1 00:00:02,120 --> 00:00:05,200 Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to Outspoken. It's your dose of the 2 00:00:05,280 --> 00:00:08,960 Speaker 1: hottest influencer and pop culture news twice a week. I'm 3 00:00:09,000 --> 00:00:12,920 Speaker 1: Sophie Torber and coming up on today's show, Mattzakowski says 4 00:00:12,960 --> 00:00:16,200 Speaker 1: he felt dead inside leading into his wedding to Tammy Hembro. 5 00:00:16,680 --> 00:00:20,280 Speaker 1: Millennials rejoice as Hillary Duff announces her return to music 6 00:00:20,680 --> 00:00:24,279 Speaker 1: and Nikki Wescott's baby news. But first, Kate, I have 7 00:00:24,360 --> 00:00:27,319 Speaker 1: to cool you out because in last week's episode, you 8 00:00:27,440 --> 00:00:31,080 Speaker 1: dared to question whether Olivia Rodgers' boyfriend Hugo was telling 9 00:00:31,080 --> 00:00:33,519 Speaker 1: white lives. I'm glad you've brought this up because I 10 00:00:33,560 --> 00:00:35,239 Speaker 1: want to put on the record I was wrong. You 11 00:00:35,400 --> 00:00:37,120 Speaker 1: just often admit that you're wrong. Yeah, it's difficult for 12 00:00:37,159 --> 00:00:38,639 Speaker 1: me to say that, but I received quite a few 13 00:00:38,640 --> 00:00:42,680 Speaker 1: messages saying hang on, no, Hugo was correct. So I 14 00:00:42,920 --> 00:00:46,400 Speaker 1: suggested that potentially he was pretending like he didn't know 15 00:00:46,479 --> 00:00:49,720 Speaker 1: who Olivia Rodgers was, because he said that they met 16 00:00:49,720 --> 00:00:52,920 Speaker 1: out and he thought she was just this beautiful speech pathologist, 17 00:00:53,120 --> 00:00:56,080 Speaker 1: and she put her number into his phone, and he 18 00:00:56,120 --> 00:01:00,279 Speaker 1: claims that the phone populated all her contact details, her 19 00:01:00,320 --> 00:01:03,120 Speaker 1: full name, and that's how he discovered she was the 20 00:01:03,360 --> 00:01:07,320 Speaker 1: Olivia Rodgers I called bullshit, and that's because I had 21 00:01:07,400 --> 00:01:11,199 Speaker 1: typed the scenario into chat GPT and said, is this true? 22 00:01:11,240 --> 00:01:13,119 Speaker 2: Like, can this actually happen? This is your issue, Kate. 23 00:01:13,120 --> 00:01:15,679 Speaker 1: You were typing everything into chat GPT, so this should 24 00:01:15,680 --> 00:01:17,959 Speaker 1: be a lesson for you. When I was listening to it, 25 00:01:18,040 --> 00:01:19,600 Speaker 1: I was screaming at you guys, because I'm like, this 26 00:01:19,640 --> 00:01:22,240 Speaker 1: has happened to me. A random message will come up 27 00:01:22,240 --> 00:01:25,479 Speaker 1: and it will put in brackets, could be this person. Yeah, 28 00:01:25,480 --> 00:01:27,720 Speaker 1: but I always thought that was because you had their 29 00:01:27,760 --> 00:01:31,560 Speaker 1: detail safe somewhere on your phone or on your computer. Well, 30 00:01:31,760 --> 00:01:34,360 Speaker 1: I think that you should apologize to mister Olivia Rodgers 31 00:01:34,440 --> 00:01:36,520 Speaker 1: because I was quite taken with him in that interview. 32 00:01:36,600 --> 00:01:39,440 Speaker 2: He sounded like a lovely guy. I was glued to 33 00:01:39,520 --> 00:01:42,319 Speaker 2: that look. I am sorry, mister Olivia Rodgers. 34 00:01:42,440 --> 00:01:44,520 Speaker 1: It seems like you were correct that you didn't know 35 00:01:44,560 --> 00:01:47,440 Speaker 1: who Olivia was, despite living in Melbourne and her making 36 00:01:47,520 --> 00:01:48,600 Speaker 1: front page news. 37 00:01:48,320 --> 00:01:49,559 Speaker 2: When she broke up with her husband. 38 00:01:49,560 --> 00:01:51,040 Speaker 1: I kind of liked that he didn't really know who 39 00:01:51,080 --> 00:01:53,680 Speaker 1: she was. I think that makes their story quite cute. 40 00:01:53,960 --> 00:01:57,240 Speaker 1: He seemed to receive quite a good response from her followers. 41 00:01:57,240 --> 00:01:59,360 Speaker 1: I saw on TikTok, people were saying that they were 42 00:01:59,400 --> 00:02:03,160 Speaker 1: just smiling listening to the interview. Someone who hasn't received 43 00:02:03,200 --> 00:02:07,800 Speaker 1: such a glowing rap is Olivia Rodgers's ex husband Justin mckeann. Now, 44 00:02:07,840 --> 00:02:10,519 Speaker 1: over the weekend, he was set to celebrate his first 45 00:02:10,520 --> 00:02:13,280 Speaker 1: Father's Day. So back in May, he and his partner 46 00:02:13,320 --> 00:02:16,960 Speaker 1: at the time, former Bachelor contestant Tany Leeson, welcomed a 47 00:02:17,000 --> 00:02:19,560 Speaker 1: baby boy called Arlo, and from the get go it 48 00:02:19,600 --> 00:02:22,840 Speaker 1: seemed like things were off between Tarny and Justin. He 49 00:02:22,840 --> 00:02:26,120 Speaker 1: didn't appear in any of the announcement photos, he wasn't mentioned, 50 00:02:26,160 --> 00:02:28,600 Speaker 1: he didn't like or comment on the post. This is 51 00:02:28,680 --> 00:02:33,000 Speaker 1: despite the couple releasing this very curated pregnancy announcement, which 52 00:02:33,040 --> 00:02:37,239 Speaker 1: ended up being splashed all over the news. So, as 53 00:02:37,240 --> 00:02:40,680 Speaker 1: you say, Kate, it wasn't particularly surprising when Tanni decided 54 00:02:40,720 --> 00:02:43,200 Speaker 1: to throw some shade at him on Sunday, so she 55 00:02:43,360 --> 00:02:46,600 Speaker 1: uploaded an Instagram story where she was cuddling her son, 56 00:02:46,760 --> 00:02:49,440 Speaker 1: Arlo on the couch, and she captured the photo. I 57 00:02:49,520 --> 00:02:51,880 Speaker 1: know some incredible dads and I hope they each have 58 00:02:51,960 --> 00:02:54,920 Speaker 1: a beautiful day today. Although happy Father's Day to all 59 00:02:54,919 --> 00:02:55,960 Speaker 1: the mummers out there. 60 00:02:56,000 --> 00:02:58,440 Speaker 2: Doing both. Yeah, I feel really sorry for her. 61 00:02:59,120 --> 00:03:01,560 Speaker 1: I just had a bad feeling ever since she put 62 00:03:01,639 --> 00:03:04,840 Speaker 1: him front and center in her pregnancy announcement because the 63 00:03:04,840 --> 00:03:07,360 Speaker 1: news came off the back of him being accused of 64 00:03:07,360 --> 00:03:11,000 Speaker 1: stealing almost half a million dollars from his former employer. Yeah, 65 00:03:11,040 --> 00:03:13,919 Speaker 1: and also there'd been rumors that the couple hadn't been 66 00:03:13,960 --> 00:03:16,720 Speaker 1: together for quite some time. They seem to have split 67 00:03:16,760 --> 00:03:20,840 Speaker 1: several months earlier because Justin kept getting spotted on dating apps. 68 00:03:20,840 --> 00:03:22,960 Speaker 1: I know so many people slid into our dms being like, 69 00:03:23,000 --> 00:03:23,760 Speaker 1: oh my god, I've. 70 00:03:23,600 --> 00:03:24,399 Speaker 2: Just matched with him. 71 00:03:24,600 --> 00:03:27,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, Sophie, there was another thing that we failed to 72 00:03:27,800 --> 00:03:30,600 Speaker 1: mention on last week's episode when we spoke about Olivia 73 00:03:30,800 --> 00:03:33,840 Speaker 1: and Hugo. I was literally screaming at the podcast because 74 00:03:34,400 --> 00:03:37,640 Speaker 1: you guys failed to mention that Hugo was clearly trying 75 00:03:37,680 --> 00:03:40,880 Speaker 1: to take a shot at Justin because when he was 76 00:03:40,920 --> 00:03:43,120 Speaker 1: talking about his own mental health, which I thought was 77 00:03:43,160 --> 00:03:46,760 Speaker 1: