1 00:00:00,680 --> 00:00:04,440 Speaker 1: Black Magic Woman Podcast acknowledges the traditional owners of the 2 00:00:04,559 --> 00:00:08,160 Speaker 1: land we have recorded this episode on. We also acknowledge 3 00:00:08,160 --> 00:00:11,639 Speaker 1: traditional owners of the land where you, the listener or viewer, 4 00:00:11,760 --> 00:00:12,800 Speaker 1: are tuning in from. 5 00:00:13,080 --> 00:00:14,920 Speaker 2: We would like to pay our respects to our. 6 00:00:14,800 --> 00:00:18,239 Speaker 1: Elders past and present and acknowledged that this always was 7 00:00:18,360 --> 00:00:24,759 Speaker 1: Aboriginal land and always will be Aboriginal land. Welcome to 8 00:00:24,840 --> 00:00:33,599 Speaker 1: the Black Magic Woman Podcast with Mandanara Baals. Thank you 9 00:00:33,920 --> 00:00:36,680 Speaker 1: so much for joining us for another episode of the 10 00:00:36,720 --> 00:00:38,360 Speaker 1: Black Magic Woman Podcast. 11 00:00:39,159 --> 00:00:41,120 Speaker 2: I've been enjoying a. 12 00:00:41,000 --> 00:00:45,240 Speaker 1: Few days here on beautiful Wadjack Nungar Country for people 13 00:00:45,240 --> 00:00:51,320 Speaker 1: that don't know Wadjack Country. I'm in Perth, Western Australia, 14 00:00:51,400 --> 00:00:56,840 Speaker 1: I would say probably further from places like Fiji and 15 00:00:56,920 --> 00:00:59,560 Speaker 1: Altero are also known as New Zealand, so I'm a 16 00:00:59,560 --> 00:01:02,640 Speaker 1: long way from home. A big shout out to my 17 00:01:02,640 --> 00:01:06,319 Speaker 1: beautiful family. I know they're missing me, my little Feller's 18 00:01:06,440 --> 00:01:10,360 Speaker 1: Jeta and Tiger Lily Adela Machia always saying that Mom 19 00:01:10,360 --> 00:01:13,000 Speaker 1: doesn't give them a shout out. So I'm sitting here 20 00:01:13,440 --> 00:01:18,440 Speaker 1: on the couch yearning with a beautiful sister. Niokam Morgan, 21 00:01:18,520 --> 00:01:22,600 Speaker 1: who's going to introduce herself. So Sis, thank you very 22 00:01:22,720 --> 00:01:26,760 Speaker 1: much for jumping on the podcast. I always asks people 23 00:01:27,280 --> 00:01:30,319 Speaker 1: in their own words, and it's easy just to say, 24 00:01:30,560 --> 00:01:32,640 Speaker 1: tell us you know who your mob is, and a 25 00:01:32,680 --> 00:01:34,000 Speaker 1: little bit about where you grew up. 26 00:01:35,200 --> 00:01:40,919 Speaker 3: So I come from Sheperdon originally you're the older people. 27 00:01:41,400 --> 00:01:44,720 Speaker 3: I'm the eldest of nine children from my mom. I 28 00:01:44,760 --> 00:01:49,000 Speaker 3: grew up in between Shepardon and Rockampton and Queensland joscally. 29 00:01:49,880 --> 00:01:55,240 Speaker 3: My dad was Southea Islander. My father was Italian, so 30 00:01:55,480 --> 00:01:57,000 Speaker 3: we spent a lot of time going up and down 31 00:01:57,000 --> 00:02:01,400 Speaker 3: the Newell Highway as children, and then we went to 32 00:02:02,000 --> 00:02:04,440 Speaker 3: We lived in Brisbane for a little while as an 33 00:02:04,480 --> 00:02:09,480 Speaker 3: early teenager and then moved back to Shepperton. My high 34 00:02:09,520 --> 00:02:13,320 Speaker 3: schooling was in between Melbourne and on the Sunshine Coast, 35 00:02:15,240 --> 00:02:18,639 Speaker 3: and then when I was fifteen, I was only young. 36 00:02:19,720 --> 00:02:23,320 Speaker 3: I felt pregnant with my first baby, had him at sixteen. 37 00:02:24,480 --> 00:02:29,000 Speaker 3: One of the things that always stuck in my head 38 00:02:29,400 --> 00:02:31,200 Speaker 3: as a child and seeing a lot of things that 39 00:02:31,680 --> 00:02:33,920 Speaker 3: children shouldn't see and been exposed to a lot of 40 00:02:33,919 --> 00:02:35,560 Speaker 3: things and growing up before your time because mom and 41 00:02:35,639 --> 00:02:39,680 Speaker 3: dad separated when I was seven, was that my children 42 00:02:39,720 --> 00:02:42,480 Speaker 3: were never ever going to live my life, and they 43 00:02:42,600 --> 00:02:46,120 Speaker 3: was never going to be exposed to police raids, police brutality, 44 00:02:47,200 --> 00:02:49,840 Speaker 3: because we've seen all this as children in the eighties 45 00:02:49,840 --> 00:02:53,520 Speaker 3: and nineties, and so I was really hard on myself 46 00:02:53,560 --> 00:02:55,400 Speaker 3: as a young parent and still them, I suppose and 47 00:02:55,440 --> 00:02:59,000 Speaker 3: had a high standard because I didn't want my children 48 00:02:59,200 --> 00:02:59,959 Speaker 3: to go down that path. 49 00:03:00,919 --> 00:03:02,679 Speaker 1: Can I stop you for one minute when you said 50 00:03:02,760 --> 00:03:09,160 Speaker 1: high standard, I talk about black follows. We have high 51 00:03:09,160 --> 00:03:14,960 Speaker 1: standards for ourselves, for our community, for our families. And 52 00:03:15,000 --> 00:03:19,840 Speaker 1: it's interesting in a non Aboriginal society or the white 53 00:03:19,840 --> 00:03:23,600 Speaker 1: fallow world, people don't think we have high standards for ourselves. 54 00:03:25,200 --> 00:03:28,960 Speaker 3: And there's two sides of that high standard. One is 55 00:03:29,000 --> 00:03:33,080 Speaker 3: because we are a proud culture and we have a 56 00:03:33,080 --> 00:03:35,720 Speaker 3: lot of those qualities, qualities of family, a lot of 57 00:03:35,760 --> 00:03:39,040 Speaker 3: the values. The other side of that is also is 58 00:03:40,640 --> 00:03:45,200 Speaker 3: colonization and the legacy, the legacy of genocide, where we 59 00:03:45,920 --> 00:03:50,440 Speaker 3: as mothers can't let our guard down. We parent on eggshells. 60 00:03:50,920 --> 00:03:53,320 Speaker 3: We parent on eggshells because of the fear of welfare 61 00:03:53,520 --> 00:03:54,960 Speaker 3: and the fear of losing our children. 62 00:03:56,160 --> 00:03:59,840 Speaker 1: The fact that we're under constant surveillance, yes by government 63 00:03:59,880 --> 00:04:04,000 Speaker 1: or it is yes by those organizations that work or 64 00:04:04,000 --> 00:04:07,600 Speaker 1: are contracted by departments of Children's services, a child protection 65 00:04:09,120 --> 00:04:13,160 Speaker 1: and being under constant surveillance. Like you said, we walk 66 00:04:13,160 --> 00:04:17,960 Speaker 1: on eggshells. Yeah, my mum didn't register any of her babies. 67 00:04:19,200 --> 00:04:22,760 Speaker 1: My birth certificate was well, my birth was registered in 68 00:04:22,839 --> 00:04:23,839 Speaker 1: nineteen ninety six. 69 00:04:24,920 --> 00:04:25,599 Speaker 2: That's the fear. 70 00:04:26,600 --> 00:04:31,200 Speaker 1: And we're talking about within people's living memory and recent history, 71 00:04:31,920 --> 00:04:36,720 Speaker 1: not over seven generations. We've there's also the intergenerational stuff. 72 00:04:37,760 --> 00:04:39,799 Speaker 1: But that's real, that's today, that's. 73 00:04:39,720 --> 00:04:43,400 Speaker 3: Us, that's right, that is us as black mothers, and 74 00:04:43,480 --> 00:04:45,920 Speaker 3: we you know we so I spent a lot of 75 00:04:45,920 --> 00:04:49,479 Speaker 3: time supporting young people. You know, my professional career was 76 00:04:49,520 --> 00:04:53,960 Speaker 3: in children and family services across the board, working in 77 00:04:53,960 --> 00:04:58,000 Speaker 3: different agencies from you know, hospitals, child protection, prisons, you know, 78 00:04:58,040 --> 00:05:02,520 Speaker 3: doing men's behavior change programs, working in the original college 79 00:05:02,520 --> 00:05:07,000 Speaker 3: in Hillsville, Borrower, supporting our people, empowering our people, and 80 00:05:07,120 --> 00:05:12,279 Speaker 3: you know, through my own personal experiences as well. That's 81 00:05:12,520 --> 00:05:18,280 Speaker 3: Nyani was born. Because there was no voice for the voiceless. 