1
00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:03,680
Speaker 1: News this morning that after twenty years of celebrating Territory

2
00:00:03,720 --> 00:00:07,400
Speaker 1: Day at Mindle Beach, the Territory Day fireworks celebrations are

3
00:00:07,440 --> 00:00:10,000
Speaker 1: going to be moving to another location this year.

4
00:00:10,320 --> 00:00:10,480
Speaker 2: Now.

5
00:00:10,520 --> 00:00:12,440
Speaker 1: We raised the issue last week on the week that

6
00:00:12,680 --> 00:00:16,880
Speaker 1: was after being contacted by concerned territorians. Now the government

7
00:00:17,040 --> 00:00:20,279
Speaker 1: and Northern Territory Major Events have confirmed.

8
00:00:19,760 --> 00:00:21,680
Speaker 2: That there will be a switch.

9
00:00:22,160 --> 00:00:24,840
Speaker 1: Brent Potter, the Minister four Major Events, joins me in

10
00:00:24,840 --> 00:00:25,320
Speaker 1: the studio.

11
00:00:25,400 --> 00:00:26,360
Speaker 2: Good morning to your minister.

12
00:00:26,400 --> 00:00:27,280
Speaker 3: Good morning Katie.

13
00:00:27,400 --> 00:00:28,240
Speaker 2: Where's it moving to.

14
00:00:28,440 --> 00:00:30,639
Speaker 3: It's going to the waterfront. It will only be for

15
00:00:30,680 --> 00:00:31,000
Speaker 3: one year.

16
00:00:31,040 --> 00:00:33,360
Speaker 4: As the local member for Fanny Bay that has Mindle Beach,

17
00:00:33,400 --> 00:00:37,159
Speaker 4: I'm extremely disappointed, as I know many territorians are. The

18
00:00:37,240 --> 00:00:39,080
Speaker 4: sad reality though on this one is that we for

19
00:00:39,120 --> 00:00:40,680
Speaker 4: the first time in twenty four years, we were told

20
00:00:40,680 --> 00:00:43,840
Speaker 4: that we would need an up accreditational certificate in the time.

21
00:00:44,760 --> 00:00:46,800
Speaker 3: I don't know why that has changed. I don't think

22
00:00:46,800 --> 00:00:47,360
Speaker 3: it's ever changed.

23
00:00:47,400 --> 00:00:49,959
Speaker 4: I don't think it's ever been articulated directly to nt

24
00:00:50,120 --> 00:00:52,720
Speaker 4: MECH and government. And it came around through Base in

25
00:00:52,720 --> 00:00:54,920
Speaker 4: the Grass but also the City of Darwini and do

26
00:00:54,960 --> 00:00:57,520
Speaker 4: some repairs and they were told they needed certificate as well.

27
00:00:58,000 --> 00:01:00,200
Speaker 4: Once you know that information, if you progress with with

28
00:01:00,280 --> 00:01:03,120
Speaker 4: Mindle Beach fireworks on Territory Day and there's an issue,

29
00:01:03,120 --> 00:01:04,520
Speaker 4: will potentially government's liable.

30
00:01:04,680 --> 00:01:07,880
Speaker 1: So if somebody made a complaint about Territory Day happening,

31
00:01:07,920 --> 00:01:11,120
Speaker 1: because correct me if I'm wrong. Aren't the fireworks let

32
00:01:11,200 --> 00:01:14,319
Speaker 1: off from a barge? Like they're not actually let off

33
00:01:14,640 --> 00:01:15,440
Speaker 1: from Mindle Beach.

34
00:01:15,520 --> 00:01:17,320
Speaker 4: Yeah, but it's the volume of people on the beach

35
00:01:17,319 --> 00:01:20,360
Speaker 4: and there are some sacred sites that are marked out there.

36
00:01:20,959 --> 00:01:23,040
Speaker 4: I'm unsure if it's a particular person or a group

37
00:01:23,040 --> 00:01:24,800
Speaker 4: of people. I don't have that detail. But what I

38
00:01:24,840 --> 00:01:26,919
Speaker 4: know is that we were informed we'd need that certificate

39
00:01:27,319 --> 00:01:31,360
Speaker 4: and rather well, APPA told NTI Mech and nt Mech

40
00:01:31,360 --> 00:01:33,679
Speaker 4: came to me and I put it to nt Mech

41
00:01:33,680 --> 00:01:35,360
Speaker 4: and said, well, if we will not get it in time,

42
00:01:35,480 --> 00:01:37,399
Speaker 4: is that sort of with the timeframe we have, And

43
00:01:37,440 --> 00:01:39,960
Speaker 4: that was the general consensus. And rather than make you

44
00:01:40,200 --> 00:01:42,399
Speaker 4: leave it to last minute and sort of annoyed territories

45
00:01:42,440 --> 00:01:44,560
Speaker 4: with the last minute twenty four change, we made the

46
00:01:44,560 --> 00:01:47,320
Speaker 4: decision to move it earlier and get it to Darwin Waterfront.

47
00:01:47,400 --> 00:01:49,120
Speaker 4: But I'm telling people that are going back next year,

48
00:01:49,120 --> 00:01:50,800
Speaker 4: because that's where it has always been and that's where

49
00:01:50,800 --> 00:01:51,280
Speaker 4: it should be.

50
00:01:51,480 --> 00:01:54,000
Speaker 1: There will literally, So some people are going to be wondering,

51
00:01:54,000 --> 00:01:57,880
Speaker 1: who are is that's the Aboriginal Area's Protection for Authority,

52
00:01:58,760 --> 00:02:00,320
Speaker 1: Who's running the territory them?

