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Speaker 1: Get a.

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Speaker 2: I'm Laala Berry, nutritionist, author, actor, TV presenter and professional oversharer.

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Speaker 2: This podcast is all about celebrating failure because I believe

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Speaker 2: it's a chance for us to learn, grow and face

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Speaker 2: our blind spots. Each week I'll interview a different guest

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Speaker 2: about their highs as well as their lows, all in

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Speaker 2: a bid to inspire us to fearlessly fail. Hello, Welcome

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Speaker 2: to the pod. Today we have Raddick Sally on the pod.

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Speaker 2: I'm really excited about this guest because it was so

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Speaker 2: fun to pick the brains of one of Australia's most

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Speaker 2: successful business people and serial entrepreneurs, especially in the health

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Speaker 2: and wellness sector. He is the former CEO of the

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Speaker 2: well known wellness brands Swiss, and we talk all about

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Speaker 2: celebrity ambassadors with the greats like Alan Nicole, Kidman, Chris Hemy.

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Speaker 1: He even talked about Kim Kardashian not.

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Speaker 2: Showing up to a Swiss event and how it kind

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Speaker 2: of worked in his favor. We also talk about the

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Speaker 2: importance of relationships, building momentum, building a culture on trust,

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Speaker 2: openness and respect. Raddick also has a book that is

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Speaker 2: about to come out. It's called How to Build a

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Speaker 2: billion dollar business. I have been lucky enough to read

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Speaker 2: some really great bits from it and I cannot wait

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Speaker 2: to get my hands on it.

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Speaker 1: So that comes out very very soon end of jan

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Speaker 1: And Raddick is the founder of Wonderlust.

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Speaker 2: So I don't know if you remember, but when I

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Speaker 2: came back from America, I was touring with Wonderlust True

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Speaker 2: North back in September last year. Now there's another one

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Speaker 2: in feb that Raddick's actually speaking at and he was

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Speaker 2: kind enough to give me a code in case you

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Speaker 2: guys want to go. So this discount code will last

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Speaker 2: from today January eighth through to January twenty second, and

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Speaker 2: there are Wonderlust all over Australia, True North, Wonderlust, Wonderlust

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Speaker 2: all over Australia. So this is the code, Lola, True

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Speaker 2: North ten will get you ten percent off a ticket.

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Speaker 2: And having done it all last year, it was loads

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Speaker 2: and loads of fun.

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Speaker 1: But whether you're into Wonderlust or not, whether you're.

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Speaker 2: Into business or not, I just think this pod is

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Speaker 2: going to be really fascinating for you. Raddick talks about

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Speaker 2: the importance of people, principle and passion and how that's.

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Speaker 1: More important human It comes before the profit.

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Speaker 2: I think it just made me kind of feel really

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Speaker 2: wholesome about learning about business and Raddick's strategy as well.

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Speaker 1: So I hope you love this app.

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Speaker 2: Like I said, the book's about to be out, he's

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Speaker 2: about to be touring wonder Last ye, you can soak

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Speaker 2: more of him up there. All the details for both

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Speaker 2: the book and for Wonderlust are going to be.

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Speaker 1: In your show notes.

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Speaker 2: Raddick Sally, Welcome to the pod. Hello, Lola, I'm actually

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Speaker 2: quite nervous to have you on. Can I explain.

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Speaker 3: Why I feel the same way?

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Speaker 2: So you are so calm right now, You're just like chill,

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Speaker 2: and I feel like I feel calmer talking to you.

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Speaker 2: But I was just saying to you before hit record,

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Speaker 2: I'm used to interviewing like creatives, which obviously you are,

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Speaker 2: but like actors and directors and what I can watch

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Speaker 2: this whole body of work. But with you, you are

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Speaker 2: this serial entrepreneur. You are one of Australia's most celebrated businessman,

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Speaker 2: and so it's like learning a new language researching you,

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Speaker 2: and like, I don't know, like it just feels like

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Speaker 2: a whole different beast. But I'm very excited to interview you.

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Speaker 2: But that's why I'm nervous. Just want to tell you

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Speaker 2: that straight out.

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Speaker 4: Of the gate, I can't imagine that you make people

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Speaker 4: feel so comfortable on this show.

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Speaker 1: So ah well, it's an honor to have you on here.

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Speaker 2: So one of the first things I not learned about

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Speaker 2: you it came across in I've listened to like a

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Speaker 2: bazillion podcast that you've done, and there was something where

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Speaker 2: you said, you've got to think about doing things slightly

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Speaker 2: different in a business perspective. And I think this is

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Speaker 2: going to sound like a huge generalization, but when we

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Speaker 2: like I'm sitting opposite you right now. You've got a

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Speaker 2: man bun, your bare foot, nice and chill. I feel

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Speaker 2: like you do look at business differently to most.

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Speaker 4: Would you agree, Yeah, I think that that's the only

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Speaker 3: You know, you're going to be different to make a difference.

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Speaker 4: It's quite my father said to me, but I'm sure

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Speaker 4: someone else made it up and it stuck with me

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Speaker 4: because the fact is that you know, we're all trained

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Speaker 3: And to be a true entrepreneur, you have to rewrite

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Speaker 4: And rewriting the rules means you need to rethink the

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Speaker 4: way things are done, you know, a tweak on on

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Speaker 4: what works, and then you're kind of spice that kind

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Speaker 1: You're kind of spice. I like that.

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Speaker 2: So would would you say one of the spices that

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Speaker 2: I love hearing the way you talk about values and

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Speaker 2: how values like I've even worked at places where I

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Speaker 3: Do?

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Speaker 1: You know what I mean? Like, I don't think that's uncommon.

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Speaker 1: So can you talk to me about culture?

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Speaker 2: And then how value is so imperative to kind of

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Speaker 4: Yeah, the thing that keeps me up at night is

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Speaker 4: how people feel about working with me. And you know,

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Speaker 4: a choice of language in how we kind of work

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Speaker 4: in the workplace is so important. And if you think

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Speaker 4: about anything, if you're encouraged to do it, you'll do better.

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Speaker 4: If you're hit with heavy language, it becomes difficult immediately.

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Speaker 4: Everyone's got a business plan and they follow pretty much

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Speaker 4: It takes years to get your values and your culture right.

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Speaker 4: And it's a relentless part, just like your business plan,

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Speaker 4: discuss it. You need to make sure your values cultures

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Speaker 4: similar kind of code that helps you get to, you know,

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Speaker 4: your better outcome, whatever your goalie is. Like our one

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Speaker 4: would do things like give a day off in a

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Speaker 4: But you know, like like this thing, it just continues

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Speaker 4: they're their values.

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Speaker 2: Health and Happiness Days. I love this idea of it

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so you earned it.

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Speaker 4: And so we had a whole lot of things that

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Speaker 4: that in the workplace. That's ninety percent of workplaces. People

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Speaker 3: Of the delivery. You've got to think about it.

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Speaker 4: You've got to give permission to have that open banner

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Speaker 3: What the LGR I was.

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Speaker 4: You know, I had many LGRs I should have been

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Speaker 2: I love the thing that my first memories of you

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Speaker 2: I remember being as someone that was there as kind

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Speaker 2: care that was taken for me as like, yes, I

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Speaker 3: Well?

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00:21:59,440 --> 00:22:01,480
Speaker 4: That part of the questional answer first, because it's the

444
00:22:01,560 --> 00:22:04,840
Speaker 4: most important part. They have to be values aligned. They

445
00:22:04,880 --> 00:22:09,000
Speaker 4: have to be what your organization stands for, what you're

446
00:22:09,440 --> 00:22:12,840
Speaker 4: trying to do, and it needs to be an authentic connection.

447
00:22:14,440 --> 00:22:15,440
Speaker 3: And so.

448
00:22:16,800 --> 00:22:20,120
Speaker 4: The whole notion of kind of entertainment and health when

449
00:22:20,160 --> 00:22:22,439
Speaker 4: I first started back in two thousand and five, and

450
00:22:22,480 --> 00:22:25,200
Speaker 4: you know that that's something you're onto a long time

451
00:22:25,240 --> 00:22:29,440
Speaker 4: back too, is kind of something new, and you know,

452
00:22:29,520 --> 00:22:32,640
Speaker 4: we're just talking about that being you in Australia, whereas

453
00:22:32,680 --> 00:22:35,840
Speaker 4: other places in the world, you know that they're seeing

454
00:22:35,880 --> 00:22:38,919
Speaker 4: that change and I think it's intrusively happening here as well.

455
00:22:39,640 --> 00:22:42,800
Speaker 4: We don't need to be miserable to be healthy. It's

456
00:22:42,840 --> 00:22:45,200
Speaker 4: a joyous experience. It should be the thing we look

457
00:22:45,200 --> 00:22:48,280
Speaker 4: forward to most. And so we're seeing that we can

458
00:22:48,359 --> 00:22:53,840
Speaker 4: do that through better teachers, better ambassadors, better people that

459
00:22:53,880 --> 00:22:57,560
Speaker 4: are kind of out there delivering that kind of outcome

460
00:22:57,600 --> 00:22:59,960
Speaker 4: in a more entertaining way, but democratizing it as way

461
00:23:00,359 --> 00:23:04,600
Speaker 4: and make it accessible and so the you know, I

462
00:23:04,600 --> 00:23:07,440
Speaker 4: worked at Village Road Show for ten or eleven years.

463
00:23:07,480 --> 00:23:11,080
Speaker 4: I studied film, got into exhibition cinemas, and by the

464
00:23:11,119 --> 00:23:13,000
Speaker 4: time I got off at a job in film, I

465
00:23:13,080 --> 00:23:15,200
Speaker 4: was getting paid too much running cinemas. So I stuck

466
00:23:15,240 --> 00:23:18,000
Speaker 4: with cinemas, and I loved being around films because every

467
00:23:18,000 --> 00:23:20,120
Speaker 4: week he had new movies and it was a really

468
00:23:20,119 --> 00:23:20,680
Speaker 4: exciting time.

469
00:23:20,720 --> 00:23:21,360
Speaker 3: In golden times.

470
00:23:21,359 --> 00:23:24,000
Speaker 4: You had Gladiator, A Lord of the Rings, Harry Potter,

471
00:23:24,080 --> 00:23:28,000
Speaker 4: all those amazing films, and you know, James Bond and

472
00:23:28,440 --> 00:23:31,120
Speaker 4: Makhugh Grant was at his best, and Liz Hurley would

473
00:23:31,160 --> 00:23:35,960
Speaker 4: come out for launches of films and everyone wanted to

474
00:23:36,000 --> 00:23:39,000
Speaker 4: talk about what the next Brad Pitt film was, Angelina

475
00:23:39,080 --> 00:23:43,119
Speaker 4: Jolly and kind of you know, you had this great

476
00:23:43,160 --> 00:23:46,640
Speaker 4: central barbecue chatter, and when you're growing up, you think

477
00:23:46,640 --> 00:23:47,920
Speaker 4: that's all really cool.

478
00:23:48,320 --> 00:23:49,280
Speaker 3: And then I went on.

479
00:23:49,400 --> 00:23:51,959
Speaker 4: I kind of worked out that cinemas probably weren't going

480
00:23:52,040 --> 00:23:54,080
Speaker 4: to be right for me long term, so I needed

481
00:23:54,080 --> 00:23:56,640
Speaker 4: to look outside of that. My father's professor of surgery,

482
00:23:56,760 --> 00:23:59,080
Speaker 4: mums and medical signers. Dad's one of the first people

483
00:23:59,119 --> 00:24:00,080
Speaker 4: to talk about Dieke.

484
00:24:00,080 --> 00:24:03,200
Speaker 3: Was a disease his last back in the seventies and

485
00:24:03,200 --> 00:24:05,000
Speaker 3: then in the nineties his work got published.

486
00:24:05,640 --> 00:24:07,400
Speaker 4: And so, you know, I grew up with a lecturing

487
00:24:07,440 --> 00:24:11,199
Speaker 4: father who's who's a lecturer by trade. Watched to me

488
00:24:11,240 --> 00:24:14,600
Speaker 4: a lot on nutrition and it's important, but also on

489
00:24:15,280 --> 00:24:18,560
Speaker 4: things like meditation, and it's around chronic diseases. Over their mum,

490
00:24:18,560 --> 00:24:21,119
Speaker 4: would you test the blood and see how the nutrition

491
00:24:21,320 --> 00:24:23,159
Speaker 4: was working and making sure that we had the right

492
00:24:23,240 --> 00:24:26,040
Speaker 4: levels of nutrition, not me that the patients that my

493
00:24:26,160 --> 00:24:28,359
Speaker 4: father would be doing so they could be as healthy

494
00:24:28,400 --> 00:24:30,399
Speaker 4: as they possibly could be to deal with kind of

495
00:24:30,440 --> 00:24:34,920
Speaker 4: Western science and the kind of a combination of the two.

