WEBVTT - RHOBH - RECAP - WEEK 16 - ALANA MCLEAN 0:00:00.120 --> 0:00:01.680 It's in the news today, but it was actually on 0:00:01.720 --> 0:00:03.920 TV Reload the podcast last week that wight. 0:00:04.600 --> 0:00:06.840 Hey guys, welcome back to TV Reload. I want to 0:00:06.840 --> 0:00:09.440 thank you for clicking and downloading. On today's episode with 0:00:09.640 --> 0:00:13.280 Alana MacLean, the best person I know to discuss the 0:00:13.320 --> 0:00:17.240 most ridiculous aspects of the Real Housewives of any Land. 0:00:17.360 --> 0:00:19.840 Let me tell you, I'm actually pretty much obsessed with 0:00:19.920 --> 0:00:22.400 her at this point and she probably needs to get 0:00:22.480 --> 0:00:24.479 a restraining order on me, even though she lives in 0:00:24.520 --> 0:00:27.600 Perth and I live in Melbourne. We go deep on 0:00:27.640 --> 0:00:31.200 episode sixteen of Beverly Hills season fourteen, which is titled 0:00:31.240 --> 0:00:34.760 Sudden on Trial at Sea, which is an amazing name 0:00:34.800 --> 0:00:37.559 for this episode if you've seen it so and of 0:00:37.600 --> 0:00:39.159 course you should have seen it if you're listening to 0:00:39.240 --> 0:00:41.240 this podcast, otherwise you won't know what the hell we're 0:00:41.240 --> 0:00:44.879 talking about. We are so close to the reunion that 0:00:44.920 --> 0:00:48.080 I can even smell the boot polish on Andy Cohen's shoes. 0:00:48.560 --> 0:00:50.800 There is a lot to unpack and we are on 0:00:50.880 --> 0:00:53.640 at to be continued, which is so annoying if you 0:00:53.640 --> 0:00:55.880 ask me as we could have done with a sneak 0:00:55.920 --> 0:00:59.000 peek at the season finale. We will discuss the way 0:00:59.000 --> 0:01:01.560 in which Erica takes Sudden to task on that boat. 0:01:02.000 --> 0:01:05.399 I will get altest perspective on Bozeman's text messages to 0:01:05.480 --> 0:01:09.280 Kyle after seeing Moe with another woman. We will address 0:01:09.319 --> 0:01:12.080 the fact that Garcel and Sudden have had their first 0:01:12.080 --> 0:01:15.120 official fight. You are going to get plenty of chat 0:01:15.200 --> 0:01:18.160 on the girl's outfits, what we think of Kathy Hilton 0:01:18.120 --> 0:01:21.440 as lackluster glam, and of course I should address the 0:01:21.480 --> 0:01:23.560 fact that one of us is going to give this 0:01:23.600 --> 0:01:27.000 episode a five out of five. There's actually so much 0:01:27.000 --> 0:01:29.959 to talk about, with so many inside revelations, So guys 0:01:30.120 --> 0:01:32.920 sit back and relax as we unpack the wonderful world 0:01:32.920 --> 0:01:36.200 of the Real Housewives of Beverly Hills Season fourteen, episode 0:01:36.240 --> 0:01:39.399 sixteen joined as my stomach rumbled and I was like, 0:01:39.400 --> 0:01:40.440 oh God, thank god she's not. 0:01:40.400 --> 0:01:42.720 On the n I feel like when we start these 0:01:42.760 --> 0:01:45.600 podcasts sometimes it's like when Kathy Hilton's on the FaceTime, 0:01:45.640 --> 0:01:49.240 She's like hello, and she like their ears on the FaceTime. 0:01:49.520 --> 0:01:50.280 Yeah, yeah, that's me. 0:01:50.440 --> 0:01:53.040 Are we're working? Is it working? Is that working? Can 0:01:53.080 --> 0:01:53.480 you hear me? 0:01:53.680 --> 0:01:53.920 Do you know? 0:01:53.960 --> 0:01:56.120 Why should last? I mean, where's your line? 0:01:56.160 --> 0:01:56.840 Well it's here. 0:01:57.080 --> 0:01:59.840 Oh oh, you're just from the bottle into the studio. 0:02:01.000 --> 0:02:03.240 Sorry, we'll preface this by just saying it is a 0:02:03.280 --> 0:02:04.720 Friday afternoon, Like. 0:02:04.760 --> 0:02:06.320 You don't normally get to do this, and I've got it. 0:02:06.440 --> 0:02:09.080 We don't normally we're sitting here with coffees, but I 0:02:09.320 --> 0:02:11.000 just feel like today it's needed. 