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Speaker 1: I have the freshly eliminated queen from RuPaul's Drag Race
Speaker 1: down Under series two that has arguably polarized her audience.
Speaker 1: It is Mini Cooper. This series on down Under, we
Speaker 1: have been on a real journey with Minnie Cooper. Her experience,
Speaker 1: her humor, and her commitment to the show certainly did
Speaker 1: not go unnoticed.
Speaker 2: And while she.
Speaker 1: Did rub some queens the wrong way, audiences were left divided.
Speaker 1: Love her or hate her. This is one impressive queen.
Speaker 1: There was plenty to talk about with Minnie and we
Speaker 1: have to pay some respect to some impressive commentary with
Speaker 1: her master interviews, her conflict style was always take no prisoners,
Speaker 1: and let's face it, I don't think anyone will ever
Speaker 1: use a stapler on address again. We will talk about
Speaker 1: the segregation she felt from the others, the snatch game
Speaker 1: that didn't really pay off, her secret bond with RuPaul himself,
Speaker 1: and some shady answers from an outspoken queen. However, let's
Speaker 1: get started with today's guest. I'd like to welcome Minnie Cooper,
Speaker 1: who I loved to TV reload.
Speaker 3: I'm talking to you because you were bitching behind my
Speaker 3: back previously on Rupas Jacks. Well, all that stuff that
Speaker 3: you see on the first day is just me being
Speaker 3: myself this whole season, Mini versus x y Za Queen
Speaker 3: was really upsetting for me to upset her that much.
Speaker 3: This is the first time in the competition I've seen
Speaker 3: you not feel in control. We're all talking about each
Speaker 3: other's outfit. Everyone hated my mind because I stuck with
Speaker 3: it together.
Speaker 1: Minni and Beverly, I'm sorry, my DearS, but you are
Speaker 1: both up for elimination.
Speaker 3: There's so much other stuff that you didn't see that
Speaker 3: didn't make it to camera, where we had such great rapport.
Speaker 2: Hi bare Mini Cooper how are you.
Speaker 3: I'm here eliminated. She's been picked to the.
Speaker 1: Curve, which is a massive shock. If you asked me,
Speaker 1: I was very surprised to see you go. Are you
Speaker 1: coping with the elimination?
Speaker 3: At the time, I wasn't coping, But I'm coping now
Speaker 3: it's been seven months. I've had a lot of time
Speaker 3: to think about it.
Speaker 2: Well, awesome to be able to have this chat with you.
Speaker 1: I thought you made a huge impact on this series,
Speaker 1: and the fact is you had the most amount of
Speaker 1: people talking about you.
Speaker 3: Well, I'm pretty interesting, That is true. I did have
Speaker 3: a lot of people talking tonight, not necessarily for good things.
Speaker 3: All the time, there was a whole episode about me,
Speaker 3: and I wasn't in the bottom, all the top. I
Speaker 3: didn't win, all lose.
Speaker 2: It says something about you, my friend.
Speaker 3: You know about this being polarizing.
Speaker 1: Can I just say that is the ultimate showbag with
Speaker 1: you is to get a bit of a shady comment,
Speaker 1: because that has just made my day.
Speaker 3: At least you can take the shade. Some people can't.
Speaker 1: They really can't. They really can't. I have to ask
Speaker 1: you how much of this experience was like what you
Speaker 1: expected to be.
Speaker 3: Honest, it wasn't what I expected. I didn't expect to
Speaker 3: be so isolated by the group. I didn't see that coming.
Speaker 3: I had no idea, Like I knew I was going
Speaker 3: to come in with my career and that would be
Speaker 3: obviously have an effect, but I didn't realize it would
Speaker 3: have that effect on people. And it was jarring because
Speaker 3: I've never been in a group of people, especially of drag,
Speaker 3: where I've been isolated by a group people like I've
Speaker 3: never experienced that before, So to me, it was really
Speaker 3: a fifty to be isolated on acquired people. It's just weird.
Speaker 3: It's like, psychologically it wasn't great.
Speaker 2: Well from the start, you had the best jokes and
Speaker 2: the best pieces to camera, and I want to know
Speaker 2: what sort of preparation did you put into the show
Speaker 2: prior to packing your bags and turning up.
