WEBVTT - KENT - AUSTRALIAN SURVIVOR WEEK1 - NETWORK TEN 0:00:00.120 --> 0:00:01.680 It's in the news today, but it was actually on 0:00:01.720 --> 0:00:04.080 TV Reload, the podcast last week that lif. 0:00:04.840 --> 0:00:07.080 Hey guys, welcome back to TV Reload. I want to 0:00:07.080 --> 0:00:09.800 thank you for clicking and downloading on today's episode with Kent, 0:00:10.000 --> 0:00:14.000 one of this week's eliminated Australian Survivor players. The popular 0:00:14.040 --> 0:00:17.040 reality show is back on Network ten and there's already 0:00:17.079 --> 0:00:19.720 been a few decent twists and turns which has been 0:00:19.880 --> 0:00:23.360 really interesting to watch unfold. Brains Versus Brown two is 0:00:23.400 --> 0:00:26.119 a return to this popular Survivor theme and what a 0:00:26.200 --> 0:00:28.360 first week we had served up by the team at 0:00:28.440 --> 0:00:31.560 Endemols Shine Australia. I think there has been some really 0:00:31.560 --> 0:00:33.880 cool setups with some of the characters and I'm already 0:00:33.960 --> 0:00:37.440 quite invested in the dynamics on both teams. This week 0:00:37.440 --> 0:00:40.640 we saw Candy, Indy and Kent eliminated in the first 0:00:40.640 --> 0:00:43.559 tribal councils and we are lucky enough to unpack the 0:00:43.600 --> 0:00:46.360 first week with Kent. Today. Kent will talk about how 0:00:46.360 --> 0:00:48.919 he was cast after ten years of applying and what 0:00:49.040 --> 0:00:51.960 nearly saw him say no to accepting a spot in 0:00:52.000 --> 0:00:54.640 this series. Kent will share what he thinks about the 0:00:54.680 --> 0:00:58.200 first three eliminations and what he expects to happen in 0:00:58.240 --> 0:01:01.200 the aftermath of his exit. I find out about his 0:01:01.360 --> 0:01:03.760 journey on the show and what it has been like 0:01:03.840 --> 0:01:07.080 watching his personality from a viewer's point of view. You 0:01:07.120 --> 0:01:10.080 will get everything from burning maxis hat, what he really 0:01:10.120 --> 0:01:13.680 thinks of Miles, and why it took months to recover 0:01:13.840 --> 0:01:16.759 from this experience. There is so much to talk about, 0:01:16.959 --> 0:01:19.959 with so many inside revelations, So guys, sit back and 0:01:20.000 --> 0:01:23.039 relax as we unpack the wonderful world of a Strand Survivor, 0:01:23.200 --> 0:01:26.720 which is back this week on Sunday Night. This is 0:01:26.800 --> 0:01:30.320 very exciting because from the minute I watched the first episode, 0:01:30.440 --> 0:01:32.679 I'd heard that there was someone in this series that 0:01:32.720 --> 0:01:35.800 had applied for many had been applying for many years. 0:01:36.000 --> 0:01:38.199 I think what I want to really talk to you about, though, 0:01:38.319 --> 0:01:41.440 is this ongoing debate about do you think being a 0:01:41.480 --> 0:01:45.200 schooled fan of the show helps you in reality? 0:01:45.440 --> 0:01:49.120 Oh? Look, as much as I am a super fan, 0:01:49.480 --> 0:01:52.840 like I've loved the show as everybody has listened and 0:01:52.880 --> 0:01:55.680 heard forever since its inception, but I'm not one of 0:01:55.720 --> 0:01:58.360 those people like Miles who can be like season two, 0:01:58.400 --> 0:02:00.960 episode six, this person and played this and they should 0:02:00.960 --> 0:02:03.320 have done that and that's not how my brain works. Sadly, 0:02:03.440 --> 0:02:06.600 my brand's pretty good, but it's not that good. That's 0:02:06.600 --> 0:02:09.799 one area where I lack, but I'm better in other areas. 0:02:09.880 --> 0:02:12.639 So I think it's certainly something like Master has the 0:02:12.680 --> 0:02:15.480 ability to kind of do the numbers and strategize and everything. 