incredibly brave and telling that story about his father, Hugo 78 00:03:46,840 --> 00:03:49,520 Speaker 1: said that he'd never ever taken drugs before and it 79 00:03:49,560 --> 00:03:52,880 Speaker 1: was something that he was very proud of. And obviously, 80 00:03:52,920 --> 00:03:55,720 Speaker 1: as you said, with everything coming out about Justin and 81 00:03:55,760 --> 00:03:59,000 Speaker 1: his history with drug abuse. I thought, surely this is 82 00:03:59,000 --> 00:04:01,160 Speaker 1: in reference to him. Look, I did pick up on 83 00:04:01,200 --> 00:04:02,600 Speaker 1: it at the time, but there was just so much 84 00:04:02,640 --> 00:04:04,640 Speaker 1: to unpack with that interview. I didn't want to bring 85 00:04:04,680 --> 00:04:07,040 Speaker 1: too much about Justin up. Do you think because he 86 00:04:07,320 --> 00:04:09,640 Speaker 1: Hugo and Justin look very similar, I can't help but 87 00:04:09,680 --> 00:04:11,760 Speaker 1: feel like they're almost twins. Do you think that Hugo's 88 00:04:11,760 --> 00:04:14,040 Speaker 1: almost trying to distance himself from Justin He doesn't want 89 00:04:14,040 --> 00:04:16,800 Speaker 1: to any confusion about which one he is, potentially, I mean, 90 00:04:16,839 --> 00:04:18,120 Speaker 1: they do look so similar. 91 00:04:18,200 --> 00:04:18,919 Speaker 2: She clearly has a. 92 00:04:18,960 --> 00:04:21,880 Speaker 1: Type, and he's got such a professional background as well. 93 00:04:21,920 --> 00:04:23,840 Speaker 1: I was so sad not to be involved in last 94 00:04:23,880 --> 00:04:26,160 Speaker 1: week's episode. I had to bring the whole Hugo thing 95 00:04:26,240 --> 00:04:29,120 Speaker 1: up again. Well, Justin also had a very professional background. 96 00:04:29,160 --> 00:04:31,679 Speaker 1: He was CFO at the time he was fired. 97 00:04:33,120 --> 00:04:37,680 Speaker 3: I've learned now that chaos does not mean excitement, does 98 00:04:37,720 --> 00:04:43,359 Speaker 3: not mean enjoyment. It's like unforseen chaos, or like made 99 00:04:43,440 --> 00:04:46,640 Speaker 3: up chaos. Isn't isn't good for you. 100 00:04:47,920 --> 00:04:50,719 Speaker 1: Matt Sakowski has given an insight into how he was 101 00:04:50,800 --> 00:04:54,279 Speaker 1: really feeling months before his wedding to Tammy Hembro, The 102 00:04:54,320 --> 00:04:57,120 Speaker 1: former Love Irelander, revealed on the latest episode of his 103 00:04:57,200 --> 00:05:00,240 Speaker 1: podcast that he had recently been triggered back to a 104 00:05:00,360 --> 00:05:03,600 Speaker 1: dark place after driving past his shop he hadn't visited 105 00:05:03,600 --> 00:05:05,479 Speaker 1: for a while. Okay, yeah, So it turns out it 106 00:05:05,520 --> 00:05:07,920 Speaker 1: had almost been a year to the day Matt had 107 00:05:07,960 --> 00:05:11,400 Speaker 1: been at this undisclosed shop and the visit was so 108 00:05:11,520 --> 00:05:14,080 Speaker 1: memorable because he made a phone call to a friend 109 00:05:14,160 --> 00:05:16,880 Speaker 1: about something big that was going on in his life 110 00:05:16,920 --> 00:05:19,080 Speaker 1: at the time, and Matt said on his podcast that 111 00:05:19,120 --> 00:05:21,640 Speaker 1: it made him realize that he's a completely different person 112 00:05:21,680 --> 00:05:22,360 Speaker 1: than he was. 113 00:05:22,360 --> 00:05:22,960 Speaker 2: A year ago. 114 00:05:23,279 --> 00:05:26,320 Speaker 1: Let's take a listen to some of what he said, Like. 115 00:05:26,320 --> 00:05:28,840 Speaker 3: To think about how I felt. And I even put 116 00:05:28,880 --> 00:05:32,679 Speaker 3: myself in the shoes of me standing in that shop, 117 00:05:32,720 --> 00:05:38,080 Speaker 3: and I got that overwhelming feeling of that pitted feeling. 118 00:05:38,120 --> 00:05:40,760 Speaker 3: My stomach went into notts and I could feel myself 119 00:05:40,839 --> 00:05:44,000 Speaker 3: like closing up again, and I got I actually got emotional. 120 00:05:44,000 --> 00:05:47,200 Speaker 3: I started crying in the car for myself. And it's 121 00:05:47,240 --> 00:05:49,719 Speaker 3: funny because that person now I'm not that person anymore, 122 00:05:49,800 --> 00:05:53,240 Speaker 3: but I cried for him and how he felt and 123 00:05:53,279 --> 00:05:55,240 Speaker 3: how helpless he felt in that moment. 124 00:05:56,800 --> 00:05:59,039 Speaker 2: I couldn't help but feel for Matt in that moment. 125 00:05:59,040 --> 00:06:01,200 Speaker 1: He seems to be quite touch with his feelings, and 126 00:06:01,480 --> 00:06:04,640 Speaker 1: it is really interesting to hear an insight into how 127 00:06:04,640 --> 00:06:06,440 Speaker 1: he was feeling a year ago, because when you look 128 00:06:06,480 --> 00:06:08,960 Speaker 1: at social media, it seemed to be all happy, smiles 129 00:06:09,000 --> 00:06:12,200 Speaker 1: and fun times they were planning their wedding together. This 130 00:06:12,279 --> 00:06:15,400 Speaker 1: of course comes off the back of him recently saying 131 00:06:15,400 --> 00:06:17,640 Speaker 1: that he is going to be opening up about. 132 00:06:17,320 --> 00:06:19,440 Speaker 2: His journey with his divorce journey. 133 00:06:19,520 --> 00:06:20,839 Speaker 1: Yeah, and it was a bit of a backflip for 134 00:06:20,880 --> 00:06:24,040 Speaker 1: Matt because originally, when he revealed he was getting a divorce, 135 00:06:24,080 --> 00:06:26,640 Speaker 1: he said that he wouldn't be speaking about it. Of course, 136 00:06:26,680 --> 00:06:29,320 Speaker 1: Tammy has then come out and said quite a bit. 137 00:06:29,279 --> 00:06:31,800 Speaker 2: So and also launched a new relationship. 138 00:06:32,560 --> 00:06:32,720 Speaker 3: Now. 139 00:06:32,760 --> 00:06:35,080 Speaker 1: The episode Matt shared his story on was one actually 140 00:06:35,080 --> 00:06:38,159 Speaker 1: dedicated to are You Okay Day, and Matt's co host 141 00:06:38,200 --> 00:06:40,440 Speaker 1: Anna macavoy made a point to ask him how he 142 00:06:40,520 --> 00:06:41,720 Speaker 1: was and this is what he said. 143 00:06:43,000 --> 00:06:46,400 Speaker 2: Okay, Matt, I have a question for you. Yep, Are 144 00:06:46,400 --> 00:06:49,360 Speaker 2: you okay? Seriously? Are you okay? 145 00:06:50,800 --> 00:06:55,320 Speaker 3: Yes? I would like to say that I actually am okay. 146 00:06:55,760 --> 00:06:58,560 Speaker 3: Like I've noticed, and a lot of people around me 147 00:06:58,600 --> 00:07:02,840 Speaker 3: have noticed how much I not my mood, but like 148 00:07:03,000 --> 00:07:06,479 Speaker 3: how much I have changed and we were listening to 149 00:07:06,600 --> 00:07:10,360 Speaker 3: old episodes from like a year ago and listening to 150 00:07:10,400 --> 00:07:13,360 Speaker 3: myself now to a year ago, I was like dead inside, 151 00:07:13,840 --> 00:07:16,840 Speaker 3: Like I'm a completely different person. My mates have pointed 152 00:07:16,840 --> 00:07:19,840 Speaker 3: that out to me, that like, I'm completely different now, 153 00:07:20,200 --> 00:07:23,080 Speaker 3: Like I don't have to have you note just my personality. 