1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:02,599 Speaker 1: Feel the fear and do it anyway, because I feel 2 00:00:02,640 --> 00:00:04,920 Speaker 1: like even when I reflect back to my first day 3 00:00:05,240 --> 00:00:07,720 Speaker 1: in my grad job, I remember getting a job at 4 00:00:07,720 --> 00:00:10,479 Speaker 1: a magazine when I wasn't even qualified, I had no experience, 5 00:00:10,480 --> 00:00:12,240 Speaker 1: I was fresh from UNI, and I remember being so 6 00:00:12,320 --> 00:00:14,800 Speaker 1: overwhelmed in the morning that I cried in the bathroom 7 00:00:14,800 --> 00:00:16,680 Speaker 1: before I went into the officers. Thatout my first day 8 00:00:16,720 --> 00:00:18,880 Speaker 1: because I thought it was like that imposter syndrome thing, 9 00:00:18,880 --> 00:00:19,920 Speaker 1: and you're like, how did I get here? 10 00:00:19,920 --> 00:00:21,560 Speaker 2: I don't observe to be here. There are many other 11 00:00:21,600 --> 00:00:22,720 Speaker 2: girls who could do this job. 12 00:00:22,880 --> 00:00:26,120 Speaker 1: But I think that if you're scared, that means you're 13 00:00:26,160 --> 00:00:28,960 Speaker 1: probably in the right place. And I think that there 14 00:00:29,040 --> 00:00:31,640 Speaker 1: is such a sense of accomplishment once you move past 15 00:00:31,640 --> 00:00:33,800 Speaker 1: that scared thought. And I think that instead of letting 16 00:00:33,840 --> 00:00:37,479 Speaker 1: fear take over, kind of flip it and be excited 17 00:00:38,040 --> 00:00:41,440 Speaker 1: at the huge opportunity that you have in front of 18 00:00:41,479 --> 00:00:43,839 Speaker 1: you to create, like an epic. 19 00:00:43,560 --> 00:00:54,240 Speaker 3: Life was gone. 20 00:00:56,080 --> 00:01:01,440 Speaker 4: Finally, make hello and welcome back to the Rise and 21 00:01:01,480 --> 00:01:05,039 Speaker 4: Conquer podcast. This is the podcast for Mike Girl Gang 22 00:01:05,120 --> 00:01:07,760 Speaker 4: who want to take control of their lives, gain the 23 00:01:07,760 --> 00:01:11,800 Speaker 4: confidence to live unapologetically, and for those who are ready 24 00:01:11,840 --> 00:01:14,959 Speaker 4: to make their biggest dreams their reality. I'm your host, 25 00:01:15,000 --> 00:01:19,360 Speaker 4: Georgie Stevenson. In today's episode, we are sitting down with 26 00:01:19,600 --> 00:01:23,600 Speaker 4: Phoebe Parsons or Many of you may know her as 27 00:01:23,720 --> 00:01:28,000 Speaker 4: the voice behind Confessions of a train Wreck podcast. Phoebe 28 00:01:28,040 --> 00:01:31,280 Speaker 4: calls herself a slashy because like many of us, she 29 00:01:31,520 --> 00:01:35,160 Speaker 4: has lots of things going on at once. She's the 30 00:01:35,200 --> 00:01:39,880 Speaker 4: host of the very funny and very real podcast Confessions 31 00:01:39,880 --> 00:01:43,520 Speaker 4: of a train Wreck. She's a pr slash comms manager 32 00:01:43,959 --> 00:01:47,400 Speaker 4: and has been a radio host. So in our chat today, 33 00:01:47,480 --> 00:01:51,640 Speaker 4: we dive deep into so many good topics. We chat 34 00:01:51,680 --> 00:01:55,760 Speaker 4: about abolishing timelines that a society has set up for us. 35 00:01:56,120 --> 00:02:00,960 Speaker 4: Phoebe chats about her podcasts and how COVID really got 36 00:02:01,000 --> 00:02:04,240 Speaker 4: in the way of her twenty twenty plans. She chats 37 00:02:04,280 --> 00:02:07,920 Speaker 4: about what she's focusing on now and also opens up 38 00:02:07,960 --> 00:02:13,160 Speaker 4: with her struggle with anxiety. Phoebe is honestly hilarious and 39 00:02:13,200 --> 00:02:16,760 Speaker 4: she's a breath of fresh air and so relatable. You 40 00:02:16,800 --> 00:02:20,120 Speaker 4: can tell in this podcast that we love to have 41 00:02:20,639 --> 00:02:24,119 Speaker 4: a chat together. We are in person, so the audio 42 00:02:24,840 --> 00:02:29,760 Speaker 4: might be a little bit like squeaky and a bit staticky, 43 00:02:29,960 --> 00:02:32,480 Speaker 4: just because we were sitting close to each other in 44 00:02:32,560 --> 00:02:36,320 Speaker 4: my office at times. But bear with us because this 45 00:02:36,400 --> 00:02:40,280 Speaker 4: episode is a goody. Phoebe, welcome to the Rise and 46 00:02:40,320 --> 00:02:41,200 Speaker 4: Conquer podcast. 47 00:02:41,360 --> 00:02:42,600 Speaker 2: Thank you so much for having me. 48 00:02:42,919 --> 00:02:46,480 Speaker 4: Of course, guys, Phoebe came over this morning. We got 49 00:02:46,480 --> 00:02:50,680 Speaker 4: in a cyebowl. I've recorded an app on her podcast, 50 00:02:50,880 --> 00:02:53,040 Speaker 4: which if it's out, I'll link it in the show notes. 51 00:02:53,520 --> 00:02:55,280 Speaker 2: And we're just having a bit of fun and bit 52 00:02:55,320 --> 00:02:57,440 Speaker 2: of a laugh. We've had a very productive day. 53 00:02:57,639 --> 00:02:59,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, and because you said that you did some work 54 00:02:59,200 --> 00:03:01,160 Speaker 1: before you came to the small Yeah, did you go 55 00:03:01,200 --> 00:03:01,919 Speaker 1: to the gym this morning? 56 00:03:02,120 --> 00:03:03,720 Speaker 2: No? No, you went to the gym. I went to 57 00:03:03,760 --> 00:03:05,240 Speaker 2: the gym. I did a little bit of work this morning. 58 00:03:05,240 --> 00:03:05,839 Speaker 2: And here we are. 59 00:03:06,080 --> 00:03:08,679 Speaker 4: I plan I plan to go for a beach walk 60 00:03:08,720 --> 00:03:09,280 Speaker 4: when you leave. 61 00:03:10,240 --> 00:03:12,359 Speaker 2: So that's the best way level of just saying that too. 62 00:03:12,480 --> 00:03:16,920 Speaker 4: It's lovely, so Phoebe, Before we get into the good stuff. 63 00:03:17,400 --> 00:03:20,280 Speaker 4: Our question that I'm asking all my Season three guests 64 00:03:20,720 --> 00:03:25,680 Speaker 4: is what is one non negotiable ritual that you do 65 00:03:25,880 --> 00:03:29,760 Speaker 4: daily that really helps you step into your power? 66 00:03:31,160 --> 00:03:35,080 Speaker 1: For me, as cliches this might sound, it is exercise. 67 00:03:35,600 --> 00:03:38,920 Speaker 1: And I honestly my non negotiable start to my day 68 00:03:39,240 --> 00:03:41,000 Speaker 1: is an forty five class. 69 00:03:41,080 --> 00:03:42,920 Speaker 2: I just love. I've always said that. 70 00:03:43,280 --> 00:03:46,280 Speaker 1: I've never been into yoga or like meditation or anything 71 00:03:46,360 --> 00:03:49,120 Speaker 1: like that, but I find that's when I'm the most 72 00:03:49,200 --> 00:03:51,840 Speaker 1: present in my day. Is honestly, it's like my favorite 73 00:03:51,880 --> 00:03:53,640 Speaker 1: part of my days going to the gym, and I 74 00:03:53,640 --> 00:03:55,040 Speaker 1: feel like if I don't do it first thing in 75 00:03:55,080 --> 00:03:57,680 Speaker 1: the morning, I feel really lethargic for the rest of 76 00:03:57,720 --> 00:03:59,760 Speaker 1: the day and I feel like I'm not ready yet 77 00:03:59,800 --> 00:04:02,080 Speaker 1: any This morning, I didn't want to go this morning. 78 00:04:02,120 --> 00:04:04,200 Speaker 2: When I got off, my boyfriend was like, you. 79 00:04:04,120 --> 00:04:06,160 Speaker 1: Will be in such a bad mood if you don't go. 80 00:04:06,280 --> 00:04:08,040 Speaker 1: You'll feel so much better after you go, and I 81 00:04:08,080 --> 00:04:09,160 Speaker 1: was like, that's right. 82 00:04:09,720 --> 00:04:11,880 Speaker 2: I will, And so then I went and I was like, 83 00:04:11,960 --> 00:04:14,720 Speaker 2: that's right. I love the feeling. I love pushing yourself 84 00:04:14,760 --> 00:04:15,400 Speaker 2: as hard as you can. 85 00:04:15,720 --> 00:04:18,760 Speaker 1: And a lot of people, I think sometimes wrongly misconstruy 86 00:04:18,800 --> 00:04:20,560 Speaker 1: the reasons why you go to the gym, and it's 87 00:04:20,560 --> 00:04:21,760 Speaker 1: actually not for aesthetics. 88 00:04:21,800 --> 00:04:23,320 Speaker 2: It's for my head. 89 00:04:23,480 --> 00:04:27,320 Speaker 4: A hundred a hundred percent. And no, that is not 90 00:04:27,400 --> 00:04:30,160 Speaker 4: cliche at all, because that is something I would definitely 91 00:04:30,200 --> 00:04:33,560 Speaker 4: say true and I think it really sets a tone 92 00:04:33,839 --> 00:04:35,919 Speaker 4: for the rest of the day when you just like 93 00:04:36,080 --> 00:04:39,680 Speaker 4: get up and do something. And for me, exercises really 94 00:04:40,160 --> 00:04:42,960 Speaker 4: like an act of self care because it sets the 95 00:04:42,960 --> 00:04:45,680 Speaker 4: tone for the day and it really yeah, helps me 96 00:04:45,760 --> 00:04:46,919 Speaker 4: get into that mindset. 97 00:04:46,960 --> 00:04:48,560 Speaker 1: And it's also one of the very few times in 98 00:04:48,640 --> 00:04:51,000 Speaker 1: your day that you're by yourself and you're doing something 99 00:04:51,040 --> 00:04:55,520 Speaker 1: without your phone, without emails, without the distraction of something else, not. 100 00:04:55,520 --> 00:04:58,520 Speaker 4: Having to think about, you know, work and that different 101 00:04:58,560 --> 00:04:59,080 Speaker 4: sort of stuff. 102 00:04:59,120 --> 00:05:01,000 Speaker 1: You're also walking the water, like I know that you 103 00:05:01,040 --> 00:05:02,800 Speaker 1: do beach walks most days, and because I live in 104 00:05:02,839 --> 00:05:05,560 Speaker 1: Brisbane in just intener reef, I live on the river 105 00:05:05,680 --> 00:05:08,320 Speaker 1: and I just love It's not for any other reason, 106 00:05:08,360 --> 00:05:08,800 Speaker 1: it's not. 107 00:05:08,720 --> 00:05:09,640 Speaker 2: For steps or anything. 108 00:05:09,640 --> 00:05:12,160 Speaker 1: It's literally just there's something so cathartic. I think about 109 00:05:12,160 --> 00:05:12,960 Speaker 1: walking near water. 110 00:05:13,320 --> 00:05:14,000 Speaker 2: Oh my god. 111 00:05:14,200 --> 00:05:17,719 Speaker 4: Yes, it's funny because I tell the listeners quite often. 112 00:05:17,839 --> 00:05:20,159 Speaker 4: Is like when I was like manifesting moving to the beach, 113 00:05:20,560 --> 00:05:23,200 Speaker 4: I would walk in Holland Park, which was a near water, 114 00:05:23,560 --> 00:05:27,279 Speaker 4: but I would have like beach sounds on and really yeah, 115 00:05:27,320 --> 00:05:29,960 Speaker 4: and it was so calming. So one hundred percent I'm 116 00:05:29,960 --> 00:05:30,200 Speaker 4: with you. 117 00:05:30,320 --> 00:05:32,320 Speaker 1: I thought you were going to say something else, like 118 00:05:32,640 --> 00:05:35,720 Speaker 1: I'd carry a bucket of water with me when I through. 119 00:05:37,200 --> 00:05:41,479 Speaker 4: No, not that crazy, okay, So Phoebe, So for the 120 00:05:41,520 --> 00:05:44,680 Speaker 4: people who do not know you, can you tell us 121 00:05:44,760 --> 00:05:48,120 Speaker 4: a little bit of who you are and what you do? 122 00:05:48,600 --> 00:05:50,640 Speaker 2: Sure? My name is Phoebe. 123 00:05:51,040 --> 00:05:54,760 Speaker 1: I'm thirty years old and I am like the ultimate slashy. 124 00:05:54,920 --> 00:05:57,039 Speaker 1: I feel like it's very rare to meet people now 125 00:05:57,080 --> 00:05:58,080 Speaker 1: who have one job. 126 00:05:58,320 --> 00:06:00,599 Speaker 2: Don't you find one hundred percent? And someone asks you 127 00:06:00,640 --> 00:06:01,719 Speaker 2: what you do? What do you do? We will do 128 00:06:01,720 --> 00:06:02,400 Speaker 2: a hundred things. 129 00:06:02,520 --> 00:06:03,120 Speaker 4: I love it. 130 00:06:03,240 --> 00:06:07,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, Like I am a peer and comms manager, a 131 00:06:07,800 --> 00:06:09,719 Speaker 1: radio host, a podcaster. 132 00:06:10,440 --> 00:06:12,280 Speaker 2: Well that's kind of it. It's just so streaching. 133 00:06:12,680 --> 00:06:14,040 Speaker 4: Well I thought there was gonna be more than that. 134 00:06:14,080 --> 00:06:18,000 Speaker 2: I was gonna say, like wife, mother, No, neither of 135 00:06:18,040 --> 00:06:18,599 Speaker 2: those things. 136 00:06:19,120 --> 00:06:19,240 Speaker 1: One. 137 00:06:19,240 --> 00:06:21,720 Speaker 2: I'm not that I'm trying to be a dog mum. 138 00:06:21,760 --> 00:06:23,919 Speaker 2: But I live in an apartment. I just think it's mean, No, 139 00:06:24,000 --> 00:06:25,520 Speaker 2: you just got to get one of my little dogs. 140 00:06:25,560 --> 00:06:28,719 Speaker 4: I know they're perfect little and then that's like their 141 00:06:28,880 --> 00:06:30,320 Speaker 4: dream live. Yeah, like they would love that. 142 00:06:30,400 --> 00:06:33,840 Speaker 1: Also, Italian greyhounds apparently are very good apartment dogs because 143 00:06:33,880 --> 00:06:36,000 Speaker 1: they're not very active. They sleep for like twenty three 144 00:06:36,040 --> 00:06:36,839 Speaker 1: hours a day. 145 00:06:37,120 --> 00:06:40,920 Speaker 4: Do Are they not active? No, that's interesting. I do 146 00:06:41,080 --> 00:06:45,480 Speaker 4: like them. Also that brand, they're very beautiful. Okay, amazing, 147 00:06:45,560 --> 00:06:49,960 Speaker 4: So yes, a slashy you do lots of things. Can 148 00:06:50,040 --> 00:06:54,680 Speaker 4: we talk about your podcast? So I know that you've 149 00:06:54,720 --> 00:06:58,200 Speaker 4: been working in PR and communications. Can you tell us 150 00:06:58,200 --> 00:07:01,120 Speaker 4: a little bit about how, first of all, you got 151 00:07:01,160 --> 00:07:03,360 Speaker 4: into podcasting because it's a bit of an interesting one. 152 00:07:03,480 --> 00:07:04,880 Speaker 2: It is a very interesting story. 