0:02:15.680 --> 0:02:20.120 That's never been me. For me, it was my Waimea Bay, 0:02:20.360 --> 0:02:23.680 my Mount Everest. It was the peak that was unachievable 0:02:23.760 --> 0:02:25.320 that no one has climbed before. 0:02:25.800 --> 0:02:26.760 That's what it was for me. 0:02:26.840 --> 0:02:29.600 It was never about winning, it was never about it 0:02:29.680 --> 0:02:32.280 was just achieving the goal, the dream. 0:02:32.720 --> 0:02:33.880 That's what it was all about for me. 0:02:34.280 --> 0:02:36.919 You like the rich people from Jurassic Park three where 0:02:36.919 --> 0:02:38.760 they were like, we've got so much money we can 0:02:38.760 --> 0:02:39.760 pay to go to the island. 0:02:40.040 --> 0:02:41.480 The money inside of it, you know. 0:02:41.600 --> 0:02:44.280 I answered one question which was, hey, Kent, are you 0:02:44.320 --> 0:02:47.400 a multimillionaire? And I went, yeah, I'm a multimillionaire, but 0:02:47.440 --> 0:02:49.680 I'm not Jeanine Ellis. But all you got was that 0:02:49.760 --> 0:02:53.160 I'm a multimillionaire, and then they played that a thousand times. 0:02:53.440 --> 0:02:55.839 And I don't want to be defined by the guy 0:02:55.880 --> 0:02:57.760 that was cast that has a bit of money. I 0:02:57.800 --> 0:03:00.000 would love to have just been seen as the entrepre 0:03:00.080 --> 0:03:03.640 I know, the money side of it is irrelevant. 0:03:03.160 --> 0:03:05.040 In my game and who I am as a person. 0:03:05.480 --> 0:03:07.400 Sure that gives me some great stuff, like I get 0:03:07.400 --> 0:03:10.160 to do cool stuff snowboarding and surfing and all that 0:03:10.240 --> 0:03:10.720 kind of stuff. 0:03:10.760 --> 0:03:13.480 But yeah, it was a goal. And I'm one of 0:03:13.480 --> 0:03:14.320 those people in life that. 0:03:14.240 --> 0:03:16.800 I will push and push and push and persist and persist. 0:03:16.800 --> 0:03:18.560 And when I met my wife, I told her about 0:03:18.560 --> 0:03:20.640 the show. My kids that are twenty eight and twenty 0:03:20.680 --> 0:03:23.840 six have known pretty much their whole existence about Survivor, 0:03:23.919 --> 0:03:25.400 and I told them that I'm going to be on 0:03:25.400 --> 0:03:28.240 one day and lo and behold, guess what I did it. 0:03:28.560 --> 0:03:30.840 You know, there's this debate about reality TV. Let's go 0:03:30.880 --> 0:03:33.960 with this about reality TV, where it's a really good 0:03:34.000 --> 0:03:36.920 opportunity to look in and see who you really are 0:03:37.040 --> 0:03:38.920 because we in the real world, we don't get it 0:03:38.960 --> 0:03:41.360 played back and we have no idea about how people 0:03:41.400 --> 0:03:43.560 see us. Do you think this is an accurate portrayal 0:03:43.600 --> 0:03:46.000 of you? Do you think you might have seen something 0:03:46.040 --> 0:03:48.680 about yourself that you thought, hang on a zech, that's 0:03:48.680 --> 0:03:50.640 not who I am. You know, I didn't realize that's 0:03:50.680 --> 0:03:52.040 how I came across oh well. 0:03:52.040 --> 0:03:55.320 Interestingly, I was auditioned a couple of years ago as 0:03:55.360 --> 0:03:55.800 a villain. 0:03:56.120 --> 0:03:57.600 They ran and said, hey, can we want to audition 0:03:57.680 --> 0:03:58.160 it as a villain. 