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Speaker 1: Hello.

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Speaker 2: My name's Santasha Nabananga Bamblet. I'm a proud Yr the

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Speaker 2: Order Kerney Whalbury and a waddery woman. And before we

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Speaker 2: get started on She's on the Money podcast, I would

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Speaker 2: like to acknowledge the traditional custodians of the land of

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Speaker 2: which this podcast is recorded on a wondery country, acknowledging

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Speaker 2: the elders, the ancestors and the next generation coming through

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Speaker 2: as this podcast is about connecting, empowering, knowledge sharing and

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Speaker 2: the storytelling of you to make a difference for today

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Speaker 2: and lasting impact for tomorrow.

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Speaker 1: Let's get into it.

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Speaker 3: She's on the Money, She's on the Money.

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Speaker 4: Hello, and welcome to She's on the Money, the podcast

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Speaker 4: for millennials who want financial freedom. Today, I have a

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Speaker 4: Victoria Divine with Meday Victoria.

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Speaker 5: Oh good day mate. This is an Australian podcast, now,

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Speaker 5: is it?

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Speaker 4: Yeah? I feel like we should do the whole podcast

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Speaker 4: as Americans trying to be Australian.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, all right, right right?

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Speaker 2: Is that?

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Speaker 4: Alright?

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Speaker 2: Oh?

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Speaker 4: I can't do it. I actually kind of let's move.

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Speaker 5: On because it's terrifying when we were in America. Actually,

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Speaker 5: I went to Finkoln last year, which you guys probably

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Speaker 5: know because I keep talking about it because I was

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Speaker 5: obsessed with it.

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Speaker 1: It just made me so aware of my own accent.

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Speaker 5: I felt like such a bogain and I genuinely exist

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Speaker 5: in a sphere where I think, oh, like, I'm relatively well,

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Speaker 5: you know, well spoken, I'm all right, I'm pretty articulate.

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Speaker 1: I did not feel like that in America.

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Speaker 5: I felt like the biggest bogan and people would like

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Speaker 5: look at me and be like, oh, you're from Australia

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Speaker 5: and I'd be like, oh gosh.

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Speaker 4: They really articulate their words there.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, and just the intonation at the end, like we

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Speaker 5: have everything as a question and they're just so much

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Speaker 5: more assertive. So anyway, moving on, what are we talking

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Speaker 5: about today?

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Speaker 1: Beck?

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Speaker 4: Okay, so today we're talking about ethical and sustainable fascion

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Speaker 4: fush On. Is this something that you're familiar with?

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Speaker 5: I am, and I'm quite passionate about it. We actually

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Speaker 5: did an episode way back when, I think probably in

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Speaker 5: season one if She's on the Money, which if you

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Speaker 5: are new to She's on the Money, I actually don't

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Speaker 5: recommend you go and listen to. And I say that

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Speaker 5: because I'm embarrassed of who I was as a person,

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Speaker 5: and how nervous I used to be behind the microphone

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Speaker 5: and how planned I would be and I would make

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Speaker 5: sure that everything was correct. So don't do that, But

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Speaker 5: if you do, thanks to the listens really helps me out.

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Speaker 5: But today we are talking about ethical and sustainable fashion

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Speaker 5: versus fast fashion, and I think this is a topic

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Speaker 5: of debate not only in our community, but in a

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Speaker 5: lot of other communities. I'm seeing it a lot pop

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Speaker 5: up in I guess pop culture references. I am, if anything,

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Speaker 5: addicted to drama. I don't like being involved in the drama.

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Speaker 5: But I want to be like the fly on the

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Speaker 5: wall when it comes to other people's drama. I don't

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Speaker 5: want to talk about it, like I'm not going to

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Speaker 5: have a chat about it.

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Speaker 1: I just want to read about it and be about it.

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Speaker 4: Watching here a big.

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Speaker 5: Gossipy So I love a pop culture podcasts Facebook group

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Speaker 5: and a few of them. Just like reading through the comments,

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Speaker 5: you best believe I've read them. Will I ever comment?

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Speaker 5: Absolutely not, Like I don't want to be involved. Will

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Speaker 5: I share anything that I see in there with you back? No,

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Speaker 5: because I don't want to be embarrassed of what I've

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Speaker 4: Interesting, but I'll probably find it interesting too.

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Speaker 1: I mean, this is where these topics come from, so

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Speaker 1: you guys better find this interesting as well. It's not

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Speaker 1: worth your time.

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Speaker 5: But essentially, I know we all prefer to be ethical

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Speaker 5: and sustainable in our choices. Right in a perfect world,

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Speaker 5: fast Fashion wouldn't exist. But I think that there is

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Speaker 5: to being able to choose ethical and sustainable choices, because

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Speaker 5: there's obviously a cost to those items that most people

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Speaker 5: should be. But I also want to address the fact

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Speaker 5: that people shouldn't be shamed for purchasing fast fashion because

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Speaker 5: you never know their financial circumstances. And we're going to

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Speaker 5: dispel that, but also how to approach it if your

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Speaker 5: budget only allows for fast fashion and making that okay

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Speaker 5: because I think too many times like who doesn't love

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Speaker 5: a fourd dollar singlet from Kmart?

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Speaker 4: I love?

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Speaker 1: But do you know what I mean?

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Speaker 5: Let's be honest, like if I could buy something and

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Speaker 5: I don't nowadays because again privileged position to be in,

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Speaker 5: I can make more sustainable and ethical choices, and I

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Speaker 1: Who doesn't love a four dollar singlet?

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Speaker 1: Like surface level, surface level, that is a money win?

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Speaker 4: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Is it a money you win for other people involved

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Speaker 1: in that supply chain? Probably not? And we can talk

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Speaker 1: need to talk about the flip side of things. And

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Speaker 1: obviously the negative impacts of fast fashion are really bad

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Speaker 1: those impulse purchases add up over the years and how

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Speaker 1: much can actually cost you more than an expensive and

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Speaker 1: again again that plays into privilege, and there are a

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Speaker 5: Goes back to school shoes. Like there's this example of

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Speaker 5: so expensive. Not everybody has the budget to buy their

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Speaker 5: all right, well, need to get my daughter school shoes.

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Speaker 5: It would be a better investment to just buy the

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Speaker 1: We all know that, but like genuinely back and I

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Speaker 1: your mum's not going to be like, you know what,

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Speaker 4: Yeah, no, share are you getting this money?

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Speaker 1: Where are you getting this money from?

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Speaker 2: Like?

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Speaker 5: Where can we get a cheap pair of school shoes

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Speaker 1: And I'm already in debt.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, anyway, We can go on and on and about this,

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Speaker 5: but there are so many forces that exist to keep

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Speaker 5: like we're not enough unless we have the next thing.

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Speaker 5: On social media and to be honest, like, let's be honest,

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Speaker 1: I see stuff on Instagram all the time that I'm like,

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Speaker 5: You Beck am you Like, I'm exactly like everybody that

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Speaker 5: listens to this podcast, like, it's not something that I'm

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Speaker 5: immune to. And if this resonates with you might actually

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Speaker 5: get something out of our episodes on spending addiction. You

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Speaker 5: might not how a spending addiction, but there might be

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Speaker 5: a few things that we could pull back on.

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Speaker 1: Was from October twelfth last year.

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Speaker 4: One hundred cent. It's kind of like it's exactly what

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Speaker 4: we kind of talk about sometimes, like keeping up with

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Speaker 5: Yeah, one hundred percent. I want to be a fashion queen.

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Speaker 5: I'm not a fashion queen. I think just thank you,

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Speaker 5: like is this cute? And they're like, yeah, I would

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Speaker 5: the mannequin has the top with the skirt, I'll be like, oh, okay,

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Speaker 5: so those go together. I'll purchase that.

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Speaker 1: I love that people think i'm fashion.

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Speaker 5: I get such a kick when people message me like, oh,

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Speaker 5: where's that from? I'm like, haha, I'm a fashion girlie.

