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Speaker 1: This episode is brought to you by The Athlete's Foot.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to The Wrap, a weekly podcast covering women's sports

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Speaker 1: news bears. What have we got around the grounds? This week?

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Speaker 2: Ossie paralympian and Madison Derosaria wins the London Marathon in

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Speaker 2: a sprint finish that was EPI.

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Speaker 1: So good, like a second between them.

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Speaker 2: I know we're not meant to talk about it yet,

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Speaker 2: but I'm talking about it. It was so good. Continuing,

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Speaker 2: defending world champ, Molly O'Callahan claims one hundred meter two

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Speaker 2: hundred metre double at the National Swimming champs. And this

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Speaker 2: is my favorite story of the week, the Scottish marathon

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Speaker 2: rudder that caught a ride in a car midway through

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Speaker 2: the race.

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Speaker 1: I can't stop laughing at that one. I shouldn't laugh

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Speaker 1: because it's so not okay, But I think her excuses

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Speaker 1: that we will get to just keep making me laugh.

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Speaker 2: I just keep thinking about all the things that I

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Speaker 2: could win if I used a motorized vehicle.

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Speaker 1: I'd say a lot of things.

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Speaker 2: Don't worry, I've started to think about it as a plan.

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Speaker 2: In place.

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Speaker 1: For the key story, we'll discuss Kate Campbell's powerful pleat

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Speaker 1: end online abuse. My name is Chloe Dalton and I'm

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Speaker 1: joined every week on the show, but my co host Bez,

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Speaker 1: who's across all things women's sport, te fat researcher and

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Speaker 1: women's rugby Bez. Today we are celebrating the hundredth episode

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Speaker 1: of the Rap.

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Speaker 2: We should be raising the bat, but we're not together.

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Speaker 1: Do you have a bat? I don't. Yeah, I know

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Speaker 1: we've gone We've gone remote. As you've just recovered from

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Speaker 1: round two of the spicy cough.

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Speaker 2: I do have. Funnily enough, I've got my Rats one

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Speaker 2: hundredth cap here. That kind of works. I should probably

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Speaker 2: wear it.

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Speaker 1: I think you probably should wear it for the whole episode.

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Speaker 1: So how many games did you play? This is for

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Speaker 1: the Warringer Rats up. The Mighty Rats are local rugby

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Speaker 1: club which is where Bes and I first met when

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Speaker 1: I started playing rugby and she was coaching there.

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Speaker 2: We're going much down memory lane here, yes we are.

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Speaker 1: How many games did you play in total? For the Rats?

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Speaker 2: I played one hundred and sixty seven. I've probably coached more,

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Speaker 2: but one hundred and sixty seven according to the board

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Speaker 2: down at Rap Pike.

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Speaker 1: Amazing.

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Speaker 2: It's a bit well a bit dusty, but yeah, one hundred.

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Speaker 1: Are you gonna wear it? No?

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Speaker 2: I look like a little you know what with it

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Speaker 1: Hey. We wanted to celebrate celebrate by giving away three

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Speaker 1: am listeners who are onto it from the very beginning.

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Speaker 1: the Female Athlete Project and say wrap one hundred and

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Speaker 2: Oh good, happy hundred. Oh and just quickly, if you

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Speaker 2: are listening to this podcast on Tuesday, we just want

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Speaker 2: to ignore it. It is ANZAC Day today and a

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Speaker 2: huge heartfelt thank you to service women and men past

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Speaker 2: and present. It's a very solemn day, ANZAC Day and

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Speaker 2: something that yeah, I hope that we all continued to

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Speaker 2: learn from.

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Speaker 1: Let's take a look around the grounds in the London

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Speaker 1: Marathon bears you touched on it in the intro. This

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Speaker 1: was man, This was a cool finish. So on Sunday night,

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Speaker 1: our time, Madison deer Rosario won her second London Marathon,

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Speaker 1: adding to the trophy she won in twenty eighteen. The

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Speaker 1: finish was breathtaking, with de Rosario sprinting to the line

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Speaker 1: to beat defending champion Manuela Shah of Switzerland by just

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Speaker 1: one second in the women's wheelchair race. De Rosario was

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Speaker 1: competing less than a week after she finished second in

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Speaker 1: the Boston Marathon, and finished in the time of one hour,

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Speaker 1: thirty eight minutes and fifty one seconds. After the race,

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Speaker 1: she paid tribute to the quality of the field, saying

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Speaker 1: that was an intimidating field to be a part of.

