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Speaker 1: Now, yesterday we spoke to the Chief Minister about the

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Speaker 1: Now joining me on the line is the Opposition leader

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Speaker 1: Selena Rubo. Good morning, Selena, Good morning Katy In.

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Speaker 2: Good morning to your listeners.

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Speaker 1: Now, I understand you've been in Alice Springs over recent days.

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Speaker 1: What was the purpose of that trip and who did

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Katie, I've come back from Alice Springs. Is down

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Speaker 2: They don't want finger pointing, they want to work together

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Speaker 1: Are there any of those you know, any of those

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think there's a lot to take in. Obviously

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Speaker 2: And i think similar to the you know, the horrible

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Speaker 1: We've really got to sort through these issues that we're experiencing,

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Speaker 1: I know that this morning on ABC News the Troll

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Speaker 2: I think those comments absolutely hit the nail on the

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Speaker 1: Now I know there is a full and thorough investigation

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Katie, and I've obviously seen those reports, but of

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Speaker 1: All right, I do want to move along because there

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Speaker 1: Are you worried at all about what it might mean

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Speaker 2: We know that, and then how does that fit in

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Speaker 2: So it'll be really interesting to see where this goes.

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Speaker 2: I can't will you anything.

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Speaker 1: We'll all be keeping a very close eye on it.

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Speaker 1: I think we'll all be keeping a very close eye, Selena.

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Speaker 1: Before I let you go this morning, a woman's in

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Speaker 1: reports of a female pedestrian running across Baggett Road near

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Speaker 1: But we've got a real issue at the moment in

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Speaker 1: terms of pedestrians being struck by vehicles, and unfortunately, in

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Speaker 1: many of these cases they're not being that pedestrian awareness

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Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, I've only just hearing this news now through you.

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Speaker 2: It's pretty devastating and unfortunately, we have seen an increase

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Speaker 2: you don't want to see any topic of accident or

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Speaker 2: indeed a pedestrian strike there. But I think there's a

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Speaker 2: to the numbers there. But I think there's some really

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Speaker 2: great work by the AA in t here in the NT.

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Speaker 2: We have the Road Safety Week just a few weeks

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Speaker 2: ago here in the NT, but more regular campaigns, not

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Speaker 2: I think also needs to be focused on King I.

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Speaker 1: Agree well Opposition leaders Selena Rubo. We are going to

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Speaker 1: have to leave it there. Thank you as always for

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Speaker 1: your time. We'll catch up with you again soon.

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Speaker 2: Thanks so much, Katie, thank you