1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:03,280 Speaker 1: What are some tax deductions working only for people who 2 00:00:03,320 --> 00:00:05,399 Speaker 1: don't know text toys? 3 00:00:05,480 --> 00:00:08,880 Speaker 2: I can claim you know bed sheets or like a bed. 4 00:00:08,840 --> 00:00:12,039 Speaker 1: He demanded to see my phone scrolled through our messages 5 00:00:12,400 --> 00:00:15,160 Speaker 1: soaked for a week and now snoops on my computer 6 00:00:15,520 --> 00:00:16,000 Speaker 1: and all of. 7 00:00:16,000 --> 00:00:20,200 Speaker 3: A sudden, Dad's text messages with his mistress are popping. 8 00:00:19,840 --> 00:00:21,160 Speaker 4: Up on the screen in real time. 9 00:00:21,440 --> 00:00:25,920 Speaker 1: Su Secrets Welcome back to another Saucy Secrets episode. 10 00:00:26,200 --> 00:00:28,440 Speaker 5: What a show we have planned. 11 00:00:28,080 --> 00:00:31,280 Speaker 6: Tonight, unexhausted and hasn't even started yet tonight. 12 00:00:31,560 --> 00:00:33,479 Speaker 1: I know I'm looking at the run sheets and if 13 00:00:34,240 --> 00:00:37,600 Speaker 1: but coming up next. You may remember we spoke to 14 00:00:37,680 --> 00:00:38,560 Speaker 1: Bonnie Blue Lives. 15 00:00:38,600 --> 00:00:41,199 Speaker 6: You may be definitely remembered because you watched it on 16 00:00:41,240 --> 00:00:45,040 Speaker 6: YouTube obviously, which is where we are, like subscribe Saucy Secrets, 17 00:00:45,040 --> 00:00:47,440 Speaker 6: and you definitely also listen to the podcast on the 18 00:00:47,440 --> 00:00:50,280 Speaker 6: Your Hat Radio episode not you made you definitely. 19 00:00:49,880 --> 00:00:52,720 Speaker 5: You definitely did. And you will remember there was one 20 00:00:52,880 --> 00:00:56,520 Speaker 5: person we were not allowed to ask her about. Well, 21 00:00:56,720 --> 00:00:58,640 Speaker 5: we've got that person on the show today. 22 00:00:58,720 --> 00:00:59,960 Speaker 4: This is serious journalism. 23 00:01:00,120 --> 00:01:03,200 Speaker 6: We near give someone a rite of reply if they've 24 00:01:03,200 --> 00:01:06,040 Speaker 6: been thrown under a bus by a previous guest. 25 00:01:05,959 --> 00:01:08,280 Speaker 1: And I've been told this person is coming in hot, 26 00:01:08,440 --> 00:01:09,520 Speaker 1: they're going to pull punch. 27 00:01:10,560 --> 00:01:14,560 Speaker 6: Oh yes, this person is Annie Knight and she's on 28 00:01:14,600 --> 00:01:17,600 Speaker 6: the show next tonight. 29 00:01:17,640 --> 00:01:20,119 Speaker 1: We're going behind the velvet rope with someone who has 30 00:01:20,200 --> 00:01:24,200 Speaker 1: made her body, her brand, and her voice the ultimate powerhouse. 31 00:01:24,440 --> 00:01:27,200 Speaker 1: She's an only fans, creator, content queen, and someone who 32 00:01:27,280 --> 00:01:31,000 Speaker 1: has turned her sensuality into beck. She's Any Knight, and 33 00:01:31,040 --> 00:01:34,720 Speaker 1: we're about to get real about sex, money, fame, boundaries, 34 00:01:34,920 --> 00:01:37,520 Speaker 1: and how to survive when everything you do is under 35 00:01:37,560 --> 00:01:40,080 Speaker 1: a lens. If you've ever wondered what it's like to 36 00:01:40,120 --> 00:01:43,000 Speaker 1: work boldly into your desire, this one's for you. 37 00:01:43,080 --> 00:01:46,000 Speaker 5: Welcome, any Hi, thanks for having me. 38 00:01:46,480 --> 00:01:49,160 Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, we're so excited to chat to you. 39 00:01:49,160 --> 00:01:53,600 Speaker 1: You have been iconic on Daily Mail, who I write for. 40 00:01:53,680 --> 00:01:55,720 Speaker 1: I feel like every second day there's an article on 41 00:01:55,760 --> 00:01:59,760 Speaker 1: what you're doing, and I wanted to ask you right 42 00:01:59,840 --> 00:02:03,800 Speaker 1: off the bat. I just did an interview with Bonnie Blue, 43 00:02:04,320 --> 00:02:07,720 Speaker 1: and one of the no go areas for chatting with 44 00:02:07,760 --> 00:02:10,880 Speaker 1: her was I wasn't allowed to ask her any questions about. 45 00:02:10,639 --> 00:02:13,960 Speaker 5: You, and I want to know why what happened? What's 46 00:02:14,040 --> 00:02:14,560 Speaker 5: the beef? 47 00:02:16,400 --> 00:02:16,600 Speaker 3: Yeah? 48 00:02:16,639 --> 00:02:20,320 Speaker 7: I don't, I don't really know why other than like 49 00:02:20,840 --> 00:02:23,200 Speaker 7: she probably knows that she's the one in the wrong 50 00:02:23,200 --> 00:02:25,160 Speaker 7: in the situation, doesn't want to draw attention to that. 51 00:02:26,360 --> 00:02:29,360 Speaker 7: But yeah, Bonnie and I were friends for like a 52 00:02:29,400 --> 00:02:32,919 Speaker 7: couple of years at least. We did schools together. We 53 00:02:33,080 --> 00:02:35,760 Speaker 7: kind of you know, we were operating very similar spaces, 54 00:02:36,000 --> 00:02:37,919 Speaker 7: and we worked together many times. 55 00:02:37,960 --> 00:02:40,480 Speaker 2: We went to Fiji together, we went to cancerun together. 56 00:02:41,160 --> 00:02:44,400 Speaker 7: Will always rode respectful of each other's careers and all 57 00:02:44,440 --> 00:02:44,760 Speaker 7: of that. 58 00:02:44,840 --> 00:02:46,960 Speaker 2: And yeah, I don't know what happened. 59 00:02:47,000 --> 00:02:49,040 Speaker 7: I guess one day she lost her only fans account, 60 00:02:49,080 --> 00:02:52,840 Speaker 7: and instead of you know, trying to draw attention to 61 00:02:53,040 --> 00:02:54,920 Speaker 7: the fact that she lost her account, she tried to 62 00:02:54,960 --> 00:02:56,880 Speaker 7: get me and a bunch of other creators banned from 63 00:02:56,880 --> 00:03:00,200 Speaker 7: the platform as well. And so that for me, it 64 00:03:00,240 --> 00:03:02,919 Speaker 7: was just like, Okay, why would you do that, We're 65 00:03:02,919 --> 00:03:03,799 Speaker 7: not friends, We're done. 66 00:03:03,880 --> 00:03:05,519 Speaker 5: Oh that's not a girl's girl at all. 67 00:03:06,400 --> 00:03:08,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, I know, it's super disappointing. 68 00:03:08,280 --> 00:03:10,120 Speaker 5: Yeah, and have you reached out to her to be 69 00:03:10,240 --> 00:03:11,000 Speaker 5: like what the heck? 70 00:03:11,800 --> 00:03:13,359 Speaker 2: Yeah, So it was kind of a couple of things. 71 00:03:13,360 --> 00:03:16,200 Speaker 7: There was a thing something happened before that I went 72 00:03:16,240 --> 00:03:20,160 Speaker 7: to hospital, and she used that against me in the 73 00:03:20,200 --> 00:03:22,680 Speaker 7: media saying like, well, at least I don't cry and 74 00:03:22,960 --> 00:03:26,080 Speaker 7: go to hospital and all this stuff after challenges, and 75 00:03:26,120 --> 00:03:27,760 Speaker 7: I was like, oh, could you not have given me 76 00:03:27,800 --> 00:03:29,320 Speaker 7: the heads up? So I messaged her and I was like, Hey, 77 00:03:29,360 --> 00:03:30,160 Speaker 7: what's this about? 78 00:03:30,320 --> 00:03:31,480 Speaker 2: You know what's going on? 79 00:03:31,639 --> 00:03:33,200 Speaker 7: She was like, oh, sorry, probably should have given you 80 00:03:33,200 --> 00:03:34,760 Speaker 7: the heads up, but blah blah blah. 81 00:03:34,800 --> 00:03:36,600 Speaker 2: And I was like, oh, whatever, I'll let it go. 82 00:03:36,880 --> 00:03:40,400 Speaker 7: Yeah, and then yeah, after that that sort of it 83 00:03:40,480 --> 00:03:43,760 Speaker 7: kind of escalated from there, and yeah, I don't know, 84 00:03:43,920 --> 00:03:46,160 Speaker 7: just I just couldn't forgive her once you tried to 85 00:03:46,160 --> 00:03:47,240 Speaker 7: get me banned from the platform. 