154 00:07:23,160 --> 00:07:27,200 Speaker 3: I can be myself again. I can like I'm more happy, lighter, Yeah, light, 155 00:07:27,320 --> 00:07:27,880 Speaker 3: I feel like. 156 00:07:29,120 --> 00:07:31,360 Speaker 1: Wow, that's a pretty big statement to make, that you 157 00:07:31,400 --> 00:07:34,800 Speaker 1: felt dead inside. It's a massive statement to make, particularly because, 158 00:07:35,040 --> 00:07:37,600 Speaker 1: as you mentioned previously, this was a couple of months 159 00:07:37,640 --> 00:07:39,800 Speaker 1: out from their wedding, Like he got married on the 160 00:07:39,840 --> 00:07:42,240 Speaker 1: twenty third of November. It's crazy that's coming up to 161 00:07:42,280 --> 00:07:45,400 Speaker 1: a year ago. Reflecting on the past year, he also 162 00:07:45,480 --> 00:07:48,000 Speaker 1: admitted that he hit rock bottom and he struggled to 163 00:07:48,040 --> 00:07:50,240 Speaker 1: get out of bed, but that he's in a much 164 00:07:50,280 --> 00:07:52,720 Speaker 1: better place now. He also said one of the main 165 00:07:52,800 --> 00:07:54,840 Speaker 1: things that got him through the last year of his 166 00:07:54,880 --> 00:07:58,440 Speaker 1: life with his friends and his family. He then made 167 00:07:58,480 --> 00:08:01,240 Speaker 1: a jab at Tammy, saying I've learnt now that chaos 168 00:08:01,360 --> 00:08:05,800 Speaker 1: does not mean excitement, does not mean enjoyment. Unforeseen chaos 169 00:08:05,840 --> 00:08:08,240 Speaker 1: or made up chaos isn't good for you, and I 170 00:08:08,280 --> 00:08:10,560 Speaker 1: stay away from that now. When I heard that, I 171 00:08:10,600 --> 00:08:13,240 Speaker 1: was like, okay, So, reading between the lines, it seems 172 00:08:13,240 --> 00:08:17,520 Speaker 1: like he's trying to say that Tammy invented arguments and 173 00:08:17,640 --> 00:08:20,920 Speaker 1: invented this sort of chaotic nature to their relationship where 174 00:08:20,920 --> 00:08:24,200 Speaker 1: they were always on and off, unfollowing each other, refollowing 175 00:08:24,240 --> 00:08:26,280 Speaker 1: each other. And I sort of feel like now that 176 00:08:26,360 --> 00:08:28,640 Speaker 1: she's with Bailey Smith, it's played up quite well for 177 00:08:28,720 --> 00:08:31,960 Speaker 1: Matt because people are starting to question is she the problem? 178 00:08:32,280 --> 00:08:34,320 Speaker 1: Was she the one wanting to rush into things? Because 179 00:08:34,480 --> 00:08:37,640 Speaker 1: she has rushed into this new relationship very quickly after 180 00:08:37,679 --> 00:08:40,680 Speaker 1: her divorce. That being said, I feel like Bailey Smith's 181 00:08:40,679 --> 00:08:42,960 Speaker 1: a bit of fun. He's a rebound. Yeah, to stick 182 00:08:43,040 --> 00:08:45,720 Speaker 1: up for Tammy here she can date whoever she wants 183 00:08:45,760 --> 00:08:48,400 Speaker 1: in whatever timeframe she wants. I mean, it appears that 184 00:08:48,480 --> 00:08:51,480 Speaker 1: this relationship was dead in the water months and months 185 00:08:51,520 --> 00:08:53,560 Speaker 1: before they actually announced it. So don't you think it's 186 00:08:53,600 --> 00:08:54,800 Speaker 1: kind of played out well for Matt? 187 00:08:55,200 --> 00:08:55,360 Speaker 3: Oh? 188 00:08:55,440 --> 00:08:57,080 Speaker 1: I think from that sense, it's played out well, and 189 00:08:57,240 --> 00:08:59,280 Speaker 1: he's in a good position now to talk about it, 190 00:08:59,320 --> 00:09:01,280 Speaker 1: and I think think he's doing it really well. He's 191 00:09:01,280 --> 00:09:03,880 Speaker 1: planning a few seeds here and there without actually making 192 00:09:03,960 --> 00:09:07,360 Speaker 1: himself look bad. When I was listening to the podcast, 193 00:09:07,640 --> 00:09:09,959 Speaker 1: all I could think about was what actually happened to 194 00:09:10,040 --> 00:09:13,360 Speaker 1: him this time last year to elicit such a huge response. 195 00:09:14,000 --> 00:09:17,560 Speaker 1: And it could have been something to do with Tammy's 196 00:09:17,600 --> 00:09:20,800 Speaker 1: sisters Amy and Emily appearing on Matt's podcast. 197 00:09:20,880 --> 00:09:21,360 Speaker 2: Now, we have. 198 00:09:21,400 --> 00:09:24,679 Speaker 1: Spoken about that episode quite a number of times, but 199 00:09:24,720 --> 00:09:27,400 Speaker 1: for those of you who were new listeners, Amy and 200 00:09:27,480 --> 00:09:31,240 Speaker 1: Emily made it very clear that they didn't like Matt. 201 00:09:31,240 --> 00:09:33,640 Speaker 1: I'd even go as far as saying that they hated Matt, 202 00:09:33,960 --> 00:09:37,280 Speaker 1: and they even called him an immature baby and publicly 203 00:09:37,320 --> 00:09:41,160 Speaker 1: flagged their concerns with the relationship. Now, that episode was 204 00:09:41,280 --> 00:09:44,240 Speaker 1: released on the twenty fifth of September, but it was 205 00:09:44,400 --> 00:09:46,640 Speaker 1: likely pre recorded as they had to fly over to 206 00:09:46,640 --> 00:09:49,120 Speaker 1: do it, so it could be plausible that a fight 207 00:09:49,320 --> 00:09:52,480 Speaker 1: erupted over that interview, and that's what he's referring to. Yeah, 208 00:09:52,520 --> 00:09:54,800 Speaker 1: I mean, it's interesting that we finally have confirmation that 209 00:09:54,840 --> 00:09:57,000 Speaker 1: things weren't good before the wedding. I mean we kind 210 00:09:57,000 --> 00:09:59,400 Speaker 1: of already knew that with the couple unfollowing each other 211 00:09:59,440 --> 00:10:02,439 Speaker 1: and refollowing each other right before the Hucks parties. Yeah, 212 00:10:02,480 --> 00:10:05,160 Speaker 1: I mean, there was talking about the joint Bucks and Hens. 213 00:10:05,200 --> 00:10:08,120 Speaker 1: There was so much drama around that people speculated that 214 00:10:08,160 --> 00:10:11,520 Speaker 1: they were fighting because of a prenup. And then, of 215 00:10:11,559 --> 00:10:15,040 Speaker 1: course we also had Megan Pisetto doing an expose on 216 00:10:15,160 --> 00:10:18,160 Speaker 1: Matt just weeks out from the wedding, so clearly it 217 00:10:18,240 --> 00:10:20,600 Speaker 1: was a really difficult time for both Matt and Tammy 218 00:10:20,640 --> 00:10:22,400 Speaker 1: and it seems like they've just never been able to 219 00:10:22,400 --> 00:10:25,520 Speaker 1: recover their relationship since then. Why is Matt kind of 220 00:10:25,520 --> 00:10:27,280 Speaker 1: growing on me a little bit? He seems to have 221 00:10:27,360 --> 00:10:30,959 Speaker 1: this Golden Retriever energy. I don't know why it's working 222 00:10:31,000 --> 00:10:33,319 Speaker 1: on me, guess because you always root for the underdog, 223 00:10:33,360 --> 00:10:36,120 Speaker 1: and in this situation, it's like it'd be really difficult 224 00:10:36,200 --> 00:10:39,559 Speaker 1: to see your ex wife move on with the most 225 00:10:39,600 --> 00:10:41,319 Speaker 1: eligible bachelor in Australia. 