Speaker 3: Well, all that stuff that you see on the first
Speaker 3: day is just me being myself because I am constantly
Speaker 3: making jokes and having a good time and being aware
Speaker 3: of the environment. Okay, you're going to throw something at
Speaker 3: me off. That's what drag queens do well. In my
Speaker 3: generation of drag, you throw a joke, you throw it back,
Speaker 3: and you bounce off each other, and it's fun. It's
Speaker 3: fun to say, well, you've fifty, how old are you? Well,
Speaker 3: at least I look good, Like it's just funny. It's
Speaker 3: just lighthearted.
Speaker 1: When you were relaxed and you weren't worrying about the others,
Speaker 1: you really shone in a way that was just excellent.
Speaker 2: It was great television.
Speaker 1: But I guess a lot of people were wondering, did
Speaker 1: you get sandbagged by the relationships with these other queens?
Speaker 3: One hundred percent? Like, I think that's obvious in Snatch
Speaker 3: Game because I had that oldcation. That oldcation with Beverly
Speaker 3: is literally probably an hour before we're doing Snatch Game,
Speaker 3: so you can imagine having that. And I didn't mean
Speaker 3: to upset Beverly. I actually really liked Beverly, and it
Speaker 3: was really upsetting for me to upset her that much
Speaker 3: because she was really upset, and for me, because I'm
Speaker 3: empathic person, I would never want to upset her like that.
Speaker 3: So I'm going into this comedy challenge where I don't
Speaker 3: feel funny. I don't feel like having joy because I've
Speaker 3: upset this poor kid. Like it's not nice. It's not
Speaker 3: a nice feeling.
Speaker 1: You know, there was a lot of people commenting online
Speaker 1: saying that RuPaul loved you the most out of all
Speaker 1: of the Queen's. Do you think that there was any
Speaker 1: truth in that, especially in episode one.
Speaker 3: Well, that was absolutely the truth, and that there's so
Speaker 3: much other stuff that you didn't see that didn't make
Speaker 3: it to camera where we had such great rapport and
Speaker 3: that I think was a great thing for me, but
Speaker 3: also a hindrance with the other contestants because they're all
Speaker 3: looking at me being confident and making real laugh and
Speaker 3: who doesn't want to do that on Rubel's drag race.
Speaker 3: It's like chag winning.
Speaker 1: I honestly think that you are a dream when it
Speaker 1: comes to reality television, because I think you are a
Speaker 1: bit of shake and bake drama. And that's because you
Speaker 1: can turn any situation into, you know, a big focus piece.
Speaker 1: You know, is that who you are? Or did this
Speaker 1: show do something to you?
Speaker 3: Well, it's really interesting because you know, one of my
Speaker 3: things was to go on that show was to discover
Speaker 3: things about myself as well, like especially when I said
Speaker 3: to all Real, I think your costumes are fitting, and
Speaker 3: it's funny how she played that down. I don't know
Speaker 3: why she's going on about this. She was bitching and
Speaker 3: behind my back, and I pulled her up on it,
Speaker 3: and that's why it looks like it escalates. So it
Speaker 3: was quite funny that she said, Oh, I don't know
Speaker 3: which I'm talking to you because you were bitching behind
Speaker 3: my back. And I want to say, well, if you
Speaker 3: want to talk to me and we'll discuss it. And
Speaker 3: that's why that comes across quite heated, like that's something
Speaker 3: that you don't see on camera. And I wanted to
Speaker 3: find out why I had this reaction with people, Why
Speaker 3: my opinion causes a reaction like that in someone We're
Speaker 3: all talking about each other's outfit. Everyone hated my mind
Speaker 3: because I stuck pulling it together. Am I crying at
Speaker 3: the corner? No, I'm not.
Speaker 1: I think the side note to that is that it
Speaker 1: is the best recipe for success when it comes to
Speaker 1: TV reality TV stes. Producers want someone to go from
Speaker 1: zero to one hundred pretty quickly, and in some situations
Speaker 1: you kind of did, which I think made good television.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and it's so funny. I was just asked the
Speaker 3: question before because I did get trolled after that episode.