496
00:24:35,240 --> 00:24:36,840
Speaker 3: But I digress back.

497
00:24:36,960 --> 00:24:39,199
Speaker 4: So then so, yeah, so I kind of felt natural

498
00:24:39,240 --> 00:24:43,399
Speaker 4: to kind of get into to health. But then you know,

499
00:24:43,640 --> 00:24:46,760
Speaker 4: and we had this great friend, Michael Saba, a family

500
00:24:46,800 --> 00:24:50,360
Speaker 4: friend who was then MD, started as a fifteen year

501
00:24:50,359 --> 00:24:53,000
Speaker 4: old and grew it into an amazing business of about

502
00:24:53,040 --> 00:24:56,359
Speaker 4: thirty meters in t Andover when I started, and his

503
00:24:56,480 --> 00:24:59,520
Speaker 4: business partner Steve and his father started that business and

504
00:24:59,600 --> 00:25:02,640
Speaker 4: he sold to those two and they've created this great

505
00:25:02,640 --> 00:25:05,760
Speaker 4: business with great values, and that's Michael's like the most

506
00:25:06,200 --> 00:25:10,119
Speaker 4: engaging person you've ever made on kind of values and

507
00:25:10,400 --> 00:25:13,800
Speaker 4: kind of bringing language to life. And so that that

508
00:25:13,920 --> 00:25:17,000
Speaker 4: felt just and truly so right for me. And I

509
00:25:17,040 --> 00:25:19,120
Speaker 4: was really connected that because I've seen a lot of

510
00:25:19,800 --> 00:25:22,840
Speaker 4: good managers but also some really ordinary managers and seeing that,

511
00:25:23,200 --> 00:25:25,120
Speaker 4: you know, all of those things that kind of put

512
00:25:25,119 --> 00:25:27,400
Speaker 4: people off doing what they need to do. I've had

513
00:25:28,200 --> 00:25:31,879
Speaker 4: people in front of me be fired by the senior

514
00:25:31,920 --> 00:25:36,800
Speaker 4: person saying, zap, you know, if you want loyalty, get

515
00:25:36,800 --> 00:25:41,240
Speaker 4: a dog, or can you fire up the team for

516
00:25:41,320 --> 00:25:43,800
Speaker 4: Christmas that are working through Christmas because our busiest time

517
00:25:43,840 --> 00:25:45,400
Speaker 4: was Boxing Day and all of the Christmas.

518
00:25:45,520 --> 00:25:47,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know that stand up in front of go.

519
00:25:49,119 --> 00:25:52,840
Speaker 4: You know if you if you if you're having some

520
00:25:52,880 --> 00:25:57,359
Speaker 4: time off every Christmas, Happy Christmas and for those of

521
00:25:57,440 --> 00:25:59,080
Speaker 4: you are working, bad luck anyways.

522
00:25:59,080 --> 00:25:59,800
Speaker 3: It was actually just.

523
00:25:59,720 --> 00:26:03,600
Speaker 4: One person that was this constant fixture of negativity that

524
00:26:03,680 --> 00:26:05,359
Speaker 4: I just watched up. The rest of the place was

525
00:26:05,359 --> 00:26:07,960
Speaker 4: just thriving with wonderful entrepreneurs. Has been a great place

526
00:26:08,000 --> 00:26:11,720
Speaker 4: to be. But but yeah, going back to that transition

527
00:26:12,800 --> 00:26:15,919
Speaker 4: and and sort of into wellness. I suddenly worked at Swiss,

528
00:26:15,920 --> 00:26:17,760
Speaker 4: and I'd tell people I work at Swiss, and they'd

529
00:26:17,800 --> 00:26:18,800
Speaker 4: go out the embassy.

530
00:26:19,240 --> 00:26:23,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'll say no vitamins, and they go, oh, that's

531
00:26:23,160 --> 00:26:25,360
Speaker 3: other change of subject because they're worried that I'd bring

532
00:26:25,440 --> 00:26:25,720
Speaker 3: up you.

533
00:26:25,640 --> 00:26:30,240
Speaker 4: Know there, maybe let's talk about you t your eyes, Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly,

534
00:26:30,359 --> 00:26:32,439
Speaker 4: all those things that are kind of not that sexy.

535
00:26:32,480 --> 00:26:36,280
Speaker 3: So I'd kind of walk into the pharmacy and see that.

536
00:26:36,520 --> 00:26:38,560
Speaker 3: You know, the sexiest part was the cosmetic section of the

537
00:26:38,560 --> 00:26:41,280
Speaker 3: perfume section was a little lit up and great people

538
00:26:41,320 --> 00:26:44,240
Speaker 3: looking great, and you know, no one afraid to go

539
00:26:44,280 --> 00:26:45,840
Speaker 3: and ask can you help me with this and that?

540
00:26:46,480 --> 00:26:49,120
Speaker 3: And fundamentally, beauty comes from the inside, So really we.

541
00:26:49,080 --> 00:26:53,240
Speaker 4: Should create this aspiration around the kind of supplement section

542
00:26:53,400 --> 00:26:55,480
Speaker 4: rather than just their their hairy hippies or the kind

543
00:26:55,480 --> 00:26:58,679
Speaker 4: of scary help you out with the situation. And so

544
00:26:58,720 --> 00:27:01,680
Speaker 4: we combine that through these great personalities, and then you know,

545
00:27:01,720 --> 00:27:03,359
Speaker 4: all of a sudden people wanted to you know, we

546
00:27:03,440 --> 00:27:06,240
Speaker 4: rode this wave of change in health. It's become it's

547
00:27:06,240 --> 00:27:08,440
Speaker 4: become the only thing we can really boast about. These

548
00:27:08,520 --> 00:27:12,200
Speaker 4: days is is kind of our health and so you

549
00:27:12,240 --> 00:27:14,199
Speaker 4: know it's talked about if everyone talks about go to

550
00:27:14,200 --> 00:27:14,600
Speaker 4: the gym.

551
00:27:14,440 --> 00:27:16,480
Speaker 3: And the next day talks plan or whatever they're doing.

552
00:27:16,960 --> 00:27:20,080
Speaker 4: And so we rode that wave and our timing was great,

553
00:27:20,160 --> 00:27:23,239
Speaker 4: and we had these great individuals that you know, were

554
00:27:23,240 --> 00:27:26,200
Speaker 4: into our products, like Sonya Kruger would never have done

555
00:27:26,240 --> 00:27:29,439
Speaker 4: a deal with us if Channel seven had been involved,

556
00:27:29,440 --> 00:27:33,600
Speaker 4: because we're just too small. We got in contact with Sonya.

557
00:27:33,240 --> 00:27:34,919
Speaker 1: Directly, she was already taking it.

558
00:27:34,960 --> 00:27:38,320
Speaker 4: Wasn't yeah yeah, she just said, yeah, I'm in for sure,

559
00:27:38,400 --> 00:27:40,000
Speaker 4: let's do a deal. And then we told seven we've

560
00:27:40,040 --> 00:27:42,679
Speaker 4: done the deal, like oh hey, I'm not sure that

561
00:27:42,720 --> 00:27:43,199
Speaker 4: works for us.

562
00:27:43,240 --> 00:27:45,920
Speaker 3: But you know, over the few years became their biggest,

563
00:27:46,000 --> 00:27:48,480
Speaker 3: one of the biggest spenders in the category, so in

564
00:27:48,520 --> 00:27:52,280
Speaker 3: the whole industry actually, So they were very very happy.

565
00:27:52,520 --> 00:27:52,960
Speaker 1: How cool?

566
00:27:53,040 --> 00:27:56,000
Speaker 2: And then so did you find getting ambassadors on that

567
00:27:56,040 --> 00:27:58,480
Speaker 2: were like already say, fans of the product or already

568
00:27:58,600 --> 00:28:02,080
Speaker 2: taking it. And then obviously like getting on even Nicole

569
00:28:02,160 --> 00:28:05,639
Speaker 2: Kidman's or you Chris Hamsworth who already look at as

570
00:28:06,080 --> 00:28:10,120
Speaker 2: very aspirational, yes from a beauty perspective, but also from

571
00:28:10,320 --> 00:28:14,040
Speaker 2: health and wellness like his ripped as anything in his thought.

572
00:28:14,520 --> 00:28:17,120
Speaker 2: She always looks so beautiful and elegant, and so they're

573
00:28:17,160 --> 00:28:21,399
Speaker 2: both are quite aspirational ambassadors to and we're just mentioned

574
00:28:21,400 --> 00:28:24,119
Speaker 2: like beautiful ash Heart before was an ambassador's stay, and

575
00:28:24,160 --> 00:28:27,119
Speaker 2: I just think did you find that when you would

576
00:28:27,119 --> 00:28:30,760
Speaker 2: bring on an ambassador that already had that following from

577
00:28:30,960 --> 00:28:34,719
Speaker 2: st entertainment perspective, that had cut through to the audience.

578
00:28:34,760 --> 00:28:36,960
Speaker 2: Now we're like, well, actually that's like I want to

579
00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:38,600
Speaker 2: look like Chris, I'm going to take this.

580
00:28:38,800 --> 00:28:42,560
Speaker 1: Did it have that effect or was it more just

581
00:28:43,080 --> 00:28:44,480
Speaker 1: like cool factor?

582
00:28:44,600 --> 00:28:47,520
Speaker 2: Like what kind of effect did having ambassadors have?

583
00:28:47,880 --> 00:28:51,880
Speaker 4: It was is kind of creating a kind of pathway

584
00:28:51,920 --> 00:28:57,960
Speaker 4: of connection to every consumer opportunity. And so we had

585
00:28:58,000 --> 00:29:01,720
Speaker 4: people like Massa Hines, we had Bert, we had even

586
00:29:01,720 --> 00:29:02,880
Speaker 4: on Goolagong.

587
00:29:03,360 --> 00:29:08,000
Speaker 3: You know, he was our first, you know, and.

588
00:29:09,480 --> 00:29:12,600
Speaker 4: No one was really marketing health products to males and

589
00:29:12,640 --> 00:29:15,600
Speaker 4: it was kind of bonkers for doing that. And all

590
00:29:15,600 --> 00:29:18,000
Speaker 4: we did was advertise in the cricket, which is kind

591
00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:21,920
Speaker 4: of targeted advertising online but on a bigger scale because

592
00:29:21,920 --> 00:29:23,560
Speaker 4: we knew that people watching the cricket and he was

593
00:29:23,600 --> 00:29:25,600
Speaker 4: a captain of Australian cricket team that you know they

594
00:29:25,680 --> 00:29:28,040
Speaker 4: might listen to his regime and be more attracted to

595
00:29:28,080 --> 00:29:30,520
Speaker 4: an advert and you know, so On your Creer were

596
00:29:30,520 --> 00:29:34,080
Speaker 4: the first ones to advertise in a lifestyle program with

597
00:29:34,120 --> 00:29:36,560
Speaker 4: the personality. So we had to get permission from the

598
00:29:36,600 --> 00:29:39,320
Speaker 4: BBC to do that. And now we're the ones to

599
00:29:39,320 --> 00:29:42,440
Speaker 4: blame for every person that's in an advert for some

600
00:29:42,960 --> 00:29:44,880
Speaker 4: person because we broke the rules. And that's part of

601
00:29:44,960 --> 00:29:46,680
Speaker 4: what you've got to do. You've got to break the rules,

602
00:29:46,680 --> 00:29:49,320
Speaker 4: you got to reinvent them and and find a way

603
00:29:49,360 --> 00:29:52,960
Speaker 4: to get to to to your audience, your customer. And

604
00:29:53,360 --> 00:29:57,720
Speaker 4: so you know, like wonder Last, Wonderlust is a completely newiteration.

605
00:29:57,880 --> 00:30:01,520
Speaker 4: It's I don't believe you can have a personality stand out,

606
00:30:01,640 --> 00:30:03,400
Speaker 4: stand and look at the down the battle of a

607
00:30:03,400 --> 00:30:05,640
Speaker 4: camera with a product in the hand and be as

608
00:30:05,680 --> 00:30:08,360
Speaker 4: compelling as what they used to be because everyone's doing that.

609
00:30:08,560 --> 00:30:12,360
Speaker 4: So we just see that at an experience, an event

610
00:30:12,520 --> 00:30:16,080
Speaker 4: experience is really powerful. And then you know, lacing that

611
00:30:16,200 --> 00:30:20,239
Speaker 4: in with content building platforms like Commune, who was one

612
00:30:20,240 --> 00:30:25,040
Speaker 4: of the co founders of Wonder Last, Jeff Krasno, and

613
00:30:25,080 --> 00:30:28,240
Speaker 4: that has thirty thousand paid subscribers and that's all around

614
00:30:28,520 --> 00:30:31,080
Speaker 4: health tips in between the events, and then you got

615
00:30:31,080 --> 00:30:31,760
Speaker 4: the products.