153 00:07:04,960 --> 00:07:08,479 Speaker 1: So my podcast is called Confessions of a train Wreck 154 00:07:08,680 --> 00:07:13,120 Speaker 1: And I had never thought about doing a podcast before 155 00:07:13,160 --> 00:07:15,400 Speaker 1: I started my own. And I've actually always first and 156 00:07:15,520 --> 00:07:17,720 Speaker 1: foremost identified as a writer because I did work as 157 00:07:17,720 --> 00:07:19,520 Speaker 1: a journalist for a very long period of time, and 158 00:07:19,560 --> 00:07:22,720 Speaker 1: writing is like my favorite kind of outlet. And I 159 00:07:22,720 --> 00:07:24,880 Speaker 1: had started to write a book about what a train 160 00:07:24,960 --> 00:07:27,480 Speaker 1: wreck my life was, and I guess it was like 161 00:07:27,560 --> 00:07:32,679 Speaker 1: the ultimate case of art intimidating life. No, art imitating life, 162 00:07:32,680 --> 00:07:35,840 Speaker 1: not intimidating life. Because the USB that I was writing 163 00:07:35,880 --> 00:07:38,200 Speaker 1: that book on snapped in half one day and I 164 00:07:38,240 --> 00:07:40,720 Speaker 1: hadn't backed it up anywhere else and there was probably 165 00:07:40,760 --> 00:07:43,440 Speaker 1: a good like thirty thousand words that just got lost 166 00:07:43,480 --> 00:07:44,120 Speaker 1: on that USB. 167 00:07:45,360 --> 00:07:48,760 Speaker 2: I haven't heard that a lot of people have. Yeah, 168 00:07:48,800 --> 00:07:52,240 Speaker 2: and I was obviously devastated. I remember snap. 169 00:07:52,840 --> 00:07:54,800 Speaker 1: I think it was just like loose in my handbag 170 00:07:54,880 --> 00:07:57,800 Speaker 1: or something. I'm not very not very good at keeping 171 00:07:57,840 --> 00:07:59,200 Speaker 1: stuff me neither. 172 00:07:59,320 --> 00:08:00,760 Speaker 2: I just like dropped everything and. 173 00:08:00,760 --> 00:08:04,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, smashed my friend screens for days, you know. So 174 00:08:04,400 --> 00:08:06,280 Speaker 1: I remember my best friend coming over and I was 175 00:08:06,320 --> 00:08:08,640 Speaker 1: like in the depths of despair, like lying on my 176 00:08:08,680 --> 00:08:10,320 Speaker 1: bedroom floor, sobbing, and. 177 00:08:10,280 --> 00:08:12,840 Speaker 2: I was like, I hate my job, I hate everything. 178 00:08:12,880 --> 00:08:13,640 Speaker 2: What am I going to do? 179 00:08:13,720 --> 00:08:16,160 Speaker 1: This book like idea just snapped in half in front 180 00:08:16,200 --> 00:08:17,920 Speaker 1: of me. And then we got on the internet and 181 00:08:18,000 --> 00:08:20,320 Speaker 1: we went on like Pedestrian, you know, they had the 182 00:08:20,400 --> 00:08:22,960 Speaker 1: job section on Pedestrian, and there was an ad for 183 00:08:23,360 --> 00:08:28,000 Speaker 1: Nova Entertainment. We're doing a competition for up and coming 184 00:08:28,400 --> 00:08:32,520 Speaker 1: podcasters and I was like, oh, I had just started 185 00:08:32,559 --> 00:08:35,160 Speaker 1: listening to podcasts at the time that I had never 186 00:08:35,200 --> 00:08:36,840 Speaker 1: thought to make one of my own. And because I 187 00:08:36,840 --> 00:08:39,440 Speaker 1: did a broadcast journalism degree, I had done radio and 188 00:08:39,440 --> 00:08:42,360 Speaker 1: stuff before, and I feel like the audio format is 189 00:08:42,400 --> 00:08:45,120 Speaker 1: a very I don't know, it's just a fun kind 190 00:08:45,120 --> 00:08:45,760 Speaker 1: of fun format. 191 00:08:45,760 --> 00:08:47,080 Speaker 2: And I was like, I'm gonna do this. 192 00:08:47,840 --> 00:08:50,559 Speaker 1: And I just got one of my friends who was 193 00:08:50,559 --> 00:08:52,680 Speaker 1: an accountor at the time too, I had this idea 194 00:08:54,000 --> 00:08:55,800 Speaker 1: to kind of dissect the areas of my life that 195 00:08:55,840 --> 00:08:58,000 Speaker 1: I really can't do well, which which is most of them, 196 00:08:58,040 --> 00:09:00,000 Speaker 1: to be honest, but like one of them. At the time, 197 00:09:00,000 --> 00:09:01,760 Speaker 1: I hadn't had a tax return in six years. So 198 00:09:01,760 --> 00:09:03,760 Speaker 1: I got an accountant and I wanted to interview him 199 00:09:04,160 --> 00:09:06,280 Speaker 1: about turning my so my whole shtick kids turned my 200 00:09:06,280 --> 00:09:08,360 Speaker 1: meth into my message, which is basically the subline of 201 00:09:08,360 --> 00:09:12,560 Speaker 1: my podcast. So I interviewed him about my six years 202 00:09:12,600 --> 00:09:15,679 Speaker 1: of not doing a tax return, entered it. Somehow I 203 00:09:15,720 --> 00:09:18,240 Speaker 1: won the competition, which I still don't really understand how 204 00:09:18,280 --> 00:09:20,600 Speaker 1: that happened, and then the prize was a little bit 205 00:09:20,600 --> 00:09:24,280 Speaker 1: of money and five produced episodes, and I did the 206 00:09:24,280 --> 00:09:27,679 Speaker 1: five episodes not really thinking anything of it, and I thought, oh, well, 207 00:09:27,679 --> 00:09:29,240 Speaker 1: this is just a fun thing I can talk about. 208 00:09:29,320 --> 00:09:30,200 Speaker 2: I can say I've done it. 209 00:09:30,880 --> 00:09:33,080 Speaker 1: And then I was on a girl's weekend at the 210 00:09:33,080 --> 00:09:35,679 Speaker 1: Gold Coast and I got an email from Nova that said, 211 00:09:35,720 --> 00:09:37,880 Speaker 1: do you know that your podcast is number twenty six 212 00:09:37,960 --> 00:09:39,560 Speaker 1: in Australia on iTunes right now? 213 00:09:39,679 --> 00:09:42,800 Speaker 2: And I was like, what, how did this happen? 214 00:09:42,840 --> 00:09:44,280 Speaker 1: And then it just kept going down and going down 215 00:09:44,280 --> 00:09:47,920 Speaker 1: and going down, and it just took off in a 216 00:09:47,920 --> 00:09:48,280 Speaker 1: way that. 217 00:09:48,240 --> 00:09:51,520 Speaker 2: I never anticipated or planned, and then I ended up. 218 00:09:51,480 --> 00:09:55,199 Speaker 1: Signing a contract with Nova, and here we are, still 219 00:09:55,480 --> 00:09:58,600 Speaker 1: three years down the track, thirteen seasons in, and he's 220 00:09:58,600 --> 00:09:59,480 Speaker 1: still kickings. 221 00:09:59,600 --> 00:10:01,559 Speaker 2: Yeah. So tell us a little bit. 222 00:10:01,920 --> 00:10:04,080 Speaker 4: More about the podcast and what you talk about. 223 00:10:04,559 --> 00:10:08,800 Speaker 1: So Confessions of a train Wreck is basically a podcast 224 00:10:08,840 --> 00:10:10,920 Speaker 1: about how professionally I've always had it together. So I've 225 00:10:10,920 --> 00:10:13,800 Speaker 1: always had very good jobs. But I think consequently, because 226 00:10:13,800 --> 00:10:18,280 Speaker 1: I spend all of my time at work, I really 227 00:10:18,320 --> 00:10:24,520 Speaker 1: neglect all of my personal life, including finances, getting my car, servers, relationships. 228 00:10:23,920 --> 00:10:24,280 Speaker 2: All of that. 229 00:10:24,480 --> 00:10:28,000 Speaker 1: So I feel like when I was growing up and 230 00:10:28,080 --> 00:10:30,240 Speaker 1: in my earlier twenties, there was never anybody who was 231 00:10:30,280 --> 00:10:33,959 Speaker 1: kind of telling you the truth about how hard life was. Yeah, 232 00:10:33,960 --> 00:10:36,000 Speaker 1: and I kind of wish i'd had a sounding board 233 00:10:36,040 --> 00:10:39,600 Speaker 1: or someone who actually spoke the truth a little bit more. 234 00:10:39,640 --> 00:10:40,559 Speaker 2: And I feel like that was. 235 00:10:40,559 --> 00:10:43,600 Speaker 1: Kind of pre install Oh maybe Instagram was just kind 236 00:10:43,600 --> 00:10:45,360 Speaker 1: of kicking in, but people were just so obsessed with 237 00:10:45,400 --> 00:10:47,360 Speaker 1: making their lives look perfect. 238 00:10:46,960 --> 00:10:50,520 Speaker 4: And no one was talking about what life is really 239 00:10:50,520 --> 00:10:54,040 Speaker 4: alive exactly, And so I just decided that that's what 240 00:10:54,080 --> 00:10:54,720 Speaker 4: I was going to do. 241 00:10:54,760 --> 00:10:57,000 Speaker 1: And I think that's the reason why it succeeded is because, 242 00:10:57,080 --> 00:10:59,040 Speaker 1: well that's the feedback that I get from people who listen. 243 00:10:59,080 --> 00:11:01,880 Speaker 1: It's just like I thought I was the only one yes, 244 00:11:02,000 --> 00:11:03,640 Speaker 1: and it's like you're never the only one. 245 00:11:03,679 --> 00:11:07,199 Speaker 4: And I think it's so refreshing because, like you've said, 246 00:11:07,320 --> 00:11:09,720 Speaker 4: I think your podcast really came out at a time 247 00:11:10,360 --> 00:11:13,440 Speaker 4: when you know, people weren't being I feel like now 248 00:11:13,440 --> 00:11:16,160 Speaker 4: it's a little bit different. Everyone's like very authentic and 249 00:11:16,280 --> 00:11:18,800 Speaker 4: vulnerable that I feel like your podcast came at a 250 00:11:18,800 --> 00:11:22,840 Speaker 4: time where people weren't showing any of that side, and 251 00:11:22,880 --> 00:11:26,600 Speaker 4: it was very much you know, perfect Instagram, perfect lives. 252 00:11:26,679 --> 00:11:28,880 Speaker 4: I have this job and I've just bought this car 253 00:11:28,960 --> 00:11:31,960 Speaker 4: and that sort of thing. So it's so refreshing, like 254 00:11:32,000 --> 00:11:34,840 Speaker 4: you said, to be you know, a twenty something girl 255 00:11:34,880 --> 00:11:37,719 Speaker 4: and be like holy shit. And I love what you 256 00:11:37,800 --> 00:11:41,240 Speaker 4: also talk about in regards to because I'm the exact same, 257 00:11:41,360 --> 00:11:44,440 Speaker 4: like professionally and like in a lot of aspects of 258 00:11:44,480 --> 00:11:47,120 Speaker 4: my life, I have got it together and like, you know, 259 00:11:47,640 --> 00:11:50,959 Speaker 4: I'm doing things and you know I'm that person. But 260 00:11:51,000 --> 00:11:54,320 Speaker 4: also there's so many aspects of my life where I'm 261 00:11:54,400 --> 00:11:57,000 Speaker 4: just like, oh my God if honing people knew this 262 00:11:57,720 --> 00:12:00,920 Speaker 4: and we were just laughing about that. Actually when like 263 00:12:01,040 --> 00:12:05,120 Speaker 4: how much Tim bloody just helps me because there's so 264 00:12:05,280 --> 00:12:07,880 Speaker 4: many little things he does that I'm just like, oh 265 00:12:07,920 --> 00:12:11,120 Speaker 4: my god, I would be an absolute mess, like just 266 00:12:11,200 --> 00:12:13,880 Speaker 4: doing bins and stuff like that one hundred percent. 267 00:12:14,160 --> 00:12:16,080 Speaker 2: Like we said before getting our car. 268 00:12:16,040 --> 00:12:18,360 Speaker 1: Service, like you walked into my car before, and it's 269 00:12:18,400 --> 00:12:21,040 Speaker 1: still squeaks, like there's something obviously wrong. 270 00:12:20,800 --> 00:12:22,440 Speaker 4: With it, but I just don't have time to go 271 00:12:22,480 --> 00:12:25,360 Speaker 4: and get it service. But it's not even about time, 272 00:12:25,440 --> 00:12:29,680 Speaker 4: like I just don't. It's almost like I don't already. Yeah, 273 00:12:30,800 --> 00:12:32,760 Speaker 4: I was saying the exact same thing, like I think 274 00:12:32,800 --> 00:12:35,600 Speaker 4: I need like a tire alignment or wheel alignment whatever 275 00:12:35,600 --> 00:12:38,720 Speaker 4: they call it. And I've had like the little symbol 276 00:12:38,920 --> 00:12:41,080 Speaker 4: on my dash for quiet a while in Term's like 277 00:12:41,200 --> 00:12:44,160 Speaker 4: are you going to book? And I'm like, it drives 278 00:12:44,200 --> 00:12:46,400 Speaker 4: so fine, Like why does it matter? 279 00:12:46,720 --> 00:12:48,400 Speaker 2: Right? That's what I'm like too. 280 00:12:48,679 --> 00:12:48,920 Speaker 3: Yeah. 281 00:12:48,960 --> 00:12:51,760 Speaker 1: I always just think very differently to the way they're 282 00:12:51,880 --> 00:12:55,040 Speaker 1: so rational. So when you cry, they're like, but what's 283 00:12:55,080 --> 00:12:56,880 Speaker 1: the solution that we can find? 284 00:12:56,920 --> 00:12:57,760 Speaker 2: And I'm like, the. 285 00:12:57,760 --> 00:13:00,760 Speaker 4: Solution is you letting me cry for minutes and then 286 00:13:00,880 --> 00:13:04,640 Speaker 4: it'll be fine feel my emotions one hundred percent. Well, actually, 287 00:13:04,720 --> 00:13:08,319 Speaker 4: i'd love to pick your brain. What is your favorite 288 00:13:08,880 --> 00:13:11,040 Speaker 4: train wreck embarrassing moment? 