Speaker 3: I'm going to be honest, and it was about my
Speaker 3: dyslexia and it's so funny. Yeah, I did overreact in
Speaker 3: that moment, but I didn't know actually what they were
Speaker 3: laughing at because I was actually going to give them
Speaker 3: a compliment for being so helpful in the challenge, right,
Speaker 3: So here I am being vulnerable. They laugh and they go, oh,
Speaker 3: but it was only your joke. But I'd say this,
Speaker 3: if that was a person talking about their weight several
Speaker 3: times a day before and they brought it up again,
Speaker 3: would it be okay to laugh?
Speaker 1: But who decides the boundaries or the parameters on what
Speaker 1: is okay to be made fun of on Rupoul's Drag Race.
Speaker 3: What is it about dyslexia that people think it's okay
Speaker 3: that it's okay to laugh?
Speaker 1: Is that a really hard thing when it comes to
Speaker 1: RuPaul's Drag Race though, because around the world, I mean,
Speaker 1: it's a part of the magic at the show in
Speaker 1: a way, is to call people out and kind of
Speaker 1: make fun of some of their things, and then you're
Speaker 1: supposed to just dust it off and pick yourself up.
Speaker 1: But I think in some ways, you know, that wasn't
Speaker 1: how you wanted to play it. You know, you didn't
Speaker 1: play by the Rupoul's drag race rules in some ways.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I suppose it's so interest that you say that.
Speaker 3: So it's I think there's a time and the place
Speaker 3: to throw shade and laugh. I don't think when someone's
Speaker 3: talking about something vulnerable as a time and a place
Speaker 3: to be laughing and throwing shade. I think it's disrespectful.
Speaker 3: All that whole thing, to me is really quite vindictive
Speaker 3: and quite mean. And but then people go, it's all
Speaker 3: right for you to laugh. But I think it's two
Speaker 3: separate things.
Speaker 1: Reality TV is a very unusual thing because so much
Speaker 1: footage is shot, but then we only get to see
Speaker 1: a certain amount. We do struggle between the realities of
Speaker 1: what we remember and then what the audience is seeing,
Speaker 1: and they can be two different things. However, I do
Speaker 1: think the essence of people is captured correctly. Do you
Speaker 1: think the essence of Minnie Cooper has been captured correctly?
Speaker 3: Well, it's interesting when you see your conversation take out
Speaker 3: of context and it's flipped and the two separate conversations
Speaker 3: didn't happen like that, and what happened prior to that. Okay,
Speaker 3: if I said to this, if you had a whole
Speaker 3: bunch of people yelling at you, screaming at you. Prior
Speaker 3: to that conversation, would you have a different response to me.
Speaker 3: I think that's quite a major part of the the circumstance.
Speaker 3: Would have I said those things if I wasn't being
Speaker 3: yelled at by a group. I don't think of.
Speaker 1: With some of that drama away of your subconscious also
Speaker 1: wanting to be noticed. Because you were quite eloquent with
Speaker 1: the way in which you would have these little trice
Speaker 1: with people, and it made for good television. I wondered
Speaker 1: whether or not that was a your subconscious being like, oh,
Speaker 1: this is good content. Oh this is how I'm going
Speaker 1: to be, how I'm going to get seen.
Speaker 3: No, that's not the way I think. It's not the way.
Speaker 3: I don't think that way. It's not in my makeup.
Speaker 3: I would have been quite happy to get on that
Speaker 3: show and just made jokes.
Speaker 2: And the jokes that you made were hilarious. Let me
Speaker 2: tell you.
Speaker 3: Exactly, that's your I want to go on there and
Speaker 3: be an entertainer. I don't want to. I don't want
Speaker 3: them to be talking about stuff that happens backstage, that
Speaker 3: happened in a dressing room two years ago. Brought up
Speaker 3: on a television show, like, do I want to talk
Speaker 3: about that now? No? Absolutely not.
Speaker 1: Honestly, I think that it's going to be hard to
Speaker 1: watch without you because you were such a tent pole
Speaker 1: of this series. You know, you were so much a
Speaker 1: part of it. It'll be interesting to see where it
Speaker 1: goes without you.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but I think in any circumstance, I think the Giana,
Speaker 3: we're going to have to change a move it somewhere
Speaker 3: else because it's obviously part Like I believe if you
Speaker 3: look at it as a group of ten people, right
Speaker 3: and with these lines in a pack, that line goes, well,
Speaker 3: the drama's got to go somewhere else, because, let's face it,
Speaker 3: it's got to move to So who's next? The focal
Speaker 3: point's going to move to someone else? And who that is?
