, and oh my gosh, beck I felt like
Speaker 5: I made it. A couple of companies reached out and said,
Speaker 5: can we give you dresses to wear to those events?
Speaker 1: I felt so baller, that is so cool, so.
Speaker 5: Cool, I said, no, I already have dresses, Like I
Speaker 5: already have a few dresses that I you know, in
Speaker 5: my head, like because International Women's Day is my favorite
Speaker 5: thing in the entire world. I'd been planning it for months.
Speaker 5: I was like, okay, cool, I have this dress. And
Speaker 5: you know, there's this one particular dress that I'd worn
Speaker 5: a few times and really loved. And then my best
Speaker 5: friend borrowed it for like my wedding recovery party, and
Speaker 5: then like another friend borrowed it because I'd seen it
Speaker 5: and Gabby's borrowed it before and used it, and I
Speaker 5: just really wanted to wear that because it's a dress
Speaker 5: that I feel good.
Speaker 1: In and I feel confident in.
Speaker 5: And they don't understand why I would buy it, wear
Speaker 5: it once and then say, oh, I can't wear that
Speaker 5: again because I wore that and I was seen in
Speaker 5: that at some other event. Why like, can't we just
Speaker 5: buy a dress that makes us feel good and wear
Speaker 5: it all the time because I still look good in
Speaker 5: at the third, fourth, fiftieth time. I just don't understand anyway.
Speaker 5: So that wasn't me trying to flex and be like, oh,
Speaker 5: someone said that I could have free dresses and I
Speaker 5: said no, cool, But it really made me think because
Speaker 5: I was kind of like, okay, and I did go
Speaker 5: down that track of going, oh my gosh, this brand's amazing,
Speaker 5: Like I would love to go on their website and
Speaker 5: pick four random dresses for these four events that I
Speaker 5: have coming up. And I'm not saying I never buy
Speaker 5: new stuff, but I got to their website and found
Speaker 5: my mindset going, I need to find four dresses. I
Speaker 5: hadn't thought about that brand before then. I hadn't gone, oh,
Speaker 5: I really like that dress. I wonder if I could
Speaker 5: work with them, Like they were just going to send
Speaker 5: me four random dresses and it just felt a bit wrong.
Speaker 1: Yeah, does that make sense that?
Speaker 4: Like it sounds fuller at the start, and then you're like,
Speaker 4: oh yeah really like knuckle down.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and like, as someone who really wants to live
Speaker 5: their values as well, it felt nice to go, no,
Speaker 5: you know what, I really do like that. And hopefully
Speaker 5: even if one person in our community notices, oh, that
Speaker 5: was a dress that Victoria had already worn, Like I
Speaker 5: kind of like that.
Speaker 1: And they do the same thing.
Speaker 4: It's like small things in the right direction, right absolutely.
Speaker 4: On that vet. Tell me about cost per weear, I've
Speaker 4: actually never really thought about that. Tell me you haven't
Speaker 4: listened to all of the Sheese on the Money podcast
Speaker 4: without telling me, I don't listen to all of our podcasts.
Speaker 5: But okay, So essentially, cost per wear is something that
Speaker 5: we talk about to reduce the item's cost, or from
Speaker 5: my perspective, sometimes just justify purchasing that item that maybe
Speaker 5: on a need, I'll tell myself up, but I'll get
Speaker 5: a hips aware out of it.
Speaker 1: Cost per wear on this will be so low.
Speaker 5: But essentially, if you buy a twenty dollar dress and
Speaker 5: you wear it only once, that cost twenty dollars and
Speaker 5: that's actually not that great of an investment. But if
Speaker 5: you went and bought a two hundred dollar dress made
Speaker 5: of sustainable materials and you wear it ten times, that's
Speaker 5: also twenty dollars aware, so you kind of justify it
Speaker 5: in a way, but it has less damaging materials upon disposal,
Speaker 5: and it's better in all. And if you bought that
Speaker 5: twenty dollar dress just to wear out one Saturday, and
Speaker 5: you bought it online and it was in a sale,
Speaker 5: and maybe you don't even wear it, who knows, that
Speaker 5: actually ends up costing you personally more than an item
Speaker 5: that you bought for two hundred dollars that you keep
Speaker 5: wearing and wear again, and you know, actually get a
Speaker 5: lot of we are out of because if you then
Speaker 5: get address that's worth two hundred bucks and you know
Speaker 5: you have it for five years and you wear it
Speaker 5: two hundred times, that's a dollar per way. It's pretty good,
Speaker 5: all right, and it justifies the item in a way. Yeah, again,
Speaker 5: I do think we really really set out to buy
Speaker 5: something once.