82 00:05:20,000 --> 00:05:23,359 Speaker 3: There was you know, we needed to. I'd spent many years, 83 00:05:23,400 --> 00:05:26,919 Speaker 3: you know, in child protection and and a lot of 84 00:05:26,960 --> 00:05:32,560 Speaker 3: my time in that sector was spent ensuring that my 85 00:05:32,600 --> 00:05:35,000 Speaker 3: colleagues were culturally aware ensuring that they could go and 86 00:05:35,000 --> 00:05:40,680 Speaker 3: do a culturally safe assessment on Aboriginal families because engagement 87 00:05:41,760 --> 00:05:45,000 Speaker 3: is you know, was necessary. We have a lot of 88 00:05:45,040 --> 00:05:48,039 Speaker 3: our children falling through the cracks in different areas, you know, 89 00:05:48,160 --> 00:05:56,360 Speaker 3: health education, to name only two of those. There's and 90 00:05:56,880 --> 00:05:59,440 Speaker 3: I was gonna say those assessments, yes, as soon as 91 00:05:59,440 --> 00:06:01,160 Speaker 3: you said culture safe assessments. 92 00:06:02,600 --> 00:06:08,760 Speaker 1: Those assessments already discriminated against abridge and on toush Under people. 93 00:06:08,520 --> 00:06:09,560 Speaker 3: Don't they Yes, they do. 94 00:06:09,920 --> 00:06:13,240 Speaker 1: And right now in Queensland, I just saw Josh Kremer 95 00:06:13,279 --> 00:06:14,320 Speaker 1: on LinkedIn. 96 00:06:14,440 --> 00:06:15,280 Speaker 2: Deadly is Brother. 97 00:06:15,360 --> 00:06:17,880 Speaker 1: If you haven't heard the episode with Josh Kremer, jump 98 00:06:17,920 --> 00:06:20,560 Speaker 1: on and have a listen. 99 00:06:21,560 --> 00:06:22,760 Speaker 2: The class action. 100 00:06:24,680 --> 00:06:28,960 Speaker 1: They're calling for Aberginal and tosha Under families to come 101 00:06:29,080 --> 00:06:33,520 Speaker 1: forward with submissions. Yes, because of you know, like you said, 102 00:06:33,560 --> 00:06:37,280 Speaker 1: culturally safe assessments, culturally safe practice. 103 00:06:37,880 --> 00:06:39,680 Speaker 3: And when we look at we look at the legacy 104 00:06:39,720 --> 00:06:43,120 Speaker 3: of colonization, and we look at the protection acts and 105 00:06:43,160 --> 00:06:45,920 Speaker 3: where child protection in this country came from. And when 106 00:06:45,920 --> 00:06:50,640 Speaker 3: we look at it, child protection was an act of genocide. 107 00:06:51,320 --> 00:06:53,080 Speaker 3: At the end of the day, that's what it was. 108 00:06:53,560 --> 00:06:58,400 Speaker 3: And unfortunately that's still going on. You know, those practices, 109 00:06:58,440 --> 00:07:01,880 Speaker 3: those culturally unsafe practices are still continuing in this country. 110 00:07:02,720 --> 00:07:06,040 Speaker 3: And that's why we have the high level of removal 111 00:07:06,080 --> 00:07:08,159 Speaker 3: of Aboriginal children from their families. 112 00:07:08,600 --> 00:07:11,400 Speaker 1: What are we talking about in terms of data or 113 00:07:11,440 --> 00:07:14,240 Speaker 1: statistics just to give well when with some of our 114 00:07:14,280 --> 00:07:18,840 Speaker 1: listeners and viewers and insight into not what just we 115 00:07:19,000 --> 00:07:21,400 Speaker 1: know as part of our lived experience as aberage and 116 00:07:21,400 --> 00:07:26,320 Speaker 1: women that hold families together, but the data, you would 117 00:07:26,320 --> 00:07:27,320 Speaker 1: know some of the data. 118 00:07:27,440 --> 00:07:29,840 Speaker 3: So when we talk about child protection in Western Australia, 119 00:07:30,120 --> 00:07:35,440 Speaker 3: we have over five thousand children in care total, three thousand, 120 00:07:35,520 --> 00:07:39,000 Speaker 3: six hundred plus of those Aboriginal children in care, so 121 00:07:39,280 --> 00:07:42,280 Speaker 3: that's more than fifty percent. That's a lot of children 122 00:07:43,240 --> 00:07:43,920 Speaker 3: in care. 123 00:07:44,680 --> 00:07:45,600 Speaker 2: In New South Wales. 124 00:07:45,600 --> 00:07:49,040 Speaker 1: If those kids are in care for two years, the 125 00:07:49,520 --> 00:07:56,440 Speaker 1: guardian or the foster care can go for guardianship till 126 00:07:56,440 --> 00:08:02,560 Speaker 1: they're eighteen. Yes, after two years. Our mothers, our women 127 00:08:03,600 --> 00:08:06,920 Speaker 1: have no chance of getting their kids back if they 128 00:08:06,960 --> 00:08:11,560 Speaker 1: can't meet you know, the standards, the expectations. 129 00:08:10,840 --> 00:08:16,520 Speaker 3: And when we talk to you know, I'm talking to mothers, 130 00:08:17,240 --> 00:08:19,760 Speaker 3: they don't know what their rights are, they don't know 131 00:08:19,800 --> 00:08:22,520 Speaker 3: what to do once their children are removed. They don't 132 00:08:22,560 --> 00:08:27,080 Speaker 3: know they're being left out in the cold, you know, 133 00:08:27,240 --> 00:08:29,400 Speaker 3: they have a child removed, they lose their income, which 134 00:08:29,440 --> 00:08:32,960 Speaker 3: is generally centering, they lose their housing, they become homeless. 135 00:08:33,480 --> 00:08:36,840 Speaker 2: You know, it's that leads to mental health. 136 00:08:36,920 --> 00:08:39,600 Speaker 1: Yes, if the mental health wasn't already there at the start, 137 00:08:40,320 --> 00:08:44,280 Speaker 1: it leads to their people in terms of depression, anxiety, 138 00:08:44,920 --> 00:08:49,640 Speaker 1: opportunities to get a job or go and do further studies. 139 00:08:50,000 --> 00:08:50,880 Speaker 2: That all impacts. 140 00:08:51,360 --> 00:08:54,080 Speaker 3: It impacts. So we come in and you know we're talking, 141 00:08:54,679 --> 00:08:57,440 Speaker 3: you know, we empower them, We give them the knowledge 142 00:08:57,440 --> 00:09:00,480 Speaker 3: that they required. We will, you know, walk a journey 143 00:09:00,520 --> 00:09:04,760 Speaker 3: with them to have their children, you know, come back 144 00:09:04,800 --> 00:09:10,480 Speaker 3: to them and reuniting family, reuniting families, and if they can't, 145 00:09:10,600 --> 00:09:13,160 Speaker 3: you know, if they don't have the capacity to parent 146 00:09:13,200 --> 00:09:16,560 Speaker 3: their child, then we look at who's a safe person 147 00:09:16,640 --> 00:09:18,920 Speaker 3: or who's a person in your family that has the 148 00:09:18,960 --> 00:09:22,440 Speaker 3: capacity to raise your children, because we want our children 149 00:09:22,480 --> 00:09:24,679 Speaker 3: back in our families. We want our children in their 150 00:09:24,679 --> 00:09:27,240 Speaker 3: community because we know that they thrive when they are 151 00:09:27,280 --> 00:09:28,440 Speaker 3: with their mob. 152 00:09:29,360 --> 00:09:31,520 Speaker 2: And there's nothing like being with your own mob. 153 00:09:32,240 --> 00:09:34,199 Speaker 3: As a black fell yeah, that's right. 154 00:09:34,080 --> 00:09:36,439 Speaker 1: You know, like I grew up in a household, and 155 00:09:36,679 --> 00:09:40,640 Speaker 1: I always say this sys that I had the privilege 156 00:09:40,679 --> 00:09:43,440 Speaker 1: to grow up with my abruged mother and father. My 157 00:09:43,559 --> 00:09:47,439 Speaker 1: mum was removed, she was awarded the state, she was institutionalized. 