0:02:11.080 --> 0:02:15.160 Wherever you are, just enjoy, just enjoy this slightly looser addition. 0:02:15.560 --> 0:02:19.400 So this week we have boarded the boat of Sutton's undoing. 0:02:19.400 --> 0:02:22.160 Oh and hasn't it been about time? 0:02:23.000 --> 0:02:25.760 Joo joob chop choob does that what a boat does? 0:02:25.800 --> 0:02:30.160 So it's more train that's trained already. What about this? 0:02:32.680 --> 0:02:34.679 Like that nailed it now. 0:02:35.520 --> 0:02:40.840 I just loved this episode so much, not just because 0:02:40.840 --> 0:02:43.000 of the Sutton I'm doing, but I just felt like 0:02:43.400 --> 0:02:45.760 it had everything that we've been searching. 0:02:45.400 --> 0:02:46.600 For this whole season. 0:02:46.840 --> 0:02:49.240 For me, I just was like, this is it, this 0:02:49.280 --> 0:02:51.720 is the pocket, this is great. I felt like we 0:02:51.720 --> 0:02:54.600 were building towards the crescendo, but there was yeah, I 0:02:54.600 --> 0:02:56.079 mean there was a lot to unpack there. 0:02:56.080 --> 0:02:57.000 Where do you want to start? 0:02:57.200 --> 0:02:58.680 Well, we kind of knew what we were in for 0:02:58.760 --> 0:03:01.560 because when they started, they really backtracked to the start 0:03:01.560 --> 0:03:04.320 of the season, and they showed us every single dot point. 0:03:04.440 --> 0:03:08.600 They gave us the douseer of Sudden's craziness. And you know, 0:03:08.880 --> 0:03:11.400 we are not the biggest Sutton fans, and if anyone's 0:03:11.440 --> 0:03:13.800 listening to the podcast, people might even accuse us of 0:03:13.840 --> 0:03:16.600 being not a fan at all. To be fair, we've tried. 0:03:16.840 --> 0:03:19.120 I feel like I've tried, I know, but. 0:03:19.520 --> 0:03:21.160 They showed us all of these things, and now it 0:03:21.200 --> 0:03:23.320 makes me like the penny dropped even more. I was like, 0:03:23.440 --> 0:03:26.680 are you kidding me? Like this season Sudden has been 0:03:26.680 --> 0:03:27.560 a real disaster. 0:03:27.880 --> 0:03:31.440 I just feel like this is her DNA And I 0:03:31.600 --> 0:03:34.240 was just that moment, not to go too far into it, 0:03:34.280 --> 0:03:37.480 but that moment with Eerica where she was like, this 0:03:37.560 --> 0:03:40.000 is what I've observed. And then they rolled back all 0:03:40.040 --> 0:03:43.720 the tapes and these editors have really gone to work, honey. 0:03:43.960 --> 0:03:47.400 On the archived footage, there was stuff from like four 0:03:47.480 --> 0:03:50.000 years ago, three years ago, to. 0:03:50.080 --> 0:03:52.200 Women that are going through the worst time in their life. 0:03:52.240 --> 0:03:53.440 I felt it with myself. 0:03:53.800 --> 0:03:56.480 The car accident story, which you told everybody that he 0:03:56.520 --> 0:03:58.840 had broken his foot or something, and that's dripped. 0:03:58.960 --> 0:04:00.800 How can I believe every single thing? 0:04:01.520 --> 0:04:03.680 What the do you think I'm doing. 0:04:04.360 --> 0:04:06.760 I watched you do it to Kyle, and is there 0:04:06.840 --> 0:04:09.280 something going on in your personal life that she would 0:04:09.320 --> 0:04:13.000 like to share with, Like what your marriage, you haven't 0:04:13.000 --> 0:04:15.160 been wearing your wedding ring. All of these things kind 0:04:15.160 --> 0:04:16.840 of add up, and I'm watching you. 0:04:16.800 --> 0:04:17.640 Do it to read. 0:04:18.120 --> 0:04:21.120 Listen, you're angry, and you're not angry at me, You're 0:04:21.120 --> 0:04:22.120 angry at your life. 0:04:22.440 --> 0:04:25.120 Oh you pause as a friend. 0:04:26.760 --> 0:04:30.080 And then oftentimes work as an enemy. 