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Speaker 1: I'm not. I'm really not. I try so hard you do.

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Speaker 1: My sister is a fashion giralie.

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Speaker 5: She just knows whereas I'm like, yes, I know of

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Speaker 1: Stores, that is it. I'll be like, oh, where's that

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Speaker 5: And She'll be like, oh, it's from this like eclectic label,

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Speaker 5: and like how do you even learn that?

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Speaker 1: Where do you find that?

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Speaker 6: Where do these?

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Speaker 4: Where are these places?

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 5: Like I've never heard of that brand in my entire life,

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Speaker 5: so I google it and then I copy my sister too.

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Speaker 5: So if you would like fashion advice, it shouldn't be

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Speaker 5: from me. But you're right keeping up with the Joneses

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Speaker 5: genuinely sometimes feels like a race.

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Speaker 1: What are your clothes buying habits? I feel like you're

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Speaker 4: I'm really ashamed to say that I have a little

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Speaker 4: bit of like a very specific germophobia, and I would

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Speaker 4: like to threw aphobia a little bit. Yeah, okay, I guess.

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Speaker 5: If somebody went and bought that Kmart T shirt and

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Speaker 4: I have to wash it first. I'm glad that you

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Speaker 1: But no, it's instead of you just being anxious about

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Speaker 4: Never buy clothes ever again.

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Speaker 4: But kind of to bring it back. I only ever

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Speaker 1: Do you know what I've never noticed? Oh that's too

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Speaker 1: That's the Unicloth T shirt, isn't it. Yeah, it's a

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Speaker 5: those two seasons summer and winter, which makes sense, right,

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Speaker 5: don't know. Fast fashion has around fifty two seasons a year.

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Speaker 5: Did you know that six thousand kilograms of clothing going

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Speaker 5: And I think it's one of those things that we're

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Speaker 5: Well, if it means that you'll come back in twelve

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Speaker 5: Even Apple was found to actually build in planned obsolescence

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Speaker 5: And they know what they're doing and they're doing it

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Speaker 1: So you just go, oh, well, well well just buy

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Speaker 5: Are into break washed things, some men to break right, No, absolutely.

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Speaker 5: So, ethical fashion generally covers the entire production process from

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Speaker 5: And brands who we deem to be ethical fashion brands

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Speaker 5: percent sustainable fashion. But also the other point that I

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Speaker 5: want to make here is, you know how we talk

443
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Speaker 5: about when it comes to investing greenwashing, they're doing that

444
00:19:44,480 --> 00:19:48,359
Speaker 5: in fashion too. And the biggest retailer, I'm saying, doing

445
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Speaker 5: it and I don't know if I'm going to get

446
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Speaker 5: in trouble for this, Bongoon do it anyway is H

447
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Speaker 5: and M. So H and M have if you've been

448
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Speaker 5: into one of their stores, they're one of the biggest

449
00:19:56,760 --> 00:19:59,720
Speaker 5: fast fashion brands in the world. They are doing this

450
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Speaker 5: in stores now where they're like, oh, you can recycle

451
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Speaker 5: your clothes here.

452
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Speaker 1: It's more sustainable, it's more ethical.

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Speaker 5: It's this and they have these big donation bins in

454
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Speaker 5: their stores so that you feel better about it and

455
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Speaker 5: you start associating with its like sustainable and ethical with them,

456
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Speaker 5: when that's not actually the case. So it's green washing

457
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Speaker 5: at its finest because if you go in there, right,

458
00:20:19,400 --> 00:20:21,080
Speaker 5: you're standing at the checkout and then there's this big

459
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Speaker 5: bin and they're talking about their more sustainable green choices,

460
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Speaker 5: like cool, let's sick about it.

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Speaker 1: What are they doing with those clothes? Yeah, they're just

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Speaker 1: donating them in the same way you would if you

463
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Speaker 1: would diet them. So they're just disposing of them.

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Speaker 5: Are they making them into fashion items that can be recycled? Like,

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Speaker 5: are they looking at that end of life process and

466
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Speaker 5: going okay, cool, Beck's done with her T shirt. We're

467
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Speaker 5: going to use this product to create another product and

468
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Speaker 5: therefore recycle it.

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Speaker 1: No, that's not the case. They're just going to donate it.

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Speaker 1: Oh okay, bros Hey, Yeah, all the bells and whistles,

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Speaker 1: but really, yeah, and lots of people do coppy, lots

472
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Speaker 1: of people do it. If they even do it in

473
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Speaker 1: the investment world, it is not actually uncommon, which again really.

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Speaker 4: Grows my faith in humanity is getting lower by the day.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, the longer you know me, the less you'll like

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Speaker 1: the world.

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Speaker 4: Do you look, thank you. So a point to make

478
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Speaker 4: is that all of our ethics are different, right, So

479
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Speaker 4: this applies to fashion two and so a fashion brand

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Speaker 4: can be ethical when it comes to human rights, but

481
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Speaker 4: not sustainable with its fabrics and environmental practices. A brand

482
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Speaker 4: can also be sustainable and completely disregard human rights. And

483
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Speaker 4: if you throw in the ethics of animal rights, and

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Speaker 4: then you have a whole other issue to consider.

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Speaker 5: Absolutely, which is exactly why we aren't going to give

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Speaker 5: you a list of brands today. I think a lot

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Speaker 5: of people ask for stuff like that, and I've seen

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Speaker 5: a few different fashion pages listing out like here ethical brands,

489
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Speaker 5: but like you can never guarantee it, And I think

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Speaker 5: it's important for you to do your own research, just

491
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Speaker 5: like the investment world, make a decision on what aligns

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Speaker 5: to your values, because your values are not my values,

493
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Speaker 5: and me giving you a list based on my values.

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Speaker 1: To be honest, gives me the ick. That's fair that

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Speaker 1: it does, Like it just seems kind of rude for

496
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Speaker 1: me to go through and be like if these pass

497
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Speaker 1: my vibe check, I'm like, okay, why do I think

498
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Speaker 1: I've got so many tickets that they should pass everybody?

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Speaker 4: I would subscribe to that, But how do we actually know?

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Speaker 4: Like how can we check if the clothing brand is ethical?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so it's really hard.

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Speaker 5: It is actually really hard because a lot of these

503
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Speaker 5: processes I don't want to say are secretive, but like

504
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Speaker 5: it's not actually a lot of our business how a

505
00:22:32,800 --> 00:22:35,680
Speaker 5: business does business right, Like you wouldn't be like, oh,

506
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Speaker 5: how do I check if she's on the money's ethical?

507
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Speaker 5: Like you don't see my bank accounts, you don't see

508
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Speaker 5: my statements.

509
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Speaker 1: You don't see like.

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Speaker 5: Which suppliers I use, Like I would like to think

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Speaker 5: I'm ethical. One way of doing that is by checking

512
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Speaker 5: if they're a B Corp Company, which means someone has

513
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Speaker 5: checked that and gone through that process to see if

514
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Speaker 5: they are ethical and they are a good company. You

515
00:22:56,400 --> 00:22:59,080
Speaker 5: can always look at the tags and check where it's

516
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Speaker 5: being made and what's going on. There is a lot

517
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Speaker 5: of information online. Obviously, one brand I will name because

518
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Speaker 5: they're not very good is Sheene. They are literally the

519
00:23:08,359 --> 00:23:12,120
Speaker 5: worst at this from my perspective, because they have such

520
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Speaker 5: a big footprint and they have such a massive amount

521
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Speaker 5: of clothing that goes out of them each and every

522
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Speaker 5: single day, which, to be honest, makes me a little

523
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Speaker 5: bit sick when you start.

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Speaker 1: To think about it.

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Speaker 5: But you can look up other people's opinions online and

526
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Speaker 5: even just type in is Sheene ethical and look at

527
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Speaker 5: what blogs and articles exist, because usually people have done

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Speaker 5: research on it, and you could do that on any brand.

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Speaker 5: Another way to do that is to go to the

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Speaker 5: brand's website if they're more of a small boutique brand,

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Speaker 5: and they often might talk about their supply chain or

532
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Speaker 5: where they.