Speaker 3: I bet you're at someone else, I guarantee it.
Speaker 2: Who do you think it would be?
Speaker 3: I'd say Beverly? Is it my picking?
Speaker 2: Okay, because it's.
Speaker 3: Got to move somewhere. Who else? Who would you would
Speaker 3: be next in the firing line. It's either going to
Speaker 3: be Beverly or it's going to be Uri. And I
Speaker 3: don't think it's going to be Uri.
Speaker 1: Well, we got to see you react to that sort
Speaker 1: of treatment. How do you think Beverly is going to
Speaker 1: respond to it if she then gets the heat. Oh,
Speaker 1: it's the focus put on her.
Speaker 3: I think she'll be reactive like I was reactive. But
Speaker 3: I think she does it. I don't know she'll be
Speaker 3: able to be as calm as I am in that circumstance,
Speaker 3: because I think I was pretty calm, and because I can't.
Speaker 3: I thought I was calm at the time, but when
Speaker 3: I watched back, Oh, I'm not so calm.
Speaker 1: I know that feeling. I know that feeling very well.
Speaker 1: I remember thinking in Big Brother, when I was doing
Speaker 1: that show, I remember thinking I was like, really can'tfortable
Speaker 1: with being able to have conflict, And I would talk
Speaker 1: it through and then I'd watch it back and I'd
Speaker 1: be like, oh my god, I'm an asshole.
Speaker 3: That's exactly what I thought as well. Do you check
Speaker 3: it what I thought as well?
Speaker 1: To be honest, Well, the younger Queen's being a little
Speaker 1: I mean, they were being a little bit ages towards you,
Speaker 1: and that was a huge talking point right from the
Speaker 1: start of the series. Is that a reflection of this
Speaker 1: competition or is that the drag scene as a whole.
Speaker 3: I think it's the gay scene as a whole, right,
Speaker 3: don't you think too? When you're a gay man of
Speaker 3: an age, you can walk into a bar and you
Speaker 3: cannot even be present or exist, And that happens all
Speaker 3: the time. Would you agree?
Speaker 1: The LGBTI community is amazing to be a part of.
Speaker 1: But we can also be our worst enemy. And I've
Speaker 1: seen that happen Whilst we're trying to prove who we are.
Speaker 1: Sometimes we can stand on others. That's what I think.
Speaker 3: Oh, I agree, and you don't want I find the
Speaker 3: most fascinating. It just gets my goat all the time
Speaker 3: we've asked for gay marriage and asked to be the same,
Speaker 3: yet we don't want to invite them into our spaces.
Speaker 3: So I was too many straight girls here or and
Speaker 3: I just think, what are you saying? One minute, you're
Speaker 3: saying you want to be treated the same, you're saying
Speaker 3: you're you don't want people to come in. That doesn't
Speaker 3: compute in my brain. Just I don't get that connection.
Speaker 3: I've really struggled with that.
Speaker 1: For some reason, we want to be included by everybody.
Speaker 1: We should include others.
Speaker 3: Yeah, to me, it's such a we fought for that, like,
Speaker 3: I'm glad we paid all that money for the play
Speaker 3: aside because I think, you know, we we pay all
Speaker 3: these taxes. We don't have children, so I'm glad we
Speaker 3: have that.
Speaker 1: Phot Some of the other queens have come out saying
Speaker 1: that they didn't really see being ages towards you being
Speaker 1: a problem, or they said that, you know, they didn't
Speaker 1: even notice they were doing it. Is that another part
Speaker 1: of the problem I guess in our community is not
Speaker 1: being self aware of how we are treating other people.
Speaker 3: One hundred percent. I don't even know half the time.
Speaker 3: We'll look at the first thing she asked me that
Speaker 3: came out of her mouth, that's ages. I didn't ask
Speaker 3: her about her age was so I would never do
Speaker 3: that to someone, ask what their ages. That's ages. That's
Speaker 3: what agesm is because oh you're old, you're old. Focusing
Speaker 3: on I'm not your age, that's ages. But it also
Speaker 3: goes the same way where I could look at them,
Speaker 3: go of the young the young kids. The way they
Speaker 3: responded lat's ageism as well to their defense.