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Speaker 1: You look around and you see these three women you're

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Speaker 1: pushing with and thinking, these are the best athletes in

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Speaker 1: the world. Cat de Brunner won this race last year

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Speaker 1: in a course record. Manuel has been dominant for such

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Speaker 2: One of the most awesome things from the footage that

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Speaker 2: I've seen out of the marathon though, is when Madison

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Speaker 2: and Manuel across the line and just instantly reach for

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Speaker 1: So cool. Isn't it cool that that's their first reaction?

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Speaker 2: Just really really got me in the fields this morning.

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Speaker 2: In football, Sydney FC and Melmen Victory looked like they

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Speaker 2: were heading to extra time in their preliminar final on Saturday,

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Speaker 2: but in the eighty ninth minute, the sky Blues finally

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Speaker 2: found a way past impressive Victory keeper Casey Dumont. Striker

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Speaker 2: Madison Haley pounced on a rare handling error from Dumont

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Speaker 2: and poked the ball home to see a one nil

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Speaker 2: It was a pretty cruel way for Dumont to give

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Speaker 2: up a goal she'd repelled pretty much every other attack

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Speaker 2: that had come her way. SYDNEYFC again dominant. They had

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Speaker 2: twenty three shots to victories four, with Courtney Vine and

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Speaker 2: Goalscorre Haley constant threats throughout the match. Sydney captain and

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Speaker 2: Natalie Tobin told Paramount Plus after the win, we all

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Speaker 2: started to get in our heads the Grand Final two

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Speaker 2: years ago and what happened then, But as soon as

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Speaker 2: Mattie put that one away, oh my god. Huge sigh

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Speaker 2: of relief. So SYDNEYA now just one win away from

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Speaker 2: claiming that a League Women Premiership Championship double and we're

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Speaker 2: hoping that they can get the job done in what

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Speaker 2: will be their six straight Grand Final. It's pretty impressive

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Speaker 2: record from the sky Blues. They will have to get

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Speaker 2: past Chloe's favorite team, Western United, beat them one nil

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Speaker 2: in the semi final just two weeks ago. Western Un

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Speaker 2: I we thought like they were given little chance in

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Speaker 2: their first season to make the top four, finish second

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Speaker 2: and then qualify for the GF. They'll obviously be alone

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Speaker 2: pretty heavily on American striker and League's Golden Boot winner

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Speaker 2: week if they are going to upset the super consistent

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Speaker 2: Sydney FC again for the second time in two weeks.

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Speaker 2: I'm all about the sky Blues.

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Speaker 1: I'm so torn because of course I'm Skyblue, like I

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Speaker 1: I just love that. It's such a powerful story and

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Speaker 1: I think I think moments like this are great ways

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Speaker 1: rugby League, Harvey Norman New South Wales Women's Premiership semi

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Speaker 1: finals were played on Sunday and minor premiers North Sydney

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Speaker 1: Bears were upset by the Mountings team like Art Oval,

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Speaker 1: Mountains played an impressive first half and jumped out to

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Speaker 1: that contains international players Racing McGregor, Kira dib Sarah Tuggatu

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Speaker 1: they were always going to make a comeback and although

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Speaker 1: but you know what, Mountis had a plan and came

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Speaker 1: in that game. In the other semi final, the Canterbury

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Speaker 1: Bankstown Bulldogs earned their grand Final spot with a tough

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Speaker 1: sixteen to eight win over the Ilwora Steelers. The game

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Speaker 1: to the sheds at four all. The Bulldogs lost props

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Speaker 1: Holly Wheeler and Angelina Tia Karanga Katoa in the second half,

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Speaker 1: with only fifteen fit players available. Mona Lisa Soliola scored

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Speaker 1: huge for the Dogs, proving a handful to bring down

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Speaker 1: every time she touched the ball. Mountis and the Bulldogs

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Speaker 1: will battle for the premiership on Saturday at Life Card Oval,

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Speaker 1: kickoff six pm.