158 00:09:47,920 --> 00:09:51,200 Speaker 1: Her mother was a ward of the state, she was removed, 159 00:09:51,240 --> 00:09:54,080 Speaker 1: she was I've got five generations on my mother's side 160 00:09:54,080 --> 00:09:58,320 Speaker 1: that was stolen children. That's five generations of trauma that 161 00:09:58,400 --> 00:10:00,640 Speaker 1: my mother unknowingly passed onto. 162 00:10:00,440 --> 00:10:01,880 Speaker 2: Her eight babies. 163 00:10:02,520 --> 00:10:04,360 Speaker 1: One of my four of my sisters have been in 164 00:10:04,400 --> 00:10:07,080 Speaker 1: out of prison. Two of my sisters have had their 165 00:10:07,120 --> 00:10:10,640 Speaker 1: children removed. Now my nieces, my sister's. 166 00:10:10,320 --> 00:10:12,280 Speaker 2: Children, they've got their children removed. 167 00:10:13,000 --> 00:10:18,199 Speaker 1: So there's obviously, you know, the system isn't working. And 168 00:10:18,240 --> 00:10:21,280 Speaker 1: we know that the system you know, has done nothing 169 00:10:21,400 --> 00:10:27,520 Speaker 1: really to support Aboriginal women in particular to build capacity 170 00:10:27,640 --> 00:10:32,520 Speaker 1: or capability. And you know, in terms of preventative stuff, 171 00:10:33,120 --> 00:10:37,400 Speaker 1: how are we working with families when we identify before 172 00:10:37,440 --> 00:10:42,319 Speaker 1: the children are being taken or before the children are 173 00:10:42,360 --> 00:10:42,920 Speaker 1: at risk? 174 00:10:43,360 --> 00:10:43,600 Speaker 2: You know. 175 00:10:44,080 --> 00:10:46,040 Speaker 3: So there's not so a lot of the fund A 176 00:10:46,120 --> 00:10:48,560 Speaker 3: majority of the funding when it comes to these issues 177 00:10:49,040 --> 00:10:53,160 Speaker 3: goes to out of home care. There's no funding's minimal 178 00:10:53,240 --> 00:10:56,079 Speaker 3: funding there's minimal funding for prevention. 179 00:10:55,840 --> 00:10:57,120 Speaker 2: Okay, out of home care. 180 00:10:57,559 --> 00:11:03,240 Speaker 1: Some of those providers are non organizations NGOs, Yes, yep, 181 00:11:03,360 --> 00:11:06,440 Speaker 1: because a lot of people don't realize you've got the government. 182 00:11:06,480 --> 00:11:10,000 Speaker 1: The government have the funding, that's right, and the funding 183 00:11:10,080 --> 00:11:14,840 Speaker 1: then usually gets obviously dispersed to service providers on the ground. 184 00:11:15,480 --> 00:11:18,640 Speaker 1: So whether it's a Mission Australia, anglic Care, Uniting Care, 185 00:11:19,120 --> 00:11:23,079 Speaker 1: some of these are faith based organizations that were also 186 00:11:23,160 --> 00:11:29,000 Speaker 1: removing our kids, Like I can't literally sis when I 187 00:11:29,040 --> 00:11:34,240 Speaker 1: looked into this. I was delivering cultural capability training for 188 00:11:34,400 --> 00:11:39,880 Speaker 1: one of these faith based organizations and my elders, two 189 00:11:39,920 --> 00:11:45,400 Speaker 1: of them, Money Mary and Annielilla. They actually wrote the 190 00:11:46,040 --> 00:11:52,240 Speaker 1: kinship principles in Queensland. They got that legislation over the line. 191 00:11:52,320 --> 00:11:54,040 Speaker 1: But these are the steps that you need to take 192 00:11:54,160 --> 00:11:57,040 Speaker 1: before you remove a kid and put them into a 193 00:11:57,040 --> 00:12:02,960 Speaker 1: non Aboriginal home. Those principles never been not just enforced, 194 00:12:03,800 --> 00:12:07,800 Speaker 1: but enacted. Yeah, and there's no accountability. And this is 195 00:12:07,800 --> 00:12:12,280 Speaker 1: back in the nineteen seventies when Honey Lila, my business 196 00:12:12,360 --> 00:12:16,560 Speaker 1: partner at black Card, she was the chairperson of Aboriginal 197 00:12:16,640 --> 00:12:19,319 Speaker 1: Child Camp. Annie Mary Graham was the manager of these 198 00:12:19,320 --> 00:12:22,959 Speaker 1: two old girls are both professors at the University of 199 00:12:23,040 --> 00:12:26,840 Speaker 1: Queensland working founded Black Card with me. 200 00:12:28,000 --> 00:12:29,840 Speaker 2: The only workshop. 201 00:12:29,320 --> 00:12:32,440 Speaker 1: In ten years that they wanted to walk out on 202 00:12:32,679 --> 00:12:39,000 Speaker 1: was with one of these organizations. The level of disrespect 203 00:12:39,800 --> 00:12:45,559 Speaker 1: amongst this grew majority under the age of thirty, majority 204 00:12:46,280 --> 00:12:50,840 Speaker 1: fresh outer university, and they did not have children, and 205 00:12:51,000 --> 00:12:53,880 Speaker 1: they are in, they're in and. 206 00:12:54,240 --> 00:12:58,280 Speaker 3: When you work. When you look at when I came 207 00:12:58,320 --> 00:13:01,400 Speaker 3: to work in chop protection in West Australia, all the 208 00:13:01,400 --> 00:13:04,719 Speaker 3: care teams which is the teams that look after the 209 00:13:04,800 --> 00:13:07,079 Speaker 3: out of home care the children that have been removed 210 00:13:07,080 --> 00:13:10,840 Speaker 3: from their families and put into care. Majority of those staff, 211 00:13:11,400 --> 00:13:15,200 Speaker 3: the case managers, were fresh out of university, didn't have 212 00:13:15,280 --> 00:13:20,440 Speaker 3: life experience assurances and don't have children of their own, and. 213 00:13:20,480 --> 00:13:26,679 Speaker 1: They are making these decisions that impact on our lives. 214 00:13:27,640 --> 00:13:31,720 Speaker 1: That the individual, the child, the siblings, the family, the mother, 215 00:13:31,840 --> 00:13:35,080 Speaker 1: the community, the grandmothers, the aunt is, the uncles, the 216 00:13:35,120 --> 00:13:40,400 Speaker 1: whole community suffer. The whole community grieve when our children 217 00:13:40,440 --> 00:13:44,800 Speaker 1: are taken from this sort of tight unit. 218 00:13:46,080 --> 00:13:47,960 Speaker 2: So what do you think needs to be done. 219 00:13:48,000 --> 00:13:50,920 Speaker 1: Obviously there's a class action happening in Queensland. What do 220 00:13:50,960 --> 00:13:55,120 Speaker 1: you think as an aviaginal woman that's dedicated most of 221 00:13:55,120 --> 00:13:57,679 Speaker 1: your career to working in these spaces. 222 00:13:58,240 --> 00:13:59,160 Speaker 2: What needs to happen. 223 00:14:00,160 --> 00:14:02,360 Speaker 3: Our families need to stick together. Our families need to 224 00:14:02,400 --> 00:14:05,520 Speaker 3: come back together, Our communities need to stick together. We 225 00:14:05,559 --> 00:14:08,559 Speaker 3: need to stop relying on the government to improve our 226 00:14:08,600 --> 00:14:11,640 Speaker 3: lives because it's not going to happen. No, it's not 227 00:14:11,640 --> 00:14:14,280 Speaker 3: going to happen at all. We need money in prevention. 228 00:14:14,880 --> 00:14:17,920 Speaker 3: That's where the funding needs to start, going into prevention. 229 00:14:18,720 --> 00:14:21,840 Speaker 3: We need to work together and to come together to 230 00:14:21,880 --> 00:14:25,800 Speaker 3: bring our kids home. Our children belong with family and on. 231 00:14:25,720 --> 00:14:28,840 Speaker 2: Your T shirt, yes that's exactly your our kids belong 232 00:14:29,200 --> 00:14:31,880 Speaker 2: with family. How do we get though? 