Speaker 1: The question that's there, though, and it has to be asked,
Speaker 1: is is there any insecurity about your age?
Speaker 3: I mean to be perfectly honest. Going into the show,
Speaker 3: I did not feel like that. But being in that
Speaker 3: group has made me feel like because I was ostracized
Speaker 3: because of my age and who I am because I
Speaker 3: wasn't their age group and at where they are emotionally
Speaker 3: and mentally in life, I'm much more mature, I've had
Speaker 3: more experience, So that made me isolated by that group.
Speaker 3: Was it intimidating? So many reasons why they? Only they
Speaker 3: could really answer that, not me.
Speaker 1: Do you feel like you've learned something from this? Do
Speaker 1: you feel like you're stronger now going back into I
Speaker 1: mean the world that you've already owned for so many years.
Speaker 1: But do you feel like this show has made you stronger?
Speaker 1: Or has it made you question yourself?
Speaker 3: It's made me question myself to do everything else.
Speaker 2: No, I need to go and have a drink with
Speaker 2: you immediately.
Speaker 1: I didn't remind you of the amazingness that you have
Speaker 1: been able to create for so many years. You are
Speaker 1: one of the iconic austrained drag queens. I mean, when
Speaker 1: I think of Melbourne, I think of Paris the drag Queen.
Speaker 3: And I love Paris. Yeah, I know, and.
Speaker 1: I wonder if Paris was in your situation being that
Speaker 1: you guys are of a certain age. Like I'm not
Speaker 1: going to say how old either of you are, nor
Speaker 1: is it that important, But how do you think that
Speaker 1: Paris would have reacted to all of that?
Speaker 3: Probably the same. It's just weird. I just didn't expect it.
Speaker 3: I just didn't expect it because I don't feel like
Speaker 3: that when I work in the environment in Sydney, I
Speaker 3: feel like I'm standing next to someone I work with.
Speaker 3: We always made this joke I said, ninety six was
Speaker 3: the year I bought my apartment, ninety six, It was
Speaker 3: a year or she was born. But we work together
Speaker 3: and I don't feel and she offers stuff to me
Speaker 3: and it's reciprocated, like I don't look at her talent
Speaker 3: any less than I look at my eye. But I
Speaker 3: felt in that environment it was very but I don't know.
Speaker 3: I'm bearing your hardly a meter two. They heard of
Speaker 3: me and had a perception of me, but didn't know me,
Speaker 3: like Molly. I didn't know Molly at all, and she
Speaker 3: had a perception of me.
Speaker 1: Well, I think we can all be like that. And
Speaker 1: in a world of Instagram and being on social media
Speaker 1: and us believing we know who people are from what
Speaker 1: we can just see through through photo and through text.
Speaker 1: I mean it's a real breakdown of society of actually
Speaker 1: genuinely knowing people.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Like because I could look at Kong, who I'd
Speaker 3: followed online and had so much respect for as a performer,
Speaker 3: but then meeting Kong, there was so much more to
Speaker 3: Kong than just a tumble roll. Like I even text
Speaker 3: Kong after the Roast challenge and I said, look at
Speaker 3: you being more than just a tumble role on that episode, Like,
Speaker 3: how much more of you that I saw in that
Speaker 3: two and a half minutes of that episode. How incredible
Speaker 3: you were a star? Like cong that was a star
Speaker 3: performance I believed by Kom on that episode.
Speaker 1: Absolutely. What do you think of the amount of new
Speaker 1: drag queens that we all have now all around the
Speaker 1: world that have surfaced because of RuPaul's drag race.
Speaker 3: Well, it's leading people living their authentic life. See, when
Speaker 3: I grew up, I was never there so much shame
Speaker 3: involved with being a drag queen. Like to put on
Speaker 3: a dress to go out the door was a really
Speaker 3: big thing. Like it wasn't safe, it was taking a risk,
Speaker 3: and you were being mocked. You were basically if you
Speaker 3: were a drag queen before Drag Race, you were a
Speaker 3: junkie and you were basically you parted, that's all you
Speaker 3: ever did. That you were stigmatized into this one. What
Speaker 3: a drag queen is where Drag Race now has showed
Speaker 3: you that actually we're actually a human being that actually
Speaker 3: hold down a job.
Speaker 2: And it's very different and paid your bills, like you know.
