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Speaker 2: Hey guys, welcome back to TV Reload. I want to
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Speaker 2: Alana MacLean, the best person I know to discuss the
Speaker 2: most ridiculous aspects of the Real Housewives of any Land.
Speaker 2: Let me tell you, I'm actually pretty much obsessed with
Speaker 2: her at this point and she probably needs to get
Speaker 2: a restraining order on me, even though she lives in
Speaker 2: Perth and I live in Melbourne. We go deep on
Speaker 2: episode sixteen of Beverly Hills season fourteen, which is titled
Speaker 2: Sudden on Trial at Sea, which is an amazing name
Speaker 2: for this episode if you've seen it so and of
Speaker 2: course you should have seen it if you're listening to
Speaker 2: this podcast, otherwise you won't know what the hell we're
Speaker 2: talking about. We are so close to the reunion that
Speaker 2: I can even smell the boot polish on Andy Cohen's shoes.
Speaker 2: There is a lot to unpack and we are on
Speaker 2: at to be continued, which is so annoying if you
Speaker 2: ask me as we could have done with a sneak
Speaker 2: peek at the season finale. We will discuss the way
Speaker 2: in which Erica takes Sudden to task on that boat.
Speaker 2: I will get altest perspective on Bozeman's text messages to
Speaker 2: Kyle after seeing Moe with another woman. We will address
Speaker 2: the fact that Garcel and Sudden have had their first
Speaker 2: official fight. You are going to get plenty of chat
Speaker 2: on the girl's outfits, what we think of Kathy Hilton
Speaker 2: as lackluster glam, and of course I should address the
Speaker 2: fact that one of us is going to give this
Speaker 2: episode a five out of five. There's actually so much
Speaker 2: to talk about, with so many inside revelations, So guys
Speaker 2: sit back and relax as we unpack the wonderful world
Speaker 2: of the Real Housewives of Beverly Hills Season fourteen, episode
Speaker 2: sixteen joined as my stomach rumbled and I was like,
Speaker 2: oh God, thank god she's not.
Speaker 1: On the n I feel like when we start these
Speaker 1: podcasts sometimes it's like when Kathy Hilton's on the FaceTime,
Speaker 1: She's like hello, and she like their ears on the FaceTime.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that's me.
Speaker 3: Are we're working? Is it working? Is that working? Can
Speaker 3: you hear me?
Speaker 1: Do you know?
Speaker 3: Why should last? I mean, where's your line?
Speaker 2: Well it's here.
Speaker 3: Oh oh, you're just from the bottle into the studio.
Speaker 1: Sorry, we'll preface this by just saying it is a
Speaker 1: Friday afternoon, Like.
Speaker 2: You don't normally get to do this, and I've got it.
Speaker 1: We don't normally we're sitting here with coffees, but I
Speaker 1: just feel like today it's needed.
Speaker 3: Wherever you are, just enjoy, just enjoy this slightly looser addition.
Speaker 2: So this week we have boarded the boat of Sutton's undoing.
Speaker 1: Oh and hasn't it been about time?
Speaker 3: Joo joob chop choob does that what a boat does?
Speaker 3: So it's more train that's trained already. What about this?
Speaker 3: Like that nailed it now.
Speaker 1: I just loved this episode so much, not just because
Speaker 1: of the Sutton I'm doing, but I just felt like
Speaker 1: it had everything that we've been searching.
Speaker 3: For this whole season.
Speaker 1: For me, I just was like, this is it, this
Speaker 1: is the pocket, this is great. I felt like we
Speaker 1: were building towards the crescendo, but there was yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean there was a lot to unpack there.
Speaker 3: Where do you want to start?
Speaker 2: Well, we kind of knew what we were in for
Speaker 2: because when they started, they really backtracked to the start
Speaker 2: of the season, and they showed us every single dot point.
Speaker 2: They gave us the douseer of Sudden's craziness. And you know,
Speaker 2: we are not the biggest Sutton fans, and if anyone's
Speaker 2: listening to the podcast, people might even accuse us of
Speaker 2: being not a fan at all. To be fair, we've tried.
Speaker 3: I feel like I've tried, I know, but.
Speaker 2: They showed us all of these things, and now it
Speaker 2: makes me like the penny dropped even more. I was like,
Speaker 2: are you kidding me? Like this season Sudden has been
Speaker 2: a real disaster.
Speaker 1: I just feel like this is her DNA And I
Speaker 1: was just that moment, not to go too far into it,
Speaker 1: but that moment with Eerica where she was like, this
Speaker 1: is what I've observed. And then they rolled back all
Speaker 1: the tapes and these editors have really gone to work, honey.
Speaker 1: On the archived footage, there was stuff from like four
Speaker 1: years ago, three years ago, to.
Speaker 2: Women that are going through the worst time in their life.
Speaker 3: I felt it with myself.
Speaker 4: The car accident story, which you told everybody that he
Speaker 4: had broken his foot or something, and that's dripped.
Speaker 3: How can I believe every single thing?
Speaker 2: What the do you think I'm doing.
Speaker 4: I watched you do it to Kyle, and is there
Speaker 4: something going on in your personal life that she would
Speaker 4: like to share with, Like what your marriage, you haven't
Speaker 4: been wearing your wedding ring. All of these things kind
Speaker 4: of add up, and I'm watching you.
Speaker 3: Do it to read.
Speaker 4: Listen, you're angry, and you're not angry at me, You're
Speaker 4: angry at your life.
Speaker 2: Oh you pause as a friend.
Speaker 4: And then oftentimes work as an enemy.
Speaker 1: Adding all of that in was like the Salt Lake City,
Speaker 1: the proof receipts, timeline screenshots. It was that in a nutshell,
Speaker 1: and for her to bring it up so calmly, She's
Speaker 1: waited like a crocodile for her moment, and she's been
Speaker 1: calm and she's watched from the surface, and then she
Speaker 1: just launched and death rolled her like she was like,
Speaker 1: here's all the facts here, there are, here's all the supporting,
Speaker 1: you know, arguments. She's been holding onto that info and
Speaker 1: then she just dropped it in the life and it
Speaker 1: was a bit of a mic drop moment, and I
Speaker 1: felt for her. She must have felt very vindicated in
Speaker 1: that moment.