233 00:14:32,520 --> 00:14:37,320 Speaker 1: Government are in control If people don't understand that aviational people, 234 00:14:37,680 --> 00:14:43,280 Speaker 1: you are constantly fighting for self determination and autonomy. We're 235 00:14:43,280 --> 00:14:46,320 Speaker 1: not in control of our own affairs. As black fellows 236 00:14:46,400 --> 00:14:50,080 Speaker 1: living in this country now known as Australia, we have 237 00:14:50,160 --> 00:14:53,600 Speaker 1: no control. We don't have a say when it comes 238 00:14:53,600 --> 00:14:55,760 Speaker 1: to policies that impact on our lives. And this is 239 00:14:55,800 --> 00:14:59,080 Speaker 1: one example, one example, but this is crucial. 240 00:14:59,080 --> 00:15:01,160 Speaker 2: If a child is not. 241 00:15:01,320 --> 00:15:05,120 Speaker 1: Raised in their Aboriginal family and connected to their Aboriginal 242 00:15:05,120 --> 00:15:09,640 Speaker 1: culture and identity, you wonder why we have the highest 243 00:15:09,720 --> 00:15:12,760 Speaker 1: rate of youth suicide than anywhere else in the world. 244 00:15:13,320 --> 00:15:14,360 Speaker 2: Closing the gap. 245 00:15:15,000 --> 00:15:16,800 Speaker 1: If you look at the last report and you can 246 00:15:16,880 --> 00:15:20,480 Speaker 1: go onto the Productivity Commission's website, have a look on 247 00:15:20,520 --> 00:15:24,760 Speaker 1: the dashboard in real time, the gap isn't closing. The 248 00:15:24,840 --> 00:15:28,080 Speaker 1: last report, it's said that in the last twelve months, 249 00:15:28,560 --> 00:15:32,200 Speaker 1: closing the gap was failing. So what are our alternatives 250 00:15:32,200 --> 00:15:36,320 Speaker 1: in terms of now thinking about blackfellows that are running 251 00:15:36,320 --> 00:15:36,960 Speaker 1: their own show. 252 00:15:37,120 --> 00:15:40,160 Speaker 2: We're doing our own thing. We're in business. 253 00:15:40,960 --> 00:15:43,280 Speaker 1: We're doing the best that we can to be able 254 00:15:43,320 --> 00:15:49,800 Speaker 1: to provide these essential services to family and community. 255 00:15:53,920 --> 00:15:56,360 Speaker 2: What can we do as black fellows in business? 256 00:15:58,120 --> 00:16:02,120 Speaker 3: I think that we're you know, we are doing it already. 257 00:16:03,200 --> 00:16:06,000 Speaker 3: So when we talk about self determination going into business, 258 00:16:06,000 --> 00:16:10,160 Speaker 3: the self determination is becoming independent. I've employed myself, I've 259 00:16:10,160 --> 00:16:13,920 Speaker 3: given myself a job, you know, and you know, Nayani 260 00:16:14,160 --> 00:16:16,080 Speaker 3: is not going to be a one man's show for 261 00:16:16,080 --> 00:16:20,520 Speaker 3: a long time. Where I'm already strategizing how we scale up, 262 00:16:20,800 --> 00:16:23,160 Speaker 3: how we get family coaches in every capital city in 263 00:16:23,160 --> 00:16:24,920 Speaker 3: Australia and then we start on the regions. 264 00:16:26,320 --> 00:16:27,240 Speaker 2: So that's what's missing. 265 00:16:27,320 --> 00:16:32,920 Speaker 3: So we build the economics in community, we give each 266 00:16:33,000 --> 00:16:38,200 Speaker 3: other positions. It doesn't matter if you know, if I'm 267 00:16:38,240 --> 00:16:40,560 Speaker 3: a quarry working on a long our country, I'm a 268 00:16:40,560 --> 00:16:43,880 Speaker 3: black woman with experience, with lived experience. 269 00:16:43,960 --> 00:16:45,240 Speaker 2: You didn't just take the most. 270 00:16:45,280 --> 00:16:48,280 Speaker 3: Yes I didn't. I didn't. And that's the difference too, 271 00:16:48,720 --> 00:16:49,800 Speaker 3: And and it's you. 272 00:16:49,760 --> 00:16:52,880 Speaker 2: Know, our communities need to support us. 273 00:16:53,080 --> 00:16:53,520 Speaker 3: That's right. 274 00:16:53,600 --> 00:16:55,600 Speaker 1: I live on the Sunshine Coast. I'm not a cat 275 00:16:55,600 --> 00:16:56,240 Speaker 1: becovering woman. 276 00:16:56,840 --> 00:16:59,200 Speaker 2: I live in Brisbane as well, and going between. I'm 277 00:16:59,240 --> 00:17:00,840 Speaker 2: not a yogurt or durable woman. 278 00:17:01,720 --> 00:17:03,920 Speaker 1: But I know that the work that I'm doing in 279 00:17:03,960 --> 00:17:09,000 Speaker 1: this space, not just with podcasting, but with upskilling mostly 280 00:17:09,000 --> 00:17:14,679 Speaker 1: non Aboriginal people with cultural capability, cultural competence and getting 281 00:17:14,720 --> 00:17:19,480 Speaker 1: them to understand Aboriginal culture and history. I'm doing the 282 00:17:19,520 --> 00:17:24,040 Speaker 1: work with my elders right across this country. And that's 283 00:17:24,080 --> 00:17:27,439 Speaker 1: what brought me here to Ward Jack Noonga Country is 284 00:17:28,240 --> 00:17:35,440 Speaker 1: to give Australians an understanding of our shared history. It 285 00:17:35,440 --> 00:17:39,240 Speaker 1: starts with truth telling, because if you don't understand the 286 00:17:39,280 --> 00:17:41,640 Speaker 1: position that we're in in twenty twenty four now, if 287 00:17:41,640 --> 00:17:44,120 Speaker 1: you don't understand the position, if you don't understand why 288 00:17:44,119 --> 00:17:47,840 Speaker 1: your organization's got a reconciliation actually, but if you don't understand. 289 00:17:47,560 --> 00:17:54,320 Speaker 2: Why closing the gap was born, then we're going backwards. 290 00:17:55,200 --> 00:17:58,080 Speaker 1: So we need to understand the past to make sense 291 00:17:58,119 --> 00:18:02,480 Speaker 1: of the present to then figure out a way forward. 292 00:18:03,160 --> 00:18:06,080 Speaker 1: And this is you know, with us as blackfellows, understanding 293 00:18:06,080 --> 00:18:10,560 Speaker 1: our own trauma, our own family history. For me to 294 00:18:10,640 --> 00:18:12,879 Speaker 1: understand my mum was removed them and I didn't know 295 00:18:12,920 --> 00:18:14,879 Speaker 1: all of this growing up because I never spoke about it. 296 00:18:15,880 --> 00:18:18,960 Speaker 1: So now for me being in business China develop training 297 00:18:19,080 --> 00:18:23,800 Speaker 1: and training packages, I never get a call from any 298 00:18:24,800 --> 00:18:28,760 Speaker 1: child protection agencies. I never get a call from any 299 00:18:28,800 --> 00:18:33,000 Speaker 1: of those providers that have those contracts. And they're the 300 00:18:33,040 --> 00:18:35,760 Speaker 1: ones that are removing children, making those decisions, or they're 301 00:18:35,800 --> 00:18:38,960 Speaker 1: the ones that are going and checking on them, but 302 00:18:39,040 --> 00:18:44,080 Speaker 1: they don't have any foundational knowledge for them to make 303 00:18:44,240 --> 00:18:49,199 Speaker 1: better decisions to keep our families together. So it's like 304 00:18:49,240 --> 00:18:53,080 Speaker 1: they're coming in with a mindset already. They've already made 305 00:18:53,160 --> 00:18:56,080 Speaker 1: up their mind that they're going to take children. So 306 00:18:56,240 --> 00:19:01,840 Speaker 1: before that even happens, there are key average organizations all 307 00:19:01,880 --> 00:19:05,160 Speaker 1: around the country that should be doing the prevention work 308 00:19:05,240 --> 00:19:07,720 Speaker 1: and should be doing or should be funded to do so. 309 00:19:08,200 --> 00:19:10,320 Speaker 3: And the and the issue is that when you're struggling 310 00:19:10,359 --> 00:19:13,960 Speaker 3: as a parent, as a mom or a dad, there's 311 00:19:14,160 --> 00:19:17,320 Speaker 3: where do you get the help from? Where do you 312 00:19:17,359 --> 00:19:21,359 Speaker 3: go for support? Because you bring up the agencies whether 313 00:19:21,520 --> 00:19:26,600 Speaker 3: you know they're no. Now you flag and yourself for 314 00:19:26,640 --> 00:19:29,560 Speaker 3: support because they don't help that you've got to be. 315 00:19:29,920 --> 00:19:33,320 Speaker 3: You've got to be under child protection to get the support. 