1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:00,960 Speaker 1: Northern Territory. 2 00:00:00,960 --> 00:00:04,400 Speaker 2: Parliament descended into a fast yesterday, with the Speaker nyriar 3 00:00:04,480 --> 00:00:09,119 Speaker 2: Kit really struggling to control proceedings during question time. The 4 00:00:09,200 --> 00:00:12,080 Speaker 2: opposition attempted to censure the government as I said over 5 00:00:12,080 --> 00:00:15,400 Speaker 2: that twelve million dollar dar and Turf Club grandstand. But 6 00:00:15,520 --> 00:00:19,920 Speaker 2: discussion really did turn into a cage match, is all 7 00:00:19,960 --> 00:00:22,439 Speaker 2: I can think of in terms of describing it. The 8 00:00:22,520 --> 00:00:26,880 Speaker 2: Leader of Government Business regularly interjecting debate, and well, my 9 00:00:26,960 --> 00:00:29,639 Speaker 2: next guest stormed out of question time claiming that the 10 00:00:29,680 --> 00:00:33,239 Speaker 2: government was destroying the very democracy that they were part of. 11 00:00:33,720 --> 00:00:36,320 Speaker 2: Opposition leader Lea fanochiiro good morning to you. 12 00:00:36,440 --> 00:00:37,960 Speaker 3: Good morning Katie into your listeners. 13 00:00:38,120 --> 00:00:38,320 Speaker 2: Lea. 14 00:00:38,400 --> 00:00:40,680 Speaker 1: Do you regret storming out of parliament yesterday? 15 00:00:40,720 --> 00:00:43,559 Speaker 4: Well, I'm glad you asked me that, Katie, because I 16 00:00:43,640 --> 00:00:45,159 Speaker 4: didn't storm out of parliament. 17 00:00:45,200 --> 00:00:46,600 Speaker 3: We had a very. 18 00:00:46,479 --> 00:00:50,839 Speaker 4: Extremely disappointing session of Parliament where Labor abused their power 19 00:00:50,920 --> 00:00:54,360 Speaker 4: and parliamentary process in a desperate attempt to avoid answering 20 00:00:54,400 --> 00:00:57,320 Speaker 4: any questions around them giving away twelve million dollars. It 21 00:00:57,360 --> 00:00:59,720 Speaker 4: was about five minutes to the end of question time. 22 00:01:00,120 --> 00:01:02,600 Speaker 4: I walked past my whip. Who is the person who 23 00:01:02,720 --> 00:01:05,000 Speaker 4: you know coordinates question time, I said, mate, you got this. 24 00:01:05,120 --> 00:01:07,520 Speaker 4: I'm going to go upstairs to my office to coordinate 25 00:01:07,840 --> 00:01:11,000 Speaker 4: you know, the rest of the day. I walked out. 26 00:01:11,120 --> 00:01:14,080 Speaker 4: Natasha Fhiles jeered at me across the chamber. I turn 27 00:01:14,120 --> 00:01:17,280 Speaker 4: around and retaliated when I was standing at the door 28 00:01:17,319 --> 00:01:19,839 Speaker 4: and I walked out, and of course the Natasha files, 29 00:01:19,840 --> 00:01:22,880 Speaker 4: in a true fashion, blew that into something more than 30 00:01:22,920 --> 00:01:23,360 Speaker 4: what it was. 31 00:01:23,440 --> 00:01:25,800 Speaker 1: Well, you both did look incredibly angry. 32 00:01:25,880 --> 00:01:29,000 Speaker 2: I mean, will you Is it incorrect to say that 33 00:01:29,040 --> 00:01:32,640 Speaker 2: you didn't or that you that you walked out because 34 00:01:32,680 --> 00:01:33,280 Speaker 2: you were angry. 35 00:01:33,920 --> 00:01:36,000 Speaker 4: No, I walked out because I have to plan the 36 00:01:36,000 --> 00:01:38,440 Speaker 4: rest of the day ahead. I had a speech right 37 00:01:38,480 --> 00:01:40,640 Speaker 4: after question time. I was the next person to be 38 00:01:40,680 --> 00:01:44,839 Speaker 4: giving a speech. So it's very normal for that to happen. 