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Speaker 1: Get their materials from.

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Speaker 5: I've seen a few companies recently which I've really liked

535
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Speaker 5: because obviously we have a really big community of small

536
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Speaker 5: business owners in Shees on the Money and I stalk

537
00:23:50,359 --> 00:23:52,399
Speaker 5: you all, like, if you slide into my DMS and

538
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Speaker 5: say you have small business, I'm going to need to

539
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Speaker 5: know what you do, where you do it, how you

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Speaker 5: do it. I'm such a fan. But I'll look at

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Speaker 5: your website and I've noticed a lot of websites people

542
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Speaker 5: are like, Oh, at the moment in our journey, we

543
00:24:03,280 --> 00:24:07,240
Speaker 5: are currently working with suppliers in China. I've made sure

544
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Speaker 5: that they're ethical and sustainable, and once I have more revenue,

545
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Speaker 5: the plan is to move to Australia for production.

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Speaker 1: I'd like to bring it closer to home. It's just

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Speaker 1: not sustainable at this point.

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Speaker 5: You just go well, like, I like the value and

549
00:24:18,119 --> 00:24:20,679
Speaker 5: the ethics of that brand, and I would really personally

550
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Speaker 5: like to support that brand get to that position. And

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Speaker 5: the only way that they're going to get to that

552
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Speaker 5: position and to a thousand percent meeting their values is

553
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Speaker 5: if I engage with them now so that they can

554
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Speaker 5: grow their business. So I think it's it's up to you,

555
00:24:35,040 --> 00:24:37,520
Speaker 5: and it's up to how you want to do things.

556
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Speaker 5: But it's really about looking at it, looking at you know.

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Speaker 5: I mean, if you could deep dive into what their

558
00:24:42,160 --> 00:24:44,760
Speaker 5: raw materials are or if they use chemical treatments, or

559
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Speaker 5: like what their garment production process looks like, or what

560
00:24:47,720 --> 00:24:50,080
Speaker 5: type of waste management plan they have, or like the

561
00:24:50,280 --> 00:24:53,720
Speaker 5: end of life cycle for products. But again, it's each

562
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Speaker 5: to their own, and to be honest, I would really

563
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Speaker 5: just start with Google if you're worried about a particular brand.

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Speaker 4: Okay, Okay, start with Google. That's always the answer I find.

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Speaker 5: Honestly, you could do my entire podcast. You could take

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00:25:06,000 --> 00:25:08,359
Speaker 5: my job by just googling it sometimes.

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00:25:08,760 --> 00:25:10,760
Speaker 4: Okay, don't do it. No, I won't.

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Speaker 1: I would like to keep my job.

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Speaker 4: Okay, let's go for a little break. Hot girl walk

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Speaker 4: if you will.

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Speaker 1: Go google some stuff.

572
00:25:17,119 --> 00:25:18,200
Speaker 4: Let's go google some stuff.

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Speaker 1: I'm going to google a hot girl walk, b Ib.

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Speaker 4: Welcome back to She's on the Money, Victoria. I feel

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Speaker 4: like I've aged like five years. I don't know if

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00:25:30,520 --> 00:25:32,680
Speaker 4: it's because it was gone for so long, but I'm

577
00:25:32,680 --> 00:25:34,600
Speaker 4: so happy to be back, and I'm really happy with

578
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Speaker 4: what we're talking about.

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Speaker 5: If anybody listened to last week's episode, they know there

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Speaker 5: was absolutely no chance of you aging five years.

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Speaker 1: But that's okay.

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Speaker 4: I don't listen to last week's episode, just kidding you

583
00:25:45,200 --> 00:25:47,800
Speaker 4: will learn a lot. So today we're talking about ethical

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Speaker 4: and sustainable fashion.

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Speaker 1: We are and fast fashion as well into the mix.

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Speaker 4: Yes, exactly. So I want to know what are the

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Speaker 4: increased costs with ethical and sustainable fashion.

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Speaker 5: There are a few, so obvious, So let's just talk

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00:26:00,680 --> 00:26:04,080
Speaker 5: about fabric to begin with, the price of sustainable fabrics

590
00:26:04,080 --> 00:26:07,440
Speaker 5: are often on average two and a half to four

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Speaker 5: times more expensive in comparison to more commonly used fabrics, right,

592
00:26:12,240 --> 00:26:14,399
Speaker 5: and this is partly because they're more expensive for the

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Speaker 5: manufacturers to produce. So an example of that, organic cotton

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00:26:18,320 --> 00:26:21,120
Speaker 5: needs to be grown in different soil that's been cleansed

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Speaker 5: for at least three years. I didn't know that, but

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Speaker 5: three years to allow it to return to the level

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Speaker 5: of biodiversity and reading a quote here, biodiversity which allows

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Speaker 5: the crop to grow naturally without toxic fertilizers.

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Speaker 1: So that's a big investment to begin here.

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Speaker 5: And then organic cotton needs to be picked by hand,

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Speaker 5: and it also doesn't grow as efficiently as one that

602
00:26:43,160 --> 00:26:45,680
Speaker 5: used some toxins in it, but the quality is much

603
00:26:45,720 --> 00:26:48,320
Speaker 5: higher and it's much more durable, which should make it

604
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Speaker 5: fair that it makes more sense that it's more expensive, right,

605
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Speaker 5: Like when you start talking about that, you're like, Wow,

606
00:26:53,119 --> 00:26:54,919
Speaker 5: that's time, that's energy, that's effort.

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Speaker 4: Check out.

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Speaker 5: And then if you're dying that fabric or like printing

609
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Speaker 5: on it, it is more time consuming and more cost

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Speaker 5: consuming as well. Also, eco textiles and dies are more

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00:27:05,480 --> 00:27:08,159
Speaker 5: expensive because they are less in demand. The mass produced

612
00:27:08,200 --> 00:27:12,760
Speaker 5: stuff like just polyest Then we've got packaging, which is massive.

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Speaker 5: Packaging is a massive grap for me, we're not going

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Speaker 5: to get onto that. But these brands will also generally

615
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Speaker 5: try to conserve and reuse and recycle all of the

616
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Speaker 5: extra bits that we forget about when it comes to fashion.

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Speaker 5: So the packaging, the swing tags, all of that stuff,

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Speaker 5: and some they even take the time to make reusable

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Speaker 5: seeded paper for swing tags, which then you can plant

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Speaker 5: in your garden a home, which I think is really cute,

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Speaker 5: but that's really expensive to produce.

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Speaker 1: Like it's not it's really wholesome. They oh, where did

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Speaker 1: you get this flower?

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Speaker 6: Oh?

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00:27:39,920 --> 00:27:43,440
Speaker 1: It came from my T shirt packet, So cute happened.

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Speaker 4: Another big part of me, and that is actually paying your.

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Speaker 5: Workers one hundred percent. This is something that extends internationally.

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Speaker 5: But according to Ox vams what she Makes campaign.

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Speaker 1: Which I love.

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Speaker 5: Bangladeshi garment workers were paid less than forty cents per hour,

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Speaker 5: oh my gosh, which equates to about three dollars sixty

632
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Speaker 5: per day in twenty eighteen. That is way less than

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Speaker 5: a living wage, even in Bangladesh, because obviously some people

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Speaker 5: will say, oh, v but you don't know what a

635
00:28:14,400 --> 00:28:16,399
Speaker 5: living wage in that country looks like that is a

636
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Speaker 5: lot like beck you're literally from Bangladesh.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I went to visit there once. My dad gave

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Speaker 4: my grandma. I think it would have been maybe fifty dollars,

639
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Speaker 4: but there was the biggest deal because they it's you know,

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00:28:26,880 --> 00:28:30,200
Speaker 4: they live quite a frugal life, real life. But yeah,

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Speaker 4: it's not. It's not the case that like, oh everything's

642
00:28:32,320 --> 00:28:34,960
Speaker 4: so cheap, so forty, so much money. But no, it's

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Speaker 4: it's not the case at all.