53
00:02:00,600 --> 00:02:02,760
Speaker 4: Or you guys, Well, it falls under legislation and we're

54
00:02:02,760 --> 00:02:06,320
Speaker 4: bound by legislation. I don't think it's every other non

55
00:02:06,320 --> 00:02:08,799
Speaker 4: government agency goes and gets those certificates for any type

56
00:02:08,840 --> 00:02:09,640
Speaker 4: of work they want to do.

57
00:02:10,160 --> 00:02:11,440
Speaker 3: Government should be no different.

58
00:02:11,840 --> 00:02:13,840
Speaker 4: But what was different in this instance was the first

59
00:02:13,880 --> 00:02:15,520
Speaker 4: time in twenty four years we'd ever been told we

60
00:02:15,560 --> 00:02:15,960
Speaker 4: needed one.

61
00:02:16,080 --> 00:02:18,799
Speaker 2: So what's changed in twenty four years?

62
00:02:18,880 --> 00:02:21,280
Speaker 1: Why now all of a sudden does the Aboriginal Areas

63
00:02:21,320 --> 00:02:24,760
Speaker 1: Protection Authority feel that that certificate is required when they

64
00:02:24,800 --> 00:02:25,600
Speaker 1: haven't in the past.

65
00:02:25,760 --> 00:02:27,840
Speaker 4: That's probably a better question for them to answer. You know,

66
00:02:27,880 --> 00:02:30,560
Speaker 4: that's not in my wheelhouse, but from an NTA Major

67
00:02:30,600 --> 00:02:34,160
Speaker 4: Events minister portfolio, I'm glad the Department did the right

68
00:02:34,240 --> 00:02:36,600
Speaker 4: thing in the diligence and asked the question. But the

69
00:02:36,639 --> 00:02:39,280
Speaker 4: reality was if we progress without that certificate, potentially we

70
00:02:39,360 --> 00:02:41,680
Speaker 4: reliable to litigation. And the last thing I want is

71
00:02:41,760 --> 00:02:43,480
Speaker 4: territory tax payers having to pay money for it.

72
00:02:44,919 --> 00:02:48,240
Speaker 1: Could be sued for having a Territory Day event in

73
00:02:48,240 --> 00:02:49,760
Speaker 1: a Northern Territory location.

74
00:02:50,040 --> 00:02:51,520
Speaker 4: If something was to go wrong and there was to

75
00:02:51,560 --> 00:02:54,440
Speaker 4: be damage to a traditional site or a sacred site

76
00:02:54,480 --> 00:02:56,840
Speaker 4: that's on there, yes, then potentially, And I'm not aware

77
00:02:56,840 --> 00:02:59,519
Speaker 4: of who has or hasn't said they wouldn't support Territory

78
00:02:59,600 --> 00:03:01,840
Speaker 4: Day or get that certificate. But what I do know

79
00:03:01,960 --> 00:03:03,680
Speaker 4: is the time to go through the process to get

80
00:03:03,680 --> 00:03:05,840
Speaker 4: it from the moment we were told the timelines are

81
00:03:05,840 --> 00:03:07,440
Speaker 4: going to be too close to Territory Day and the

82
00:03:07,480 --> 00:03:09,880
Speaker 4: last thing I want to do is stuff territories around Territory.

83
00:03:09,600 --> 00:03:10,520
Speaker 3: Day and cancel it.

84
00:03:10,680 --> 00:03:12,720
Speaker 2: So how we're still able to have base in the grass?

85
00:03:12,840 --> 00:03:14,440
Speaker 4: Well, based on the grass moved, I meant to have

86
00:03:14,520 --> 00:03:18,480
Speaker 4: a beach front or a beach stage that got pulled back.

87
00:03:19,480 --> 00:03:21,359
Speaker 2: How we're still able to have Mindle markets.

88
00:03:22,520 --> 00:03:25,640
Speaker 4: Mindle Markets is necessarily on the beach itself, as you

89
00:03:25,680 --> 00:03:26,480
Speaker 4: know as we go down.

90
00:03:26,520 --> 00:03:27,760
Speaker 3: But that's the way it's worked out.

91
00:03:27,840 --> 00:03:30,600
Speaker 1: Have we literally got a situation here where the Aboriginal

92
00:03:30,639 --> 00:03:35,000
Speaker 1: Areas Protection Authority could stop territorians or anybody from going

93
00:03:35,040 --> 00:03:36,320
Speaker 1: down on Mindle Beach.

94
00:03:36,640 --> 00:03:38,360
Speaker 4: Just to be really clear, though, this is an nt

95
00:03:38,520 --> 00:03:41,800
Speaker 4: mech and upper issue to resolve. At the end of

96
00:03:41,840 --> 00:03:43,200
Speaker 4: the day, we will be back next year. We'll do

97
00:03:43,280 --> 00:03:45,320
Speaker 4: everything we can to be back next year. I am

98
00:03:45,360 --> 00:03:48,040
Speaker 4: disappointed as the local member. There's nothing more I want

99
00:03:48,080 --> 00:03:49,520
Speaker 4: to see or don't want to see. Is it moved

100
00:03:49,560 --> 00:03:50,119
Speaker 4: to another area?

101
00:03:50,520 --> 00:03:53,200
Speaker 1: And look, I know that you are not the Aboriginal

102
00:03:53,240 --> 00:03:55,920
Speaker 1: Areas Protection Authority. I know that you know by the

103
00:03:55,960 --> 00:03:58,200
Speaker 1: sounds of it, major events trying to do their best

104
00:03:58,280 --> 00:03:59,800
Speaker 1: to still make the event happen.

105
00:04:00,680 --> 00:04:02,440
Speaker 2: But to everybody out there listening this.