0:03:58.200 --> 0:04:01.320 And then I went, amazing a villain, but I'll try, 0:04:01.560 --> 0:04:03.920 and they went, hey, You're not the villain, sorry, lo 0:04:04.000 --> 0:04:07.080 and Behold. I ended up being quite villainous. But as 0:04:07.120 --> 0:04:10.600 to who you see, honestly, don't think you know. I 0:04:10.640 --> 0:04:13.120 have a bad bone in my body. I'm incredibly kind, 0:04:13.200 --> 0:04:14.040 I'm full of love. 0:04:14.520 --> 0:04:15.320 Hopefully in the. 0:04:15.320 --> 0:04:17.479 In the pre show videos, you'll see me talking about 0:04:17.480 --> 0:04:18.440 how I just want to come in there and I 0:04:18.440 --> 0:04:20.280 want to hug Miles and hold him and protect him 0:04:20.279 --> 0:04:22.440 because I'm worried about him. I want to be the 0:04:22.440 --> 0:04:25.360 father figure. And then Lo and Behold. I get in there, 0:04:25.400 --> 0:04:28.279 and night one, Miles tells me I'm the first to 0:04:28.320 --> 0:04:30.880 go on the chopping block. Day two, he tells everybody 0:04:30.880 --> 0:04:35.839 that I found an idol. I'm like, Okay, this journey 0:04:35.839 --> 0:04:36.719 is going to be a quick one. 0:04:36.960 --> 0:04:41.280 Better make an impact. I'm gonna I'm gonna burn Max's hat. 0:04:41.440 --> 0:04:43.960 Because Max had done three things to me in the 0:04:43.960 --> 0:04:45.080 space of about ten minutes. 0:04:45.200 --> 0:04:47.680 I was like, Max, who's here right by the way. 0:04:47.839 --> 0:04:51.120 He's just turned up. We're going hat shopping today, Max. 0:04:51.400 --> 0:04:54.039 Get My name's Ben, Welcome to the podcast. I just 0:04:54.040 --> 0:04:58.520 wishit get a So I watched the first episode without 0:04:58.560 --> 0:05:01.040 my partner and I said to him, there's a guy 0:05:01.080 --> 0:05:03.240 that's in this series. When you first look at him, 0:05:03.279 --> 0:05:05.000 you might not think he's the hottest person in the world, 0:05:05.040 --> 0:05:07.400 but by the time you finished the episode, you'll be obsessed. 0:05:07.760 --> 0:05:11.600 I agree, I am the most heterosexual man on the planet. 0:05:12.240 --> 0:05:14.960 But I was like, my god, how good looking. 0:05:15.040 --> 0:05:17.720 We are gonna we are going to launch you through this, 0:05:18.000 --> 0:05:19.760 And I said all along, he's gonna love it when 0:05:19.800 --> 0:05:21.760 I burn his hat because he's going to be burnts down, 0:05:21.800 --> 0:05:24.200 our main character. And you're going to get some modeling 0:05:24.200 --> 0:05:26.640 giggs Atus because he's honestly, you're one of the best 0:05:26.680 --> 0:05:27.120 looking dudes. 0:05:27.360 --> 0:05:31.040 Look at him. He's a good looking He's a good 0:05:31.080 --> 0:05:33.320 looking guy. Thank you. It means a lot. 0:05:33.480 --> 0:05:35.280 We're gonna have to pick all of that up and 0:05:35.320 --> 0:05:36.320 move it to the side. 0:05:36.440 --> 0:05:37.239 I'll see you in a minute. 0:05:38.680 --> 0:05:40.960 Lovely to meet you. So you know, Ken, I just 0:05:41.000 --> 0:05:42.560 want to talk to you a little bit more about 0:05:42.600 --> 0:05:45.920 just that reflection of yourself. Did watching this show make 0:05:46.000 --> 0:05:48.640 you think about who you are as a person. Do 0:05:48.680 --> 0:05:51.120 you think watching this will make you change any of 0:05:51.160 --> 0:05:51.760 your behavior? 0:05:52.920 --> 0:05:57.200 Look, everything in Survivor is incredibly amplified. Can's a mad 0:05:57.279 --> 0:05:59.839 man running around with the magette? No canse the guy 0:05:59.880 --> 0:06:02.240 that has the one machete that we have that's been 0:06:02.279 --> 0:06:05.839 nominated to chop bamboo, chop down palm frongs. 0:06:06.080 --> 0:06:08.440 That was it. But I'm a crazy man. Man. 0:06:08.640 --> 0:06:11.520 Well, you did say quite a few cutting comments. I mean, 0:06:11.600 --> 0:06:15.360 some villainous, hilarious one line, but you did say those 0:06:15.400 --> 0:06:15.960 things though. 0:06:16.440 --> 0:06:18.800 Yeah, when it comes to me, maybe the way I 0:06:18.920 --> 0:06:21.080 kind of was like, I'm the I'm the praying mantis. 