616
00:30:31,960 --> 00:30:35,560
Speaker 1: So it's like a whole oversee universe.

617
00:30:35,680 --> 00:30:36,640
Speaker 3: I like that.

618
00:30:37,280 --> 00:30:40,080
Speaker 2: I have to ask what happens when it goes south?

619
00:30:40,160 --> 00:30:43,120
Speaker 2: I heard about Kim Kardashian not rocking up to an event.

620
00:30:43,360 --> 00:30:45,840
Speaker 4: Well, go south a lot because we're human and stuff

621
00:30:45,960 --> 00:30:48,760
Speaker 4: does happen, okay, and Kim is a great example, but

622
00:30:48,800 --> 00:30:51,000
Speaker 4: we actually turn that into a massive opportunity. So things

623
00:30:51,200 --> 00:30:53,400
Speaker 4: when things go south, there's always an opportunity in the

624
00:30:53,480 --> 00:30:56,320
Speaker 4: universe is kind of giving you friction for good reason

625
00:30:56,400 --> 00:30:58,880
Speaker 4: for you to look kind of beyond the obvious. And

626
00:30:59,440 --> 00:31:02,200
Speaker 4: so with she just got married and then she came

627
00:31:02,240 --> 00:31:05,360
Speaker 4: to Australia for this two hour and then there was

628
00:31:05,400 --> 00:31:07,400
Speaker 4: talk of the marriage breakdown already.

629
00:31:07,480 --> 00:31:09,640
Speaker 3: I think it was like forty five days into the marriage.

630
00:31:10,680 --> 00:31:13,840
Speaker 4: And so she had gone on Sunrise and I think

631
00:31:13,880 --> 00:31:15,880
Speaker 4: she did the first program, which would have been the Monday,

632
00:31:15,920 --> 00:31:19,040
Speaker 4: and she was not coming till Steak Stay, which is

633
00:31:19,040 --> 00:31:22,840
Speaker 4: the final set day of that week, and she she

634
00:31:22,880 --> 00:31:25,760
Speaker 4: looked very uncomfortable, and we started there was rumors that

635
00:31:25,800 --> 00:31:28,480
Speaker 4: she's breaking up with her husband and she's going to

636
00:31:28,520 --> 00:31:29,240
Speaker 4: go home.

637
00:31:29,640 --> 00:31:35,320
Speaker 3: Which is fantastic for us, actually, because all every news channel.

638
00:31:35,360 --> 00:31:37,400
Speaker 4: I remember sitting on a Quantas flight in the channel

639
00:31:37,480 --> 00:31:40,440
Speaker 4: nine years of headline thing was will Kim kut Ashy

640
00:31:40,480 --> 00:31:45,000
Speaker 4: and come to the Swiss Marquee, So like, this is great.

641
00:31:45,720 --> 00:31:48,760
Speaker 4: If she comes, she doesn't, it doesn't matter. And so

642
00:31:48,800 --> 00:31:51,680
Speaker 4: by the time we got to the day she came,

643
00:31:51,760 --> 00:31:54,600
Speaker 4: but in a poster form was a life size picture

644
00:31:55,000 --> 00:31:56,960
Speaker 4: and we did kind of interviews with me, and.

645
00:31:57,440 --> 00:31:59,680
Speaker 2: You know, one of my eyes was meeting Johnny Drama

646
00:32:00,120 --> 00:32:02,440
Speaker 2: the Swiss ted and you know I was staying there.

647
00:32:02,480 --> 00:32:05,120
Speaker 2: I went to the races with my good friend Lisa Jones,

648
00:32:05,560 --> 00:32:06,160
Speaker 2: and I said to.

649
00:32:06,120 --> 00:32:07,840
Speaker 1: Lisa, what do I do? It's Johnny Drummond.

650
00:32:07,840 --> 00:32:10,000
Speaker 2: She's like, the worst thing is going to say is no,

651
00:32:10,120 --> 00:32:10,960
Speaker 2: let's get a photo.

652
00:32:11,080 --> 00:32:12,520
Speaker 1: And then she took a photo one or two of

653
00:32:12,600 --> 00:32:13,120
Speaker 1: us together.

654
00:32:13,440 --> 00:32:16,400
Speaker 2: So you've got a lot of happiness to I also

655
00:32:16,440 --> 00:32:21,320
Speaker 2: remember Swiss had these like healthy ish alcohol shots as

656
00:32:21,320 --> 00:32:24,080
Speaker 2: well as Charlie shots or it was always known as

657
00:32:24,120 --> 00:32:28,120
Speaker 2: the most fun place to be at the spring racing cardival.

658
00:32:28,160 --> 00:32:30,200
Speaker 1: I remember. But that's okay.

659
00:32:30,200 --> 00:32:34,200
Speaker 2: So I understand this concept of creating a universe, and

660
00:32:34,240 --> 00:32:34,840
Speaker 2: I love that.

661
00:32:35,600 --> 00:32:37,480
Speaker 1: I like that you touched on like things do go

662
00:32:38,280 --> 00:32:39,440
Speaker 1: can go sour?

663
00:32:39,680 --> 00:32:45,400
Speaker 2: And I heard that when deciding to sell Swiss with

664
00:32:45,520 --> 00:32:49,640
Speaker 2: the partners. If it's sold originally kind of like when

665
00:32:49,640 --> 00:32:52,160
Speaker 2: everyone was like, all right, let's do this, it would

666
00:32:52,160 --> 00:32:54,360
Speaker 2: have been very risky for you financially. You could have

667
00:32:54,400 --> 00:32:57,920
Speaker 2: come out potentially bankrupt, is that right? Yeah, and you're like, please,

668
00:32:58,000 --> 00:33:01,760
Speaker 2: let's hold, let's hold. And obviously it worked out so

669
00:33:02,040 --> 00:33:02,800
Speaker 2: beautifully at.

670
00:33:02,720 --> 00:33:05,720
Speaker 1: My right and saying one point eight billion, yeah, so.

671
00:33:05,800 --> 00:33:07,800
Speaker 4: One point eight and then the last trunch was two

672
00:33:07,840 --> 00:33:10,560
Speaker 4: point one billion, so we did pretty well in the end.

673
00:33:11,320 --> 00:33:14,480
Speaker 3: So there was nine months later than one point one point.

674
00:33:14,480 --> 00:33:17,400
Speaker 1: Eight So was it scary? That was what would have

675
00:33:17,400 --> 00:33:18,680
Speaker 1: been confronting at that time?

676
00:33:18,720 --> 00:33:21,600
Speaker 2: Where if it if if you sold earlier on in

677
00:33:21,600 --> 00:33:25,680
Speaker 2: the piece and listened to say the partners like you

678
00:33:25,880 --> 00:33:27,760
Speaker 2: would have had to have a real sense of like

679
00:33:27,800 --> 00:33:32,040
Speaker 2: you just mentioned intuition before, and like a self awareness

680
00:33:32,080 --> 00:33:34,920
Speaker 2: to be like, okay, hang on, yeah.

681
00:33:35,000 --> 00:33:38,080
Speaker 4: I think that the challenge was I think they were

682
00:33:38,720 --> 00:33:40,760
Speaker 4: They'd just I'd been to the well. We'd been to

683
00:33:40,840 --> 00:33:44,240
Speaker 4: the well so many times, and we'd convinced I'd convince

684
00:33:44,320 --> 00:33:47,400
Speaker 4: them that this was the right strategy and it went

685
00:33:47,440 --> 00:33:49,600
Speaker 4: well most of the times, but the times that it didn't,

686
00:33:49,680 --> 00:33:51,680
Speaker 4: it was, you know, it was very high risk what

687
00:33:51,720 --> 00:33:53,440
Speaker 4: we're doing. Hence why I should have been fired a

688
00:33:53,440 --> 00:33:58,480
Speaker 4: few times, you know. And also we all were a

689
00:33:58,520 --> 00:34:00,280
Speaker 4: lot of us who were in this kind of game

690
00:34:00,360 --> 00:34:03,320
Speaker 4: of wanting to kind of be exceptional what they do.

691
00:34:03,400 --> 00:34:05,840
Speaker 4: There's a lot of us that work exceptionally hard and

692
00:34:05,920 --> 00:34:09,000
Speaker 4: don't get to that level. And a lot has to

693
00:34:09,040 --> 00:34:11,839
Speaker 4: go right, and you have to have quite a bit

694
00:34:11,880 --> 00:34:15,040
Speaker 4: of luck. And so we had a really good run.

695
00:34:16,120 --> 00:34:18,440
Speaker 4: And yeah, we busted our chops and you know, our

696
00:34:18,480 --> 00:34:21,600
Speaker 4: team was e lead and we worked it worked extraordinarily hard,

697
00:34:21,640 --> 00:34:24,320
Speaker 4: but you know, lots do and don't get there, and

698
00:34:24,320 --> 00:34:27,000
Speaker 4: and so you know, they were just rightfully quenched questioning

699
00:34:27,040 --> 00:34:29,400
Speaker 4: whether we're going to get there, and and it was

700
00:34:29,440 --> 00:34:31,680
Speaker 4: you know, one last time that I needed to convince them.

701
00:34:31,719 --> 00:34:35,360
Speaker 4: And you know, relationships were challenging, and you know, I

702
00:34:35,400 --> 00:34:37,960
Speaker 4: talk about that lot in the book that.

703
00:34:37,920 --> 00:34:41,359
Speaker 3: I've read, because you know that that's part of life, you.

704
00:34:41,320 --> 00:34:45,160
Speaker 4: Know, you you kind of that's that that yoga move

705
00:34:45,160 --> 00:34:46,960
Speaker 4: where it's a bit difficult and you've got to start

706
00:34:47,080 --> 00:34:49,759
Speaker 4: smiling into it. And sometimes it's going to last a

707
00:34:49,760 --> 00:34:51,759
Speaker 4: lot longer than you think. When they say breathe three

708
00:34:51,800 --> 00:34:53,640
Speaker 4: times and they're really slow breath.

709
00:34:55,160 --> 00:34:57,000
Speaker 1: And you're like, this is tim, I'm up to six.

710
00:34:58,640 --> 00:35:01,080
Speaker 3: We're still here, all yoga teacher.

711
00:35:01,160 --> 00:35:03,880
Speaker 2: I'm like, is this like some lesson in like settling

712
00:35:03,920 --> 00:35:05,360
Speaker 2: at a discomfort or something?

713
00:35:05,520 --> 00:35:06,000
Speaker 3: So I reckon.

714
00:35:06,040 --> 00:35:09,000
Speaker 4: I was twenty breaths in. Yeah, at the point of

715
00:35:09,200 --> 00:35:11,359
Speaker 4: you know, when I thought we were doing three, and

716
00:35:11,400 --> 00:35:14,080
Speaker 4: so they agreed, let's let's go once more. And they

717
00:35:14,360 --> 00:35:17,080
Speaker 4: knew enough to see it. But I just really challenged

718
00:35:17,160 --> 00:35:19,200
Speaker 4: as to whether or not it was the right time

719
00:35:19,200 --> 00:35:22,879
Speaker 4: for them to take take their kind of risk off

720
00:35:22,920 --> 00:35:23,400
Speaker 4: the table.

721
00:35:23,680 --> 00:35:25,200
Speaker 3: And we got through.

722
00:35:26,239 --> 00:35:27,680
Speaker 1: Good on you friend.

723
00:35:27,560 --> 00:35:30,600
Speaker 4: Great team effort. Nothing just to do with me, but everyone.

724
00:35:30,719 --> 00:35:32,520
Speaker 4: Everyone was just amazing and make it happen.

725
00:35:33,160 --> 00:35:34,320
Speaker 1: Can we talk about the book?

726
00:35:34,400 --> 00:35:36,239
Speaker 2: So I've got it, I've got it written here, how

727
00:35:36,280 --> 00:35:40,000
Speaker 2: to build a billion dollar business on purpose with passion

728
00:35:40,200 --> 00:35:43,640
Speaker 2: for profit. First of all, did you find that scary

729
00:35:43,680 --> 00:35:46,360
Speaker 2: at all? Like writing a book can be quite confronting.

730
00:35:47,200 --> 00:35:50,319
Speaker 3: Yeah. I was at the Ernest and Young Entrepreneur of

731
00:35:50,400 --> 00:35:53,319
Speaker 3: the Year awards and a lovely lady walked up to

732
00:35:53,360 --> 00:35:55,239
Speaker 3: me from a publisher and said, we'd like you to

733
00:35:55,239 --> 00:35:59,080
Speaker 3: write a book. Here's my car. I'm a terrible writer,

734
00:35:59,239 --> 00:36:00,240
Speaker 3: not a natural write.

735
00:36:01,520 --> 00:36:03,640
Speaker 1: Neither of my eleven books.