106
00:04:02,360 --> 00:04:05,160
Speaker 1: Morning, you know what what is stopping the Aboriginal Areas

107
00:04:05,200 --> 00:04:09,160
Speaker 1: Protection Authority from enabling the Mindle Markets goers to be

108
00:04:09,200 --> 00:04:13,000
Speaker 1: able to sit down there on Mindle Beach or from

109
00:04:13,160 --> 00:04:15,840
Speaker 1: people being able to enjoy going down there on to

110
00:04:15,920 --> 00:04:17,360
Speaker 1: Mindle Beach at this point in time.

111
00:04:17,440 --> 00:04:19,160
Speaker 4: And I'm not the expert in this, but and it's

112
00:04:19,200 --> 00:04:21,960
Speaker 4: probably better Anti mechan up to have that discussion. But

113
00:04:22,000 --> 00:04:24,680
Speaker 4: my assumption would be that the area for the event

114
00:04:24,720 --> 00:04:26,880
Speaker 4: would include the beach when the application would have been

115
00:04:26,920 --> 00:04:29,520
Speaker 4: all when they conduct the event, and that's what's brought

116
00:04:29,520 --> 00:04:32,120
Speaker 4: it into question. Whereas Mindle Beach Markets, they aren't actually

117
00:04:32,160 --> 00:04:34,640
Speaker 4: putting their event onto the beach. People going on there,

118
00:04:34,680 --> 00:04:36,560
Speaker 4: that's no different. You know, people going about on their

119
00:04:36,560 --> 00:04:39,080
Speaker 4: weekends walking their dog on the beach, that's no different.

120
00:04:39,480 --> 00:04:41,960
Speaker 4: But this particular instance, what we got Once Anti Mech

121
00:04:42,000 --> 00:04:44,680
Speaker 4: got that information, they needed to act on that information,

122
00:04:44,760 --> 00:04:45,600
Speaker 4: and it's disappointing.

123
00:04:45,800 --> 00:04:46,560
Speaker 3: But were so.

124
00:04:46,520 --> 00:04:50,440
Speaker 1: Disappointing, honestly, it's so disappointing because we are such a

125
00:04:50,520 --> 00:04:53,640
Speaker 1: multicultural place, right, we are a place that we have

126
00:04:53,800 --> 00:04:56,560
Speaker 1: so many wonderful events. I mean, even on the weekend,

127
00:04:56,839 --> 00:04:59,960
Speaker 1: You've got a situation where Indigenous culture is being celebrated

128
00:05:00,120 --> 00:05:04,120
Speaker 1: in the Northern Territory at Baranga. You know, every like

129
00:05:04,720 --> 00:05:07,760
Speaker 1: you know, there are some incredible, incredible things that happen

130
00:05:07,800 --> 00:05:10,960
Speaker 1: in the Northern Territory. But like I'm being told behind

131
00:05:11,000 --> 00:05:13,000
Speaker 1: the scenes here, and please correct me if I'm wrong,

132
00:05:13,040 --> 00:05:15,040
Speaker 1: but I'm being told behind the scenes here that this

133
00:05:15,400 --> 00:05:19,880
Speaker 1: is a retaliation from some by the fact that the

134
00:05:19,960 --> 00:05:21,640
Speaker 1: Lee Point development is going ahead.

135
00:05:21,920 --> 00:05:23,040
Speaker 2: Do you know anything about that?

136
00:05:23,120 --> 00:05:26,640
Speaker 4: Listen, I've had that informally presented to me from various

137
00:05:26,640 --> 00:05:28,520
Speaker 4: people in the public, but it's not a formal position

138
00:05:28,560 --> 00:05:30,719
Speaker 4: that's been delivered, and I'd be speculating and say if

139
00:05:30,760 --> 00:05:32,520
Speaker 4: it was or wasn't have we got.

140
00:05:32,360 --> 00:05:35,480
Speaker 1: A situation here where territory days being weaponized.

141
00:05:36,279 --> 00:05:38,599
Speaker 4: Oh listen, that's probably a question for those people you

142
00:05:38,680 --> 00:05:41,200
Speaker 4: talk about that potentially have an issue with it being

143
00:05:41,200 --> 00:05:44,400
Speaker 4: done there. I mean, it is just disappointing, Like you know,

144
00:05:45,040 --> 00:05:47,520
Speaker 4: removing all of all of all of the stut, the

145
00:05:47,520 --> 00:05:50,080
Speaker 4: white noise out of it's just plainly disappointing. It needs

146
00:05:50,080 --> 00:05:52,320
Speaker 4: to be back there next year. You know, no one

147
00:05:52,320 --> 00:05:53,760
Speaker 4: wants to be the no one wants to be the

148
00:05:53,760 --> 00:05:57,120
Speaker 4: person that moves the event. Antimch certainly does not want

149
00:05:57,120 --> 00:05:57,320
Speaker 4: to be.

150
00:05:57,800 --> 00:05:58,479
Speaker 3: We know what we know.

151
00:05:58,640 --> 00:06:00,680
Speaker 4: Once that information is there, they had to act on it.

152
00:06:00,760 --> 00:06:02,800
Speaker 4: So we've had to act with them. So it'll be

153
00:06:02,800 --> 00:06:03,360
Speaker 4: back next year.

154
00:06:03,440 --> 00:06:05,600
Speaker 1: So Minister, as far as you're concerned, at this point

155
00:06:05,600 --> 00:06:08,640
Speaker 1: in time, nothing can be changed to have it still

156
00:06:08,680 --> 00:06:09,799
Speaker 1: go ahead at mindle Beach.