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Speaker 2: In surfing, the Market River Pro has seen the surface

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Speaker 2: compete in some really epic waves and when the surfing

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Speaker 2: two Bossie semifinalists, but sadly some excellent surfers suffering the

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Speaker 2: dreaded mid season cut. The top ten was decided after

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Speaker 2: the quarter finals, with Sally Fitzgibbons missing the cut for

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Speaker 2: a second straight season after bowing out to American Caroline

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Speaker 2: Marks in the quarters. It has to be said that

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Speaker 2: only having ten women proceed to the back half of

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Speaker 2: the men's cut sees their tourduce to twenty two surfers.

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Speaker 2: They obviously for each tournament stop they have two wild cards,

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Speaker 2: so it turns into twelve women twenty four men, twice

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Speaker 2: as many opportunities for the male surfers, which is disappointing.

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Speaker 2: The cut has been met with criticism from some of

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Speaker 2: the world's best surfers, and there's been some robust debate

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Speaker 2: around the cut, with WSL chief Eric Logan to confirming

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Speaker 2: that there would be changes next season. He told the

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Speaker 2: Citny Morning Herald, once we get through twenty twenty three,

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Speaker 2: twenty twenty four is an Olympic year, that's a good

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Speaker 2: opportunity to evaluate what's working and what's not. And I

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Speaker 2: think it's fair to assume that we as illegal will

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Speaker 2: make refinements to these formats. We're always talking to our

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Speaker 2: think about the finals formats and also the midyear cuts.

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Speaker 1: Lucy Small, the longboarder who has done a lot to

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Speaker 1: campaign in surfing, in particular around a gender equality piece,

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Speaker 1: has been calling out a lot of this. I think

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Speaker 1: Surfing WSL in particular.

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Speaker 3: Have done an amazing job and the gender equality.

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Speaker 1: Piece, but I think formats like this are probably pretty

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Speaker 1: key in the opportunity piece. We know the equal pay

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Speaker 1: for the equal prize money is a huge component of that,

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Speaker 1: but I think limiting the opportunities for the number of

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Speaker 1: doesn't help the continued development of the sport.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely agree. So as we said, Doss Surfer Sally,

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Speaker 2: if it's given, Isabella Nichols, Macy Callahan and Sophi McCulloch

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Speaker 2: will all now return to the Challenger Series and hope

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Speaker 2: they can pick up one of those two wild card

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Speaker 2: spots offered at each of the CT events remaining. It

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Speaker 2: just also limits them having time surfing the best waves,

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Speaker 2: which is what the Challenge, what the Championship, the World

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Speaker 2: Championship Tour provides. Back to Margaret River, tylerright is still

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Speaker 2: in contention for the title. It was a Tyler Steph quarterfinal,

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Speaker 2: which just makes me sad every time.

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Speaker 1: I know, you don't want them to face off so early.

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Speaker 2: It's horrible. So she'll face Caroline Marks in the semi

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Speaker 2: and local surfer Bronte McCaulay is in the other semi

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Speaker 2: against Chrusen Moore. No surfing today Monday, and it looks

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Speaker 2: wild and wooly for the rest of the week. I'm

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Speaker 2: not sure when they're going to squeeze the last day

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Speaker 2: about eighteen foot faces with some nasty on shore wins,

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Speaker 2: so we might be waiting a while. The condensed tour

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Speaker 2: will then next stop head to Kelly Sladers surf ranch

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Speaker 2: in California, which is at the end of May, and

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Speaker 1: In ultra marathon, Scottish runner Josia Zakruski collected the bronze

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Speaker 2: True. Apologies to all those ultra marathon runners. We respect you,

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Speaker 1: In swimming, the Australian Swimming champs in the Gold Coast

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Speaker 1: Let's take a look at the key story before we

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Speaker 2: In some kind of online bullying news, I guess. Just

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Speaker 2: In that article, Campbell outlines a long list of personal

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Speaker 1: Really, Campbell notes in her article that many people's solution

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Speaker 1: to the online vitriol that's thrown her ways just to

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Speaker 1: get off social media. And I think what I really

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Speaker 1: loved about Campbell addressing this in the article is this

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Speaker 1: discussion around the fact that for a lot of female athletes,

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Speaker 1: they can't get off social media because it's a huge

