WEBVTT - Jenna Fling 1 - History Debating

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<v Speaker 1>Why it's Mitchell Mitchia. Now while we enjoy a little

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<v Speaker 1>break over Christmas and New Year's our third wheel, Jenna,

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<v Speaker 1>who's here with us every week, is going to be

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<v Speaker 1>soldiering on as a one woman show. It could be awkward,

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<v Speaker 1>it could be great. Let's see, this is the Jenni Fling.

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<v Speaker 1>Thanks Mitch Cherry and Mitchell Coombs. Anyway, I'm here to

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<v Speaker 1>entertain you for the next couple of weeks. While the

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<v Speaker 1>other two are on break. I get no break because

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<v Speaker 1>I work hardest. But that's how it is. Anyway, today

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<v Speaker 1>I thought we'd kick it off with some round of

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<v Speaker 1>history debating. So if you're unfamiliar with history debating, it's

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<v Speaker 1>basically just debating, but on a history topic. So today

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<v Speaker 1>we thought, well, I thought, because it's my show, that

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<v Speaker 1>we could debate the moon landing. So did it actually

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<v Speaker 1>happen or did it not? Can we? How do I

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<v Speaker 1>use this panel? Let's see, Liz are you there?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>I'm here, Hi, Liz. How are you welcome to the show?

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you, I'm well thanked. How are you.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I'm pretty good. It's pretty good to be controlling

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<v Speaker 1>this whole thing. Oh sorry, that's me with the panel.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not that great at this, sorry, but you know

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<v Speaker 1>I'll improve. Yeah, well, let me just stop this, okay.

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<v Speaker 1>Cool anyway, So, yes, history Debating today, we're going to

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<v Speaker 1>be debating whether the Moon landing actually happened. So you're

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<v Speaker 1>going to be the affirmative and I'm going to be negative.

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<v Speaker 1>So I'm going to debate that it did not happen.

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<v Speaker 1>So let's do three rounds, so a minute each. We'll

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<v Speaker 1>have the air horn. Let's see the air horn. Let

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<v Speaker 1>me do this. Oh one second, Yes, we've got air

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<v Speaker 1>horn and that will go off once we finish each round.

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<v Speaker 1>It makes sense. It's been a while since I did

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<v Speaker 1>history debating, but I think I think it should be

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<v Speaker 1>brought back, so.

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<v Speaker 2>It should I agree, yes, So.

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<v Speaker 1>We'll start off with you. So let's go here, let's

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<v Speaker 1>do this, and you've got one minute, alrighty.

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<v Speaker 2>So I wanted to start by mentioning something called Nassas RLRLRO,

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<v Speaker 2>which is the Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter, And this has taken

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<v Speaker 2>some high resolution photos of the Moon while it's been

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<v Speaker 2>in low orbit. And in these photos you can see

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<v Speaker 2>debris and abandoned descent modules and the rogures from the

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<v Speaker 2>Apollo mission from July nineteen sixty nine, when Aldrin and

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<v Speaker 2>Strong land on the Moon. On top of this, other

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<v Speaker 2>space crafts from India and China and Japan have also

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<v Speaker 2>taken photos of this debris found on the Moon. So

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<v Speaker 2>if the moon landing was not real, how did these

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<v Speaker 2>things end up on the Moon? And that was my

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<v Speaker 2>first point.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow, yeah, okay, I get what you see, what you're saying,

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<v Speaker 1>but like I personally disagree. So let me start off

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<v Speaker 1>the line. Let's get into this. So you gave some

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<v Speaker 1>points which I didn't find very interesting. They were a

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<v Speaker 1>bit boring, but let's just get on with it. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>going to bring up I'm not going to work on

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<v Speaker 1>what you said because I didn't really understand any of it,

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<v Speaker 1>but I'm going to talk about how there were no

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<v Speaker 1>stars in any of the photos. So Apollo eleven astronauts

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<v Speaker 1>stated in post mission press conferences, but they did not

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<v Speaker 1>remember seeing any stars. But we can we can debate

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<v Speaker 1>that NASA chose not to put the stars into the

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<v Speaker 1>photos because astronomers would have been able to use them

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<v Speaker 1>to determine whether the photos were taken from the Earth

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<v Speaker 1>or Moon by means of identifying them and comparing their

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<v Speaker 1>position and parallax to what would be expected to either

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<v Speaker 1>observation site. And this also brings me to my point.