39 00:01:44,880 --> 00:01:46,760 Speaker 4: No one is required to be in the chamber for 40 00:01:46,880 --> 00:01:50,880 Speaker 4: question time, of course usually we are. But you know, 41 00:01:50,960 --> 00:01:54,440 Speaker 4: this is just an absolute distraction. What we've seen in 42 00:01:54,480 --> 00:01:57,000 Speaker 4: the last twenty four hours is it gunner government using 43 00:01:57,240 --> 00:02:00,400 Speaker 4: every weapon it's got to try and distract from the 44 00:02:00,480 --> 00:02:03,640 Speaker 4: narrative that our hospitals at code yellow crimes out of control. 45 00:02:03,680 --> 00:02:06,160 Speaker 4: They gave away thirty five million dollars to youth offenders 46 00:02:06,440 --> 00:02:07,960 Speaker 4: and twelve million to the Turf Club. 47 00:02:08,000 --> 00:02:10,400 Speaker 2: I've got to say though, I did watch Parliament during 48 00:02:10,480 --> 00:02:13,400 Speaker 2: question time and it was pretty disappointing. I know that 49 00:02:13,480 --> 00:02:16,920 Speaker 2: everyone wears their hearts on their sleeves and are obviously passionate, 50 00:02:17,240 --> 00:02:20,400 Speaker 2: but there seemed to be little respect shown from both sides. 51 00:02:20,840 --> 00:02:23,840 Speaker 2: My understanding is that the Speaking Aria kits now determined 52 00:02:23,880 --> 00:02:26,400 Speaker 2: that a parliamentary committee's going to look at the term 53 00:02:26,880 --> 00:02:30,239 Speaker 2: offense and the way it's used in parliament. So the 54 00:02:30,240 --> 00:02:33,160 Speaker 2: committee is going to look more closely after several standing 55 00:02:33,320 --> 00:02:38,239 Speaker 2: orders were called due to members well taking offense to comments. Lea, 56 00:02:38,360 --> 00:02:41,120 Speaker 2: you accused the government of using the term offense in 57 00:02:41,160 --> 00:02:44,600 Speaker 2: a way that was vexatious. What do you think needs 58 00:02:44,639 --> 00:02:45,280 Speaker 2: to happen here? 59 00:02:46,000 --> 00:02:47,320 Speaker 3: Without question, it was vexation. 60 00:02:47,400 --> 00:02:49,880 Speaker 4: I think the word offense was used forty five times 61 00:02:49,880 --> 00:02:52,680 Speaker 4: in parliament yesterday. I was interrupted during the whole day, 62 00:02:52,760 --> 00:02:55,840 Speaker 4: or just I think during the whole day it was 63 00:02:55,919 --> 00:03:00,640 Speaker 4: mentioned forty five times. I had twenty interruptions to my 64 00:03:00,760 --> 00:03:04,640 Speaker 4: speech from the Labor government. I had five interruptions during 65 00:03:04,760 --> 00:03:07,200 Speaker 4: question time. I mean it just I have a job 66 00:03:07,240 --> 00:03:10,160 Speaker 4: to do. I'm elected by territorians. To be in Parliament 67 00:03:10,200 --> 00:03:12,960 Speaker 4: and fight for them, and the Gunner government don't want 68 00:03:13,000 --> 00:03:13,400 Speaker 4: to hear it. 69 00:03:13,720 --> 00:03:16,120 Speaker 3: So you know, they're trying to do anything. 70 00:03:15,800 --> 00:03:18,040 Speaker 4: They can to stop us from sharing the views of 71 00:03:18,120 --> 00:03:21,240 Speaker 4: Territorians in the parliament. They just shut down any dissent. Now, 72 00:03:22,080 --> 00:03:25,400 Speaker 4: what the Speaker is saying, my understanding is that we 73 00:03:25,440 --> 00:03:27,880 Speaker 4: have a committee of the Parliament that decides the rules 74 00:03:27,880 --> 00:03:30,959 Speaker 4: of the Parliament. Now it's all very well to try 75 00:03:31,160 --> 00:03:32,960 Speaker 4: for me to try and say that, you know, the 76 00:03:33,000 --> 00:03:37,080 Speaker 4: word offensive is being It's a farce. I think Labor 77 00:03:37,080 --> 00:03:40,080 Speaker 4: are absolutely pretending to be offended in order to interrupt 78 00:03:40,760 --> 00:03:43,760 Speaker 4: my flow, and they're using it as a tool improperly. 