157
00:06:09,960 --> 00:06:13,040
Speaker 4: The time frames to get that certificate would we would

158
00:06:13,040 --> 00:06:16,440
Speaker 4: be pushing it right up to last minute if not unachievable,

159
00:06:16,640 --> 00:06:18,520
Speaker 4: And so that was why the decision was made.

160
00:06:18,640 --> 00:06:20,880
Speaker 3: To move it. And listen, we've got to give people certainty.

161
00:06:20,880 --> 00:06:22,800
Speaker 4: There's people that have booked rooms in Canova and I

162
00:06:22,800 --> 00:06:24,920
Speaker 4: read the comments on NT News and there's people that

163
00:06:25,000 --> 00:06:28,520
Speaker 4: booked accommodation a Columba to walk down. For those people,

164
00:06:28,720 --> 00:06:31,400
Speaker 4: I'm disappointed with you, but we needed to make decision

165
00:06:31,480 --> 00:06:33,880
Speaker 4: earlier rather than later so that we can continue the event.

166
00:06:34,480 --> 00:06:36,480
Speaker 3: But next year we'll be back at Mindle Beach.

167
00:06:36,720 --> 00:06:40,600
Speaker 1: Now we've also though, got market stallholders who are really concerned,

168
00:06:40,640 --> 00:06:42,800
Speaker 1: Like I can totally understand why if you booked a

169
00:06:42,880 --> 00:06:45,680
Speaker 1: unit you'd be furious now that it's been moved. But

170
00:06:45,720 --> 00:06:48,600
Speaker 1: we've also now got a situation where those market stall holders,

171
00:06:48,960 --> 00:06:50,400
Speaker 1: you know, I know quite a few of them.

172
00:06:50,400 --> 00:06:51,400
Speaker 2: They're literally mums and.

173
00:06:51,440 --> 00:06:55,400
Speaker 1: Dads that have those stools as a second income, yes,

174
00:06:55,760 --> 00:06:57,680
Speaker 1: you know, to try and pay their bills in cost

175
00:06:57,760 --> 00:07:00,680
Speaker 1: of living crisis, and now they're in a situation where

176
00:07:00,720 --> 00:07:05,000
Speaker 1: they've probably already ordered to some degree additional stock for

177
00:07:05,160 --> 00:07:05,599
Speaker 1: the event.

178
00:07:06,400 --> 00:07:08,279
Speaker 2: They're no longer going to be able to operate.

179
00:07:09,200 --> 00:07:12,600
Speaker 4: I can only sympathize with their situation and agree with them.

180
00:07:12,600 --> 00:07:15,280
Speaker 4: I'd be angry to let's just put that front and center.

181
00:07:15,520 --> 00:07:18,239
Speaker 4: There will be an expression of interest opened up later today.

182
00:07:18,240 --> 00:07:20,880
Speaker 4: I believe for some of those vendors to then go

183
00:07:20,960 --> 00:07:23,120
Speaker 4: down to the waterfront so that they can continue to

184
00:07:23,120 --> 00:07:25,640
Speaker 4: deliver that service and that should go out later today.

185
00:07:25,920 --> 00:07:27,640
Speaker 1: All right, So there's going to be an EI for

186
00:07:27,680 --> 00:07:29,720
Speaker 1: some of those vendors. That'll only be for a small number,

187
00:07:29,720 --> 00:07:30,320
Speaker 1: though I won't.

188
00:07:30,120 --> 00:07:31,560
Speaker 4: It the number off the top of my head. I

189
00:07:31,560 --> 00:07:34,600
Speaker 4: think it's fifteen or thereabouts. It's not a huge number.

190
00:07:34,600 --> 00:07:37,040
Speaker 4: It doesn't nearly go to all of the vendors we

191
00:07:37,080 --> 00:07:39,760
Speaker 4: see at mendele Beach and kon disappointed.

192
00:07:40,520 --> 00:07:41,040
Speaker 3: I just can't.

193
00:07:41,320 --> 00:07:43,480
Speaker 4: There's nothing I can interfere in this place. There's no

194
00:07:43,520 --> 00:07:46,880
Speaker 4: discretion there. I'm disappointed it's got to this for those businesses.

195
00:07:47,080 --> 00:07:49,680
Speaker 4: You know, it's disappointing, but we'll be back in twenty

196
00:07:49,680 --> 00:07:50,080
Speaker 4: two four.

197
00:07:50,480 --> 00:07:52,920
Speaker 1: I mean, what is your message though, to like to

198
00:07:52,960 --> 00:07:56,000
Speaker 1: the Aboriginal Areas Protection Authority this morning.

199
00:07:56,200 --> 00:07:58,120
Speaker 4: Well, I don't think it's necessarily there either in the

200
00:07:58,120 --> 00:08:00,640
Speaker 4: context they're not the deny or the approver.

201
00:08:00,840 --> 00:08:04,000
Speaker 3: They work with the tos or the custodians.

202
00:08:03,560 --> 00:08:07,000
Speaker 1: Andtos that have said they don't want it there.

203
00:08:07,200 --> 00:08:09,960
Speaker 4: Listen, you've said that you've got informal feedback. I haven't

204
00:08:10,000 --> 00:08:13,240
Speaker 4: necessarily had that formally either. I think it's two things.

205
00:08:13,240 --> 00:08:15,280
Speaker 4: It's the timeline to get it done, so we've never

206
00:08:15,360 --> 00:08:17,200
Speaker 4: needed it before, and then the time in which we

207
00:08:17,280 --> 00:08:19,800
Speaker 4: got told that we would absolutely need one, the risk

208
00:08:19,880 --> 00:08:21,680
Speaker 4: was too great and n Tamak has made the decision

209
00:08:21,720 --> 00:08:24,000
Speaker 4: to move it, and we support them on that for

210
00:08:24,040 --> 00:08:25,760
Speaker 4: the reason that we don't want to see government or

211
00:08:25,800 --> 00:08:27,200
Speaker 4: the tax payer pay for the degation.