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Speaker 1: source of income for them. I think what we've seen

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Speaker 1: a lot of time with male athletes is because they

442
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Speaker 1: do get a huge amount of media coverage, they almost

443
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Speaker 1: automatically gain following, not by having to engage with their

444
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Speaker 1: audience and consistently post and do sponsored brand posts, because

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Speaker 1: the clubs and the foundations and the media and all

446
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Speaker 1: of these sources of information build the men's profiles for

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Speaker 1: them without them having to do a lot. And that's

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Speaker 1: not saying there's a lot of great male athletes that

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Speaker 1: do it do a really great job of engaging with

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Speaker 1: their followers and fans on social media, but by default

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Speaker 1: they've got this really great foundation. So I think Kate's

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Speaker 1: point around, a lot of female athletes can't just get

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Speaker 1: offline because then they might not be able to afford

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Speaker 1: to compete in their sport a lot of the time.

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Speaker 1: So I think it's I think it's really important to

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Speaker 1: note that it's actually not the solution. And regardless of

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Speaker 1: the fact of whether they're earning an income from social

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Speaker 1: media or not, it shouldn't be the solution. It should

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Speaker 1: not be the people who are the victims of social

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Speaker 1: abuse who are the ones who are having to get

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Speaker 1: off That's simply not the right answer.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, you're effectively victim blaming if you're saying get

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Speaker 2: off social media. It's that same thing. Don't walk home

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Speaker 2: late at night by yourself, don't wear short skirts like

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Speaker 2: it's so tiresome. It's done, it's over. Stop blaming victims.

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Speaker 2: It's not. Okay.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I totally agree.

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Speaker 2: I think I've so Campbell said in the article, Well,

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Speaker 2: she kind of finished it with a plea for people

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Speaker 2: to consider the person behind the player, saying that behind

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Speaker 2: each iconic sporting moment you get to joy is a person,

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Speaker 2: not an athlete, a person, A person who has worked

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Speaker 2: and sacrificed, a person who has pushed the limits of

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Speaker 2: human capabilities, a person who has inevitably won and lost,

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Speaker 2: and yet does not let the losses define them. It

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Speaker 2: was a really great article. If you haven't read it,

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Speaker 2: seek it out. Campbell speaks so well about it. Unfortunately,

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Speaker 2: only days later, she spoke to Channel nine and detailed

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Speaker 2: a really frightening experience. Just after she released that article,

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Speaker 2: she told nine, I had a scary experience just the

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Speaker 2: other day. I released an article talking about the online

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Speaker 2: abuse that I had received, and that night I received

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Speaker 2: a phone call at one am. The caller left a

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Speaker 2: message saying that if I didn't pick up the efing phone,

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Speaker 2: they were going to rape me. I think that experience

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Speaker 2: isn't unique to me. It's not unique to many female

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Speaker 2: figures online. And the scary thing is how threatened I

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Speaker 2: felt about it and that my personal safety was in danger.

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Speaker 2: Campbell noted in that interview that the prevalence and type

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Speaker 2: of views directed at female athletes was different to that

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Speaker 2: experience by male athletes. I don't think this isn't an

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Speaker 2: what aboutism kind of argument. It's we understand that both

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Speaker 2: male and female athletes are targeted just as much by

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Speaker 2: trolls and people online. But I think Kate spoke really well.

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Speaker 2: She said, I'm not saying the online abuse is unique

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Speaker 2: to females. I know that we have seen some horrific

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Speaker 2: racial abuse world in the NRL NDAFL, But I think

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Speaker 2: the nature of the abuse when it is directed to

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Speaker 2: females is much more predatory and feels a lot more

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Speaker 2: threatening because by nature, we are a bit more vulnerable,

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Speaker 2: and like you said before, Clough, I think one of

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Speaker 2: the biggest thing is is such a small number of

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Speaker 2: female athletes that have broken through that kind of ceiling

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Speaker 2: where they receive the coverage and the exposure and they

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Speaker 2: have the profile purely because of their athletic achievements. So

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Speaker 2: many more female athletes have to sell a different part

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Speaker 2: of themselves, or you have a more rounded approach to

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Speaker 2: gaining that exposure than a male athlete does. It can