79 00:03:43,920 --> 00:03:47,240 Speaker 4: That's an abuse of power and process. But ultimately, Natasha 80 00:03:47,240 --> 00:03:49,080 Speaker 4: far As, the Leader of Government Business, is the chair 81 00:03:49,360 --> 00:03:50,080 Speaker 4: of that committee. 82 00:03:50,160 --> 00:03:52,200 Speaker 3: So you're holding my brain. It's going to change here, 83 00:03:52,360 --> 00:03:53,360 Speaker 3: I don't think so at all. 84 00:03:53,600 --> 00:03:56,520 Speaker 4: Unless the members of that committee start to hold the 85 00:03:56,560 --> 00:03:59,760 Speaker 4: Parliament in higher repute than what they are, they'll continue 86 00:03:59,800 --> 00:04:01,800 Speaker 4: to use these rules as a weapon. 87 00:04:01,880 --> 00:04:03,320 Speaker 1: So what do you think needs to happen. 88 00:04:04,160 --> 00:04:06,000 Speaker 4: I think the government need to show a lot more 89 00:04:06,040 --> 00:04:08,480 Speaker 4: respect for the parliament and the process. We are elected 90 00:04:08,640 --> 00:04:11,040 Speaker 4: as members of parliament all of us are equal in 91 00:04:11,080 --> 00:04:11,600 Speaker 4: that chamber. 92 00:04:11,800 --> 00:04:13,600 Speaker 1: I mean they would say that it needs that you 93 00:04:13,720 --> 00:04:14,680 Speaker 1: need to do the same. 94 00:04:15,120 --> 00:04:17,120 Speaker 4: Well, I'm not sure how they can. Just because I 95 00:04:17,240 --> 00:04:19,440 Speaker 4: stand up and hold them to account does not mean 96 00:04:19,720 --> 00:04:21,640 Speaker 4: I shouldn't be able to say that like that is 97 00:04:21,680 --> 00:04:23,680 Speaker 4: literally my job is to stand up and say, you've 98 00:04:23,680 --> 00:04:26,840 Speaker 4: done a terrible job giving away thirty five million dollars 99 00:04:26,880 --> 00:04:29,600 Speaker 4: to youth offenders. You've done a terrible job being dodgy 100 00:04:29,640 --> 00:04:31,360 Speaker 4: with the turf club, Like that's my job. They don't 101 00:04:31,400 --> 00:04:33,599 Speaker 4: want to hear it. Doesn't mean they can be offended 102 00:04:33,640 --> 00:04:34,200 Speaker 4: by it. Now. 103 00:04:34,240 --> 00:04:36,400 Speaker 2: I know that you are tempted to censor the government 104 00:04:36,520 --> 00:04:40,480 Speaker 2: over that twelve million dollar grandstand grant that didn't happen. 105 00:04:40,720 --> 00:04:42,919 Speaker 2: Where does that now leave the opposition in terms of 106 00:04:42,960 --> 00:04:46,760 Speaker 2: getting to the bottom of questions that well, some territorians 107 00:04:46,800 --> 00:04:48,280 Speaker 2: still have around this. 108 00:04:48,680 --> 00:04:52,240 Speaker 4: We have significant questions around the government's involvement. Of course, 109 00:04:52,240 --> 00:04:55,240 Speaker 4: we know the Chief Minister took a six page document 110 00:04:55,320 --> 00:04:58,360 Speaker 4: under the arm into Cabinet which clearly hadn't been scrutinized. 111 00:04:58,440 --> 00:05:01,760 Speaker 4: They have lied in the to the faces of territories 112 00:05:02,000 --> 00:05:04,200 Speaker 4: around their involvement in this. They've pretended it was a 113 00:05:04,240 --> 00:05:07,039 Speaker 4: market led proposal. They've pretended that as a cabinet they 114 00:05:07,040 --> 00:05:10,520 Speaker 4: didn't know it hadn't been rigorously tested and scrutinized. I 115 00:05:10,520 --> 00:05:13,000 Speaker 4: think was the words of the Chief Minister. And we 116 00:05:13,160 --> 00:05:16,479 Speaker 4: pushed them yesterday to answer questions in parliament. Yesterday was 117 00:05:16,520 --> 00:05:19,040 Speaker 4: the first time in Parliament they would have to front 118 00:05:19,120 --> 00:05:21,160 Speaker 4: up and answer questions and they would not. 119 00:05:21,320 --> 00:05:22,400 Speaker 3: And do you know why, Katie. 