736
00:36:05,200 --> 00:36:06,040
Speaker 3: You know, the Driller.

737
00:36:06,960 --> 00:36:08,840
Speaker 4: But I went, I got to do this then, and

738
00:36:09,080 --> 00:36:10,400
Speaker 4: I'm going to have a bit of time because I

739
00:36:10,480 --> 00:36:13,279
Speaker 4: knew that by then I was kind of going to

740
00:36:13,560 --> 00:36:18,360
Speaker 4: leave Swiss because you asked me that question around not

741
00:36:18,480 --> 00:36:21,719
Speaker 4: knowing everyone. I was traveling three weeks of every month.

742
00:36:22,080 --> 00:36:24,319
Speaker 4: The business has just got far bigger than me and

743
00:36:24,520 --> 00:36:27,520
Speaker 4: needed a different sort of person. And so yeah, so

744
00:36:27,600 --> 00:36:30,600
Speaker 4: we started the task of writing the book, and I

745
00:36:30,760 --> 00:36:34,000
Speaker 4: just you know, I'd send them a draft and I'd say,

746
00:36:34,000 --> 00:36:37,680
Speaker 4: it's great, just keep writing. Okay, I need some feedback,

747
00:36:38,840 --> 00:36:41,080
Speaker 4: and they got no, no, it's great, just keep writing.

748
00:36:41,560 --> 00:36:43,560
Speaker 4: And then like it was one hundred and sixty thousand

749
00:36:43,560 --> 00:36:46,279
Speaker 4: words in and I was contracted for like eighty thousand.

750
00:36:46,040 --> 00:36:50,399
Speaker 2: Words one hundred and sixties double yeah, And.

751
00:36:50,320 --> 00:36:52,040
Speaker 3: So I had a lot of venting that I need

752
00:36:52,080 --> 00:36:52,879
Speaker 3: to get off my chair.

753
00:36:53,040 --> 00:36:55,960
Speaker 4: So, you know, six years later after I kind of

754
00:36:56,600 --> 00:36:58,600
Speaker 4: set that in the kind of said it, do we

755
00:36:58,640 --> 00:37:02,520
Speaker 4: still have something on it? Things have moved on a bit,

756
00:37:04,760 --> 00:37:06,760
Speaker 4: and thankfully this this lovely lady.

757
00:37:06,520 --> 00:37:10,360
Speaker 3: Benetatche where reach out to me through LinkedIn.

758
00:37:10,400 --> 00:37:13,239
Speaker 4: You've got a great story. I'd love to help you

759
00:37:13,280 --> 00:37:15,840
Speaker 4: tell it. Oh funny you say that I've got one

760
00:37:15,920 --> 00:37:17,600
Speaker 4: hundred and sixty thousand words.

761
00:37:17,719 --> 00:37:18,839
Speaker 3: I'd love to give to you.

762
00:37:18,880 --> 00:37:21,040
Speaker 4: After I've had three different editors go through it and

763
00:37:21,120 --> 00:37:23,839
Speaker 4: kind of they all said it was okay, but it

764
00:37:23,880 --> 00:37:27,919
Speaker 4: wasn't sizzling. And so you know, she said, I'll get

765
00:37:28,400 --> 00:37:31,080
Speaker 4: a more aligned publisher and kind of ready for the

766
00:37:31,160 --> 00:37:34,760
Speaker 4: run ahead. And she worked with me and has created

767
00:37:35,400 --> 00:37:38,200
Speaker 4: a very entertaining book that even now I read and

768
00:37:38,280 --> 00:37:39,200
Speaker 4: I go, wow, I want to.

769
00:37:39,200 --> 00:37:43,040
Speaker 3: Keep reading this. So and her mom's the toughest judge,

770
00:37:43,080 --> 00:37:44,160
Speaker 3: and she said, even her mum.

771
00:37:44,480 --> 00:37:48,000
Speaker 2: There you got the sick of approval from how good.

772
00:37:48,000 --> 00:37:50,840
Speaker 2: And it's interesting you mentioned about the three editors have

773
00:37:50,880 --> 00:37:52,080
Speaker 2: been through it, because this is what a lot of

774
00:37:52,080 --> 00:37:53,640
Speaker 2: people I don't think know about books.

775
00:37:54,440 --> 00:37:57,279
Speaker 1: The partnership with the editor is imperative. They've got to.

776
00:37:57,320 --> 00:38:01,320
Speaker 2: Understand your tone and the way you and I've worked

777
00:38:01,320 --> 00:38:03,319
Speaker 2: with editors before that have changed my language and being

778
00:38:03,400 --> 00:38:05,960
Speaker 2: like hi angels, I'm like, oh, I don't really say angels,

779
00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:08,440
Speaker 2: like it doesn't really fit. You'll fit somebody else, just

780
00:38:08,480 --> 00:38:11,759
Speaker 2: not me. And so it's take that I always say

781
00:38:11,840 --> 00:38:14,960
Speaker 2: to authors, not that I say to you, but I'll

782
00:38:15,000 --> 00:38:19,279
Speaker 2: be like, pick your editor that literally understands who you are,

783
00:38:19,360 --> 00:38:22,280
Speaker 2: the way you live, the way you speak, because where.

784
00:38:22,080 --> 00:38:23,040
Speaker 3: Were you seven years ago?

785
00:38:23,560 --> 00:38:26,120
Speaker 1: I would have loved you? But it isn't it interesting?

786
00:38:26,160 --> 00:38:29,560
Speaker 2: Because I love when and when I'm reading a book

787
00:38:29,560 --> 00:38:32,160
Speaker 2: and it feels like this, we're having a conversation and

788
00:38:32,239 --> 00:38:37,440
Speaker 2: it feels like you're here kind of coaching me, like

789
00:38:37,760 --> 00:38:40,040
Speaker 2: it's it's radic kind of going and no, hang on,

790
00:38:40,080 --> 00:38:42,640
Speaker 2: You've got is You've got to learn to turn lemons

791
00:38:42,840 --> 00:38:45,239
Speaker 2: into lemonade, you know, those kind of tricks, and so

792
00:38:45,640 --> 00:38:48,759
Speaker 2: well done. I'm so excited for it. I cannot wait

793
00:38:48,800 --> 00:38:49,759
Speaker 2: to get my hands.

794
00:38:49,480 --> 00:38:50,080
Speaker 1: On a copy.

795
00:38:50,440 --> 00:38:54,560
Speaker 2: You congratulations as well, because I think something about a

796
00:38:54,600 --> 00:38:58,839
Speaker 2: book is like you're creating something very tactile that you

797
00:38:58,880 --> 00:39:00,520
Speaker 2: get to give to when they get to taken into

798
00:39:00,520 --> 00:39:04,839
Speaker 2: their home. There's something deeply personal and vulnerable about that.

799
00:39:05,320 --> 00:39:06,760
Speaker 1: So I just want to say I'm proud of you.

800
00:39:06,719 --> 00:39:10,399
Speaker 3: Thank you. It's forever, isn't it? Go back?

801
00:39:10,920 --> 00:39:12,240
Speaker 1: Yeah?

802
00:39:12,360 --> 00:39:14,520
Speaker 2: Okay, and now can we talk about wonder us because

803
00:39:14,640 --> 00:39:18,480
Speaker 2: I am so you're founder chairman.

804
00:39:18,520 --> 00:39:21,359
Speaker 3: Am I of saying that, right, I'm more like a

805
00:39:21,360 --> 00:39:24,879
Speaker 3: reinventor because the business started in two thousand and nine

806
00:39:24,920 --> 00:39:27,320
Speaker 3: as an events business. It was the biggest yoga festival

807
00:39:27,320 --> 00:39:29,680
Speaker 3: in the world. That's sixty yoga I've done.

808
00:39:29,960 --> 00:39:31,200
Speaker 1: I think I've done about five.

809
00:39:31,880 --> 00:39:35,600
Speaker 4: Yeah, and he's got a huge following North following in

810
00:39:35,640 --> 00:39:37,759
Speaker 4: North America, in Asia as well as you.

811
00:39:37,960 --> 00:39:40,879
Speaker 3: And I saw it as we had the color run

812
00:39:40,920 --> 00:39:42,720
Speaker 3: at Swiss and kind.

813
00:39:42,560 --> 00:39:44,520
Speaker 1: Of remember I've done the color right, we.

814
00:39:44,480 --> 00:39:48,360
Speaker 4: Brought that to Australia as well, Yeah, and so and

815
00:39:48,400 --> 00:39:50,799
Speaker 4: would use that to raise here's amount some money for

816
00:39:50,880 --> 00:39:55,680
Speaker 4: charity and community and so we just saw a big

817
00:39:55,719 --> 00:39:58,040
Speaker 4: opportunity is that there's been the next thing. But it

818
00:39:58,120 --> 00:40:02,840
Speaker 4: never really happened at Swiss that another person owned the

819
00:40:02,840 --> 00:40:08,279
Speaker 4: the rule the sorry licensee for Australia and so then

820
00:40:08,320 --> 00:40:10,960
Speaker 4: a few years later that came up and I made

821
00:40:10,960 --> 00:40:13,520
Speaker 4: a relationship with the founders and we got talk and

822
00:40:13,640 --> 00:40:15,960
Speaker 4: I kind of said, well, I actually think this brand's

823
00:40:16,200 --> 00:40:19,880
Speaker 4: exceptionally good and it's wasted just been an events brand.

824
00:40:19,920 --> 00:40:23,000
Speaker 3: It could be a products business as well.

825
00:40:22,719 --> 00:40:25,319
Speaker 1: And great legs. I've got the legings and.

826
00:40:26,239 --> 00:40:27,760
Speaker 3: They got a great story.

827
00:40:28,000 --> 00:40:31,200
Speaker 4: One of the old CEO of Scanning Theater helped us

828
00:40:31,200 --> 00:40:36,480
Speaker 4: design those, so see me, he's all over it. So

829
00:40:36,480 --> 00:40:40,000
Speaker 4: so so yeah, so we kind of saw this opportunity

830
00:40:40,080 --> 00:40:43,000
Speaker 4: to create something. You know, there's all things wellness and

831
00:40:43,120 --> 00:40:46,400
Speaker 4: kind of you know, starting with the products, well, starting

832
00:40:46,400 --> 00:40:50,680
Speaker 4: the events into products and then then kind of courses

833
00:40:50,719 --> 00:40:52,160
Speaker 4: around it and so forth.

834
00:40:52,239 --> 00:40:55,120
Speaker 3: So yeah, the brand feels great.

835
00:40:55,280 --> 00:40:57,560
Speaker 4: And you know, I felt the same way about Swiss

836
00:40:57,560 --> 00:40:59,520
Speaker 4: when I first saw that as like a twelve year

837
00:40:59,520 --> 00:41:02,400
Speaker 4: old kid, I taken as a Swiss Alti vite mens.

838
00:41:02,719 --> 00:41:05,760
Speaker 4: I always had an affinity, weird connection to the branding,

839
00:41:05,840 --> 00:41:09,160
Speaker 4: even though it was a little bit dorky and Swiss

840
00:41:09,200 --> 00:41:12,400
Speaker 4: with it A something sung to me and say with

841
00:41:12,480 --> 00:41:14,480
Speaker 4: one of the lasts, the compass, the true noaords.

842
00:41:14,640 --> 00:41:16,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, and you know, now I'm.

843
00:41:16,000 --> 00:41:19,239
Speaker 4: A little bit more developed and evolved, and you know

844
00:41:19,480 --> 00:41:20,640
Speaker 4: that that that for.

845
00:41:20,640 --> 00:41:22,960
Speaker 3: Me is kind of resonated and resonated along.

846
00:41:23,040 --> 00:41:25,080
Speaker 4: So you know, we've invested a lot of money and

847
00:41:25,280 --> 00:41:28,359
Speaker 4: creating it into what it is now, but feel very

848
00:41:28,360 --> 00:41:33,240
Speaker 4: comfortable about it, strangely calm about it. And it's growing

849
00:41:33,920 --> 00:41:36,840
Speaker 4: really rapidly and we're doing great things and It's a

850
00:41:36,880 --> 00:41:41,520
Speaker 4: great team and fantastic products that I love taking every day.

851
00:41:41,760 --> 00:41:44,440
Speaker 2: My boyfriend is obsessed with sleep botanicals.

852
00:41:46,239 --> 00:41:47,920
Speaker 3: Awesome. I had some last night.

853
00:41:47,920 --> 00:41:52,040
Speaker 4: I got in at midnight, after midnight from Melbourne flying back,

854
00:41:52,520 --> 00:41:54,600
Speaker 4: and so it's always hard to dial down after a fly,

855
00:41:54,840 --> 00:41:56,839
Speaker 4: of course, and so they just helped take the edge

856
00:41:56,880 --> 00:41:59,440
Speaker 4: off and make sure I had a great sleep for today.