289 00:13:12,320 --> 00:13:16,199 Speaker 1: Honestly, so many, there's thirteen seasons worth of embarrassing moment. 290 00:13:16,440 --> 00:13:18,640 Speaker 2: Pick a couple that the audience could resonate with. 291 00:13:18,760 --> 00:13:20,240 Speaker 1: I mean, I don't even know how many people could 292 00:13:20,240 --> 00:13:22,280 Speaker 1: resonate with this, to be honest, because it's so bad. 293 00:13:22,760 --> 00:13:26,520 Speaker 1: But I have run out of petrol twice on the motorway. 294 00:13:27,520 --> 00:13:29,959 Speaker 1: Once was in peak hour traffic at seven thirty in 295 00:13:30,040 --> 00:13:33,559 Speaker 1: the morning on the ICB. If anyone is familiar with Brisbane, 296 00:13:33,640 --> 00:13:35,120 Speaker 1: it's like gridlocked in the morning. 297 00:13:35,720 --> 00:13:39,000 Speaker 2: And I always pushed my luck when. 298 00:13:38,920 --> 00:13:41,240 Speaker 1: It comes to petrol, So my life, I really get 299 00:13:41,360 --> 00:13:42,960 Speaker 1: kicked out of it for some reason, like seeing how 300 00:13:42,960 --> 00:13:45,560 Speaker 1: far I can go before the car stops, and because 301 00:13:45,559 --> 00:13:46,640 Speaker 1: it's never stopped before. 302 00:13:48,120 --> 00:13:50,400 Speaker 2: But I had never stopped before, so I was like, well, 303 00:13:50,840 --> 00:13:53,640 Speaker 2: is it a myth? Like do you have actually stop? Yes, 304 00:13:53,840 --> 00:13:56,480 Speaker 2: I'm with deer. They do it, does Let me assure 305 00:13:56,520 --> 00:13:57,080 Speaker 2: you they do? 306 00:13:57,160 --> 00:13:58,760 Speaker 1: And I just felt all of a sudden like my 307 00:13:58,800 --> 00:14:00,840 Speaker 1: car got super be slow and I was in a 308 00:14:00,840 --> 00:14:03,280 Speaker 1: seventy zone and then my foot was on the floor 309 00:14:03,320 --> 00:14:06,680 Speaker 1: and it was like like going like a snail's pace, 310 00:14:06,679 --> 00:14:08,760 Speaker 1: and then it just stopped and everyone was beeping me, 311 00:14:08,800 --> 00:14:11,200 Speaker 1: and I was like, oh my god, I've actually run 312 00:14:11,240 --> 00:14:14,319 Speaker 1: out of petrol. So I called my best friend. Didn't 313 00:14:14,360 --> 00:14:16,120 Speaker 1: call our ACQ, I called my best friend. 314 00:14:16,280 --> 00:14:16,480 Speaker 4: Yeah. 315 00:14:16,600 --> 00:14:19,280 Speaker 1: Meanwhile, I'm literally keeping up half of Britain behind me 316 00:14:19,320 --> 00:14:21,560 Speaker 1: because I'm in the middle of the road, and she 317 00:14:21,680 --> 00:14:24,440 Speaker 1: had to delive me a jerry can of petrol, which 318 00:14:24,520 --> 00:14:28,920 Speaker 1: by that point traffic control had already been notified, and 319 00:14:29,000 --> 00:14:31,440 Speaker 1: that her is had to truck out for someone who 320 00:14:31,480 --> 00:14:32,640 Speaker 1: had a little jerry can. 321 00:14:33,440 --> 00:14:36,400 Speaker 2: It was an actual nightmare. That is actual nightmare. That 322 00:14:36,560 --> 00:14:37,320 Speaker 2: is hilarious. 323 00:14:37,400 --> 00:14:39,360 Speaker 4: Yeah, Like, I honestly don't know how many people can 324 00:14:39,360 --> 00:14:40,040 Speaker 4: resonate with that. 325 00:14:40,640 --> 00:14:41,520 Speaker 2: And then it happened again. 326 00:14:41,560 --> 00:14:44,080 Speaker 1: I let it happen again, but this time I was 327 00:14:44,280 --> 00:14:48,080 Speaker 1: so so close I could see the petrol station and 328 00:14:48,240 --> 00:14:49,720 Speaker 1: I would just had to make a right turn to 329 00:14:49,720 --> 00:14:51,720 Speaker 1: get to the petrol station, and the lovely people behind 330 00:14:51,720 --> 00:14:52,080 Speaker 1: me just. 331 00:14:52,080 --> 00:14:54,760 Speaker 2: Pushed me around the corner, literally into the petrol station. 332 00:14:54,880 --> 00:14:56,400 Speaker 1: Like it. They could not have been a more perfect 333 00:14:56,440 --> 00:14:58,560 Speaker 1: place to break down the second time. 334 00:15:00,000 --> 00:15:04,320 Speaker 4: You are so funny honestly, guys, O, well, let's kind 335 00:15:04,360 --> 00:15:06,760 Speaker 4: of swap gears. 336 00:15:06,480 --> 00:15:07,920 Speaker 2: Please literally part intended. 337 00:15:08,120 --> 00:15:12,040 Speaker 4: Yeah, let's bloody change gears. And I would love to 338 00:15:12,080 --> 00:15:16,880 Speaker 4: talk to you about comparing our lives to others. So, 339 00:15:17,000 --> 00:15:18,920 Speaker 4: like you said, you know, this podcast came from a 340 00:15:18,960 --> 00:15:22,200 Speaker 4: place where you saw everyone's life looking perfect and you're like, 341 00:15:22,600 --> 00:15:25,880 Speaker 4: that's not real. And so I would love to get 342 00:15:25,920 --> 00:15:29,520 Speaker 4: your advice for someone who is, you know, comparing their 343 00:15:29,600 --> 00:15:33,520 Speaker 4: life or their timeline to others or on social media 344 00:15:34,560 --> 00:15:36,040 Speaker 4: and they kind of, you know, they feel like a 345 00:15:36,040 --> 00:15:37,680 Speaker 4: bit of a train wreck. What would you say to 346 00:15:37,720 --> 00:15:38,240 Speaker 4: that person. 347 00:15:39,280 --> 00:15:41,480 Speaker 1: I feel like it's hard because to a certain degree, 348 00:15:41,520 --> 00:15:43,360 Speaker 1: I think I still do it. And like I've caught 349 00:15:43,360 --> 00:15:45,840 Speaker 1: myself saying before I'm thirty, why aren't I where I 350 00:15:45,840 --> 00:15:47,520 Speaker 1: thought i'd be? And like, I remember when I was 351 00:15:47,560 --> 00:15:50,640 Speaker 1: really young, I had this for some reason, twenty seven 352 00:15:50,920 --> 00:15:52,760 Speaker 1: was the scary number in my head where I thought 353 00:15:52,800 --> 00:15:55,000 Speaker 1: that I would be married, with kids and not working 354 00:15:55,040 --> 00:15:57,880 Speaker 1: full time anymore when I was twenty seven. But that 355 00:15:57,960 --> 00:16:00,480 Speaker 1: must fee when I was like super super young, and 356 00:16:00,520 --> 00:16:04,840 Speaker 1: now I'm thirty, I'm like, oh, you have so much time, 357 00:16:05,480 --> 00:16:09,200 Speaker 1: and I think that time is such a luxury. That 358 00:16:09,240 --> 00:16:12,720 Speaker 1: we're afforded with. Why is everybody in such a. 359 00:16:12,720 --> 00:16:15,040 Speaker 2: Rush and where are you trying to rush to? 360 00:16:15,120 --> 00:16:18,600 Speaker 1: Because once you get to that place, you're gonna your 361 00:16:19,000 --> 00:16:20,880 Speaker 1: place is going to change again, and you're gonna once 362 00:16:20,920 --> 00:16:22,680 Speaker 1: you get here, you'll want to be here, and once 363 00:16:22,680 --> 00:16:23,440 Speaker 1: you're there, you'll want. 364 00:16:23,360 --> 00:16:23,760 Speaker 2: To get there. 365 00:16:23,960 --> 00:16:24,280 Speaker 4: Yeah. 366 00:16:24,280 --> 00:16:26,960 Speaker 1: So I think that everybody just needs to slow down 367 00:16:27,000 --> 00:16:29,760 Speaker 1: a little bit and enjoy, just enjoy where they're going, 368 00:16:30,840 --> 00:16:33,320 Speaker 1: especially like if twenty twenty is was anything, it's that 369 00:16:34,360 --> 00:16:37,160 Speaker 1: you want to get here, but sometimes you won't be 370 00:16:37,200 --> 00:16:39,560 Speaker 1: able to get there, and I think you need to 371 00:16:39,560 --> 00:16:42,920 Speaker 1: be able to enjoy sometimes the route changes, Yeah, and 372 00:16:43,000 --> 00:16:44,440 Speaker 1: just surrenge them a little bit more. 373 00:16:44,960 --> 00:16:48,200 Speaker 4: I really love that. And I think it's also important 374 00:16:48,240 --> 00:16:50,960 Speaker 4: to talk about that because I was the exact same 375 00:16:51,520 --> 00:16:54,800 Speaker 4: with you, actually kind of the opposite in regards to 376 00:16:55,480 --> 00:16:58,480 Speaker 4: because I had grown up and you know, my mum 377 00:16:58,600 --> 00:17:01,680 Speaker 4: was a stay at home mum, and all my three 378 00:17:01,720 --> 00:17:04,879 Speaker 4: older brothers they all got married and had kids like 379 00:17:05,600 --> 00:17:07,880 Speaker 4: when they were like twenty two, Like it was yeah, 380 00:17:08,000 --> 00:17:11,360 Speaker 4: all and it was very much mirrored my parents' relationship, 381 00:17:11,840 --> 00:17:15,560 Speaker 4: and so I was always like, I'm not getting married 382 00:17:15,640 --> 00:17:18,119 Speaker 4: until i'm older I'm not having kids until you know, 383 00:17:18,359 --> 00:17:20,399 Speaker 4: I'm thirty five or even I don't know if I 384 00:17:20,440 --> 00:17:23,480 Speaker 4: want kids, Like I was always a very much pushing 385 00:17:23,560 --> 00:17:29,480 Speaker 4: back against that timeline. And it's interesting because my you know, 386 00:17:29,600 --> 00:17:36,160 Speaker 4: fiance fiance husband, we're married, Yeah, I love you, Chip, 387 00:17:36,520 --> 00:17:40,600 Speaker 4: he doesn't listen to these. My husband proposed to me 388 00:17:40,920 --> 00:17:44,520 Speaker 4: when I was twenty one, and I was like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoh, 389 00:17:44,600 --> 00:17:47,080 Speaker 4: I'm loaded. Yeah, like I'm not the person who gets married. 390 00:17:47,160 --> 00:17:50,640 Speaker 4: And so it's really interesting though because I was the opposite. 391 00:17:50,800 --> 00:17:55,040 Speaker 4: But I think when we almost put these you know, 392 00:17:55,280 --> 00:18:01,280 Speaker 4: pressures and these timelines on ourselves, we're not hurting anyone 393 00:18:01,400 --> 00:18:04,960 Speaker 4: but ourselves. And when you kind of lift off and 394 00:18:05,000 --> 00:18:07,399 Speaker 4: you just go, you know, life is going to happen, 395 00:18:07,400 --> 00:18:10,160 Speaker 4: and life is going to I like I very much 396 00:18:10,320 --> 00:18:15,680 Speaker 4: have the I guess sort of affirmation and the belief 397 00:18:16,160 --> 00:18:19,240 Speaker 4: that like everything that happens is like, you know, for 398 00:18:19,280 --> 00:18:22,760 Speaker 4: a reason and meant to be. So it's like it's 399 00:18:22,840 --> 00:18:26,080 Speaker 4: going to all happen at the most perfect time. And 400 00:18:26,119 --> 00:18:29,840 Speaker 4: that's even you know, like with kids. For example, like 401 00:18:30,000 --> 00:18:33,560 Speaker 4: Tim's like he's thirty and he's like, I, you know, 402 00:18:33,680 --> 00:18:35,600 Speaker 4: I want kids before I'm thirty, I'm like, well, that's 403 00:18:35,640 --> 00:18:38,240 Speaker 4: clearly not happening with someone else. 404 00:18:38,520 --> 00:18:40,760 Speaker 2: I don't want them yet exactly. 405 00:18:41,040 --> 00:18:43,359 Speaker 4: And then I've always been someone who's like, oh no, 406 00:18:43,480 --> 00:18:45,679 Speaker 4: I want to like have a career and do this 407 00:18:45,800 --> 00:18:49,600 Speaker 4: sort of stuff. And it's interesting though, because it's like, 408 00:18:50,359 --> 00:18:53,119 Speaker 4: you know, these pressures that we put on ourselves is 409 00:18:53,160 --> 00:18:56,400 Speaker 4: like no one else is really a binding by them. 410 00:18:56,440 --> 00:19:00,120 Speaker 4: We're doing it ourselves and let's just you know, see 411 00:19:00,119 --> 00:19:03,159 Speaker 4: what happens. Yeah, even though it's good to plan, like 412 00:19:03,480 --> 00:19:06,840 Speaker 4: you know, I'm not having it, I think, but no, 413 00:19:07,119 --> 00:19:08,600 Speaker 4: I will just at a later day. 414 00:19:08,680 --> 00:19:10,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it is very good to plan, but 415 00:19:10,640 --> 00:19:14,840 Speaker 1: I think it's also important to be prepared for things 416 00:19:14,920 --> 00:19:16,560 Speaker 1: to go off course a little bit and for you 417 00:19:16,600 --> 00:19:17,480 Speaker 1: to be okay with that. 418 00:19:17,720 --> 00:19:21,280 Speaker 2: Yes, well let's talk about that. So how life has gone, 419 00:19:21,320 --> 00:19:22,880 Speaker 2: of course this year? I'm going with this. 420 00:19:23,080 --> 00:19:25,840 Speaker 4: Yeah, so let's talk about this year. You had lots 421 00:19:25,880 --> 00:19:27,760 Speaker 4: of twenty twenty did not go to plan. 422 00:19:27,720 --> 00:19:30,320 Speaker 1: Did not go to plan at all, honestly, like that 423 00:19:30,400 --> 00:19:32,920 Speaker 1: meme about New Year's Eve being like I can't believe 424 00:19:32,920 --> 00:19:35,760 Speaker 1: I've med up till twelve to celebrate this shit we 425 00:19:35,840 --> 00:19:39,600 Speaker 1: knew and it is so true. Now, like every New Years, 426 00:19:39,600 --> 00:19:42,560 Speaker 1: you're like, this year is going to be my year. Yes, 427 00:19:42,640 --> 00:19:45,320 Speaker 1: I think everybody had really high hopes for twenty twenty. 