Speaker 2: She I mean, the thing that you said there, which
Speaker 2: is so true she'd been sitting on that sideline, you know, gathering.
Speaker 2: You know, she had plenty of other opportunities to say things.
Speaker 2: And what I also liked about it was that she
Speaker 2: owned it herself.
Speaker 4: Well, I mean, these three women, there's a very very
Speaker 4: strong statement. Well it's a true statement for me and
Speaker 4: what I've observed for the last few years, and that's
Speaker 4: my observation.
Speaker 2: I thought that when she said no, no, that's my opinion,
Speaker 2: you know, and didn't back down on it, she almost
Speaker 2: was the best person in the group to really jump
Speaker 2: in and say something she didn't. I think she handled
Speaker 2: it without all of the extra emotion that had direte
Speaker 2: A gasel A Kyle or anyone else would have had
Speaker 2: to try and approach Sutton. And if you watch in
Speaker 2: the background, Kathy Hilton, Kathy Hilton's looking at something like
Speaker 2: she's a foreign animal from a difference. But also, I mean,
Speaker 2: let's just say that Kathy Hilton also thinks that most
Speaker 2: of the girls there on the trip the weight staff.
Speaker 3: So I know, with her, where's my salad dressing? I
Speaker 3: think she's not quite sure who I am.
Speaker 1: Kathy doesn't care who you are if you're with an
Speaker 1: earshot she's gonna ask you if you do get me this,
Speaker 1: could you get me that?
Speaker 3: Could you handle this?
Speaker 2: Good? Handle that?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I just thought with.
Speaker 1: Erica, you know that was the wife of a lawyer,
Speaker 1: Like she has picked up everything that you need to
Speaker 1: do to lay your argument out without you know, adrenaline
Speaker 1: fueled screaming. She was very calm about it, but she
Speaker 1: had conviction and she Yeah, I just felt like it
Speaker 1: just really landed because of that, And she picked her moment.
Speaker 1: She was like, we're all here on a boat. No
Speaker 1: one can get off, you know, and storm off.
Speaker 3: We know that.
Speaker 1: We've seen that from Sutton several times. Even though she
Speaker 1: you know, made a big song and dance when Kyle
Speaker 1: did it, She's done it many a time before.
Speaker 3: And she was like, we're here, we're on the water.
Speaker 3: Now's the time.
Speaker 1: I'm going to drop this information and we're going to
Speaker 1: put it out there and we're going to have a
Speaker 1: real conversation about it. And you know the fact that
Speaker 1: no one in that group paying to her defense, not
Speaker 1: even Garcel, which will get into in a moment, what
Speaker 1: what a moment she was really on her own island.
Speaker 2: Well, I think she slowly backed herself into a corner
Speaker 2: with sort of the people. Instead of doing what I
Speaker 2: think other housewives have done, especially Kyle Richards, and gather
Speaker 2: people on her side ready for confrontation, Sutton had really
Speaker 2: alienated everybody. By the time she was there, she didn't
Speaker 2: even have Garcel. This was the first time we've even
Speaker 2: seen Garcel and Sudden have a proper fight, and I
Speaker 2: was like, this to me, has been a long time coming.
Speaker 2: I mean, we saw some cracks and friendships in this episode,
Speaker 2: even Bose, you know, not necessarily blindly supporting to also
Speaker 2: really fascinating. But the thing that was the most subtle
Speaker 2: about this episode, which left a bad taste in my mouth,
Speaker 2: was who is more obsessed with Kyle Richards, Sutton or Garcel?
Speaker 2: Because Garcell's obsession with Sutton's relationship with Kyle Richards is
Speaker 2: starting to make her look like she's got the problem.
Speaker 1: Garcel, Sutton Kyle triangle of it all is so interesting.
Speaker 1: First of all, Garcel, even just realizing some of this,
Speaker 1: I just I thought she went up fifty notches in
Speaker 1: my book, because I remember when Erica had that sit
Speaker 1: down with Garcel a few seasons ago and she said,
Speaker 1: I think you've got to be careful with Sutton. I
Speaker 1: think she's a liability for you. And she did not
Speaker 1: get it. She really was like, I don't understand what
Speaker 1: you mean. Why is everyone so hard on her? And
Speaker 1: now it's like she's getting it, But I think she's
Speaker 1: only got it because she's been a little bit left
Speaker 1: by the wayside. And when Sutton had that moment where
Speaker 1: Kyle stepped in and said.
Speaker 3: Whatever, and she goes, I knew it.
Speaker 1: I knew it, and she was in a confessional acting
Speaker 1: like she'd won a million dollars. I was like, oh
Speaker 1: my god, babe, like, you're a fifty something year.
Speaker 3: Old woman, Kyle stepping up for me. See, I knew
Speaker 3: we were friends. I knew it, and now everybody does.
Speaker 1: The validation that she needs from Kyle is just off
Speaker 1: the chart. So the fact that Garcel found her line
Speaker 1: and she was like, I'm pissed off with this. I've
Speaker 1: been there for this woman. She hasn't backed me up.
Speaker 1: Now you know here it is the silence says it all,
Speaker 1: and that is what you know on the boat.
Speaker 3: That's exactly how it played out.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, it was definitely what did Jennifer con
Speaker 2: I'm not count Connie.
Speaker 3: Oh no, I want's kicking in oh ing ding ding?
Speaker 3: What do we have for her? Johnny.
Speaker 2: Jennifer Tilly also was really interesting, I thought with her
Speaker 2: observation of this. I mean, she was the one who
Speaker 2: said boat from Hell? What is it this week? On?
Speaker 3: Bit crazy from Hell?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, she was like, oh, but she's nutty as well,
Speaker 2: So let's not flip a coin over this. Are we
Speaker 2: settling at this point? Are we taking our chips to
Speaker 2: the bar and settling on who's the kookiest and craziest
Speaker 2: out of Kathy Hilton and Jennifer Tilly.
Speaker 1: I just think they're both not as cooky and quirky
Speaker 1: as what they are made out to be so times
Speaker 1: on this show. I've seen a preview for next week's episode.
Speaker 3: Oh no, there's a preview bit.
Speaker 1: And Jennifer Tilly is sitting separately with Sutton on the
Speaker 1: yacht and she's like, look, I understand all these women's points,
Speaker 1: but Sutton's my friend. So basically was basically saying I
Speaker 1: have to go sit with her, and then she says,
Speaker 1: it just astounds me. These women hate you so much.