86 00:03:47,320 --> 00:03:50,640 Speaker 1: Well that's not statistically correct because I watched her documentary 87 00:03:51,000 --> 00:03:55,240 Speaker 1: and she actually she said, yeah, you might have cried after, 88 00:03:55,640 --> 00:03:57,840 Speaker 1: you know, one of your recent videos, but she had 89 00:03:57,880 --> 00:03:59,840 Speaker 1: to take a whole week off after she slept with 90 00:03:59,840 --> 00:04:01,960 Speaker 1: her thousand men because she got so sick. 91 00:04:02,320 --> 00:04:04,920 Speaker 5: So that's a big fat lie, Bonnie Blue Cool. 92 00:04:06,400 --> 00:04:08,280 Speaker 1: I just had another thought then, when you were saying, 93 00:04:08,320 --> 00:04:09,920 Speaker 1: you know, you had been to Cancun, and you'd been 94 00:04:09,920 --> 00:04:11,280 Speaker 1: to Fiji and you've been to schoolies. 95 00:04:11,440 --> 00:04:14,480 Speaker 5: Now, when I write an article overseas, I can tax it. 96 00:04:14,920 --> 00:04:15,960 Speaker 5: Can you tax. 97 00:04:15,800 --> 00:04:19,719 Speaker 1: Your trips to schoolies and can coon and things like that. 98 00:04:20,400 --> 00:04:20,719 Speaker 3: Yeah. 99 00:04:20,760 --> 00:04:23,839 Speaker 2: Absolutely that was all tax deductible. It was all work. 100 00:04:24,560 --> 00:04:26,920 Speaker 7: So yeah, I mean, you know I was over there 101 00:04:26,960 --> 00:04:29,840 Speaker 7: promoting myself and you know, marketing and all that kind 102 00:04:29,880 --> 00:04:32,159 Speaker 7: of thing, and obviously, yeah, like filming with the guys. 103 00:04:32,200 --> 00:04:34,480 Speaker 2: So it's all a tax reduction. 104 00:04:35,279 --> 00:04:39,360 Speaker 1: I want to know, what are some tax deductions working 105 00:04:39,400 --> 00:04:39,880 Speaker 1: only friends? 106 00:04:40,120 --> 00:04:42,440 Speaker 4: People don't know this claim? 107 00:04:42,560 --> 00:04:43,320 Speaker 5: Yeah, I want to know. 108 00:04:43,520 --> 00:04:45,680 Speaker 7: So, I mean you can claim a lot like I 109 00:04:45,720 --> 00:04:48,039 Speaker 7: can claim getting my makeup done, getting my hair done, 110 00:04:48,839 --> 00:04:51,719 Speaker 7: just the basic stuff obviously, travel, accommodation, that kind of thing. 111 00:04:52,480 --> 00:04:55,240 Speaker 2: But like sex toys, I can claim you know. 112 00:04:55,320 --> 00:04:59,440 Speaker 7: Bed sheets or like a bed, anything that's like to 113 00:04:59,520 --> 00:05:02,920 Speaker 7: do with with my work really, so like panties. I'll 114 00:05:02,920 --> 00:05:05,240 Speaker 7: buy loads of underwear to send to guys, and so 115 00:05:05,800 --> 00:05:08,200 Speaker 7: you know, that's all the tax deduction lingerie. 116 00:05:09,440 --> 00:05:10,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's pretty well. 117 00:05:10,560 --> 00:05:12,359 Speaker 6: I'm not going to try and help you wrout the 118 00:05:12,360 --> 00:05:14,640 Speaker 6: tax system here. But if you wanted to renovate the apartment, 119 00:05:14,680 --> 00:05:16,960 Speaker 6: renovate the house. Maybe you're filming a new scene in 120 00:05:17,000 --> 00:05:19,080 Speaker 6: the lounge room, but the couch you got not quite right, 121 00:05:19,120 --> 00:05:20,680 Speaker 6: so you've got to buy a new couch. Oh wait, 122 00:05:20,960 --> 00:05:22,880 Speaker 6: the TV in the back of the shot doesn't quite 123 00:05:22,960 --> 00:05:24,880 Speaker 6: fit the aesthetic. We've got to get a brand new TV. 124 00:05:25,279 --> 00:05:27,479 Speaker 6: You could redo the whole joint if you wanted to 125 00:05:27,520 --> 00:05:28,520 Speaker 6: and claim it on your tax. 126 00:05:29,160 --> 00:05:32,080 Speaker 7: There is a few like office type things or like 127 00:05:32,160 --> 00:05:34,799 Speaker 7: because I use you know, a room for filming and whatnot. 128 00:05:34,839 --> 00:05:36,680 Speaker 2: So yeah, you can claim quite a bit, but I 129 00:05:36,680 --> 00:05:37,680 Speaker 2: do think there are limits. 130 00:05:38,279 --> 00:05:39,960 Speaker 6: Did you think you'd be on the show to talks 131 00:05:39,960 --> 00:05:41,719 Speaker 6: about your tax return? By the way, was that was 132 00:05:41,720 --> 00:05:43,680 Speaker 6: that one of the questions you thought you'd bend? Now 133 00:05:43,880 --> 00:05:45,920 Speaker 6: you obviously said you know that there isn't really a 134 00:05:45,960 --> 00:05:47,560 Speaker 6: relationship now with you and Bonnie, but I feel like 135 00:05:47,560 --> 00:05:50,080 Speaker 6: we've got to if there was something that you wanted 136 00:05:50,080 --> 00:05:52,640 Speaker 6: to say to her. Is there a message or is 137 00:05:52,680 --> 00:05:55,000 Speaker 6: there anything that you've got to say or is that 138 00:05:55,040 --> 00:05:57,320 Speaker 6: all now water under the bridge and that that has 139 00:05:57,400 --> 00:05:59,599 Speaker 6: closed essentially for you? 140 00:06:00,040 --> 00:06:01,400 Speaker 2: You know, I wish her all the best. 141 00:06:01,600 --> 00:06:04,320 Speaker 7: I you know, I understand that her situation's tough and 142 00:06:04,360 --> 00:06:06,880 Speaker 7: that you know, getting better from only fans would have 143 00:06:06,960 --> 00:06:10,080 Speaker 7: been just like horrific, it would have been horrible. She's 144 00:06:10,080 --> 00:06:12,719 Speaker 7: LOSTO many sources of income, So yeah, I just hope 145 00:06:12,720 --> 00:06:14,800 Speaker 7: she's doing well. And she's happy and she's you know, 146 00:06:14,920 --> 00:06:16,440 Speaker 7: treating people well and. 147 00:06:16,520 --> 00:06:19,479 Speaker 1: With these stunts because they are pretty wild, I know 148 00:06:19,560 --> 00:06:23,440 Speaker 1: for her the thousand men gang bank, she says it 149 00:06:23,520 --> 00:06:26,120 Speaker 1: really is one of her kinks. Do you see it 150 00:06:26,160 --> 00:06:28,479 Speaker 1: as more of a stunt when you do these kind 151 00:06:28,480 --> 00:06:31,600 Speaker 1: of things or is it a kink for you? It 152 00:06:31,680 --> 00:06:36,360 Speaker 1: was obviously like beneficial both ways, Like it's I found 153 00:06:36,360 --> 00:06:38,520 Speaker 1: it super fun. I was nervous beforehand, but when I 154 00:06:38,600 --> 00:06:40,679 Speaker 1: was there, I had a great time, and I think. 155 00:06:40,520 --> 00:06:42,160 Speaker 2: That like that shows and the videos. 156 00:06:43,320 --> 00:06:45,240 Speaker 7: But yeah, obviously at the same time, like the amount 157 00:06:45,240 --> 00:06:48,280 Speaker 7: of media and publicity that comes with it is such 158 00:06:48,279 --> 00:06:49,839 Speaker 7: a good kickback to my only fans. 159 00:06:49,880 --> 00:06:51,919 Speaker 2: So I think it's kind of both for me. 160 00:06:52,600 --> 00:06:56,320 Speaker 1: And when it comes to organizing a giant gang bang. 161 00:06:56,800 --> 00:06:57,719 Speaker 4: Talk about the admin. 162 00:06:57,839 --> 00:07:00,799 Speaker 6: Let's have an admin chat now, I could attack for two. 163 00:07:01,400 --> 00:07:05,160 Speaker 1: I don't even mean for it to be so what's 164 00:07:05,200 --> 00:07:08,080 Speaker 1: the tax? Like, no, I'm just doing now any you're 165 00:07:08,320 --> 00:07:12,800 Speaker 1: engaged to someone with a very famous father here in Australia, 166 00:07:12,960 --> 00:07:15,320 Speaker 1: idea desperate to know how that's playing out. 167 00:07:15,400 --> 00:07:17,080 Speaker 6: We'll do that next more with any night. 