857
00:42:00,080 --> 00:42:02,560
Speaker 2: Or a legend, I have to ask, how are you

858
00:42:02,560 --> 00:42:04,840
Speaker 2: feeling about You're going to be interviewed by Sarah Wilson

859
00:42:04,960 --> 00:42:08,279
Speaker 2: at the True North events in February as somebody that's

860
00:42:08,440 --> 00:42:09,920
Speaker 2: just done the September tour.

861
00:42:10,960 --> 00:42:14,800
Speaker 3: You're outstanding in Gold Coaster. I got to go there.

862
00:42:15,160 --> 00:42:17,920
Speaker 1: We got a Mick Fanning on.

863
00:42:18,920 --> 00:42:19,799
Speaker 3: He really.

864
00:42:21,280 --> 00:42:24,560
Speaker 1: But there's something really like I found something really like.

865
00:42:25,239 --> 00:42:26,080
Speaker 1: There was an honesty.

866
00:42:27,239 --> 00:42:32,399
Speaker 3: You just love his authenticity, connection to himself, nature and

867
00:42:32,480 --> 00:42:35,520
Speaker 3: kind of his realness about life and honesty.

868
00:42:35,239 --> 00:42:37,480
Speaker 1: Is just we were all a bit star struck in

869
00:42:37,480 --> 00:42:39,680
Speaker 1: the graduit. We were all like, that's.

870
00:42:41,719 --> 00:42:44,160
Speaker 2: So good, But how do you feel about being on

871
00:42:44,280 --> 00:42:46,799
Speaker 2: stage and being interviewed And I know you've done this

872
00:42:46,920 --> 00:42:49,520
Speaker 2: definitely in their business, YE kind of space loads before,

873
00:42:49,520 --> 00:42:52,040
Speaker 2: but this is these are big events.

874
00:42:52,080 --> 00:42:53,200
Speaker 1: Like these are huge.

875
00:42:53,640 --> 00:42:56,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, so there, Yeah, I can't wait.

876
00:42:56,080 --> 00:42:59,520
Speaker 4: I mean to be interviewed by someone like Sarah like

877
00:42:59,640 --> 00:43:03,120
Speaker 4: you is a doin in the space. I think that

878
00:43:03,200 --> 00:43:08,080
Speaker 4: there's room for kind of creating making business the center

879
00:43:08,160 --> 00:43:10,080
Speaker 4: of kind of wellness because in a lot of people

880
00:43:10,080 --> 00:43:12,880
Speaker 4: as well as we are the center of their lifestyle.

881
00:43:13,040 --> 00:43:15,399
Speaker 4: So we need to make those changes and we need

882
00:43:15,440 --> 00:43:18,759
Speaker 4: to be influential as leaders to bring others along for

883
00:43:18,840 --> 00:43:21,799
Speaker 4: that ride and show that success can come that way.

884
00:43:21,920 --> 00:43:23,600
Speaker 3: So I'm really excited about it.

885
00:43:23,960 --> 00:43:27,280
Speaker 4: I feel I feel really uncomfortable when I'm not speaking

886
00:43:27,320 --> 00:43:29,840
Speaker 4: my truth or connected to what I should be doing,

887
00:43:30,320 --> 00:43:33,440
Speaker 4: and this just feels like a really natural progression to

888
00:43:33,440 --> 00:43:35,880
Speaker 4: be honest with you. If I was if I was

889
00:43:35,920 --> 00:43:41,360
Speaker 4: talking about anything else or with a different group of people,

890
00:43:42,080 --> 00:43:45,120
Speaker 4: I usually get nervous. My mind goes blank because I

891
00:43:45,120 --> 00:43:47,600
Speaker 4: can just feel like you go back to that connectivity,

892
00:43:47,920 --> 00:43:50,120
Speaker 4: that kind of sense of wanting to kind of raise

893
00:43:50,160 --> 00:43:51,719
Speaker 4: things up and make them a little bit better.

894
00:43:52,520 --> 00:43:54,480
Speaker 3: You can feel that in the room. And you know

895
00:43:54,520 --> 00:43:55,480
Speaker 3: when I speak.

896
00:43:55,200 --> 00:43:58,520
Speaker 4: To the kind of more straightforward for once, they're the

897
00:43:58,560 --> 00:44:02,400
Speaker 4: ones I freak out about.

898
00:44:00,840 --> 00:44:04,640
Speaker 2: I was watching as a lot of them on YouTube

899
00:44:04,640 --> 00:44:07,000
Speaker 2: and I was like, I would be beside myself, I

900
00:44:07,000 --> 00:44:11,080
Speaker 2: would not know how to answer. But I've interviewed beautiful Sarah,

901
00:44:11,080 --> 00:44:13,440
Speaker 2: so you're in such safe hands there, so it's going

902
00:44:13,520 --> 00:44:14,160
Speaker 2: to be unreal.

903
00:44:14,320 --> 00:44:16,879
Speaker 1: And to the listener in.

904
00:44:16,840 --> 00:44:19,080
Speaker 2: The show notes, there'll be links for tickets and whatnot

905
00:44:19,080 --> 00:44:26,800
Speaker 2: so people can go and see you because it's it's Melbourne, Perthide, Adelaide, Brisy, Sydney, Sydney,

906
00:44:26,800 --> 00:44:28,320
Speaker 2: thank you, how good?

907
00:44:29,280 --> 00:44:29,920
Speaker 1: How exciting?

908
00:44:30,120 --> 00:44:35,120
Speaker 4: And we got Paul Rus who brought meditation to AFL

909
00:44:35,200 --> 00:44:38,080
Speaker 4: Sport and his wife Tammy was their meditation coach.

910
00:44:38,200 --> 00:44:42,440
Speaker 3: How cool Adam Good speaking as well as Lucas, captain

911
00:44:42,560 --> 00:44:44,920
Speaker 3: of the Swans at the time, so you can talk

912
00:44:44,920 --> 00:44:47,440
Speaker 3: about that kind of change that it had on the organization.

913
00:44:47,680 --> 00:44:51,200
Speaker 4: Their culture was king. It's about Lucas what a superstar

914
00:44:51,320 --> 00:44:55,319
Speaker 4: and speaking her truth, doing what she does and being

915
00:44:55,320 --> 00:44:57,920
Speaker 4: the earth girl connected to nature.

916
00:44:59,000 --> 00:45:00,160
Speaker 3: Do we need a lot more of it? That?

917
00:45:01,200 --> 00:45:03,759
Speaker 4: And then we've got Guara who is Aboriginal Artist of

918
00:45:03,840 --> 00:45:06,279
Speaker 4: the Year in twenty and eighteen and the closest thing

919
00:45:06,320 --> 00:45:11,120
Speaker 4: we have now to Gorimal and he is an extraordinary

920
00:45:11,200 --> 00:45:13,760
Speaker 4: gifted singer that sings in his language.

921
00:45:13,840 --> 00:45:17,719
Speaker 3: We had over three hundred Aboriginal language. It is Australia.

922
00:45:18,160 --> 00:45:19,840
Speaker 3: We don't have any more, but we're down to like

923
00:45:19,920 --> 00:45:22,320
Speaker 3: fifteen sixteen that it's still around.

924
00:45:21,800 --> 00:45:27,400
Speaker 4: So it's a real gift to have him singing. He's

925
00:45:27,440 --> 00:45:30,239
Speaker 4: in our original culture as Australia, and they've got Steph

926
00:45:30,320 --> 00:45:33,800
Speaker 4: Strings who is extraordinary with the strings and a great singer.

927
00:45:34,640 --> 00:45:40,359
Speaker 4: So it's an amazing lineup of inspiration and helping us

928
00:45:40,760 --> 00:45:42,920
Speaker 4: kind of connect with our best selves and you know,

929
00:45:43,040 --> 00:45:45,200
Speaker 4: finding all a kind of a mixed bag of things

930
00:45:45,239 --> 00:45:48,960
Speaker 4: that you can kind of take something you know and

931
00:45:49,000 --> 00:45:51,360
Speaker 4: you know rather than but you see this kind of success,

932
00:45:51,440 --> 00:45:55,800
Speaker 4: business success, How make my business better and so forth?

933
00:45:56,040 --> 00:45:57,560
Speaker 3: And we need more around how we.

934
00:45:57,480 --> 00:46:00,360
Speaker 4: Make ourselves better and how we integrate that with the

935
00:46:00,400 --> 00:46:01,400
Speaker 4: world around, which.

936
00:46:01,200 --> 00:46:03,560
Speaker 2: Then is going to make you better at whatever your

937
00:46:03,680 --> 00:46:06,560
Speaker 2: job or business or passion or career goals are. I know,

938
00:46:07,160 --> 00:46:10,040
Speaker 2: for me, like if I haven't looked after myself from

939
00:46:10,080 --> 00:46:15,399
Speaker 2: a movement mental health, I'm a nutritionist eating well, Like

940
00:46:15,480 --> 00:46:17,160
Speaker 2: I'm not going to show up well to an audition,

941
00:46:17,200 --> 00:46:18,640
Speaker 2: I'm not going to show it well to a book

942
00:46:18,680 --> 00:46:22,160
Speaker 2: pitch meeting. You're just you're foggy, You're not clear and

943
00:46:22,200 --> 00:46:24,520
Speaker 2: I think if you want to be clear, like I

944
00:46:24,600 --> 00:46:27,040
Speaker 2: always to say this idea corporate speaking like health has

945
00:46:27,080 --> 00:46:30,440
Speaker 2: to be a non negotiable and that tracks along everything

946
00:46:30,440 --> 00:46:32,680
Speaker 2: we've spoken about today with you, I have to.

947
00:46:32,640 --> 00:46:33,840
Speaker 1: Ask about light Warrior.

948
00:46:34,719 --> 00:46:39,000
Speaker 2: I love this idea of being an ethical investor. So

949
00:46:39,440 --> 00:46:44,400
Speaker 2: is the values around that, around creating social and environmental change?

950
00:46:44,880 --> 00:46:45,680
Speaker 1: Am I saying that right?

951
00:46:45,800 --> 00:46:48,239
Speaker 3: Yeah? I think that we kind of. And this is

952
00:46:48,280 --> 00:46:50,960
Speaker 3: always something I do is focus on my circle of

953
00:46:51,040 --> 00:46:53,720
Speaker 3: influence and try and do that really, really well.

954
00:46:54,239 --> 00:46:56,040
Speaker 4: And then if you do that well, your circle gets

955
00:46:56,120 --> 00:46:59,000
Speaker 4: larger and larger. Then you you can't influence more and more,

956
00:46:59,280 --> 00:47:01,479
Speaker 4: and it just takes time. It's a game of kind

957
00:47:01,480 --> 00:47:05,239
Speaker 4: of consistent focus that you know you need to be

958
00:47:05,360 --> 00:47:07,320
Speaker 4: very patient about and relentless about.

959
00:47:08,120 --> 00:47:10,680
Speaker 3: And my beautiful wife said to me when she first

960
00:47:10,680 --> 00:47:12,880
Speaker 3: fell in love with me that I was her light Warrior.

961
00:47:12,920 --> 00:47:16,000
Speaker 4: And I thought that was a really cool name I

962
00:47:16,080 --> 00:47:17,839
Speaker 4: kept in the back pocket. And then when we had

963
00:47:17,840 --> 00:47:21,239
Speaker 4: the opportunity to call our investment groups something, I thought,

964
00:47:21,320 --> 00:47:21,840
Speaker 4: light Warrior.

965
00:47:21,880 --> 00:47:22,520
Speaker 3: What better name?

966
00:47:23,080 --> 00:47:25,520
Speaker 4: We had all these bankers that came from Gold and Sacks,

967
00:47:25,760 --> 00:47:28,799
Speaker 4: JP Morgan and Macquarie and that have had to.

968
00:47:28,719 --> 00:47:30,680
Speaker 3: Make the transition to go and work at Light.

969
00:47:30,600 --> 00:47:33,320
Speaker 4: Warrior, which is fantastic because you can see how challenge

970
00:47:33,360 --> 00:47:35,640
Speaker 4: they are at first. But you know, why is it

971
00:47:35,680 --> 00:47:38,279
Speaker 4: any different to any other name that doesn't really mean

972
00:47:38,320 --> 00:47:42,520
Speaker 4: that much. This means aspiration and connection to a high

973
00:47:42,600 --> 00:47:45,880
Speaker 4: purpose and they come back fired up and enthrall just

974
00:47:45,920 --> 00:47:49,799
Speaker 4: with that language from the start, So you know, yeah,

975
00:47:49,800 --> 00:47:53,840
Speaker 4: we're all about trying to create a better society with

976
00:47:54,000 --> 00:47:57,920
Speaker 4: the work of this beautiful balance of capitalism and democracy

977
00:47:57,960 --> 00:48:00,239
Speaker 4: that we have and we need to nurture because the

978
00:48:00,280 --> 00:48:06,840
Speaker 4: second most successful system is autocratic and capitalism, and I

979
00:48:06,840 --> 00:48:10,360
Speaker 4: don't want to live in that system. I like what

980
00:48:10,400 --> 00:48:13,440
Speaker 4: we've got and unless we continue to improve and make

981
00:48:13,480 --> 00:48:15,399
Speaker 4: it thrive and tell the good news stories that yes,

982
00:48:15,400 --> 00:48:18,600
Speaker 4: it's got a heap of areas to improve, but there's

983
00:48:18,640 --> 00:48:20,880
Speaker 4: so much we do so well that we need to

984
00:48:20,880 --> 00:48:23,120
Speaker 4: build on that and do more of what we do well.