Speaker 1: And I think the penny is dropping for her a
Speaker 1: little bit as well, Like it was with Bow's where
Speaker 1: she said, you know, I haven't seen this side of
Speaker 1: Sutton before, and now I'm seeing it. And that's what
Speaker 1: the boat episodes always seem to do. It exposes people,
Speaker 1: know what to run.
Speaker 2: Know where to hide. Correct What about it overboard Jennifer's
Speaker 2: confession about applying makeup and hopping back into bed.
Speaker 3: Is that the oh I've done that, I've done that.
Speaker 1: Don't think, Oh, maybe I've done it with Robbie in
Speaker 1: the early days, but I have done.
Speaker 2: That before yet out But you didn't breakfast radio with
Speaker 2: your husband before you got together.
Speaker 1: Like yeah, but even like people can't believe that. Even
Speaker 1: in radio, I go in with a full face of
Speaker 1: my cup and a heel and it's like quarter to
Speaker 1: five in the morning, Like, but I've just always done that.
Speaker 1: I would never Oh my god, it's probably a sign
Speaker 1: of a little bit of insecurity. But yes, not a
Speaker 1: full face like she said, you did a full face,
Speaker 1: but I've done a little slick of foundation and a
Speaker 1: little bronze or something.
Speaker 3: I've definitely done that.
Speaker 2: What about being naked in front of your husband, because
Speaker 2: I'm pretty sure that Ben and I gave out years
Speaker 2: like we were like straight into nudity, like as in, oh, well,
Speaker 2: who cares? Even as we've gotten to our forties and
Speaker 2: our bodies do not look great. They actually look like
Speaker 2: a couple of balloons have been cut from the Thanksgiving
Speaker 2: Day parade and have floated away. We are we are nude?
Speaker 2: Like are you nude?
Speaker 3: No, I'm not nude. Who are these knockers?
Speaker 2: Oh?
Speaker 3: They're too big? They need a bra? You know what
Speaker 3: I mean?
Speaker 2: Like he probably likes that this is now counseling session, toy.
Speaker 3: No, I just know I've never been a nude person.
Speaker 2: What about the bubbles in the bath where you do
Speaker 2: the bubble bra? Do you do that to try? And
Speaker 2: which is what Jennifer till he was saying she was
Speaker 2: making the top bar.
Speaker 3: I've done a nice bubble bath.
Speaker 1: I do like a good bath with some candles and
Speaker 1: some nice products and stuff.
Speaker 3: So I've done that. But you know, I mean, to
Speaker 3: each their own.
Speaker 1: I feel like you've got to find your own line
Speaker 1: with that, and you just dance away with that line.
Speaker 3: You dance away with it.
Speaker 2: Oh. One of the other things I put down as
Speaker 2: a note and just forgive us for going all over
Speaker 2: the place, was you know what I liked in this
Speaker 2: episode was the term mean spirited? Do you use the
Speaker 2: term mean spirited when you're talking about things? Because that's
Speaker 2: in my vocap it's on high rotation for me.
Speaker 3: Do you have the wine before we got on or
Speaker 3: is this your first one?
Speaker 2: I haven't even had a sip of it yet. This
Speaker 2: is a problem. It's the problem.
Speaker 1: Well, I think you need to take a sip meant
Speaker 1: spirited to read has used before she used it. You
Speaker 1: can go back through the archives and find the clips
Speaker 1: for this. She's used it when she was talking about Erica.
Speaker 1: When Erica went on stage at bravocon is that wine horrendus?
Speaker 1: You just usually scrunched up your whole face? And she
Speaker 1: went on BRAVOCN and said, who's the next break up?
Speaker 1: She said in PK she said that was very mean spirited,
Speaker 1: And she used that word a lot.
Speaker 2: I love mean spirited. I think it's fine. I think
Speaker 2: it's a nice way to say something. It's not like
Speaker 2: you were being a cunt. You're like being mean spirited,
Speaker 2: you know. And I used it in a text message
Speaker 2: once with a girlfriend who I never ever heard from
Speaker 2: ever again. And she went around and said to everyone,
Speaker 2: he called me mean spirited, and I defended that till
Speaker 2: the cows came home.
Speaker 3: I was like, I could have said worse ter.
Speaker 2: Yeah, shed she organized her birthday and invited everybody except
Speaker 2: me and included inviting my partner Ben, And I said,
Speaker 2: I thought that was a little bit mean spirited.
Speaker 3: Yeah that is.
Speaker 2: That is mean spirited, and you.
Speaker 3: Should have said something a lot worse than that.
Speaker 2: Yes, exactly right. Well, let me tell you she didn't
Speaker 2: like that mean spirited word. So, and we're not speaking,
Speaker 2: but I think it's a great term. I think it's
Speaker 2: a great way of being able to say I don't
Speaker 2: think your intentions were kind.
Speaker 1: Yes, And I think when Dart is in that place
Speaker 1: where she's not raising her voice and sort of coming
Speaker 1: across as a little bit, I think she's very eloquent.
Speaker 1: And I think she delivers her messages well. Even when
Speaker 1: Sutton baited her and she was like, maybe if I
Speaker 1: talk in an English accent, it'll get through to you more,
Speaker 1: and she goes.
Speaker 4: Maybe again, you need to actually speak English so I
Speaker 4: can understand. Please, Okay, maybe if I speak an English
Speaker 4: accent it will work better me.
Speaker 1: Maybe, But like she could have been like, oh, well,
Speaker 1: now you're mocking me and this and that.
Speaker 3: And she could have flown off the handle, but she.
Speaker 1: Actually manages to stay quite controlled, quite measured in a
Speaker 1: lot of these arguments in the face of a lot of,
Speaker 1: you know, excessive noise that's happening around her. And I
Speaker 1: think she does pretty well with that for the most part.
Speaker 1: She only goes there when other people go there. I
Speaker 1: do believe that. I feel like she only really escalates
Speaker 1: her voice when other people start yelling at her.
Speaker 2: Do you find that with sudden you know, she jumps
Speaker 2: in and says that she was being beaten with a stick.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, am I going to get beaten with
Speaker 2: a stick now?