226 00:10:41,520 --> 00:10:42,080 Speaker 2: I think all his. 227 00:10:42,080 --> 00:10:44,520 Speaker 1: Little posts about his movie reviews and him with his 228 00:10:44,600 --> 00:10:47,160 Speaker 1: Golden Retriever, it kind of breaks my heart because you 229 00:10:47,400 --> 00:10:50,520 Speaker 1: do forget that these people are real people with real 230 00:10:50,559 --> 00:10:52,920 Speaker 1: emotions like that would have been such a whirlwind for 231 00:10:53,000 --> 00:10:56,120 Speaker 1: him going into this the world of Tammy Hembro and 232 00:10:56,160 --> 00:10:58,760 Speaker 1: then sort of being spat out of it. It's also 233 00:10:58,800 --> 00:11:01,000 Speaker 1: interesting that he said he listened back to his podcast 234 00:11:01,000 --> 00:11:03,000 Speaker 1: and he didn't sort of recognize himself and he was 235 00:11:03,040 --> 00:11:06,520 Speaker 1: such a different person because I've noticed more recently that 236 00:11:06,600 --> 00:11:09,800 Speaker 1: he comes across as a lot more likable and funny 237 00:11:09,840 --> 00:11:12,120 Speaker 1: and carefree, and I quite liked him. When he first 238 00:11:12,120 --> 00:11:14,920 Speaker 1: released his podcast, he seemed to have be a bit 239 00:11:15,000 --> 00:11:17,880 Speaker 1: joking and quite funny, and yeah, he did seem to 240 00:11:17,880 --> 00:11:20,760 Speaker 1: be quite a different person during that relationship. Just to 241 00:11:20,880 --> 00:11:22,440 Speaker 1: keep it even, I think we should give a little 242 00:11:22,440 --> 00:11:25,560 Speaker 1: bit of an update on Tammy hembro So. Her romance 243 00:11:25,600 --> 00:11:28,200 Speaker 1: with Bailey Smith has even caught the attention of the 244 00:11:28,240 --> 00:11:32,080 Speaker 1: big boss of the AFL SO the league CEO Andrew Dillon, 245 00:11:32,240 --> 00:11:35,040 Speaker 1: was speaking at a dinner function at the mcg last 246 00:11:35,040 --> 00:11:39,080 Speaker 1: Friday night when Geelong took on Brisbane and he name 247 00:11:39,160 --> 00:11:42,760 Speaker 1: dropped Tammy in his speech. So he said, this year 248 00:11:42,800 --> 00:11:45,520 Speaker 1: the Cats added Bailey Smith to the mix. Last week 249 00:11:45,559 --> 00:11:47,880 Speaker 1: he claimed All Australian for the first time and the 250 00:11:47,960 --> 00:11:50,719 Speaker 1: joint Coaches Champion Player of the Year. When I went 251 00:11:50,760 --> 00:11:53,040 Speaker 1: down to visit Bailey earlier this year, there was a 252 00:11:53,040 --> 00:11:55,920 Speaker 1: little bit of speculation what do we actually chat about? 253 00:11:56,240 --> 00:11:57,920 Speaker 1: In the end, I was really just there to give 254 00:11:58,000 --> 00:12:01,000 Speaker 1: him relationship advice and by what I've been reading recently. 255 00:12:01,080 --> 00:12:03,240 Speaker 1: I think it worked better than we thought it might have. 256 00:12:03,720 --> 00:12:05,640 Speaker 1: And to the buoyant people that asked me on the 257 00:12:05,640 --> 00:12:08,520 Speaker 1: way into the room, is Tammy here? No, she's not, 258 00:12:08,760 --> 00:12:10,320 Speaker 1: but we do have his parents. 259 00:12:11,200 --> 00:12:11,760 Speaker 2: I feel like. 260 00:12:11,760 --> 00:12:14,959 Speaker 1: This is all leading up to Tammy being at the Brownlow, 261 00:12:15,000 --> 00:12:17,840 Speaker 1: because if you're Bailey, would you not be pissed off 262 00:12:17,920 --> 00:12:19,960 Speaker 1: that DC of the AFL. 263 00:12:19,559 --> 00:12:21,000 Speaker 2: Is mentioning some fling you're having. 264 00:12:21,120 --> 00:12:23,520 Speaker 1: Well. I think the AFL's marketing team have clearly had 265 00:12:23,559 --> 00:12:27,200 Speaker 1: a strategy meeting around this and thought, Okay, look at 266 00:12:27,200 --> 00:12:30,240 Speaker 1: the effect Taylor Swift and Travis Kelsey dating has had 267 00:12:30,280 --> 00:12:33,520 Speaker 1: on the NFL. Yeah, so they would say to him, hey, mate, 268 00:12:33,520 --> 00:12:35,360 Speaker 1: could you please bring her along to the Brownlow? We 269 00:12:35,400 --> 00:12:37,960 Speaker 1: need her there because I feel like people aren't as 270 00:12:38,000 --> 00:12:40,360 Speaker 1: interested in the Brownlow as they once were. Yeah. But 271 00:12:40,559 --> 00:12:42,760 Speaker 1: he's not the type of person that would go, oh, yeah, sure, 272 00:12:42,800 --> 00:12:45,480 Speaker 1: I'll bring her along. I mean, he's quite a divisive 273 00:12:45,520 --> 00:12:47,960 Speaker 1: figure in the AFL. He's happy to say. 274 00:12:47,800 --> 00:12:49,320 Speaker 2: When things are annoying him. 275 00:12:49,360 --> 00:12:52,480 Speaker 1: I mean, just this week he's made headlines because at 276 00:12:52,520 --> 00:12:55,520 Speaker 1: Geelong's open training session where all of the media are 277 00:12:55,559 --> 00:12:59,640 Speaker 1: invited to, he has allegedly abused a female photographer who 278 00:12:59,679 --> 00:13:00,920 Speaker 1: was taking a photo of him. 279 00:13:01,200 --> 00:13:02,240 Speaker 2: There's a photo of him. 280 00:13:02,080 --> 00:13:04,240 Speaker 1: Giving her the finger, which I've seen splashed all over 281 00:13:04,320 --> 00:13:07,880 Speaker 1: social media. He's been known to do that to opposition 282 00:13:08,000 --> 00:13:11,280 Speaker 1: crowds as well. It seems to be his go to Yeah. Well, 283 00:13:11,320 --> 00:13:15,000 Speaker 1: according to the photographer Alison Wind, he verbally abused her 284 00:13:15,080 --> 00:13:17,360 Speaker 1: and when she told him she was just doing her job, 285 00:13:17,520 --> 00:13:20,120 Speaker 1: Bailey reportedly said back to her, you're doing an effing 286 00:13:20,240 --> 00:13:23,200 Speaker 1: shit job. I just think that that reaction was totally 287 00:13:23,320 --> 00:13:26,760 Speaker 1: uncalled for. The photographer was just doing her job. The 288 00:13:26,800 --> 00:13:29,840 Speaker 1: media are invited into those training sessions. I could understand 289 00:13:29,880 --> 00:13:32,760 Speaker 1: maybe if he abused a photographer like someone from the 290 00:13:32,800 --> 00:13:35,440 Speaker 1: paparazzi who was following him around him and tammy, but 291 00:13:35,480 --> 00:13:37,840 Speaker 1: this just seemed pretty unfair and maybe a bit of 292 00:13:37,880 --> 00:13:38,840 Speaker 1: misplaced aggression. 293 00:13:39,000 --> 00:13:39,200 Speaker 2: Yeah. 294 00:13:39,200 --> 00:13:41,560 Speaker 1: Well, the photographer ended up speaking to the age and 295 00:13:41,600 --> 00:13:44,040 Speaker 1: she said she thought it was a completely unwarranted reaction, 296 00:13:44,120 --> 00:13:46,800 Speaker 1: particularly because she had just photographed Mitch Duncan on the 297 00:13:46,800 --> 00:13:50,640 Speaker 1: same massage table that she was photographing Bailey on and 298 00:13:50,679 --> 00:13:52,880 Speaker 1: she said, I photographed him, And then he said it 299 00:13:52,920 --> 00:13:54,880 Speaker 1: was a breach of his privacy, that I was trying 300 00:13:54,880 --> 00:13:56,920 Speaker 1: to bait him, which is incorrect. It wasn't as if 301 00:13:56,920 --> 00:13:59,000 Speaker 1: I was photographing him with his girlfriend. It was an 302 00:13:59,000 --> 00:14:02,880 Speaker 1: open mediate. It'll be interesting to see how this relationship 303 00:14:02,960 --> 00:14:06,640 Speaker 1: pans out with Tammy Hembrow, because if it is to continue, 304 00:14:06,679 --> 00:14:10,880 Speaker 1: he's only going to get more intense media scrutiny. I'm 305 00:14:10,960 --> 00:14:13,720 Speaker 1: Hillary Duff and I have some very exciting news to 306 00:14:13,760 --> 00:14:18,080 Speaker 1: share with you. This is definitely what dreams are made of. 307 00:14:18,280 --> 00:14:21,400 Speaker 1: My sixteen year old self is dying inside with the 308 00:14:21,400 --> 00:14:24,680 Speaker 1: news that Hillary Duff is making a return to music. 