212
00:08:28,040 --> 00:08:28,280
Speaker 2: Brent.

213
00:08:28,360 --> 00:08:32,920
Speaker 1: People are going absolutely off about this on the tech signe.

214
00:08:32,720 --> 00:08:36,360
Speaker 2: Like they're really really upset and annoyed.

215
00:08:36,440 --> 00:08:40,040
Speaker 1: I think, to put it bluntly, you know, people sort

216
00:08:40,080 --> 00:08:42,600
Speaker 1: of say, look, it's just not passing.

217
00:08:42,240 --> 00:08:42,840
Speaker 2: The pub test.

218
00:08:42,960 --> 00:08:46,400
Speaker 1: They're really like they're really upset, And you know, I

219
00:08:46,880 --> 00:08:49,000
Speaker 1: don't know what to articulate to you, because by the

220
00:08:49,000 --> 00:08:51,199
Speaker 1: sounds of it, you're pretty upset and disappointed about it

221
00:08:51,440 --> 00:08:53,280
Speaker 1: as well, and doing your best to still try and

222
00:08:53,320 --> 00:08:56,400
Speaker 1: save territory day happening, and still trying to make sure

223
00:08:56,400 --> 00:08:59,199
Speaker 1: that it happens under what is a less than ideal situation.

224
00:08:59,360 --> 00:09:01,120
Speaker 2: But I guess we're just trying to get to the

225
00:09:01,120 --> 00:09:02,679
Speaker 2: bottom of why.

226
00:09:02,960 --> 00:09:03,160
Speaker 3: Yeah.

227
00:09:03,160 --> 00:09:05,559
Speaker 4: Well, I mean I've made it pretty clear that if

228
00:09:05,600 --> 00:09:08,480
Speaker 4: I'm the Portfolio Minister in the next year, I'll be

229
00:09:08,559 --> 00:09:10,560
Speaker 4: doing everything to make sure it's back at Mindle Beach

230
00:09:10,840 --> 00:09:12,440
Speaker 4: where it should be and it should never have left,

231
00:09:12,440 --> 00:09:14,800
Speaker 4: and you know, if I could text in and be angry,

232
00:09:14,840 --> 00:09:16,160
Speaker 4: I would as well. I think you'd realize it was

233
00:09:16,160 --> 00:09:18,120
Speaker 4: my number and call me out for it. But I'm frustrated.

234
00:09:18,160 --> 00:09:20,520
Speaker 4: I'm angry. It's my electorate that's had it for the

235
00:09:20,600 --> 00:09:24,040
Speaker 4: last decades. We don't want to see it move, but

236
00:09:24,080 --> 00:09:26,200
Speaker 4: we are bound by what is the protocol and the

237
00:09:26,200 --> 00:09:28,680
Speaker 4: process in this instance, and if that needs to be

238
00:09:28,720 --> 00:09:30,200
Speaker 4: looked at next year, well then I'll be doing it

239
00:09:30,240 --> 00:09:31,560
Speaker 4: because it should never.

240
00:09:31,440 --> 00:09:32,080
Speaker 3: Have had to move.

241
00:09:32,760 --> 00:09:33,200
Speaker 2: Honestly.

242
00:09:33,440 --> 00:09:35,920
Speaker 1: Look, I'm really surprised by it, to be honest, I'm

243
00:09:35,960 --> 00:09:40,120
Speaker 1: really surprised, Yeah, where this has happened, particularly when it's

244
00:09:40,160 --> 00:09:42,840
Speaker 1: just sort of weeks after basing the grass has occurred.

245
00:09:43,080 --> 00:09:45,360
Speaker 1: And what I feel worried about is the impact that

246
00:09:45,400 --> 00:09:47,679
Speaker 1: it's having then on those cycle businesses as well. But

247
00:09:47,720 --> 00:09:49,160
Speaker 1: it's such a wonderful event.

248
00:09:48,960 --> 00:09:51,080
Speaker 3: Absolutely, and I think there is we'll get to a

249
00:09:51,080 --> 00:09:53,240
Speaker 3: solution for next year. You know.

250
00:09:54,440 --> 00:09:58,440
Speaker 4: Unfortunately the calls been made to move it and we've

251
00:09:58,480 --> 00:09:59,800
Speaker 4: just got to do better for next year. And I

252
00:09:59,800 --> 00:10:03,320
Speaker 4: think that ARPO and NTI, MECH and those that are

253
00:10:03,360 --> 00:10:06,360
Speaker 4: concerned stakeholders, we need to get there and resolve it.

254
00:10:06,360 --> 00:10:06,880
Speaker 3: For next year.

255
00:10:07,000 --> 00:10:10,240
Speaker 1: Somebody's just asked, Andrew's just messaged and said, Katie, can

256
00:10:10,280 --> 00:10:13,520
Speaker 1: the exercise pitch black display still happen? That's due to happen.

257
00:10:13,559 --> 00:10:14,680
Speaker 1: I think in a few weeks time.

258
00:10:15,160 --> 00:10:16,040
Speaker 3: Where's that being done?

259
00:10:16,120 --> 00:10:17,360
Speaker 2: That's down at Mendel as well.

260
00:10:18,120 --> 00:10:21,280
Speaker 4: I believe the issue is the actual beach itself for

261
00:10:21,320 --> 00:10:22,000
Speaker 4: what was being asked.

262
00:10:22,040 --> 00:10:25,120
Speaker 3: It was the same for basing the grass.