Speaker 3: I'm not hid a hand on the marble. No, because
Speaker 3: you know what I'm not going to do. By y'all,
Speaker 3: I'm not going to do this again. We're not going
Speaker 3: to beat me with a stick. Nobody's beating you. But
Speaker 3: we're learning.
Speaker 4: You cannot cannot turn and become a victim every time.
Speaker 3: Don't tell me what I can and cannot do.
Speaker 2: I feel like she says those over the top things
Speaker 2: so that she deflects from the confrontation, or she puts
Speaker 2: words into it to make the other person look far
Speaker 2: more villainous. No one had to stick out. Lady. You've
Speaker 2: literally antagonized people for sixteen episodes, and now people are
Speaker 2: not actually being that cruel to you. They're just saying
Speaker 2: you're a little bit mean spirited, Like, yeah, everyone is
Speaker 2: very measured. What do you think about Sutton's tactic of
Speaker 2: trying to put the situation into a heightened level of
Speaker 2: her being the victim and the women being the aggressives.
Speaker 1: Well, that's her emo, and we've seen that many times,
Speaker 1: and she turns it around on herself. She becomes a
Speaker 1: victim and she gets very upset with it. And you
Speaker 1: know the other thing that she said, and I was like, aha,
Speaker 1: now she's just repeating the same deflective pattern. Is when
Speaker 1: she starts yelling out, pick on somebody else, pick on
Speaker 1: somebody else. We already saw that two episodes ago, after
Speaker 1: the big wallet comment.
Speaker 3: She was like, pick on somebody else.
Speaker 1: So she doesn't care if someone else is getting, actually,
Speaker 1: to quote her picked on. She just doesn't want it
Speaker 1: to be her.
Speaker 2: I think she doesn't want it to be her. But
Speaker 2: what kind of person has no idea that they are
Speaker 2: the problem in the first place, that they're the aggressor
Speaker 2: they're the person who started it. And in this season
Speaker 2: eight times out of ten, which is high. Certain problems
Speaker 2: that she has with other women actually stem back to
Speaker 2: stuff that she started herself.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think it was so spot on. It
Speaker 1: was so astute of Erica when she said what you
Speaker 1: do is this, and she gave examples, and she said,
Speaker 1: you bring people in you say, oh my god, you're
Speaker 1: having a problem.
Speaker 3: You can lean on me. I'll be a friend.
Speaker 1: They rolled back the tape when she gave you know,
Speaker 1: Erica the care package at the day sparcelon there was
Speaker 1: this seeing that we saw, you know, at the beginning
Speaker 1: of the season, where she sat down with Durey. She's like,
Speaker 1: I know what you're going through. I was also a divorcee.
Speaker 3: With young children. I want you to know you can
Speaker 3: lean on me a bit.
Speaker 1: And then she flips the table and there's just so
Speaker 1: many examples of this happening now. So I think she
Speaker 1: just when she was confronted with cold, hard facts, she
Speaker 1: could not deal with it. She has to take it
Speaker 1: to a heightened place, as you say, to try and
Speaker 1: wriggle herself out of it.
Speaker 3: And then we.
Speaker 1: Got the hot Mike moment where she was saying whatever
Speaker 1: she was saying about those women, which was very derogatory.
Speaker 1: She was clumping them all in together, and it really
Speaker 1: showed what she thinks of everyone. That she is up here,
Speaker 1: they are down there, and they should be so goddamn
Speaker 1: lucky is to be hanging out with someone who gets
Speaker 1: three hundred and fifty thousand dollars a month from their
Speaker 1: ex husband and I should be only in elite circles.
Speaker 2: What do you reckon? The ex husband has to say
Speaker 2: about her at this point? Do you reckon? He said,
Speaker 2: like eternal sunshine at the spotless mind and had a
Speaker 2: grain erased, I have PTSD. I'd be walking down the
Speaker 2: street and see the banners for real housewives of Beverly
Speaker 2: Hills on Santa Monica Boulevard, and I'd be like having
Speaker 2: a stroke because like this woman's behavior is she has
Speaker 2: no way of actually being able to recall facts as well, Like, yes,
Speaker 2: that's where it's.
Speaker 3: A selective memory there. I would think, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: I just think, look, you know, we've seen elements of her,
Speaker 1: and I think that Kyle, you know, when we reflect
Speaker 1: back on this thing with Kyle and wanting Kyle's validation,
Speaker 1: and even when you think about it with Kathy Hilton,
Speaker 1: even Diana Jenkins, even though she was fighting with her,
Speaker 1: She's trying so hard for their approval because she wants
Speaker 1: the social status.
Speaker 3: She wants to climb that social ladder.
Speaker 1: We've seen it when she's like, I'm on the board
Speaker 1: of the American Ballet, I can't be around strippers. And
Speaker 1: when she said about Erica and she said, you know,
Speaker 1: I'm on the board of all these things, like I
Speaker 1: don't want to be associated with Erica, and then that's
Speaker 1: how that whole fight happened. You know about the reputation.
Speaker 1: She wants to be in this high social standing and
Speaker 1: she thinks she's above it, but when she's getting called
Speaker 1: out and she's getting brought back down to earth with
Speaker 1: some cold heart facts, she can't handle it.
Speaker 3: She can't.
Speaker 2: Do You think that Dereit was right to not accept
Speaker 2: that apology because Dereit we then saw being sort of
Speaker 2: held to account by Bo's and Bozma was there watching
Speaker 2: this whole thing happening and saying, no, Direit, you need
Speaker 2: to accept the apology if she would.
Speaker 4: At any point since then, Mabe had said that if
Speaker 4: you had felt sorry, I'm doing it now I'm doing
Speaker 4: a very passive aggressive and you don't.
Speaker 3: Read really.
Speaker 5: Apologizing to you, which you're not accepting it, and I'm
Speaker 5: not really sure darit needed to accept that apology.
Speaker 2: And then it turned out she was right. She shouldn't
Speaker 2: be accepting an apology from this nut job.
Speaker 1: I think in that moment, I think Bo's was she
Speaker 1: was being She was being a good person by calling
Speaker 1: her friend out and being like, look, I don't think
Speaker 1: you're accepting the apology not hearing it. But what we
Speaker 1: know now from watching this scenario play out many times
Speaker 1: with New Housewives, they don't have the background, they don't
Speaker 1: have the full dynamic, they don't.