309 00:14:25,000 --> 00:14:28,640 Speaker 1: The Naughty's Pop princess made the announcement on Instagram, sharing 310 00:14:28,640 --> 00:14:31,360 Speaker 1: a photo of herself in the recording studio with the 311 00:14:31,400 --> 00:14:32,520 Speaker 1: caption new. 312 00:14:32,560 --> 00:14:34,800 Speaker 2: Music or something. I could not believe when. 313 00:14:34,720 --> 00:14:36,720 Speaker 1: I woke up to this news because it was only 314 00:14:36,840 --> 00:14:39,280 Speaker 1: over the weekend that I was thinking, how cool would 315 00:14:39,280 --> 00:14:41,760 Speaker 1: it be if Hillary Duff tour it again? Because I've 316 00:14:41,760 --> 00:14:45,880 Speaker 1: been seeing Jesse McCartney popping up on TikTok performing at 317 00:14:45,880 --> 00:14:48,400 Speaker 1: these different events, and I mean Jesse McCartney. That was 318 00:14:48,440 --> 00:14:50,440 Speaker 1: the first concert I ever went to, bar the Australian 319 00:14:50,520 --> 00:14:50,800 Speaker 1: Arta one. 320 00:14:50,800 --> 00:14:51,640 Speaker 2: I don't know if that counts. 321 00:14:51,680 --> 00:14:53,440 Speaker 1: I'm holding out for him to come to Australia. That 322 00:14:53,600 --> 00:14:56,320 Speaker 1: just seems to be this thirst for Naughty's bands at 323 00:14:56,320 --> 00:14:58,320 Speaker 1: the moment. There seems to be some boy bands who 324 00:14:58,320 --> 00:15:01,440 Speaker 1: were touring as well. I think that it must be 325 00:15:01,440 --> 00:15:04,880 Speaker 1: in your subconscious okay, because Hillary has been dropping clues 326 00:15:04,920 --> 00:15:07,680 Speaker 1: for a couple of months now on Instagram. So the 327 00:15:07,800 --> 00:15:10,440 Speaker 1: first clue came back in June when she shared a 328 00:15:10,480 --> 00:15:13,800 Speaker 1: post commemorating ten years since the launch of her album 329 00:15:13,840 --> 00:15:15,760 Speaker 1: Breathe In, Breathe Out. If you can believe it, that 330 00:15:15,840 --> 00:15:18,680 Speaker 1: was back in twenty fifteen. Oh my god, that makes 331 00:15:18,720 --> 00:15:21,760 Speaker 1: me feel so old because I remember being so excited. 332 00:15:21,760 --> 00:15:23,800 Speaker 1: I was like, she's coming back, Like we need to 333 00:15:23,840 --> 00:15:26,960 Speaker 1: get around her. But unfortunately the album ended up being 334 00:15:26,960 --> 00:15:29,160 Speaker 1: a bit of a flop. I loved the album, so 335 00:15:29,760 --> 00:15:32,200 Speaker 1: it definitely didn't have the hype of the first album. 336 00:15:32,680 --> 00:15:35,520 Speaker 1: This album holds a pretty special place for Hillary though, 337 00:15:35,560 --> 00:15:39,440 Speaker 1: because she actually met her now husband, Matthew Kormer, because 338 00:15:39,520 --> 00:15:41,880 Speaker 1: he was a music producer on the album. 339 00:15:42,040 --> 00:15:42,440 Speaker 2: Oh Wow. 340 00:15:42,600 --> 00:15:45,120 Speaker 1: And it's pretty cute because when she made the announcement 341 00:15:45,160 --> 00:15:48,240 Speaker 1: that new music is now coming, he was also featured 342 00:15:48,240 --> 00:15:50,080 Speaker 1: in one of the photos, so they were sitting together 343 00:15:50,160 --> 00:15:52,560 Speaker 1: in the recording studio and she was hugging him. So 344 00:15:52,600 --> 00:15:54,520 Speaker 1: he's clearly going to be working on a number of 345 00:15:54,560 --> 00:15:56,880 Speaker 1: these tracks. I think that's good news because I really 346 00:15:56,920 --> 00:15:59,560 Speaker 1: liked the direction Hillary's music was going. I know it 347 00:15:59,600 --> 00:16:03,360 Speaker 1: wasn't popular as her first two studio albums. Yeah, I 348 00:16:03,400 --> 00:16:05,280 Speaker 1: mean he has worked with some pretty big names like 349 00:16:05,320 --> 00:16:08,440 Speaker 1: Britney Spears and Demi Lovado, so he is a talented 350 00:16:08,520 --> 00:16:11,520 Speaker 1: music producer. Now, as you said, Kay, this was really 351 00:16:11,640 --> 00:16:15,800 Speaker 1: Hillary's comeback album, but unfortunately the fans didn't really get 352 00:16:15,840 --> 00:16:19,000 Speaker 1: behind it, and in the post, Hillary acknowledged that the 353 00:16:19,080 --> 00:16:22,560 Speaker 1: album didn't have the major success that her other albums 354 00:16:22,560 --> 00:16:24,800 Speaker 1: had had, but she said that some of the work 355 00:16:24,840 --> 00:16:27,560 Speaker 1: on that album did feel very authentic to her, and 356 00:16:27,640 --> 00:16:29,920 Speaker 1: she did poke fund at herself. She wrote, if you 357 00:16:29,960 --> 00:16:32,360 Speaker 1: were one of the five people who listened to Breathe In, 358 00:16:32,560 --> 00:16:36,360 Speaker 1: Breathe Out, drop your favorite songs below, love you. So 359 00:16:36,440 --> 00:16:38,560 Speaker 1: if I think you, me and Amy were three of 360 00:16:38,600 --> 00:16:41,240 Speaker 1: those five bookers, I definitely love them. 361 00:16:41,280 --> 00:16:41,720 Speaker 2: Tattoo. 362 00:16:41,760 --> 00:16:43,840 Speaker 1: That was a good I gotta go and listen to 363 00:16:43,880 --> 00:16:46,240 Speaker 1: these when I get a moment in the car to myself. 364 00:16:46,720 --> 00:16:49,160 Speaker 1: She acknowledged in the posts that there have also been 365 00:16:49,200 --> 00:16:51,640 Speaker 1: a lot of fans who have been blaming themselves on 366 00:16:51,720 --> 00:16:55,360 Speaker 1: TikTok for not getting behind the album more, and she wrote, 367 00:16:55,400 --> 00:16:58,080 Speaker 1: I see you will blaming yourselves not actually your fault 368 00:16:58,160 --> 00:17:01,040 Speaker 1: in brackets, but really is just kidding. But don't let 369 00:17:01,120 --> 00:17:04,639 Speaker 1: it happen again next time dot dot dot Okay. So 370 00:17:04,920 --> 00:17:07,159 Speaker 1: that was a pretty big hint that some music was 371 00:17:07,240 --> 00:17:10,840 Speaker 1: coming and if those clues weren't obvious enough. In late August, 372 00:17:10,960 --> 00:17:14,720 Speaker 1: Hillary also shared a post celebrating twenty two years of 373 00:17:14,760 --> 00:17:18,840 Speaker 1: her first album, Metamorphosis, which freaked me out. It took 374 00:17:18,880 --> 00:17:21,000 Speaker 1: me back to that time. I remember having one copy 375 00:17:21,040 --> 00:17:23,800 Speaker 1: of the CD, which we used to share with our discsmen, 376 00:17:23,960 --> 00:17:26,400 Speaker 1: and I remember Amy always took it at nighttime. 377 00:17:26,119 --> 00:17:27,120 Speaker 2: To listen to to Falllessly. 378 00:17:27,200 --> 00:17:29,040 Speaker 1: To be fair, I actually think that she paid for 379 00:17:29,080 --> 00:17:31,560 Speaker 1: the album. That's why I was in her room. Okay, 380 00:17:31,560 --> 00:17:33,919 Speaker 1: that seems fair enough. So just so many bangers on 381 00:17:33,960 --> 00:17:36,119 Speaker 1: that album, though, they really do take me back to 382 00:17:36,240 --> 00:17:38,560 Speaker 1: being a teenager and that time in your life. 383 00:17:38,640 --> 00:17:38,760 Speaker 3: Well. 384 00:17:38,840 --> 00:17:41,399 Speaker 1: Hillary ended up writing quite a lengthy post about the 385 00:17:41,440 --> 00:17:43,880 Speaker 1: impact the album had on her fans, and I found 386 00:17:43,920 --> 00:17:46,600 Speaker 1: this section pretty interesting because she wrote as much as 387 00:17:46,640 --> 00:17:48,720 Speaker 1: I look back and think this album doesn't hold the 388 00:17:48,760 --> 00:17:51,560 Speaker 1: emotional depth I look for today. I know my fourteen 389 00:17:51,600 --> 00:17:54,280 Speaker 1: to fifteen year old self meant every word. So it 390 00:17:54,280 --> 00:17:56,600 Speaker 1: seems like she's trying to indicate that this new album 391 00:17:56,600 --> 00:17:59,360 Speaker 1: will hold a lot more depth and maturity, which does 392 00:17:59,400 --> 00:17:59,879 Speaker 1: make sense. 