0:04:30.240 --> 0:04:33.440 Adding all of that in was like the Salt Lake City, 0:04:33.520 --> 0:04:37.920 the proof receipts, timeline screenshots. It was that in a nutshell, 0:04:38.160 --> 0:04:41.040 and for her to bring it up so calmly, She's 0:04:41.200 --> 0:04:44.200 waited like a crocodile for her moment, and she's been 0:04:44.279 --> 0:04:47.080 calm and she's watched from the surface, and then she 0:04:47.480 --> 0:04:51.240 just launched and death rolled her like she was like, 0:04:51.320 --> 0:04:54.800 here's all the facts here, there are, here's all the supporting, 0:04:55.000 --> 0:04:58.240 you know, arguments. She's been holding onto that info and 0:04:58.279 --> 0:05:00.400 then she just dropped it in the life and it 0:05:00.400 --> 0:05:01.800 was a bit of a mic drop moment, and I 0:05:01.880 --> 0:05:04.240 felt for her. She must have felt very vindicated in 0:05:04.279 --> 0:05:04.760 that moment. 0:05:04.960 --> 0:05:07.240 She I mean, the thing that you said there, which 0:05:07.279 --> 0:05:10.120 is so true she'd been sitting on that sideline, you know, gathering. 0:05:10.520 --> 0:05:14.560 You know, she had plenty of other opportunities to say things. 0:05:14.720 --> 0:05:17.440 And what I also liked about it was that she 0:05:17.600 --> 0:05:18.760 owned it herself. 0:05:19.920 --> 0:05:23.119 Well, I mean, these three women, there's a very very 0:05:23.160 --> 0:05:26.080 strong statement. Well it's a true statement for me and 0:05:26.279 --> 0:05:29.080 what I've observed for the last few years, and that's 0:05:29.160 --> 0:05:30.240 my observation. 0:05:31.400 --> 0:05:34.320 I thought that when she said no, no, that's my opinion, 0:05:34.600 --> 0:05:37.279 you know, and didn't back down on it, she almost 0:05:37.400 --> 0:05:39.839 was the best person in the group to really jump 0:05:39.920 --> 0:05:42.279 in and say something she didn't. I think she handled 0:05:42.279 --> 0:05:44.920 it without all of the extra emotion that had direte 0:05:45.040 --> 0:05:47.720 A gasel A Kyle or anyone else would have had 0:05:47.839 --> 0:05:50.200 to try and approach Sutton. And if you watch in 0:05:50.200 --> 0:05:52.760 the background, Kathy Hilton, Kathy Hilton's looking at something like 0:05:52.800 --> 0:05:56.920 she's a foreign animal from a difference. But also, I mean, 0:05:57.040 --> 0:05:59.520 let's just say that Kathy Hilton also thinks that most 0:05:59.520 --> 0:06:01.840 of the girls there on the trip the weight staff. 0:06:01.880 --> 0:06:06.200 So I know, with her, where's my salad dressing? I 0:06:06.240 --> 0:06:07.760 think she's not quite sure who I am. 0:06:09.400 --> 0:06:11.680 Kathy doesn't care who you are if you're with an 0:06:11.720 --> 0:06:13.560 earshot she's gonna ask you if you do get me this, 0:06:13.680 --> 0:06:14.320 could you get me that? 0:06:14.640 --> 0:06:15.279 Could you handle this? 0:06:15.320 --> 0:06:15.919 Good? Handle that? 0:06:17.040 --> 0:06:18.000 Yeah, I just thought with. 0:06:18.120 --> 0:06:21.839 Erica, you know that was the wife of a lawyer, 0:06:22.320 --> 0:06:25.279 Like she has picked up everything that you need to 0:06:25.279 --> 0:06:29.520 do to lay your argument out without you know, adrenaline 0:06:29.560 --> 0:06:33.200 fueled screaming. She was very calm about it, but she 0:06:33.320 --> 0:06:38.000 had conviction and she Yeah, I just felt like it 0:06:38.080 --> 0:06:40.960 just really landed because of that, And she picked her moment. 0:06:41.160 --> 0:06:43.280 She was like, we're all here on a boat. No 0:06:43.320 --> 0:06:45.440 one can get off, you know, and storm off. 0:06:45.680 --> 0:06:46.159 We know that. 0:06:46.160 --> 0:06:49.279 We've seen that from Sutton several times. Even though she 0:06:49.600 --> 0:06:51.440 you know, made a big song and dance when Kyle 0:06:51.480 --> 0:06:53.240 did it, She's done it many a time before. 