Speaker 3: Think about own your own apartment.
Speaker 1: Not everyone has that you should wear that you should
Speaker 1: wear that well. I have been asking everyone coming off
Speaker 1: the show for a recommendation in case there's a down
Speaker 1: under series three, Do you have a recommendation for an
Speaker 1: Australian queen that you think should go on the show?
Speaker 3: Vanity Fair torah heiman penetration for them to right in
Speaker 3: there and see what you get. You know, I love
Speaker 3: to see more of an older demographic with minimal young
Speaker 3: people and see see how that would work, Like be
Speaker 3: a bit more of an even playing field. I reckon
Speaker 3: if I had even one more person that knew me
Speaker 3: on my spectrum, it would have been a whole different ballgame.
Speaker 1: The drag queens that I like, that I grew up with,
Speaker 1: that I think this is showing my age because I'm
Speaker 1: mid forties, but I grew up watching drag that is you,
Speaker 1: and so maybe my connection to you has a lot
Speaker 1: to do with the aesthetic of drag that I appreciate
Speaker 1: that I've grown up with. And maybe there is a
Speaker 1: little bit of a distance between this new breed of drag.
Speaker 3: And there's nothing wrong with that though, because the people
Speaker 3: idolizing the people they see on TV. But I believe
Speaker 3: the best and I think what you're talking about if
Speaker 3: drag queens of my era is really an essence of
Speaker 3: who they are internally, not externally. They're not taking their
Speaker 3: drag from somewhere else like my drag. I believe it
Speaker 3: comes from the inside of me. Like Mitsy Macintosh's vanity.
Speaker 3: All their drag comes from inside of them. Yeah, and
Speaker 3: I think it represents the Well.
Speaker 1: We need to quickly talk about something that happened in
Speaker 1: the episode, which is the Snatch Game. You were so
Speaker 1: confident with your Ellen impersonation when you got your chance
Speaker 1: to have a pregame conversation with Rue Paul. Where do
Speaker 1: you think that that Ellen impersonation went wrong?
Speaker 3: Oh, I don't know. You told me.
Speaker 1: You were so confident with it, and I thought, you know,
Speaker 1: that's a great pick for Mini Cooper.
Speaker 2: That's a great pick.
Speaker 1: So this is going to be fine, And then I
Speaker 1: want to throw this to you. Your Ellen kind of
Speaker 1: was very similar to the SNL Ellen.
Speaker 3: Yeah exactly right, yes, yeah, yeah, because I took that
Speaker 3: from that whole thing from me.
Speaker 1: And I could see that, and I could and some
Speaker 1: people who will watch this will say that's not Ellen.
Speaker 1: But I think what you did was a little bit
Speaker 1: of the recipe of that snl impersonation, which was totally fine.
Speaker 1: But I think the confidence in your face with the
Speaker 1: whole thing wasn't being completely sold. So I just wondered
Speaker 1: whether or not there was something that was your undoing
Speaker 1: with that.
Speaker 3: I think it was having the altercation of Aubrey before,
Speaker 3: I'm not Aubrey, I'm Beverly before I went on. To
Speaker 3: be perfectly honest, I was keeping mindset. And it's funny
Speaker 3: that you say that, because that's the way that was
Speaker 3: playing on my mind very much. So really weighed on me.
Speaker 3: And here you are going into a challenge with something
Speaker 3: like that. I don't know if you've ever had conflict
Speaker 3: like that and had to perform. It's really hard, especially
Speaker 3: in that melting pot, which you know, being in that
Speaker 3: melting pop what it's like.
Speaker 1: You know the trick and this is so weird if
Speaker 1: I had to learn this. But if I'm doing television
Speaker 1: or as something live in front of an audience, I
Speaker 1: don't I minimize the amount of contact I have with
Speaker 1: people because it will change who I am on stage.
Speaker 1: The last things that you have with people before you
Speaker 1: go on to be a presenter, it's still in you.
Speaker 1: So God is so careful of that, you know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I agree with you one hundred percent. So how
Speaker 3: can you go on and be joyful and be funny
Speaker 3: when you've just had an old cage, when you've upset someone?
Speaker 1: Well, that's why I don't have an ento rush. If
Speaker 1: I'm going somewhere to do a job, I go on
Speaker 1: the plane and I fly there. I go by myself.