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Speaker 5: Don't you dare come into my DMS about that that

645
00:28:38,680 --> 00:28:41,400
Speaker 5: is not a living wage. Yet it would only cost

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Speaker 5: fast fashion brands less than one percent of the pricing

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Speaker 5: for the garment that they're selling to pay their workers properly.

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Speaker 1: Geez, isn't that disgusting?

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Speaker 5: It's really just choosing not to. They're just choosing not

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Speaker 5: to for one percent more disgusting.

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Speaker 4: That is so bad.

652
00:28:54,880 --> 00:28:57,840
Speaker 5: Meanwhile, the owners and the CEOs of fast Passion brands

653
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Speaker 5: can earn a garment workers lifetime salary in four days.

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Speaker 4: Oh my god, that is so outrageous.

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Speaker 5: Which I mean, isn't that much if you're only being

656
00:29:07,320 --> 00:29:09,840
Speaker 5: paid three dollars sixty a day? But yes, it is

657
00:29:09,880 --> 00:29:13,800
Speaker 5: actually insane because when we talk about that, a CEO

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Speaker 5: of a flast fashion brand can earn a properly paid

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Speaker 5: workers income in four days, and only one in ten

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Speaker 5: fashion brands in Australia actually pay a living wage to

661
00:29:23,520 --> 00:29:27,160
Speaker 5: workers in some factories across their supply chain, leaving millions

662
00:29:27,240 --> 00:29:29,440
Speaker 5: unable to earn enough to keep their families out of

663
00:29:29,440 --> 00:29:33,120
Speaker 5: extreme poverty, which comes from legit research from the Ethical

664
00:29:33,160 --> 00:29:39,200
Speaker 5: Fashion Report from Baptist World Ease. That is insane and disgusting,

665
00:29:39,600 --> 00:29:42,760
Speaker 5: so disgusting, like I don't want to be part of that,

666
00:29:43,360 --> 00:29:45,960
Speaker 5: and I think that that again massive privilege to be

667
00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:47,360
Speaker 5: able to say I don't want to be part of

668
00:29:47,360 --> 00:29:49,880
Speaker 5: that and then exit that. But we can all try

669
00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:52,320
Speaker 5: to make more sustainable choices where we can. But a

670
00:29:52,360 --> 00:29:54,680
Speaker 5: living wage should be earned in a standard working week

671
00:29:54,720 --> 00:29:57,160
Speaker 5: of not more than forty eight hours by a worker

672
00:29:57,680 --> 00:30:00,640
Speaker 5: and be enough to afford a decent standard living for

673
00:30:00,640 --> 00:30:03,880
Speaker 5: the worker and their family. But while these standards do

674
00:30:04,080 --> 00:30:07,120
Speaker 5: vary regardless of what the actual dollar amount is, a

675
00:30:07,120 --> 00:30:13,000
Speaker 5: living wage should cover the cost of food, housing, healthcare, clothing, education, transport, energy, water,

676
00:30:13,120 --> 00:30:17,480
Speaker 5: and small amounts of savings for unexpected events. But unfortunately,

677
00:30:17,520 --> 00:30:20,720
Speaker 5: there are many countries that do not have legal requirements

678
00:30:20,760 --> 00:30:23,520
Speaker 5: back to even bother paying a leaving wage, and if

679
00:30:23,520 --> 00:30:26,880
Speaker 5: they do, in many cases there's actually just really little

680
00:30:26,880 --> 00:30:29,520
Speaker 5: interest in following those and a lot of repercussions for

681
00:30:29,600 --> 00:30:32,840
Speaker 5: just not doing it. That is so bad, it's actually disgusting.

682
00:30:33,200 --> 00:30:34,600
Speaker 5: So fast fashion has.

683
00:30:34,480 --> 00:30:39,000
Speaker 4: Created this completely crazy parallel universe of expectation on seasons

684
00:30:39,480 --> 00:30:40,640
Speaker 4: and also cost. Right.

685
00:30:40,840 --> 00:30:43,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, like, as we said before, there used to be

686
00:30:43,160 --> 00:30:43,880
Speaker 1: two seasons.

687
00:30:44,040 --> 00:30:47,560
Speaker 5: Now there are fifty two seasons. And it's from my

688
00:30:47,680 --> 00:30:51,520
Speaker 5: perspective as well, really warped what we think things should cost.

689
00:30:51,640 --> 00:30:54,800
Speaker 5: And they can take clothes to rock bottom prices only

690
00:30:54,840 --> 00:30:56,880
Speaker 5: to be cutting a lot of the corners, and they

691
00:30:57,000 --> 00:30:59,080
Speaker 5: use the cheapest fabrics and they pay the lowest cost

692
00:30:59,120 --> 00:31:02,280
Speaker 5: for manufacturing, even if this means that there is child

693
00:31:02,360 --> 00:31:08,160
Speaker 5: labor and slave labor in the supply chain. Disgusting, literally disgusting.

694
00:31:08,400 --> 00:31:12,760
Speaker 5: And it's interesting as well because historically fast fashion was

695
00:31:12,800 --> 00:31:15,800
Speaker 5: basically all that was accessible to me. And that's okay.

696
00:31:15,840 --> 00:31:18,600
Speaker 5: I think everyone most people have been in that circumstance

697
00:31:18,680 --> 00:31:22,040
Speaker 5: and that's totally okay. But as I started to earn

698
00:31:22,120 --> 00:31:25,120
Speaker 5: more and you know, try to make more conscious decisions,

699
00:31:25,200 --> 00:31:27,000
Speaker 5: whether that is me trying to be ethical or just

700
00:31:27,000 --> 00:31:29,280
Speaker 5: seeing stuff, you know, seeing a dress on Instagram that

701
00:31:29,320 --> 00:31:31,920
Speaker 5: I really like and looking into the brand, you start

702
00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:34,080
Speaker 5: to look at it and remember this dress. Right, Like,

703
00:31:34,160 --> 00:31:37,440
Speaker 5: I'm known for a white dress, like and maybe not publicly,

704
00:31:37,520 --> 00:31:40,040
Speaker 5: but like in my wardrobe is ninety percent white dresses.

705
00:31:40,080 --> 00:31:40,560
Speaker 1: I love them.

706
00:31:40,800 --> 00:31:43,000
Speaker 5: I saw this white dress online that I really liked,

707
00:31:43,040 --> 00:31:45,200
Speaker 5: and I went to the website of the company and

708
00:31:45,200 --> 00:31:48,320
Speaker 5: it was a small Australian designer, Like they were really little.

709
00:31:48,360 --> 00:31:51,400
Speaker 5: I'd just seen it on a friend's Instagram, Like, not massive,

710
00:31:51,520 --> 00:31:54,040
Speaker 5: like fancy one like Dally or Scanlon thead or. It

711
00:31:54,120 --> 00:31:57,000
Speaker 5: was literally just a small designer and the dress was

712
00:31:57,040 --> 00:31:58,320
Speaker 5: like four hundred dollars.

713
00:31:58,080 --> 00:32:00,880
Speaker 1: And I was four hundred dollars that's all lot of money.

714
00:32:01,280 --> 00:32:03,080
Speaker 1: And I left it because I was like, that's a

715
00:32:03,120 --> 00:32:04,920
Speaker 1: lot of money for a dress. I don't really want

716
00:32:04,960 --> 00:32:05,280
Speaker 1: to do that.

717
00:32:05,400 --> 00:32:07,960
Speaker 5: And then a couple of months later, the same creator,

718
00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:11,320
Speaker 5: like that designer came up on my TikTok explaining her

719
00:32:11,360 --> 00:32:14,440
Speaker 5: process and her design and how she picks her fabrics

720
00:32:14,480 --> 00:32:16,920
Speaker 5: and how long it takes, and like she kind of

721
00:32:16,960 --> 00:32:19,120
Speaker 5: took us through here's my studio and it's you know

722
00:32:19,240 --> 00:32:21,560
Speaker 5: room at home and I make these dresses and how

723
00:32:21,600 --> 00:32:24,160
Speaker 5: many hours it took, and she like had distilled it

724
00:32:24,280 --> 00:32:27,840
Speaker 5: down to not only do I, you know, I pay this,

725
00:32:27,840 --> 00:32:29,600
Speaker 5: this and this, and she was really transparent and I

726
00:32:29,640 --> 00:32:30,160
Speaker 5: can't remember.