0:06:53.360 --> 0:06:55.040 And she was like, we're here, we're on the water. 0:06:55.400 --> 0:06:55.960 Now's the time. 0:06:56.000 --> 0:06:58.200 I'm going to drop this information and we're going to 0:06:58.240 --> 0:06:59.279 put it out there and we're going to have a 0:06:59.279 --> 0:07:02.800 real conversation about it. And you know the fact that 0:07:03.120 --> 0:07:06.599 no one in that group paying to her defense, not 0:07:06.720 --> 0:07:10.040 even Garcel, which will get into in a moment, what 0:07:10.040 --> 0:07:12.360 what a moment she was really on her own island. 0:07:12.600 --> 0:07:15.120 Well, I think she slowly backed herself into a corner 0:07:15.120 --> 0:07:17.160 with sort of the people. Instead of doing what I 0:07:17.200 --> 0:07:20.280 think other housewives have done, especially Kyle Richards, and gather 0:07:20.320 --> 0:07:24.280 people on her side ready for confrontation, Sutton had really 0:07:24.280 --> 0:07:26.560 alienated everybody. By the time she was there, she didn't 0:07:26.560 --> 0:07:29.240 even have Garcel. This was the first time we've even 0:07:29.280 --> 0:07:32.040 seen Garcel and Sudden have a proper fight, and I 0:07:32.160 --> 0:07:35.080 was like, this to me, has been a long time coming. 0:07:35.200 --> 0:07:37.600 I mean, we saw some cracks and friendships in this episode, 0:07:37.640 --> 0:07:43.320 even Bose, you know, not necessarily blindly supporting to also 0:07:43.480 --> 0:07:46.440 really fascinating. But the thing that was the most subtle 0:07:46.560 --> 0:07:49.600 about this episode, which left a bad taste in my mouth, 0:07:49.800 --> 0:07:53.280 was who is more obsessed with Kyle Richards, Sutton or Garcel? 0:07:53.400 --> 0:07:58.320 Because Garcell's obsession with Sutton's relationship with Kyle Richards is 0:07:58.360 --> 0:08:00.800 starting to make her look like she's got the problem. 0:08:01.280 --> 0:08:06.480 Garcel, Sutton Kyle triangle of it all is so interesting. 0:08:06.760 --> 0:08:10.320 First of all, Garcel, even just realizing some of this, 0:08:10.680 --> 0:08:13.440 I just I thought she went up fifty notches in 0:08:13.440 --> 0:08:16.320 my book, because I remember when Erica had that sit 0:08:16.400 --> 0:08:19.000 down with Garcel a few seasons ago and she said, 0:08:19.080 --> 0:08:20.960 I think you've got to be careful with Sutton. I 0:08:20.960 --> 0:08:23.920 think she's a liability for you. And she did not 0:08:24.000 --> 0:08:26.240 get it. She really was like, I don't understand what 0:08:26.280 --> 0:08:28.640 you mean. Why is everyone so hard on her? And 0:08:28.720 --> 0:08:31.160 now it's like she's getting it, But I think she's 0:08:31.200 --> 0:08:33.240 only got it because she's been a little bit left 0:08:33.240 --> 0:08:36.320 by the wayside. And when Sutton had that moment where 0:08:36.440 --> 0:08:38.240 Kyle stepped in and said. 0:08:38.040 --> 0:08:40.240 Whatever, and she goes, I knew it. 0:08:40.480 --> 0:08:43.120 I knew it, and she was in a confessional acting 0:08:43.200 --> 0:08:46.480 like she'd won a million dollars. I was like, oh 0:08:46.520 --> 0:08:49.400 my god, babe, like, you're a fifty something year. 0:08:49.240 --> 0:08:55.040 Old woman, Kyle stepping up for me. See, I knew 0:08:55.040 --> 0:08:59.880 we were friends. I knew it, and now everybody does. 0:09:01.200 --> 0:09:04.280 The validation that she needs from Kyle is just off 0:09:04.320 --> 0:09:07.400 the chart. So the fact that Garcel found her line 0:09:07.760 --> 0:09:10.440 and she was like, I'm pissed off with this. I've 0:09:10.440 --> 0:09:13.200 been there for this woman. She hasn't backed me up. 0:09:13.559 --> 0:09:17.240 Now you know here it is the silence says it all, 0:09:17.600 --> 0:09:19.600 and that is what you know on the boat. 0:09:19.679 --> 0:09:21.080 That's exactly how it played out. 0:09:21.360 --> 0:09:23.800 Yeah, I mean, it was definitely what did Jennifer con 0:09:23.960 --> 0:09:24.840 I'm not count Connie. 