120 00:05:22,440 --> 00:05:24,640 Speaker 4: It's because they are happy to lie to the faces 121 00:05:24,680 --> 00:05:27,440 Speaker 4: of Territorians through the media on the outside, but they 122 00:05:27,480 --> 00:05:29,560 Speaker 4: know if they stand in Parliament they cannot lie. And 123 00:05:29,640 --> 00:05:32,720 Speaker 4: that's why they're deflecting and dodging so that they don't 124 00:05:32,880 --> 00:05:33,840 Speaker 4: mislead the parliament. 125 00:05:34,080 --> 00:05:37,000 Speaker 2: Is it usual practice for a CeNSE of motion to 126 00:05:37,080 --> 00:05:39,400 Speaker 2: be sort of voted down? I mean the government has 127 00:05:39,480 --> 00:05:42,559 Speaker 2: the numbers, there's no doubt about that. During the last 128 00:05:42,600 --> 00:05:44,919 Speaker 2: term of parliament when it was just you and Gary Higgins, 129 00:05:44,920 --> 00:05:46,960 Speaker 2: did you ever attempt to censor the government then? 130 00:05:47,520 --> 00:05:48,320 Speaker 3: I think we did. 131 00:05:49,080 --> 00:05:52,479 Speaker 4: I can't remember the exact number, but it is absolutely 132 00:05:52,600 --> 00:05:55,520 Speaker 4: convention that censures are accepted. I know when we were 133 00:05:55,520 --> 00:05:57,680 Speaker 4: previously in government, I think there was maybe one or 134 00:05:57,720 --> 00:05:59,680 Speaker 4: two that we didn't accept out of the whole term 135 00:05:59,720 --> 00:06:02,760 Speaker 4: of GUS and what it is. It's a debate that 136 00:06:02,880 --> 00:06:06,360 Speaker 4: is brought on about a very serious issue. So for example, 137 00:06:06,360 --> 00:06:08,200 Speaker 4: for us with the turf Club, it's around the Chief 138 00:06:08,200 --> 00:06:11,080 Speaker 4: Minister and the cabinet's conduct and so we wanted to 139 00:06:11,080 --> 00:06:13,440 Speaker 4: have a debate about that. Now, instead of having the 140 00:06:13,480 --> 00:06:16,720 Speaker 4: debate and then defending themselves and their position or explaining 141 00:06:16,720 --> 00:06:19,320 Speaker 4: to territories what went on from their perspective, they just 142 00:06:19,360 --> 00:06:21,800 Speaker 4: shut it down because they don't want to talk about 143 00:06:21,839 --> 00:06:24,400 Speaker 4: it whatsoever. And this is what they're doing if they 144 00:06:24,440 --> 00:06:27,200 Speaker 4: don't like what they hear, Like the COMSECT report says 145 00:06:27,200 --> 00:06:30,000 Speaker 4: we're coming last out of all jurisdictions, so Michael says 146 00:06:30,000 --> 00:06:30,960 Speaker 4: he's going to throw it in the bin. 147 00:06:31,080 --> 00:06:32,120 Speaker 3: This is how they operate. 148 00:06:32,279 --> 00:06:35,080 Speaker 2: So we're in a situation now where obviously you've attempted 149 00:06:35,120 --> 00:06:37,360 Speaker 2: to centure the government over this twelve million dollar grant 150 00:06:37,400 --> 00:06:40,279 Speaker 2: stand grant to find out some more detail that's obviously 151 00:06:40,320 --> 00:06:42,599 Speaker 2: not going to happen. Is it time to let the 152 00:06:42,640 --> 00:06:43,160 Speaker 2: issue go? 153 00:06:43,400 --> 00:06:46,400 Speaker 4: Absolutely not. This is a critical issue. This is an 154 