Speaker 1: They're like, do you want to have people in the
Speaker 1: green room? Can we organize any food for you? And
Speaker 1: I'm like, I will be by myself because I've got
Speaker 1: to get into the zone.
Speaker 2: It's a job.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I agree with that, all wanted, And I think
Speaker 3: that's why when I first come onto the show, because
Speaker 3: I've just been by myself and I'm really am in
Speaker 3: that space like I've just having fun.
Speaker 2: Was there anyone else that you could have been, because
Speaker 2: that's the question.
Speaker 3: My other choice, but never asked me, so I didn't
Speaker 3: even go there. That was jelling. I would have been
Speaker 3: so much better.
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, Oh that would have been so good. Well,
Speaker 1: you'll have to do that on your Instagram or wherever
Speaker 1: you're going to turn up next. We're going to have
Speaker 1: to see some Jenny little from you.
Speaker 3: Let me try delling. You've run out. I'll run a
Speaker 3: lady when I run a lady.
Speaker 1: You know, in other seasons of RuPaul, when Queen's would
Speaker 1: be shady with each other, they would quickly move on.
Speaker 1: What I loved about you was that you wanted to
Speaker 1: finish everything that you started.
Speaker 2: Is that a part of the Mini Cooper brand?
Speaker 3: Yeah? It is, because I believe if you don't, because
Speaker 3: I think what's happened in my li I think this
Speaker 3: is from being older. Is when you don't resolve things,
Speaker 3: people carry them. And I'm the type of person if
Speaker 3: I resolve that, I can move on, Like the minutes
Speaker 3: of resolve, I move on. Are you okay? I'm okay?
Speaker 3: From And it might be uncomfortable for a sick but
Speaker 3: if you talk about it and come to a resolution
Speaker 3: of a place, because I take responsibility in a second,
Speaker 3: I'm not saying I'm almost right. Like what I said
Speaker 3: did upset you and it probably wasn't the right thing.
Speaker 3: What you wanted them with someone to lift you up,
Speaker 3: and I didn't give you that, and that's I shouldn't.
Speaker 3: That's not where you're after. And I get I heard that.
Speaker 1: Sometimes people take it as being aggressive, you know, for
Speaker 1: me as well, I'll be people have put it to bed,
Speaker 1: but I'm still thinking about it and I still need
Speaker 1: to finish it off and have they.
Speaker 3: Put it to bed though I don't believe they had
Speaker 3: put it. If they put it to bed, why would
Speaker 3: they bitching behind my back? That's not putting it to bed.
Speaker 3: And that's when it all started, the isolation and started
Speaker 3: because it's so funny. It's also the way they've shot
Speaker 3: it as well. They only ever show me having the conversation.
Speaker 3: They never show you the chwo or three people that
Speaker 3: are talking. Did you notice that?
Speaker 2: Yeah? I did, I really noticed that.
Speaker 1: But you know what I also noticed was usually when
Speaker 1: there's a tiny little bit of conflict with rue Paul,
Speaker 1: it goes quickly to like a sound effect into something else.
Speaker 1: And I'm always going to remember you, Minnie, because I'm
Speaker 1: always going to remember those moments where it didn't leave
Speaker 1: and we did get you to ask the second question,
Speaker 1: which was really out of the you know, not in
Speaker 1: the cannon of RuPaul's drag race at all, because it
Speaker 1: normally would be like that's done, short, sharp and move on.
Speaker 1: But then it was like they left the camera and
Speaker 1: you a little bit longer for you to ask another question,
Speaker 1: which I thought was really interesting.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's interesting, isn't it. I found that really interesting
Speaker 3: as well, from just from a why what I found
Speaker 3: interesting about the way the cameras were why they weren't
Speaker 3: showing them? Ask them as well? Why was the focus
Speaker 3: always the focus was always on me? Did you notice that?
Speaker 2: Absolutely? I did?
Speaker 3: Yeah, Why did they do that? I don't know.
Speaker 1: The answers to that, I think because and I understand
Speaker 1: that being a polarizing person myself, is if they gave it,
Speaker 1: if they've given us the whole picture, we would understand
Speaker 1: the story. But on the giving us half of it
Speaker 1: gave us more to digest. And so I think that
Speaker 1: is something that you and I both get easily done
Speaker 1: with television is that they don't really show you the
Speaker 1: whole picture. They just show you half of it, and
Speaker 1: then people have to think more about it.