0:06:21.160 --> 0:06:23.919 I'm going to I'm going to eat Miles alive. And 0:06:24.320 --> 0:06:26.720 that's that's not my real world. You know. 0:06:26.800 --> 0:06:28.560 As I said, I went in there wanting. 0:06:28.320 --> 0:06:31.200 To protect I want I wanted to protect Myles, Sorry, 0:06:31.200 --> 0:06:32.440 I wanted to I wanted to. 0:06:32.400 --> 0:06:34.960 Protect him and nurture him and make sure he wasn't 0:06:35.000 --> 0:06:35.799 the first vote. 0:06:35.920 --> 0:06:39.920 But what happens in this game is that everything just 0:06:40.000 --> 0:06:43.200 gets turned on its head. I went in there, first 0:06:43.240 --> 0:06:47.200 of all, incredibly vulnerable. My wife was very sick. Just 0:06:47.240 --> 0:06:48.680 as I'd found out I was going on the show. 0:06:48.680 --> 0:06:50.479 If she was ill, I didn't want to leave her. 0:06:50.760 --> 0:06:53.279 It was my it was my my dream to be 0:06:53.400 --> 0:06:56.160 on Survivor. And then also my wife's incredibly ill, so 0:06:56.200 --> 0:06:58.040 I was like So I was in tears all the 0:06:58.040 --> 0:07:00.839 way to the airport. Night when I was prying On's shoulder, 0:07:01.440 --> 0:07:03.279 I had hurt my back really badly. 0:07:03.320 --> 0:07:07.320 I tore my seratus posteria. So I was in incredible pain. 0:07:07.360 --> 0:07:10.480 I couldn't sleep, and I can tell you I literally 0:07:10.560 --> 0:07:12.360 was losing my mind out there. 0:07:12.600 --> 0:07:15.160 So what you saw on the island was not a 0:07:15.160 --> 0:07:16.960 true reflection of who I am. 0:07:17.320 --> 0:07:21.200 Maybe certainly there's elements of it, but they were amplified 0:07:21.240 --> 0:07:23.720 based on the person that I became. 0:07:24.040 --> 0:07:24.880 I will say, and. 0:07:24.840 --> 0:07:27.600 When Rich said something's going on with Kant, I think 0:07:27.640 --> 0:07:30.440 the appropriate words were something wasn't quite right with me. 0:07:30.800 --> 0:07:34.200 And it took me about a month to get quite right. 0:07:34.280 --> 0:07:37.560 And I've never had any sort of mental health issues 0:07:37.600 --> 0:07:41.080 my entire life. But I came out a very fragile 0:07:41.560 --> 0:07:44.480 human being. And that's what I've learned from I guess 0:07:44.520 --> 0:07:48.160 from this is is that I'm far more fragile than 0:07:48.160 --> 0:07:49.120 what I ever realized. 0:07:49.480 --> 0:07:51.320 I think it's important to ask how the health of 0:07:51.360 --> 0:07:53.360 your wife is at the moment, if you don't mind 0:07:53.360 --> 0:07:54.840 sharing about that, how is she? 0:07:55.560 --> 0:07:58.040 Yeah, this is difficult to talk about. 0:07:58.400 --> 0:08:01.360 I came great joy that I rang her and said 0:08:01.360 --> 0:08:05.160 I'm out, and I came home to honestly a lot 0:08:05.160 --> 0:08:08.560 of grief. We then spent the next eight weeks traveling 0:08:08.560 --> 0:08:10.880 around Europe and had a great time. But it's been 0:08:10.920 --> 0:08:15.280 a battle. I abandoned her in the biggest time of 0:08:15.360 --> 0:08:18.360 need ever in her existence, and her husband. 0:08:18.080 --> 0:08:20.440 Got went sea. I'm going to fulfill my dream. 0:08:20.800 --> 0:08:24.800 Hence the overwhelmingness that hit me of all of it, 0:08:24.800 --> 0:08:26.760 it was, Yeah, it was a lot. 0:08:26.960 --> 0:08:30.080 I think sometimes when we make these decisions, you know, wrong, 0:08:30.120 --> 0:08:34.400 all right, they've been made and you have to go okay, 0:08:34.400 --> 0:08:37.880 that's what it is, and you have to move on. 0:08:37.960 --> 0:08:41.200 In a way, I think maybe the universe wanted you home, 0:08:41.480 --> 0:08:43.480 and maybe the universe made that decision for you. And 0:08:43.600 --> 0:08:46.240 I'm not completely one of those people that believes that, 0:08:46.520 --> 0:08:49.240 but I do