168 00:07:19,280 --> 00:07:21,520 Speaker 1: What's some stuff behind the scenes that people wouldn't know 169 00:07:21,680 --> 00:07:24,440 Speaker 1: goes into a giant stunt like this. 170 00:07:25,480 --> 00:07:27,760 Speaker 7: Yeah, I think, like that's the crazy thing about not 171 00:07:27,840 --> 00:07:29,840 Speaker 7: just doing a stunt. Like my job in general, there's 172 00:07:29,880 --> 00:07:32,080 Speaker 7: just a lot of admin. Like people think all day 173 00:07:32,080 --> 00:07:34,600 Speaker 7: all I'm doing is taking photos and filming. It's like, no, 174 00:07:34,720 --> 00:07:38,680 Speaker 7: the admin's crazy, especially for a big event. So I 175 00:07:38,680 --> 00:07:41,200 Speaker 7: had to go and order like a thousand balaclavas. 176 00:07:41,240 --> 00:07:42,560 Speaker 2: I had to order a thousand. 177 00:07:42,400 --> 00:07:44,520 Speaker 7: Custom made condoms because I wanted them to have my 178 00:07:44,560 --> 00:07:50,200 Speaker 7: face on them. I had to order like wristbands, and 179 00:07:50,240 --> 00:07:54,040 Speaker 7: I had to get sharpies at Texters to write numbers 180 00:07:54,040 --> 00:07:57,560 Speaker 7: on people and print out a thousand release forms. 181 00:07:58,600 --> 00:08:01,120 Speaker 2: I had to hire eleven staff members to be there 182 00:08:01,120 --> 00:08:01,600 Speaker 2: on the day. 183 00:08:02,040 --> 00:08:04,120 Speaker 7: I had to hire a venue and it was not 184 00:08:04,200 --> 00:08:06,760 Speaker 7: easy finding a venue that would accommodate for such things. 185 00:08:07,160 --> 00:08:09,880 Speaker 7: So ended up going with the Swingers Club, who are 186 00:08:09,880 --> 00:08:12,640 Speaker 7: happy to have me. But yeah, it took it took 187 00:08:12,680 --> 00:08:15,840 Speaker 7: a lot of money and time to organize, and there 188 00:08:15,840 --> 00:08:18,480 Speaker 7: were you know, on the day, everything went pretty smoothly. 189 00:08:18,520 --> 00:08:21,120 Speaker 2: But my fluffer. Do you guys know what a fluffer is? 190 00:08:21,280 --> 00:08:22,200 Speaker 6: Tell us about the fluffer. 191 00:08:22,400 --> 00:08:25,480 Speaker 7: No, So, a fluffer is someone that when you're doing 192 00:08:25,520 --> 00:08:28,120 Speaker 7: something like this, they basically are there to just get 193 00:08:28,160 --> 00:08:31,760 Speaker 7: the guys ready so that when they get to you 194 00:08:31,800 --> 00:08:33,000 Speaker 7: they're all ready to go. 195 00:08:33,200 --> 00:08:35,040 Speaker 5: They're hard to stick it for it there. 196 00:08:35,960 --> 00:08:39,360 Speaker 6: You can say it on the show. Don't worry, go nuts, 197 00:08:39,360 --> 00:08:39,839 Speaker 6: Go nuts. 198 00:08:40,120 --> 00:08:42,800 Speaker 5: So what does a fluffer do? Like, do they just 199 00:08:42,840 --> 00:08:44,280 Speaker 5: like show their boobies? What did they do? 200 00:08:44,880 --> 00:08:47,520 Speaker 7: They do a lot of stuff with their mouths, so yeah, 201 00:08:47,520 --> 00:08:48,480 Speaker 7: that's mostly enhanced. 202 00:08:48,600 --> 00:08:50,280 Speaker 5: Yeah, so they do blowjobs. 203 00:08:51,000 --> 00:08:52,120 Speaker 2: They give them work blow jobs. 204 00:08:52,160 --> 00:08:55,240 Speaker 7: They're basically like unfortunately they're doing a lot of the work, 205 00:08:55,360 --> 00:08:57,480 Speaker 7: but thet it that comes along. 206 00:08:57,280 --> 00:09:00,640 Speaker 5: With it, that would be insane. 207 00:09:00,679 --> 00:09:02,679 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, and that's like true. 208 00:09:02,880 --> 00:09:05,319 Speaker 6: How do you pitch that job to someone when you say, hey, 209 00:09:05,360 --> 00:09:07,720 Speaker 6: I'm looking for a fluffer on set, this is what 210 00:09:08,080 --> 00:09:09,960 Speaker 6: it's gonna take, this is what the job entails. How 211 00:09:09,960 --> 00:09:10,840 Speaker 6: do you find that person? 212 00:09:11,440 --> 00:09:11,960 Speaker 2: So hard? 213 00:09:12,000 --> 00:09:15,320 Speaker 7: I went on like a bunch of escorting websites. I 214 00:09:15,360 --> 00:09:17,880 Speaker 7: messaged friends of mine, like not friends of mine in 215 00:09:17,880 --> 00:09:21,840 Speaker 7: the industry of and asked just like hates people, and 216 00:09:21,880 --> 00:09:23,439 Speaker 7: I was like, if we get you know, like five 217 00:09:23,559 --> 00:09:24,199 Speaker 7: or six. 218 00:09:23,960 --> 00:09:25,839 Speaker 2: Then it won't be as hard work. And no one 219 00:09:25,880 --> 00:09:26,400 Speaker 2: wanted to do it. 220 00:09:26,440 --> 00:09:29,200 Speaker 7: I offered like extreme amounts of money and no one 221 00:09:29,240 --> 00:09:31,080 Speaker 7: would do it, and so I was like, oh, what 222 00:09:31,080 --> 00:09:32,520 Speaker 7: are we gonna do? And I kind of given up 223 00:09:32,520 --> 00:09:34,480 Speaker 7: on it. And then I had this girl message me. 224 00:09:34,600 --> 00:09:36,680 Speaker 7: She saw my posts and was like, hey, oh my god, 225 00:09:36,679 --> 00:09:38,640 Speaker 7: I would love to be a fluffer and I was like, amazing, 226 00:09:38,800 --> 00:09:42,400 Speaker 7: let's do it. And then two days before I messaged 227 00:09:42,400 --> 00:09:43,920 Speaker 7: her and like, she didn't respond. 228 00:09:43,920 --> 00:09:45,559 Speaker 2: So I was like, oh my god, if she fails, 229 00:09:45,559 --> 00:09:46,440 Speaker 2: this is not going to be good. 230 00:09:46,840 --> 00:09:48,800 Speaker 7: And then sure enough on the day she didn't show up. 231 00:09:48,840 --> 00:09:51,480 Speaker 7: So I had to be my own fluffer. Which was 232 00:09:51,480 --> 00:09:52,559 Speaker 7: the hardest. 233 00:09:52,160 --> 00:09:54,920 Speaker 2: Part was that, like I was doing, there was so 234 00:09:55,000 --> 00:09:55,559 Speaker 2: much going on it. 235 00:09:55,640 --> 00:09:57,920 Speaker 7: Once I had was using my mouth, my hands, everything, 236 00:09:58,840 --> 00:10:00,480 Speaker 7: and my jaw was very so at the end of the. 237 00:10:00,520 --> 00:10:05,760 Speaker 1: Day, Wow, now you have a fiance. Was he a 238 00:10:05,800 --> 00:10:08,560 Speaker 1: fan before you met or was he a friend or 239 00:10:08,760 --> 00:10:10,280 Speaker 1: how did that come about? 240 00:10:10,920 --> 00:10:13,520 Speaker 7: Yeah, so we've known each other actually for like ten 241 00:10:13,600 --> 00:10:17,440 Speaker 7: years now, so yeah, we started working together and kind 242 00:10:17,440 --> 00:10:20,960 Speaker 7: of had a little fling and then stopped that and 243 00:10:21,480 --> 00:10:24,280 Speaker 7: just stayed friends and have been friends for like ten years. 244 00:10:24,320 --> 00:10:26,480 Speaker 2: And then it was earlier this year that. 245 00:10:27,400 --> 00:10:30,040 Speaker 7: Yeah, he sort of was like, I think we should 246 00:10:30,040 --> 00:10:31,440 Speaker 7: be together, and I was like I think so too. 247 00:10:32,679 --> 00:10:35,520 Speaker 1: And how does he So he was around when you 248 00:10:36,080 --> 00:10:39,679 Speaker 1: did the stump with over five hundred people, how did 249 00:10:39,800 --> 00:10:40,480 Speaker 1: what was his. 250 00:10:40,400 --> 00:10:41,320 Speaker 5: Reaction to that? 251 00:10:43,520 --> 00:10:45,080 Speaker 2: I mean obviously like he's through. 