316 00:19:34,000 --> 00:19:35,840 Speaker 3: That's where the funding is, and that's where all the 317 00:19:35,840 --> 00:19:41,199 Speaker 3: funding is. Once you say in bottom, yeah, yeah, a bottom. 318 00:19:41,240 --> 00:19:44,399 Speaker 3: Next minute, children taken because you've asked for help, because 319 00:19:44,400 --> 00:19:45,200 Speaker 3: you've asked for help. 320 00:19:45,440 --> 00:19:47,600 Speaker 1: I've heard this says that a lot of people are 321 00:19:47,640 --> 00:19:49,880 Speaker 1: the ones that have put their hand up. They didn't 322 00:19:49,880 --> 00:19:52,000 Speaker 1: get the knock on the door, They put their hand 323 00:19:52,080 --> 00:19:54,679 Speaker 1: up and then found themselves in a position that their 324 00:19:54,760 --> 00:19:57,639 Speaker 1: children were taken and then it's an uphill battle to 325 00:19:57,640 --> 00:19:58,520 Speaker 1: get your children back. 326 00:19:59,200 --> 00:20:02,040 Speaker 2: So do you work with families? You try, You do 327 00:20:02,040 --> 00:20:03,760 Speaker 2: a lot of the family the prevention. You're trying to 328 00:20:03,760 --> 00:20:04,360 Speaker 2: work prevention. 329 00:20:04,640 --> 00:20:07,920 Speaker 1: So we do to focus on keeping keeping kids at home, 330 00:20:08,000 --> 00:20:08,920 Speaker 1: keep the kids at home. 331 00:20:08,960 --> 00:20:10,840 Speaker 3: Yet keeping the kids at home or in the family, 332 00:20:11,480 --> 00:20:16,520 Speaker 3: you know, because extended we always forget about the cousins, 333 00:20:16,840 --> 00:20:22,320 Speaker 3: you know. So you know, it's about supporting parents to 334 00:20:22,359 --> 00:20:25,399 Speaker 3: look after themselves, and everybody needs a break. There's a 335 00:20:25,400 --> 00:20:28,680 Speaker 3: time when people need a break. You know, things happen 336 00:20:28,720 --> 00:20:30,399 Speaker 3: in our community. You know, we have a lot of 337 00:20:30,720 --> 00:20:33,600 Speaker 3: deaths in our community. We're interconnected, We're so you know, 338 00:20:33,640 --> 00:20:37,760 Speaker 3: we're very connected. So when people talk about people, oh, 339 00:20:37,840 --> 00:20:39,440 Speaker 3: she went to a funeral last week and she's gone 340 00:20:39,440 --> 00:20:41,680 Speaker 3: to another one this week, Well, yeah, that does happen. 341 00:20:41,680 --> 00:20:45,159 Speaker 3: That's our reality. That's our reality. Some days there's more 342 00:20:45,160 --> 00:20:46,679 Speaker 3: than one funeral and you've got to make a decision 343 00:20:46,880 --> 00:20:48,320 Speaker 3: to go to communalis, you know. So there's a lot 344 00:20:48,320 --> 00:20:51,840 Speaker 3: of grief, and there's intergenerational trauma. There's a lot of 345 00:20:51,840 --> 00:20:55,679 Speaker 3: traumas poverty. What about the poverty in our communities and 346 00:20:55,720 --> 00:20:58,960 Speaker 3: we talk about the we talk about living the living 347 00:20:59,000 --> 00:21:03,680 Speaker 3: expenses right raising in the last year since COVID, how 348 00:21:03,680 --> 00:21:07,600 Speaker 3: are our people making inns meat? Yeah, I don't understand it. 349 00:21:07,640 --> 00:21:09,520 Speaker 3: I go to the supermarket and I get a basket 350 00:21:09,600 --> 00:21:12,120 Speaker 3: of stuff for dinner and there's one hundred and forty 351 00:21:12,160 --> 00:21:13,879 Speaker 3: dollars for three people. 352 00:21:14,000 --> 00:21:14,320 Speaker 2: Yeah. 353 00:21:14,920 --> 00:21:17,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, a lot of Aboriginal people are living below the 354 00:21:17,960 --> 00:21:18,600 Speaker 1: poverty line. 355 00:21:18,640 --> 00:21:19,640 Speaker 2: And the data is there. 356 00:21:19,680 --> 00:21:21,679 Speaker 1: You don't have to go too far on Google to 357 00:21:21,760 --> 00:21:24,080 Speaker 1: find what we're talking about. Everything is there to back 358 00:21:24,160 --> 00:21:27,359 Speaker 1: up what we're talking about, but the fact that only 359 00:21:27,400 --> 00:21:32,560 Speaker 1: one in ten Indigenous people are financially secure, one in ten. Yes, 360 00:21:32,880 --> 00:21:35,080 Speaker 1: in my family, I feel that I'm the one in 361 00:21:35,119 --> 00:21:38,000 Speaker 1: one hundred. I feel that there's a lot of people 362 00:21:38,040 --> 00:21:42,600 Speaker 1: in my family and community that unfortunately will never be 363 00:21:42,640 --> 00:21:45,600 Speaker 1: in a position to buy a home, home ownership in 364 00:21:45,640 --> 00:21:46,920 Speaker 1: this country like. 365 00:21:46,920 --> 00:21:47,840 Speaker 2: For white fullers. 366 00:21:48,800 --> 00:21:51,560 Speaker 1: And let's just be real here, there's a lot of 367 00:21:51,560 --> 00:21:55,720 Speaker 1: intergenerational wealth passed down, that's right, yes, right, Whereas in 368 00:21:55,800 --> 00:21:59,640 Speaker 1: for us that wealth wasn't passed down. 369 00:22:00,080 --> 00:22:01,400 Speaker 2: We helped create it, but it. 370 00:22:01,400 --> 00:22:05,439 Speaker 1: Was then dispersed to the owners of the properties and 371 00:22:05,480 --> 00:22:08,440 Speaker 1: then back to government. So here we are in twenty 372 00:22:08,480 --> 00:22:12,160 Speaker 1: twenty four and still have some of the worst living 373 00:22:12,160 --> 00:22:16,680 Speaker 1: conditions in the world. And we're talking about third world countries. 374 00:22:16,720 --> 00:22:21,200 Speaker 1: We're comparing our mob in this country, a developed country 375 00:22:22,160 --> 00:22:24,800 Speaker 1: and probably the richest country in the world when you 376 00:22:24,800 --> 00:22:28,480 Speaker 1: think about mining and resources, one of the wealthiest countries 377 00:22:28,480 --> 00:22:32,639 Speaker 1: in the world. And yet we still got blackfellows in 378 00:22:32,720 --> 00:22:35,040 Speaker 1: a living in third world conditions. 379 00:22:35,480 --> 00:22:37,240 Speaker 2: So poverty plays a big. 380 00:22:37,080 --> 00:22:43,680 Speaker 1: Part in an education in our people were denied an education, 381 00:22:44,440 --> 00:22:47,199 Speaker 1: our people have been locked out of the economy to 382 00:22:47,320 --> 00:22:50,800 Speaker 1: participate in business or to start their own businesses. So 383 00:22:50,920 --> 00:22:53,640 Speaker 1: for any of our mob in particular that are listening 384 00:22:54,280 --> 00:23:01,480 Speaker 1: or watching on YouTube that might be struggling and they 385 00:23:01,640 --> 00:23:03,040 Speaker 1: haven't asked. 