1
00:00:00,360 --> 00:00:05,280
Speaker 1: Jonesy and Amanda's.

2
00:00:03,160 --> 00:00:06,120
Speaker 2: Well Our Next Guest has won seven Grammys, released nine

3
00:00:06,160 --> 00:00:09,640
Speaker 2: studio albums, and last year celebrated the twenty fifth anniversary

4
00:00:09,880 --> 00:00:13,520
Speaker 2: of her breakthrough album, Jagged Little Pill. That album led

5
00:00:13,560 --> 00:00:17,239
Speaker 2: to her becoming the youngest artist to achieve Diamond certified

6
00:00:17,239 --> 00:00:20,079
Speaker 2: status in the US, and that same album is now

7
00:00:20,120 --> 00:00:24,200
Speaker 2: a stage musical coming to Australia to tell us more

8
00:00:24,239 --> 00:00:26,920
Speaker 2: about it. How thrilled we are to welcome the incredible

9
00:00:26,960 --> 00:00:27,920
Speaker 2: Alanis Morissett.

10
00:00:28,200 --> 00:00:32,040
Speaker 3: Hello, Hello, I'd just like to say this to you

11
00:00:32,040 --> 00:00:35,479
Speaker 3: because in Australia we say when we pronounce your name,

12
00:00:35,520 --> 00:00:39,640
Speaker 3: we say Alanis. But we've always had this argument because

13
00:00:39,680 --> 00:00:41,680
Speaker 3: in Canada you're an Alanis.

14
00:00:42,560 --> 00:00:45,839
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know what, masda marsda pasta pasta?

15
00:00:46,000 --> 00:00:47,839
Speaker 3: Which one would you prefer? Because we don't want to

16
00:00:48,440 --> 00:00:51,040
Speaker 3: upset you or you know, yes.

17
00:00:51,440 --> 00:00:55,520
Speaker 4: It would be really upset Madam. I know you think

18
00:00:55,560 --> 00:00:58,560
Speaker 4: I have an accent, but your accent is breathtaking, so

19
00:00:58,600 --> 00:00:59,120
Speaker 4: you can see it.

20
00:00:59,120 --> 00:01:01,120
Speaker 1: However, you I'm just gonna say a lot of this.

21
00:01:01,560 --> 00:01:02,280
Speaker 1: That's all that it says.

22
00:01:02,280 --> 00:01:05,080
Speaker 3: That's all I've been announcing your song since since you

23
00:01:05,160 --> 00:01:07,000
Speaker 3: came to be in business.

24
00:01:07,160 --> 00:01:09,000
Speaker 1: It now let's go change it now.

25
00:01:09,360 --> 00:01:12,800
Speaker 2: It's extraordiny that he you are writing a musical about

26
00:01:12,800 --> 00:01:15,720
Speaker 2: an album that you wrote when you were in your

27
00:01:15,800 --> 00:01:17,880
Speaker 2: ninety when you were nineteen or twenty. How has it

28
00:01:17,920 --> 00:01:19,440
Speaker 2: been collaborating with yourself?

29
00:01:21,160 --> 00:01:26,880
Speaker 4: Well, you know, she's really great. No. I. First of all,

30
00:01:27,319 --> 00:01:31,520
Speaker 4: I've always said collaboration is the highest form of you know,

31
00:01:31,800 --> 00:01:34,640
Speaker 4: synergistic art for me, because certainly I can write alone

32
00:01:34,760 --> 00:01:37,560
Speaker 4: and I love doing it, but there is nothing that

33
00:01:37,600 --> 00:01:40,600
Speaker 4: can compare to having you know, I couldn't swing a

34
00:01:40,640 --> 00:01:43,399
Speaker 4: dirty sock without hitting a master in the room, you know.

35
00:01:43,520 --> 00:01:47,319
Speaker 4: So whether it was Diana Paulus directing, or Diablo Coda

36
00:01:47,360 --> 00:01:50,520
Speaker 4: writing the book, Tom Kidd doing the music, Larvie doing

37
00:01:50,520 --> 00:01:53,560
Speaker 4: the choreography, you know, it was just a dream come

38
00:01:53,640 --> 00:01:56,720
Speaker 4: true in terms of all of us sort of moving

39
00:01:56,760 --> 00:01:59,160
Speaker 4: together and some of us would step forward and kick

40
00:01:59,200 --> 00:02:01,880
Speaker 4: into high gear and then lean back, and it was

41
00:02:01,920 --> 00:02:05,240
Speaker 4: the exact, beautiful, perfect example of collaboration.

42
00:02:05,560 --> 00:02:05,880
Speaker 1: I was.

43
00:02:06,000 --> 00:02:08,160
Speaker 3: I was imagine you collaborating with yourself. It's like the

44
00:02:08,160 --> 00:02:11,200
Speaker 3: film clip for Ironic when you're in that cow and it's.

