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Speaker 1: Jonesy and Amanda in the morning. Aaron Mullin is here.

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Speaker 1: Question one before we do anything, Kevin Proctor. Did he

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Speaker 1: actually bite?

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Speaker 2: No, not, in my opinion at all. I was really

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Speaker 2: disappointed with that outcome. I've watched the replay multiple times

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Speaker 2: and never once do I see him clamp down. I

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Speaker 2: think it was genuinely a case of Sean Johnson's arm

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Speaker 2: with force going into a mouth, into an open mouth,

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Speaker 2: or forced his mouth open. I don't think Sewan Johnson's

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Speaker 2: a liar at all. I think he definitely felt teeth

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Speaker 2: or a mouthguard. But at no stage when you're watching

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Speaker 2: that do you see him attempt to bite or clamp down.

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Speaker 2: So no, I don't think he did bite him, and

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Speaker 2: I think he's been really hard done by it.

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Speaker 1: If your mouth is already open and something gets forced

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Speaker 1: into it that you can do one of two things.

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Speaker 2: You can bite down or you can just sort of

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Speaker 2: front of reflex motion, I guess. But yeah, I genuinely

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Speaker 2: think they got it wrong, and I was really disappointed

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Speaker 2: with that outcome and for both players. I feel really

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Speaker 2: sorry for both players, but I think it was a

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Speaker 2: wrong outcome.

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Speaker 1: Well, let's talk about Anthony seabold extraordinary rumors on social Well,

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Speaker 1: how's it all happened? Tell us a store.

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Speaker 2: Some of these rumors that have been circulating, and some

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Speaker 2: of the trolling that he has received has been some

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Speaker 2: of the vilests that I've ever seen, and I've seen

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Speaker 2: some pretty vile stuff, and I've been the recipient of

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Speaker 2: some pretty vile stuff. I am so glad that he's

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Speaker 2: taking action. I'm so glad that he's got lawyers. I'm

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Speaker 2: so glad he's got cyber experts from overseas. There's a

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Speaker 2: great article in the Daily Telegraph today and the headline

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Speaker 2: is you can go to jail, you can pay hundreds

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Speaker 2: of thousands of dollars. And this is talking about people

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Speaker 2: who make these rumors up, people who share this stuff,

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Speaker 2: people who troll. And trolling is not someone not liking you.

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Speaker 2: Trolling is not someone going online and saying, eron, I

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Speaker 2: don't like your dress, or eron, I don't like you.

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Speaker 2: That's not trolling. Trolling is vile, repeated harassment. It is threatening.

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Speaker 2: It is so serious. It is not We're not snowflakes.

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Speaker 2: This is not talking about snowflakes. And this is not

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Speaker 2: about me or Anthony Sebolg. But things need to change.

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Speaker 2: And when I saw this article on the paper this morning,

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Speaker 2: I was ecstatic because the whole conversation around trolling at

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Speaker 2: the moment is for the victim. Block them, ignore them,

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Speaker 2: report them, get off social media. No, I'm sorry, that's

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Speaker 2: not good enough. Social media is how we do business,

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Speaker 2: it's how we communicate, particularly during a lockdown. Social media

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Speaker 2: is really important for a lot of people. You should

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Speaker 2: not have to get offline because you are being trolled.

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Speaker 2: We need to change the conversation. We need to be

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Speaker 2: saying to perpetrators, you will go to jail. You can

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Speaker 2: go to jail, you can be fined, you can be

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Speaker 2: sued for defamation hundreds and thousands of dollars. Well, this

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Speaker 2: conversation needs to change.

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Speaker 1: But also they're saying that maybe this is they think

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Speaker 1: that these people maybe have associations with the NRL.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, and that is appalling, but doesn't surprise me on

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Speaker 2: any level whatsoever. The amount of people that spew this

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Speaker 2: vile stuff out there is ridiculous, and there would be

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Speaker 2: people with connections to all walks of life that do

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Speaker 2: this kind of thing, And you need to be held accountable.

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Speaker 2: This will never stop. Trolling and bullying and the abuse

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Speaker 2: of people and mine will never stop unless people think

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Speaker 2: they will be accountable for their actions. And at the moment,

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Speaker 2: there are no laws that exist that help to make

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Speaker 2: people accountable for their actions when it comes to adults

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Speaker 2: and cyber believe it is someone someone on the phone

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Speaker 2: in the street. Absolutely, if someone sends you a text message.

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Speaker 2: I mean there are certain things like if it's repetitive

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Speaker 2: behavior that there's certain carrier services that you can go

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Speaker 2: to the law, but the laws do not exist. I

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Speaker 2: continually send to the Cyber Safety Commissioner. I'll send a

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Speaker 2: couple of emails to someone at the commission, not the

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Speaker 2: Commissioner themselves, with what I have received. And these are

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Speaker 2: things like your daughter will die, you should die. I

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Speaker 2: will ensure you and your daughter die. I get a callback. Unfortunately,

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Speaker 2: there's nothing that we have at the moment legally that

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Speaker 2: we can act on with this kind of stuff.

