Speaker 1: Why it's Mitchell Mitchia. Now while we enjoy a little
Speaker 1: break over Christmas and New Year's our third wheel, Jenna,
Speaker 1: who's here with us every week, is going to be
Speaker 1: soldiering on as a one woman show. It could be awkward,
Speaker 1: it could be great. Let's see, this is the Jenni Fling.
Speaker 1: Thanks Mitch Cherry and Mitchell Coombs. Anyway, I'm here to
Speaker 1: entertain you for the next couple of weeks. While the
Speaker 1: other two are on break. I get no break because
Speaker 1: I work hardest. But that's how it is. Anyway, today
Speaker 1: I thought we'd kick it off with some round of
Speaker 1: history debating. So if you're unfamiliar with history debating, it's
Speaker 1: basically just debating, but on a history topic. So today
Speaker 1: we thought, well, I thought, because it's my show, that
Speaker 1: we could debate the moon landing. So did it actually
Speaker 1: happen or did it not? Can we? How do I
Speaker 1: use this panel? Let's see, Liz are you there?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: I'm here, Hi, Liz. How are you welcome to the show?
Speaker 2: Thank you, I'm well thanked. How are you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm pretty good. It's pretty good to be controlling
Speaker 1: this whole thing. Oh sorry, that's me with the panel.
Speaker 1: I'm not that great at this, sorry, but you know
Speaker 1: I'll improve. Yeah, well, let me just stop this, okay.
Speaker 1: Cool anyway, So, yes, history Debating today, we're going to
Speaker 1: be debating whether the Moon landing actually happened. So you're
Speaker 1: going to be the affirmative and I'm going to be negative.
Speaker 1: So I'm going to debate that it did not happen.
Speaker 1: So let's do three rounds, so a minute each. We'll
Speaker 1: have the air horn. Let's see the air horn. Let
Speaker 1: me do this. Oh one second, Yes, we've got air
Speaker 1: horn and that will go off once we finish each round.
Speaker 1: It makes sense. It's been a while since I did
Speaker 1: history debating, but I think I think it should be
Speaker 1: brought back, so.
Speaker 2: It should I agree, yes, So.
Speaker 1: We'll start off with you. So let's go here, let's
Speaker 1: do this, and you've got one minute, alrighty.
Speaker 2: So I wanted to start by mentioning something called Nassas RLRLRO,
Speaker 2: which is the Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter, And this has taken
Speaker 2: some high resolution photos of the Moon while it's been
Speaker 2: in low orbit. And in these photos you can see
Speaker 2: debris and abandoned descent modules and the rogures from the
Speaker 2: Apollo mission from July nineteen sixty nine, when Aldrin and
Speaker 2: Strong land on the Moon. On top of this, other
Speaker 2: space crafts from India and China and Japan have also
Speaker 2: taken photos of this debris found on the Moon. So
Speaker 2: if the moon landing was not real, how did these
Speaker 2: things end up on the Moon? And that was my
Speaker 2: first point.
Speaker 1: Wow, yeah, okay, I get what you see, what you're saying,
Speaker 1: but like I personally disagree. So let me start off
Speaker 1: the line. Let's get into this. So you gave some
Speaker 1: points which I didn't find very interesting. They were a
Speaker 1: bit boring, but let's just get on with it. I'm
Speaker 1: going to bring up I'm not going to work on
Speaker 1: what you said because I didn't really understand any of it,
Speaker 1: but I'm going to talk about how there were no
Speaker 1: stars in any of the photos. So Apollo eleven astronauts
Speaker 1: stated in post mission press conferences, but they did not
Speaker 1: remember seeing any stars. But we can we can debate
Speaker 1: that NASA chose not to put the stars into the
Speaker 1: photos because astronomers would have been able to use them
Speaker 1: to determine whether the photos were taken from the Earth
Speaker 1: or Moon by means of identifying them and comparing their
Speaker 1: position and parallax to what would be expected to either
Speaker 1: observation site. And this also brings me to my point.
Speaker 1: There's there are identical backgrounds in photos which were reportedly
Speaker 1: taken miles apart. This suggests that a painted background was used. Yes,
Speaker 1: that's my point, alrighty, yes, now let's throw it back
Speaker 1: to you.
Speaker 2: Okay, I just I see your argument, and I raise you.
Speaker 2: So the argument of the stars not being seen in
Speaker 2: the photos rests on the fact that these may have
Speaker 2: been taken at night. However, I counter your argument by
Speaker 2: saying all manned missions to the Moon took place during
Speaker 2: what would be the daytime if we were on Earth.
Speaker 2: Because they're on the Moon, it's slightly different anyway. But
Speaker 2: this meant that starlight lost the battle against the bright
Speaker 2: surface of the Moon. Therefore, the bright surface of the
Speaker 2: Moon sort of counteracted the stars. Anyway. I'd like to
Speaker 2: also mention that three hundred and eight ChIL drends of
Speaker 2: moon rock is brought back to Earth after the landing,
Speaker 2: and it's been proven by other scientists and specialists not
Speaker 2: associated with America to have not been from Earth. And
Speaker 2: that was my second point.
Speaker 1: Interesting, very very interesting. Some of that I didn't understand. Again,
Speaker 1: but I commend your points, so let's go back to mine.