985
00:48:24,000 --> 00:48:28,239
Speaker 4: And so our organization is to show successful examples of

986
00:48:28,280 --> 00:48:30,680
Speaker 4: doing that. Like culture is a big part of Swiss success,

987
00:48:30,680 --> 00:48:32,120
Speaker 4: that's the key part of its success.

988
00:48:33,400 --> 00:48:34,320
Speaker 3: It is the key.

989
00:48:34,160 --> 00:48:37,360
Speaker 4: Part of success in the wellness pillars, but also in

990
00:48:37,440 --> 00:48:40,240
Speaker 4: the kind of funding areas. So we're the biggest impact

991
00:48:40,239 --> 00:48:44,600
Speaker 4: fund in the country. We do disability housing, affordable housing,

992
00:48:45,080 --> 00:48:48,799
Speaker 4: land regen work. We we're handing that back to the

993
00:48:48,840 --> 00:48:51,799
Speaker 4: original elders of the land, that land back to them,

994
00:48:52,160 --> 00:48:55,279
Speaker 4: and we're creating commercial returns. So we're using capitalism for good.

995
00:48:56,120 --> 00:48:58,240
Speaker 4: And there's so much you can do with this system

996
00:48:58,320 --> 00:49:01,479
Speaker 4: to make things better. Whatever you're doing, you can find

997
00:49:01,520 --> 00:49:05,360
Speaker 4: purpose in it, find reason for why you're there, and

998
00:49:06,120 --> 00:49:09,920
Speaker 4: you know that's how we'll continue to thrive as a society.

999
00:49:11,000 --> 00:49:13,360
Speaker 1: You are awesome. You've got a really epic brain.

1000
00:49:13,400 --> 00:49:17,640
Speaker 2: I've got to say, I have to ask about self awareness.

1001
00:49:17,760 --> 00:49:21,960
Speaker 2: It's something that I think I've become more passionate about

1002
00:49:22,360 --> 00:49:26,000
Speaker 2: probably in my thirties. And you talk about being self

1003
00:49:26,040 --> 00:49:28,920
Speaker 2: aware of your strengths and weaknesses.

1004
00:49:29,000 --> 00:49:30,000
Speaker 1: How important is that.

1005
00:49:32,000 --> 00:49:34,759
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think that I'm really clear on what I

1006
00:49:34,840 --> 00:49:38,200
Speaker 4: do really well and what I don't do well, and

1007
00:49:38,239 --> 00:49:39,840
Speaker 4: if I don't do it that well, I try and

1008
00:49:39,920 --> 00:49:42,800
Speaker 4: become a student of it and try and learn and

1009
00:49:43,080 --> 00:49:45,319
Speaker 4: learn it. Size So I've got enough of a baseline

1010
00:49:45,320 --> 00:49:47,680
Speaker 4: to work with people that are extraordinariy so they can

1011
00:49:47,960 --> 00:49:52,719
Speaker 4: respect me a little. And so it's always about and

1012
00:49:52,760 --> 00:49:55,120
Speaker 4: then you can have a very high level of trust

1013
00:49:55,440 --> 00:49:57,400
Speaker 4: with those people that you know are very good at

1014
00:49:57,440 --> 00:49:59,799
Speaker 4: what they do and they know what you're really good at,

1015
00:50:00,360 --> 00:50:02,560
Speaker 4: and that helps you do more and work as a

1016
00:50:02,600 --> 00:50:05,920
Speaker 4: team more functionally. So just been in tune with yourself

1017
00:50:06,000 --> 00:50:09,400
Speaker 4: and seeing what you do well and practicing what you

1018
00:50:09,440 --> 00:50:12,000
Speaker 4: do well. We don't get encouraged enough to practice what

1019
00:50:12,040 --> 00:50:14,600
Speaker 4: we do well. If you think of a basketball team,

1020
00:50:15,200 --> 00:50:17,759
Speaker 4: there's someone that's there for three point shooting, there's someone

1021
00:50:17,760 --> 00:50:20,840
Speaker 4: that's there for free throw line, someone that's there to

1022
00:50:20,880 --> 00:50:23,560
Speaker 4: be attacking some of it, there to defensing, and they

1023
00:50:23,560 --> 00:50:26,480
Speaker 4: go to training and they practice that. You know, how

1024
00:50:26,520 --> 00:50:28,640
Speaker 4: often do we go to work and practice what we're

1025
00:50:28,760 --> 00:50:31,040
Speaker 4: really great at and do that over and know that

1026
00:50:31,040 --> 00:50:31,840
Speaker 4: we're really great at that.

1027
00:50:31,960 --> 00:50:34,799
Speaker 3: Yeah, we have to work on our deficiencies. But those

1028
00:50:34,880 --> 00:50:35,960
Speaker 3: kind of superpowers.

1029
00:50:36,120 --> 00:50:37,680
Speaker 4: You know, this is another trick one which is a

1030
00:50:37,719 --> 00:50:40,000
Speaker 4: bit of a shame because we haven't got a camera here,

1031
00:50:40,000 --> 00:50:40,680
Speaker 4: but I can do.

1032
00:50:42,440 --> 00:50:44,759
Speaker 3: My ears move to and that took me years. That's

1033
00:50:44,800 --> 00:50:45,759
Speaker 3: my head move with.

1034
00:50:45,719 --> 00:50:48,760
Speaker 1: A listener's eyebrow.

1035
00:50:49,640 --> 00:50:51,640
Speaker 3: That's quite a superpower. It was one of the first

1036
00:50:51,640 --> 00:50:53,960
Speaker 3: superpowers I taught myself because my granddad could do it

1037
00:50:54,000 --> 00:50:55,480
Speaker 3: and I remember it as like a five.

1038
00:50:55,320 --> 00:50:57,480
Speaker 4: Year old and a good movie's ears. But then I

1039
00:50:57,480 --> 00:50:59,120
Speaker 4: took up a notch. I could move my head like

1040
00:50:59,200 --> 00:51:03,560
Speaker 4: it's a two. Yeah, so that's a superpower harness when

1041
00:51:03,600 --> 00:51:04,719
Speaker 4: I was young because I practiced it.

1042
00:51:05,080 --> 00:51:08,560
Speaker 2: Oh so interesting though it makes sense as well, Like

1043
00:51:08,920 --> 00:51:13,360
Speaker 2: I always think as well in business stuff, I figure,

1044
00:51:13,560 --> 00:51:15,080
Speaker 2: I don't know if this is wrong, so wrong or

1045
00:51:15,120 --> 00:51:16,719
Speaker 2: right so correct me. But I always think if I've

1046
00:51:16,760 --> 00:51:20,040
Speaker 2: got a weakness, I would rather get somebody to help

1047
00:51:20,080 --> 00:51:22,640
Speaker 2: me who's way better at that thing that I'm weak in,

1048
00:51:23,440 --> 00:51:26,360
Speaker 2: and like get that skill set out, not outsource, but

1049
00:51:26,400 --> 00:51:28,040
Speaker 2: like get somebody who's way better at than me, Like

1050
00:51:28,040 --> 00:51:30,200
Speaker 2: for example, book writing, Like I'm not going to write

1051
00:51:30,200 --> 00:51:32,480
Speaker 2: a book without an editor because I know I'm going

1052
00:51:32,600 --> 00:51:34,879
Speaker 2: to make too many mistakes. Like there's someone that's got

1053
00:51:34,880 --> 00:51:38,719
Speaker 2: to specialize like superpower skill set that can see where

1054
00:51:38,760 --> 00:51:40,880
Speaker 2: I'm repeating myself or there as a hole in the

1055
00:51:40,960 --> 00:51:43,920
Speaker 2: story or and they can carry carry it and kind

1056
00:51:43,920 --> 00:51:46,080
Speaker 2: of like heal the manuscript in it in a way.

1057
00:51:46,600 --> 00:51:49,440
Speaker 2: And so do you have believe that, like if that

1058
00:51:49,520 --> 00:51:51,960
Speaker 2: there's a weakness in your skill set to go out

1059
00:51:52,000 --> 00:51:54,000
Speaker 2: and b yes, you were saying like learn the baseline.

1060
00:51:54,040 --> 00:51:55,239
Speaker 1: So the respect is.

1061
00:51:55,160 --> 00:51:58,680
Speaker 2: There, but then like like lift up those people that

1062
00:51:58,800 --> 00:52:01,080
Speaker 2: have that superpower that you're potentially missing one.

1063
00:52:01,920 --> 00:52:04,359
Speaker 3: And that should be the same in your relationships in life.

1064
00:52:04,400 --> 00:52:07,200
Speaker 3: All relationships. Yeah, you're here to grow.

1065
00:52:07,000 --> 00:52:09,600
Speaker 4: Together and bring out the best in each other, but

1066
00:52:09,719 --> 00:52:11,960
Speaker 4: compliment each other rather than try and step on top

1067
00:52:12,000 --> 00:52:12,720
Speaker 4: of each other.

1068
00:52:13,040 --> 00:52:15,680
Speaker 3: In getting that. It's same in any kind of team

1069
00:52:15,760 --> 00:52:16,200
Speaker 3: as well.

1070
00:52:16,239 --> 00:52:18,480
Speaker 4: If you' all got you've got a team of superstars,

1071
00:52:18,600 --> 00:52:21,640
Speaker 4: but you're not a team that's a superstar team, you're

1072
00:52:21,680 --> 00:52:22,879
Speaker 4: going to be dysfunctional.

1073
00:52:23,480 --> 00:52:25,279
Speaker 3: And until you start working as a.

1074
00:52:25,239 --> 00:52:27,600
Speaker 4: Team together on all of what you do best rather

1075
00:52:27,600 --> 00:52:29,600
Speaker 4: than trying to step on top of each other, you

1076
00:52:29,640 --> 00:52:32,399
Speaker 4: know you ain't going to be successful. So and that's

1077
00:52:32,480 --> 00:52:36,360
Speaker 4: just the same basics for every relationship in life, every workplace,

1078
00:52:36,480 --> 00:52:37,080
Speaker 4: anything else.

1079
00:52:37,480 --> 00:52:38,719
Speaker 3: From my point of view, I.

1080
00:52:38,719 --> 00:52:41,480
Speaker 2: Have to ask about momentum because I've heard you describe

1081
00:52:41,480 --> 00:52:43,759
Speaker 2: it as like the windows don't stay open all ways

1082
00:52:43,800 --> 00:52:44,319
Speaker 2: for that long.

1083
00:52:44,840 --> 00:52:47,799
Speaker 1: So how do you.

1084
00:52:46,719 --> 00:52:49,560
Speaker 2: Like when there's when there's an opportunity, how do you

1085
00:52:49,640 --> 00:52:52,320
Speaker 2: like keep that window of momentum keep it going?

1086
00:52:52,760 --> 00:52:56,520
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think that momentum is one of the most

1087
00:52:56,520 --> 00:52:59,640
Speaker 4: difficult things to create in an organization or is something

1088
00:52:59,640 --> 00:53:02,760
Speaker 4: you doing, and it's a window that opens and closes

1089
00:53:03,239 --> 00:53:06,080
Speaker 4: really quickly if you're not aware of it. And so

1090
00:53:06,160 --> 00:53:08,440
Speaker 4: if you find that opening of momentum, it's kind of

1091
00:53:08,440 --> 00:53:10,839
Speaker 4: stepping into it and kind of create more of it,

1092
00:53:11,239 --> 00:53:14,080
Speaker 4: but doubling down and probably working harder than you've ever

1093
00:53:14,120 --> 00:53:16,880
Speaker 4: worked as soon as you find that kind of that

1094
00:53:16,880 --> 00:53:18,840
Speaker 4: that opportunity to break through.

1095
00:53:19,160 --> 00:53:23,400
Speaker 3: And sort of being really aware that now we're on

1096
00:53:23,440 --> 00:53:24,000
Speaker 3: that and this.