0:09:24.960 --> 0:09:27.480 Oh no, I want's kicking in oh ing ding ding? 0:09:27.559 --> 0:09:28.959 What do we have for her? Johnny. 0:09:30.360 --> 0:09:33.480 Jennifer Tilly also was really interesting, I thought with her 0:09:33.559 --> 0:09:35.280 observation of this. I mean, she was the one who 0:09:35.320 --> 0:09:38.040 said boat from Hell? What is it this week? On? 0:09:38.440 --> 0:09:39.760 Bit crazy from Hell? 0:09:39.960 --> 0:09:43.280 Yeah? Yeah, she was like, oh, but she's nutty as well, 0:09:43.440 --> 0:09:46.000 So let's not flip a coin over this. Are we 0:09:46.080 --> 0:09:48.080 settling at this point? Are we taking our chips to 0:09:48.080 --> 0:09:50.480 the bar and settling on who's the kookiest and craziest 0:09:50.480 --> 0:09:52.240 out of Kathy Hilton and Jennifer Tilly. 0:09:52.520 --> 0:09:56.280 I just think they're both not as cooky and quirky 0:09:56.559 --> 0:10:00.400 as what they are made out to be so times 0:10:00.400 --> 0:10:03.480 on this show. I've seen a preview for next week's episode. 0:10:03.720 --> 0:10:05.720 Oh no, there's a preview bit. 0:10:05.600 --> 0:10:08.679 And Jennifer Tilly is sitting separately with Sutton on the 0:10:08.760 --> 0:10:11.720 yacht and she's like, look, I understand all these women's points, 0:10:11.880 --> 0:10:14.920 but Sutton's my friend. So basically was basically saying I 0:10:15.000 --> 0:10:17.199 have to go sit with her, and then she says, 0:10:17.240 --> 0:10:19.839 it just astounds me. These women hate you so much. 0:10:20.000 --> 0:10:22.040 And I think the penny is dropping for her a 0:10:22.040 --> 0:10:24.280 little bit as well, Like it was with Bow's where 0:10:24.320 --> 0:10:26.200 she said, you know, I haven't seen this side of 0:10:26.240 --> 0:10:29.959 Sutton before, and now I'm seeing it. And that's what 0:10:30.000 --> 0:10:33.640 the boat episodes always seem to do. It exposes people, 0:10:33.960 --> 0:10:34.760 know what to run. 0:10:34.960 --> 0:10:38.640 Know where to hide. Correct What about it overboard Jennifer's 0:10:38.640 --> 0:10:42.160 confession about applying makeup and hopping back into bed. 0:10:42.320 --> 0:10:44.760 Is that the oh I've done that, I've done that. 0:10:45.080 --> 0:10:47.800 Don't think, Oh, maybe I've done it with Robbie in 0:10:47.800 --> 0:10:49.320 the early days, but I have done. 0:10:49.080 --> 0:10:52.080 That before yet out But you didn't breakfast radio with 0:10:52.120 --> 0:10:53.720 your husband before you got together. 0:10:54.120 --> 0:10:57.680 Like yeah, but even like people can't believe that. Even 0:10:57.720 --> 0:10:59.840 in radio, I go in with a full face of 0:10:59.840 --> 0:11:02.320 my cup and a heel and it's like quarter to 0:11:02.360 --> 0:11:05.079 five in the morning, Like, but I've just always done that. 0:11:05.280 --> 0:11:09.240 I would never Oh my god, it's probably a sign 0:11:09.280 --> 0:11:11.280 of a little bit of insecurity. But yes, not a 0:11:11.320 --> 0:11:13.440 full face like she said, you did a full face, 0:11:13.520 --> 0:11:16.360 but I've done a little slick of foundation and a 0:11:16.400 --> 0:11:17.640 little bronze or something. 