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Speaker 1: It is a problem.

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Speaker 2: Person police resources, you can, but it's you know, there's

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Speaker 2: certain things that need to be boxes that need to

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Speaker 2: be ticked, so it needs to be repetitive. So if

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Speaker 2: someone's just sent you a couple of messages, it doesn't

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Speaker 2: get classified under that the laws. At the moment I

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Speaker 2: went and saw the Communications Minister Paul Fletcher. He was

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Speaker 2: fantastic with Paul Conlin, a judge, and with Warren Mundine.

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Speaker 2: Now Warren Mundane was the head of the Labor Party.

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Speaker 2: He is a super strong person, so incredibly impressive. He

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Speaker 2: tried to take his own life because of trolling online.

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Speaker 2: He is not a snowflake. He is tough as nails.

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Speaker 2: This is the kind of impact, absolutely, this is the

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Speaker 2: impact it has on strong, tough people. Anthony Siebold is

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Speaker 2: strong and tough. I'm strong and tough. There's a lot

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Speaker 2: of people out there who were not strong and tough.

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Speaker 2: This is not about celebrities or high profile people. This

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Speaker 2: is about making the online for everyone. Absolutely, And I'm

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Speaker 2: sick of people telling victims to get off social media

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Speaker 2: or to ignore them. We need to have campaigns out

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Speaker 2: there that say to people, you can go to jail

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Speaker 2: if you make things up that ruin people's reputation, you

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Speaker 2: can go to jail if you threaten someone's life.

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Speaker 1: And even just to out them, not just but imagine

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Speaker 1: the outo of it would change the landscape.

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Speaker 2: Can I tell you there was young kids stealing drugs

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Speaker 2: they put about six of them on the front pages

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Speaker 2: of the paper, the Daily Telegraph. That is the best

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Speaker 2: thing they could have ever done. It was very controversial.

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Speaker 2: People said, oh, no, give them a second chance. They're

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Speaker 2: only young. How many young people do you think looked

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Speaker 2: at that and thought, my god, I could be on

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Speaker 2: the front page of the Daily Telegraph as a drug

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Speaker 2: dealer or a drug taker. If I do that, that

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Speaker 2: is a deterrent. Make them accountable. Make people think they'll

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Speaker 2: go to jail, think they'll have to pay. If every

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Speaker 2: if everyone who wrote something nasty on mind and not

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Speaker 2: just something critical, but something vile, threatening and nasty online

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Speaker 2: knew that his mother would see it, his wife would

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Speaker 2: see it, his boss would see it, they wouldn't write

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Speaker 2: it anymore. But nobody is accountable. And I know I'm

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Speaker 2: fired up about this. I get very passionate about it

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Speaker 2: because this has to be a line. In the same moment,

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Speaker 2: the enner rol should put its its massive weight behind

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Speaker 2: some kind of campaign and movement that changes the conversation

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Speaker 2: around this, so we're no longer looking at victims and saying, hey,

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Speaker 2: just lock them, just get offline. No, go away, that's

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Speaker 2: not right. Let's look at perpetrators. Let's scare the beef

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Speaker 2: out of perpetrators, because they need to know that there

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Speaker 2: are consequences in their actions. So let's make their big

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Speaker 2: consequences and then let's tell people about the consequences. Anyway,

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Speaker 2: Wonder Football, get about Heels Storm, Let's go at the Storm.

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Speaker 2: Cooper John's is debun, which is very exciting, obviously very

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Speaker 2: famous family. Panthers Sharks or go with the Sharks on

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Speaker 2: that one. Just fear Jonesy Broncos Dragon, Let's go with

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Speaker 2: the Broncho. You don't just go for the Sharks because

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Speaker 2: of me. No, I'm going for the Sharks because of you,

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Speaker 2: and also because I suspect they might win Foster at

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Speaker 2: some stage. Titans Raiders, of course, Raiders, West Tiger's Roosters.

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Speaker 2: Going with the Roosters even though they're very very down

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Speaker 2: on troops at the moment. But actually I've got a

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Speaker 2: good vibe. Look, Trent Robinson is the king of resting.

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Speaker 2: All those players will start to come back over the

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Speaker 2: next two or three weeks, and they will almost be

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Speaker 2: a benefit for them. I reckon having their players out.

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Speaker 2: Rabbit O Seagulls, rabbit O's I'm going for Bulldog's Warriors,

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Speaker 2: going for the Warriors, Knights and Cowboys go nights there.

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Speaker 1: It is a thank you and thank you for your passion.

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Speaker 1: We're not going to take it. We're accountable.

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Speaker 2: Everyone knows who we are, absolutely and we are held

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Speaker 2: to account, so we should be and everyone else, any

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Speaker 2: of us.

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Speaker 1: You say it to our faces.

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Speaker 2: And you can write something that people will see and

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Speaker 2: you walk away without any consequences. Enough good one, Join

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Speaker 2: the and Amanda in morning