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<v Speaker 1>There's there are identical backgrounds in photos which were reportedly

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<v Speaker 1>taken miles apart. This suggests that a painted background was used. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>that's my point, alrighty, yes, now let's throw it back

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<v Speaker 1>to you.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, I just I see your argument, and I raise you.

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<v Speaker 2>So the argument of the stars not being seen in

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<v Speaker 2>the photos rests on the fact that these may have

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<v Speaker 2>been taken at night. However, I counter your argument by

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<v Speaker 2>saying all manned missions to the Moon took place during

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<v Speaker 2>what would be the daytime if we were on Earth.

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<v Speaker 2>Because they're on the Moon, it's slightly different anyway. But

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<v Speaker 2>this meant that starlight lost the battle against the bright

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<v Speaker 2>surface of the Moon. Therefore, the bright surface of the

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<v Speaker 2>Moon sort of counteracted the stars. Anyway. I'd like to

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<v Speaker 2>also mention that three hundred and eight ChIL drends of

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<v Speaker 2>moon rock is brought back to Earth after the landing,

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<v Speaker 2>and it's been proven by other scientists and specialists not

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<v Speaker 2>associated with America to have not been from Earth. And

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<v Speaker 2>that was my second point.

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<v Speaker 1>Interesting, very very interesting. Some of that I didn't understand. Again,

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<v Speaker 1>but I commend your points, so let's go back to mine.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's bring it on. So you mentioned Soviet Union. I

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<v Speaker 1>think sorry, I wasn't listening to some of it because

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<v Speaker 1>I was very nervous for my point. But motivation for

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<v Speaker 1>the United States to engage the Soviet Union in a

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<v Speaker 1>space race can be traced to the then ongoing Cold War.

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<v Speaker 1>So basically I was thinking, maybe it didn't happen, but

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<v Speaker 1>the US wanted Soviet Union to think it happened. And

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<v Speaker 1>the thing is right, like, there's other things to painting

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<v Speaker 1>that and all that. But the Soviets did not have

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<v Speaker 1>the capability to track deep spacecraft until late in nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>seventy two, immediately after which the last three Apollo missions

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<v Speaker 1>were abruptly canceled, so there was no proof for them

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<v Speaker 1>to see that the US had actually done the space race.

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<v Speaker 1>Won it. Yes, that's my great point. Let me leave.

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<v Speaker 1>I'll do another one because I've got some time as well.

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<v Speaker 1>The flag placed on the surface, it was fluttering right,

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<v Speaker 1>So but the thing is, there's no wind on the Moon,

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<v Speaker 1>so this suggests that it was filmed on Earth, if

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<v Speaker 1>you know what I mean. I rest my case.

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<v Speaker 2>I see, I see very good points made their Jenner.

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<v Speaker 2>I commend you on your efforts.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you. We'll do should we do one more round

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<v Speaker 1>or not? Oh?

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<v Speaker 2>I think maybe one more round?

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, let's make it a quick, quick thirty seconds round. Okay, Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>your turn.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm going to I'm going to bar to your point

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<v Speaker 2>with the flag rippling in the wind on the Moon

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<v Speaker 2>by saying the flag actually was not fluttering at all.

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<v Speaker 2>So the horizontal rod that holds the current holds the

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<v Speaker 2>flag was unfurled and so just makes it look like

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<v Speaker 2>the wind is stopping it from hanging down. But there

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<v Speaker 2>was a fluttering effect because of the weak gravity on

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<v Speaker 2>the Moon is not strong enough to uncrumple the flag.