252 00:10:45,120 --> 00:10:47,400 Speaker 7: He's been there from the start, Like when I first 253 00:10:47,400 --> 00:10:49,559 Speaker 7: started only friends in twenty twenty. You know, he was 254 00:10:49,600 --> 00:10:51,079 Speaker 7: the person that I call him like, oh my god, 255 00:10:51,120 --> 00:10:53,480 Speaker 7: this happened today, or this happened today. So he and 256 00:10:53,520 --> 00:10:56,160 Speaker 7: he's seen I guess the amount of effort and energy 257 00:10:56,200 --> 00:10:58,800 Speaker 7: and time and just like the drive that I've had 258 00:10:58,800 --> 00:11:01,760 Speaker 7: with this and you've seen my career grow, and he's 259 00:11:01,760 --> 00:11:02,600 Speaker 7: so proud of that. 260 00:11:03,000 --> 00:11:04,040 Speaker 5: How does he take it? 261 00:11:04,080 --> 00:11:07,520 Speaker 1: Like has he got any of the flack from people 262 00:11:07,559 --> 00:11:10,679 Speaker 1: who have strong opinions about you? Like has it kind 263 00:11:10,720 --> 00:11:12,120 Speaker 1: of bounced off onto him as well? 264 00:11:12,880 --> 00:11:15,240 Speaker 7: Yeah, it was actually kind of sad because we got 265 00:11:15,280 --> 00:11:17,400 Speaker 7: engaged more overseas at the time, and so we're in 266 00:11:17,440 --> 00:11:19,840 Speaker 7: our little like love bubble. We're having such a fun time, 267 00:11:19,880 --> 00:11:22,600 Speaker 7: and then it was like what should have been such 268 00:11:22,640 --> 00:11:24,760 Speaker 7: a beautiful time for us was kind of like tainted 269 00:11:24,800 --> 00:11:28,160 Speaker 7: by you know, all these people's opinions. And I think, yeah, 270 00:11:28,240 --> 00:11:30,960 Speaker 7: like the comments that Henry was getting it were horrific 271 00:11:31,000 --> 00:11:33,080 Speaker 7: and he went down to Adelaide for like a footy 272 00:11:33,120 --> 00:11:36,920 Speaker 7: weekend with his mates and just got like berated by 273 00:11:36,960 --> 00:11:40,000 Speaker 7: people at the football ground just coming up to him, 274 00:11:40,080 --> 00:11:43,480 Speaker 7: calling him names, calling me names like really awful. 275 00:11:43,520 --> 00:11:44,600 Speaker 2: So that was pretty tough. 276 00:11:45,280 --> 00:11:47,800 Speaker 7: But he's obviously you know, he's getting thicker skin as 277 00:11:47,840 --> 00:11:48,640 Speaker 7: time and he goes on. 278 00:11:49,240 --> 00:11:51,240 Speaker 1: And what's it like because he does have a famous dad, 279 00:11:52,480 --> 00:11:58,080 Speaker 1: James Bray Sure, Like was James like, guys, like, I'm 280 00:11:58,160 --> 00:12:00,680 Speaker 1: kind of getted, I'm getting drawn into this as well? 281 00:12:00,800 --> 00:12:03,320 Speaker 1: Or is he just like listen if that's if you know, 282 00:12:03,520 --> 00:12:05,319 Speaker 1: keep doing what you want to do. Well. 283 00:12:05,360 --> 00:12:07,600 Speaker 7: To be honest with you, Henry and James don't really 284 00:12:07,640 --> 00:12:10,320 Speaker 7: have much of relationship, so he wasn't a part of 285 00:12:10,400 --> 00:12:13,640 Speaker 7: the process at all. But yeah, the rest of Henry's 286 00:12:13,640 --> 00:12:16,439 Speaker 7: family is super supportive, so that's all we care about. 287 00:12:16,679 --> 00:12:19,760 Speaker 5: Yeah, And are we planning the wedding? Have we got 288 00:12:19,760 --> 00:12:20,199 Speaker 5: a date? 289 00:12:20,559 --> 00:12:20,640 Speaker 3: Like? 290 00:12:20,679 --> 00:12:21,400 Speaker 5: Where are you up to? 291 00:12:22,200 --> 00:12:22,640 Speaker 2: Yeah? 292 00:12:22,679 --> 00:12:25,480 Speaker 7: So, look, most of the wedding is planned at the moment, 293 00:12:25,520 --> 00:12:26,880 Speaker 7: which is good because I think as soon as I 294 00:12:26,880 --> 00:12:28,679 Speaker 7: got engaged, I was like, we need to plan this 295 00:12:28,760 --> 00:12:29,679 Speaker 7: so that I can chill. 296 00:12:29,520 --> 00:12:30,160 Speaker 2: For the next year. 297 00:12:30,400 --> 00:12:31,920 Speaker 5: Yeah, So pretty much. 298 00:12:31,800 --> 00:12:32,960 Speaker 2: Have everything organized. 299 00:12:33,520 --> 00:12:35,160 Speaker 7: It's going to be in Gold Coast and it's going 300 00:12:35,200 --> 00:12:37,400 Speaker 7: to be in October next year, so about a year 301 00:12:37,440 --> 00:12:37,800 Speaker 7: from now. 302 00:12:38,040 --> 00:12:40,160 Speaker 6: And if anyone can organize a wedding, we clearly have 303 00:12:40,240 --> 00:12:42,360 Speaker 6: learned that your admin skills are second to none. So 304 00:12:42,440 --> 00:12:44,719 Speaker 6: you're like, you're the perfect wedding planet. It's going to 305 00:12:44,760 --> 00:12:46,600 Speaker 6: be wonderful from start to finish. 306 00:12:47,559 --> 00:12:48,080 Speaker 4: So true. 307 00:12:49,040 --> 00:12:51,280 Speaker 1: But are you thinking, like, all right, let's just make 308 00:12:51,400 --> 00:12:54,120 Speaker 1: bank while we can set ourselves up for a beautiful 309 00:12:54,160 --> 00:12:56,360 Speaker 1: life and then retire or do you see this as 310 00:12:56,360 --> 00:12:57,160 Speaker 1: a long term thing. 311 00:12:57,960 --> 00:13:00,240 Speaker 7: I think I'm going to keep doing this until I 312 00:13:00,280 --> 00:13:03,120 Speaker 7: don't find it fun anymore. I think, like I said, 313 00:13:03,120 --> 00:13:04,520 Speaker 7: I've just never had a job that I've been so 314 00:13:04,600 --> 00:13:05,280 Speaker 7: passionate about. 315 00:13:05,920 --> 00:13:08,440 Speaker 2: You know. I like what I'm doing for women as. 316 00:13:08,320 --> 00:13:09,760 Speaker 7: Well, which a lot of people will think that that's 317 00:13:09,880 --> 00:13:12,160 Speaker 7: silly of me to say, but I'm trying to show 318 00:13:12,200 --> 00:13:14,320 Speaker 7: that women can be sexual and that, you know, trying 319 00:13:14,320 --> 00:13:17,080 Speaker 7: to get rid of that stigma with being sexual as 320 00:13:17,120 --> 00:13:20,040 Speaker 7: a woman. And that's really something that I'm passionate about. 321 00:13:20,080 --> 00:13:21,600 Speaker 7: I love the work that I do. I love the 322 00:13:21,640 --> 00:13:23,679 Speaker 7: freedom it gives me. Obviously the money is great, but 323 00:13:24,040 --> 00:13:26,680 Speaker 7: it makes me happy. And I think I'll just keep 324 00:13:26,679 --> 00:13:28,839 Speaker 7: doing it until it doesn't make me happy anymore, or 325 00:13:28,920 --> 00:13:30,760 Speaker 7: there's something else they want to do, or you know. 326 00:13:31,960 --> 00:13:34,120 Speaker 6: Well, good luck with the wedding, good luck with the 327 00:13:34,160 --> 00:13:36,280 Speaker 6: next tax return. They both seem really exciting. You're a 328 00:13:36,320 --> 00:13:38,360 Speaker 6: lot going on in your life, and we thank you 329 00:13:38,520 --> 00:13:41,080 Speaker 6: so much for coming on Saucy Secrets. 330 00:13:41,160 --> 00:13:44,800 Speaker 2: Thank you any thanks guys. 331 00:13:45,760 --> 00:13:47,959 Speaker 1: This week, we have been sent a question from a 332 00:13:48,080 --> 00:13:52,640 Speaker 1: listener who is stressed out. She's written, Dear Jana, I've 333 00:13:52,640 --> 00:13:56,440 Speaker 1: been with my boyfriend for two years and we've lived together. Lately, 334 00:13:56,520 --> 00:13:59,280 Speaker 1: he's become convinced that I'm cheating with a colleague from 335 00:13:59,280 --> 00:14:03,840 Speaker 1: worka man with a baby no less mmm. The colleague 336 00:14:03,880 --> 00:14:08,000 Speaker 1: has occasionally sent me totally innocent messages from our work platform, 337 00:14:08,120 --> 00:14:10,839 Speaker 1: like asking me what my plans were over the holidays, 338 00:14:11,120 --> 00:14:14,880 Speaker 1: which my partner thought was sly. He demanded to see 339 00:14:14,880 --> 00:14:18,360 Speaker 1: my phone, scrolled through our messages soaked for a week, 340 00:14:18,480 --> 00:14:21,920 Speaker 1: and now snoops on my computer after finding a brief 341 00:14:21,960 --> 00:14:24,440 Speaker 1: work call in my history. He called me a liar 342 00:14:24,560 --> 00:14:28,240 Speaker 1: because I've deleted old work chats to avoid yet more drama. 343 00:14:28,680 --> 00:14:31,200 Speaker 1: He hasn't spoken to me in days and accuses me 344 00:14:31,280 --> 00:14:34,640 Speaker 1: of being unfaithful, no matter how much I reassure him. 345 00:14:34,880 --> 00:14:37,480 Speaker 1: How do I convince my partner that I'm not cheating 346 00:14:37,600 --> 00:14:41,240 Speaker 1: and that the constant accusations are tearing us apart? 