428 00:19:46,160 --> 00:19:50,679 Speaker 1: And when the year started, I was a radio host, 429 00:19:51,280 --> 00:19:55,400 Speaker 1: I was a peer and comms manager, and I was moving. 430 00:19:55,240 --> 00:19:56,480 Speaker 2: With my partner, which was very exciting. 431 00:19:56,520 --> 00:19:59,720 Speaker 1: I've never lived a boyfriend before, and my life was 432 00:19:59,800 --> 00:20:01,400 Speaker 1: kind of of exactly where I thought it would be 433 00:20:01,520 --> 00:20:04,359 Speaker 1: and my whole career because I did about to the 434 00:20:04,359 --> 00:20:07,120 Speaker 1: broadcast journalism at UNI, and I always wanted to work 435 00:20:07,160 --> 00:20:10,119 Speaker 1: in radio and kind of that was the whole reason 436 00:20:10,160 --> 00:20:12,119 Speaker 1: I started the podcast, and I was it was always 437 00:20:12,200 --> 00:20:16,159 Speaker 1: going in one direction. So for some reason when I 438 00:20:16,160 --> 00:20:19,400 Speaker 1: was at UNI, when I graduated, I ended up working 439 00:20:19,400 --> 00:20:21,680 Speaker 1: in a magazine, which was fine because I was like, oh, 440 00:20:21,680 --> 00:20:23,840 Speaker 1: that's cool. Broadcast might not be for me just yet, 441 00:20:23,880 --> 00:20:26,320 Speaker 1: so I'll try the magazine thing out. And got very 442 00:20:26,359 --> 00:20:29,560 Speaker 1: far in magazines and then magazines or closed, so I 443 00:20:29,600 --> 00:20:31,439 Speaker 1: was like, Okay, it's time to reroute again. 444 00:20:31,840 --> 00:20:32,920 Speaker 2: Let's try the PR thing. 445 00:20:33,040 --> 00:20:35,320 Speaker 1: So I got into PR and I've been working in 446 00:20:35,359 --> 00:20:37,879 Speaker 1: PR since then, and that's when the radio stuff kind 447 00:20:37,920 --> 00:20:40,080 Speaker 1: of came up. And then I mean, I've said it 448 00:20:40,080 --> 00:20:43,200 Speaker 1: on my own podcast before, but I ended up during COVID. 449 00:20:44,359 --> 00:20:47,320 Speaker 1: A lot of the radio networks have shut off all 450 00:20:47,359 --> 00:20:49,440 Speaker 1: of a lot of their regional shows because. 451 00:20:49,200 --> 00:20:51,720 Speaker 2: There's just more life coming in. People aren't commuting. 452 00:20:51,760 --> 00:20:54,080 Speaker 1: It's a really it's actually a really sad time for 453 00:20:54,119 --> 00:20:54,800 Speaker 1: the media industry. 454 00:20:54,800 --> 00:20:56,880 Speaker 2: It's kind of in a similar way to the radio industry. 455 00:20:56,960 --> 00:21:00,760 Speaker 1: So we have since lost our radio show, which devastating, 456 00:21:00,800 --> 00:21:03,520 Speaker 1: but you know, every broadcast in Australia is in the 457 00:21:03,520 --> 00:21:07,200 Speaker 1: same position right now, So I think that I think 458 00:21:07,240 --> 00:21:09,159 Speaker 1: all the stuff that's happened so far in twenty twenty 459 00:21:09,560 --> 00:21:11,280 Speaker 1: didn't hit me at the time, but it's kind of 460 00:21:11,320 --> 00:21:13,560 Speaker 1: catching up now because I feel like I'm like you, 461 00:21:13,640 --> 00:21:15,800 Speaker 1: I'm a very gold driven person and they always have 462 00:21:15,920 --> 00:21:18,840 Speaker 1: to work towards something, and I finally got exactly where 463 00:21:18,840 --> 00:21:21,159 Speaker 1: I'd always wanted to go. And now I don't know 464 00:21:21,200 --> 00:21:23,119 Speaker 1: that that's the possibility anymore. But then I have to 465 00:21:23,160 --> 00:21:24,800 Speaker 1: look back and remember, in the same way that I 466 00:21:24,840 --> 00:21:28,000 Speaker 1: had to pivot when the magazine industries started to go down, 467 00:21:28,480 --> 00:21:30,720 Speaker 1: I'm going to have to pivot again now that the 468 00:21:30,840 --> 00:21:31,400 Speaker 1: entertainment and. 469 00:21:31,359 --> 00:21:34,080 Speaker 2: Broadcast industry is kind of gone down a little bit. 470 00:21:34,080 --> 00:21:35,520 Speaker 1: And that's not to say that it won't come back, 471 00:21:35,600 --> 00:21:40,000 Speaker 1: because I think that the COVID situation is obviously very 472 00:21:40,000 --> 00:21:43,000 Speaker 1: different and very detrimental to a lot of industries like, yeah, 473 00:21:43,320 --> 00:21:47,560 Speaker 1: you know, gyms and everything like that, hospitality, airlines, like 474 00:21:47,720 --> 00:21:50,159 Speaker 1: there's very few industries that haven't been touched by this. 475 00:21:50,280 --> 00:21:52,840 Speaker 1: But I think one of the best pieces of advice 476 00:21:52,880 --> 00:21:54,960 Speaker 1: I've actually been given by anybody was by a friend 477 00:21:55,000 --> 00:21:56,840 Speaker 1: actually only last week, because I had a really bad 478 00:21:56,840 --> 00:21:58,520 Speaker 1: week last week, and she said that this is a 479 00:21:58,560 --> 00:22:01,679 Speaker 1: good time to work on your resilient So instead of 480 00:22:01,720 --> 00:22:04,119 Speaker 1: feeling like I feel so defeated and I feel like 481 00:22:04,119 --> 00:22:08,840 Speaker 1: everything's been taken away from me, use this opportunity to 482 00:22:08,880 --> 00:22:11,480 Speaker 1: not let it break you and not become. 483 00:22:11,200 --> 00:22:12,520 Speaker 2: A bitter, negative person. 484 00:22:13,520 --> 00:22:15,399 Speaker 1: And I feel like, again that sounds woo woo, but 485 00:22:15,440 --> 00:22:19,760 Speaker 1: it's a time for like self reflection and you know, 486 00:22:19,920 --> 00:22:22,240 Speaker 1: like I was saying to you when we're having lunch 487 00:22:22,320 --> 00:22:24,200 Speaker 1: this morning, like one of the best things to happen 488 00:22:24,280 --> 00:22:26,840 Speaker 1: in twenty twenty was moving you with my partner, And 489 00:22:27,280 --> 00:22:29,520 Speaker 1: it was a make or break situation because four weeks 490 00:22:29,560 --> 00:22:31,760 Speaker 1: after we moved in, we were in lockdown. I lost 491 00:22:31,800 --> 00:22:34,040 Speaker 1: all my work was on job keeper it was a 492 00:22:34,119 --> 00:22:38,600 Speaker 1: very high stress situation, but we got so close and 493 00:22:38,720 --> 00:22:42,960 Speaker 1: I'm actually really grateful for that experience because it like 494 00:22:43,000 --> 00:22:44,760 Speaker 1: there's a lot of stuff I've lost this year, yes, 495 00:22:44,880 --> 00:22:49,040 Speaker 1: but I have gained such an amazing relationship. Yeah, And 496 00:22:49,080 --> 00:22:50,960 Speaker 1: I think that you know, you always talk about seasons 497 00:22:51,000 --> 00:22:54,320 Speaker 1: on your podcast. For me, this whole year, my season 498 00:22:54,320 --> 00:22:55,600 Speaker 1: has been about relationships. 499 00:22:56,440 --> 00:22:58,960 Speaker 4: So and I think also what we were kind of 500 00:22:59,000 --> 00:23:02,160 Speaker 4: saying before is you are your very like job orientated 501 00:23:02,240 --> 00:23:04,600 Speaker 4: and very fast paced, and you're always doing a lot, 502 00:23:04,760 --> 00:23:07,000 Speaker 4: and I think you know, this is the first time 503 00:23:07,040 --> 00:23:10,520 Speaker 4: you've had to almost like slow down. And also, like 504 00:23:10,520 --> 00:23:12,560 Speaker 4: you said, this is the first time you've moved in 505 00:23:12,640 --> 00:23:15,520 Speaker 4: with a partner, and it's like you haven't ever had 506 00:23:15,560 --> 00:23:18,639 Speaker 4: that priority before. And it's like it's it's made it 507 00:23:18,720 --> 00:23:20,800 Speaker 4: for you. It wasn't even your choice. 508 00:23:20,920 --> 00:23:22,600 Speaker 2: No, that's exactly it. 509 00:23:22,720 --> 00:23:24,520 Speaker 1: He's actually been really nice and he's even said to 510 00:23:24,520 --> 00:23:27,240 Speaker 1: be on multiple occasions. It was a blessing in disguise 511 00:23:27,320 --> 00:23:30,400 Speaker 1: because you were verging on another not breakdown, but kind 512 00:23:30,440 --> 00:23:33,440 Speaker 1: of another burnout. And I had a big burnout last 513 00:23:33,520 --> 00:23:35,560 Speaker 1: year and ended up having to take a bit of 514 00:23:35,600 --> 00:23:38,040 Speaker 1: time off work because I had so many health issues 515 00:23:38,080 --> 00:23:40,119 Speaker 1: that came from that burnout, and you realize at a 516 00:23:40,160 --> 00:23:43,160 Speaker 1: time like this that work should not be your number 517 00:23:43,160 --> 00:23:46,919 Speaker 1: one priority because when everything turns to shit, if you 518 00:23:47,000 --> 00:23:47,879 Speaker 1: have something else. 519 00:23:48,480 --> 00:23:50,080 Speaker 2: And I'm not saying that having a partner is like 520 00:23:50,119 --> 00:23:50,760 Speaker 2: the be all end. 521 00:23:50,640 --> 00:23:52,800 Speaker 1: All of life, but it just makes you reassess what's 522 00:23:52,800 --> 00:23:54,119 Speaker 1: important to you in your. 523 00:23:53,960 --> 00:23:57,359 Speaker 4: Life one hundred percent. And I think so many people 524 00:23:57,760 --> 00:24:00,159 Speaker 4: would be in the exact same boat. And I think 525 00:24:00,160 --> 00:24:02,919 Speaker 4: that's really beautiful what you were saying in regards to 526 00:24:03,840 --> 00:24:07,720 Speaker 4: a blessing in disguise with you, you know, feeling that burnout, 527 00:24:07,760 --> 00:24:10,560 Speaker 4: and I was the exact saying, like, I remember a 528 00:24:10,560 --> 00:24:14,520 Speaker 4: couple of weeks before lockdown, I was looking ahead and 529 00:24:14,600 --> 00:24:18,040 Speaker 4: I had six social events on every week. I had 530 00:24:18,040 --> 00:24:20,440 Speaker 4: a hands I had engagement party, I had a birthday, 531 00:24:21,240 --> 00:24:23,960 Speaker 4: and then also I had like all these launchers with 532 00:24:24,160 --> 00:24:26,920 Speaker 4: you know, in my business and like certain stuff with 533 00:24:26,960 --> 00:24:30,240 Speaker 4: the podcast, and I just remember sitting there going, oh 534 00:24:30,280 --> 00:24:33,600 Speaker 4: my god, I cannot do this. And then it's like 535 00:24:33,800 --> 00:24:35,840 Speaker 4: COVID happened, and I was like, oh my god, did 536 00:24:35,880 --> 00:24:36,320 Speaker 4: I do this? 537 00:24:37,800 --> 00:24:39,200 Speaker 2: Did I manifest it? 538 00:24:39,920 --> 00:24:42,920 Speaker 4: And then even though you know, it was so sad 539 00:24:43,040 --> 00:24:46,200 Speaker 4: because you can imagine like an engagement party being canceled, 540 00:24:46,520 --> 00:24:48,719 Speaker 4: and then I was so sad, you know, for my friends, 541 00:24:48,760 --> 00:24:50,880 Speaker 4: and then you know, stuff had to stop with business 542 00:24:50,960 --> 00:24:53,840 Speaker 4: and stuff like that. Now looking back, I was like, 543 00:24:54,440 --> 00:24:57,640 Speaker 4: holy crap, Like it was actually such a blessing disguise 544 00:24:57,840 --> 00:25:00,760 Speaker 4: for you know, so many reasons. And I think that's 545 00:25:00,840 --> 00:25:04,679 Speaker 4: really important at a time like this to be able 546 00:25:04,760 --> 00:25:06,399 Speaker 4: to do that. And I love what you said about 547 00:25:06,440 --> 00:25:09,040 Speaker 4: not being like a bitter human because it would be 548 00:25:09,119 --> 00:25:09,679 Speaker 4: so easy. 549 00:25:09,840 --> 00:25:11,640 Speaker 1: Would And we've all had bitter moments, and I feel 550 00:25:11,640 --> 00:25:13,800 Speaker 1: like you have really defeated days where you're like everyone's 551 00:25:13,800 --> 00:25:16,280 Speaker 1: against me, nothing's going right, which is fine, Yes, that's 552 00:25:16,359 --> 00:25:20,120 Speaker 1: normal as long as you can shake it off. 553 00:25:21,520 --> 00:25:23,879 Speaker 4: Yeah, in the end, you've got a really sort of 554 00:25:24,440 --> 00:25:26,399 Speaker 4: You're allowed to have your cry, You're allowed to have 555 00:25:26,440 --> 00:25:34,320 Speaker 4: your emotional bit and then get it together. 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What does it look like 590 00:27:47,400 --> 00:27:49,680 Speaker 4: for you to do this and what have you been 591 00:27:49,880 --> 00:27:55,160 Speaker 4: focusing your time and energy into. 592 00:27:53,440 --> 00:27:55,399 Speaker 2: Apart from your relationship. Good question. 593 00:27:56,600 --> 00:28:00,920 Speaker 1: I feel like it's been good to non cliche way 594 00:28:00,960 --> 00:28:03,199 Speaker 1: to also listen to your body and things like that. 595 00:28:03,240 --> 00:28:05,439 Speaker 1: I think it was especially a huge thing for and 596 00:28:05,480 --> 00:28:08,000 Speaker 1: you would be the same. With the gyms being closed 597 00:28:08,040 --> 00:28:10,280 Speaker 1: for such a long time. I remember the first day 598 00:28:10,280 --> 00:28:13,320 Speaker 1: they closed, obviously also because my nine to five job 599 00:28:13,400 --> 00:28:15,239 Speaker 1: is at a gym head office, so not only did 600 00:28:15,280 --> 00:28:17,119 Speaker 1: I lose my income, but I lost my happy place 601 00:28:17,520 --> 00:28:20,240 Speaker 1: and I honestly thought, how am I going to get through? 