45
00:02:11,000 --> 00:02:16,000
Speaker 4: Just every day just talking to these different parts. The ambivalence,

46
00:02:16,040 --> 00:02:19,000
Speaker 4: you know, there's were such multitudinous humans that you know,

47
00:02:19,040 --> 00:02:21,360
Speaker 4: whenever I asked my kids, how are you feeling, They'll

48
00:02:21,360 --> 00:02:24,600
Speaker 4: tell me at least six or seven things. Yeah, never one,

49
00:02:24,680 --> 00:02:25,680
Speaker 4: it's never one emotion.

50
00:02:26,680 --> 00:02:29,160
Speaker 2: Did you have any sense at the time that this

51
00:02:29,480 --> 00:02:31,080
Speaker 2: would reverberate as it has?

52
00:02:33,000 --> 00:02:36,040
Speaker 4: No. I mean I knew I loved it, and I

53
00:02:36,080 --> 00:02:38,240
Speaker 4: was on MCA Records as a teen, and they had

54
00:02:38,840 --> 00:02:41,320
Speaker 4: I think Atlantic had asked if I wanted to put

55
00:02:41,360 --> 00:02:44,359
Speaker 4: my records out from my teen years around the planet,

56
00:02:44,520 --> 00:02:46,160
Speaker 4: and I didn't want to leave school.

57
00:02:45,840 --> 00:02:46,480
Speaker 1: So I said no.

58
00:02:47,880 --> 00:02:51,040
Speaker 4: So then I got dropped by MCA, and I remember

59
00:02:51,120 --> 00:02:54,160
Speaker 4: saying to myself, this isn't an opportunity for me to

60
00:02:54,840 --> 00:02:59,119
Speaker 4: start from scratch because segueing from you know, maybe Miley Cyrus,

61
00:02:59,160 --> 00:03:02,600
Speaker 4: perhaps Brittany, some other people who quote unquote had big

62
00:03:02,639 --> 00:03:07,440
Speaker 4: success as a teen or a younger person segueing into adulthood,

63
00:03:07,480 --> 00:03:12,480
Speaker 4: is it publicly is beautifully horror horrifyingly awkward. So so

64
00:03:12,520 --> 00:03:15,200
Speaker 4: I think when I was writing it, I just knew

65
00:03:15,200 --> 00:03:17,680
Speaker 4: that I wouldn't stop until a record, the record really

66
00:03:17,720 --> 00:03:20,560
Speaker 4: represented me. And there were times people at Maverick Madonna's

67
00:03:20,600 --> 00:03:23,920
Speaker 4: label would say, we're scared, this is a little too caustic,

68
00:03:24,040 --> 00:03:25,960
Speaker 4: you know, And I said, well, I am nineteen, so

69
00:03:26,320 --> 00:03:28,040
Speaker 4: you know, when I write a record in my forties,

70
00:03:28,080 --> 00:03:28,560
Speaker 4: we can talk.

71
00:03:28,760 --> 00:03:28,959
Speaker 1: Yeah.

72
00:03:29,560 --> 00:03:32,640
Speaker 3: And that's the curious thing when with young songwriters, because

73
00:03:32,639 --> 00:03:34,920
Speaker 3: you are full of angst. But do you find when

74
00:03:34,960 --> 00:03:37,240
Speaker 3: you perform say you ought to Know now, do you

75
00:03:37,280 --> 00:03:40,760
Speaker 3: find that you Is it hard to perform.

76
00:03:40,400 --> 00:03:42,560
Speaker 1: An angsty song when you're not angsty?

77
00:03:44,120 --> 00:03:48,400
Speaker 4: Uh? No, because I'm angsty. I'm just angsty about different

78
00:03:48,440 --> 00:03:50,920
Speaker 4: things at forty six, you know, like different. You know,

79
00:03:51,000 --> 00:03:53,400
Speaker 4: something that might have been horrifying when I was younger

80
00:03:53,560 --> 00:03:56,000
Speaker 4: is now, you know, water off a duct's back. But

81
00:03:56,080 --> 00:03:59,920
Speaker 4: now it's almost like my I love anger by the way.

82
00:04:00,000 --> 00:04:01,920
Speaker 4: I just think it moves worlds and it's gorgeous. It

83
00:04:01,920 --> 00:04:04,800
Speaker 4: gets a bad rep because off it often looks destructive

84
00:04:04,880 --> 00:04:08,160
Speaker 4: and murderous, and you know, but the actual energy is lovely.

85
00:04:08,200 --> 00:04:10,800
Speaker 4: It can help us show up on behalf of activism.