think sometimes it's important for us to 0:08:49.320 --> 0:08:51.920 let the path guide us, and you know, maybe this 0:08:52.120 --> 0:08:55.079 was not your time. Also, maybe burning Max's hat will 0:08:55.120 --> 0:08:58.640 allow you to be back for heroes versus villains too, 0:08:59.520 --> 0:09:02.480 and the story may continue because there is something I 0:09:02.520 --> 0:09:04.679 can say to you, Ken about your time on this show. 0:09:04.840 --> 0:09:06.679 When you look at the people talking about the first 0:09:06.720 --> 0:09:10.280 three episodes, they are talking about you. You made an impact. 0:09:10.760 --> 0:09:14.679 I left because I made it happen. I knew when 0:09:14.720 --> 0:09:15.520 I burnt the hat there. 0:09:15.480 --> 0:09:18.480 Was never an intention of ever announcing it the tribal council. 0:09:18.640 --> 0:09:20.600 Why would you ever do that. It's like the stupidest 0:09:20.640 --> 0:09:23.760 move ever. Hey, guys, here's here's the machete. 0:09:23.800 --> 0:09:26.040 You put it to my throat. I was ready to go. 0:09:26.679 --> 0:09:30.120 I knew it would kill me, but I needed to go. 0:09:30.200 --> 0:09:31.599 And the second I walked. 0:09:31.320 --> 0:09:33.640 Out, I was like, okay, guys, yep, I'm happy to go. 0:09:33.760 --> 0:09:34.680 This is what I haven't told you. 0:09:34.720 --> 0:09:36.920 My wife's a time sick and I've ticked the box 0:09:36.960 --> 0:09:37.640 and I have. 0:09:37.679 --> 0:09:39.640 To get it out of here. Thank you so much. 0:09:40.080 --> 0:09:43.600 I sent David and phoebea message this morning and thanking 0:09:43.640 --> 0:09:45.880 them so much for giving me the opportunity and for 0:09:45.920 --> 0:09:49.360 the journey. And I said, never again, never again. But 0:09:49.400 --> 0:09:51.600 you know what it's like, it's in the blood. 0:09:51.960 --> 0:09:54.360 Yeah, look, reality, Clev's a little bit like Craig Cocaine. 0:09:54.400 --> 0:09:56.240 Let people get it and they're addicted, you know, And 0:09:56.280 --> 0:09:58.280 I'll destroy their lives until they get it again. 0:09:58.559 --> 0:10:00.280 Yeah, look for me, for me. 0:10:00.400 --> 0:10:02.600 Yeah, if there was an opportunity again and they'd be 0:10:03.120 --> 0:10:05.680 my wife would have to be well, and I would 0:10:05.720 --> 0:10:08.520 love the opportunity, and I would play a totally different game. 0:10:08.640 --> 0:10:09.200 I wouldn't. 0:10:09.360 --> 0:10:12.640 I wouldn't hang out of a bus and destroy my 0:10:12.840 --> 0:10:16.040 back and going injured and be in pain and not 0:10:16.240 --> 0:10:21.280 sleep for six days. And you know, with the correct surroundings, 0:10:21.280 --> 0:10:22.640 it would be a total And if I was on 0:10:22.679 --> 0:10:24.920 the right tribe, I should have been. Even though I 0:10:24.920 --> 0:10:26.400 am a little bit of a brain. 0:10:27.080 --> 0:10:30.280 I belonged. I belonged on the other tribe just. 0:10:30.240 --> 0:10:32.400 To get some of your hot takes on the show 0:10:32.520 --> 0:10:34.560 now because you can step back and be a bit 0:10:34.600 --> 0:10:36.800 of a viewer, but you also were there. I thought 0:10:36.800 --> 0:10:38.680 it would interesting to ask you about some of the 0:10:38.679 --> 0:10:41.480 other things that had happened. I really enjoyed the concept 0:10:41.520 --> 0:10:44.320 of the White Witch, regardless as to you know who 0:10:44.360 --> 0:10:46.960 our white witch is. I liked the idea of that. 0:10:47.040 --> 0:10:48.760 And the coven, I mean the Covenants. 0:10:48.800 --> 0:10:51.280 I guess it's a cool thing, you know, the Victoria 0:10:51.320 --> 0:10:52.280 Bidders and the Covenants. 