727
00:32:30,240 --> 00:32:33,320
Speaker 1: I'll try and find it and link it. But she explained, okay, well,

728
00:32:33,360 --> 00:32:35,760
Speaker 1: the fabric actually costs me this much, and I don't

729
00:32:35,800 --> 00:32:37,920
Speaker 1: have the means to bowl order it because I can't

730
00:32:37,920 --> 00:32:38,360
Speaker 1: afford it.

731
00:32:38,400 --> 00:32:40,480
Speaker 5: So it's like, you know, maybe thirty dollars a fabric,

732
00:32:40,520 --> 00:32:42,880
Speaker 5: and then I have all of these you know buttons

733
00:32:42,880 --> 00:32:44,440
Speaker 5: that then go on the dress, and they're kind of

734
00:32:44,440 --> 00:32:47,120
Speaker 5: expensive because they're plated, so that's another thirty dollars. So

735
00:32:47,160 --> 00:32:48,960
Speaker 5: that's sixty dollars we're setting it, and then I have

736
00:32:49,000 --> 00:32:51,720
Speaker 5: to use this expensive machine. And then on top of that,

737
00:32:51,800 --> 00:32:55,040
Speaker 5: I'm spending eight hours per dress to make them, because

738
00:32:55,080 --> 00:32:57,000
Speaker 5: you know, it's got these beautiful ribs on the front

739
00:32:57,040 --> 00:32:59,040
Speaker 5: of it, and when you distell it down, she's not

740
00:32:59,280 --> 00:33:02,760
Speaker 5: making nearly anup for that dress, but she didn't want

741
00:33:02,800 --> 00:33:04,920
Speaker 5: to charge more because she really wanted to get her

742
00:33:04,920 --> 00:33:07,640
Speaker 5: fashion out there. And I ended up buying the dress

743
00:33:07,680 --> 00:33:09,560
Speaker 5: after seeing that because I was like, oh my gosh,

744
00:33:10,320 --> 00:33:13,480
Speaker 5: I get it now. But it made me feel really

745
00:33:13,600 --> 00:33:16,840
Speaker 5: terrible because originally, when I'd gone to her Instagram and

746
00:33:16,880 --> 00:33:18,360
Speaker 5: clicked on the shop thing and seen that the.

747
00:33:18,400 --> 00:33:20,560
Speaker 1: Dress was four hundred dollars, I was like, that's too much.

748
00:33:20,600 --> 00:33:23,080
Speaker 1: That's insane. I'm not paying four hundred dollars through dress.

749
00:33:23,160 --> 00:33:26,720
Speaker 5: No, No, but it makes sense, right, And I do

750
00:33:26,920 --> 00:33:31,360
Speaker 5: genuinely believe that you said before this completely crazy parallel universe.

751
00:33:31,400 --> 00:33:33,640
Speaker 5: And that's what that made me think of, because it

752
00:33:33,720 --> 00:33:37,200
Speaker 5: really has warped what we think things should cost because

753
00:33:37,280 --> 00:33:40,120
Speaker 5: that dress, yes, it was four hundred dollars, but like

754
00:33:40,320 --> 00:33:43,360
Speaker 5: she'd calculated her hourly rate and worked out like how

755
00:33:43,440 --> 00:33:45,400
Speaker 5: much she makes and it was like thirteen dollars an hour,

756
00:33:45,440 --> 00:33:47,840
Speaker 5: which in Israelia is not a living wage. Yeah, And

757
00:33:47,920 --> 00:33:49,920
Speaker 5: I remember just being like oh, okay, well, I do

758
00:33:49,960 --> 00:33:51,680
Speaker 5: want to support her business. I do want to buy

759
00:33:51,680 --> 00:33:53,360
Speaker 5: that I do want her to be successful, and the

760
00:33:53,400 --> 00:33:56,000
Speaker 5: only way to success for her is to actually get.

761
00:33:55,800 --> 00:33:57,000
Speaker 1: Into the hands of people.

762
00:33:57,400 --> 00:34:00,880
Speaker 5: And yeah, it just kind of reminded me that fashion

763
00:34:01,000 --> 00:34:03,239
Speaker 5: is not meant to just be bought, and you know,

764
00:34:03,400 --> 00:34:06,320
Speaker 5: wearing a dress once is actually acceptable. It's not like

765
00:34:06,400 --> 00:34:07,880
Speaker 5: I love that dress. I wear it all the time.

766
00:34:07,920 --> 00:34:09,640
Speaker 5: You guys have seen it a million times because I

767
00:34:09,680 --> 00:34:11,120
Speaker 5: just wear it in and out of the office, and

768
00:34:11,160 --> 00:34:13,759
Speaker 5: like it's one of those things. But it's also not

769
00:34:13,840 --> 00:34:16,840
Speaker 5: only has our I guess mindset been warped into assuming

770
00:34:16,880 --> 00:34:18,799
Speaker 5: that a four hundred dollar dress is too expensive and

771
00:34:18,880 --> 00:34:22,760
Speaker 5: again just highlighting privilege. That is a very expensive dress.

772
00:34:22,840 --> 00:34:24,960
Speaker 5: By no means I am I trying to tell people

773
00:34:25,200 --> 00:34:25,960
Speaker 5: go spend four.

774
00:34:25,840 --> 00:34:28,040
Speaker 1: Hundred dollars on dresses. It's more ethical, That's not what

775
00:34:28,080 --> 00:34:28,680
Speaker 1: I'm saying.

776
00:34:29,320 --> 00:34:32,319
Speaker 5: But cost per wear comes into it as well, Like

777
00:34:32,520 --> 00:34:34,000
Speaker 5: I wear that dress all the time, and.

778
00:34:33,960 --> 00:34:35,120
Speaker 1: That's actually the purpose.

779
00:34:35,640 --> 00:34:37,680
Speaker 5: Like Beck, you shouldn't be buying a T shirt if

780
00:34:37,680 --> 00:34:39,680
Speaker 5: you're just gonna wear it one time with one outfit

781
00:34:40,040 --> 00:34:41,880
Speaker 5: because you want to go out on a Saturday. We

782
00:34:41,880 --> 00:34:44,200
Speaker 5: shouldn't be buying dresses so that we can, you know,

783
00:34:44,239 --> 00:34:46,200
Speaker 5: wear it to our friend's wedding and then never never

784
00:34:46,200 --> 00:34:46,959
Speaker 5: pick it up again.

785
00:34:47,080 --> 00:34:50,520
Speaker 1: I just think that there's this really weird idea.

786
00:34:50,680 --> 00:34:52,440
Speaker 5: And you guys know that I talk about, you know,

787
00:34:52,560 --> 00:34:54,920
Speaker 5: re wearing stuff all the time, and I would love

788
00:34:55,000 --> 00:34:57,319
Speaker 5: to think that I'm the coin of that. I just

789
00:34:57,360 --> 00:34:59,360
Speaker 5: can't understand why we need to buy new dresses for

790
00:34:59,360 --> 00:35:02,719
Speaker 5: absolutely every single event. We've had our International Women's Day

791
00:35:02,719 --> 00:35:06,360
Speaker 5: events recently, and oh my gosh, beck I felt like

792
00:35:06,400 --> 00:35:09,239
Speaker 5: I made it. A couple of companies reached out and said,

793
00:35:09,440 --> 00:35:11,520
Speaker 5: can we give you dresses to wear to those events?