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<v Speaker 2>So wow, it's not technically there's no wind, it's just

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<v Speaker 2>very weak gravity that was making it move. Therefore, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>face physics.

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<v Speaker 1>Times up. My turn. Okay, Yes, you've got a point there.

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<v Speaker 1>I must give it to you there. Okay, But I'm

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<v Speaker 1>going to finish on my final point with a strong

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<v Speaker 1>one because I like conspiracy theories. I'm going to go

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<v Speaker 1>on to talk about Stanley Cubrick. Right, So he's accused

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<v Speaker 1>of having produced much of the footage right, presumably because

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<v Speaker 1>he had just directed two thousand and one, a space

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<v Speaker 1>odyssey which I have not seen, but apparently it was

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<v Speaker 1>partly set on the Moon and featured special effects, and

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<v Speaker 1>apparently Cubic attempts it to confess to his part of

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<v Speaker 1>the deception by having Danny, the son of Jack Nicholson

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<v Speaker 1>in the shining wearing Apollo will even't sweat up. Wow,

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<v Speaker 1>that was my final point. It was very visual.

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<v Speaker 2>But yes, I see, I could picture it myself as

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<v Speaker 2>you were explaining it, so yes, it was very visual.

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<v Speaker 1>I agree with you, Thank you so much. I believe

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<v Speaker 1>that we debated very well.

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<v Speaker 2>A worthy opponent, yes, absolutely.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, as I said before, I didn't understand a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of the stuff you were talking about because astronomy

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<v Speaker 1>isn't my strong suit. But I valued your points.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you. I valued your points as well.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you so much. But it's now my time to

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<v Speaker 1>decide on who will win. Will it be Liz or Jenny.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a tough one because both gave great points. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>going to give it. It's a tie. It's a tie.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sorry, it's a time. Yes, I was initially going

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<v Speaker 1>to say that I would win that was what I

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<v Speaker 1>thought at the beginning, but when you gave your points,

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<v Speaker 1>I had to Yeah, I had to make it a tie.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sorry.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, thank you. Thank you for your consideration. I very

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<v Speaker 2>much appreciate it.

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<v Speaker 1>No problem, and thank you so much for joining me

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<v Speaker 1>on the show.

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<v Speaker 2>It's okay. Thank you for inviting me on. I had

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<v Speaker 2>a fantastic time. It was lovely speaking with you.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm so glad. I love debating with you too, and

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<v Speaker 1>I hope you have a great way. I know I should,

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<v Speaker 1>I should take over, Yes, you should.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank Orry Cherry. Sorry, I'm on the jettou start here.

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<v Speaker 1>Thanks Liz.

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<v Speaker 2>That's so crazy.

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<v Speaker 1>Oops, oops, it easy anyway, that was history debating with me.

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<v Speaker 1>I hope you all enjoyed it. But I hope this

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<v Speaker 1>podcast made you seventy three percent better because it sure

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<v Speaker 1>made me feel better, especially debating with Liz. So I

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<v Speaker 1>will play my birth music from the year sixteen thirty

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<v Speaker 1>three to conclude the first episode. Yes, this is unedited

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<v Speaker 1>as well, So this is all honest, yes and true.

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<v Speaker 1>So goodbye, farewell, and I see you next week. Welcome

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<v Speaker 1>to add brief to me again, Jenny. I hope you

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<v Speaker 1>have a great week. There's a lot to discuss, but

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<v Speaker 1>also a lot. Oh, we've got a tweet. We've got

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<v Speaker 1>a tweet. It's from Oh No, sorry I can't open

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<v Speaker 1>Twitter anyway. Have a great time week, See you next week.

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<v Speaker 1>That's the end of add brief. How do I turn

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<v Speaker 1>this off now,