393 00:18:00,040 --> 00:18:02,439 Speaker 2: Hillary is thirty eight years old now. 394 00:18:02,840 --> 00:18:04,879 Speaker 1: I think that what she wants to sing about is 395 00:18:04,960 --> 00:18:07,000 Speaker 1: very different to what she wanted to sing about as 396 00:18:07,000 --> 00:18:09,000 Speaker 1: a teenager, and we're not going to be getting bangers 397 00:18:09,080 --> 00:18:12,239 Speaker 1: like Sweet sixteen. Yeah. Well, the thing is, I mean 398 00:18:12,240 --> 00:18:13,760 Speaker 1: I look back at that album, and you know, there's 399 00:18:13,800 --> 00:18:17,239 Speaker 1: so many good songs. Why not so Yesterday anywhere? But here? 400 00:18:17,280 --> 00:18:20,479 Speaker 1: I mean I loved literally every single song, but you know, 401 00:18:20,800 --> 00:18:23,640 Speaker 1: it's it's bubblegum pop. It doesn't you know, the lyrics 402 00:18:23,720 --> 00:18:25,320 Speaker 1: weren't really that in depth. 403 00:18:25,400 --> 00:18:26,840 Speaker 2: So I can see where she's coming from. 404 00:18:26,880 --> 00:18:29,199 Speaker 1: Well, she made it pretty obvious that music was on 405 00:18:29,240 --> 00:18:31,880 Speaker 1: the horizon in this post too, because she wrote, yesterday 406 00:18:31,880 --> 00:18:35,560 Speaker 1: mark the twenty second anniversary of Metamorphosis. Although these are 407 00:18:35,600 --> 00:18:38,240 Speaker 1: distant memories for me, thank you for showing up the 408 00:18:38,280 --> 00:18:42,160 Speaker 1: way you did to be continued dot dot dot See 409 00:18:42,200 --> 00:18:44,320 Speaker 1: at the time, I was just so excited about the 410 00:18:44,440 --> 00:18:46,560 Speaker 1: throwback and all the old photos. I didn't even see 411 00:18:46,560 --> 00:18:47,680 Speaker 1: the two be continued part. 412 00:18:47,800 --> 00:18:48,840 Speaker 2: It just went over my head. 413 00:18:49,160 --> 00:18:52,119 Speaker 1: Well. In a twenty twenty two interview with Cosmopolitan, she 414 00:18:52,280 --> 00:18:54,879 Speaker 1: also told the media that she was itching to record 415 00:18:54,920 --> 00:18:56,800 Speaker 1: new materials, so this seems to have been in the 416 00:18:56,840 --> 00:18:59,600 Speaker 1: works for quite some time now. She has signed a 417 00:18:59,600 --> 00:19:03,159 Speaker 1: contract with Atlantic Records, and she is also going to 418 00:19:03,200 --> 00:19:05,760 Speaker 1: be the subject of a docu series that's going to 419 00:19:05,840 --> 00:19:08,640 Speaker 1: look at her return back to music and also at 420 00:19:08,640 --> 00:19:11,840 Speaker 1: her personal life. And as an og Hillary fan, I 421 00:19:11,840 --> 00:19:13,119 Speaker 1: couldn't be more excited for this. 422 00:19:13,240 --> 00:19:14,080 Speaker 2: I have missed her. 423 00:19:14,280 --> 00:19:16,840 Speaker 1: This is the perfect launch pad for her new music, 424 00:19:16,960 --> 00:19:20,639 Speaker 1: because otherwise it could go down the path of breathing 425 00:19:20,720 --> 00:19:22,240 Speaker 1: breathe out and not get a lot of hight. But 426 00:19:22,280 --> 00:19:25,639 Speaker 1: I think this is fantastic re engaging Hillary Duff's fans 427 00:19:25,640 --> 00:19:27,760 Speaker 1: looking back at what she did at the time, which 428 00:19:27,840 --> 00:19:31,000 Speaker 1: was amazing, and now how we support her moving forward. Well. 429 00:19:31,040 --> 00:19:32,680 Speaker 1: I think it's going to be a great docu series 430 00:19:32,720 --> 00:19:35,760 Speaker 1: because it's being directed and produced by Sam Wrench, who 431 00:19:36,200 --> 00:19:39,920 Speaker 1: also worked with Sabrina Carpenter and Taylor Swift. I mean, again, 432 00:19:40,040 --> 00:19:42,600 Speaker 1: Hillary's name I think fits quite nicely in with Taylor 433 00:19:42,720 --> 00:19:45,439 Speaker 1: and Sabrina. It does seem like she is taking some 434 00:19:45,560 --> 00:19:48,520 Speaker 1: inspiration from Taylor Swift. So not only has she been 435 00:19:48,560 --> 00:19:51,200 Speaker 1: dropping Easter eggs for fans, she's also launched a new 436 00:19:51,240 --> 00:19:54,520 Speaker 1: Instagram account which has Taylor Nation vibe. So when she 437 00:19:54,560 --> 00:19:58,000 Speaker 1: announced her return to music, she posted in collaboration with 438 00:19:58,080 --> 00:20:01,879 Speaker 1: an Instagram account called Hillary Duff HQ, and in the 439 00:20:01,920 --> 00:20:05,280 Speaker 1: account's bio is a disco ball emoji, a star and 440 00:20:05,359 --> 00:20:08,240 Speaker 1: some cherries, whilst the display picture is of a pink, 441 00:20:08,359 --> 00:20:11,639 Speaker 1: cloudy sky. So far, this account has eleven point seven 442 00:20:11,720 --> 00:20:15,080 Speaker 1: thousand followers and only follows Hillary Duff. I was very 443 00:20:15,080 --> 00:20:17,200 Speaker 1: intrigued by this account because I think a lot of 444 00:20:17,240 --> 00:20:19,119 Speaker 1: people missed it, the fact that it's only got eleven 445 00:20:19,160 --> 00:20:22,639 Speaker 1: thousand followers. There's a link in the bio to a 446 00:20:22,720 --> 00:20:25,600 Speaker 1: new website that's been set up called hillaryduff dot com, 447 00:20:25,640 --> 00:20:27,200 Speaker 1: and when you click on it, it takes you to 448 00:20:27,240 --> 00:20:29,399 Speaker 1: a landing page and it says want to know what 449 00:20:29,520 --> 00:20:32,639 Speaker 1: Hillary Duff is up to? And it was so clever 450 00:20:32,720 --> 00:20:35,520 Speaker 1: because underneath there's a button that says why not, which 451 00:20:35,560 --> 00:20:38,679 Speaker 1: is a course in reference to that early naughties banger 452 00:20:39,160 --> 00:20:40,639 Speaker 1: When you click on it. It takes you to a 453 00:20:40,720 --> 00:20:42,920 Speaker 1: landing page and it basically asks you to give your 454 00:20:42,920 --> 00:20:45,159 Speaker 1: contact detail so you can find out all the Hillary 455 00:20:45,240 --> 00:20:47,840 Speaker 1: Duff news first. Is very reminiscent of the way that 456 00:20:47,920 --> 00:20:52,080 Speaker 1: Megan Markle dropped her website and information. Well, I think 457 00:20:52,080 --> 00:20:54,440 Speaker 1: all celebrities are using this format, and I think it's 458 00:20:54,440 --> 00:20:57,160 Speaker 1: clever for Hillary to have her own sort of separate 459 00:20:57,200 --> 00:20:59,320 Speaker 1: I suppose what appears to be a fan account, but 460 00:20:59,320 --> 00:21:01,720 Speaker 1: it's actually her running it to promote her music and 461 00:21:01,760 --> 00:21:04,960 Speaker 1: connect with fans on there, rather than doing it across 462 00:21:05,000 --> 00:21:06,520 Speaker 1: her own personal Instagram. 463 00:21:06,720 --> 00:21:08,520 Speaker 2: I mean, she does have a lot of followers. 464 00:21:08,560 --> 00:21:11,080 Speaker 1: If anyone is questioning, oh, well, you know how big 465 00:21:11,119 --> 00:21:13,720 Speaker 1: is Hillary Duff, She's got twenty six point eight million followers. 466 00:21:13,760 --> 00:21:15,400 Speaker 2: That's a lot of people following her. 467 00:21:16,960 --> 00:21:18,639 Speaker 1: We are shooting today, guys. 468 00:21:19,840 --> 00:21:24,720 Speaker 3: M couple friendly Discoursies, little baby bum Auntie. 469 00:21:24,359 --> 00:21:29,280 Speaker 1: Tr podcaster Nicki Wescott and her husband Ollie Frost have 470 00:21:29,320 --> 00:21:32,840 Speaker 1: announced their expecting their first child. The couple, who got 471 00:21:32,840 --> 00:21:36,560 Speaker 1: married in November last year, made the announcement whilst holidaying 472 00:21:36,640 --> 00:21:39,800 Speaker 1: in Europe. In a joint post, the couple wrote, smuggled 473 00:21:39,840 --> 00:21:43,240 Speaker 1: a plus one to Europe we can't wait to meet you, Bambino. 