1097
00:53:24,040 --> 00:53:26,000
Speaker 4: Is why we're we're doing what we need to do

1098
00:53:26,040 --> 00:53:27,960
Speaker 4: and what we have to go harder because there is

1099
00:53:28,120 --> 00:53:31,680
Speaker 4: now momentum and if we don't take this moment, someone

1100
00:53:31,719 --> 00:53:35,799
Speaker 4: else will do what we're doing. And you know, I'm

1101
00:53:35,800 --> 00:53:38,440
Speaker 4: sure we've all been faced with those moments in life.

1102
00:53:38,560 --> 00:53:40,520
Speaker 4: And when I look back, I see that many times

1103
00:53:40,560 --> 00:53:43,400
Speaker 4: over if I just if you made that choice to

1104
00:53:43,400 --> 00:53:46,480
Speaker 4: go at it, that's what creates a whole lot of success.

1105
00:53:47,400 --> 00:53:51,880
Speaker 4: So being really aware of shifts in momentum intuition connection

1106
00:53:52,640 --> 00:53:55,040
Speaker 4: is something that you know not only need to be

1107
00:53:55,040 --> 00:53:58,840
Speaker 4: aware of from a business structure point of view, but

1108
00:53:59,000 --> 00:54:02,239
Speaker 4: being more aware of yoursel so then you can feel

1109
00:54:02,280 --> 00:54:05,839
Speaker 4: that switch, you can see something happening and you can

1110
00:54:05,840 --> 00:54:08,880
Speaker 4: see the kind of signs of, oh, something good is

1111
00:54:08,880 --> 00:54:10,960
Speaker 4: going to happen here if we keep at this and

1112
00:54:11,000 --> 00:54:13,360
Speaker 4: doubling down on it and going a bit harder is

1113
00:54:13,560 --> 00:54:15,840
Speaker 4: kind of the art form of getting well ahead.

1114
00:54:16,160 --> 00:54:19,480
Speaker 2: I love the way you lean back into saying like intuition,

1115
00:54:19,600 --> 00:54:22,080
Speaker 2: and I think, you know, like when you're on the

1116
00:54:22,160 --> 00:54:23,960
Speaker 2: right path, you will get this kind of like little

1117
00:54:24,040 --> 00:54:26,600
Speaker 2: internal spark where you're like, hang on, this feels really,

1118
00:54:27,120 --> 00:54:29,160
Speaker 2: for lack of a better word, maybe flow or like

1119
00:54:29,239 --> 00:54:32,080
Speaker 2: you're in that state of like hang on, time feels

1120
00:54:32,080 --> 00:54:34,120
Speaker 2: like a constraint. Right now, I'm in this thing, And

1121
00:54:34,160 --> 00:54:37,200
Speaker 2: it's like trusting that feeling as well and choosing to

1122
00:54:37,360 --> 00:54:39,439
Speaker 2: have the courage to kind of back yourself in those

1123
00:54:39,520 --> 00:54:43,200
Speaker 2: moments because I think also it can be scary when

1124
00:54:43,200 --> 00:54:45,200
Speaker 2: those chances come, and they can feel like there's a

1125
00:54:45,200 --> 00:54:48,560
Speaker 2: lot of risk as well. But it's that intuition piece

1126
00:54:48,600 --> 00:54:50,800
Speaker 2: I want to show you. I interviewed an actor recently

1127
00:54:50,800 --> 00:54:53,000
Speaker 2: and I said, what's your advice for a young actor?

1128
00:54:53,000 --> 00:54:56,200
Speaker 2: And he said, the readiness is all And it's a

1129
00:54:56,320 --> 00:54:59,040
Speaker 2: Hamlet quote and he said, if you can handle the

1130
00:54:59,040 --> 00:55:02,200
Speaker 2: failures and set acts long enough, eventually you'll get a chance.

1131
00:55:02,840 --> 00:55:05,680
Speaker 2: But if you're not ready for that chance, the chance

1132
00:55:05,719 --> 00:55:07,600
Speaker 2: will go, you will lose it, and there'll be no

1133
00:55:08,320 --> 00:55:10,560
Speaker 2: chance for momentum. Because it's like, once there's a chance,

1134
00:55:10,560 --> 00:55:12,160
Speaker 2: you can run at it. You can run with it,

1135
00:55:12,440 --> 00:55:14,279
Speaker 2: and it'll keep you up for longer, and you can

1136
00:55:14,360 --> 00:55:16,680
Speaker 2: keep moving forward to the next thing. And even if

1137
00:55:16,719 --> 00:55:18,759
Speaker 2: you get a step back, because you've gone with that

1138
00:55:18,800 --> 00:55:21,000
Speaker 2: first chance, you'll be able to handle stuff so much

1139
00:55:21,080 --> 00:55:22,799
Speaker 2: better than back down here where you could have missed

1140
00:55:22,800 --> 00:55:23,560
Speaker 2: that opportunity.

1141
00:55:24,040 --> 00:55:26,200
Speaker 1: And it feels like it's very mirrored in what you

1142
00:55:26,239 --> 00:55:27,000
Speaker 1: just said as well.

1143
00:55:27,080 --> 00:55:30,680
Speaker 2: It's like working really hard to be ready for that

1144
00:55:31,320 --> 00:55:34,719
Speaker 2: chance that when it's there, you can run with that

1145
00:55:34,880 --> 00:55:36,200
Speaker 2: chance or that momentum.

1146
00:55:36,440 --> 00:55:39,040
Speaker 4: Yeah, Eminem did a song about it, didn't he really

1147
00:55:39,120 --> 00:55:39,840
Speaker 4: this is the moment?

1148
00:55:39,920 --> 00:55:43,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, you better. I can't remember the name of this.

1149
00:55:43,560 --> 00:55:47,400
Speaker 3: It's not the it's all about that moment, you know,

1150
00:55:47,520 --> 00:55:50,160
Speaker 3: it doesn't it's him flow that song. I'd use him

1151
00:55:50,160 --> 00:55:52,840
Speaker 3: as back in the past, as a as an instrument

1152
00:55:52,920 --> 00:55:55,400
Speaker 3: to kind of switch me on. Kaddy Perry's done that

1153
00:55:55,440 --> 00:55:55,960
Speaker 3: for me too.

1154
00:55:56,880 --> 00:56:02,440
Speaker 4: Love of music at the moments, Krishna Das who just

1155
00:56:02,560 --> 00:56:05,440
Speaker 4: you know, he got me off the couch and doing

1156
00:56:05,480 --> 00:56:07,880
Speaker 4: the kind of the books on the bookshelf when I

1157
00:56:07,920 --> 00:56:09,520
Speaker 4: just felt like doing nothing, but I put it on,

1158
00:56:09,600 --> 00:56:11,440
Speaker 4: I go hang on the universe is kind.

1159
00:56:11,239 --> 00:56:13,080
Speaker 3: Of making this a whole lot easier with him around.

1160
00:56:13,400 --> 00:56:17,320
Speaker 4: And so you know, having these kind of triggers for

1161
00:56:17,800 --> 00:56:21,440
Speaker 4: creating momentum in your life is really important. And you

1162
00:56:21,440 --> 00:56:24,719
Speaker 4: know they don't just have to be meditation, yoga or exercise.

1163
00:56:24,800 --> 00:56:26,719
Speaker 4: They can be music, they can be having a laugh,

1164
00:56:26,760 --> 00:56:30,000
Speaker 4: connecting with a friend. And you know that's why your

1165
00:56:30,040 --> 00:56:32,120
Speaker 4: workplace has to be you know, have a whole lot

1166
00:56:32,160 --> 00:56:35,000
Speaker 4: of gamut of these things around you to create those moments.

1167
00:56:35,360 --> 00:56:38,000
Speaker 4: But you know you said it too, it's how you

1168
00:56:39,280 --> 00:56:42,200
Speaker 4: how you kind of come back from setbacks. And I

1169
00:56:42,239 --> 00:56:44,760
Speaker 4: see it all the time when someone has a clumsy

1170
00:56:44,800 --> 00:56:46,600
Speaker 4: conversation they.

1171
00:56:46,480 --> 00:56:48,520
Speaker 3: Can't get up. They go, oh that was just a

1172
00:56:48,600 --> 00:56:52,120
Speaker 3: bit much for me. It's okay. You know, laugh is

1173
00:56:52,200 --> 00:56:54,160
Speaker 3: a bit clumsy all the time. It doesn't just doesn't

1174
00:56:54,200 --> 00:56:55,359
Speaker 3: go to plan all the time.

1175
00:56:55,440 --> 00:56:58,759
Speaker 4: And you know, you getting clumsy is about getting better

1176
00:56:58,800 --> 00:57:02,319
Speaker 4: at it, like in any exercise, yoga, like anything that

1177
00:57:02,360 --> 00:57:05,040
Speaker 4: we practice, if we practice it, we get better. So

1178
00:57:05,480 --> 00:57:08,239
Speaker 4: that clumsy situation that we all go through every day.

1179
00:57:08,280 --> 00:57:10,839
Speaker 4: It's how you dust yourself up and get back up

1180
00:57:10,960 --> 00:57:14,040
Speaker 4: and be ready for that opportunity so you don't miss it.

1181
00:57:15,280 --> 00:57:17,480
Speaker 3: You know how many meetings.

1182
00:57:17,120 --> 00:57:18,840
Speaker 4: Have you been in where you can just tell that

1183
00:57:18,920 --> 00:57:21,760
Speaker 4: they are cooked from the pin before whatever else, and

1184
00:57:21,800 --> 00:57:23,800
Speaker 4: there is all You're with your partner and that this

1185
00:57:23,840 --> 00:57:26,400
Speaker 4: is not a good time to bring something up, and

1186
00:57:26,640 --> 00:57:28,320
Speaker 4: that's because it's nothing to do with you.

1187
00:57:28,840 --> 00:57:31,400
Speaker 3: Everything else has gone on around them. But you take

1188
00:57:31,440 --> 00:57:32,040
Speaker 3: your personally.

1189
00:57:32,440 --> 00:57:35,160
Speaker 4: I can't believe I cover this now and so forth,

1190
00:57:35,560 --> 00:57:36,640
Speaker 4: and that's human nature.

1191
00:57:36,760 --> 00:57:40,640
Speaker 3: So it's just this kind of surprise of life. We're

1192
00:57:40,680 --> 00:57:41,560
Speaker 3: going to get used to it.

1193
00:57:41,680 --> 00:57:44,200
Speaker 2: And I think like having the self awareness to not

1194
00:57:44,280 --> 00:57:46,600
Speaker 2: let self doubt creep in when things are out of

1195
00:57:46,600 --> 00:57:49,600
Speaker 2: our control, especially in the acting world. Like you might

1196
00:57:49,640 --> 00:57:51,640
Speaker 2: walk in I might walk into a great audition, but

1197
00:57:51,880 --> 00:57:54,160
Speaker 2: I'm brunette now and they needed a blonde, right, and

1198
00:57:54,200 --> 00:57:56,560
Speaker 2: so you straight away cross not for you, and you've

1199
00:57:56,560 --> 00:57:58,760
Speaker 2: got to walk away, dust yourself off, and just get

1200
00:57:58,800 --> 00:58:00,360
Speaker 2: onto the next audition the next day.

1201
00:58:00,720 --> 00:58:02,480
Speaker 1: And it is like I that's.

1202
00:58:02,320 --> 00:58:05,760
Speaker 2: Why this podcast is called Fearlessly Failing, Like I think

1203
00:58:06,440 --> 00:58:08,800
Speaker 2: if you can enjoy the failures along the way you're

1204
00:58:08,840 --> 00:58:10,440
Speaker 2: probably going to there's a high chance you're going to

1205
00:58:10,480 --> 00:58:12,480
Speaker 2: grow from them and then be even more ready for

1206
00:58:12,560 --> 00:58:13,680
Speaker 2: when that chance comes.

1207
00:58:14,840 --> 00:58:16,640
Speaker 3: Hire is a step towards success.

1208
00:58:16,840 --> 00:58:18,320
Speaker 1: Oh, I love it. I love it.

1209
00:58:18,360 --> 00:58:21,480
Speaker 2: My final question if somebody is listening to this pod

1210
00:58:21,680 --> 00:58:25,040
Speaker 2: and they've got some epic idea, They've got this dream,

1211
00:58:25,080 --> 00:58:30,320
Speaker 2: they've got this idea for a business and I don't

1212
00:58:30,360 --> 00:58:32,959
Speaker 2: really know where to start, but they've got a business plan,

1213
00:58:33,360 --> 00:58:35,040
Speaker 2: they might not have a culture plan yet.

1214
00:58:36,160 --> 00:58:37,280
Speaker 1: What would you like just.

1215
00:58:37,920 --> 00:58:39,680
Speaker 2: A bit of advice be for someone that's got an

1216
00:58:39,680 --> 00:58:43,680
Speaker 2: idea they're not sure exactly right in its infancy, just

1217
00:58:43,720 --> 00:58:45,360
Speaker 2: like the seed of an idea, a bit of a

1218
00:58:45,400 --> 00:58:46,120
Speaker 2: passion idea.