0:10:52.360 --> 0:10:54.600 Let's put a name to something they can call it 0:10:54.640 --> 0:10:55.400 whatever they want. 0:10:55.840 --> 0:10:58.440 It was pretty visible day one that they were going 0:10:58.480 --> 0:11:01.560 to sort of do what they did quite often the case. 0:11:02.360 --> 0:11:05.680 I'm looking forward to them slowly eating each other alive, 0:11:06.000 --> 0:11:08.800 which I'm sure is inevitable. That's what's going to happen. 0:11:09.200 --> 0:11:11.840 Someone's going to flip. That's the beauty of this game, 0:11:11.880 --> 0:11:14.520 and it's so exciting to watch. I've caught up with 0:11:14.760 --> 0:11:17.200 so many people from the show. Max is here right now, 0:11:17.559 --> 0:11:20.520 Laura and myself, Morgan, Kate, and Noonan. 0:11:21.080 --> 0:11:21.800 I've caught up with. 0:11:21.840 --> 0:11:25.319 Miles, I've caught up with Kursten. We've all gone out 0:11:25.360 --> 0:11:28.320 for dinners. And Laura in particularly I found lovely. Yeah, 0:11:28.360 --> 0:11:31.520 she was great, although she was pretty cut throat on 0:11:31.559 --> 0:11:33.280 me last night, and I, as I said in the 0:11:33.320 --> 0:11:35.120 show last night, you know I trust you. 0:11:35.240 --> 0:11:38.120 Yeah she lied to my face, but yeah, she's a 0:11:38.120 --> 0:11:38.800 good white witch. 0:11:39.160 --> 0:11:41.160 Well that's the nature of these sorts of shows. So like, 0:11:41.200 --> 0:11:43.000 if you to play these games, well, you want to 0:11:43.000 --> 0:11:46.000 be able to create these TV moments, and this particular 0:11:46.040 --> 0:11:50.079 show celebrates people who lie, and you know a lie, 0:11:50.120 --> 0:11:51.319 well that's a part of it. 0:11:51.480 --> 0:11:51.840 You watch. 0:11:51.960 --> 0:11:55.000 Aj Aj is going to be I think he's going 0:11:55.040 --> 0:11:55.720 to be good to watch. 0:11:55.760 --> 0:11:58.199 I don't have the benefit of kind of knowing what's. 0:11:58.040 --> 0:12:01.480 Going to happen, but I feel that, Yeah, Aj came 0:12:01.520 --> 0:12:04.680 out last night, not out of the closet, he came out, 0:12:05.000 --> 0:12:07.319 and he's going to rise. 0:12:07.840 --> 0:12:08.520 I can see that. 0:12:08.760 --> 0:12:10.120 Looking at some of the other people that left this 0:12:10.160 --> 0:12:11.960 show this week, what did you think of the first boot? 0:12:12.040 --> 0:12:15.000 So you've got Candy that's coming out of this show first, 0:12:15.240 --> 0:12:16.880 did you think that was the right decision there? 0:12:17.280 --> 0:12:20.720 Well, yeah, lookh Nash walking out one of the boldest, 0:12:20.840 --> 0:12:24.920 fastest finding ever idols, wearing it into you know, that 0:12:24.960 --> 0:12:26.360 was a pretty bold statement. 0:12:26.440 --> 0:12:28.079 He was probably always going to. 0:12:28.040 --> 0:12:31.600 Play it, and it's always sad to see somebody go, 0:12:32.000 --> 0:12:34.400 you know, it's devastating for anybody. 0:12:34.920 --> 0:12:37.679 She was just a byproduct of Nash playing. 0:12:37.400 --> 0:12:39.640 His idol, and sadly she was seen as kind of 0:12:39.679 --> 0:12:41.720 the weakest link. I think, probably because she was just 0:12:42.120 --> 0:12:44.440 one of the little girls and Kate and her. But 0:12:44.480 --> 0:12:48.560 you'll find, you know, people like Kate, her Zara, they 0:12:48.679 --> 0:12:51.120 thrive in the challenges where they can hang off poles 0:12:51.160 --> 0:12:52.880 and you know, support their own body weight and all 0:12:52.880 --> 0:12:55.600 those kinds of things. She would have excelled in those things, 0:12:55.640 --> 0:12:57.440 or she had to climb through ropes and everything. 