602 00:28:20,480 --> 00:28:21,800 Speaker 1: And they were saying that it could have been up 603 00:28:21,800 --> 00:28:23,960 Speaker 1: to six months the gyms were going to be closed 604 00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:25,200 Speaker 1: for and I thought, oh my gosh. 605 00:28:25,240 --> 00:28:26,719 Speaker 2: Sometimes I get like really stressed. 606 00:28:26,720 --> 00:28:28,120 Speaker 1: If I can't be at the gym for like a week, 607 00:28:28,160 --> 00:28:29,960 Speaker 1: how am I going to go for potentially six months 608 00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:32,160 Speaker 1: without that? But I think it's just one of those 609 00:28:32,160 --> 00:28:34,240 Speaker 1: things where you just adapt and you like listen to 610 00:28:34,280 --> 00:28:36,040 Speaker 1: your body and find new ways to do things. And 611 00:28:36,080 --> 00:28:39,200 Speaker 1: so I started doing things like running, and I have 612 00:28:39,320 --> 00:28:41,720 Speaker 1: never run in my whole life, but it was just 613 00:28:42,360 --> 00:28:46,120 Speaker 1: something new that I tried. I think my answer to 614 00:28:46,120 --> 00:28:48,560 Speaker 1: that question is I tried a lot of new things 615 00:28:49,120 --> 00:28:52,520 Speaker 1: in that period. So from like a fitness perspective, I 616 00:28:52,520 --> 00:28:55,080 Speaker 1: started running and doing a lot more walking, and doing 617 00:28:55,120 --> 00:28:58,800 Speaker 1: some like home pilates workouts and things like that, and 618 00:28:58,880 --> 00:29:03,120 Speaker 1: realizing you don't need to do the crazy, intense hit 619 00:29:03,160 --> 00:29:06,680 Speaker 1: stuff all the time. And that's not why you exercise anyway. 620 00:29:06,680 --> 00:29:08,360 Speaker 1: It's for your mindset. So as long as you're still 621 00:29:08,360 --> 00:29:13,160 Speaker 1: moving your body, you're still getting that same Yeah. 622 00:29:12,080 --> 00:29:14,840 Speaker 4: And I think so many people would be in the 623 00:29:14,880 --> 00:29:16,959 Speaker 4: same boat. I knew I was the exact same in 624 00:29:17,040 --> 00:29:20,440 Speaker 4: regards to because I was very into strength training, so I. 625 00:29:20,320 --> 00:29:21,520 Speaker 2: Was like I would have been so hard for you 626 00:29:21,560 --> 00:29:22,400 Speaker 2: not having any strength. 627 00:29:22,840 --> 00:29:24,080 Speaker 4: I was like, how am I going to do my 628 00:29:24,200 --> 00:29:28,640 Speaker 4: heavy squats? I'm gonna lose you. Well, that's this is 629 00:29:28,680 --> 00:29:30,760 Speaker 4: the funny thing is I just started. I got like 630 00:29:30,840 --> 00:29:34,920 Speaker 4: five kilo dumbells from kmart again came yeah before they 631 00:29:34,960 --> 00:29:38,040 Speaker 4: sold out, and then I've just been doing and I'm 632 00:29:38,080 --> 00:29:41,160 Speaker 4: still kind of doing it now homework outs, and honestly, 633 00:29:41,240 --> 00:29:43,560 Speaker 4: my body hasn't changed. I looked the exact same exactly 634 00:29:43,600 --> 00:29:45,760 Speaker 4: and I'm like, okay, exactly. 635 00:29:46,040 --> 00:29:48,320 Speaker 1: And again then you realize I'm not exercising for the 636 00:29:48,440 --> 00:29:51,240 Speaker 1: esthetics exactly the mind and I'm still getting the same 637 00:29:51,320 --> 00:29:52,320 Speaker 1: hit exactly. 638 00:29:52,360 --> 00:29:54,840 Speaker 4: And that's a huge thing I also talk about is 639 00:29:54,880 --> 00:29:59,400 Speaker 4: what happened is I actually enjoyed it more because before 640 00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:02,040 Speaker 4: I would, you know, have to wake up, get ready 641 00:30:02,040 --> 00:30:05,040 Speaker 4: for gym, drive to gym, do gym drive home, which 642 00:30:05,120 --> 00:30:07,280 Speaker 4: was like all up an hour and a half, and 643 00:30:07,320 --> 00:30:09,760 Speaker 4: then now I can do like a twenty minute homework 644 00:30:09,800 --> 00:30:12,520 Speaker 4: out get this same effect, be straight back into my 645 00:30:12,560 --> 00:30:15,280 Speaker 4: office or you know, doing a morning routine and I'm like, 646 00:30:15,280 --> 00:30:16,800 Speaker 4: oh my god, I wasted so much time. 647 00:30:16,960 --> 00:30:19,000 Speaker 1: Right, That's the thing I think. Sometimes it's not the 648 00:30:19,040 --> 00:30:22,000 Speaker 1: actual work you're doing. It's the stuff in between. So 649 00:30:22,080 --> 00:30:26,160 Speaker 1: it's like when when life is normal, you get up 650 00:30:26,160 --> 00:30:28,240 Speaker 1: at five, you drive to the gym, do your workout, 651 00:30:28,320 --> 00:30:30,240 Speaker 1: drive home, have a shower, eat breakfast, get back in 652 00:30:30,240 --> 00:30:31,840 Speaker 1: the car, drive to the office, do your work day, 653 00:30:31,960 --> 00:30:35,320 Speaker 1: drive home, make dinner, do a podcast after dinner. But 654 00:30:35,400 --> 00:30:38,120 Speaker 1: when life slowed down a bit, it was like, oh, 655 00:30:38,160 --> 00:30:39,880 Speaker 1: I don't have to wake up at five, I can 656 00:30:40,000 --> 00:30:42,920 Speaker 1: sleep until seven because that's what time my body actually 657 00:30:42,920 --> 00:30:43,600 Speaker 1: wants to sleep. 658 00:30:43,680 --> 00:30:44,560 Speaker 2: Untils and sleep. 659 00:30:44,560 --> 00:30:45,440 Speaker 4: It's so important. 660 00:30:45,560 --> 00:30:46,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, and I did. 661 00:30:46,880 --> 00:30:48,560 Speaker 1: I started to get a lot more sleep, a lot 662 00:30:48,600 --> 00:30:51,920 Speaker 1: more rest, and I think I really needed that at 663 00:30:51,920 --> 00:30:54,000 Speaker 1: the time. And it kind of taught me that, you know, 664 00:30:54,040 --> 00:30:55,600 Speaker 1: if you wake up one day and you're feeling tired, 665 00:30:56,080 --> 00:30:57,680 Speaker 1: turn off your alarm and go back to sleep. 666 00:30:57,720 --> 00:30:59,680 Speaker 2: You don't have to go to the gym. You have options. 667 00:31:00,160 --> 00:31:00,760 Speaker 2: I love that. 668 00:31:01,800 --> 00:31:04,560 Speaker 4: So I'm going to switch to gears again. And I 669 00:31:04,600 --> 00:31:06,560 Speaker 4: really want to chat to you because you just did 670 00:31:06,680 --> 00:31:09,720 Speaker 4: open up about this year really not going to the 671 00:31:09,800 --> 00:31:12,880 Speaker 4: plan and you kind of being like you know before COVID, 672 00:31:12,920 --> 00:31:15,080 Speaker 4: being like, you know, I'm thirty and this and this 673 00:31:15,160 --> 00:31:18,240 Speaker 4: has happened, and I feel like really on track can 674 00:31:18,280 --> 00:31:22,560 Speaker 4: you chat to us about this sort of new season 675 00:31:22,720 --> 00:31:26,000 Speaker 4: coming of you know, first of all you being thirty 676 00:31:26,240 --> 00:31:29,600 Speaker 4: and the podcast being called twenty something train wreck, so 677 00:31:29,920 --> 00:31:33,680 Speaker 4: you entering this new season of that, but also with 678 00:31:33,760 --> 00:31:38,040 Speaker 4: this new season of you know, everything going to shit? Basically, 679 00:31:39,000 --> 00:31:42,280 Speaker 4: can you talk to us about, you know, entering a 680 00:31:42,360 --> 00:31:47,239 Speaker 4: new season of life and how you have managed that 681 00:31:47,400 --> 00:31:51,160 Speaker 4: and how that has been reflected in your message on 682 00:31:51,200 --> 00:31:51,920 Speaker 4: the podcast. 683 00:31:52,760 --> 00:31:55,280 Speaker 1: That's a very good point because up until obviously I 684 00:31:55,360 --> 00:31:58,400 Speaker 1: turned thirty, my podcast was called Confessions of a twenty 685 00:31:58,520 --> 00:32:02,160 Speaker 1: something train Wreck, and then I had obviously no I 686 00:32:02,200 --> 00:32:04,880 Speaker 1: didn't realize the podcast was going to continue to go 687 00:32:04,960 --> 00:32:06,800 Speaker 1: for a couple of years. Okay, how old were you 688 00:32:06,840 --> 00:32:09,640 Speaker 1: when you started? I think I was twenty seven, yeah, 689 00:32:09,760 --> 00:32:13,080 Speaker 1: or twenty eight. I must have been twenty seven yeah. 690 00:32:13,120 --> 00:32:16,280 Speaker 1: And then as my thirtieth birthday started to approach about 691 00:32:16,480 --> 00:32:17,480 Speaker 1: four months out, I. 692 00:32:17,400 --> 00:32:20,960 Speaker 2: Was like, WHOA does the title have to change? And 693 00:32:21,000 --> 00:32:23,560 Speaker 2: then I had this back and forth kind of I 694 00:32:23,600 --> 00:32:26,160 Speaker 2: remember and everyone's like, what are you going to do? 695 00:32:26,280 --> 00:32:29,120 Speaker 1: Like you're the twenty something train wreck and I was like, yeah, 696 00:32:29,760 --> 00:32:32,680 Speaker 1: but I can still just be the train wreck and 697 00:32:32,720 --> 00:32:35,120 Speaker 1: I was not going to change it. For a time, 698 00:32:35,240 --> 00:32:38,000 Speaker 1: and then I thought, no, the podcast has evolved, and 699 00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:40,440 Speaker 1: the content you're putting on the podcast has evolved, and 700 00:32:40,480 --> 00:32:42,840 Speaker 1: a lot of the loyal listeners are growing up with you. 701 00:32:43,280 --> 00:32:45,680 Speaker 1: So a lot of the listeners were also turning thirty and. 702 00:32:45,640 --> 00:32:46,120 Speaker 2: Things like that. 703 00:32:46,320 --> 00:32:49,240 Speaker 1: So what I realized in the end was I literally 704 00:32:49,320 --> 00:32:51,240 Speaker 1: just dropped the twenty something part. So now it's just 705 00:32:51,240 --> 00:32:54,520 Speaker 1: Confessions of a train Wreck and the content is still 706 00:32:55,360 --> 00:32:58,120 Speaker 1: mostly the same. Yeah, but it's just my problems have 707 00:32:58,560 --> 00:33:02,480 Speaker 1: obviously evolved. Yes, I have evolved. But I think that 708 00:33:02,480 --> 00:33:06,840 Speaker 1: that's kind of why you listen to podcasts, especially when 709 00:33:06,840 --> 00:33:09,880 Speaker 1: they're like, I mean, my podcast isn't like an educational 710 00:33:10,000 --> 00:33:12,600 Speaker 1: or like informative or inspiring podcast. And I think that 711 00:33:13,120 --> 00:33:15,320 Speaker 1: the whole premise of mine is being really raw and 712 00:33:15,400 --> 00:33:18,360 Speaker 1: honest and authentic. So why would I gloss over the 713 00:33:18,400 --> 00:33:21,440 Speaker 1: fact that I've turned thirty When people say that it's 714 00:33:21,440 --> 00:33:23,000 Speaker 1: such a big moment in your life. 715 00:33:23,080 --> 00:33:26,080 Speaker 2: Honestly, it's not. I didn't even have a party. I'm 716 00:33:26,120 --> 00:33:28,440 Speaker 2: not even joking, and now I really have a sad 717 00:33:28,440 --> 00:33:32,640 Speaker 2: in return. Probably you know, however. 718 00:33:32,440 --> 00:33:35,160 Speaker 4: Talks about that when they turn thirty. Yeah, they're like, oh, 719 00:33:35,160 --> 00:33:36,600 Speaker 4: my sad in return, and I'm. 720 00:33:36,440 --> 00:33:37,600 Speaker 2: Ay, what is this? 721 00:33:37,840 --> 00:33:41,200 Speaker 1: No, I did a live podcast show on my birthday 722 00:33:41,320 --> 00:33:43,400 Speaker 1: because last year I did a big show at the 723 00:33:43,400 --> 00:33:45,560 Speaker 1: Melbourne Comedy Festival and things like that. And then I'm 724 00:33:45,560 --> 00:33:47,320 Speaker 1: glad that I did that for my thirtieth birthday because 725 00:33:47,320 --> 00:33:48,840 Speaker 1: then obviously the city you haven't been able to do 726 00:33:48,880 --> 00:33:49,840 Speaker 1: shows in venues. 727 00:33:49,600 --> 00:33:50,240 Speaker 2: Or anything like that. 728 00:33:51,880 --> 00:33:55,560 Speaker 1: But I remember my last episode when I was twenty 729 00:33:55,640 --> 00:33:58,719 Speaker 1: nine was a roundup of lessons that I'd learned in 730 00:33:58,760 --> 00:34:01,240 Speaker 1: my twenty so it was nice kind of segue into 731 00:34:01,280 --> 00:34:05,200 Speaker 1: my thirties. And I feel like, not that your thirties 732 00:34:05,200 --> 00:34:07,920 Speaker 1: are better, and it doesn't happen overnight, but I think 733 00:34:07,960 --> 00:34:09,480 Speaker 1: one day you kind of wake up and you're like 734 00:34:10,280 --> 00:34:14,320 Speaker 1: a little bit more confident, a little bit less concerned 735 00:34:14,320 --> 00:34:17,439 Speaker 1: with what other people think of you. I think you've 736 00:34:17,440 --> 00:34:20,319 Speaker 1: been I don't want to say, like broken enough by life, 737 00:34:20,320 --> 00:34:23,200 Speaker 1: but you've been through enough, yes, that you kind of 738 00:34:23,400 --> 00:34:26,160 Speaker 1: I think that's why people really flourish in. 739 00:34:26,120 --> 00:34:30,200 Speaker 4: Their thirties thirties. This is a really interesting topic because 740 00:34:30,280 --> 00:34:33,879 Speaker 4: whenever and so I'm twenty six, and so whenever I 741 00:34:33,960 --> 00:34:37,239 Speaker 4: talk to you know, other twenty six's, twenty six is 742 00:34:37,360 --> 00:34:41,440 Speaker 4: around me their twenty six yeah, or just you know, 743 00:34:41,560 --> 00:34:46,120 Speaker 4: people in their you know, mid twenties. Mostly they're like, oh, 744 00:34:46,160 --> 00:34:48,640 Speaker 4: I don't want to get older, and they have this negative, 745 00:34:49,160 --> 00:34:52,560 Speaker 4: you know, connotation, And I'm the opposite and very much 746 00:34:52,680 --> 00:34:55,800 Speaker 4: like you because that has what That's what I found 747 00:34:55,880 --> 00:34:59,200 Speaker 4: is every year I get older, I'm like, I feel 748 00:34:59,239 --> 00:35:03,080 Speaker 4: more wise, i feel more confident within myself. I've learnt 749 00:35:03,280 --> 00:35:06,280 Speaker 4: more lessons and I love it. So I honestly cannot 750 00:35:06,320 --> 00:35:08,279 Speaker 4: wait to be in my thirties and I think and 751 00:35:08,320 --> 00:35:09,680 Speaker 4: be more sure of myself. 