Speaker 3: Have the history.
Speaker 1: And so she was right in that moment to say,
Speaker 1: you're being a bit of an asshole.
Speaker 3: I think you should accept the apology, but I agree
Speaker 3: with you.
Speaker 1: There was something in Sudden to be like, this whole
Speaker 1: thing is bullshit and I'm not really buying it.
Speaker 2: I wouldn't be surprised if I saw Andy Cohen drop
Speaker 2: her from the series, because I know that she's sort
Speaker 2: of facilitating that. Lisa re in a role and she
Speaker 2: sort of playing a bit of the antagonist, the villain,
Speaker 2: the person that holds people and causes the drama, starts
Speaker 2: the fires and puts them out. I just don't know
Speaker 2: whether or not she's gazumping the whole show in general.
Speaker 1: I think the thing is the difference between her and
Speaker 1: Lisa Rinna. Lisa Rinna was very clear, she was very consistent. Yes,
Speaker 1: she might have taken it a bit far sometimes, but
Speaker 1: she's all always clear in her pursuit of what she
Speaker 1: was trying to get to. Where Sutton undoes herself is
Speaker 1: the fact that she is saying something one episode, she's
Speaker 1: saying something else on a different episode.
Speaker 3: Her agendas seem to change, her mood changes.
Speaker 1: There's just you don't know what you're going to get,
Speaker 1: and that is where she brings herself undone.
Speaker 3: There's no clear quest for the truth.
Speaker 1: It gets muddled up in all this erratic gray territory.
Speaker 3: So I think she's a bit different there. But to
Speaker 3: your point.
Speaker 1: About getting rid of her, if this alliance between her
Speaker 1: and Garcel breaks and Garcel comes to the light and
Speaker 1: starts hanging more with like Erica and.
Speaker 3: Kyle, I could see that.
Speaker 1: I could see that because Garcel is actually very logical. Yes,
Speaker 1: she can be Shaye Dear, you know some of the
Speaker 1: stuff she says, it's shady, but she is always very
Speaker 1: clear too.
Speaker 3: You know what I mean.
Speaker 2: I agree, and I think that Garcel is one step
Speaker 2: away from jumping ship.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I agree.
Speaker 2: Bosema also looking for the affections of Kyle Richards. Now,
Speaker 2: I think that we can definitely see that those two
Speaker 2: are going to be friends.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I think it's been nice to see
Speaker 1: that evolution. I think as we spoke about last week,
Speaker 1: having that moment without one on one, this week, you
Speaker 1: got to see the voice note where she was like, Babe,
Speaker 1: you know I saw MO out with this woman. I've
Speaker 1: sent the voice note. What do you want me to do?
Speaker 1: I'll go run up on a man.
Speaker 3: She said.
Speaker 1: That's being a girlfriend, And you know what, like that
Speaker 1: is someone the cameras are not up, and you've been
Speaker 1: prepared to play that voice note back, and you've been
Speaker 1: prepared to text her even though it was nothing to
Speaker 1: do with the show. I think she is a genuine person.
Speaker 1: What you see is what you get, and I think Kyle,
Speaker 1: we know, wants those genuine friendships. So potentially her and
Speaker 1: Bo's they could be forming something special.
Speaker 3: I texted Kyle in the moment girl. And then afterwards
Speaker 3: I gave her a foe report, but for me, a
Speaker 3: long voice note. I really did I know it was
Speaker 3: a real podcast.
Speaker 2: He made okay, so full report. She is definitely not cute.
Speaker 5: I mean, look, if you want to do this, you've
Speaker 5: got to get like the cutest girl in the on
Speaker 5: the planet.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: Actually, the entire time that I was sitting there and
Speaker 1: they were there, I was just dreaming up scenarios where
Speaker 1: I could just push them into the water.
Speaker 2: Let me know what you want me to do, because
Speaker 2: I will run up on a.
Speaker 3: Man and there you have it. Now that's being a
Speaker 3: girl's girl.
Speaker 2: Did you think that that voice note was a good idea?
Speaker 2: Like I felt cringe rama. I was like, do you
Speaker 2: know what I would consider myself to be in the
Speaker 2: girl code? Like on what is good girl code and
Speaker 2: what's not? Maybe it's gay code. I would not be
Speaker 2: disturbing your day by giving you a blow by blow
Speaker 2: on what your recent ex husband's doing on a date.
Speaker 2: And it almost okay, virtue signaling, do you know what
Speaker 2: I mean? Like, Hey, I'm going to prove to you
Speaker 2: that I'm good. Where if I was Kyle Richards and
Speaker 2: I was at home taking my fifty five dogs on
Speaker 2: a walk, and all of a sudden I got a
Speaker 2: message from Bows saying, voice note going into detail, I'm
Speaker 2: going to go and run up on a man. What
Speaker 2: do you want me to do?
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 2: I thought that was really that's not good, gay coat.
Speaker 2: If you ask me, maybe it's good.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 1: I think I feel like she was trying to do
Speaker 1: it from the right place. She's like, this is what
Speaker 1: I'm witnessing. It's in real time. I don't want anyone
Speaker 1: to come at me and say, well, you saw this happening,
Speaker 1: and you kept it private. You didn't tell me. I
Speaker 1: think she was just trying to be open and honest.
Speaker 3: In the moment.
Speaker 1: She'd probably wherever they were, so her house or something.
Speaker 1: She's probably had a couple of drinks, yeah, and she's
Speaker 1: probably just thought, you know what, I'm just I think
Speaker 1: if that was purely for the show, that might have been,
Speaker 1: you know, fueled by a different agenda. But I think
Speaker 1: the fact she sent that when the cameras weren't up,
Speaker 1: she didn't know if they were going to use that,
Speaker 1: you know. I think she was coming to it from
Speaker 1: the right place.
Speaker 2: She might have been, but I don't think I would
Speaker 2: have appreciated that message. I would just be like, oh,
Speaker 2: he's there. That's a bit awkward for you. Yeah, probably
Speaker 2: best to go and have a drink with your friend
Speaker 2: somewhere else. Like that seems to me.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that's weird.
Speaker 2: But I also don't think that everything needs to be discussed.