0:12:57.920 --> 0:12:59.920 It was sad to see her go, It really was. 0:13:00.240 --> 0:13:02.520 And Nash has made some pretty bold booths. I mean, 0:13:02.640 --> 0:13:04.640 I would never have found that idol and want it 0:13:04.640 --> 0:13:06.320 around my neck and carry it on like he did. 0:13:06.360 --> 0:13:08.280 Like I thought that was a choice. That's a real 0:13:08.320 --> 0:13:11.199 decision in your gameplay. Did you think that? Do you 0:13:11.200 --> 0:13:12.840 think that's going to bite him in the ass, because 0:13:12.920 --> 0:13:15.120 what do you think about some of Nash's decisions? And 0:13:15.200 --> 0:13:18.160 if he didn't have that idol, maybe should he be 0:13:18.360 --> 0:13:19.400 the one to go home first. 0:13:19.960 --> 0:13:21.559 I don't know about him needing to be the one 0:13:21.600 --> 0:13:22.560 to go home first. 0:13:22.720 --> 0:13:26.480 I certainly would wouldn't ever tell anybody if I found 0:13:26.520 --> 0:13:29.199 an idol, and PAULI did it last night. I think 0:13:29.200 --> 0:13:31.840 it's always good to keep these things because long and behold, 0:13:32.040 --> 0:13:34.160 you know, and if I tell you, then you'll know. 0:13:34.160 --> 0:13:36.800 Chinese whispers and before you know it, it's everywhere. 0:13:36.880 --> 0:13:39.000 So I think, really it's best to always keep those 0:13:39.040 --> 0:13:42.720 things to yourself unless there's one particular person that you 0:13:42.840 --> 0:13:45.560 think you can really can fight and you can use 0:13:45.640 --> 0:13:46.040 it together. 0:13:46.400 --> 0:13:50.560 But we've seen that it can implode, explode. You just 0:13:50.679 --> 0:13:52.559 never know. It's all about trust and who you can 0:13:52.600 --> 0:13:54.319 and who you can't. But ultimately, at the end of 0:13:54.360 --> 0:13:57.559 the day, everyone always gets stabbed in the back, don't they. 0:13:58.160 --> 0:14:00.320 Is an interesting thing that you've brought up right out, 0:14:00.360 --> 0:14:02.800 because like trust in episode two could have been the 0:14:02.840 --> 0:14:05.760 name of the episode, because what we saw unravel with 0:14:05.840 --> 0:14:10.120 Indy's decisions seemed to be about misguided trust. You know, 0:14:10.240 --> 0:14:13.199 she really could have stayed with her alliance but chose 0:14:13.240 --> 0:14:15.680 to step out of it. It begs me to ask 0:14:15.720 --> 0:14:18.080 the question as to whether or not she should have 0:14:18.760 --> 0:14:21.600 just bit her tongue, you know, and waited, because it 0:14:21.640 --> 0:14:23.240 makes you wonder whether or not in the game of 0:14:23.320 --> 0:14:26.280 survivor do you play in the moment or are you 0:14:26.400 --> 0:14:28.720 playing three steps down the line? Because what's going to 0:14:28.720 --> 0:14:29.440 get you to the end? 0:14:29.760 --> 0:14:30.080 Yeah. 0:14:30.160 --> 0:14:33.240 Look, certainly, if she hadn't have done what she did, 0:14:33.280 --> 0:14:36.400 Miles would have gone home. That was clear, and then 0:14:36.440 --> 0:14:38.560 I would have I would have got what I wanted. 0:14:39.080 --> 0:14:40.960 On the back of Miles telling you when I had 0:14:40.960 --> 0:14:42.360 an idol and telling me I was the first to go. 0:14:42.440 --> 0:14:45.200 I had blinkers on for him, which was probably a 0:14:45.200 --> 0:14:46.680 little bit silly of me. 0:14:47.120 --> 0:14:51.560 But your Indy, Indy imploded, But I understand it until 0:14:51.720 --> 0:14:53.200 until you've played it. 0:14:53.200 --> 0:14:56.480 It's so there's just so much going on, and you know, 0:14:56.800 --> 0:15:01.560 it's always talked about in suburb at the Paranoid. When 0:15:01.600 --> 0:15:04.920 Myles told me, you know, I was actually surprisingly incredibly 0:15:04.920 --> 0:15:05.480 calm when. 0:15:05.320 --> 0:15:07.160 He said my name. But then about an hour later 0:15:07.480 --> 0:15:10.600 it kicked in. I was like, ah, I'll it eats 0:15:10.680 --> 0:15:13.600 your live. It really does. And then you take away 0:15:13.640 --> 0:15:14.320 the food and you. 0:15:14.280 --> 0:15:16.920 Take away the sleep, and all of a sudden it's like, 0:15:17.080 --> 0:15:19.440 oh my god, can I make a decision? 