752 00:35:09,800 --> 00:35:12,759 Speaker 1: And I think also for you, I don't think of 753 00:35:12,800 --> 00:35:17,280 Speaker 1: you as being twenty six, because you already do seem. 754 00:35:16,120 --> 00:35:18,200 Speaker 2: So lots of people say. 755 00:35:18,200 --> 00:35:20,120 Speaker 1: Not that you're an old soul or anything like that. 756 00:35:20,239 --> 00:35:22,200 Speaker 1: You don't know, it's like you're dirty, But like, thanks, 757 00:35:22,280 --> 00:35:25,080 Speaker 1: I just think you are very confident stuff already. So 758 00:35:25,120 --> 00:35:26,799 Speaker 1: sometimes I do forget that you are twenty six. But 759 00:35:26,880 --> 00:35:29,680 Speaker 1: do you remember back to like your earlier twenties when 760 00:35:29,719 --> 00:35:31,560 Speaker 1: you would not even be dead, going to the corner 761 00:35:31,560 --> 00:35:33,720 Speaker 1: shop without makeup and straightening your hair and. 762 00:35:33,560 --> 00:35:39,120 Speaker 2: Stuff and just how tired. Yeah, I could not care less. 763 00:35:38,960 --> 00:35:42,240 Speaker 4: No, And I think that's a huge thing and something 764 00:35:42,520 --> 00:35:46,279 Speaker 4: I love when you are getting older is just the 765 00:35:46,360 --> 00:35:50,680 Speaker 4: confidence to be yourself. And I think it's very interesting because, yeah, 766 00:35:50,760 --> 00:35:53,359 Speaker 4: when I look back and even just little aspects of 767 00:35:53,400 --> 00:35:56,360 Speaker 4: my life in regards to you know, going for jobs 768 00:35:56,400 --> 00:35:59,920 Speaker 4: and just different stuff like that, I was like, holy crab, 769 00:36:00,080 --> 00:36:03,200 Speaker 4: I was just not confident. I just and also a 770 00:36:03,239 --> 00:36:05,160 Speaker 4: direct memory and this is kind of going off on 771 00:36:05,200 --> 00:36:07,239 Speaker 4: a bit of a rent here of when I was 772 00:36:07,280 --> 00:36:10,400 Speaker 4: in high school. Is I just remember all I wanted 773 00:36:10,400 --> 00:36:13,560 Speaker 4: to be was like everyone else. I just wanted to 774 00:36:13,600 --> 00:36:16,360 Speaker 4: fit in. I just wanted to be like everyone else, 775 00:36:16,400 --> 00:36:18,840 Speaker 4: Whereas now I'm like, I just want to be me. 776 00:36:19,600 --> 00:36:22,200 Speaker 4: And it's so and I think as you do get older, 777 00:36:22,280 --> 00:36:24,160 Speaker 4: you realize that that's why. You know, when you see 778 00:36:24,280 --> 00:36:26,560 Speaker 4: like old women who just don't give a fark, Yeah, 779 00:36:26,600 --> 00:36:29,160 Speaker 4: and they're just like living their best life. And I'm like, 780 00:36:29,239 --> 00:36:29,800 Speaker 4: that's scholars. 781 00:36:29,960 --> 00:36:30,160 Speaker 3: Yeah. 782 00:36:30,160 --> 00:36:31,799 Speaker 1: And I think especially as a woman, and I don't 783 00:36:31,800 --> 00:36:34,200 Speaker 1: want to typecast gender here, but I think you would 784 00:36:34,200 --> 00:36:36,480 Speaker 1: probably resonate this because you came from a law background, 785 00:36:36,520 --> 00:36:39,239 Speaker 1: which is the very male dominated industry. Yeah, And I 786 00:36:39,239 --> 00:36:41,320 Speaker 1: feel like as a young woman, especially in the workplace, 787 00:36:41,320 --> 00:36:44,440 Speaker 1: you would never question things like your salary or a 788 00:36:44,480 --> 00:36:46,440 Speaker 1: male opinion in the workplace or anything like that. 789 00:36:46,480 --> 00:36:49,520 Speaker 2: But as you get older, you're like, hang on, yeah, 790 00:36:49,560 --> 00:36:51,680 Speaker 2: that's not right. And I'm profil enough. 791 00:36:51,480 --> 00:36:53,640 Speaker 1: In my ability to do my job that I'm going 792 00:36:53,680 --> 00:36:57,239 Speaker 1: to argue this point because I believe that this is 793 00:36:57,239 --> 00:36:59,240 Speaker 1: what we should do in the best interest of the business. 794 00:36:59,280 --> 00:37:02,000 Speaker 1: Whereas that's a com is that you don't have when 795 00:37:02,080 --> 00:37:02,640 Speaker 1: you're younger. 796 00:37:03,000 --> 00:37:04,360 Speaker 2: That is so interesting. 797 00:37:04,400 --> 00:37:06,959 Speaker 4: You said that, and I was actually talking to someone again, 798 00:37:07,040 --> 00:37:08,799 Speaker 4: this is we're going off in a bit of rent here. 799 00:37:09,080 --> 00:37:11,920 Speaker 4: I was talking to someone the other day even being 800 00:37:12,719 --> 00:37:17,040 Speaker 4: you know, when I was I was about to say 801 00:37:17,040 --> 00:37:20,040 Speaker 4: a baby when I was baby girl, I was a 802 00:37:20,080 --> 00:37:23,160 Speaker 4: small girl, and I had just worked and you know, 803 00:37:23,480 --> 00:37:27,759 Speaker 4: started in a law firm. And I remember directly just 804 00:37:27,800 --> 00:37:32,160 Speaker 4: like some inappropriate things like not like you know, nothing, 805 00:37:33,360 --> 00:37:37,480 Speaker 4: nothing too crazy, but just either like older males saying 806 00:37:37,560 --> 00:37:40,279 Speaker 4: kind of inappropriate stuch to me and like me just 807 00:37:40,320 --> 00:37:43,280 Speaker 4: like giggling or just not knowing what to say, because 808 00:37:43,760 --> 00:37:46,320 Speaker 4: one hundred percent I just was not confident in myself. 809 00:37:46,360 --> 00:37:48,279 Speaker 4: I didn't want to question anything. I didn't want to, 810 00:37:48,280 --> 00:37:50,479 Speaker 4: you know, do anything. And it annoys me now because 811 00:37:50,480 --> 00:37:52,320 Speaker 4: there was certain stuff where I was like you should 812 00:37:52,360 --> 00:37:53,640 Speaker 4: have stuck up for. 813 00:37:53,640 --> 00:37:55,279 Speaker 2: Yourself, or you should have reported that person. 814 00:37:55,440 --> 00:37:59,000 Speaker 4: Yes, you should have reported that person. Yeah, and you 815 00:37:59,080 --> 00:38:01,040 Speaker 4: just don't do it when you're younger, and so I 816 00:38:01,280 --> 00:38:03,960 Speaker 4: really agree with you. If anything. Getting older is just 817 00:38:03,960 --> 00:38:04,879 Speaker 4: one of my favorite things. 818 00:38:04,960 --> 00:38:06,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think that someone actually said something to 819 00:38:06,920 --> 00:38:09,239 Speaker 1: me recently that made me flip the way I think 820 00:38:09,280 --> 00:38:11,920 Speaker 1: of birthdays. And you know how when people say I 821 00:38:11,960 --> 00:38:13,880 Speaker 1: think it's like not so much when in your twenties, 822 00:38:13,920 --> 00:38:16,280 Speaker 1: but more like when you're when you're old, like thirty 823 00:38:16,320 --> 00:38:18,719 Speaker 1: and beyond. When you ask someone how old they're turning, 824 00:38:18,719 --> 00:38:21,760 Speaker 1: and they'll say, like, oh, thirty four, Yeah, Co'm so old. 825 00:38:22,040 --> 00:38:24,759 Speaker 1: But then someone said to me, you should actually celebrate 826 00:38:25,120 --> 00:38:27,839 Speaker 1: another year of life because you don't know how much 827 00:38:27,880 --> 00:38:30,080 Speaker 1: longer you have and some people die when they're thirty two, 828 00:38:30,120 --> 00:38:31,680 Speaker 1: when it's out of their control and things like that. 829 00:38:31,719 --> 00:38:36,400 Speaker 1: So instead of like being anxious for a birthday, be 830 00:38:36,520 --> 00:38:38,600 Speaker 1: excited that you get another year or that you've. 831 00:38:38,440 --> 00:38:39,359 Speaker 2: Just had another year. 832 00:38:39,680 --> 00:38:42,759 Speaker 4: Yes, I love that so much. It's all mindset perspective 833 00:38:42,760 --> 00:38:47,000 Speaker 4: as aversent and kind of segueing off that something that 834 00:38:47,080 --> 00:38:49,799 Speaker 4: I know you do talk very openly about, which is 835 00:38:50,360 --> 00:38:53,360 Speaker 4: I think so important to really kind of not have 836 00:38:53,480 --> 00:38:56,640 Speaker 4: so much stigma towards it is your mental health and 837 00:38:56,680 --> 00:39:00,759 Speaker 4: your battle, you know, with dealing with your anxiety. Can 838 00:39:00,800 --> 00:39:04,600 Speaker 4: you kind of talk to us about what ad that 839 00:39:04,880 --> 00:39:09,359 Speaker 4: has looked like and how you're managing you're anxiety, because 840 00:39:09,360 --> 00:39:13,120 Speaker 4: I could imagine it's a very prominent time where it 841 00:39:13,200 --> 00:39:13,799 Speaker 4: might come up. 842 00:39:13,920 --> 00:39:16,799 Speaker 2: Oh, how much time do you have? Yes? 843 00:39:17,080 --> 00:39:20,120 Speaker 1: So I opened up about my anxiety last year, and 844 00:39:20,160 --> 00:39:22,480 Speaker 1: it was probably one of the scariest episodes I've ever released. 845 00:39:22,520 --> 00:39:25,600 Speaker 1: And I remember it was actually ironically are you Okay? 846 00:39:25,680 --> 00:39:27,680 Speaker 1: Day when that episode came out, and it was completely 847 00:39:27,760 --> 00:39:29,120 Speaker 1: unplanned that it happened like that. 848 00:39:29,520 --> 00:39:29,840 Speaker 4: Crazy. 849 00:39:29,840 --> 00:39:32,120 Speaker 1: It was so weird. It was such a right time, 850 00:39:32,200 --> 00:39:34,600 Speaker 1: right place kind of thing. But I have been a 851 00:39:34,719 --> 00:39:37,880 Speaker 1: very highly strung person for my whole life, and I 852 00:39:37,960 --> 00:39:40,520 Speaker 1: just kind of thought that I was just a chaotic, 853 00:39:40,560 --> 00:39:43,040 Speaker 1: neutral kind of person. And I have spoken before in 854 00:39:43,040 --> 00:39:45,319 Speaker 1: the podcast about struggling with like eating disorders in the 855 00:39:45,320 --> 00:39:46,920 Speaker 1: past and things like that, but I never. 856 00:39:46,760 --> 00:39:47,480 Speaker 2: Had a why. 857 00:39:47,920 --> 00:39:50,120 Speaker 1: I like treated it, dealt with it, moved on with 858 00:39:50,160 --> 00:39:52,680 Speaker 1: my life, but I never kind of found. 859 00:39:52,440 --> 00:39:54,480 Speaker 2: Out like why that happened to me? And you know, 860 00:39:54,600 --> 00:39:58,000 Speaker 2: things like that and then last year, at the start 861 00:39:58,000 --> 00:39:58,959 Speaker 2: of last year, I was very. 862 00:39:58,840 --> 00:40:00,480 Speaker 1: Overwhelmed with a lot of stuff that was going on 863 00:40:00,520 --> 00:40:03,279 Speaker 1: in my life, Like the podcast was blowing up, work 864 00:40:03,360 --> 00:40:05,360 Speaker 1: was blowing up in all in great ways, but I 865 00:40:05,480 --> 00:40:08,040 Speaker 1: just wasn't It was a lot, It was a lot 866 00:40:08,080 --> 00:40:10,160 Speaker 1: to deal with. And then I just couldn't understand why 867 00:40:10,160 --> 00:40:12,440 Speaker 1: I was feeling the way that I was feeling. And 868 00:40:12,480 --> 00:40:14,920 Speaker 1: I think I tried to squash that feeling for a 869 00:40:14,960 --> 00:40:17,040 Speaker 1: long time and tried to be more grateful for what 870 00:40:17,120 --> 00:40:19,960 Speaker 1: I had instead of feeling stressed and anxious about it. 871 00:40:20,000 --> 00:40:21,799 Speaker 2: And then because like push. 872 00:40:21,600 --> 00:40:23,480 Speaker 1: Down, I think how I was feeling for so long 873 00:40:23,520 --> 00:40:25,160 Speaker 1: and I was suppressing it that all of a sudden, 874 00:40:25,239 --> 00:40:29,320 Speaker 1: then I started to get these physical symptoms, like I 875 00:40:29,360 --> 00:40:31,360 Speaker 1: stopped getting my period for a couple of months. 