00:06:46,440 --> 00:06:49,640 Speaker 4: issue about transparency. This is an issue about the way 155 00:06:49,680 --> 00:06:52,080 Speaker 4: in which this government operate. If they think it's okay 156 00:06:52,240 --> 00:06:55,440 Speaker 4: to orchestrate a done deal with the Turf Club for 157 00:06:55,520 --> 00:06:59,880 Speaker 4: twelve million dollars and then try and retrospectively create a 158 00:07:00,040 --> 00:07:02,680 Speaker 4: process to make it look official, only to just walk 159 00:07:02,720 --> 00:07:06,040 Speaker 4: it into cabinet without any of the appropriate you know, 160 00:07:06,120 --> 00:07:09,120 Speaker 4: scrutiny by Treasury or whoever else should have looked at. 161 00:07:09,120 --> 00:07:11,800 Speaker 4: It is an absolute joke. And if that's how the 162 00:07:11,840 --> 00:07:13,800 Speaker 4: government think they can do business, well a little wonder. 163 00:07:13,800 --> 00:07:16,360 Speaker 4: We've got nine billion dollars debt and it just begs 164 00:07:16,360 --> 00:07:19,440 Speaker 4: a bigger question. What other decisions have been made by 165 00:07:19,440 --> 00:07:21,400 Speaker 4: the Gunner government in this same manner. 166 00:07:21,560 --> 00:07:23,800 Speaker 2: Well, there's no doubt that they still need to face 167 00:07:23,800 --> 00:07:27,400 Speaker 2: some scrutiny I think over this twelve million dollar grant. 168 00:07:27,640 --> 00:07:30,280 Speaker 2: But you certainly faced some scrutiny over comments that you've 169 00:07:30,280 --> 00:07:33,520 Speaker 2: apparently made around the fires a vaccine Lea, did you 170 00:07:33,600 --> 00:07:36,280 Speaker 2: say that you thought we should send our vaccine to 171 00:07:36,360 --> 00:07:39,680 Speaker 2: New South Wales to assist them through their current situation. 172 00:07:39,960 --> 00:07:42,240 Speaker 4: I'm really glad you asked me this, Katie, because this 173 00:07:42,320 --> 00:07:46,680 Speaker 4: has been a most disgusting maneuver by the Gunner government 174 00:07:46,720 --> 00:07:50,640 Speaker 4: to incite fear in territorians, to create division, to spread lies, 175 00:07:50,680 --> 00:07:51,840 Speaker 4: and to weaponize codes. 176 00:07:52,520 --> 00:07:52,840 Speaker 3: No no. 177 00:07:53,160 --> 00:07:55,840 Speaker 4: So, first of all, what we had a couple of 178 00:07:55,920 --> 00:07:59,040 Speaker 4: weeks ago, and I have for two weeks answered all 179 00:07:59,080 --> 00:08:01,760 Speaker 4: media questions are this is a particular outlet who are 180 00:08:01,640 --> 00:08:04,440 Speaker 4: a very interested and my response has been consistent. We 181 00:08:04,480 --> 00:08:06,440 Speaker 4: had a situation where a couple of weeks ago, I 182 00:08:06,640 --> 00:08:09,000 Speaker 4: was asked by the media, you know people in New 183 00:08:09,040 --> 00:08:11,880 Speaker 4: South Wales are suffering, hundreds of them people are dying. 184 00:08:11,960 --> 00:08:14,640 Speaker 4: Do you think we should send vaccines to New South Wales? 185 00:08:14,960 --> 00:08:17,760 Speaker 4: And my response was off the back of the fact 186 00:08:17,760 --> 00:08:22,000 Speaker 4: that previously we had been stockpiling vaccines, I said, you know, 187 00:08:22,120 --> 00:08:24,560 Speaker 4: if we had any spares, then maybe we need to 188 00:08:24,600 --> 00:08:27,440 Speaker 4: consider sending any spares. I want to make it really 189 00:08:27,440 --> 00:08:31,000 Speaker 4: clear that I will always put Territorians first. I will 190 00:08:31,000 --> 00:08:33,959 Speaker 4: always do everything I can to keep them safe. You know, Katie, 191 00:08:34,040 --> 00:08:37,200 Speaker 4: I'm a third generation Territorian. I'm a mother with young children. 