Speaker 1: Let's bring it on. So you mentioned Soviet Union. I
Speaker 1: think sorry, I wasn't listening to some of it because
Speaker 1: I was very nervous for my point. But motivation for
Speaker 1: the United States to engage the Soviet Union in a
Speaker 1: space race can be traced to the then ongoing Cold War.
Speaker 1: So basically I was thinking, maybe it didn't happen, but
Speaker 1: the US wanted Soviet Union to think it happened. And
Speaker 1: the thing is right, like, there's other things to painting
Speaker 1: that and all that. But the Soviets did not have
Speaker 1: the capability to track deep spacecraft until late in nineteen
Speaker 1: seventy two, immediately after which the last three Apollo missions
Speaker 1: were abruptly canceled, so there was no proof for them
Speaker 1: to see that the US had actually done the space race.
Speaker 1: Won it. Yes, that's my great point. Let me leave.
Speaker 1: I'll do another one because I've got some time as well.
Speaker 1: The flag placed on the surface, it was fluttering right,
Speaker 1: So but the thing is, there's no wind on the Moon,
Speaker 1: so this suggests that it was filmed on Earth, if
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. I rest my case.
Speaker 2: I see, I see very good points made their Jenner.
Speaker 2: I commend you on your efforts.
Speaker 1: Thank you. We'll do should we do one more round
Speaker 1: or not? Oh?
Speaker 2: I think maybe one more round?
Speaker 1: Okay, let's make it a quick, quick thirty seconds round. Okay, Okay,
Speaker 1: your turn.
Speaker 2: I'm going to I'm going to bar to your point
Speaker 2: with the flag rippling in the wind on the Moon
Speaker 2: by saying the flag actually was not fluttering at all.
Speaker 2: So the horizontal rod that holds the current holds the
Speaker 2: flag was unfurled and so just makes it look like
Speaker 2: the wind is stopping it from hanging down. But there
Speaker 2: was a fluttering effect because of the weak gravity on
Speaker 2: the Moon is not strong enough to uncrumple the flag.
Speaker 2: So wow, it's not technically there's no wind, it's just
Speaker 2: very weak gravity that was making it move. Therefore, you know,
Speaker 2: face physics.
Speaker 1: Times up. My turn. Okay, Yes, you've got a point there.
Speaker 1: I must give it to you there. Okay, But I'm
Speaker 1: going to finish on my final point with a strong
Speaker 1: one because I like conspiracy theories. I'm going to go
Speaker 1: on to talk about Stanley Cubrick. Right, So he's accused
Speaker 1: of having produced much of the footage right, presumably because
Speaker 1: he had just directed two thousand and one, a space
Speaker 1: odyssey which I have not seen, but apparently it was
Speaker 1: partly set on the Moon and featured special effects, and
Speaker 1: apparently Cubic attempts it to confess to his part of
Speaker 1: the deception by having Danny, the son of Jack Nicholson
Speaker 1: in the shining wearing Apollo will even't sweat up. Wow,
Speaker 1: that was my final point. It was very visual.
Speaker 2: But yes, I see, I could picture it myself as
Speaker 2: you were explaining it, so yes, it was very visual.
Speaker 1: I agree with you, Thank you so much. I believe
Speaker 1: that we debated very well.
Speaker 2: A worthy opponent, yes, absolutely.
Speaker 1: I mean, as I said before, I didn't understand a
Speaker 1: lot of the stuff you were talking about because astronomy
Speaker 1: isn't my strong suit. But I valued your points.
Speaker 2: Thank you. I valued your points as well.
Speaker 1: Thank you so much. But it's now my time to
Speaker 1: decide on who will win. Will it be Liz or Jenny.
Speaker 1: It's a tough one because both gave great points. I'm
Speaker 1: going to give it. It's a tie. It's a tie.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, it's a time. Yes, I was initially going
Speaker 1: to say that I would win that was what I
Speaker 1: thought at the beginning, but when you gave your points,
Speaker 1: I had to Yeah, I had to make it a tie.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry.
Speaker 2: Oh, thank you. Thank you for your consideration. I very
Speaker 2: much appreciate it.
Speaker 1: No problem, and thank you so much for joining me
Speaker 1: on the show.
Speaker 2: It's okay. Thank you for inviting me on. I had
Speaker 2: a fantastic time. It was lovely speaking with you.
Speaker 1: I'm so glad. I love debating with you too, and
Speaker 1: I hope you have a great way. I know I should,
Speaker 1: I should take over, Yes, you should.
Speaker 2: Thank Orry Cherry. Sorry, I'm on the jettou start here.
Speaker 1: Thanks Liz.
Speaker 2: That's so crazy.
Speaker 1: Oops, oops, it easy anyway, that was history debating with me.
Speaker 1: I hope you all enjoyed it. But I hope this
Speaker 1: podcast made you seventy three percent better because it sure
Speaker 1: made me feel better, especially debating with Liz. So I
Speaker 1: will play my birth music from the year sixteen thirty
Speaker 1: three to conclude the first episode. Yes, this is unedited
Speaker 1: as well, So this is all honest, yes and true.
Speaker 1: So goodbye, farewell, and I see you next week. Welcome
Speaker 1: to add brief to me again, Jenny. I hope you
Speaker 1: have a great week. There's a lot to discuss, but
Speaker 1: also a lot. Oh, we've got a tweet. We've got
Speaker 1: a tweet. It's from Oh No, sorry I can't open
Speaker 1: Twitter anyway. Have a great time week, See you next week.
Speaker 1: That's the end of add brief. How do I turn
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