0:11:17.720 --> 0:11:18.600 I've definitely done that. 0:11:18.880 --> 0:11:21.280 What about being naked in front of your husband, because 0:11:21.520 --> 0:11:24.559 I'm pretty sure that Ben and I gave out years 0:11:24.640 --> 0:11:27.760 like we were like straight into nudity, like as in, oh, well, 0:11:27.800 --> 0:11:30.800 who cares? Even as we've gotten to our forties and 0:11:30.840 --> 0:11:33.360 our bodies do not look great. They actually look like 0:11:33.360 --> 0:11:36.160 a couple of balloons have been cut from the Thanksgiving 0:11:36.240 --> 0:11:39.880 Day parade and have floated away. We are we are nude? 0:11:39.920 --> 0:11:40.760 Like are you nude? 0:11:41.280 --> 0:11:45.120 No, I'm not nude. Who are these knockers? 0:11:45.280 --> 0:11:45.439 Oh? 0:11:45.440 --> 0:11:47.640 They're too big? They need a bra? You know what 0:11:47.720 --> 0:11:48.080 I mean? 0:11:48.520 --> 0:11:51.760 Like he probably likes that this is now counseling session, toy. 0:11:52.280 --> 0:11:54.760 No, I just know I've never been a nude person. 0:11:55.080 --> 0:11:56.760 What about the bubbles in the bath where you do 0:11:56.800 --> 0:11:58.680 the bubble bra? Do you do that to try? And 0:11:59.120 --> 0:12:00.960 which is what Jennifer till he was saying she was 0:12:01.000 --> 0:12:01.840 making the top bar. 0:12:01.880 --> 0:12:03.120 I've done a nice bubble bath. 0:12:03.160 --> 0:12:05.360 I do like a good bath with some candles and 0:12:06.000 --> 0:12:07.160 some nice products and stuff. 0:12:07.200 --> 0:12:09.200 So I've done that. But you know, I mean, to 0:12:09.240 --> 0:12:09.920 each their own. 0:12:10.200 --> 0:12:11.880 I feel like you've got to find your own line 0:12:11.920 --> 0:12:14.240 with that, and you just dance away with that line. 0:12:14.360 --> 0:12:15.439 You dance away with it. 0:12:15.640 --> 0:12:17.240 Oh. One of the other things I put down as 0:12:17.240 --> 0:12:19.120 a note and just forgive us for going all over 0:12:19.160 --> 0:12:21.200 the place, was you know what I liked in this 0:12:21.240 --> 0:12:24.200 episode was the term mean spirited? Do you use the 0:12:24.280 --> 0:12:26.920 term mean spirited when you're talking about things? Because that's 0:12:26.960 --> 0:12:30.360 in my vocap it's on high rotation for me. 0:12:30.440 --> 0:12:32.000 Do you have the wine before we got on or 0:12:32.120 --> 0:12:32.920 is this your first one? 0:12:33.000 --> 0:12:34.480 I haven't even had a sip of it yet. This 0:12:34.559 --> 0:12:36.920 is a problem. It's the problem. 0:12:37.080 --> 0:12:39.240 Well, I think you need to take a sip meant 0:12:39.360 --> 0:12:43.280 spirited to read has used before she used it. You 0:12:43.320 --> 0:12:45.440 can go back through the archives and find the clips 0:12:45.480 --> 0:12:49.040 for this. She's used it when she was talking about Erica. 0:12:49.559 --> 0:12:53.440 When Erica went on stage at bravocon is that wine horrendus? 0:12:53.800 --> 0:12:56.120 You just usually scrunched up your whole face? And she 0:12:56.160 --> 0:12:59.200 went on BRAVOCN and said, who's the next break up? 0:12:59.400 --> 0:13:02.720 She said in PK she said that was very mean spirited, 0:13:02.800 --> 0:13:04.640 And she used that word a lot. 0:13:04.800 --> 0:13:06.959 I love mean spirited. I think it's fine. I think 0:13:07.000 --> 0:13:08.960 it's a nice way to say something. It's not like 0:13:09.280 --> 0:13:12.120 you were being a cunt. You're like being mean spirited, 0:13:12.200 --> 0:13:14.199 you know. And I used it in a text message 0:13:14.200 --> 0:13:16.400 once with a girlfriend who I never ever heard from 0:13:16.440 --> 0:13:19.080 ever again. And she went around and said to everyone, 0:13:19.120 --> 0:13:22.160 he called me mean spirited, and I defended that till 0:13:22.200 --> 0:13:23.360 the cows came home. 0:13:23.440 --> 0:13:25.240 I was like, I could have said worse ter. 0:13:25.720 --> 0:13:29.360 Yeah, shed she organized her birthday and invited everybody except 0:13:29.440 --> 0:13:33.000 me and included inviting my partner Ben, And I said, 0:13:33.000 --> 0:13:34.720 I thought that was a little bit mean spirited. 