192 00:08:37,240 --> 00:08:39,280 Speaker 4: I have a ninety five year old grandmother who lives 193 00:08:39,280 --> 00:08:41,559 Speaker 4: in the territory. And if the Gunner government think that 194 00:08:41,720 --> 00:08:44,600 Speaker 4: Territorians are buying that, I don't want to keep people safe. 195 00:08:44,720 --> 00:08:45,360 Speaker 3: It's a joke. 196 00:08:45,559 --> 00:08:49,600 Speaker 4: All I simply said was if we're stockpiling, maybe it 197 00:08:49,640 --> 00:08:50,959 Speaker 4: can go to New South Wales. 198 00:08:50,960 --> 00:08:52,760 Speaker 3: Where people are dying. 199 00:08:52,960 --> 00:08:56,080 Speaker 2: Do you think it's approprius given we need to ensure 200 00:08:56,080 --> 00:08:59,600 Speaker 2: all that Territorians are vaccinated, and many listening would know 201 00:09:00,160 --> 00:09:03,160 Speaker 2: we have got a very vulnerable population. 202 00:09:02,720 --> 00:09:05,840 Speaker 4: Without question, the territory without question, and this is the 203 00:09:05,840 --> 00:09:08,440 Speaker 4: fascical thing. For two months I have been screaming from 204 00:09:08,480 --> 00:09:10,760 Speaker 4: the rooftop that the Gunner government need to get more 205 00:09:10,760 --> 00:09:11,600 Speaker 4: people vaccinated. 206 00:09:11,600 --> 00:09:13,960 Speaker 3: I have been out in the bush in remote. 207 00:09:13,640 --> 00:09:17,840 Speaker 4: Communities and vaccination rates are very very low. Also, we've 208 00:09:17,880 --> 00:09:21,240 Speaker 4: had a report today from a doctor's surgery saying that 209 00:09:21,480 --> 00:09:23,600 Speaker 4: people aren't coming through the door and they do have 210 00:09:23,640 --> 00:09:26,400 Speaker 4: stock piles of vaccines, so this is a legitimate issue. 211 00:09:26,440 --> 00:09:30,160 Speaker 4: I've also been calling very loudly for the COVID vaccine 212 00:09:30,160 --> 00:09:33,079 Speaker 4: portal to be updated. So currently, if you're a territory 213 00:09:33,120 --> 00:09:35,559 Speaker 4: as I'm being vaccinated, if you go on there. 214 00:09:35,480 --> 00:09:36,920 Speaker 3: You'll find it very difficult. 215 00:09:36,960 --> 00:09:39,280 Speaker 4: And up until a couple of weeks ago, people were 216 00:09:39,280 --> 00:09:42,040 Speaker 4: being told there are no availability for vaccines. 217 00:09:42,040 --> 00:09:43,600 Speaker 3: Now that's simply not true. 218 00:09:43,720 --> 00:09:47,440 Speaker 4: That portal doesn't capture the doctor surgeries, it doesn't capture 219 00:09:47,559 --> 00:09:50,280 Speaker 4: the parmesan superclinic, and so people are not getting their 220 00:09:50,360 --> 00:09:53,360 Speaker 4: vaccine because they think there isn't any available when there is. 221 00:09:53,440 --> 00:09:57,200 Speaker 2: So, Leah, if you are concerned about those vaccination rates 222 00:09:57,240 --> 00:09:58,959 Speaker 2: in the Northern Territory. 223 00:09:58,440 --> 00:10:01,120 Speaker 4: Why did you say it, Well, I think you're not 224 00:10:01,360 --> 00:10:04,200 Speaker 4: listening to the context, Katie. With respect, what I said 225 00:10:04,240 --> 00:10:07,400 Speaker 4: is if we have surplus, then maybe we can send 226 00:10:07,400 --> 00:10:07,720 Speaker 4: the serf. 227 00:10:07,800 --> 00:10:09,080 Speaker 1: Have we ever had surplus? 