0:15:20.600 --> 0:15:21.600 This is the correct one? 0:15:21.760 --> 0:15:23.680 And then you think you have, and then someone tells 0:15:23.680 --> 0:15:25.160 somebody else and then all of a sudden, the whole 0:15:25.160 --> 0:15:27.000 thing flips on his head. It's like what she said 0:15:27.000 --> 0:15:28.640 that he said that, you know, and then all of 0:15:28.640 --> 0:15:29.640 a sudden, the whole thing flips. 0:15:29.800 --> 0:15:31.920 That's what makes this game so exciting. It's also happening 0:15:32.000 --> 0:15:34.600 so fast in real time, so it's also happening fast 0:15:34.600 --> 0:15:37.440 for the viewer, but in real time it's a lot slower. 0:15:37.720 --> 0:15:40.440 It's interesting with your analogy about the dragon or the 0:15:40.680 --> 0:15:44.080 poison slowly seeping in. I mean that really permeates more 0:15:44.120 --> 0:15:46.520 when you're in real time, because with all that time 0:15:46.520 --> 0:15:48.880 in your head and in your mind you're not making 0:15:49.280 --> 0:15:51.800 decisions as fast as they look on the show. Do 0:15:51.880 --> 0:15:53.680 you think that in some ways you were second guessing 0:15:53.680 --> 0:15:55.280 some of the decisions that you were making. 0:15:55.560 --> 0:15:59.640 Oh, in hindsight, probably the kmmodo dragon bit himself and 0:16:00.720 --> 0:16:03.120 was slowly, slowly kind of eating me alive. 0:16:03.360 --> 0:16:05.840 Yeah, there's a lot of things that you know in hindsight. 0:16:06.200 --> 0:16:08.320 And it's again when you watch, When you watch the 0:16:08.360 --> 0:16:12.560 show and you see what was happening in those conversations 0:16:12.600 --> 0:16:15.680 that were twenty feet away, thirty away, thirty feet away, whatever, 0:16:15.920 --> 0:16:17.840 then you kind of then you get the true picture 0:16:18.240 --> 0:16:21.040 what you think is your reality. 0:16:21.320 --> 0:16:24.200 And everyone's telling you, yes, don't trust me data, don't worry. 0:16:24.200 --> 0:16:25.040 If something's fine. 0:16:25.080 --> 0:16:28.440 It's again, you can you can be the only looking 0:16:28.600 --> 0:16:30.960 you know one hundred and eighty degrees. You can have 0:16:31.000 --> 0:16:33.760 people right behind you that are sticking the knife in 0:16:33.800 --> 0:16:35.040 your back and you just can't. 0:16:34.800 --> 0:16:36.200 See it, you can't feel it. 0:16:36.560 --> 0:16:40.760 You need to be incredibly intuitive, and a few days 0:16:40.760 --> 0:16:44.200 in the ability to do that bades pretty quickly, and 0:16:44.240 --> 0:16:46.000 the people that rise at the top of the people 0:16:46.040 --> 0:16:49.920 that capable of probably going in with the strategy and 0:16:49.960 --> 0:16:54.640 being able to maintain that discipline, that state Miles did 0:16:54.680 --> 0:16:56.680 a great job. I'm just going to I'm just going 0:16:56.760 --> 0:16:59.760 to play it, mister cool and sat there and just 0:17:00.160 --> 0:17:02.640 I mean, credit to the guy. You didn't see me. 0:17:02.720 --> 0:17:04.680 I was brutal on him. I stood in front of him, 0:17:04.720 --> 0:17:06.960 said I accused him of stealing the hat, in front 0:17:06.960 --> 0:17:09.200 of everyone. I know what you're doing. You told everyone 0:17:09.240 --> 0:17:11.639 I found an idol. You told me not one. I 0:17:11.760 --> 0:17:12.800 was full on with him. 0:17:12.880 --> 0:17:15.000 That's probably why they cut so you didn't see it. 0:17:15.080 --> 0:17:17.240