1219
00:58:46,640 --> 00:58:49,560
Speaker 4: I think that you have to be really honest with yourself,

1220
00:58:49,800 --> 00:58:52,800
Speaker 4: honest with yourself around the fact that you're going to

1221
00:58:52,880 --> 00:58:57,880
Speaker 4: have to work at this harder than whatever you've done before.

1222
00:58:58,440 --> 00:59:01,680
Speaker 4: And so if you think about one hundred meter runner

1223
00:59:01,920 --> 00:59:06,320
Speaker 4: that wins the Olympics, they make a huge amount of

1224
00:59:06,360 --> 00:59:09,360
Speaker 4: sacrifices to be that person.

1225
00:59:09,880 --> 00:59:11,920
Speaker 3: And so in business is a little bit different.

1226
00:59:11,960 --> 00:59:15,640
Speaker 4: You've got to make sacrifices because you're training for something

1227
00:59:15,640 --> 00:59:18,880
Speaker 4: else and it's probably a lifetime's work rather than a

1228
00:59:18,920 --> 00:59:21,160
Speaker 4: ten year period where you might be training for that.

1229
00:59:21,440 --> 00:59:23,360
Speaker 4: But you need to choose to be a professional or

1230
00:59:23,400 --> 00:59:25,880
Speaker 4: what you do. It frustrates the hell out of maybe

1231
00:59:26,080 --> 00:59:29,920
Speaker 4: people just talk about the work work or just or

1232
00:59:29,960 --> 00:59:31,920
Speaker 4: half do it. Yeah you know one of the other

1233
00:59:32,000 --> 00:59:34,520
Speaker 4: were just existing or dip the toe in just that

1234
00:59:34,600 --> 00:59:36,680
Speaker 4: I've got this great idea and the idea is good

1235
00:59:36,800 --> 00:59:39,960
Speaker 4: enough to just be the idea without backing it up.

1236
00:59:40,120 --> 00:59:42,200
Speaker 2: Here's a funny one for you. I'm fascinating to get

1237
00:59:42,200 --> 00:59:44,520
Speaker 2: your take on this. Everywhere I've worked where I've been

1238
00:59:44,560 --> 00:59:47,520
Speaker 2: an employee, So in America, I work at a yoga studio,

1239
00:59:47,600 --> 00:59:51,440
Speaker 2: front desk and teap some oaks back in the day,

1240
00:59:51,480 --> 00:59:54,800
Speaker 2: smoothie bars, all that kind of thing. People would always

1241
00:59:54,840 --> 00:59:56,920
Speaker 2: think I was the owner. And I think it's just

1242
00:59:56,960 --> 00:59:59,600
Speaker 2: because you care about you, Like if you're somebody that

1243
00:59:59,680 --> 01:00:01,400
Speaker 2: chooses to care about wherever you work and.

1244
01:00:01,360 --> 01:00:05,440
Speaker 1: What it is, is that what that what it is?

1245
01:00:05,520 --> 01:00:06,919
Speaker 3: Team member? I should say we don't.

1246
01:00:07,560 --> 01:00:10,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, but it's fascinating because like even in La

1247
01:00:10,360 --> 01:00:12,480
Speaker 2: I was recently there and I was like, ship is

1248
01:00:12,520 --> 01:00:14,920
Speaker 2: I'm not making any money from just going to auditions.

1249
01:00:14,960 --> 01:00:18,720
Speaker 1: I need to make some coin and so I was like, okay.

1250
01:00:18,520 --> 01:00:21,000
Speaker 2: Minimum wage's job, no probs, Like, let's just work at

1251
01:00:21,040 --> 01:00:23,840
Speaker 2: a yoga studio so that I wasn't ripping through Australian savings.

1252
01:00:24,360 --> 01:00:26,320
Speaker 2: And I quickly like I loved working in the yog straat,

1253
01:00:26,320 --> 01:00:29,640
Speaker 2: but I'm like clean cleaning toilets and you know, the

1254
01:00:29,720 --> 01:00:31,640
Speaker 2: works like when people are in class. But it was

1255
01:00:31,680 --> 01:00:34,040
Speaker 2: really fascinating because students would come out and be like

1256
01:00:34,800 --> 01:00:36,560
Speaker 2: you own this right, and I'm like, no, no, this

1257
01:00:36,600 --> 01:00:39,360
Speaker 2: is a huge cooperation owned by lawyers. I have nothing

1258
01:00:39,400 --> 01:00:41,640
Speaker 2: to do with this company. But I don't know if

1259
01:00:41,640 --> 01:00:44,520
Speaker 2: it's like I don't know, maybe because I'm a little

1260
01:00:44,520 --> 01:00:45,920
Speaker 2: bit older than a lot of the other people there.

1261
01:00:45,960 --> 01:00:47,600
Speaker 2: I was just like, if I'm going to show up,

1262
01:00:47,600 --> 01:00:49,240
Speaker 2: I'm going to make it worth my time. Like it's

1263
01:00:49,240 --> 01:00:53,000
Speaker 2: going to feel better if I'm practicing yoga around Yogi's

1264
01:00:53,160 --> 01:00:56,920
Speaker 2: in my spare time between doing auditions, and so maybe

1265
01:00:56,920 --> 01:00:58,480
Speaker 2: that's the purpose piece that was there.

1266
01:00:58,560 --> 01:01:01,000
Speaker 1: I'm just thinking out loud now, I feel.

1267
01:01:00,720 --> 01:01:02,040
Speaker 3: Like you've probably done that all along.

1268
01:01:04,320 --> 01:01:07,520
Speaker 4: And you know, I work my way up from working

1269
01:01:07,600 --> 01:01:11,760
Speaker 4: the candy bar at doncasting Twin cinemas, selling popcorn but

1270
01:01:11,800 --> 01:01:14,720
Speaker 4: getting great joy out of upselling, as talky as that is,

1271
01:01:14,800 --> 01:01:17,160
Speaker 4: or convincing my mates that was a good idea to

1272
01:01:17,200 --> 01:01:21,600
Speaker 4: make one hundred chop tops every half hour. So you know,

1273
01:01:22,000 --> 01:01:23,880
Speaker 4: these things become a bit of an art form of

1274
01:01:23,960 --> 01:01:28,320
Speaker 4: kind of making the mundane interesting and kind of creating

1275
01:01:28,320 --> 01:01:30,800
Speaker 4: purpose around that and why you do it. And so

1276
01:01:31,200 --> 01:01:33,720
Speaker 4: you know, if you've got that natural kind of bent

1277
01:01:33,880 --> 01:01:36,720
Speaker 4: to doing a little bit more than others, it's like

1278
01:01:36,760 --> 01:01:39,560
Speaker 4: that natural bend to kind of working out how you

1279
01:01:39,680 --> 01:01:42,520
Speaker 4: kind of do what the norm is and then beyond

1280
01:01:42,560 --> 01:01:45,400
Speaker 4: to get that maximum growth. You got that, but then

1281
01:01:45,480 --> 01:01:49,840
Speaker 4: you've got this ethic that goes with it, or commitment, sacrifice,

1282
01:01:50,080 --> 01:01:53,480
Speaker 4: you know, integration into life where you know you're intoxicated

1283
01:01:53,520 --> 01:01:56,120
Speaker 4: by that idea and you love thinking about it. It's

1284
01:01:56,120 --> 01:01:59,920
Speaker 4: a positive thing most of the time, and you know

1285
01:02:00,040 --> 01:02:03,439
Speaker 4: you're always trying to up what you're doing and bring

1286
01:02:04,040 --> 01:02:06,240
Speaker 4: a better level. And you know that just goes back

1287
01:02:06,280 --> 01:02:10,479
Speaker 4: to any kind of high performance outcome. High performance driven

1288
01:02:10,480 --> 01:02:13,240
Speaker 4: out comedies kind of comes back to that willingness that

1289
01:02:13,280 --> 01:02:16,240
Speaker 4: wand you know, as difficult as that all sounds, I

1290
01:02:16,280 --> 01:02:18,880
Speaker 4: promise you if you really lean in, it's going to

1291
01:02:18,880 --> 01:02:19,200
Speaker 4: be easy.

1292
01:02:19,240 --> 01:02:20,560
Speaker 3: I can't guarantee you will happen.

1293
01:02:20,640 --> 01:02:23,919
Speaker 4: But it would be easy if you know as tough

1294
01:02:23,960 --> 01:02:27,040
Speaker 4: as to say, the paint is in the resistance and

1295
01:02:28,280 --> 01:02:29,960
Speaker 4: you know you fighting it and going I don't want

1296
01:02:29,960 --> 01:02:33,080
Speaker 4: to really do all of this except you know, if

1297
01:02:33,120 --> 01:02:35,120
Speaker 4: you if you can get into it and understand that

1298
01:02:35,120 --> 01:02:37,000
Speaker 4: that's that's what's going to make you happy, and it

1299
01:02:37,000 --> 01:02:40,400
Speaker 4: truly does. Through this great idea that's inspiring, well, you

1300
01:02:40,440 --> 01:02:42,280
Speaker 4: know then that it's the right idea. But if it

1301
01:02:42,320 --> 01:02:45,480
Speaker 4: doesn't excite you, like we've just talked about it, it's

1302
01:02:45,480 --> 01:02:47,480
Speaker 4: the wrong idea. It's not going to work.

1303
01:02:47,880 --> 01:02:49,320
Speaker 2: I know I said that was the last question, but

1304
01:02:49,360 --> 01:02:52,040
Speaker 2: I remember one other thing on my live How important

1305
01:02:52,120 --> 01:02:55,120
Speaker 2: are mentors to you? And what should someone look for

1306
01:02:55,200 --> 01:02:55,880
Speaker 2: in a mentor?

1307
01:02:56,920 --> 01:02:59,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think we're surrounded by mentors.

1308
01:02:59,440 --> 01:03:06,360
Speaker 4: You know, we should be open minded about mentorship in

1309
01:03:06,440 --> 01:03:12,440
Speaker 4: every age group. My five year old teaches me, and

1310
01:03:12,800 --> 01:03:14,800
Speaker 4: you know, I find you know, I spent half my

1311
01:03:14,840 --> 01:03:17,920
Speaker 4: time doing community work these days in a wonderful position where.

1312
01:03:17,720 --> 01:03:18,439
Speaker 3: I can do that.

1313
01:03:18,800 --> 01:03:21,520
Speaker 4: But the most amazing people are those that are running

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Speaker 4: these kind of organizations for selfless purposes, that are there

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Speaker 4: doing amazing community work and relentless about it, and then

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Speaker 4: how you can try and take from that infuse that

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Speaker 4: into businesses and make them more purpose driven by bringing

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Speaker 4: community challenges together and trying to solve those with our system.

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Speaker 4: It's a bit like you're what you're doing is a service.

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Speaker 4: Your podcast is available, and yeah, you've got some advertising

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Speaker 4: support and so forth. But this makes it sustainable and

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Speaker 4: it enables you to do it and you're driven by

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Speaker 4: the purpose of it, and it's a beautiful thing.

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Speaker 3: You're making a huge amount.

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Speaker 4: Of different and you're offering it for you know, for nothing,

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Speaker 4: for people to come and listen to it.

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Speaker 3: So thank you for the gifts back.

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Speaker 2: I'm obsessed with this, but thank you for jumping on it.

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Speaker 2: I could literally talk to you all day long.

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Speaker 3: It's been great fun. Thank you.

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Speaker 2: Can I ask the do you know the release date?

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Speaker 2: I'm pretty sure it's at thirty first of.

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Speaker 3: Jen Yeah, so you can pre order out great and

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Speaker 3: yeah if february's when it will be on bookshelves around.

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Speaker 2: The Perfect reset the year go see you at True

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Speaker 2: North Wonder Last get the book.

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Speaker 1: We'll be signing, giving out.

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Speaker 3: Hugs, oh great, and advice support and whatever else we

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Speaker 3: can do to help you be successful. That's what has

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Speaker 3: been the great joy, and in sharing our little bits

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Speaker 3: of success, in hoping that it will make a difference

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Speaker 3: for others.

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Speaker 1: It's been a total honor. Thank you so much.

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Speaker 3: Readdy mine too. Thank you.

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Speaker 2: That's a wrap on another episode of Fearlessly Failing. As always,

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Speaker 2: thank you to our guests, and let's continue to converse

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Speaker 2: on Instagram.

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Speaker 1: I'm at Yamo Lollaberry. This potty my.

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Speaker 2: Word for podcast is available on all streaming platforms. I'd

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Speaker 2: love it if you could subscribe, rpe and comment and

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Speaker 2: of course spread the love.