228 00:10:09,120 --> 00:10:12,080 Speaker 4: Though, yes, we did last year. Michael Gunner was you 229 00:10:12,080 --> 00:10:14,400 Speaker 4: know we were stockpiling. We've got a doctor surgery come 230 00:10:14,440 --> 00:10:17,080 Speaker 4: out to say and say they're stockpiling. Michael Gunners come 231 00:10:17,080 --> 00:10:19,360 Speaker 4: out and said, no, we don't have surplus. Fine, that's 232 00:10:19,520 --> 00:10:21,679 Speaker 4: that's the end of the matter. All I you know, 233 00:10:21,720 --> 00:10:23,520 Speaker 4: I don't have the health advice, I don't have the 234 00:10:23,600 --> 00:10:26,440 Speaker 4: vaccine numbers. Government don't give me any of that information. 235 00:10:26,800 --> 00:10:30,720 Speaker 4: I was asked and I said, if the surplus then 236 00:10:30,880 --> 00:10:33,280 Speaker 4: we can look at it. That's a decision for Michael Gunner. 237 00:10:33,400 --> 00:10:35,560 Speaker 4: He's a chief minister. He has said we don't have 238 00:10:35,640 --> 00:10:38,640 Speaker 4: any I've said, okay, that's the end of the matter. 239 00:10:38,920 --> 00:10:40,679 Speaker 2: It seems to be a real sticking point for the 240 00:10:40,720 --> 00:10:41,600 Speaker 2: government at the moment. 241 00:10:41,600 --> 00:10:43,880 Speaker 1: They've certainly leapt on this. I mean, do you regret 242 00:10:44,000 --> 00:10:44,400 Speaker 1: saying it? 243 00:10:44,880 --> 00:10:45,720 Speaker 3: Absolutely not. 244 00:10:46,000 --> 00:10:48,960 Speaker 4: This is a government that are utilizing COVID as a 245 00:10:49,000 --> 00:10:53,439 Speaker 4: weapon to incite fear and hate and divide the community. 246 00:10:53,600 --> 00:10:55,719 Speaker 3: It is. It is a disgrace. This is how dictators 247 00:10:55,720 --> 00:10:56,560 Speaker 3: control Katie. 248 00:10:56,640 --> 00:10:59,600 Speaker 4: They control by fear and when they have no respect 249 00:10:59,600 --> 00:11:02,920 Speaker 4: in author of their own they create fear in their community. 250 00:11:02,920 --> 00:11:06,800 Speaker 4: And I think any reasonable Territorian would understand what I 251 00:11:06,920 --> 00:11:10,080 Speaker 4: was saying and the hysterical way in which are Gunna 252 00:11:10,120 --> 00:11:12,600 Speaker 4: government are coming out to weaponize COVID because it's all 253 00:11:12,600 --> 00:11:15,559 Speaker 4: they've got. The reality is Hugh Heggy's giving them advice. 254 00:11:15,800 --> 00:11:19,160 Speaker 4: He's the one keeping territorians safe. They're doing what they're 255 00:11:19,200 --> 00:11:22,680 Speaker 4: being told by him, and this is desperate behavior of 256 00:11:22,720 --> 00:11:24,800 Speaker 4: a government who've decided that this is going to be 257 00:11:24,840 --> 00:11:26,679 Speaker 4: their election platform for daily. 258 00:11:26,520 --> 00:11:29,960 Speaker 2: Okay, Well, one thing that both you and the government 259 00:11:30,120 --> 00:11:33,720 Speaker 2: have actually agreed on yesterday in Parliament was referring the 260 00:11:33,760 --> 00:11:37,480 Speaker 2: former Ikak Commissioner to the Privileges Committee. The Chief Minister 261 00:11:37,559 --> 00:11:40,240 Speaker 2: Michael going to move that motion after mister Fleming made 262 00:11:40,240 --> 00:11:43,959 Speaker 2: those comments during an appearance before estimates in June. Leah, 263 00:11:44,000 --> 00:11:46,200 Speaker 2: why did you think that this needs to happen? 