876 00:40:31,400 --> 00:40:34,080 Speaker 2: I had psoriasis like all over my body. 877 00:40:34,520 --> 00:40:37,200 Speaker 1: I wasn't sleeping at all, and like clockwork, I was 878 00:40:37,239 --> 00:40:39,920 Speaker 1: waking up at three am every day even though I 879 00:40:39,920 --> 00:40:42,440 Speaker 1: hadn't slept for very long. And I went to and 880 00:40:42,480 --> 00:40:46,440 Speaker 1: I had horrific stomach problems, like horrific gut problems, which 881 00:40:46,440 --> 00:40:48,399 Speaker 1: I've had for like the last ten years, and I've 882 00:40:48,440 --> 00:40:53,080 Speaker 1: gone to see gastrointrologists, natural paths, gps, like anyone, you 883 00:40:53,160 --> 00:40:55,120 Speaker 1: name it. I went to see them and all these 884 00:40:55,120 --> 00:40:56,839 Speaker 1: tests were coming back saying there was nothing wrong. There 885 00:40:56,880 --> 00:40:59,640 Speaker 1: was nothing wrong. And I'd been to my GP about 886 00:41:00,120 --> 00:41:02,600 Speaker 1: the stomach things, and he said to me, I've known 887 00:41:02,600 --> 00:41:05,360 Speaker 1: you for a long time and you have anxiety. And 888 00:41:05,400 --> 00:41:08,759 Speaker 1: I was like, no, I don't. Everyone has anxiety like you. 889 00:41:08,800 --> 00:41:11,640 Speaker 1: Hear everybody saying I'm anxious. I've got anxiety this that, 890 00:41:12,239 --> 00:41:14,440 Speaker 1: and so I really just downplayed it and thought, no, no, no, 891 00:41:14,600 --> 00:41:16,799 Speaker 1: just keep giving me referrals to specialists because I'm going 892 00:41:16,840 --> 00:41:18,879 Speaker 1: to figure something out. I went to the emergency room 893 00:41:18,920 --> 00:41:22,480 Speaker 1: one night because my stomach was like stabby pains. It 894 00:41:22,600 --> 00:41:26,200 Speaker 1: was just a lot, and I was just so broken 895 00:41:26,239 --> 00:41:30,480 Speaker 1: as a person. And then I listened to a podcast 896 00:41:30,560 --> 00:41:33,240 Speaker 1: with Georgie Dent on mea Friedman's Mom of Me a podcast, 897 00:41:33,280 --> 00:41:36,840 Speaker 1: and she was talking about anxiety and how it manifested. 898 00:41:37,040 --> 00:41:39,800 Speaker 2: Had Georgie on the podcast, Yeah, my gosh, she's amazing. 899 00:41:39,880 --> 00:41:41,319 Speaker 2: It's amazing. It was like. 900 00:41:42,760 --> 00:41:47,080 Speaker 1: Hearing someone speaking about myself, and I was just thinking, 901 00:41:47,120 --> 00:41:49,240 Speaker 1: oh my gosh, and it started to kind of click 902 00:41:49,320 --> 00:41:51,600 Speaker 1: in my head and I had a girlfriend at the 903 00:41:51,600 --> 00:41:54,759 Speaker 1: time who was studying mental health. She was doing a 904 00:41:54,760 --> 00:41:57,839 Speaker 1: mental health prack in as a nurse, and she said 905 00:41:57,880 --> 00:42:02,760 Speaker 1: to me, I think that you're anxious or depressed or something, 906 00:42:02,840 --> 00:42:04,600 Speaker 1: and like, coming from a place of love, I think 907 00:42:04,600 --> 00:42:06,279 Speaker 1: you should just go and talk to a GP about 908 00:42:06,320 --> 00:42:08,560 Speaker 1: it and just see what your options are because we 909 00:42:08,640 --> 00:42:09,840 Speaker 1: really care about you. And it was kind of like 910 00:42:09,880 --> 00:42:12,880 Speaker 1: an intervention, but one that I really really needed. 911 00:42:12,920 --> 00:42:13,560 Speaker 2: But I think. 912 00:42:13,400 --> 00:42:16,440 Speaker 1: Almost people were too scared to kind of have that 913 00:42:16,480 --> 00:42:18,360 Speaker 1: real conversation with me. So I remember going back to 914 00:42:18,400 --> 00:42:22,319 Speaker 1: my GP after months of more tests that all came 915 00:42:22,360 --> 00:42:25,920 Speaker 1: back negatives, negative, and I just started crying and I 916 00:42:25,960 --> 00:42:28,640 Speaker 1: was like, I really need your help. I think I 917 00:42:28,719 --> 00:42:33,000 Speaker 1: have really bad anxiety. And he said, yes, I've been 918 00:42:33,000 --> 00:42:34,680 Speaker 1: waiting for you to come back and tell me this 919 00:42:34,760 --> 00:42:37,360 Speaker 1: for six months. And he said that I think that 920 00:42:38,280 --> 00:42:40,239 Speaker 1: you need to go on medication for this. And he 921 00:42:40,280 --> 00:42:42,920 Speaker 1: said that look back at your whole medical history. You've 922 00:42:42,960 --> 00:42:45,520 Speaker 1: always had anxiety, and it's manifested in different ways and 923 00:42:45,560 --> 00:42:47,800 Speaker 1: that's how like one time it was an eating disorder, 924 00:42:48,000 --> 00:42:50,160 Speaker 1: one time it was stomach problems, one time it was 925 00:42:50,320 --> 00:42:53,319 Speaker 1: so it's always been there, It's always been present. In 926 00:42:53,360 --> 00:42:56,000 Speaker 1: some form in a physical way, which is the weird part. 927 00:42:56,239 --> 00:42:58,080 Speaker 2: But I always just pushed it to the side and 928 00:42:58,080 --> 00:42:59,200 Speaker 2: never actually dealt with it. 929 00:42:59,719 --> 00:43:02,400 Speaker 1: And I'm not endorsing that everyone just jump on medication 930 00:43:02,440 --> 00:43:04,279 Speaker 1: if you're having a bad day or a stressful day. 931 00:43:04,600 --> 00:43:09,080 Speaker 1: But I cannot even like say enough how much my 932 00:43:09,120 --> 00:43:10,239 Speaker 1: life has changed since then. 933 00:43:10,280 --> 00:43:13,040 Speaker 2: I can sleep now, I got my period back. 934 00:43:13,840 --> 00:43:17,200 Speaker 1: I everything kind of just fell into place for the 935 00:43:17,239 --> 00:43:18,800 Speaker 1: first time in probably ten years. 936 00:43:19,200 --> 00:43:24,280 Speaker 4: That is insane, and I think that it's crazy because 937 00:43:25,760 --> 00:43:31,319 Speaker 4: I we just we're not taught that, you know, like 938 00:43:31,440 --> 00:43:36,240 Speaker 4: mental health issues like depression or anxiety can manifest in 939 00:43:36,320 --> 00:43:40,000 Speaker 4: physical ways, if that makes sense. And that's actually something 940 00:43:40,080 --> 00:43:44,160 Speaker 4: I've completely found out myself too. So I completely resonate 941 00:43:44,239 --> 00:43:46,840 Speaker 4: with that, and I know so many people would be 942 00:43:46,880 --> 00:43:48,480 Speaker 4: able to sort of resonate with that. 943 00:43:48,680 --> 00:43:50,560 Speaker 1: I remember seeing all your Instagram stories when you were 944 00:43:50,560 --> 00:43:54,520 Speaker 1: going through a super anxious time, and I remember thinking 945 00:43:54,760 --> 00:43:56,439 Speaker 1: how relieved I was when you said that you started 946 00:43:56,520 --> 00:43:57,200 Speaker 1: thing a therapist. 947 00:43:57,840 --> 00:44:01,640 Speaker 4: Yes, goal, yes, And that was to me one of 948 00:44:01,719 --> 00:44:06,120 Speaker 4: the most life changing, like literally life changing things, because 949 00:44:06,160 --> 00:44:09,920 Speaker 4: you know, to be able and again she said to me, 950 00:44:10,080 --> 00:44:16,279 Speaker 4: my anxiety was definitely manifested in these like suppressed emotions, 951 00:44:16,320 --> 00:44:19,439 Speaker 4: because like you, I suppressed it and I just pushed 952 00:44:19,480 --> 00:44:22,080 Speaker 4: some link to push it to the side and kept going, 953 00:44:22,200 --> 00:44:26,200 Speaker 4: and then it was coming out in panic attacks. And 954 00:44:26,239 --> 00:44:29,240 Speaker 4: then I, yeah, saw my psychologists and kind of learned. 955 00:44:29,440 --> 00:44:32,080 Speaker 4: I think also for me too, it was like learning 956 00:44:32,160 --> 00:44:35,400 Speaker 4: that when you have these feelings, like to not suppress 957 00:44:35,440 --> 00:44:38,319 Speaker 4: them and actually feel them and deal with them and 958 00:44:38,400 --> 00:44:40,879 Speaker 4: not just kind of keep going. If that makes sense. 959 00:44:41,840 --> 00:44:44,760 Speaker 1: It's okay, that's a very confronting thing also to feel 960 00:44:44,800 --> 00:44:45,880 Speaker 1: and be with your thoughts. 961 00:44:45,920 --> 00:44:49,560 Speaker 2: It's a horrible place to be, yes, but you have 962 00:44:49,640 --> 00:44:50,120 Speaker 2: to do it. 963 00:44:50,120 --> 00:44:53,120 Speaker 1: It's like it's very uncomfortable when you're at the gym 964 00:44:53,160 --> 00:44:55,120 Speaker 1: and your legs are sow doing burpees, But on the 965 00:44:55,160 --> 00:44:57,719 Speaker 1: other side of it, you feel so strong and it's 966 00:44:57,800 --> 00:45:00,960 Speaker 1: hard work staying fished, and it's hard work succeeding in 967 00:45:01,000 --> 00:45:03,560 Speaker 1: your career. And I think we need to think of 968 00:45:03,600 --> 00:45:05,319 Speaker 1: mental health in the same way. It's something that you 969 00:45:05,360 --> 00:45:08,319 Speaker 1: need to continually work on if you want to keep 970 00:45:08,360 --> 00:45:10,920 Speaker 1: your mental health in a really strong place. 971 00:45:11,360 --> 00:45:15,560 Speaker 4: And I think that's also why I'm so prevalent and 972 00:45:15,760 --> 00:45:21,439 Speaker 4: like focused on self development too, because I notice that 973 00:45:21,600 --> 00:45:24,040 Speaker 4: kind of. And this is like in a weird sort 974 00:45:24,080 --> 00:45:28,719 Speaker 4: of way. But when I am kind of ignoring myself 975 00:45:28,760 --> 00:45:32,080 Speaker 4: and kind of letting you know bad sort of, I 976 00:45:32,080 --> 00:45:35,759 Speaker 4: don't want to call them like like negative loops in 977 00:45:35,760 --> 00:45:39,120 Speaker 4: my head come up or you know, like not feeling 978 00:45:39,120 --> 00:45:42,160 Speaker 4: my feelings and different stuff like that. Is I just 979 00:45:42,280 --> 00:45:46,120 Speaker 4: notice such a different compared to when I'm focusing on that. 980 00:45:46,160 --> 00:45:48,319 Speaker 4: And it's like you said, it's something that people don't 981 00:45:48,320 --> 00:45:51,600 Speaker 4: really talk about or tell you compared to physical things 982 00:45:51,600 --> 00:45:54,040 Speaker 4: like you know, working on your job or working out. 983 00:45:54,520 --> 00:45:56,600 Speaker 4: It's like, yeah, it's really interesting. 984 00:45:56,160 --> 00:45:56,440 Speaker 2: Isn't it. 985 00:45:56,640 --> 00:45:58,319 Speaker 1: But that's what I think is psychologists is really really 986 00:45:58,360 --> 00:46:01,000 Speaker 1: good for is helping you a unpacked your feelings because 987 00:46:01,040 --> 00:46:03,040 Speaker 1: it's very hard to do that. And I think that 988 00:46:03,600 --> 00:46:06,000 Speaker 1: your partner or your friends, they're not the person you 989 00:46:06,000 --> 00:46:07,200 Speaker 1: could you unpacked. 990 00:46:06,800 --> 00:46:09,040 Speaker 4: To it and to it a degree, yeah. 991 00:46:08,840 --> 00:46:12,960 Speaker 1: But a psychologist can really help you like compartmentalize what's 992 00:46:12,960 --> 00:46:15,560 Speaker 1: going on and help give you kind of tactics and 993 00:46:15,560 --> 00:46:19,200 Speaker 1: coping mechanisms for when those feelings come back, because they're 994 00:46:19,200 --> 00:46:19,839 Speaker 1: going to come back. 995 00:46:19,880 --> 00:46:22,440 Speaker 2: It's not like I'm seing a therapist. I'm cured. I'm 996 00:46:22,440 --> 00:46:23,840 Speaker 2: a medication I'm cured, you're not. 997 00:46:24,080 --> 00:46:27,240 Speaker 1: And when anything happen, When this year happens, for example, 998 00:46:27,360 --> 00:46:31,799 Speaker 1: I started seeing things manifest in me that I identified 999 00:46:31,880 --> 00:46:34,640 Speaker 1: straight away, Like I when I lost all my work 1000 00:46:34,640 --> 00:46:37,200 Speaker 1: in the gym shot and everything was out of my control. 1001 00:46:37,520 --> 00:46:41,560 Speaker 1: I reverted back to a very restrictive way of eating 1002 00:46:41,800 --> 00:46:45,240 Speaker 1: for a couple of weeks, and then I caught myself 1003 00:46:45,239 --> 00:46:47,560 Speaker 1: out and I was like, stop it. Yeah, you're trying 1004 00:46:47,560 --> 00:46:51,040 Speaker 1: to regain control because you're in a really anxious situation 1005 00:46:51,200 --> 00:46:53,200 Speaker 1: right now, but this is not the time. 1006 00:46:53,600 --> 00:46:55,880 Speaker 4: Yeah, so what other things have you been doing to 1007 00:46:56,200 --> 00:46:57,719 Speaker 4: manage your anxiety this year? 1008 00:46:58,520 --> 00:47:01,320 Speaker 1: I feel like placing a lot more emphasis on sleep 1009 00:47:01,480 --> 00:47:04,560 Speaker 1: is something that's really, really really helped, because I used 1010 00:47:04,600 --> 00:47:07,080 Speaker 1: to almost brag about the fact that I didn't need sleep. 1011 00:47:07,160 --> 00:47:09,640 Speaker 1: I was like, I can function on four hours a 1012 00:47:09,719 --> 00:47:11,160 Speaker 1: night and still do everything I need to do. 1013 00:47:11,600 --> 00:47:11,799 Speaker 3: Well. 1014 00:47:11,800 --> 00:47:13,520 Speaker 1: No, that's probably why you cried all day because your 1015 00:47:13,560 --> 00:47:16,880 Speaker 1: body was like sleep, I need sleep and rest and repair. 