347 00:14:41,440 --> 00:14:43,960 Speaker 6: I mean, this feels like a really simple one to answer. 348 00:14:44,160 --> 00:14:45,960 Speaker 5: Well, it's not. Do you know why? 349 00:14:46,080 --> 00:14:52,000 Speaker 1: Because we women, controlling traits come in slowly in relationships. 350 00:14:52,280 --> 00:14:54,800 Speaker 1: They come in little bit by little bit, until before 351 00:14:54,800 --> 00:14:56,960 Speaker 1: you know it, you're giving away your password and just 352 00:14:57,200 --> 00:15:00,200 Speaker 1: making life easy by letting them look through your phone. 353 00:15:00,000 --> 00:15:04,240 Speaker 1: He is being ridiculous. But here's my genuine theory. This 354 00:15:04,280 --> 00:15:08,200 Speaker 1: man is cheating on you. This man whoever shouts the 355 00:15:08,320 --> 00:15:10,680 Speaker 1: loudest is always doing it. 356 00:15:10,720 --> 00:15:12,760 Speaker 5: And here's why. Because he knows how easy it is 357 00:15:12,800 --> 00:15:13,520 Speaker 5: to cheat on her. 358 00:15:14,000 --> 00:15:16,040 Speaker 1: And so then you become paranoid and you're like, well, 359 00:15:16,040 --> 00:15:19,280 Speaker 1: if I'm getting away with it, surely she can get 360 00:15:19,320 --> 00:15:19,840 Speaker 1: away with it. 361 00:15:19,880 --> 00:15:21,920 Speaker 5: If I'm doing it, she must be doing it too. 362 00:15:22,400 --> 00:15:25,320 Speaker 1: So she could be just this gorgeous woman having the 363 00:15:25,320 --> 00:15:26,400 Speaker 1: best time in the office. 364 00:15:27,120 --> 00:15:32,320 Speaker 5: Which is perfectly allowed. Yes, but he's dodgy. She's not dodgy. 365 00:15:32,640 --> 00:15:33,360 Speaker 5: He's dodgy. 366 00:15:33,480 --> 00:15:38,320 Speaker 1: Yes, but she's allowing it because she is letting him 367 00:15:38,360 --> 00:15:39,080 Speaker 1: look through her phone. 368 00:15:39,120 --> 00:15:40,920 Speaker 5: She is letting him go through his computer. 369 00:15:41,320 --> 00:15:44,640 Speaker 1: You need to set some boundaries and say this is 370 00:15:44,640 --> 00:15:47,720 Speaker 1: all in your head. I'm not taking on your paranoid energy. 371 00:15:47,960 --> 00:15:50,920 Speaker 1: I'd also be asking what are you up to to 372 00:15:51,120 --> 00:15:53,840 Speaker 1: make you this paranoid? And no, you won't be allowed 373 00:15:53,880 --> 00:15:55,920 Speaker 1: to go through my phone anymore. No you're not looking 374 00:15:55,920 --> 00:15:58,400 Speaker 1: at my computer. If you have an issue with it, 375 00:15:58,520 --> 00:16:00,720 Speaker 1: well then it's time to see a therapist. 376 00:16:00,240 --> 00:16:01,040 Speaker 5: Or we need to call it. 377 00:16:01,120 --> 00:16:02,960 Speaker 6: Yeah, flick him instead of trying to convince him, Just 378 00:16:02,960 --> 00:16:04,520 Speaker 6: get rid of him because he sounds like. 379 00:16:07,400 --> 00:16:10,120 Speaker 1: But the problem is, I've seen so many friends this 380 00:16:10,160 --> 00:16:13,120 Speaker 1: has happened to them because these guys start they start slow, 381 00:16:13,280 --> 00:16:15,880 Speaker 1: like I think you're cheating on me? Or why is 382 00:16:15,880 --> 00:16:18,880 Speaker 1: that guy messaging you? And then over time it builds 383 00:16:18,960 --> 00:16:20,680 Speaker 1: up and it builds up and you get so used 384 00:16:20,720 --> 00:16:23,040 Speaker 1: to them controlling you. 385 00:16:22,480 --> 00:16:23,480 Speaker 6: You don't even realize that. 386 00:16:24,280 --> 00:16:26,400 Speaker 1: And you don't even realize that this guy is completely 387 00:16:26,400 --> 00:16:27,240 Speaker 1: controlling your life. 388 00:16:27,280 --> 00:16:29,120 Speaker 5: But your friends do because we see it. 389 00:16:29,080 --> 00:16:32,560 Speaker 6: All the time, and so does Janna on Saucy Secrets. 390 00:16:32,600 --> 00:16:33,400 Speaker 5: So annoying. 391 00:16:33,560 --> 00:16:36,200 Speaker 1: Tell this guy one I'll be going through his band 392 00:16:36,200 --> 00:16:39,600 Speaker 1: because he's definitely cheating, but I don't know big red 393 00:16:39,600 --> 00:16:41,920 Speaker 1: flags get rid. 394 00:16:41,840 --> 00:16:44,160 Speaker 6: Of him done, just like that case clothes. 395 00:16:46,280 --> 00:16:49,200 Speaker 1: Tonight, we are cracking open the mystery of modern marriage 396 00:16:49,240 --> 00:16:51,800 Speaker 1: with the man who has seen it all. He's New 397 00:16:51,880 --> 00:16:55,960 Speaker 1: York's most famous divorce attorney. He has sat across from billionaires, 398 00:16:56,120 --> 00:16:59,240 Speaker 1: rock stars, and regular couples who could not make it work. 399 00:16:59,520 --> 00:17:02,280 Speaker 1: So why do people cheat, why do great marriages die? 400 00:17:02,360 --> 00:17:05,440 Speaker 1: And what really happens when love turns into lawyers? 401 00:17:05,880 --> 00:17:06,919 Speaker 5: James Sexton is. 402 00:17:06,920 --> 00:17:09,160 Speaker 1: Here and he's about to tell us all the secrets 403 00:17:09,160 --> 00:17:12,280 Speaker 1: that save relationships and the mistakes that blow them up. 404 00:17:12,400 --> 00:17:14,560 Speaker 5: Buckle up, Welcome James. 405 00:17:14,560 --> 00:17:15,760 Speaker 4: Thank you, it's great to be here. 406 00:17:16,960 --> 00:17:18,920 Speaker 1: One thing you said to me the other day, which 407 00:17:18,920 --> 00:17:21,440 Speaker 1: I've told so many people because I think it's genius, 408 00:17:21,520 --> 00:17:24,560 Speaker 1: is you said that Apple is keeping your business alive. 409 00:17:25,040 --> 00:17:26,119 Speaker 5: It's paying yeatime. 410 00:17:26,200 --> 00:17:26,440 Speaker 4: Yeah. 411 00:17:26,480 --> 00:17:30,480 Speaker 3: Absolutely, So the integration of Apple devices is responsible for 412 00:17:30,640 --> 00:17:33,800 Speaker 3: more people being caught cheating than any other technology in 413 00:17:33,840 --> 00:17:34,960 Speaker 3: the history of mankind. 414 00:17:35,000 --> 00:17:36,280 Speaker 4: It's absolutely shocking. 415 00:17:36,359 --> 00:17:40,240 Speaker 3: Like you know, Apple keeps trying to, for very understandable purposes, 416 00:17:40,840 --> 00:17:44,120 Speaker 3: create an integration between their devices. So like you're on 417 00:17:44,440 --> 00:17:47,520 Speaker 3: you know, one website on your phone and now you 418 00:17:47,560 --> 00:17:49,600 Speaker 3: open your iPad and it's right there on your iPad, 419 00:17:49,640 --> 00:17:51,520 Speaker 3: And then you open your laptop and now it's on 420 00:17:51,520 --> 00:17:54,880 Speaker 3: your laptop. And as a dedicated you know Apple Devot, 421 00:17:55,320 --> 00:17:57,360 Speaker 3: I buy everything they make the minute they make. 422 00:17:57,560 --> 00:17:59,720 Speaker 4: These are the newest air pods on the newest phone. 423 00:17:59,760 --> 00:18:02,600 Speaker 3: And I love their stuff, and so I'm not taking 424 00:18:02,600 --> 00:18:05,840 Speaker 3: the piss out of them. But they really are always 425 00:18:05,840 --> 00:18:08,639 Speaker 3: pushing you to integrate all of their devices. And the 426 00:18:08,760 --> 00:18:13,320 Speaker 3: problem is this has now done, is it creates all 427 00:18:13,359 --> 00:18:16,600 Speaker 3: of these occasions where children, for example, are sitting and 428 00:18:16,640 --> 00:18:20,639 Speaker 3: playing with an iPad that's connected to the family account, 429 00:18:21,040 --> 00:18:23,679 Speaker 3: and all of a sudden, dad's text messages with his 430 00:18:23,840 --> 00:18:26,760 Speaker 3: mistress are popping up on the screen in real time, 431 00:18:26,920 --> 00:18:29,240 Speaker 3: and the little kid goes, Mommy, why is my game 432 00:18:29,280 --> 00:18:31,399 Speaker 3: getting interrupted? Mom comes over and all of a sudden, 433 00:18:31,400 --> 00:18:34,000 Speaker 3: she's looking at a photograph of her husband's penis. 