794
00:35:11,680 --> 00:35:14,880
Speaker 1: I felt so baller, that is so cool, so cool,

795
00:35:15,120 --> 00:35:18,560
Speaker 1: I said, no, I already have dresses, Like I already

796
00:35:18,640 --> 00:35:21,040
Speaker 1: have a few dresses that I you know, in my head,

797
00:35:21,080 --> 00:35:23,400
Speaker 1: like because International Women's Day is my favorite thing in

798
00:35:23,440 --> 00:35:24,080
Speaker 1: the entire world.

799
00:35:24,120 --> 00:35:26,120
Speaker 5: I'd been planning it for months. I was like, okay, cool,

800
00:35:26,160 --> 00:35:28,480
Speaker 5: I have this dress. And you know, there's this one

801
00:35:28,480 --> 00:35:30,799
Speaker 5: particular dress that I'd worn a few times and really loved.

802
00:35:30,800 --> 00:35:32,759
Speaker 5: And then my best friend borrowed it for like my

803
00:35:32,880 --> 00:35:35,480
Speaker 5: wedding recovery party, and then like another friend borrowed it

804
00:35:35,480 --> 00:35:37,680
Speaker 5: because I'd seen it and Gabby's borrowed it before and

805
00:35:37,760 --> 00:35:39,279
Speaker 5: used it, and I just really wanted to wear that

806
00:35:39,320 --> 00:35:41,120
Speaker 5: because it's a dress that I feel good.

807
00:35:41,000 --> 00:35:43,240
Speaker 1: In and I feel confident in. And they don't understand

808
00:35:43,280 --> 00:35:45,200
Speaker 1: why I would buy it, wear it once and then say, oh,

809
00:35:45,239 --> 00:35:47,239
Speaker 1: I can't wear that again because I wore that.

810
00:35:47,160 --> 00:35:49,000
Speaker 5: And I was seen in that at some other event.

811
00:35:49,160 --> 00:35:51,319
Speaker 5: Why like, can't we just buy a dress that makes

812
00:35:51,400 --> 00:35:53,000
Speaker 5: us feel good and wear it all the time because

813
00:35:53,000 --> 00:35:55,439
Speaker 5: I still look good in at the third, fourth, fiftieth time.

814
00:35:55,920 --> 00:35:59,160
Speaker 5: I just don't understand anyway. So that wasn't me trying

815
00:35:59,160 --> 00:36:00,719
Speaker 5: to flex and be like, oh, someone said that I

816
00:36:00,719 --> 00:36:03,080
Speaker 5: could have free dresses and I said no, cool, But

817
00:36:03,400 --> 00:36:06,400
Speaker 5: it really made me think because I was kind of like, okay,

818
00:36:06,640 --> 00:36:08,520
Speaker 5: and I did go down that track of going, oh

819
00:36:08,520 --> 00:36:10,279
Speaker 5: my gosh, this brand's amazing, Like I would love to

820
00:36:10,280 --> 00:36:12,319
Speaker 5: go on their website and pick four random dresses for

821
00:36:12,400 --> 00:36:14,600
Speaker 5: these four events that I have coming up. And I'm

822
00:36:14,640 --> 00:36:17,560
Speaker 5: not saying I never buy new stuff, but I got

823
00:36:17,640 --> 00:36:21,120
Speaker 5: to their website and found my mindset going, I need

824
00:36:21,120 --> 00:36:24,360
Speaker 5: to find four dresses. I hadn't thought about that brand

825
00:36:24,440 --> 00:36:27,080
Speaker 5: before then. I hadn't gone, oh, I really like that dress.

826
00:36:27,120 --> 00:36:29,120
Speaker 5: I wonder if I could work with them, Like they

827
00:36:29,120 --> 00:36:30,880
Speaker 5: were just going to send me four random dresses and

828
00:36:30,920 --> 00:36:32,160
Speaker 5: it just felt a bit wrong.

829
00:36:32,440 --> 00:36:35,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, does that make sense that? Like it sounds fuller

830
00:36:35,120 --> 00:36:36,120
Speaker 1: at the start, and then you're.

831
00:36:36,000 --> 00:36:38,520
Speaker 4: Like, oh, yeah, I really like knuckle down.

832
00:36:38,719 --> 00:36:41,560
Speaker 5: Yeah, and like, as someone who really wants to live

833
00:36:41,560 --> 00:36:43,600
Speaker 5: their values as well, it felt nice to go, no,

834
00:36:43,800 --> 00:36:46,000
Speaker 5: you know what, I really do like that. And hopefully

835
00:36:46,040 --> 00:36:48,719
Speaker 5: even if one person in our community notices, oh, that

836
00:36:48,800 --> 00:36:50,880
Speaker 5: was a dress that Victoria had already worn, Like I

837
00:36:50,960 --> 00:36:52,719
Speaker 5: kind of like that and they do the same thing.

838
00:36:52,760 --> 00:36:55,400
Speaker 5: It's like small things in the right direction, right absolutely.

839
00:36:55,560 --> 00:36:58,040
Speaker 4: On that vet, Tell me about cost per weear, I've

840
00:36:58,080 --> 00:36:59,799
Speaker 4: actually never really thought about that.

841
00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:01,880
Speaker 1: Tell me you haven't listened to all of the Sheese

842
00:37:01,880 --> 00:37:04,160
Speaker 1: on the Money podcast without telling me, I don't listen

843
00:37:04,200 --> 00:37:05,320
Speaker 1: to all of our podcasts.

844
00:37:06,040 --> 00:37:09,440
Speaker 5: But okay, So essentially, cost per wear is something that

845
00:37:09,480 --> 00:37:14,000
Speaker 5: we talk about to reduce the item's cost, or from

846
00:37:14,040 --> 00:37:17,480
Speaker 5: my perspective, sometimes just justify purchasing that item that maybe

847
00:37:17,520 --> 00:37:19,560
Speaker 5: on a need, I'll tell myself up, but I'll get

848
00:37:19,560 --> 00:37:20,400
Speaker 5: a hips aware out of it.

849
00:37:20,480 --> 00:37:22,000
Speaker 1: Cost per wear on this will be so low.

850
00:37:22,160 --> 00:37:24,520
Speaker 5: But essentially, if you buy a twenty dollar dress and

851
00:37:24,560 --> 00:37:27,160
Speaker 5: you wear it only once, that cost twenty dollars and

852
00:37:27,200 --> 00:37:30,040
Speaker 5: that's actually not that great of an investment. But if

853
00:37:30,040 --> 00:37:32,080
Speaker 5: you went and bought a two hundred dollar dress made

854
00:37:32,120 --> 00:37:35,080
Speaker 5: of sustainable materials and you wear it ten times, that's

855
00:37:35,080 --> 00:37:39,160
Speaker 5: also twenty dollars aware, so you kind of justify it

856
00:37:39,160 --> 00:37:42,440
Speaker 5: in a way, but it has less damaging materials upon disposal,

857
00:37:42,560 --> 00:37:46,040
Speaker 5: and it's better in all. And if you bought that

858
00:37:46,080 --> 00:37:48,040
Speaker 5: twenty dollar dress just to wear out one Saturday, and

859
00:37:48,080 --> 00:37:49,520
Speaker 5: you bought it online and it was in a sale,

860
00:37:49,560 --> 00:37:52,120
Speaker 5: and maybe you don't even wear it, who knows, that

861
00:37:52,200 --> 00:37:55,320
Speaker 5: actually ends up costing you personally more than an item

862
00:37:55,400 --> 00:37:57,319
Speaker 5: that you bought for two hundred dollars that you keep

863
00:37:57,360 --> 00:37:59,640
Speaker 5: wearing and wear again, and you know, actually get a

864
00:37:59,680 --> 00:38:01,799
Speaker 5: lot of we are out of because if you then

865
00:38:01,880 --> 00:38:04,319
Speaker 5: get address that's worth two hundred bucks and you know

866
00:38:04,360 --> 00:38:05,560
Speaker 5: you have it for five years and you wear it

867
00:38:05,600 --> 00:38:08,080
Speaker 5: two hundred times, that's a dollar per way. H It's

868
00:38:08,080 --> 00:38:11,080
Speaker 5: pretty good, all right, and it justifies the item in

869
00:38:11,120 --> 00:38:14,880
Speaker 5: a way. Yeah, again, I do think we really really

870
00:38:14,880 --> 00:38:17,279
Speaker 5: set out to buy something once when we buy it

871
00:38:17,360 --> 00:38:20,440
Speaker 5: we justify it to ourselves, but it's an impulse.