509
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Speaker 2: just genuinely be good at his craft and become famous

510
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Speaker 2: whereas and earn a good living, whereas a female athlete

511
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Speaker 2: oftentimes has to have more strings to their bow, so

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Speaker 2: to speak.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think on that discussion, I find that one

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Speaker 1: a really interesting one. The level of surprise that people

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Speaker 1: often have for female athletes, as you say, being well rounded,

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Speaker 1: and I think a lot of the time it's because

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Speaker 1: they have to. Like I think when I tell people,

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Speaker 1: I don't currently work as a physio, but I'm a

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Speaker 1: qualified physio, and I talk about the fact that I

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Speaker 1: have a physio degree, But then I also love doing

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Speaker 1: work in the media and doing keynote presentations and doing

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Speaker 1: all of these things. I've actually had to expand my

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Speaker 1: skill set so that I can make enough of an

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Speaker 1: income outside of a part time football career. Like I

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Speaker 1: love doing those things, but it's also a necessity, and

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Speaker 1: I think people are so surprised when it's something that

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Speaker 1: I do. But I don't think the correlation is made

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Speaker 1: between the fact that you can't really make a living

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Speaker 1: unless you add more strings to your bow. A lot

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Speaker 1: of the time as a female athlete.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely the only busiest human that I know. And

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Speaker 2: it's you know, we see it firsthand through tfapp as well,

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Speaker 2: what those people online say and how it can make

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Speaker 2: you feel. I mean, you've shared some stuff with me

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Speaker 2: that's really upset you in the past. And it's just

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Speaker 2: as Kate said, I just wish that people were better

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Speaker 2: and understood that on the end of that social media

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Speaker 2: profile where someone's really just trying to make a living

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Speaker 2: and tell their story is another human being. And yeah,

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Speaker 2: I mean, how does some of those comments make you

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Speaker 2: feel that you sometimes get on our social pages?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I often feel torn. And I was actually messaging

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Speaker 1: Sam Squires, who's an incredible journalist, just the other day

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Speaker 1: about a post that she put up talking about live

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Speaker 1: Golf and the fact that live Golf is actually a space.

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Speaker 3: Just for men.

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Speaker 1: There's no women included in this new really lucrative tournament,

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Speaker 1: and she was discussing some of the abuse that she copped.

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Speaker 1: And it's this really tricky balance a lot of the

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Speaker 1: time where I want to sometimes go to war and

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Speaker 1: I want to sometimes argue with them and prove them

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Speaker 1: wrong and provide data and statistics, and then there's other

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Speaker 1: times when I read it and I just feel exhausted

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Speaker 1: and sometimes quite sickened by it and just really disheartened.

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Speaker 1: AND's it sometimes gets to that point where you don't

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Speaker 1: have the energy to argue back, and then they think that.

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Speaker 3: They've won the argument, and they think you don't have

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Speaker 3: anything to come back with.

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Speaker 1: And that's almost this hard sense of just having to

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Speaker 1: be okay that you can't win every battle and you

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Speaker 1: can't convince that small percentage of people that are going

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Speaker 1: to hold those beliefs no matter.

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Speaker 2: What you say. Really well said, friend, thank you.

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Speaker 1: Let's take a look at what to watch.

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Speaker 2: The A League at Women's Grand Final is on Sunday.

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Speaker 2: Kickoff is four pms, a straining eat stand of time

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Speaker 2: and SYDNEYFC will be looking to add that Grand Final

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Speaker 2: trophy to the Premier's play. Newcomers Western United will be

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Speaker 2: looking to cap off a fairytale season. It's going to

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Speaker 2: be great if you can't get out to Comback Stadium

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Speaker 2: in Paramount and make sure you tune in. It'll be

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Speaker 1: In Suncourt super Netball. Saturday, we'll see the Sydney Derby

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Speaker 1: between the Swifts and the Giants be played at ken

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Speaker 2: Go the Giants Go, the Giants, N't miss, don't miss

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Speaker 2: Forest Spot in the GF the back Toback Semis we

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Speaker 1: In rugby League, the Harvey Norman New South Wales Women's

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Speaker 1: Premiership Grand Final will be played between the Cannbury Bankstown

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Speaker 1: Bulldogs and the Mountains this Saturday. The match will be

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