263
00:10:25,320 --> 00:10:26,840
Speaker 4: There was meant to be a beach stage that got

264
00:10:26,880 --> 00:10:29,480
Speaker 4: pulled back, and I believe Counsel's had similar issues with

265
00:10:29,520 --> 00:10:30,520
Speaker 4: the pair on the boardwalks.

266
00:10:31,040 --> 00:10:33,280
Speaker 1: All right, I do want to ask you about the

267
00:10:33,280 --> 00:10:36,040
Speaker 1: IKAQ findings, just to move along for a moment. We

268
00:10:36,120 --> 00:10:39,320
Speaker 1: know that the IQAQ inspectors report into the allegations of

269
00:10:39,360 --> 00:10:43,440
Speaker 1: the Ikak commissioner that he had paid the allegations that

270
00:10:43,480 --> 00:10:46,240
Speaker 1: he paid his former partner twenty thousand dollars to suppress

271
00:10:46,240 --> 00:10:50,280
Speaker 1: the domestic violence allegation. They've been released and found that

272
00:10:50,280 --> 00:10:51,520
Speaker 1: that allegation.

273
00:10:52,080 --> 00:10:53,560
Speaker 2: Well, it was not true.

274
00:10:54,080 --> 00:10:57,760
Speaker 1: What do you make of these findings and where to

275
00:10:57,880 --> 00:10:58,360
Speaker 1: from here?

276
00:10:59,040 --> 00:11:02,480
Speaker 4: I think, for and foremost is distressing that we hear

277
00:11:02,520 --> 00:11:05,439
Speaker 4: the Ikak's individual health. I think we need to as

278
00:11:05,440 --> 00:11:08,800
Speaker 4: a community understand this has impacted someone both personally and professionally.

279
00:11:09,559 --> 00:11:12,800
Speaker 4: He's been inconclusive on the validity of the allegations. But

280
00:11:12,800 --> 00:11:14,600
Speaker 4: I think the one you specifically raised, he said he

281
00:11:14,640 --> 00:11:17,760
Speaker 4: wasn't able to that that is probably false or from

282
00:11:17,760 --> 00:11:19,640
Speaker 4: what he's saying, I'm happy to be corrected. I haven't

283
00:11:19,640 --> 00:11:22,360
Speaker 4: seen the full report. I think he needs to take

284
00:11:22,360 --> 00:11:24,680
Speaker 4: a period of time. We see the Deputy KA Commissioner

285
00:11:24,720 --> 00:11:27,199
Speaker 4: stepping in now and will be there indefinitely. It doesn't

286
00:11:27,280 --> 00:11:30,440
Speaker 4: change the organization and what it's there to do. It

287
00:11:30,520 --> 00:11:34,679
Speaker 4: still is there to investigate allegations of corruption or misconduct.

288
00:11:35,080 --> 00:11:37,040
Speaker 1: Do you think that this clears things up and that

289
00:11:37,520 --> 00:11:40,120
Speaker 1: the IKAK Commissioner, Michael Richard should be able to step

290
00:11:40,160 --> 00:11:43,120
Speaker 1: back into that role when he is fit to do so.

291
00:11:44,000 --> 00:11:45,880
Speaker 4: From a personal point of view, I think as long

292
00:11:45,920 --> 00:11:48,920
Speaker 4: as there is a resolution on the allegations, whether it's

293
00:11:49,000 --> 00:11:50,800
Speaker 4: this is it or whether it's with police saying we're

294
00:11:50,840 --> 00:11:53,800
Speaker 4: not investigating, there's no complaint made, then yes, I do.

295
00:11:54,160 --> 00:11:56,439
Speaker 4: But I also think that you know, he needs a

296
00:11:56,440 --> 00:11:58,719
Speaker 4: period of time and to be healthy enough to come

297
00:11:58,720 --> 00:12:01,040
Speaker 4: back in that role because it is a difficult role.

298
00:12:01,080 --> 00:12:04,120
Speaker 4: It is one where I can understand people feeling ostracized

299
00:12:04,120 --> 00:12:06,640
Speaker 4: because they are the IKAC commissioner on their own and

300
00:12:06,679 --> 00:12:08,280
Speaker 4: I think this here he just needs a period of time,

301
00:12:08,320 --> 00:12:10,280
Speaker 4: As the Inspector General has said.

302
00:12:10,400 --> 00:12:13,400
Speaker 1: A couple of listener topics that have been raised over

303
00:12:13,440 --> 00:12:15,520
Speaker 1: the last week or so. We did speak to Alexi

304
00:12:15,720 --> 00:12:19,000
Speaker 1: last week, who's god daughter had been assaulted outside allegedly

305
00:12:19,040 --> 00:12:23,400
Speaker 1: assaulted outside of Royal Darwin Hospital last week. He says

306
00:12:23,400 --> 00:12:27,560
Speaker 1: that the police have still not contacted their family around

307
00:12:27,559 --> 00:12:32,440
Speaker 1: that investigation. Minister, do you think that it is appropriate

308
00:12:32,480 --> 00:12:34,560
Speaker 1: that then that family, if it is indeed the case

309
00:12:34,600 --> 00:12:36,800
Speaker 1: that they've not been contacted for over a week since

310
00:12:36,800 --> 00:12:37,760
Speaker 1: that alleged incident.

311
00:12:37,840 --> 00:12:40,760
Speaker 4: No, it's not appropriate and they should Sorry, it's not appropriate.

312
00:12:40,800 --> 00:12:43,280
Speaker 4: They should have been contacted at the very least. As

313
00:12:43,280 --> 00:12:44,640
Speaker 4: I said to you, if I can get the get

314
00:12:44,640 --> 00:12:46,120
Speaker 4: in contact with those people, I'll follow up.

315
00:12:46,200 --> 00:12:47,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, definitely we will chase that.