Speaker 2: She's only a new friend of Kyle's. She really doesn't
Speaker 2: have that much business going up and approaching a man
Speaker 2: in a restaurant that she's never met. That she's blindly
Speaker 2: supporting her other mate. He's not there. I just thought
Speaker 2: the whole thing was really weird, and I.
Speaker 3: Don't think she actually would have gone up there.
Speaker 1: I think she was just trying to make the point
Speaker 1: that she was like, I'm letting you know the information
Speaker 1: as I'm seeing it unfold in front of me, and
Speaker 1: if you do want me to do something, I will.
Speaker 3: But I don't think she would have gone up there.
Speaker 2: What about those weaves in this series, Like there's so much,
Speaker 2: so many whiefs.
Speaker 3: Like the way you say it that gets me the white.
Speaker 2: Weeve is It's interesting to me that I had no
Speaker 2: idea that Garcel's also wearing the whiefs. I thought that
Speaker 2: was their real hair.
Speaker 1: And Erica, they and Kyle, they all wear hair extensions,
Speaker 1: hair pieces.
Speaker 2: One of them like Kathy. Oh, Kathy looked like she
Speaker 2: needed to go to a day's bar. Did you see
Speaker 2: she looked like she was not a hill and she
Speaker 2: looked like she was a Western, you know, like the oldest.
Speaker 1: Don't get it. I don't get it. She's but we've
Speaker 1: seen this many a time. It's very strange. But yet
Speaker 1: on her Instagram, if you go on, like, she's wearing
Speaker 1: beautiful dresses.
Speaker 3: Nikki Hilton just.
Speaker 1: Did a collab with Rebecca Lands, a designer that I
Speaker 1: wear a lot, and she is in all these beautiful
Speaker 1: Christmas party dresses and she looks amazing. But for some
Speaker 1: reason she films this show.
Speaker 3: A lot of the time she looks like a schlip.
Speaker 3: It's very strange.
Speaker 2: It's so weird. And every time they keept cutting to her,
Speaker 2: I was like, Bruce Jenna, is that you wacko?
Speaker 3: Jacko? Are you in there?
Speaker 2: Remember her? She was best friends with Michael Jackson. Oh.
Speaker 2: Remember that was what happened in Aspen or whatever it
Speaker 2: was where she lost her mind because the DJ wouldn't
Speaker 2: play Michael Jackson. Oh, go too. She goes, gets a
Speaker 2: few drinks in her and she gets wild and gets
Speaker 2: them to play Michael Jackson and she sings and dances,
Speaker 2: tells everyone that they used to be best friends, but
Speaker 2: now she's starting to look like Michael jacks.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree with what you said that. A couple
Speaker 1: of episodes ago, you were like, I don't think she
Speaker 1: looks well but maybe look these women are older.
Speaker 3: You know, it's a lot of upkeep for this show.
Speaker 2: Have you seen the movie Hannibal where there's the Who's
Speaker 2: got all the equipment and like all the stuff happening and.
Speaker 3: Like the IVY troops and everything all like that looks.
Speaker 2: Very hannibal esque. Anyway, I don't want to get into that.
Speaker 2: You know, good on your Kathy Hilton. If you've got
Speaker 2: all that money and you're not willing to spend it
Speaker 2: on getting a little bit juuged up for the Real
Speaker 2: Housewives of Beverly Hills.
Speaker 3: That's a flat blazer. Just put on a nice blazer
Speaker 3: blazer jag over her head.
Speaker 2: It was not necessarily the clothes. She looked like she'd
Speaker 2: just come out of a sauna, Like her hair was
Speaker 2: basically stuck to her head and she was looking clammy.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I get the clamminess.
Speaker 2: And we just seemed to read with the guy that
Speaker 2: she's in a lawsuit with, now whatever his name is,
Speaker 2: the hairdresser. We saw the hairdresser styling Durite. Have you
Speaker 2: been following that?
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I know the twists and turns. So
Speaker 1: if you haven't been across this, Darite is in this
Speaker 1: sort of public stout with this guy who was her
Speaker 1: hairdresser for a few months. He's saying that she never
Speaker 1: paid him. She is trying to say I did pay him,
Speaker 1: and he's now trying to rip me off for more money.
Speaker 1: And it's it's very public. It's like watch what Happens Live.
Speaker 1: Then he's been dropping an Instagram video, She's been dropping,
Speaker 1: you know, more receipts.
Speaker 3: It's very public.
Speaker 2: He has the hair of Gwyneth Paltrow from nineteen ninety nine,
Speaker 2: and I'm here for it, Like, I think he looks
Speaker 2: great with that hair. But after I saw his receipt
Speaker 2: and after I've watched all of the videos that they've
Speaker 2: both been dropping about it, I actually just think it's
Speaker 2: a really big miscommunication amongst the two of them been
Speaker 2: able to be worked out and not to be using
Speaker 2: his content on their pages, like neither of them are
Speaker 2: looking quite good. Sounds like something that you just be like,
Speaker 2: that's my mistake. I own that, really, sorry, move on,
Speaker 2: like I'm back to style your hair for season fifteen.
Speaker 2: No one's going to use him now anymore. Have you frozen?
Speaker 2: Are you back?
Speaker 3: Oh?
Speaker 2: No? Are you that?
Speaker 3: The thing was?
Speaker 2: Yes? Yeah? Yes? Was it you or me?
Speaker 3: I don't know, but this is how it froze. I'm
Speaker 3: sending you a photo.
Speaker 2: Oh you? Oh god, don't stroke. I thought I was.
Speaker 2: You're sitting there listening to me and I'm talking about
Speaker 2: how he did.
Speaker 6: I was like, Benjamin, if you're okay, we need to
Speaker 6: talk about the mention of Kim Richards.
Speaker 2: I was like, like that was awkward. Dot com Like Darret,
Speaker 2: I think was trying to be nice to be like,
Speaker 2: and how's things going with Kim because the last time
Speaker 2: that hung out at Runyon Canyon, things were like looking
Speaker 2: quite good. But does deit not read the social pages
Speaker 2: and realize that Kim Richards and Kyle are not getting
Speaker 2: along and Kim's been kicked out of Kyle Richards's apartment
Speaker 2: that she owns, that she'd be letting it live in
Speaker 2: there for free, like.