Speaker 1: When we buy it, we justify it to ourselves. But
Speaker 1: it's an impulse.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 5: We might be late night scrolling, we might see something
Speaker 5: on sale and before you know, you've bought it, or
Speaker 5: you know what, I have bought so many items that
Speaker 5: I didn't need because I was anxious. So like I
Speaker 5: might be anxious of going out to my friend's birthday
Speaker 5: on the weekend because you know, when I was younger,
Speaker 5: they might be a boy there that I liked, or
Speaker 5: there might be like a new group of girls that
Speaker 5: I'm being introduced to, and I want to make a
Speaker 5: good impression. And one way that I would lessen my
Speaker 5: anxiety was to go and purchase a new item that
Speaker 5: made me feel good about myself. And I'm not saying
Speaker 5: don't do these things, but the amount of times I
Speaker 5: bought something that genuinely I.
Speaker 1: Didn't need is immeasurable.
Speaker 5: Like I would just buy stuff because it makes me
Speaker 5: feel better, right, And I think a lot of us
Speaker 5: it's retail therapy, right, Yeah, A lot of us use
Speaker 5: that as a tool to manage our emotions instead of
Speaker 5: just looking into like why do I feel like I
Speaker 5: need a new dress? Like, no one's going to judge
Speaker 5: me for wearing a dress I already have and already
Speaker 5: look good in.
Speaker 1: Why wouldn't I say that income?
Speaker 5: It's an interesting concept, and I guess when clothes are
Speaker 5: priced cheaply, they kind of do seem like single use items,
Speaker 5: and it implies that our clothes are in a way disposable.
Speaker 5: And if we buy that message, I think it's really dangerous.
Speaker 5: And I mean, this cost per wear thing makes sense,
Speaker 5: but it goes back to that example I gave you
Speaker 5: earlier about school shoes.
Speaker 4: So let's say you're in minimum wage. You would love
Speaker 4: to buy something that's two hundred dollars instead of three
Speaker 4: dollars because you want to get more use out of it.
Speaker 1: Also, you want to.
Speaker 4: Be looking at an ethical and sustainable brand. Yeah, how
Speaker 4: do you? What do you do? If you only have
Speaker 4: like three dollars to your name?
Speaker 5: You can still buy the kmart T shirt. And I
Speaker 5: don't think you should feel bad about it.
Speaker 1: That's nice.
Speaker 5: I just don't think you should feel bad about that.
Speaker 5: I think it's all about my if your budget or
Speaker 5: only allows for that item. I mean there's lots of things.
Speaker 5: I could sit here and be like, okay, cool, Well
Speaker 5: you should be trying to op shop and you should
Speaker 5: be trying to thrift things, and maybe you could like
Speaker 5: ask a friend, or you could like do a million
Speaker 5: other things, right, But sometimes you just need a brand
Speaker 5: new crisp white T shirt, and if your budget is
Speaker 5: only allowing for you to purchase that from Camar, I
Speaker 5: think the mindset around that should be more of this
Speaker 5: is what my budget allows? Do I actually need this item?
Speaker 4: How much?
Speaker 1: Where am I going to get out of it?
Speaker 5: Checking items like that, I feel like I shouldn't throw
Speaker 5: came Out under a bus, and I'm not. I love
Speaker 5: came Out as much as everybody else in the entire world.
Speaker 5: It's one of my favorite shops to go through, and
Speaker 5: I swear every time I go in there for one thing,
Speaker 5: I come out with fifty. I am not immune to
Speaker 5: that either. But like having a look at things and
Speaker 5: going are they actually okay?
Speaker 1: Quality? Like is this going to serve me? Like if
Speaker 1: you need that white T shirt? Does came Out?