264 00:11:47,520 --> 00:11:51,360 Speaker 4: So what we had is a situation where previous Commissioner 265 00:11:51,360 --> 00:11:56,520 Speaker 4: Fleming made a very detailed statement before the Estimates Committee 266 00:11:56,559 --> 00:11:58,920 Speaker 4: and then we had the rebuttal, I suppose you could 267 00:11:58,960 --> 00:12:03,200 Speaker 4: say from the person subject to mister Fleming's comments, they 268 00:12:03,280 --> 00:12:06,840 Speaker 4: are conflicting and so it is entirely appropriate that the 269 00:12:06,840 --> 00:12:09,720 Speaker 4: Privileged com Privileges Committee review that. That is their job 270 00:12:09,760 --> 00:12:13,080 Speaker 4: to see if people are misleading the Parliament. And so 271 00:12:13,200 --> 00:12:15,880 Speaker 4: now that process will take pace place. But what's really 272 00:12:15,960 --> 00:12:18,760 Speaker 4: important is we reminded the government that two months ago 273 00:12:18,840 --> 00:12:21,600 Speaker 4: the Opposition raised this in Parliament and we were shut down. 274 00:12:21,720 --> 00:12:24,560 Speaker 3: We believe very very strongly that at. 275 00:12:24,400 --> 00:12:26,520 Speaker 4: This juncture and this point in the road for the 276 00:12:26,559 --> 00:12:30,200 Speaker 4: IK which is critical to the territory, it needs to 277 00:12:30,280 --> 00:12:33,600 Speaker 4: have confidence restored, the government are doing are behind the scenes, 278 00:12:33,760 --> 00:12:38,240 Speaker 4: backdoor review without any input from the community. We believe 279 00:12:38,559 --> 00:12:41,360 Speaker 4: just as when the IK Act was created, what happened 280 00:12:41,400 --> 00:12:43,760 Speaker 4: back then was that a full committee of the Parliament 281 00:12:43,800 --> 00:12:47,360 Speaker 4: was established. They sought expressions of interest, they held submissions, 282 00:12:47,360 --> 00:12:50,960 Speaker 4: public hearings and territories could really give input. Now the 283 00:12:50,960 --> 00:12:53,800 Speaker 4: Gunner government are reviewing it but behind the scenes, behind 284 00:12:53,840 --> 00:12:56,280 Speaker 4: closed doors, and they're controlling it. You can't have a 285 00:12:56,280 --> 00:12:59,600 Speaker 4: government control the future power and operation of the very 286 00:12:59,640 --> 00:13:03,480 Speaker 4: eYIC that will undoubtedly be scrutinizing the government and that's 287 00:13:03,520 --> 00:13:07,440 Speaker 4: a huge problem at a roads confidence in territories about 288 00:13:07,600 --> 00:13:08,920 Speaker 4: what this institution is for. 289 00:13:09,200 --> 00:13:12,040 Speaker 2: Leofanochi Areo, we've run out of time. Always good to 290 00:13:12,080 --> 00:13:13,640 Speaker 2: have you in the studio. Thank you very much for 291 00:13:13,679 --> 00:13:14,360 Speaker 2: your time this morning. 292 00:13:14,480 --> 00:13:15,320 Speaker 3: Can you take care everyone? 293 00:13:15,480 --> 00:13:18,160 Speaker 2: Opposition leader Leofanochi are O there now. If you're keen 294 00:13:18,160 --> 00:13:20,960 Speaker 2: to call through eight nine four one one oh four nine, 295 00:13:21,040 --> 00:13:23,520 Speaker 2: or you can also send us a text message zero 296 00:13:23,640 --> 00:13:26,680 Speaker 2: four three nine two three eight eight one eight. I 297 00:13:26,720 --> 00:13:29,439 Speaker 2: am keen to get your thoughts this morning on whether 298 00:13:29,480 --> 00:13:31,920 Speaker 2: you think that it's appropriate that the government shut down 299 00:13:31,920 --> 00:13:35,520 Speaker 2: that censere motion yesterday in Parliament around the twelve million 300 00:13:35,559 --> 00:13:38,959 Speaker 2: dollar Do and Turf Club grant. Do you want there 301 00:13:39,000 --> 00:13:41,320 Speaker 2: to be discussion on this? Do you want there to 302 00:13:41,360 --> 00:13:44,640 Speaker 2: be further questions answered? Very keen to hear from you 303 00:13:44,640 --> 00:13:45,000 Speaker 2: this morning.