386 00:23:02,680 --> 00:23:07,000 Speaker 3: For support, although I don't know where to go, they 387 00:23:07,000 --> 00:23:10,320 Speaker 3: don't know what their rights are. You know, we will support, 388 00:23:10,440 --> 00:23:13,640 Speaker 3: you know, jump on our website, booking a discovery call 389 00:23:14,800 --> 00:23:16,359 Speaker 3: and we can have a chat. We'll have a yarn. 390 00:23:16,640 --> 00:23:21,440 Speaker 3: It's a yarn and sometimes that's all it is. Sometimes 391 00:23:21,480 --> 00:23:26,920 Speaker 3: it's that one thirty minute discovery call where it can 392 00:23:27,080 --> 00:23:34,000 Speaker 3: empower my clients to get on with it, you know, 393 00:23:34,520 --> 00:23:38,080 Speaker 3: to achieve what they thought was unachievable. Of course, to 394 00:23:38,280 --> 00:23:41,439 Speaker 3: give them, you know, the sense of hope back and 395 00:23:41,560 --> 00:23:46,680 Speaker 3: hold onto faith because yeah, the system is not built 396 00:23:46,680 --> 00:23:50,600 Speaker 3: for our people. You know, when we look at the 397 00:23:50,640 --> 00:23:54,600 Speaker 3: State of West Australia, they only had one original out 398 00:23:54,600 --> 00:23:58,560 Speaker 3: of home care service until late last year when there 399 00:23:58,640 --> 00:24:02,280 Speaker 3: was some contracts given to other Aboriginal providers. One out 400 00:24:02,280 --> 00:24:05,480 Speaker 3: of home care service provider out of I think it 401 00:24:05,520 --> 00:24:07,159 Speaker 3: was about one hundred and twenty seven. 402 00:24:07,040 --> 00:24:10,639 Speaker 1: And more than fifty percent of children, more than fifty 403 00:24:10,640 --> 00:24:13,240 Speaker 1: percent of the children living in our home care in 404 00:24:13,280 --> 00:24:17,640 Speaker 1: Western Australia, our Aboriginal kids. Yes, and yet only last 405 00:24:17,760 --> 00:24:21,720 Speaker 1: year a few service providers yeah, gone to funding as 406 00:24:21,800 --> 00:24:23,640 Speaker 1: black organizations. 407 00:24:23,000 --> 00:24:23,880 Speaker 3: Abriginal organization. 408 00:24:23,920 --> 00:24:25,119 Speaker 2: That's absolutely disgusting. 409 00:24:25,160 --> 00:24:26,000 Speaker 3: It is disgusting. 410 00:24:26,040 --> 00:24:27,240 Speaker 2: But it's not surprising, is it. 411 00:24:27,600 --> 00:24:30,840 Speaker 3: No, it's not surprising. It's not surprising. And when we 412 00:24:30,920 --> 00:24:35,719 Speaker 3: talk about and when we talk about funding and money, 413 00:24:36,680 --> 00:24:40,600 Speaker 3: we talk about if it costs one hundred thousand dollars 414 00:24:40,640 --> 00:24:43,320 Speaker 3: as a base for one children out of home care, 415 00:24:43,440 --> 00:24:45,520 Speaker 3: time's up by three thirty two hundred. 416 00:24:47,800 --> 00:24:48,840 Speaker 2: It doesn't make sense. 417 00:24:49,000 --> 00:24:51,680 Speaker 3: That's a lot of money. Yes, it's a lot of money. 418 00:24:51,720 --> 00:24:52,919 Speaker 2: It's a business, it's an industry. 419 00:24:52,920 --> 00:24:55,200 Speaker 3: It is. It's become an industry. Our children have become 420 00:24:55,200 --> 00:24:57,000 Speaker 3: an industry. Our families have become an industry. 421 00:25:00,480 --> 00:25:04,560 Speaker 1: And all I could think about with our children and 422 00:25:04,640 --> 00:25:09,840 Speaker 1: heeding family, needing, community, needing culture, needing a sense of belonging. 423 00:25:10,840 --> 00:25:17,320 Speaker 1: You know that that's what sets people up, not success, 424 00:25:17,400 --> 00:25:21,840 Speaker 1: It sets us up to live a full life, to 425 00:25:21,840 --> 00:25:24,760 Speaker 1: be able to reach our full potential as black fellows 426 00:25:24,800 --> 00:25:28,720 Speaker 1: in this country. It needs to start with our children 427 00:25:29,800 --> 00:25:33,320 Speaker 1: having access to their community, having access to culture, having 428 00:25:33,359 --> 00:25:37,600 Speaker 1: access to their families. What about our women in prison, 429 00:25:39,400 --> 00:25:41,720 Speaker 1: you know, because w Way has got the worst statistics 430 00:25:41,720 --> 00:25:45,360 Speaker 1: in the country with women in prison. In fact, average 431 00:25:45,400 --> 00:25:49,520 Speaker 1: nor women are the fastest growing prison demographic in the country, 432 00:25:49,560 --> 00:25:50,640 Speaker 1: if not in the world. 433 00:25:51,520 --> 00:25:52,520 Speaker 2: That's how bad it is. 434 00:25:54,560 --> 00:25:58,719 Speaker 3: There's for some reason, I'm not too sure why what 435 00:25:58,880 --> 00:26:04,680 Speaker 3: happened in twenty fifteen sixteen, our incarceration rate of Aboriginal 436 00:26:04,760 --> 00:26:12,760 Speaker 3: women just increased dramatically. Now there's a majority of those 437 00:26:12,800 --> 00:26:16,120 Speaker 3: women that are incarcerated that are in prison are mothers. 438 00:26:17,560 --> 00:26:18,199 Speaker 2: The artists. 439 00:26:18,960 --> 00:26:23,719 Speaker 3: So where are the children. We do have some facilities 440 00:26:23,760 --> 00:26:28,040 Speaker 3: where children, mums can have their babies. You know, mums 441 00:26:28,040 --> 00:26:31,320 Speaker 3: are given birth whiles they're incarcerated, so they can have 442 00:26:31,359 --> 00:26:35,720 Speaker 3: their babies and tell that's twelve months old. Some mothers 443 00:26:35,760 --> 00:26:38,600 Speaker 3: can have their children and tell their about four years 444 00:26:38,640 --> 00:26:42,719 Speaker 3: of age. In some minimum security prisons. The uptake of 445 00:26:42,960 --> 00:26:47,639 Speaker 3: those programs are higher for Aboriginal people than non Aboriginal people. 446 00:26:49,040 --> 00:26:52,560 Speaker 3: But the work that we're going to be doing in 447 00:26:52,600 --> 00:26:59,000 Speaker 3: the prisons is around connection to children whilst in prison 448 00:26:59,680 --> 00:27:04,520 Speaker 3: and reconnecting after prison, but also our cultural authority as 449 00:27:04,560 --> 00:27:11,000 Speaker 3: mothers as well, and how we keep that because regardless 450 00:27:11,040 --> 00:27:14,760 Speaker 3: if we're in prison or not, we're still mothers and 451 00:27:14,800 --> 00:27:19,159 Speaker 3: we still have that role and it's very important. The 452 00:27:19,240 --> 00:27:23,119 Speaker 3: system has us thinking that we're not good enough, that 453 00:27:23,160 --> 00:27:26,400 Speaker 3: we've failed, that we've failed, we've failed as mothers, we've 454 00:27:26,400 --> 00:27:30,639 Speaker 3: failed our children. We haven't failed our children. 455 00:27:30,840 --> 00:27:32,720 Speaker 2: The system has found the system. 456 00:27:32,440 --> 00:27:35,720 Speaker 3: Has failed us. They have failed us. 457 00:27:35,840 --> 00:27:37,800 Speaker 2: And our children are the ones that are punished in 458 00:27:37,840 --> 00:27:38,200 Speaker 2: the end. 459 00:27:38,359 --> 00:27:44,440 Speaker 3: Yes, So it's so we're doing some work there. That's 460 00:27:44,640 --> 00:27:47,120 Speaker 3: I'm excited about that to be doing that. 461 00:27:47,200 --> 00:27:51,680 Speaker 1: Because it's hard to sometimes keep hope and to be optimistic. 462 00:27:52,359 --> 00:27:53,320 Speaker 2: So when you said I'm. 463 00:27:53,200 --> 00:27:57,680 Speaker 1: Excited about that, I wanted to say to you, what 464 00:27:57,720 --> 00:28:00,640 Speaker 1: are you looking forward to for twenty two for what's 465 00:28:00,680 --> 00:28:02,480 Speaker 1: on the radar, what's on the horizon. 466 00:28:03,960 --> 00:28:07,360 Speaker 2: The prison work, the prison which is so important. 467 00:28:07,520 --> 00:28:12,840 Speaker 3: Yes, I've also started some preliminary conversations with the Parent Institute. 