1016 00:47:18,440 --> 00:47:23,800 Speaker 1: I think removing more restrictions around food, so like, don't track, 1017 00:47:24,239 --> 00:47:27,680 Speaker 1: don't look at calories, eat when you're hungry, don't diet, 1018 00:47:28,520 --> 00:47:30,399 Speaker 1: go out to dinner, have a margarita if you want 1019 00:47:30,440 --> 00:47:31,680 Speaker 1: to have desert if you want to. 1020 00:47:33,320 --> 00:47:33,880 Speaker 2: Things like that. 1021 00:47:34,000 --> 00:47:36,319 Speaker 1: And I feel like, as we said before, I think 1022 00:47:36,320 --> 00:47:38,000 Speaker 1: it was even when or at lunch, twenty twenty is 1023 00:47:38,000 --> 00:47:42,560 Speaker 1: not the year to be making huge goals for you know, 1024 00:47:42,920 --> 00:47:45,440 Speaker 1: I'm going to get a six pack and do a challenge, 1025 00:47:45,560 --> 00:47:47,520 Speaker 1: or I'm going to get a promotion, or I'm going 1026 00:47:47,600 --> 00:47:50,520 Speaker 1: to do this. It's a year to just survive, yeah, 1027 00:47:50,560 --> 00:47:54,879 Speaker 1: and do little things. I think, even just little things 1028 00:47:54,880 --> 00:47:56,840 Speaker 1: that you can have fun doing. 1029 00:47:57,239 --> 00:48:00,040 Speaker 4: Yeah, Like we were saying at lunch, like almost this 1030 00:48:00,160 --> 00:48:04,440 Speaker 4: year is like it's okay to be stagnant and just survive. 1031 00:48:04,640 --> 00:48:08,160 Speaker 4: I think that's like that's an accomplishment in itself. And 1032 00:48:08,200 --> 00:48:12,120 Speaker 4: I think, especially me and personally, like previous years, I'm 1033 00:48:12,160 --> 00:48:15,560 Speaker 4: so used to like overachieving and like do you know 1034 00:48:15,719 --> 00:48:18,879 Speaker 4: and just like going at it and going like full ball, 1035 00:48:19,239 --> 00:48:21,160 Speaker 4: And this year has definitely been a year where I'm like, 1036 00:48:21,400 --> 00:48:24,000 Speaker 4: and don't get me wrong, like I am still achieving 1037 00:48:24,040 --> 00:48:26,960 Speaker 4: things and I'm still in such a blessed place compared 1038 00:48:27,000 --> 00:48:30,040 Speaker 4: to other people where I am I do even have 1039 00:48:30,120 --> 00:48:33,440 Speaker 4: the opportunity to do that, but it's been such like 1040 00:48:33,480 --> 00:48:37,160 Speaker 4: a really good, like kind of reality check to be like, oh, no, 1041 00:48:37,440 --> 00:48:40,400 Speaker 4: just you know, focusing on your mental health and surviving 1042 00:48:40,800 --> 00:48:43,800 Speaker 4: and just getting through this year is accomplishment. Yeah enough. 1043 00:48:43,960 --> 00:48:45,799 Speaker 1: But I think also in saying that you still are 1044 00:48:45,840 --> 00:48:47,560 Speaker 1: allowed to grieve the things that you've lost, and I 1045 00:48:47,600 --> 00:48:49,640 Speaker 1: know that. I think as humans, we have the tendency 1046 00:48:49,680 --> 00:48:51,960 Speaker 1: to be like Albert, who cares there's someone in a 1047 00:48:51,960 --> 00:48:55,640 Speaker 1: worse position, which is fine to have that reality check sometimes, 1048 00:48:55,640 --> 00:48:58,040 Speaker 1: but also sometimes I think you're allowed to be sad 1049 00:48:58,040 --> 00:49:00,840 Speaker 1: about what you've lost or missed out on or things 1050 00:49:00,880 --> 00:49:01,160 Speaker 1: like that. 1051 00:49:01,560 --> 00:49:04,080 Speaker 4: I think that's a great point, and that's really important 1052 00:49:04,080 --> 00:49:08,000 Speaker 4: because there's so many things, Like I remember I was 1053 00:49:08,239 --> 00:49:12,520 Speaker 4: dealing with this really weird time where I don't like travel, 1054 00:49:12,800 --> 00:49:16,600 Speaker 4: so I like, I like kind of not overseas travel. 1055 00:49:16,640 --> 00:49:20,200 Speaker 4: I find it quite stressful and anxious, and so I 1056 00:49:20,239 --> 00:49:22,239 Speaker 4: had just got in my head around we were doing 1057 00:49:22,239 --> 00:49:24,360 Speaker 4: this Europe trip and we had booked it all, and 1058 00:49:24,400 --> 00:49:26,280 Speaker 4: I just got on my head around and I was like, Okay, 1059 00:49:26,280 --> 00:49:27,960 Speaker 4: I'm ready to do it. We'll do it. And then 1060 00:49:28,040 --> 00:49:31,480 Speaker 4: COVID happened and it all got canceled, and I went 1061 00:49:31,520 --> 00:49:34,080 Speaker 4: through this really weird time where I was like almost 1062 00:49:34,160 --> 00:49:37,279 Speaker 4: dealing with that loss, and I was fighting against it 1063 00:49:37,320 --> 00:49:39,440 Speaker 4: because I was like, Georgia, you know there's people who 1064 00:49:39,480 --> 00:49:42,799 Speaker 4: are losing their jobs, like stop being ridiculous. And then 1065 00:49:43,000 --> 00:49:47,240 Speaker 4: like I was like almost split personality in me fighting 1066 00:49:47,239 --> 00:49:49,279 Speaker 4: with it. And it was someone who said that like, 1067 00:49:49,440 --> 00:49:52,120 Speaker 4: just because your loss isn't you know, it's worse as 1068 00:49:52,120 --> 00:49:54,920 Speaker 4: someone else doesn't mean it's it's not bad, and you're 1069 00:49:54,960 --> 00:49:57,160 Speaker 4: allowed to feel sorry for yourself and you're allowed to 1070 00:49:57,160 --> 00:50:00,600 Speaker 4: feel down but sort of feel it and then move on. 1071 00:50:00,680 --> 00:50:02,239 Speaker 4: If that makes sense. I'm glad you tell you. 1072 00:50:02,560 --> 00:50:04,960 Speaker 1: And also from your perspective, that would have just fed 1073 00:50:05,000 --> 00:50:06,360 Speaker 1: your anxiety more and been like, this is why I 1074 00:50:06,360 --> 00:50:09,040 Speaker 1: don't book over season like this happened. 1075 00:50:09,160 --> 00:50:10,799 Speaker 4: I said that to Tim and he was like, oh 1076 00:50:10,840 --> 00:50:14,640 Speaker 4: my god, conspiracy. It's funny because we had a lot 1077 00:50:14,680 --> 00:50:17,520 Speaker 4: of trouble booking it just in regards to like stuff 1078 00:50:17,560 --> 00:50:19,680 Speaker 4: lining up because we were going over a wedding and 1079 00:50:19,680 --> 00:50:23,919 Speaker 4: then we were, you know, trotting around. And I said 1080 00:50:23,920 --> 00:50:25,879 Speaker 4: to Tim, I was like, I told you I got 1081 00:50:25,920 --> 00:50:28,680 Speaker 4: really bad feelings about this and look when how this happened. 1082 00:50:28,719 --> 00:50:32,440 Speaker 4: And he's just like, oh my god, yeah, yeah, no, 1083 00:50:32,920 --> 00:50:37,240 Speaker 4: I completely agree. Okay, Phoebe. So last question to wrap 1084 00:50:37,280 --> 00:50:39,080 Speaker 4: it up, And first of all, thank you so much 1085 00:50:39,080 --> 00:50:41,960 Speaker 4: for being so open about that. I think we we 1086 00:50:42,000 --> 00:50:45,560 Speaker 4: do appreciate that. And so last question, I want to 1087 00:50:45,600 --> 00:50:47,680 Speaker 4: ask you to wrap up, and this is what I 1088 00:50:47,719 --> 00:50:50,839 Speaker 4: asked all my guests in season three, and it is 1089 00:50:51,600 --> 00:50:55,759 Speaker 4: what would what advice would you give yourself? I'm kind 1090 00:50:55,760 --> 00:50:58,680 Speaker 4: of looking for a pep talk here. What advice would 1091 00:50:58,719 --> 00:51:02,880 Speaker 4: you give yourself if you're about to start something new 1092 00:51:03,360 --> 00:51:07,360 Speaker 4: or do something new and you're feeling self doubt or fear. 1093 00:51:08,960 --> 00:51:11,880 Speaker 1: As cliche as it is, I'm going to just start 1094 00:51:11,920 --> 00:51:14,960 Speaker 1: by saying, feel the fear and do it anyway, because 1095 00:51:14,960 --> 00:51:17,040 Speaker 1: I feel like even when I reflect back to my 1096 00:51:17,120 --> 00:51:20,520 Speaker 1: first day in my grad job, I remember getting a 1097 00:51:20,600 --> 00:51:22,920 Speaker 1: job at a magazine when I wasn't even qualified, I 1098 00:51:22,920 --> 00:51:24,640 Speaker 1: had no experience, I was fresh from UNI, and I 1099 00:51:24,680 --> 00:51:27,880 Speaker 1: remember being so overwhelmed in the morning that I cried 1100 00:51:27,880 --> 00:51:29,600 Speaker 1: in the bathroom before I went into the office to 1101 00:51:29,600 --> 00:51:31,840 Speaker 1: start my first day because I thought it was like 1102 00:51:31,840 --> 00:51:33,600 Speaker 1: that imposter syndrome thing, and You're like, how did I 1103 00:51:33,640 --> 00:51:33,880 Speaker 1: get here? 1104 00:51:33,880 --> 00:51:35,799 Speaker 2: I'dn't observe to be here. There are many other girls 1105 00:51:35,800 --> 00:51:36,680 Speaker 2: who could do this job. 1106 00:51:37,200 --> 00:51:41,680 Speaker 1: But I think that if you're scared that means you're 1107 00:51:41,719 --> 00:51:43,040 Speaker 1: probably in the right place. 1108 00:51:43,200 --> 00:51:44,120 Speaker 2: And I think that. 1109 00:51:45,719 --> 00:51:48,200 Speaker 1: There is such a sense of accomplishment once you move 1110 00:51:48,280 --> 00:51:50,360 Speaker 1: past that scared thought. And I think that instead of 1111 00:51:50,440 --> 00:51:53,520 Speaker 1: letting fear take over, kind of flip it and be 1112 00:51:53,680 --> 00:51:58,279 Speaker 1: excited at the huge opportunity that you have in front 1113 00:51:58,280 --> 00:52:01,840 Speaker 1: of you to create like an epic life. 1114 00:52:03,360 --> 00:52:04,600 Speaker 2: That was so good. 1115 00:52:05,600 --> 00:52:07,960 Speaker 4: No, I love that that is a cliche, but you 1116 00:52:08,280 --> 00:52:10,120 Speaker 4: that's the way that you explained. It is a whole 1117 00:52:10,160 --> 00:52:11,720 Speaker 4: new way, and I love it. 1118 00:52:11,600 --> 00:52:12,640 Speaker 2: Like, can I even tell you? 1119 00:52:12,760 --> 00:52:14,640 Speaker 1: I vomited before I went on stage at the Melbourne 1120 00:52:14,640 --> 00:52:16,640 Speaker 1: Comedy Festival because I was so scared and I was. 1121 00:52:16,600 --> 00:52:19,120 Speaker 2: Like, I'm not even a comedian, How the shit did 1122 00:52:19,160 --> 00:52:19,640 Speaker 2: I get here? 1123 00:52:20,160 --> 00:52:22,600 Speaker 1: And when I was on stage, I was like, this 1124 00:52:22,640 --> 00:52:25,360 Speaker 1: is one of the best moments of my whole life. 1125 00:52:25,680 --> 00:52:28,399 Speaker 1: I can't believe I've spent the whole last week being 1126 00:52:28,480 --> 00:52:31,840 Speaker 1: like nauseously panicked. And I think that sometimes that takes 1127 00:52:31,880 --> 00:52:34,960 Speaker 1: away from the experience and instead of being so scared, 1128 00:52:34,960 --> 00:52:37,000 Speaker 1: like what's the worst thing that can go wrong? Someone 1129 00:52:37,040 --> 00:52:39,319 Speaker 1: doesn't laugh at a joke that you say, or you 1130 00:52:39,400 --> 00:52:41,160 Speaker 1: have to ask a manager for help because you stuff 1131 00:52:41,200 --> 00:52:41,560 Speaker 1: something up. 1132 00:52:41,560 --> 00:52:42,200 Speaker 2: In a new job. 1133 00:52:42,520 --> 00:52:44,719 Speaker 1: That's normal, that's life, and that's gonna happen, and no 1134 00:52:44,719 --> 00:52:45,880 Speaker 1: one's perfect in anything. 1135 00:52:47,000 --> 00:52:47,960 Speaker 2: That is so funny. 1136 00:52:48,000 --> 00:52:49,840 Speaker 4: And I was the exact same when I did my 1137 00:52:50,200 --> 00:52:52,960 Speaker 4: live podcast events. For some reason, it was the most 1138 00:52:53,000 --> 00:52:56,359 Speaker 4: nervous I had ever been. And then when I did them, 1139 00:52:56,440 --> 00:52:59,239 Speaker 4: I just thought, what the hell, Georgia, that was like 1140 00:52:59,400 --> 00:53:01,840 Speaker 4: the best experience. And I think it's usually if you 1141 00:53:01,960 --> 00:53:05,680 Speaker 4: do feel nervous and self doubt, it's usually because something 1142 00:53:05,719 --> 00:53:10,480 Speaker 4: amazing is about to happen. Exactly preach this amazing all right, thieves, 1143 00:53:10,480 --> 00:53:12,719 Speaker 4: Can you let the audience know where they can find 1144 00:53:12,840 --> 00:53:14,400 Speaker 4: you and your podcast? 1145 00:53:14,440 --> 00:53:17,239 Speaker 1: Pimp yourself out of course. I actually don't even know 1146 00:53:17,719 --> 00:53:20,880 Speaker 1: where do people listen to podcasts? If it's on Apple 1147 00:53:20,880 --> 00:53:23,719 Speaker 1: podcast I still listen on Apple podcasts, Confessions of a 1148 00:53:23,760 --> 00:53:26,680 Speaker 1: train Wreck, Spotify Confessions of a train Wreck. Wherever you 1149 00:53:26,680 --> 00:53:28,600 Speaker 1: listen to your podcast, just type in Confessions of a 1150 00:53:28,600 --> 00:53:29,080 Speaker 1: train Wreck. 1151 00:53:29,400 --> 00:53:29,960 Speaker 2: Amazing. 1152 00:53:30,480 --> 00:53:35,040 Speaker 4: Thank you so much, thank you for having me, And 1153 00:53:35,120 --> 00:53:38,160 Speaker 4: that is it for today's episode. Thank you so much 1154 00:53:38,200 --> 00:53:38,760 Speaker 4: for listening. 1155 00:53:38,880 --> 00:53:39,480 Speaker 2: I hope you. 1156 00:53:39,600 --> 00:53:44,120 Speaker 4: Enjoyed this chat. 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I'll chat to you in our next day. 1166 00:54:13,960 --> 00:54:17,920 Speaker 4: It was for me, there's no maybe, there's all the 1167 00:54:18,040 --> 00:54:20,320 Speaker 4: time before dreams. 1168 00:54:20,920 --> 00:54:21,759 Speaker 3: I hear the car 1169 00:54:24,200 --> 00:54:24,239 Speaker 4: And