434 00:18:34,680 --> 00:18:36,520 Speaker 5: Oh God, that happened to a friend of mine. 435 00:18:36,520 --> 00:18:40,320 Speaker 1: She watched in real time as her partner was trying 436 00:18:40,359 --> 00:18:43,239 Speaker 1: to meet up with an escort because she had his 437 00:18:43,440 --> 00:18:48,199 Speaker 1: iPad which was connected to his bone. 438 00:18:48,520 --> 00:18:52,160 Speaker 4: And people sometimes will sit on this stuff, so. 439 00:18:52,160 --> 00:18:54,560 Speaker 3: Like I'll have someone who comes in and goes, Yeah, 440 00:18:54,680 --> 00:18:57,040 Speaker 3: he doesn't realize it, but his I message keeps coming 441 00:18:57,119 --> 00:18:59,520 Speaker 3: up on the iPad, and so I've been following it 442 00:18:59,560 --> 00:19:01,639 Speaker 3: and I'm like, oh, like for the last couple of 443 00:19:01,680 --> 00:19:04,560 Speaker 3: days and they're like no, for the last four months. Wow, 444 00:19:04,880 --> 00:19:07,920 Speaker 3: And all I can think is wow. Like people accuse 445 00:19:08,080 --> 00:19:10,359 Speaker 3: me of being a sociopath, Like, how do. 446 00:19:10,400 --> 00:19:12,719 Speaker 4: You sit across this guy at breakfast? 447 00:19:13,359 --> 00:19:18,720 Speaker 1: Do you think women are smarter when it comes to cheating. 448 00:19:19,520 --> 00:19:24,760 Speaker 3: Yeah, I've always said that that men cheat. Men cheat more, maybe, 449 00:19:24,800 --> 00:19:29,600 Speaker 3: but women cheat much smarter and much better. Like they're like, 450 00:19:29,640 --> 00:19:31,040 Speaker 3: if a woman's gonna have a. 451 00:19:31,040 --> 00:19:34,440 Speaker 4: Cheap meal, it's gonna be a whole thing. 452 00:19:34,600 --> 00:19:38,120 Speaker 3: You know, Like a man like a woman, Like, we'll 453 00:19:38,200 --> 00:19:41,720 Speaker 3: find the perfect partner. It's the personal trainer. She's got 454 00:19:41,720 --> 00:19:44,159 Speaker 3: her eye on for a while, and then she'll figure 455 00:19:44,200 --> 00:19:45,919 Speaker 3: out a way, and then it'll be at this hotel 456 00:19:46,000 --> 00:19:47,840 Speaker 3: and then they'll be dinner, and it'll be it'll be 457 00:19:47,880 --> 00:19:50,719 Speaker 3: a whole thing. A guy, it's like I saw this 458 00:19:50,760 --> 00:19:55,199 Speaker 3: girl out back behind a dumpster, and you know, and 459 00:19:55,280 --> 00:19:58,560 Speaker 3: they're just that's it, you know. So yeah, it's it's 460 00:19:58,560 --> 00:20:01,120 Speaker 3: they cheat differently, but the women cheat better. 461 00:20:01,200 --> 00:20:04,359 Speaker 1: I would say I've also heard that a woman will 462 00:20:04,400 --> 00:20:08,520 Speaker 1: start organizing her separation like a year before she actually 463 00:20:08,560 --> 00:20:11,320 Speaker 1: has a conversation with him and says, I'm out, whereas 464 00:20:11,400 --> 00:20:12,000 Speaker 1: men will be. 465 00:20:11,920 --> 00:20:15,560 Speaker 5: Like, it's done, I'm over, and they'll do it quickly. 466 00:20:15,160 --> 00:20:18,000 Speaker 1: Whereas women have been like, you know, putting money aside, 467 00:20:18,040 --> 00:20:21,120 Speaker 1: preparing emotionally so that when they do get divorced, they're 468 00:20:21,119 --> 00:20:24,359 Speaker 1: not crying anymore, they're mentally done. 469 00:20:24,520 --> 00:20:25,440 Speaker 5: Do you find that. 470 00:20:26,480 --> 00:20:27,359 Speaker 4: Yeah, I found that. 471 00:20:27,400 --> 00:20:29,200 Speaker 3: I mean, look, I think a lot of men it's 472 00:20:29,240 --> 00:20:31,560 Speaker 3: like they go out for milk and never come back. Yeah, 473 00:20:31,680 --> 00:20:34,960 Speaker 3: Like it just is almost an impulsive decision to some degree, 474 00:20:35,160 --> 00:20:37,840 Speaker 3: whereas women it's very often like a professional hit. 475 00:20:39,920 --> 00:20:41,959 Speaker 5: Now you are big on prenups. 476 00:20:42,080 --> 00:20:44,520 Speaker 1: There was one prenup you did, which I bring it 477 00:20:44,600 --> 00:20:47,200 Speaker 1: up all the time because it's so iconic. 478 00:20:47,720 --> 00:20:50,000 Speaker 5: Can you tell us about it? It's bonkers. 479 00:20:50,320 --> 00:20:52,320 Speaker 4: Yes, I did a prenup. 480 00:20:52,800 --> 00:20:56,320 Speaker 3: I was the attorney who represented the party, the husband 481 00:20:56,440 --> 00:21:00,400 Speaker 3: who wanted to keep the prenup pallid. He was guy 482 00:21:00,400 --> 00:21:02,960 Speaker 3: in finance. He just he didn't really have much of 483 00:21:03,000 --> 00:21:05,400 Speaker 3: a personality. So there was really nothing about this guy 484 00:21:05,440 --> 00:21:08,399 Speaker 3: except that he had a net worth well in the 485 00:21:08,480 --> 00:21:12,399 Speaker 3: hundreds of millions, and he married a woman who was 486 00:21:12,960 --> 00:21:17,920 Speaker 3: stunningly beautiful. And the prenup said, for every ten pounds 487 00:21:17,960 --> 00:21:21,080 Speaker 3: that she gained from the date of marriage, she would 488 00:21:21,119 --> 00:21:26,560 Speaker 3: forfeit ten thousand dollars a month of alimony. And in 489 00:21:26,640 --> 00:21:31,160 Speaker 3: fact she had gained from the date of marriage somewhere 490 00:21:31,160 --> 00:21:35,480 Speaker 3: in the area of like twenty pounds roughly, and so 491 00:21:36,160 --> 00:21:39,240 Speaker 3: instead of getting seventy thousand dollars a month, she was 492 00:21:39,280 --> 00:21:41,200 Speaker 3: going to get fifty thousand dollars a month. 493 00:21:41,240 --> 00:21:43,879 Speaker 4: Now, mind you, this is still a good amount of money. 494 00:21:43,880 --> 00:21:46,160 Speaker 3: Plus she got several million dollars worth of property. 495 00:21:46,920 --> 00:21:49,600 Speaker 4: But rightfully she challenged it. 496 00:21:49,800 --> 00:21:51,680 Speaker 3: But what the judge said is she said, yeah, this 497 00:21:51,720 --> 00:21:52,880 Speaker 3: is a boorish clause. 498 00:21:53,240 --> 00:21:54,200 Speaker 4: It's disgusting. 499 00:21:54,720 --> 00:21:57,200 Speaker 3: I don't know why you would marry a person who 500 00:21:57,240 --> 00:21:59,680 Speaker 3: made you sign this, but it's a contract. 501 00:22:00,119 --> 00:22:02,320 Speaker 1: Well, I was going to say, is that the craziest 502 00:22:02,359 --> 00:22:04,560 Speaker 1: thing you've seen in divorce court? 503 00:22:04,720 --> 00:22:06,040 Speaker 5: But you've had people who spent. 504 00:22:06,640 --> 00:22:08,800 Speaker 4: Oh god, no, tell us some other ones. 505 00:22:08,680 --> 00:22:11,639 Speaker 1: Because these are my favorite stories to listen to. 506 00:22:11,920 --> 00:22:13,959 Speaker 3: I mean, I will tell you, doing this job for 507 00:22:13,960 --> 00:22:16,720 Speaker 3: twenty five years, you see good people at their worst. 508 00:22:17,040 --> 00:22:21,160 Speaker 3: I just finished a case where a guy went from 509 00:22:21,200 --> 00:22:26,399 Speaker 3: being a very successful professional who was making you know, 510 00:22:26,440 --> 00:22:29,880 Speaker 3: several hundred thousand dollars a year and was very much 511 00:22:29,920 --> 00:22:32,679 Speaker 3: in the black in terms of like they'd saved some money, 512 00:22:33,320 --> 00:22:37,119 Speaker 3: and without his wife's knowledge, he started going on TikTok. 513 00:22:37,920 --> 00:22:41,719 Speaker 3: And you can give away on TikTok money to other people, 514 00:22:42,119 --> 00:22:47,560 Speaker 3: so they have these things like lions and universes and galaxies. 