468 00:28:13,280 --> 00:28:16,960 Speaker 3: So the Parent Institute is does work on the brain. 469 00:28:17,840 --> 00:28:20,560 Speaker 3: So one of the programs that I'm very interested in 470 00:28:20,920 --> 00:28:28,320 Speaker 3: is around using the DNA to get to look at 471 00:28:29,880 --> 00:28:34,520 Speaker 3: mental health m HM. Because we know that our mental 472 00:28:34,520 --> 00:28:40,040 Speaker 3: health is an issue, and because you know, and that's 473 00:28:40,040 --> 00:28:45,040 Speaker 3: also to prevent suicides, but also our people are put 474 00:28:45,040 --> 00:28:47,120 Speaker 3: on a lot of prescription drugs for their mental health, 475 00:28:47,200 --> 00:28:52,120 Speaker 3: of course, and you know they don't all work for them, 476 00:28:52,400 --> 00:28:54,080 Speaker 3: or you know that they might be on the right. 477 00:28:54,480 --> 00:28:56,680 Speaker 1: What if they can't a script, what if they cannot 478 00:28:56,680 --> 00:28:59,760 Speaker 1: afford their prescriptions, that's another issue. 479 00:29:00,000 --> 00:29:02,000 Speaker 3: It's another issue. Look, a lot of people don't see 480 00:29:02,040 --> 00:29:05,040 Speaker 3: a counselor or a psychologist because they can't afford to 481 00:29:05,040 --> 00:29:09,640 Speaker 3: pay for one. The waiting list is too long. Culturallyafe, 482 00:29:09,680 --> 00:29:10,600 Speaker 3: culturally unsafe. 483 00:29:10,680 --> 00:29:13,840 Speaker 1: There's not enough psychologists that are black fellows that actually 484 00:29:13,960 --> 00:29:19,480 Speaker 1: understand the experience that we have, which is unique unfortunately 485 00:29:19,840 --> 00:29:21,560 Speaker 1: to black fellows. 486 00:29:21,920 --> 00:29:25,320 Speaker 3: Yeah. So, and you know, again we talk about assessment tools, 487 00:29:25,360 --> 00:29:30,520 Speaker 3: and assessment tools aren't culturally appropriate. They don't consider our 488 00:29:30,560 --> 00:29:36,959 Speaker 3: cultural needs. So it's you know, and these are the 489 00:29:37,000 --> 00:29:40,120 Speaker 3: things that we want to change. We want to improve 490 00:29:40,200 --> 00:29:42,920 Speaker 3: people's well being all over, you know, their spiritual wellbeing, 491 00:29:42,960 --> 00:29:48,200 Speaker 3: their emotional, you know, their mental health. And that's that's 492 00:29:48,240 --> 00:29:53,600 Speaker 3: I'm excited for that, and also hoping that we can 493 00:29:53,640 --> 00:29:58,360 Speaker 3: do some work within the juvenile justice area, hoping to 494 00:29:58,400 --> 00:30:03,680 Speaker 3: do that. And I say, I'm excited about this, and 495 00:30:03,760 --> 00:30:05,680 Speaker 3: you know, people say, oh, why are you excited for that? 496 00:30:05,720 --> 00:30:11,240 Speaker 3: You know, because it's about breaking the curses. 497 00:30:12,920 --> 00:30:15,360 Speaker 2: That's been around for how many generators. 498 00:30:14,960 --> 00:30:18,240 Speaker 3: Breaking the curses of genocide, getting our families back together, 499 00:30:18,320 --> 00:30:21,120 Speaker 3: empowering our young children. You know, in the state of 500 00:30:21,120 --> 00:30:23,440 Speaker 3: West Australia, we have one neused detention center and that's 501 00:30:23,480 --> 00:30:24,800 Speaker 3: in Perth. 502 00:30:25,680 --> 00:30:26,520 Speaker 2: Long way from home. 503 00:30:26,640 --> 00:30:28,200 Speaker 3: It's a long way from home for a lot of 504 00:30:28,560 --> 00:30:31,640 Speaker 3: So what it does is it disconnects children because they 505 00:30:31,640 --> 00:30:35,760 Speaker 3: are children from their family, from their community, from their 506 00:30:35,800 --> 00:30:41,040 Speaker 3: cultural practices. Families can't visit, it's a long way, they 507 00:30:41,080 --> 00:30:43,160 Speaker 3: don't have the funds, they don't have the accommodation. 508 00:30:44,080 --> 00:30:47,840 Speaker 1: Just let people know that's Banksier, that's the attention center, 509 00:30:48,280 --> 00:30:53,120 Speaker 1: and there is there is a lot of international pressure 510 00:30:53,320 --> 00:30:57,640 Speaker 1: on Banksia at the moment right in terms of breaches 511 00:30:58,640 --> 00:31:03,880 Speaker 1: of human rights that detention center. Most people I actually 512 00:31:03,960 --> 00:31:07,320 Speaker 1: educate people about Dondale and Banksia to let people know 513 00:31:08,240 --> 00:31:12,200 Speaker 1: that some of our children in these detention centers, especially 514 00:31:12,200 --> 00:31:13,240 Speaker 1: in Dondale. 515 00:31:14,320 --> 00:31:15,160 Speaker 2: There was a. 516 00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:17,880 Speaker 1: Documentary called and you can have a look at it. 517 00:31:17,880 --> 00:31:21,840 Speaker 1: It's Australia's Shame and it highlights the treatment of Aberiginal 518 00:31:21,920 --> 00:31:24,880 Speaker 1: children in Dondae Youth Detention Center and the expert on camera. 519 00:31:25,240 --> 00:31:29,160 Speaker 1: I will never forget these words. It haunts me some days. 520 00:31:29,920 --> 00:31:32,320 Speaker 1: He said that the treatment of aberishin Or children in 521 00:31:32,400 --> 00:31:34,480 Speaker 1: Don Dae Youth Detention Center was up there with the 522 00:31:34,520 --> 00:31:41,360 Speaker 1: treatment of detainees in Guantanamo Bay. Yes, our children and 523 00:31:41,560 --> 00:31:46,200 Speaker 1: not rehabilitating in these centers. They're coming out traumatized. 524 00:31:46,720 --> 00:31:48,680 Speaker 2: The data is there, the evidence is there. There was 525 00:31:48,720 --> 00:31:52,240 Speaker 2: an inquiry into dondale Go and read the report. 526 00:31:53,280 --> 00:31:56,040 Speaker 1: So in terms of Banksia, when you said there's one 527 00:31:56,080 --> 00:31:59,160 Speaker 1: detention center here, I had to call out a name, 528 00:31:59,360 --> 00:32:03,600 Speaker 1: the distention center, because a lot of people don't even 529 00:32:03,680 --> 00:32:05,120 Speaker 1: know what's happening in Banksier. 530 00:32:05,280 --> 00:32:07,160 Speaker 3: No, and it's horrible what's happening there. And you know 531 00:32:07,840 --> 00:32:10,080 Speaker 3: when we talk, when we hear about the riots that 532 00:32:10,120 --> 00:32:13,360 Speaker 3: happen in Banksier, what about the little ten year old 533 00:32:13,360 --> 00:32:16,480 Speaker 3: that's in there on remand that's been exposed to this 534 00:32:16,840 --> 00:32:19,880 Speaker 3: it's been traumatized by the riots. You know, what about 535 00:32:19,880 --> 00:32:24,240 Speaker 3: the twelve year old? So there's a lot happening. Yeah, 536 00:32:24,280 --> 00:32:29,360 Speaker 3: and our children shouldn't be exposed to this behavior. So 537 00:32:30,400 --> 00:32:32,080 Speaker 3: hopefully we can get in and we can start doing 538 00:32:32,080 --> 00:32:34,000 Speaker 3: some work, because what we need to do is we 539 00:32:34,080 --> 00:32:37,840 Speaker 3: need to reduce these incarceration rates, and it's up to 540 00:32:37,920 --> 00:32:39,920 Speaker 3: us to do it. Yeah, not the government. 