Speaker 1: Well, you kind of question whether Derete reads any stuff,
Speaker 1: you know, Like I like the girl, but she probably
Speaker 1: is in her own world a little bit. I don't
Speaker 1: think she actually would have said that knowing the full
Speaker 1: extent of it.
Speaker 3: Kim, how was she doing. I'm good, she's happy now.
Speaker 3: I don't see her a lot, but I think Kyle
Speaker 3: handled it pretty well.
Speaker 2: Kyle did pretty well, but I was so I felt bad,
Speaker 2: Like I always feel bad for Kyle Richards when she's
Speaker 2: fighting with either of her sisters because most of the
Speaker 2: time I agree with Kyle and think that their sisters
Speaker 2: are being pretty hard on her.
Speaker 1: Do you know what my mum always used to say,
Speaker 1: And she said this about friendships and stuff, like even
Speaker 1: when we were kids, everything she goes two into three,
Speaker 1: doesn't go like, there's just you'll never get three people
Speaker 1: all getting along to the equal level at all times.
Speaker 1: She was like, no, there'll always be one that's like that,
Speaker 1: one's left out at that time. Then its Chiefts and
Speaker 1: those two. And we see it on the Kardashians, we
Speaker 1: see on all those sort of things.
Speaker 2: Missus McLean, that is gold.
Speaker 3: I know, that is property.
Speaker 2: Put that on I get that sewn onto our blouse. Sudden, like, honestly,
Speaker 2: that's a good one.
Speaker 1: It's so true though, Hey, what else we need to
Speaker 1: talk about is Garselle bringing up Morgan Wade again to
Speaker 1: Kyle's but to her face. I actually went out loud.
Speaker 1: I was here watching it by myself, and I was like.
Speaker 3: Oh like that. I was like, I like ballsy.
Speaker 1: And hats off that she's putting her money where her
Speaker 1: mouth is and it's not just speculation, it's not just
Speaker 1: chat behind her back. She was like, well, I think
Speaker 1: it's weird. We're not allowed to talk about this. And
Speaker 1: the look on Kyle's face, Holy shit.
Speaker 2: How many times can you bring this up though? Or
Speaker 2: someone tries to bring up morganway with Kyle and just
Speaker 2: see her.
Speaker 1: Go no, Well, but the point is it's there. Don't
Speaker 1: think that we've forgotten about it. Don't think that we're
Speaker 1: not confused by it. Don't think that our questions aren't
Speaker 1: valid as the group and as viewers. That is something
Speaker 1: we want to know the answer to. And she put
Speaker 1: it out there. She got her own camera last season,
Speaker 1: and now she slipped the table and all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: we're not allowed to ask, and I think that was
Speaker 1: ballsy of Garsel to say, well, I think it's strange.
Speaker 2: Did you think it was Sutton's job then to back Garcel? Like?
Speaker 2: As much as Garcel and Sutton have been having their
Speaker 2: own monologues and debriefs about the Morgan Wade situation, did
Speaker 2: you I didn't think it was necessary for Sutton to
Speaker 2: jump in there. I didn't even notice that. And then
Speaker 2: later on Garcel was so mad. She was like, you know,
Speaker 2: you didn't back me up, so much so that when
Speaker 2: actually things went down for sudden, Garsel didn't support her.
Speaker 2: And then I don't even think someon even cared that
Speaker 2: she didn't. I don't even think someton even noticed that
Speaker 2: Garcel wasn't jumping in to save her.
Speaker 5: Normally I would have something to say, and I don't
Speaker 5: really like to see this pile up on Sutton, But
Speaker 5: I'm not going to do that because the other night
Speaker 5: she didn't have my back and I'm not going to
Speaker 5: stick up my neck for her when she doesn't always
Speaker 5: do it for me.
Speaker 2: She can deal with it. Well.
Speaker 3: I think that it was an example of and it wasn't.
Speaker 1: Until the editors showed back all those extra clips that
Speaker 1: they didn't show in last week's episode.
Speaker 3: Well, there was obviously.
Speaker 1: More of a conversation that was had, and there was
Speaker 1: obviously a point where Sutton was very much in agreeiance
Speaker 1: with gars and she thought that that was something she
Speaker 1: was going to.
Speaker 3: Get the backup on and then she didn't get it.
Speaker 1: But that sort of question where the Garsel brought something
Speaker 1: up to someone else and Sutton didn't jump in, whether
Speaker 1: she would have got that upset. The reason that she
Speaker 1: got upset because it was a conversation involving Kyle.
Speaker 2: I mean, look, this episode was quite bessy. I mean
Speaker 2: it was good, and that's probably why I'm going to
Speaker 2: say I'm giving it four stars. I know that we
Speaker 2: normally ask you for your opinion first, but I'm giving
Speaker 2: it four. Ben Norrises, I still can't go all the
Speaker 2: way to a five because I feel like I need
Speaker 2: to save a whole point for when something Yippi Coyo motherfuckers,
Speaker 2: and I don't think we definitely got the Yepko motherfucker.
Speaker 2: I think we may get that in the season finale,
Speaker 2: and I maybe saving my five for that, But at
Speaker 2: this point, for Ben Norrises.
Speaker 3: I'm really tempted to drop a five.
Speaker 1: I think for me, I was like the Sutton Takedown,
Speaker 1: the I love a boat episode. I love a boat look,
Speaker 1: I love the glam. I love that on a cast.
Speaker 2: Rip a point away because of what Boman was wearing,
Speaker 2: like what Bosemore was wearing to that boat trip was
Speaker 2: sobers looked like she had been given extra money to
Speaker 2: spend at the costume shop and she's just work out
Speaker 2: which accessory like change there.
Speaker 1: And I just think that the you know everything that
Speaker 1: sort of happened, like Garcel mentioning the Morgan Waye thing.
Speaker 1: I think there was there was a lot of layers there.
Speaker 1: I liked the fact that we're all together. We had
Speaker 1: Kathy and Jevitilly there. So for me, I'm going to
Speaker 1: go there. I'm going to say it's a five, it's
Speaker 1: a fiver. Yeah, best episode of the season. Yes, because
Speaker 1: the reason that I know is because I texted you
Speaker 1: halfway through and I was like, oh, we're in the
Speaker 1: pocket here. I'm really enjoying it, and I don't think
Speaker 1: I've done that once this season, So I'm just going
Speaker 1: to go there.