316
00:12:48,040 --> 00:12:50,480
Speaker 1: I'll just let you get your breath back here. You've

317
00:12:50,520 --> 00:12:53,240
Speaker 1: got a bit of a cough over there. Just finally

318
00:12:53,280 --> 00:12:55,720
Speaker 1: this morning we know that ester Mertz is getting underway.

319
00:12:55,720 --> 00:12:57,920
Speaker 1: I believe the Chief Minister and the hot seed well

320
00:12:58,000 --> 00:13:03,640
Speaker 1: has been for around the last hour. The Independent Member

321
00:13:03,880 --> 00:13:06,880
Speaker 1: for Ara Luh and Robin Lamley, though raising some concerns

322
00:13:06,880 --> 00:13:11,600
Speaker 1: about really, I guess the you know, the well, the

323
00:13:11,679 --> 00:13:16,440
Speaker 1: validity of the whole process and whether it really is

324
00:13:16,520 --> 00:13:18,360
Speaker 1: up to the standard that it should be given the

325
00:13:18,360 --> 00:13:21,600
Speaker 1: fact that there are three former ministers who are now

326
00:13:21,640 --> 00:13:25,240
Speaker 1: on that panel and part of this process presumably able

327
00:13:25,280 --> 00:13:27,720
Speaker 1: to ask questions about portfolios that they sort of had

328
00:13:27,760 --> 00:13:30,360
Speaker 1: responsibility for up until just a short time ago.

329
00:13:30,760 --> 00:13:32,720
Speaker 4: Well where else are you going to get, rob if

330
00:13:32,760 --> 00:13:34,840
Speaker 4: the Member for Ara Luin can articulate who else they

331
00:13:34,840 --> 00:13:37,480
Speaker 4: put on the panel that they're sitting members of Parliament

332
00:13:37,640 --> 00:13:41,880
Speaker 4: the MLAs they're meant to fill the committee positions. Robin

333
00:13:41,920 --> 00:13:44,000
Speaker 4: Lamley will ask her questions. I'm sure she'll then walk

334
00:13:44,000 --> 00:13:45,680
Speaker 4: out and text them and put them on her Facebook,

335
00:13:45,880 --> 00:13:49,960
Speaker 4: as she always does, as she should. But I don't

336
00:13:50,000 --> 00:13:51,080
Speaker 4: understand the point that she's making.

337
00:13:51,120 --> 00:13:54,439
Speaker 1: For she says, the ethics and the optics around three

338
00:13:54,600 --> 00:13:57,760
Speaker 1: former government ministers scrutinizing government are appalling.

339
00:13:58,280 --> 00:14:00,720
Speaker 3: Well, that's the whole point of the Stimate's Committee.

340
00:14:00,720 --> 00:14:03,840
Speaker 4: You have government official in government officials, and you have

341
00:14:03,840 --> 00:14:07,320
Speaker 4: the opposition independence. I mean, that's always been the convention,

342
00:14:07,440 --> 00:14:09,320
Speaker 4: that's always been the rules and it's always how it

343
00:14:09,320 --> 00:14:12,240
Speaker 4: has been. I just don't understand the premise. We only

344
00:14:12,240 --> 00:14:14,680
Speaker 4: have a certain amount of members within the Legacyve Assembly,

345
00:14:14,800 --> 00:14:16,320
Speaker 4: so if they're not a minister, they have to sit

346
00:14:16,360 --> 00:14:17,400
Speaker 4: on the Estimates Committee.

347
00:14:17,400 --> 00:14:18,280
Speaker 3: That's how that works.

348
00:14:18,679 --> 00:14:21,400
Speaker 1: Well, look, you know, I can understand the point that

349
00:14:21,440 --> 00:14:24,120
Speaker 1: she's making, and she will obviously still ask plenty of

350
00:14:24,200 --> 00:14:26,880
Speaker 1: questions as as they should do, and so.

351
00:14:26,880 --> 00:14:28,280
Speaker 2: It goes for what this whole week.

352
00:14:28,200 --> 00:14:29,800
Speaker 4: Goes for this week and next week. But remember for

353
00:14:29,800 --> 00:14:32,000
Speaker 4: Ara Leun was the deputy Chief Minister. I believe she

354
00:14:32,040 --> 00:14:35,160
Speaker 4: was in a treasurer. She's held multiple portfolios for the CLP.

355
00:14:35,680 --> 00:14:38,200
Speaker 2: So but not under this current government's question.

356
00:14:38,800 --> 00:14:40,400
Speaker 4: If there's ever a change of government and is a

357
00:14:40,400 --> 00:14:43,320
Speaker 4: CLP is it then therefore not because.

358
00:14:43,040 --> 00:14:45,160
Speaker 1: You're not actually like up until a few months ago,

359
00:14:45,200 --> 00:14:47,640
Speaker 1: you've got the Chief Minister who was you know, who

360
00:14:47,720 --> 00:14:50,720
Speaker 1: was actually making decisions on those portfolios. So to then

361
00:14:50,760 --> 00:14:53,120
Speaker 1: be asking questions, they're just going to be Dorothy Dixon's

362
00:14:53,280 --> 00:14:55,720
Speaker 1: as in, you guys just be asking yourself questions that

363
00:14:56,080 --> 00:14:58,280
Speaker 1: you want good answers for, which is going to waste

364
00:14:58,320 --> 00:14:59,960
Speaker 1: time for the independence in the opposition.