86
00:04:10,920 --> 00:04:14,400
Speaker 4: There's so many topics in this musical, you know. And

87
00:04:14,480 --> 00:04:16,360
Speaker 4: it was to the point where when people when we

88
00:04:16,360 --> 00:04:18,480
Speaker 4: were doing workshops, you know, there was a lot there

89
00:04:18,480 --> 00:04:21,560
Speaker 4: were a lot of tears. I was sobbing. The people

90
00:04:21,560 --> 00:04:24,279
Speaker 4: portraying the characters were crying while they were performing it,

91
00:04:24,400 --> 00:04:27,560
Speaker 4: and because we're doing it as a team, it's really healing.

92
00:04:27,600 --> 00:04:31,239
Speaker 4: It's catharsis happens for me when I'm alone on stage

93
00:04:31,279 --> 00:04:33,880
Speaker 4: and alone in a studio. It kind of moves the energy,

94
00:04:33,880 --> 00:04:36,120
Speaker 4: but it doesn't heal much. But as soon as it

95
00:04:36,160 --> 00:04:38,880
Speaker 4: turns relational and there's another person in the room or

96
00:04:38,960 --> 00:04:42,000
Speaker 4: many of them, it's a whole other level of healing.

97
00:04:42,120 --> 00:04:44,640
Speaker 4: So I had no idea. That's the part I had

98
00:04:44,680 --> 00:04:46,480
Speaker 4: no idea about. I had no idea about how it

99
00:04:46,520 --> 00:04:47,200
Speaker 4: would be healing.

100
00:04:48,080 --> 00:04:50,200
Speaker 2: I know it had a limited run in the States

101
00:04:50,240 --> 00:04:52,479
Speaker 2: only because of COVID. It was set up for this big,

102
00:04:52,520 --> 00:04:55,120
Speaker 2: long run and COVID got in the way. So with

103
00:04:55,240 --> 00:04:57,440
Speaker 2: through that, Australia is the only other place this is

104
00:04:57,480 --> 00:04:58,200
Speaker 2: being performed.

105
00:04:58,920 --> 00:05:01,120
Speaker 4: Yes, this is the first time we're stepping out of

106
00:05:01,880 --> 00:05:06,599
Speaker 4: America and I couldn't be more excited. I yeah, I'm sorry,

107
00:05:06,600 --> 00:05:08,799
Speaker 4: my brain farted there. I don't even know when.

108
00:05:09,560 --> 00:05:11,159
Speaker 1: My hours does that all the time.

109
00:05:11,279 --> 00:05:12,520
Speaker 2: Surprise, you couldn't smell out.

110
00:05:13,720 --> 00:05:14,760
Speaker 1: It's coming down the zoo.

111
00:05:14,880 --> 00:05:16,359
Speaker 4: Eventually the internet will yield.

112
00:05:17,640 --> 00:05:20,480
Speaker 3: Eventually it will Well, it's great to talk to you.

113
00:05:20,520 --> 00:05:23,040
Speaker 3: Tickets to Jagged Little Pill. The musical will be available

114
00:05:23,080 --> 00:05:25,560
Speaker 3: in May. To find out more, head to Jagged Little

115
00:05:25,600 --> 00:05:28,880
Speaker 3: Pill dot com. And Alanis Alanis, thank you for helping

116
00:05:29,000 --> 00:05:31,240
Speaker 3: us with the pronunciation of your name, because it's been

117
00:05:31,480 --> 00:05:32,400
Speaker 3: on our radio show.

118
00:05:32,400 --> 00:05:33,560
Speaker 1: We've been doing the show.

119
00:05:33,480 --> 00:05:36,240
Speaker 3: For sixteen years, and every time I announced one of

120
00:05:36,320 --> 00:05:38,919
Speaker 3: your songs, Amanda and I have an argument during the

121
00:05:39,000 --> 00:05:42,000
Speaker 3: song about the pronunciation, and I like how you say.

122
00:05:42,040 --> 00:05:44,280
Speaker 2: We're all right, We're all right.

123
00:05:44,440 --> 00:05:45,640
Speaker 4: Just you know what, I'm just gonna I'm going to

124
00:05:45,720 --> 00:05:48,039
Speaker 4: change my name to an emoji and then everyone it'll

125
00:05:48,040 --> 00:05:48,680
Speaker 4: be much easier.

126
00:05:48,800 --> 00:05:50,520
Speaker 2: You'd really appreciate it if you wouldn't mind.

127
00:05:50,680 --> 00:05:54,760
Speaker 1: Worked for Prince I worked for Prince. Thank you, Thank

128
00:05:54,800 --> 00:05:56,280
Speaker 1: you for joining us.

129
00:05:56,480 --> 00:05:58,200
Speaker 4: Thank you for having me appreciate it.

130
00:05:58,560 --> 00:06:00,360
Speaker 1: Jonesy and Amanda's Nation