515 00:22:48,200 --> 00:22:51,240 Speaker 4: This guy, in sixty. 516 00:22:50,840 --> 00:22:58,320 Speaker 3: Days spent nine hundred thousand dollars on TikTok just giving 517 00:22:58,480 --> 00:23:02,920 Speaker 3: it away, just giving it away, mostly to very attractive 518 00:23:02,960 --> 00:23:09,520 Speaker 3: young women in Brazil and Colombia, nine hundred thousand dollars. 519 00:23:09,520 --> 00:23:12,359 Speaker 3: He went from them having a half a million dollars 520 00:23:12,400 --> 00:23:15,600 Speaker 3: saved up to him being roughly. 521 00:23:15,240 --> 00:23:17,440 Speaker 4: Three four hundred thousand dollars in debt. 522 00:23:17,680 --> 00:23:21,200 Speaker 1: They call that bandigmatized leading with your. 523 00:23:21,119 --> 00:23:26,200 Speaker 3: Dick, But I mean, do you know, listen, guys, I'm 524 00:23:26,280 --> 00:23:29,640 Speaker 3: not I'm never one to shame sex workers. You could 525 00:23:29,640 --> 00:23:33,240 Speaker 3: buy a lot of actual sex for nine hundred thousand dollars, Like. 526 00:23:33,600 --> 00:23:36,360 Speaker 4: Nine hundred thousand dollars, I might have sex with that guy, 527 00:23:36,600 --> 00:23:40,080 Speaker 4: like I have a price, and. 528 00:23:40,000 --> 00:23:42,720 Speaker 3: It's probably less than nine hundred thousand dollars, Like I'm 529 00:23:42,720 --> 00:23:43,240 Speaker 3: fifty three. 530 00:23:43,320 --> 00:23:44,879 Speaker 4: I never used to like broccoli. Now I love it. 531 00:23:44,920 --> 00:23:46,720 Speaker 4: Maybe I'll do the second half day. I don't know. 532 00:23:47,240 --> 00:23:51,199 Speaker 3: Like I looked at that, I was like nine hundred 533 00:23:51,240 --> 00:23:52,879 Speaker 3: brand to not have sex. 534 00:23:52,960 --> 00:23:53,720 Speaker 4: That's crazy. 535 00:23:54,240 --> 00:23:59,160 Speaker 1: Now you've seen the worst, the worst of relationships. But 536 00:23:59,200 --> 00:24:02,800 Speaker 1: what if three things that will guarantee a couple will 537 00:24:02,880 --> 00:24:04,960 Speaker 1: be sitting in front of you asking for a divorce. 538 00:24:05,280 --> 00:24:07,040 Speaker 4: Oh yeah, Oh that's it much easier. 539 00:24:07,119 --> 00:24:12,000 Speaker 3: Yeah, so yeah, I mean definitely, it's more important to 540 00:24:12,000 --> 00:24:14,679 Speaker 3: be right than to be happy. Like, always win, Always 541 00:24:14,680 --> 00:24:17,520 Speaker 3: want to win every argument. Always make sure that you're right, 542 00:24:17,880 --> 00:24:20,280 Speaker 3: Like that's the most But that should be the priority 543 00:24:20,320 --> 00:24:22,600 Speaker 3: in your relationship, is that you are right and you 544 00:24:22,680 --> 00:24:27,639 Speaker 3: won the fight. Number two, I think constructive criticism is 545 00:24:27,640 --> 00:24:33,280 Speaker 3: still criticism. I genuinely believe that you should be very 546 00:24:33,400 --> 00:24:36,120 Speaker 3: careful about criticizing your partner. 547 00:24:36,400 --> 00:24:37,919 Speaker 1: And you can always tell, like when you go to 548 00:24:37,960 --> 00:24:41,359 Speaker 1: a dinner party with those couples that are just nagging 549 00:24:41,440 --> 00:24:43,600 Speaker 1: each other and I'm like, this is oh my god, 550 00:24:43,720 --> 00:24:44,600 Speaker 1: it's horrible, And. 551 00:24:44,640 --> 00:24:47,199 Speaker 3: When they do it in front of people, like I 552 00:24:47,240 --> 00:24:50,080 Speaker 3: have to tell you. That's another one is that in 553 00:24:50,160 --> 00:24:54,600 Speaker 3: front of other people, I'll leave them nameless. 554 00:24:54,640 --> 00:24:56,760 Speaker 4: But I have a friend who's a celebrity and he's been. 555 00:24:56,640 --> 00:24:59,840 Speaker 6: Married to place all. 556 00:24:59,800 --> 00:25:05,040 Speaker 4: Right, So Joe Rogan has been married a really long time. 557 00:25:06,080 --> 00:25:10,639 Speaker 3: Joe Rogan's wife when he is talking, she looks at 558 00:25:10,720 --> 00:25:12,840 Speaker 3: him like she's just his biggest fan. 559 00:25:12,720 --> 00:25:13,760 Speaker 4: In the whole wide world. 560 00:25:13,880 --> 00:25:16,120 Speaker 3: And I don't know if it's real or if it's 561 00:25:16,119 --> 00:25:20,160 Speaker 3: an artifice, or if it's like that there's something about 562 00:25:20,320 --> 00:25:24,240 Speaker 3: that that like when you see it in people, it's 563 00:25:24,280 --> 00:25:27,240 Speaker 3: so lovely, like to feel like this person is like 564 00:25:27,320 --> 00:25:28,600 Speaker 3: this person's cheerleader. 565 00:25:29,000 --> 00:25:33,040 Speaker 6: In your opinion, what is the best way to prepare 566 00:25:33,160 --> 00:25:35,400 Speaker 6: for divorce so that it doesn't end upt. 567 00:25:35,760 --> 00:25:37,320 Speaker 4: Yeah, that's a great question. 568 00:25:37,840 --> 00:25:40,760 Speaker 3: I think it's very useful to have a conversation with 569 00:25:40,840 --> 00:25:42,440 Speaker 3: a lawyer sooner rather than later. 570 00:25:42,920 --> 00:25:43,920 Speaker 4: Like people come into. 571 00:25:43,720 --> 00:25:46,399 Speaker 3: My office and they'll they'll very sheepishly say, you know, 572 00:25:46,520 --> 00:25:48,640 Speaker 3: I'm not actually looking to fire a the divorce right now. 573 00:25:48,680 --> 00:25:50,119 Speaker 4: I just want to get information. 574 00:25:50,240 --> 00:25:51,959 Speaker 3: And I say to them, like, this is the best 575 00:25:52,000 --> 00:25:55,560 Speaker 3: possible time to be here, because I want you to 576 00:25:55,640 --> 00:25:58,800 Speaker 3: understand your rights and obligations potentially in all the different ways, 577 00:25:58,800 --> 00:26:01,440 Speaker 3: all the different paths that person might choose to separate 578 00:26:01,560 --> 00:26:05,240 Speaker 3: or divorce, and then I want you to go think 579 00:26:05,280 --> 00:26:07,200 Speaker 3: about these things and decide, by the way, if you 580 00:26:07,240 --> 00:26:10,040 Speaker 3: can save your marriage and fix it, go go do that. 581 00:26:10,280 --> 00:26:12,720 Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, I could talk about this all day. 582 00:26:13,040 --> 00:26:14,399 Speaker 1: Sadly we don't have one. 583 00:26:16,119 --> 00:26:17,240 Speaker 4: Well, you'll have to invite. 584 00:26:17,800 --> 00:26:21,640 Speaker 5: We'll have to second day, No, I know, third or four. 585 00:26:23,320 --> 00:26:24,600 Speaker 5: That was incredible. 586 00:26:24,720 --> 00:26:26,959 Speaker 1: I think everyone's going to start paying attention to their 587 00:26:27,000 --> 00:26:28,840 Speaker 1: marriages and their relationship. 588 00:26:28,960 --> 00:26:29,439 Speaker 4: I hope so. 589 00:26:29,520 --> 00:26:31,119 Speaker 3: I mean, I'll put myself out of a job, but 590 00:26:31,160 --> 00:26:33,480 Speaker 3: that would be fine with me. I'd have to find 591 00:26:33,520 --> 00:26:35,440 Speaker 3: something else interesting to do for a living. 592 00:26:36,200 --> 00:26:38,280 Speaker 1: And everyone's going to be double checking their iPhones and 593 00:26:38,320 --> 00:26:40,160 Speaker 1: their eye clouds and their I pads. 594 00:26:43,560 --> 00:26:44,199 Speaker 6: Are going to be. 595 00:26:44,280 --> 00:26:49,760 Speaker 3: Like Sexton told me, I've. 596 00:26:47,720 --> 00:26:51,480 Speaker 5: Never felt more smug being single. Thank you so much, James. 597 00:26:51,520 --> 00:26:53,480 Speaker 5: We're definitely getting you back on and. 598 00:26:53,880 --> 00:26:56,399 Speaker 3: I love any time I can't say no to you. 599 00:26:56,400 --> 00:26:57,120 Speaker 4: You're a superstarle. 600 00:26:57,119 --> 00:26:59,080 Speaker 6: We appreciate you joining us on Soulcy Secrets. 