872
00:38:20,880 --> 00:38:21,080
Speaker 2: You know.

873
00:38:21,160 --> 00:38:23,479
Speaker 5: We might be late night scrolling, we might see something

874
00:38:23,520 --> 00:38:25,680
Speaker 5: on sale and before you know, you've bought it, or

875
00:38:25,960 --> 00:38:28,120
Speaker 5: you know what, I have bought so many items that

876
00:38:28,200 --> 00:38:31,279
Speaker 5: I didn't need because I was anxious. So like I

877
00:38:31,360 --> 00:38:34,320
Speaker 5: might be anxious of going out to my friend's birthday

878
00:38:34,400 --> 00:38:37,040
Speaker 5: on the weekend because you know, when I was younger,

879
00:38:37,040 --> 00:38:38,960
Speaker 5: they might be a boy there that I liked, or

880
00:38:39,120 --> 00:38:40,960
Speaker 5: there might be like a new group of girls that

881
00:38:41,000 --> 00:38:42,759
Speaker 5: I'm being introduced to, and I want to make a

882
00:38:42,800 --> 00:38:44,960
Speaker 5: good impression. And one way that I would lessen my

883
00:38:45,040 --> 00:38:47,840
Speaker 5: anxiety was to go and purchase a new item that

884
00:38:47,840 --> 00:38:49,680
Speaker 5: made me feel good about myself. And I'm not saying

885
00:38:49,719 --> 00:38:52,279
Speaker 5: don't do these things, but the amount of times I

886
00:38:52,320 --> 00:38:54,600
Speaker 5: bought something that genuinely I.

887
00:38:54,560 --> 00:38:57,000
Speaker 1: Didn't need is immeasurable.

888
00:38:57,320 --> 00:38:58,759
Speaker 5: Like I would just buy stuff because it makes me

889
00:38:58,760 --> 00:39:00,439
Speaker 5: feel better, right, And I think a lot of us

890
00:39:00,719 --> 00:39:03,759
Speaker 5: it's retail therapy, right, Yeah, A lot of us use

891
00:39:03,840 --> 00:39:06,920
Speaker 5: that as a tool to manage our emotions instead of

892
00:39:06,960 --> 00:39:09,400
Speaker 5: just looking into like why do I feel like I

893
00:39:09,440 --> 00:39:11,880
Speaker 5: need a new dress? Like, no one's going to judge

894
00:39:11,920 --> 00:39:14,560
Speaker 5: me for wearing a dress I already have and already

895
00:39:14,560 --> 00:39:15,120
Speaker 5: look good in.

896
00:39:15,680 --> 00:39:17,240
Speaker 1: Why wouldn't I say that income?

897
00:39:17,520 --> 00:39:20,160
Speaker 5: It's an interesting concept, and I guess when clothes are

898
00:39:20,200 --> 00:39:24,000
Speaker 5: priced cheaply, they kind of do seem like single use items,

899
00:39:24,000 --> 00:39:27,040
Speaker 5: and it implies that our clothes are in a way disposable.

900
00:39:27,239 --> 00:39:29,800
Speaker 5: And if we buy that message, I think it's really dangerous.

901
00:39:29,840 --> 00:39:32,520
Speaker 5: And I mean, this cost per wear thing makes sense,

902
00:39:32,560 --> 00:39:34,360
Speaker 5: but it goes back to that example I gave you

903
00:39:34,400 --> 00:39:35,720
Speaker 5: earlier about school shoes.

904
00:39:36,040 --> 00:39:38,799
Speaker 4: So let's say you're in minimum wage. You would love

905
00:39:38,960 --> 00:39:42,520
Speaker 4: to buy something that's two hundred dollars instead of three

906
00:39:42,600 --> 00:39:45,319
Speaker 4: dollars because you want to get more use out of it. Also,

907
00:39:45,360 --> 00:39:49,120
Speaker 4: you want to be looking at an ethical and sustainable brand.

908
00:39:49,280 --> 00:39:50,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, how do you?

909
00:39:50,760 --> 00:39:52,399
Speaker 4: What do you do? If you only have like three

910
00:39:52,480 --> 00:39:53,200
Speaker 4: dollars to your name?

911
00:39:53,440 --> 00:39:55,080
Speaker 5: You can still buy the Kmart T shirt. And I

912
00:39:55,080 --> 00:39:56,600
Speaker 5: don't think you should feel bad about it.

913
00:39:56,600 --> 00:39:57,080
Speaker 4: That's nice.

914
00:39:57,200 --> 00:39:59,040
Speaker 5: I just don't think you should feel bad about that.

915
00:39:59,080 --> 00:40:01,640
Speaker 5: I think it's all about my if your budget or

916
00:40:01,680 --> 00:40:04,600
Speaker 5: only allows for that item. I mean there's lots of things.

917
00:40:04,640 --> 00:40:06,319
Speaker 5: I could sit here and be like, okay, cool, Well

918
00:40:06,320 --> 00:40:08,080
Speaker 5: you should be trying to op shop and you should

919
00:40:08,120 --> 00:40:10,120
Speaker 5: be trying to thrift things, and maybe you could like

920
00:40:10,160 --> 00:40:12,560
Speaker 5: ask a friend, or you could like do a million

921
00:40:12,600 --> 00:40:15,360
Speaker 5: other things, right, But sometimes you just need a brand

922
00:40:15,360 --> 00:40:17,880
Speaker 5: new crisp white T shirt, and if your budget is

923
00:40:17,920 --> 00:40:21,680
Speaker 5: only allowing for you to purchase that from Camar, I

924
00:40:21,680 --> 00:40:24,560
Speaker 5: think the mindset around that should be more of this

925
00:40:24,640 --> 00:40:27,840
Speaker 5: is what my budget allows? Do I actually need this item?

926
00:40:27,960 --> 00:40:28,319
Speaker 4: How much?

927
00:40:28,320 --> 00:40:29,719
Speaker 1: Where am I going to get out of it?

928
00:40:30,120 --> 00:40:32,920
Speaker 5: Checking items like that, I feel like I shouldn't throw

929
00:40:32,960 --> 00:40:34,399
Speaker 5: came Out under a bus, and I'm not. I love

930
00:40:34,440 --> 00:40:37,680
Speaker 5: came Out as much as everybody else in the entire world.

931
00:40:37,760 --> 00:40:39,640
Speaker 5: It's one of my favorite shops to go through, and

932
00:40:39,680 --> 00:40:41,759
Speaker 5: I swear every time I go in there for one thing,

933
00:40:41,800 --> 00:40:44,279
Speaker 5: I come out with fifty. I am not immune to

934
00:40:44,320 --> 00:40:47,120
Speaker 5: that either. But like having a look at things and

935
00:40:47,120 --> 00:40:48,440
Speaker 5: going are they actually okay?

936
00:40:48,560 --> 00:40:50,799
Speaker 1: Quality? Like is this going to serve me? Like if

937
00:40:50,840 --> 00:40:52,680
Speaker 1: you need that white T shirt? Does came Out?

938
00:40:52,719 --> 00:40:54,560
Speaker 5: Have a few options that you could have a look

939
00:40:54,560 --> 00:40:58,160
Speaker 5: at and pick the best quality one, not impulse purchasing

940
00:40:58,200 --> 00:41:01,319
Speaker 5: things and actually purchasing things you need. So I think

941
00:41:01,400 --> 00:41:03,919
Speaker 5: sometimes again, regardless of your income, we can all feel

942
00:41:03,960 --> 00:41:06,360
Speaker 5: anxious about buying things and justify that we need a

943
00:41:06,360 --> 00:41:06,839
Speaker 5: new T shirt.