474 00:21:43,440 --> 00:21:45,479 Speaker 1: I think a lot of people probably missed this when 475 00:21:45,520 --> 00:21:47,600 Speaker 1: they were scrolling Instagram. They probably just thought, oh, there's 476 00:21:47,600 --> 00:21:50,840 Speaker 1: a hot picture of Nicki and bathers, because it wasn't 477 00:21:51,040 --> 00:21:53,680 Speaker 1: that overt that this was a pregnancy announcement. And I've 478 00:21:53,720 --> 00:21:57,200 Speaker 1: noticed this seems to be a new style of pregnancy 479 00:21:57,200 --> 00:21:59,959 Speaker 1: announcement post that influencers are updating. It seems to be 480 00:22:00,119 --> 00:22:02,359 Speaker 1: cool to kind of do it off the cuff and 481 00:22:02,440 --> 00:22:04,960 Speaker 1: just include it amongst a photo dump. It does seem 482 00:22:05,000 --> 00:22:08,879 Speaker 1: a bit daggy to do the general beach photo announcement. 483 00:22:08,960 --> 00:22:11,960 Speaker 1: I think that's almost being viewed as a bitchoty these days. 484 00:22:12,160 --> 00:22:13,240 Speaker 1: I mean it's a bit cliche. 485 00:22:13,280 --> 00:22:13,480 Speaker 2: See. 486 00:22:13,480 --> 00:22:15,080 Speaker 1: I don't even think it was the beat shots that 487 00:22:15,080 --> 00:22:17,280 Speaker 1: were in. I think that was quite outdated. I think 488 00:22:17,280 --> 00:22:20,080 Speaker 1: it was more going in a photo studio with jenes 489 00:22:20,119 --> 00:22:21,679 Speaker 1: On and letting you bump pop out. I mean, how 490 00:22:21,720 --> 00:22:23,879 Speaker 1: many influences do we see doing that with their Calvin 491 00:22:23,920 --> 00:22:26,920 Speaker 1: kleins poking out. This announcement did feel very them because 492 00:22:26,920 --> 00:22:30,159 Speaker 1: they're known for loving a euro summer, and when you 493 00:22:30,200 --> 00:22:33,320 Speaker 1: continued looking through the photo dump, it became more obvious 494 00:22:33,359 --> 00:22:36,080 Speaker 1: that this was actually a pregnancy announcement because it was 495 00:22:36,119 --> 00:22:39,880 Speaker 1: followed up by a photo of Ollie cuddling Nicki's stomach. 496 00:22:39,960 --> 00:22:42,560 Speaker 1: There was then an ultrasound video so spell it out 497 00:22:42,560 --> 00:22:43,679 Speaker 1: for the people they didn't quite. 498 00:22:43,520 --> 00:22:44,439 Speaker 2: Put two and two together. 499 00:22:44,520 --> 00:22:46,480 Speaker 1: There was also a cute little sketch that I think 500 00:22:46,520 --> 00:22:49,240 Speaker 1: their niece or nephew did congratulating the couples. It was 501 00:22:49,240 --> 00:22:53,120 Speaker 1: a very heartfelt post. Do you think Eurosummer twenty twenty 502 00:22:53,160 --> 00:22:54,879 Speaker 1: six we're going to see Nicki and Olie with a 503 00:22:54,920 --> 00:22:57,280 Speaker 1: little baby in Europe? I don't know if it will 504 00:22:57,359 --> 00:22:59,800 Speaker 1: quite be the same as euro twenty twenty five or 505 00:22:59,840 --> 00:23:03,000 Speaker 1: the even when they were there in Might. They probably 506 00:23:03,040 --> 00:23:05,040 Speaker 1: will bring their child along with them, but I think 507 00:23:05,200 --> 00:23:08,119 Speaker 1: the holiday itself will have different vibes. 508 00:23:08,359 --> 00:23:09,280 Speaker 2: See, I think they're. 509 00:23:09,119 --> 00:23:11,560 Speaker 1: The type of people that will take their baby overseas. 510 00:23:11,600 --> 00:23:13,879 Speaker 1: I see a lot of influencers doing it, and hats 511 00:23:13,880 --> 00:23:16,399 Speaker 1: off to them. I don't know how they possibly do it. 512 00:23:16,400 --> 00:23:19,280 Speaker 1: I mean, last week we were talking about how Lauren Bullen, 513 00:23:19,359 --> 00:23:22,560 Speaker 1: who is better known as Gypsy Lust, is still globe 514 00:23:22,560 --> 00:23:24,520 Speaker 1: trotting with a one year old in business class. I 515 00:23:24,520 --> 00:23:27,800 Speaker 1: mean that makes a difference, but Honestly, my son is 516 00:23:28,160 --> 00:23:30,920 Speaker 1: nearly fifteen months old, and I think it's only at 517 00:23:30,920 --> 00:23:33,600 Speaker 1: this point where I'm like, okay, potentially we may be 518 00:23:33,680 --> 00:23:35,600 Speaker 1: able to take him to a weekend down at Middleton, 519 00:23:36,200 --> 00:23:38,280 Speaker 1: which is an hour away. I actually think he's a 520 00:23:38,320 --> 00:23:40,400 Speaker 1: good age that he could go on a little week 521 00:23:40,440 --> 00:23:42,400 Speaker 1: long holiday, maybe to Port Douglas. 522 00:23:42,640 --> 00:23:44,040 Speaker 2: That's what I'm trying to push at the moment. 523 00:23:44,119 --> 00:23:46,480 Speaker 1: See, I am just such a stickler for his routine, 524 00:23:46,480 --> 00:23:48,200 Speaker 1: Like it makes me feel out of control to think 525 00:23:48,400 --> 00:23:51,639 Speaker 1: of getting him on an international flight, like I just couldn't. 526 00:23:51,880 --> 00:23:54,119 Speaker 1: His routine is changing at the moment and he's getting 527 00:23:54,280 --> 00:23:56,399 Speaker 1: you know, bigger wake windows, all that sort of stuff. 528 00:23:56,440 --> 00:23:59,679 Speaker 1: Adam mcave always actually set to take her baby Swede 529 00:23:59,800 --> 00:24:02,280 Speaker 1: to Hawaii soon. It'll be interesting to see how that 530 00:24:02,320 --> 00:24:05,960 Speaker 1: one goes. I loved following along because they did an 531 00:24:06,080 --> 00:24:08,560 Speaker 1: overnight stay at a hotel and they forgot to bring 532 00:24:08,600 --> 00:24:09,320 Speaker 1: his sleep suit. 533 00:24:09,320 --> 00:24:10,480 Speaker 2: They had to rush down to. 534 00:24:10,480 --> 00:24:13,280 Speaker 1: Came up buy one, stitch it up because it wasn't 535 00:24:13,280 --> 00:24:13,960 Speaker 1: small enough. 536 00:24:14,040 --> 00:24:14,960 Speaker 2: Well, it was probably a. 537 00:24:14,920 --> 00:24:18,359 Speaker 1: Good dress rehearsal for them. I heard Anna talking on 538 00:24:18,400 --> 00:24:21,240 Speaker 1: her podcast about how Swede has just started to wake up, 539 00:24:21,280 --> 00:24:23,760 Speaker 1: and I'm thinking, oh God, have they really planned this 540 00:24:23,800 --> 00:24:25,720 Speaker 1: holiday at a bad time because she made a joke 541 00:24:25,760 --> 00:24:27,640 Speaker 1: about how his personality is coming. 542 00:24:27,440 --> 00:24:28,480 Speaker 2: Out and it's quite loud. 543 00:24:28,560 --> 00:24:30,960 Speaker 1: I just couldn't personally stand being on a plane with 544 00:24:31,040 --> 00:24:33,360 Speaker 1: a baby. I mean it's bad enough when you're sat 545 00:24:33,440 --> 00:24:35,040 Speaker 1: near one, let alone you having. 546 00:24:34,800 --> 00:24:35,439 Speaker 2: To deal with her. 547 00:24:35,560 --> 00:24:37,720 Speaker 1: It sounds like she's managed to book in the emergency 548 00:24:37,760 --> 00:24:39,879 Speaker 1: row and get a bassinette, which would surely make a 549 00:24:39,920 --> 00:24:42,959 Speaker 1: big difference. Getting back to Nicky's announcement, it was very 550 00:24:43,000 --> 00:24:46,240 Speaker 1: sweet because Lucy Jackson, her co host, was very quick 551 00:24:46,240 --> 00:24:49,240 Speaker 1: to congratulate the couple. She ended up sharing the bikini 552 00:24:49,280 --> 00:24:52,840 Speaker 1: photo of Lucy and wrote, there's a baby in there, Auntie. 553 00:24:52,920 --> 00:24:56,240 Speaker 1: Can't wait to meet you baby mom and dad on route. 