Speaker 3: And it's so interesting listening into the podcasts of everyone's
Speaker 3: interpretation of what they thought the circumstance was, and some
Speaker 3: are right on the money. Some go like, it's really
Speaker 3: There's one podcast I listened to he's a psychologist, and
Speaker 3: he got he pited it all on the head, all
Speaker 3: of it. I was like, Oh, my god, that's right
Speaker 3: on the money. That's exactly what I How did you
Speaker 3: see that? But nobody else can see that. He could
Speaker 3: hear the other voices talking back in the camera was
Speaker 3: even though the camera was me. He goes, oh, there's
Speaker 3: a group of people talking to her, not just one person.
Speaker 1: The audience is not stupid and they do work things out.
Speaker 1: Like from my perspective watching the show, my take home
Speaker 1: from you brilliant drag queen, brilliant performer doesn't mind a
Speaker 1: little bit of conflict because I don't think you see
Speaker 1: conflict as a negative. I think you see conflict as
Speaker 1: a resolution. And that was blurred a little bit with
Speaker 1: you on the show and some people will watch that.
Speaker 1: Some people will watch you on the show and be like, oh,
Speaker 1: she's problematic. Where for me, I'm like, oh no, I
Speaker 1: think it's interesting.
Speaker 3: You know, yeah, and it was interesting. People will call
Speaker 3: me toxic. It's like wow, that's very hard thing to read.
Speaker 3: It's like whoa Okay, and when you see it on
Speaker 3: that episode, it looks like I'm like that twenty four cent.
Speaker 1: I guess that's the question. Are you do you think
Speaker 1: that the way you were seen and the way we
Speaker 1: saw you on RuPaul's is how you are in the
Speaker 1: normal drag scene?
Speaker 3: Not at all?
Speaker 2: Okay?
Speaker 3: Not twenty four seven? No? Am I do I approach conflict?
Speaker 2: Yes?
Speaker 3: Would I have said those things? Some of those things?
Speaker 3: What have I reacted to the dyslexia? Think of the
Speaker 3: way I did? Probably? Yes, in moment I would have
Speaker 3: been light snatched, Yes, agreed, I would. Yes.
Speaker 1: So we're going to play a game, and I've just
Speaker 1: been calling it shady old lady. I'm pretty sure I've
Speaker 1: stolen it from like Andy Cohen. I'm not sure I've
Speaker 1: heard shady or lady being played on something else. But
Speaker 1: four quick questions. You don't need to go into term.
Speaker 2: Much informations, just some simple answers.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I love this.
Speaker 1: Okay, shady ol lady. So you could be shady and
Speaker 1: just give me your honest answer, or you can say
Speaker 1: lady and you can veto the question if you don't
Speaker 1: feel comfortable. So I'm giving you the out. Okay, okay,
Speaker 1: So who was the most talented? Not yourself, but who
Speaker 1: was the most talented Quinn? Who would you say is
Speaker 1: the funniest? Who was the funniest Spanky Jackson? Who did
Speaker 1: you not like or maybe didn't get enough time to
Speaker 1: get to know?
Speaker 3: Molly?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 1: Who was the messiest queen? That's why she had to
Speaker 1: shave off for eyebrows?
Speaker 3: Yeah? Exactly, I love you my favorite. Actually, I just
Speaker 3: with her so much. She's so funny. I think it
Speaker 3: comes across slightly on camera, but she's just so hysterically funny,
Speaker 3: so funny. I adored her today.
Speaker 1: It actually Well, the last question I have for you
Speaker 1: is the hardest one? Who deserved to go home instead
Speaker 1: of you?
Speaker 3: Bellily?
Speaker 1: Can I just say this has just been so amazing
Speaker 1: to have this chat with you.
Speaker 2: I'm a big fan.
Speaker 1: I will be forever in your audience, and I just
Speaker 1: hope that this RuPaul's drag Race is just an amazing
Speaker 1: chapter in a very big story.
Speaker 2: For you and congratulations.
Speaker 3: I have to say thank you very much and thanks
Speaker 3: for watching him. Thanks for John, I've been a big
Speaker 3: fan as well. Love polarizing people.