601 00:26:59,119 --> 00:27:01,720 Speaker 3: It was a pleasure absolutely Thanks for having me. 602 00:27:01,880 --> 00:27:02,600 Speaker 4: Take care. 603 00:27:04,520 --> 00:27:07,800 Speaker 5: Now, poor boy, Hussah. 604 00:27:07,880 --> 00:27:11,680 Speaker 1: I need a deep breath because last night I had 605 00:27:11,720 --> 00:27:14,480 Speaker 1: an experience with a man that ended with. 606 00:27:14,359 --> 00:27:17,600 Speaker 5: Me calling him the sea word. I was so angry. 607 00:27:17,760 --> 00:27:20,320 Speaker 1: So the backstory is I went out with a girlfriend 608 00:27:20,480 --> 00:27:22,800 Speaker 1: and we were having lots of drinks and having fun, 609 00:27:22,840 --> 00:27:25,439 Speaker 1: and then we caught up with her partner and his 610 00:27:25,560 --> 00:27:27,320 Speaker 1: best friend for a late dinner. 611 00:27:27,440 --> 00:27:27,640 Speaker 3: Yes. 612 00:27:28,040 --> 00:27:30,880 Speaker 1: Fine, I've never met this guy the best friend. Before 613 00:27:31,200 --> 00:27:33,200 Speaker 1: he sat down, he was kind of a short king. 614 00:27:33,640 --> 00:27:36,960 Speaker 5: He had these glasses that didn't have lenses in them. 615 00:27:37,040 --> 00:27:40,560 Speaker 1: They were like glasses with lenses, which I just think, 616 00:27:40,560 --> 00:27:41,200 Speaker 1: he's so cringe. 617 00:27:41,200 --> 00:27:43,040 Speaker 5: But I was like, okay, he's wasn't a sea word? 618 00:27:43,119 --> 00:27:45,360 Speaker 6: Was it cringe? Another one? Good? 619 00:27:45,760 --> 00:27:48,600 Speaker 1: He was short and he it was like he was 620 00:27:48,640 --> 00:27:52,040 Speaker 1: trying to be artie to reflect from him being shot 621 00:27:52,080 --> 00:27:56,280 Speaker 1: saw hipster, saw hipster? Fine, whatever, we sit down. 622 00:27:56,480 --> 00:27:57,320 Speaker 5: He's a surgeon. 623 00:27:57,480 --> 00:28:00,680 Speaker 1: Interesting, My stepdad's a surgeon, so I and I was 624 00:28:00,720 --> 00:28:02,520 Speaker 1: asking him interesting questions. 625 00:28:02,119 --> 00:28:03,480 Speaker 5: About his career. What do you do? 626 00:28:04,080 --> 00:28:04,280 Speaker 6: Great? 627 00:28:04,320 --> 00:28:04,520 Speaker 4: Great? 628 00:28:04,520 --> 00:28:04,760 Speaker 5: Great? 629 00:28:04,880 --> 00:28:06,359 Speaker 1: And then he goes, what do you do? And I 630 00:28:06,359 --> 00:28:08,200 Speaker 1: was like, oh, I'm a sex columnist and. 631 00:28:08,119 --> 00:28:10,480 Speaker 5: He was like oh what. I was like, I write 632 00:28:10,480 --> 00:28:13,639 Speaker 5: about sex. I do personally, like I love telling people 633 00:28:13,640 --> 00:28:14,280 Speaker 5: that because. 634 00:28:14,080 --> 00:28:16,600 Speaker 1: I love seeing their faces. He's like, oh, who do 635 00:28:16,640 --> 00:28:18,119 Speaker 1: you write for? And I was like, well, I was 636 00:28:18,119 --> 00:28:19,800 Speaker 1: writing for the New York Post. Now I'm writing for 637 00:28:19,920 --> 00:28:23,680 Speaker 1: Daily Mail. He goes, oh, that's a cute blog. I said, 638 00:28:23,720 --> 00:28:25,679 Speaker 1: excuse me, what, and he goes, you write for a 639 00:28:25,680 --> 00:28:26,320 Speaker 1: cute blog. 640 00:28:26,760 --> 00:28:28,440 Speaker 5: Now here's my mistake. I reacted. 641 00:28:28,840 --> 00:28:30,800 Speaker 1: I should have just gone all right, shot king and 642 00:28:31,080 --> 00:28:33,399 Speaker 1: left it there. But I was like, it's not a 643 00:28:33,440 --> 00:28:36,840 Speaker 1: cute blog. And I think because he saw my reaction. 644 00:28:36,680 --> 00:28:38,000 Speaker 6: He knew that he could get under your skin. 645 00:28:38,080 --> 00:28:39,960 Speaker 5: He was getting on my skin, Burl was giving him attention. 646 00:28:40,640 --> 00:28:44,160 Speaker 1: Now, for those don't know, this is an age old 647 00:28:44,320 --> 00:28:49,640 Speaker 1: dating technique called nagging, and it was first written about 648 00:28:49,800 --> 00:28:52,960 Speaker 1: in a book called The Game, a deeply, deeply toxic 649 00:28:53,000 --> 00:28:55,880 Speaker 1: book called The Game by Neil Strauss back in like 650 00:28:55,960 --> 00:28:58,560 Speaker 1: the early two thousands. It became a New York number 651 00:28:58,600 --> 00:28:59,200 Speaker 1: one best seller. 652 00:28:59,240 --> 00:29:02,920 Speaker 6: So I'm assuming it's like intentionally being negative to the 653 00:29:02,960 --> 00:29:05,720 Speaker 6: person you're on a date with to try and make 654 00:29:05,760 --> 00:29:06,920 Speaker 6: them want to impress you. 655 00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:11,360 Speaker 1: Well, so this book was created because it's manipulative techniques 656 00:29:11,400 --> 00:29:14,479 Speaker 1: to get women into bed. And Nil Strauss was a 657 00:29:14,600 --> 00:29:16,880 Speaker 1: very ugly pick up artist, but he would get like 658 00:29:17,400 --> 00:29:20,480 Speaker 1: tens like models, and so one of his. 659 00:29:20,440 --> 00:29:22,720 Speaker 5: Techniques was exactly that. It was in the book, it. 660 00:29:22,680 --> 00:29:26,600 Speaker 1: Was called nagging, and so it's like purposely putting a 661 00:29:26,640 --> 00:29:29,200 Speaker 1: woman down so she feels like, oh wait, you don't 662 00:29:29,200 --> 00:29:29,840 Speaker 1: think I'm that good. 663 00:29:29,880 --> 00:29:30,760 Speaker 5: I'm going to prove to you. 664 00:29:30,920 --> 00:29:32,600 Speaker 6: Try to mean, keep him keen. Isn't that the old 665 00:29:32,640 --> 00:29:34,240 Speaker 6: school saying basically. 666 00:29:33,800 --> 00:29:36,520 Speaker 5: That exactly exactly, Except that doesn't work on me. 667 00:29:36,760 --> 00:29:39,240 Speaker 1: So it doesn't work on anyone who has a good 668 00:29:39,520 --> 00:29:42,160 Speaker 1: self esteem, who's perfectly aware of who they are. It 669 00:29:42,160 --> 00:29:45,000 Speaker 1: does work on women who are probably a little fragile, 670 00:29:45,280 --> 00:29:47,120 Speaker 1: have maybe recently. 671 00:29:46,680 --> 00:29:49,520 Speaker 5: Got dumped, who are easy to manipulate. 672 00:29:49,640 --> 00:29:49,840 Speaker 4: Yep. 673 00:29:49,960 --> 00:29:52,120 Speaker 5: But he came to the wrong woman about theirs. 674 00:29:52,480 --> 00:29:55,760 Speaker 1: So all night he just kept following me around and 675 00:29:55,800 --> 00:29:58,360 Speaker 1: being like, tell us about your little blog, tell us 676 00:29:58,400 --> 00:30:01,640 Speaker 1: about your little blog. And then he just did it 677 00:30:01,760 --> 00:30:04,240 Speaker 1: one too many times and I ended up turning around. 678 00:30:04,080 --> 00:30:07,640 Speaker 5: And being like you're in affan see and. 679 00:30:07,840 --> 00:30:13,080 Speaker 1: Storming off, and the whole party went ooh. 680 00:30:11,720 --> 00:30:14,200 Speaker 5: And it didn't it didn't work out well for him. 681 00:30:14,480 --> 00:30:17,040 Speaker 6: I'm about to do what's called in the beers a segue. 682 00:30:17,080 --> 00:30:20,040 Speaker 6: If that's okay, I tell you who will never neg you. 683 00:30:21,720 --> 00:30:25,360 Speaker 6: The woman eyes the next duo thanks to Juju, and 684 00:30:25,440 --> 00:30:27,280 Speaker 6: it just so happens that we've got your chance to 685 00:30:27,320 --> 00:30:28,400 Speaker 6: win one of these bad boys. 686 00:30:28,480 --> 00:30:29,040 Speaker 4: So if you're. 687 00:30:28,920 --> 00:30:30,880 Speaker 6: Dealing with a short king who's a bit of a 688 00:30:30,920 --> 00:30:33,680 Speaker 6: dickhead who wears glasses frames without the lenses and he 689 00:30:33,760 --> 00:30:36,840 Speaker 6: negs you, forget that guy. 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