Speaker 2: No, once you texted me and said you were going
Speaker 2: to do the washing, you got bored. Did walk totally.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I've also finished this one now that I
Speaker 1: started with at the beginning of the year.
Speaker 6: Now I know where you want to rap it, probably
Speaker 6: like a little bit of more wine.
Speaker 2: We've been going for too long. I've got to leave now.
Speaker 2: Mama's Juice is done well. I haven't seen next week's promo,
Speaker 2: so maybe you can fink you can finish off this
Speaker 2: podcast for telling me what it is that we're in
Speaker 2: store for, because I'm assuming we're going to get a
Speaker 2: whole lot of razy outfits at this Rio di Janeiro
Speaker 2: festival that they're going to.
Speaker 1: I don't know if I know, because it finished on
Speaker 1: a t B continued. So we didn't get a trailer. No,
Speaker 1: there was no promo, No, there wasn't. What I've seen
Speaker 1: is an actual you know, on Socials when they dropped
Speaker 1: like the first three minutes and it's and it's Jennifer
Speaker 1: Tilly sitting with someton on the boat and it's almost
Speaker 1: like Jennifer Tilly's like, I want to be friends with
Speaker 1: the other ladies.
Speaker 3: How do I switch? I'd like to opt out of
Speaker 3: this program.
Speaker 2: Thank you, Slowly tying a brick to Suton's legs. Yes, overboard.
Speaker 3: I'd love to unsubscribe.
Speaker 2: What do you think the rationale is on us not
Speaker 2: getting a preview for next week? Do you think that
Speaker 2: they're editing or they're trying to fix something up.
Speaker 1: I just think they like it to be continued. I
Speaker 1: think that they like it. They like the talkability, and
Speaker 1: I think that's where it's going.
Speaker 3: And is this going to be the season finale? An?
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, so they're just not trying not to give
Speaker 1: anything away.
Speaker 2: Okay, so they're just trying to save it all. But
Speaker 2: we are normally going to get those outfits, those outfits
Speaker 2: because we saw that in like the first episode. We
Speaker 2: saw a preview of the season, yes, and we saw
Speaker 2: Sutton bending over and shirt saying I'm wearing a g
Speaker 2: banger or whatever it.
Speaker 3: Is that she said, oh god, nothing else.
Speaker 1: And we also are going to probably get the pickup
Speaker 1: of that hot mic moment that will definitely get addressed
Speaker 1: at the reunion because obviously none of the ladies were
Speaker 1: there when she said that.
Speaker 2: It just means we're a week away from watching a
Speaker 2: promo for the Real Housewives at Beverly Hill season fourteen reunion,
Speaker 2: and I am so excited. Do you know someone was
Speaker 2: saying on social media the other day that why can't
Speaker 2: they just drop the three part promo just in one
Speaker 2: go like that they we deserve it, Like yeahhoo, sorry
Speaker 2: does it? Hey? You dropped like an extended version, you know.
Speaker 2: And I think that's kind of cool. But I feel
Speaker 2: like when it comes to three part reunions because they
Speaker 2: sort of pace them. They put a bit here and
Speaker 2: a bit there, and it goes light and then it
Speaker 2: goes a bit boring and they sort of pace it
Speaker 2: out of the three episodes, I feel like they just
Speaker 2: dumped them all. No.
Speaker 1: I like the fact they separate the reunion episodes.
Speaker 3: I think that that just draws it out.
Speaker 1: However, I do think you could do one trailer for
Speaker 1: the whole reunion, like all three parts in one, rather
Speaker 1: than separating those out.
Speaker 2: I just remember the best promo for a reunion ever,
Speaker 2: Sorry people in the background that just listen to me,
Speaker 2: poor but giant glass of wine was the one with
Speaker 2: Lisa Rinna's final final episode where we got the preview
Speaker 2: and it was like, your contract's up. You're the biggest
Speaker 2: bully in Los Angeles. Everyone knows it, and like that promo,
Speaker 2: you need to go back and watch that because every
Speaker 2: time I see it, I'm just.
Speaker 3: Like, I mean, look, I'm not a huge Kathy fan.
Speaker 1: However, that episode, she had done so much prep work
Speaker 1: with her publicist and you know, a media advisor on
Speaker 1: how to answer these questions, how to get in with
Speaker 1: a you know, attack on the front end, like she
Speaker 1: had studied up and that was a schooling that was
Speaker 1: that was iconic reunion.
Speaker 2: Well that led to Lisa and saying, put me on
Speaker 2: pause with you. You know, I'm ready for Lisa rend
Speaker 2: to be unpaused because she needs to come back.
Speaker 3: I don't think she'll come back coming back. You'll never
Speaker 3: come back, that's never not.
Speaker 1: It'll be interesting to see if she pops up Ondernease
Speaker 1: Richard's show, Like.
Speaker 2: That's what I want. I need that. I need that
Speaker 2: more than I need a Betty's Burger for dinner.
Speaker 3: But you've got a party to get to party?
Speaker 2: What are you doing get.
Speaker 3: I'm just going to go to the fridge and pour
Speaker 3: another drink.
Speaker 2: You and Robbie just staying at home.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we're just staying home. He's been away all week
Speaker 1: for work. We're just gonna like we've been watching that
Speaker 1: adolescence show on Netflix.
Speaker 2: Oh good are you so, by the way, are you
Speaker 2: on the white loaders?
Speaker 3: I need to catch back up.
Speaker 1: Okay, I started it, and then you know, I confused
Speaker 1: when they're only dropping No.
Speaker 2: No.
Speaker 3: One episode of Being a Bottle of Red.
Speaker 1: And then I'll probably listen back to this and be like, oh,
Speaker 1: I shouldn't have been drinking while we're recording.
Speaker 2: You've been up early, Lucy, Lucy Apple, juicy wonderful.
Speaker 3: I have been up very early today, so it is
Speaker 3: late for me.
Speaker 2: Well, I am obsessed with you.
Speaker 3: All right. Well you're the best party amazing.
Speaker 2: Thank you. Well, I don't know what's happened to our internet,
Speaker 2: but it's being weird. But I will talk to you soon, Okay.
Speaker 2: All the best, all
Speaker 1: The very best, lots of love, Bye bye, bye bye