0:13:35.040 --> 0:13:36.000 Yeah that is. 0:13:36.400 --> 0:13:37.880 That is mean spirited, and you. 0:13:37.800 --> 0:13:39.600 Should have said something a lot worse than that. 0:13:40.040 --> 0:13:42.000 Yes, exactly right. Well, let me tell you she didn't 0:13:42.080 --> 0:13:45.040 like that mean spirited word. So, and we're not speaking, 0:13:45.240 --> 0:13:47.120 but I think it's a great term. I think it's 0:13:47.120 --> 0:13:49.320 a great way of being able to say I don't 0:13:49.320 --> 0:13:50.959 think your intentions were kind. 0:13:51.280 --> 0:13:55.440 Yes, And I think when Dart is in that place 0:13:55.520 --> 0:13:58.720 where she's not raising her voice and sort of coming 0:13:58.760 --> 0:14:02.240 across as a little bit, I think she's very eloquent. 0:14:02.320 --> 0:14:06.000 And I think she delivers her messages well. Even when 0:14:06.160 --> 0:14:08.440 Sutton baited her and she was like, maybe if I 0:14:08.520 --> 0:14:11.440 talk in an English accent, it'll get through to you more, 0:14:11.520 --> 0:14:12.320 and she goes. 0:14:12.200 --> 0:14:16.280 Maybe again, you need to actually speak English so I 0:14:16.320 --> 0:14:21.720 can understand. Please, Okay, maybe if I speak an English 0:14:21.800 --> 0:14:23.160 accent it will work better me. 0:14:24.960 --> 0:14:28.120 Maybe, But like she could have been like, oh, well, 0:14:28.160 --> 0:14:29.840 now you're mocking me and this and that. 0:14:29.840 --> 0:14:31.680 And she could have flown off the handle, but she. 0:14:31.760 --> 0:14:35.920 Actually manages to stay quite controlled, quite measured in a 0:14:35.920 --> 0:14:38.840 lot of these arguments in the face of a lot of, 0:14:39.080 --> 0:14:42.320 you know, excessive noise that's happening around her. And I 0:14:42.400 --> 0:14:44.720 think she does pretty well with that for the most part. 0:14:44.960 --> 0:14:47.920 She only goes there when other people go there. I 0:14:47.920 --> 0:14:51.440 do believe that. I feel like she only really escalates 0:14:51.440 --> 0:14:53.760 her voice when other people start yelling at her. 0:14:54.120 --> 0:14:57.080 Do you find that with sudden you know, she jumps 0:14:57.120 --> 0:14:59.800 in and says that she was being beaten with a stick. 0:15:00.040 --> 0:15:01.600 Oh my god, am I going to get beaten with 0:15:01.640 --> 0:15:03.400 a stick now? 0:15:03.480 --> 0:15:05.680 I'm not hid a hand on the marble. No, because 0:15:05.760 --> 0:15:08.000 you know what I'm not going to do. By y'all, 0:15:08.360 --> 0:15:11.040 I'm not going to do this again. We're not going 0:15:11.120 --> 0:15:13.280 to beat me with a stick. Nobody's beating you. But 0:15:13.280 --> 0:15:13.840 we're learning. 0:15:14.440 --> 0:15:18.520 You cannot cannot turn and become a victim every time. 0:15:18.760 --> 0:15:20.320 Don't tell me what I can and cannot do. 0:15:21.320 --> 0:15:23.520 I feel like she says those over the top things 0:15:23.640 --> 0:15:26.080 so that she deflects from the confrontation, or she puts 0:15:26.120 --> 0:15:28.360 words into it to make the other person look far 0:15:28.440 --> 0:15:31.360 more villainous. No one had to stick out. Lady. You've 0:15:31.400 --> 0:15:34.880 literally antagonized people for sixteen episodes, and now people are 0:15:34.920 --> 0:15:37.040 not actually being that cruel to you. They're just saying 0:15:37.200 --> 0:15:40.240 you're a little bit mean spirited, Like, yeah, everyone is 0:15:40.440 --> 0:15:43.240 very measured. What do you think about Sutton's tactic of 0:15:43.360 --> 0:15:46.760 trying to put the situation into a heightened level of 0:15:46.800 --> 0:15:49.800 her being the victim and the women being the aggressives. 