554 00:24:56,359 --> 00:24:57,359 Speaker 2: Oh that's very sweet. 555 00:24:57,400 --> 00:24:59,200 Speaker 1: In regards to the timing, I wonder if they had 556 00:24:59,200 --> 00:25:01,639 Speaker 1: to get it out there pretty soon because The Wild 557 00:25:01,680 --> 00:25:04,560 Speaker 1: Ones are set to do a podcast tour in November. 558 00:25:04,760 --> 00:25:07,760 Speaker 1: I mean, judging from Nicki's photos, she is hiding it 559 00:25:07,840 --> 00:25:09,960 Speaker 1: very well at the moment the pregnancy. But as you said, 560 00:25:10,280 --> 00:25:12,879 Speaker 1: once they start going to live shows, you want to 561 00:25:12,880 --> 00:25:14,720 Speaker 1: be the one that announces at first. You don't want 562 00:25:14,720 --> 00:25:17,480 Speaker 1: people taking photos of you in the wild and people 563 00:25:17,560 --> 00:25:19,679 Speaker 1: start starting to speculate about it. 564 00:25:19,840 --> 00:25:20,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. 565 00:25:20,800 --> 00:25:23,160 Speaker 1: And it's also a difficult thing to hide when your 566 00:25:23,200 --> 00:25:25,200 Speaker 1: life is talking on a podcast and you can't talk 567 00:25:25,200 --> 00:25:27,879 Speaker 1: about something so exciting and massive that's happening to you. 568 00:25:29,359 --> 00:25:31,320 Speaker 1: Let's get into our Friday debrief and I need to 569 00:25:31,400 --> 00:25:33,680 Speaker 1: check in with you, Sophie. How's your first week back 570 00:25:33,720 --> 00:25:36,600 Speaker 1: from maternity leave. Oh, I've absolutely loved it. I have 571 00:25:36,680 --> 00:25:38,679 Speaker 1: to admit though, on Sunday night, I did have a 572 00:25:38,720 --> 00:25:41,000 Speaker 1: bit of a knot in my stomach. I got really nervous, 573 00:25:41,000 --> 00:25:43,520 Speaker 1: and it wasn't about speaking on the podcast. 574 00:25:44,080 --> 00:25:45,600 Speaker 2: It was that I was just. 575 00:25:45,640 --> 00:25:48,320 Speaker 1: Hoping that my son Luca would sleep in his two 576 00:25:48,359 --> 00:25:51,000 Speaker 1: hour nap break, which would let us record the podcast. 577 00:25:51,040 --> 00:25:53,359 Speaker 1: Because we've had a lot of support from our mum, 578 00:25:53,680 --> 00:25:56,080 Speaker 1: but it's hard to juggle us each being at different 579 00:25:56,119 --> 00:25:58,880 Speaker 1: houses and us each having kids. So we've worked out 580 00:25:58,880 --> 00:26:00,800 Speaker 1: that the best thing to do when we recording is 581 00:26:00,840 --> 00:26:04,000 Speaker 1: to have her look after your son whilst he has 582 00:26:04,040 --> 00:26:06,400 Speaker 1: one of his wake windows, so then you can edit 583 00:26:06,440 --> 00:26:08,320 Speaker 1: whilst he's asleep. It's a bit a juggling act at 584 00:26:08,359 --> 00:26:10,720 Speaker 1: the moment. Yeah, Because currently their routines are a little 585 00:26:10,720 --> 00:26:13,560 Speaker 1: bit different, So it's about getting as much done as 586 00:26:13,600 --> 00:26:15,280 Speaker 1: possible while these lads are a slip. 587 00:26:15,400 --> 00:26:15,840 Speaker 2: That's the thing. 588 00:26:15,880 --> 00:26:18,960 Speaker 1: Whilst I've been recording the podcast, I've got my iPad 589 00:26:19,000 --> 00:26:22,280 Speaker 1: which has my Nana Baby monitor on there, and I 590 00:26:22,440 --> 00:26:23,560 Speaker 1: just keep looking. 591 00:26:23,320 --> 00:26:25,000 Speaker 2: Over just to make sure everything. 592 00:26:25,080 --> 00:26:26,840 Speaker 1: I know you'd be like, oh my god, he's dropped 593 00:26:26,840 --> 00:26:29,280 Speaker 1: his dummy and I might just keep going. For any parents, 594 00:26:29,320 --> 00:26:30,800 Speaker 1: is that not the worst feeling in the world when 595 00:26:30,800 --> 00:26:32,600 Speaker 1: they spit their dummy out and you just hear it 596 00:26:32,720 --> 00:26:36,480 Speaker 1: hit the Bassinette mattress, it's just oh, it's a horrifying feeling. Oh, 597 00:26:36,480 --> 00:26:38,359 Speaker 1: it just makes you so glad that Jack sucks his 598 00:26:38,440 --> 00:26:41,479 Speaker 1: thumb rather than has a dum. It's a weird feeling though, 599 00:26:41,520 --> 00:26:43,720 Speaker 1: because I feel like I'm getting my groove back, I'm 600 00:26:43,760 --> 00:26:46,000 Speaker 1: getting into it, but then I'm off again next week 601 00:26:46,040 --> 00:26:48,800 Speaker 1: because for those who aren't aware, we're doing a one off, 602 00:26:49,119 --> 00:26:51,480 Speaker 1: one on scenario. So Amy is going to be back 603 00:26:51,480 --> 00:26:54,040 Speaker 1: on next week. Yeah, you guys are juggling your maternity 604 00:26:54,119 --> 00:26:56,400 Speaker 1: leaver as we crawl to the end of the year. 605 00:26:56,440 --> 00:26:58,600 Speaker 1: I think next year you'll both be back full time, 606 00:26:58,640 --> 00:27:00,800 Speaker 1: so there'll be three of us on the podcasts, which god, 607 00:27:00,840 --> 00:27:03,160 Speaker 1: I can't remember the last time that actually happened. Yeah, 608 00:27:03,200 --> 00:27:04,840 Speaker 1: I mean I think that with too, we don't have 609 00:27:04,920 --> 00:27:06,800 Speaker 1: quite as many arguments. I don't know if that's less 610 00:27:06,800 --> 00:27:07,760 Speaker 1: fun for the audience. 611 00:27:07,840 --> 00:27:09,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, I wonder if people can pick that up. 612 00:27:09,480 --> 00:27:11,159 Speaker 1: But we did have a bit of an armchair critic 613 00:27:11,200 --> 00:27:13,359 Speaker 1: that was Amy. She wasn't pleased to be off that week, 614 00:27:13,400 --> 00:27:15,880 Speaker 1: and yeah, I had a few areas that I could improve. 615 00:27:16,200 --> 00:27:17,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, I thought it was a bit harsh. 616 00:27:17,480 --> 00:27:19,240 Speaker 1: She said that it seemed like you were just so 617 00:27:19,359 --> 00:27:21,359 Speaker 1: raring to chat that you wouldn't shut up, which I 618 00:27:21,359 --> 00:27:23,400 Speaker 1: thought was the whole point of having an opinion podcast. 619 00:27:23,440 --> 00:27:25,200 Speaker 1: To be honest, it probably was a little bit true. 620 00:27:25,200 --> 00:27:26,320 Speaker 1: I've been stuck at home with no. 621 00:27:26,400 --> 00:27:27,440 Speaker 2: One to talk. 622 00:27:27,560 --> 00:27:29,560 Speaker 1: I was like, oh my god, I can speak on 623 00:27:29,560 --> 00:27:32,280 Speaker 1: a podcast. I still remember last year when you guys 624 00:27:32,359 --> 00:27:35,480 Speaker 1: let me come off maternally for like one episode to 625 00:27:35,560 --> 00:27:37,399 Speaker 1: let you yeah, because I was like, I don't want 626 00:27:37,400 --> 00:27:39,720 Speaker 1: to come back, and you guys like no, But when 627 00:27:39,720 --> 00:27:42,639 Speaker 1: you guys let me do the Molly May break Up 628 00:27:42,680 --> 00:27:45,240 Speaker 1: podcast with you, Sophie, And we did it in Jack's nursery, 629 00:27:45,240 --> 00:27:47,159 Speaker 1: and I was like, I'm just across this like, and 630 00:27:47,359 --> 00:27:51,160 Speaker 1: I'm just so happy to speak about something it's babies. 631 00:27:51,440 --> 00:27:53,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I. 632 00:27:53,080 --> 00:27:55,040 Speaker 1: Think there's where we're going to leave things today. Thank 633 00:27:55,080 --> 00:27:57,240 Speaker 1: you again for listening to Outspoken. 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