Speaker 5: Have a few options that you could have a look
Speaker 5: at and pick the best quality one, not impulse purchasing
Speaker 5: things and actually purchasing things you need. So I think
Speaker 5: sometimes again, regardless of your income, we can all feel
Speaker 5: anxious about buying things and justify that we need a
Speaker 5: new T shirt.
Speaker 1: Wheen, maybe we don't.
Speaker 5: Let's check if we actually need that item, because it's
Speaker 5: not that common to walk into an opshop and get
Speaker 5: a perfectly crisp white T shirt.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 5: We can thrif lots of things, but sometimes you just
Speaker 5: need something new, and that's okay. And I think we
Speaker 5: actually really need to break down that barrier of buying
Speaker 5: fast fashion is terrible. I think buying fast fashion can
Speaker 5: be really bad, and I want the industry to change,
Speaker 5: but is not your personal responsibility. And I think that
Speaker 5: if that's what your budget allows, that's totally okay. I
Speaker 5: think it's more about your intention. If you're buying fast fashion,
Speaker 5: let's try and make it not disposable. Let's try and
Speaker 5: get good wear out of it. Let's make sure that
Speaker 5: we are looking after our items and washing them properly.
Speaker 5: And if they say don't tumble dry, just don't tumble
Speaker 5: dry the items so it lasts longer and you're actually
Speaker 5: getting wear out of your clothes. Stuff like that, I
Speaker 5: think is what we really need to be considering. And
Speaker 5: then as your income increases, maybe you can make more
Speaker 5: sustainable decisions in the future. Maybe if your budget does
Speaker 5: allow it. You can go thrift shopping and you know,
Speaker 5: try and be a little bit more sustainable that way.
Speaker 5: But I just think that it's rude and it is
Speaker 5: disrespectful and it is a really cruel thing to make
Speaker 5: people feel bad for the financial circumstances they're in and say, well,
Speaker 5: I can't believe the only options you have are that
Speaker 5: you should do better. That's awful. That's awful, and we
Speaker 5: don't do that in this house. That is not who
Speaker 5: we are. That is not what we do. What we
Speaker 5: do is understand the environment, understand.
Speaker 1: Where we are.
Speaker 5: And then if you're in the privileged position to have
Speaker 5: the budget that allows that, I think it is then
Speaker 5: your responsibility to not be buying fast fashion. I think
Speaker 5: you're the person that that is sitting on. So I
Speaker 5: put a lot more owners on myself. Should I be
Speaker 5: personally buying a Kmart T shirt? No, No, I don't
Speaker 5: think I should be, because I have the power of choice.
Speaker 5: I love that and I think that that's a very
Speaker 5: big part of this and probably a really good.
Speaker 1: Place to leave it.
Speaker 4: Well, I feel so seen, b thank you so much
Speaker 4: for that making me feel all all for this. But
Speaker 4: I think it is worth mentioning that there are some
Speaker 4: affordable places that you can go that are also like
Speaker 4: ethically and sustainably sourced. And some of those, just off
Speaker 4: the top of my head would be obviously op shops,
Speaker 4: which now absolutely I'm trying to ease myself into.
Speaker 5: I'll buy you some omo and some dead old wash
Speaker 5: and then you might feel a little bit better about it.
Speaker 4: Thank you. Maybe therapy could be useful.
Speaker 1: That's actually just truly expensive gown.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and with the fact that bulk billing in Australia
Speaker 5: seems to be less and less prevalent, maybe we'll just
Speaker 5: go with the yeah, yeah, therapy.
Speaker 4: Yeah done, or yeah, so you know, obviously deep hop.
Speaker 4: I love a bit of deep hop, a bit of
Speaker 4: deep hop. Market market place is a very sexy place
Speaker 4: to exist. It is so good. It feels a bit
Speaker 4: different to thrift shopping too, because you can meet the owner.
Speaker 5: You are very weird in the way that you doestify
Speaker 5: things to yourself.
Speaker 1: But I'm here, don't know. I support you, no, I
Speaker 1: love it.
Speaker 4: Thank you. Look, I think this is a really good
Speaker 4: place to leave it.
Speaker 5: I think so to equivalent A lot do good be good,
Speaker 5: but only in the breadths of what your resources allow.
Speaker 4: He year is exactly it absolutely love that love you
Speaker 4: see Friday. Hey guys bye.
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