365
00:15:00,080 --> 00:15:03,920
Speaker 4: The day opposition and the cross bench have every opportunity

366
00:15:03,920 --> 00:15:06,680
Speaker 4: to ask questions, and if they continue to take a

367
00:15:06,680 --> 00:15:08,640
Speaker 4: line of questioning, well then that's up to them. I mean,

368
00:15:08,680 --> 00:15:10,000
Speaker 4: at the end of the day, there is enough time

369
00:15:10,040 --> 00:15:12,640
Speaker 4: on there for the opposition cross bench to ask any questions.

370
00:15:12,360 --> 00:15:14,280
Speaker 1: They like, So you guys won't be wasting any time

371
00:15:14,320 --> 00:15:17,040
Speaker 1: with your own ministers or your own former ministers asking

372
00:15:17,080 --> 00:15:18,000
Speaker 1: you guys questions.

373
00:15:18,040 --> 00:15:20,120
Speaker 4: But also in the same context, therese questions that don't

374
00:15:20,120 --> 00:15:22,480
Speaker 4: relate to the estimates process that the opposition and cross

375
00:15:22,480 --> 00:15:25,000
Speaker 4: bench will raise just to get political points scoring, that

376
00:15:25,040 --> 00:15:27,400
Speaker 4: will have nothing to do with the budget or the

377
00:15:27,400 --> 00:15:28,880
Speaker 4: previous year's financial outcomes.

378
00:15:29,080 --> 00:15:31,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, but they have every right to ask about crime

379
00:15:31,440 --> 00:15:33,360
Speaker 1: or ask about the impact that it's had, you know.

380
00:15:33,560 --> 00:15:35,120
Speaker 4: And then arguably that is it not the same thing

381
00:15:35,160 --> 00:15:37,280
Speaker 4: that where we're doing something good at the opposition don't want.

382
00:15:37,160 --> 00:15:37,680
Speaker 3: To talk about it.

383
00:15:37,680 --> 00:15:39,840
Speaker 1: You guys got the opportunity to send out pressure releases

384
00:15:39,880 --> 00:15:42,240
Speaker 1: and you ask yourselves questions like that in parliament.

385
00:15:41,960 --> 00:15:44,880
Speaker 4: So like everyone has the opportunity to ask the questions

386
00:15:44,880 --> 00:15:46,520
Speaker 4: they want, whether it's on the floor the.

387
00:15:46,880 --> 00:15:50,080
Speaker 1: Process of estimate it's not really supposed to be in

388
00:15:50,160 --> 00:15:52,720
Speaker 1: place for the opposition and the independence to get to

389
00:15:52,760 --> 00:15:54,760
Speaker 1: the bottom of your spending and to get to the

390
00:15:54,800 --> 00:15:56,880
Speaker 1: bottom of the issues that territory ands care about.

391
00:15:56,960 --> 00:15:58,720
Speaker 4: What it's meant to be a bipartisan cross bench. That's

392
00:15:58,720 --> 00:16:01,080
Speaker 4: how it works in any est processed, whether in any

393
00:16:01,160 --> 00:16:03,480
Speaker 4: jurisdiction that it is made up of people to question

394
00:16:03,520 --> 00:16:04,760
Speaker 4: the budget process.

395
00:16:04,640 --> 00:16:06,800
Speaker 3: They'll get that opportunity, as Robin Lanley will.

396
00:16:06,920 --> 00:16:09,160
Speaker 1: You're not concerned that your ministers are going to waste

397
00:16:09,200 --> 00:16:12,160
Speaker 1: any time or really, to put it really bluntly, take

398
00:16:12,160 --> 00:16:12,920
Speaker 1: the piece now and.

399
00:16:12,880 --> 00:16:14,680
Speaker 4: I'm one of those ministers that's going to sit down there,

400
00:16:14,800 --> 00:16:17,120
Speaker 4: arguably with the most important portfolio of the territory at

401
00:16:17,160 --> 00:16:19,440
Speaker 4: the moment, and I'll answer questions that have put before me.

402
00:16:19,680 --> 00:16:22,320
Speaker 4: But also those questions have to be relevant to my

403
00:16:22,440 --> 00:16:26,120
Speaker 4: portfolios and ultimately to the budget process that we're going through.

404
00:16:26,200 --> 00:16:28,520
Speaker 1: But that's not up to you to determine whether the

405
00:16:28,520 --> 00:16:31,800
Speaker 1: opposition or the independence questions are appropriate.

406
00:16:31,960 --> 00:16:33,840
Speaker 4: You're right, but it's in line with the format of

407
00:16:33,880 --> 00:16:35,920
Speaker 4: how so that there is rules to how the process goes.

408
00:16:35,960 --> 00:16:38,440
Speaker 1: So that is something that those former ministers then will

409
00:16:38,480 --> 00:16:41,600
Speaker 1: be determining. Sure, absolutely, can you see how can you

410
00:16:41,640 --> 00:16:42,800
Speaker 1: see the concern.

411
00:16:42,600 --> 00:16:45,440
Speaker 4: But again that she can their standing orders to allow

412
00:16:45,440 --> 00:16:46,840
Speaker 4: them to go. Know, the question meets the form like

413
00:16:46,880 --> 00:16:48,440
Speaker 4: we're arguing semantics. To my point is they will have

414
00:16:48,480 --> 00:16:50,560
Speaker 4: every chance to ask the questions they want when I'm

415
00:16:50,560 --> 00:16:52,480
Speaker 4: sitting there or the Chief right now, all right, we

416
00:16:52,560 --> 00:16:53,200
Speaker 4: better leave.

417
00:16:53,040 --> 00:16:57,680
Speaker 1: It the Minister for Major Events Police, various portfolios. Brent Potter,

418
00:16:57,720 --> 00:16:59,320
Speaker 1: appreciate your time. We'll talk to you again soon.

419
00:16:59,360 --> 00:17:00,400
Speaker 2: Thanks, Gattie and Kirk