541 00:32:40,240 --> 00:32:42,719 Speaker 2: Yeah that I don't know. 542 00:32:42,800 --> 00:32:47,000 Speaker 1: But people always say, you know, if they're in there, 543 00:32:47,080 --> 00:32:49,360 Speaker 1: they're meant to be there and all of this stuff. Look, 544 00:32:49,520 --> 00:32:52,719 Speaker 1: let's put that aside for now. Yeah, because if you 545 00:32:52,880 --> 00:32:56,440 Speaker 1: don't understand our shared history in this country, then I 546 00:32:56,440 --> 00:32:58,960 Speaker 1: don't think you should even have an opinion. If you 547 00:32:59,000 --> 00:33:04,560 Speaker 1: don't understand systemic and institutional racism, oh you have never 548 00:33:04,600 --> 00:33:06,880 Speaker 1: been on the receiving end of racism and discrimination. I 549 00:33:06,880 --> 00:33:09,520 Speaker 1: don't think you're informed to an opinion. So I have 550 00:33:09,640 --> 00:33:13,280 Speaker 1: these arguments with people every now and again. When when 551 00:33:13,280 --> 00:33:16,880 Speaker 1: I when I really feel fired up. So doing the 552 00:33:16,880 --> 00:33:19,000 Speaker 1: work that you do, obviously you're doing a lot to 553 00:33:19,080 --> 00:33:22,920 Speaker 1: also inspire a lot of us deadly black women to 554 00:33:23,000 --> 00:33:27,160 Speaker 1: wrap up our yarn. What keeps you going? How do 555 00:33:27,160 --> 00:33:31,680 Speaker 1: you look after yourself? How do you look after Naoka? 556 00:33:32,880 --> 00:33:36,920 Speaker 3: I go shopping for shoes. I walk every. 557 00:33:36,800 --> 00:33:39,800 Speaker 2: Every day, and that's okay, every day to do. 558 00:33:39,680 --> 00:33:42,360 Speaker 1: That for ourselves, to treat ourselves, to play for ourselves. 559 00:33:42,880 --> 00:33:46,560 Speaker 3: But I walk just about every day. I do plarties 560 00:33:46,600 --> 00:33:52,240 Speaker 3: twice a week, and I eat well. Yeah, you know, 561 00:33:52,320 --> 00:33:55,080 Speaker 3: I look after myself. Yeah, because if I don't look 562 00:33:55,120 --> 00:33:57,960 Speaker 3: after myself, nobody else is going to do it. Yeah, 563 00:33:58,000 --> 00:33:58,600 Speaker 3: and that's it. 564 00:33:58,880 --> 00:34:01,600 Speaker 1: And I think that's the most and that people realize that, 565 00:34:02,320 --> 00:34:05,680 Speaker 1: you know, we're in business where moms where aunties were sisters, 566 00:34:05,680 --> 00:34:11,120 Speaker 1: we're granddaughters. We're doing a lot in our community as 567 00:34:11,239 --> 00:34:14,400 Speaker 1: mothers because culturally that's. 568 00:34:14,239 --> 00:34:18,040 Speaker 2: What we've always done. That's all we know. So I 569 00:34:18,120 --> 00:34:18,600 Speaker 2: just want to. 570 00:34:18,520 --> 00:34:23,040 Speaker 1: Say I have literally waited for a long time to 571 00:34:23,080 --> 00:34:25,880 Speaker 1: finally have this yarn. I didn't think zoom was the 572 00:34:25,960 --> 00:34:29,239 Speaker 1: right way to do the yarn, to just sit and 573 00:34:29,360 --> 00:34:31,520 Speaker 1: have a yarn and kind of catch up at the 574 00:34:31,560 --> 00:34:35,239 Speaker 1: same time. You know what I saw Louis Vuitton downstairs. 575 00:34:37,440 --> 00:34:40,520 Speaker 1: I was walking to the workshop yesterday and I stopped 576 00:34:40,640 --> 00:34:43,640 Speaker 1: at the doorway and all I heard was my husband 577 00:34:43,760 --> 00:34:47,480 Speaker 1: saying keep walking. So I just wanted to say, I 578 00:34:47,520 --> 00:34:52,839 Speaker 1: absolutely love everything you do, the fashion, the dresses. Every 579 00:34:52,840 --> 00:34:56,560 Speaker 1: time I see different events and online and the beautiful 580 00:34:56,640 --> 00:35:03,120 Speaker 1: posts that you put. You remind me me to love myself. 581 00:35:03,400 --> 00:35:03,840 Speaker 3: You have to. 582 00:35:04,040 --> 00:35:06,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, you remind me to look after myself when I 583 00:35:06,560 --> 00:35:09,520 Speaker 1: see your post. You know, sometimes I feel like, oh, 584 00:35:09,520 --> 00:35:11,360 Speaker 1: I couldn't do that. I couldn't post that, And I'm like, no, 585 00:35:12,200 --> 00:35:18,880 Speaker 1: why can't I feel, you know, comfortable in showing people 586 00:35:19,440 --> 00:35:21,640 Speaker 1: that I look after myself, that I treat myself. 587 00:35:21,719 --> 00:35:24,400 Speaker 2: Why, you know, that's something that I always struggle with. 588 00:35:24,640 --> 00:35:27,799 Speaker 3: Yeah. No, we shouldn't have to struggle with that. And 589 00:35:28,360 --> 00:35:32,880 Speaker 3: you know, we are allowed to We're allowed to be flash. Yes, 590 00:35:32,920 --> 00:35:36,160 Speaker 3: there's nothing wrong with us being flash. No, and you 591 00:35:36,200 --> 00:35:40,360 Speaker 3: know Louis Vuton, I walk up. I have a personal 592 00:35:40,440 --> 00:35:44,680 Speaker 3: shopper in Louis Vuitton, now you know. And it's why 593 00:35:44,680 --> 00:35:46,799 Speaker 3: can't I have that as afforded to the rest of 594 00:35:46,840 --> 00:35:48,239 Speaker 3: the community. Yes, you know. 595 00:35:48,760 --> 00:35:52,879 Speaker 1: So it's an interesting just as black women that make 596 00:35:53,080 --> 00:35:55,480 Speaker 1: our own money, I'm not government funded. 597 00:35:55,880 --> 00:35:56,960 Speaker 2: You're not government funded. 598 00:35:57,000 --> 00:36:00,799 Speaker 1: You might get some government funding, but our core business 599 00:36:01,280 --> 00:36:05,200 Speaker 1: realize on us bringing in that money and employing other people, 600 00:36:05,920 --> 00:36:08,480 Speaker 1: you know, and paying our own bills and paying our mortgages. 601 00:36:09,000 --> 00:36:12,360 Speaker 1: People think that successful Aboriginal people and business must be 602 00:36:12,440 --> 00:36:16,440 Speaker 1: government funded. How could you potentially be successful without the 603 00:36:16,520 --> 00:36:17,360 Speaker 1: government support? 604 00:36:17,400 --> 00:36:18,200 Speaker 2: Well, let me tell you. 605 00:36:18,239 --> 00:36:22,280 Speaker 1: Now, I know a lot of blackfellows that are successful 606 00:36:22,760 --> 00:36:25,759 Speaker 1: and that have made it, and that are also you know, 607 00:36:25,920 --> 00:36:29,080 Speaker 1: getting to that point where they realize their own success 608 00:36:29,880 --> 00:36:31,440 Speaker 1: and that should be celebrated. 609 00:36:31,520 --> 00:36:31,920 Speaker 2: That's right. 610 00:36:32,320 --> 00:36:35,200 Speaker 1: I can't wait for us to catch up again and 611 00:36:35,600 --> 00:36:39,520 Speaker 1: you know, find opportunities and make the time for each 612 00:36:39,560 --> 00:36:42,120 Speaker 1: other to catch up and just have a yarn. So 613 00:36:42,200 --> 00:36:44,200 Speaker 1: thank you so much for making time for me today. 614 00:36:44,440 --> 00:36:45,640 Speaker 3: Thank you. 615 00:36:45,960 --> 00:36:53,600 Speaker 1: I can't wait to get shopping with you. On that note, 616 00:36:53,800 --> 00:36:55,760 Speaker 1: I just want to say thank you very much for 617 00:36:56,120 --> 00:37:00,359 Speaker 1: tuning in, listening, and watching now on YouTube. Hope you've 618 00:37:00,400 --> 00:37:04,120 Speaker 1: enjoyed this yarn. Until next time. Both now. If you'd 619 00:37:04,160 --> 00:37:07,319 Speaker 1: like any more info on today's guest, please visit our 620 00:37:07,360 --> 00:37:12,239 Speaker 1: show notes in the episode description. A big shout out 621 00:37:12,239 --> 00:37:15,720 Speaker 1: to all you Deadly Mob and allies who continue to listen, watch, 622 00:37:15,800 --> 00:37:19,799 Speaker 1: and support our podcast. Your feedback means the world. 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