944
00:41:06,880 --> 00:41:07,720
Speaker 1: Wheen, maybe we don't.

945
00:41:07,840 --> 00:41:10,960
Speaker 5: Let's check if we actually need that item, because it's

946
00:41:11,000 --> 00:41:13,359
Speaker 5: not that common to walk into an opshop and get

947
00:41:13,360 --> 00:41:15,080
Speaker 5: a perfectly crisp white T shirt.

948
00:41:15,200 --> 00:41:15,399
Speaker 1: Right.

949
00:41:15,760 --> 00:41:17,960
Speaker 5: We can thrif lots of things, but sometimes you just

950
00:41:18,000 --> 00:41:20,879
Speaker 5: need something new, and that's okay. And I think we

951
00:41:21,080 --> 00:41:23,840
Speaker 5: actually really need to break down that barrier of buying

952
00:41:23,920 --> 00:41:28,120
Speaker 5: fast fashion is terrible. I think buying fast fashion can

953
00:41:28,280 --> 00:41:31,280
Speaker 5: be really bad, and I want the industry to change,

954
00:41:31,320 --> 00:41:34,200
Speaker 5: but is not your personal responsibility. And I think that

955
00:41:34,239 --> 00:41:37,400
Speaker 5: if that's what your budget allows, that's totally okay. I

956
00:41:37,400 --> 00:41:40,520
Speaker 5: think it's more about your intention. If you're buying fast fashion,

957
00:41:40,600 --> 00:41:43,040
Speaker 5: let's try and make it not disposable. Let's try and

958
00:41:43,080 --> 00:41:44,719
Speaker 5: get good wear out of it. Let's make sure that

959
00:41:44,760 --> 00:41:46,880
Speaker 5: we are looking after our items and washing them properly.

960
00:41:46,920 --> 00:41:48,880
Speaker 5: And if they say don't tumble dry, just don't tumble

961
00:41:48,960 --> 00:41:51,080
Speaker 5: dry the items so it lasts longer and you're actually

962
00:41:51,120 --> 00:41:54,040
Speaker 5: getting wear out of your clothes. Stuff like that, I

963
00:41:54,080 --> 00:41:56,719
Speaker 5: think is what we really need to be considering. And

964
00:41:56,760 --> 00:41:59,359
Speaker 5: then as your income increases, maybe you can make more

965
00:41:59,400 --> 00:42:02,560
Speaker 5: sustainable decisions in the future. Maybe if your budget does

966
00:42:02,600 --> 00:42:04,880
Speaker 5: allow it. You can go thrift shopping and you know,

967
00:42:04,960 --> 00:42:07,560
Speaker 5: try and be a little bit more sustainable that way.

968
00:42:08,000 --> 00:42:10,640
Speaker 5: But I just think that it's rude and it is

969
00:42:11,080 --> 00:42:14,879
Speaker 5: disrespectful and it is a really cruel thing to make

970
00:42:14,920 --> 00:42:18,960
Speaker 5: people feel bad for the financial circumstances they're in and say, well,

971
00:42:18,960 --> 00:42:20,920
Speaker 5: I can't believe the only options you have are that

972
00:42:21,040 --> 00:42:23,799
Speaker 5: you should do better. That's awful. That's awful, and we

973
00:42:23,840 --> 00:42:26,000
Speaker 5: don't do that in this house. That is not who

974
00:42:26,000 --> 00:42:27,520
Speaker 5: we are. That is not what we do. What we

975
00:42:27,600 --> 00:42:30,680
Speaker 5: do is understand the environment, understand.

976
00:42:30,200 --> 00:42:30,759
Speaker 1: Where we are.

977
00:42:31,040 --> 00:42:34,359
Speaker 5: And then if you're in the privileged position to have

978
00:42:34,440 --> 00:42:36,960
Speaker 5: the budget that allows that, I think it is then

979
00:42:37,040 --> 00:42:40,680
Speaker 5: your responsibility to not be buying fast fashion. I think

980
00:42:40,760 --> 00:42:43,160
Speaker 5: you're the person that that is sitting on. So I

981
00:42:43,280 --> 00:42:45,960
Speaker 5: put a lot more onners on myself. Should I be

982
00:42:46,040 --> 00:42:49,439
Speaker 5: personally buying a Kmart T shirt? No, No, I don't

983
00:42:49,440 --> 00:42:52,560
Speaker 5: think I should be, because I have the power of choice.

984
00:42:52,840 --> 00:42:54,680
Speaker 5: I love that and I think that that's a very

985
00:42:54,719 --> 00:42:56,239
Speaker 5: big part of this and probably a really good.

986
00:42:56,160 --> 00:42:56,840
Speaker 1: Place to leave it.

987
00:42:56,920 --> 00:42:58,680
Speaker 4: Well, I feel so seen, b. Thank you so much

988
00:42:58,719 --> 00:43:00,840
Speaker 4: for that making me feel all all for this. But

989
00:43:00,920 --> 00:43:03,640
Speaker 4: I think it is worth mentioning that there are some

990
00:43:03,760 --> 00:43:06,759
Speaker 4: affordable places that you can go that are also like

991
00:43:06,880 --> 00:43:11,080
Speaker 4: ethically and sustainably sourced. And some of those, just off

992
00:43:11,120 --> 00:43:13,640
Speaker 4: the top of my head would be obviously op shops,

993
00:43:13,680 --> 00:43:16,520
Speaker 4: which now absolutely I'm trying to ease myself into.

994
00:43:16,920 --> 00:43:19,239
Speaker 5: I'll buy you some omo and some dead old wash

995
00:43:19,280 --> 00:43:21,120
Speaker 5: and then you might feel a little bit better about it.

996
00:43:21,160 --> 00:43:23,080
Speaker 4: Thank you. Maybe therapy could be useful.

997
00:43:23,160 --> 00:43:25,960
Speaker 1: That's actually just truly expensive gown.

998
00:43:27,440 --> 00:43:29,520
Speaker 5: Yeah, and with the fact that bulk billing in Australia

999
00:43:29,600 --> 00:43:31,880
Speaker 5: seems to be less and less prevalent, maybe we'll just

1000
00:43:31,920 --> 00:43:35,440
Speaker 5: go with the yeah, yeah, therapy.

1001
00:43:35,239 --> 00:43:38,840
Speaker 4: Yeah done, or yeah, so you know, obviously deep hop.

1002
00:43:39,080 --> 00:43:40,600
Speaker 4: I love a bit of deep hop, a bit of

1003
00:43:40,640 --> 00:43:41,080
Speaker 4: deep hop.

1004
00:43:41,200 --> 00:43:44,720
Speaker 1: Market market place is a very sexy place to exist.

1005
00:43:44,840 --> 00:43:45,839
Speaker 1: It is so good.

1006
00:43:45,880 --> 00:43:48,040
Speaker 4: It feels a bit different to thrift shopping too, because

1007
00:43:48,080 --> 00:43:49,520
Speaker 4: you can meet the owner.

1008
00:43:50,480 --> 00:43:52,920
Speaker 5: You are very weird in the way that you dostify

1009
00:43:53,000 --> 00:43:53,760
Speaker 5: things to yourself.

1010
00:43:54,160 --> 00:43:56,160
Speaker 1: But I'm here, don't know. I support you, no, I

1011
00:43:56,160 --> 00:43:57,120
Speaker 1: love it, thank you.

1012
00:43:57,680 --> 00:43:59,080
Speaker 4: Look, I think this is a really good place to

1013
00:43:59,160 --> 00:43:59,400
Speaker 4: leave it.

1014
00:43:59,560 --> 00:44:02,560
Speaker 5: I think so to equivalent A lot do good be good,

1015
00:44:02,680 --> 00:44:05,360
Speaker 5: but only in the breadths of what your resources allow.

1016
00:44:05,640 --> 00:44:07,960
Speaker 4: He year is exactly it absolutely love.

1017
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1018
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