0:15:50.200 --> 0:15:53.280 Well, that's her emo, and we've seen that many times, 0:15:53.360 --> 0:15:55.880 and she turns it around on herself. She becomes a 0:15:55.960 --> 0:15:59.240 victim and she gets very upset with it. And you 0:15:59.280 --> 0:16:01.600 know the other thing that she said, and I was like, aha, 0:16:01.680 --> 0:16:04.760 now she's just repeating the same deflective pattern. Is when 0:16:04.800 --> 0:16:07.960 she starts yelling out, pick on somebody else, pick on 0:16:08.080 --> 0:16:11.760 somebody else. We already saw that two episodes ago, after 0:16:11.800 --> 0:16:12.800 the big wallet comment. 0:16:13.120 --> 0:16:14.680 She was like, pick on somebody else. 0:16:14.880 --> 0:16:17.960 So she doesn't care if someone else is getting, actually, 0:16:18.040 --> 0:16:20.800 to quote her picked on. She just doesn't want it 0:16:20.840 --> 0:16:21.320 to be her. 0:16:21.760 --> 0:16:23.560 I think she doesn't want it to be her. But 0:16:23.680 --> 0:16:26.680 what kind of person has no idea that they are 0:16:26.680 --> 0:16:29.480 the problem in the first place, that they're the aggressor 0:16:29.520 --> 0:16:32.520 they're the person who started it. And in this season 0:16:32.960 --> 0:16:36.480 eight times out of ten, which is high. Certain problems 0:16:36.480 --> 0:16:38.360 that she has with other women actually stem back to 0:16:38.360 --> 0:16:39.720 stuff that she started herself. 0:16:40.080 --> 0:16:43.520 Yeah, and I think it was so spot on. It 0:16:43.560 --> 0:16:46.360 was so astute of Erica when she said what you 0:16:46.400 --> 0:16:49.040 do is this, and she gave examples, and she said, 0:16:49.040 --> 0:16:51.240 you bring people in you say, oh my god, you're 0:16:51.240 --> 0:16:51.960 having a problem. 0:16:52.160 --> 0:16:54.040 You can lean on me. I'll be a friend. 0:16:54.080 --> 0:16:56.680 They rolled back the tape when she gave you know, 0:16:56.920 --> 0:16:59.760 Erica the care package at the day sparcelon there was 0:16:59.800 --> 0:17:03.200 this seeing that we saw, you know, at the beginning 0:17:03.240 --> 0:17:05.280 of the season, where she sat down with Durey. She's like, 0:17:05.320 --> 0:17:08.680 I know what you're going through. I was also a divorcee. 0:17:08.119 --> 0:17:10.040 With young children. I want you to know you can 0:17:10.119 --> 0:17:10.840 lean on me a bit. 0:17:11.040 --> 0:17:14.080 And then she flips the table and there's just so 0:17:14.240 --> 0:17:17.800 many examples of this happening now. So I think she 0:17:17.920 --> 0:17:20.359 just when she was confronted with cold, hard facts, she 0:17:20.440 --> 0:17:22.359 could not deal with it. She has to take it 0:17:22.400 --> 0:17:24.879 to a heightened place, as you say, to try and 0:17:24.960 --> 0:17:26.160 wriggle herself out of it. 0:17:26.359 --> 0:17:27.680 And then we. 0:17:27.720 --> 0:17:31.480 Got the hot Mike moment where she was saying whatever 0:17:31.520 --> 0:17:34.720 she was saying about those women, which was very derogatory. 0:17:35.119 --> 0:17:38.399 She was clumping them all in together, and it really 0:17:38.440 --> 0:17:41.440 showed what she thinks of everyone. That she is up here, 0:17:41.720 --> 0:17:44.240 they are down there, and they should be so goddamn 0:17:44.320 --> 0:17:46.520 lucky is to be hanging out with someone who gets 0:17:46.520 --> 0:17:49.120 three hundred and fifty thousand dollars a month from their 0:17:49.160 --> 0:17:52.480 ex husband and I should be only in elite circles. 0:17:52.800 --> 0:17:54.199 What do you reckon? The ex husband has to say 0:17:54.240 --> 0:17:55.760