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Speaker 1: We do know that residents in the waters Ward of

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Speaker 1: the council areas basically includes Karama, Malac, Moil and Eton.

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Speaker 1: We have heard on numerous occasions said it is a

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Speaker 1: bit of a crime hotspot. But we know that residents

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Speaker 1: there and indeed one of the councilors are calling for

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Speaker 1: a police station to be built in the area.

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Speaker 2: Now waters Ward Councilor.

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Speaker 1: Brian O'Gallagher is driving that campaign for a police station

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Speaker 1: to be established in either Karama or Malac.

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Speaker 2: And he joins me on the line. Right now, get

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Speaker 2: a Brian.

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Speaker 3: Get a Katie. How are you good?

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Speaker 1: Mate?

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Speaker 2: What's the situation in the waters Ward? Right now?

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Speaker 3: Look, waters Wards a quite covers about eight suburbs, but

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Speaker 3: basically a lot of those northern suburbs Karama, Malac, Moyl Manula, Wilagi, etc. Look,

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Speaker 3: residents are really really fed up. And you know, I

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Speaker 3: know crimes elsewhere, but this particular area for years, particularly

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Speaker 3: over the last five years, has really been suffering. And

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Speaker 3: I think my job is to represent residents. Right. I'm

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Speaker 3: on council and when I went to join council, I

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Speaker 3: said residence will be my boss. They'll be my boss.

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Speaker 3: So I'm just conveying the views of residence. That's what

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Speaker 3: of them, And it's not ALPCLP or anything like that.

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Speaker 3: It's just the residence and their concerns, and the biggest

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Speaker 3: concern they have is for their community safety and their

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Speaker 3: lifestyle being destroyed. I mean, there's so many break ins happening.

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Speaker 3: They won't go to their own shopping center, which even

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Speaker 3: people who only live two or three streets away, it's

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Speaker 3: here to go to Crama shopping center. Now, that's not

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Speaker 3: good for local businesses, that's not good for anyone because

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Speaker 3: they just don't feel safe. And you would have heard

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Speaker 3: many stories about the service station up there, the gang's

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Speaker 3: going in with knives and all that stuff. Then there's

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Speaker 3: all the drunken behavior in the streets and so on

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Speaker 3: at nighttime. People worried about their families, their kids. And

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Speaker 3: as I said, I think I put in the letter

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Speaker 3: to the editor, I know it's a complicated issue. It

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Speaker 3: can't be sold by one single thing. So there's got

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Speaker 3: to be long term, medium term and short term strategy.

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Speaker 3: In the long term, we've got to get the education right.

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Speaker 3: We understand all that. We've got to get the justice

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Speaker 3: system right. We've got to do that, but we also

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Speaker 3: need to fix the here and now and why I

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Speaker 3: say a station, that really means the permanent police presence,

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Speaker 3: the visibility of the police. People feel safer when they

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Speaker 1: Do you worry though exactly will you potentially end up

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Speaker 1: in a similar situation in what some residents are saying

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Speaker 1: in Nightcliffe right now, where there is a police station

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Speaker 1: there but they still don't feel as though it has

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Speaker 3: Well, I think it goes in parallel with the issue

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Speaker 3: of you've got to resource the police. Right. It's getting

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Speaker 3: the police there, and I think you're talking about the

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Speaker 3: attrition rates of the police, which is really eleven percent.

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Speaker 3: I mean, that's graceful, that's true, you know, so that's

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Speaker 3: got to be part of it. But people do feel

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Speaker 3: I you're going to spend it on bricks and water. Well,

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Speaker 3: they've got to stay somewhere. I was suggesting initially you

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Speaker 3: people can see the police. Right, you don't have to

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Speaker 3: go to the high end straight away. But we should

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Speaker 3: look at citing some permanent presence around Karma and Black

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Speaker 3: now and you know there's big issues. People are frustrated.

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Speaker 3: They see and I'm not trying to have a go

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Speaker 3: of the government directly, but you know they see money

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Speaker 3: goes in the shade, structures that don't work, and money

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Speaker 3: being spelled spend elsewhere. Maybe they should be focusing on

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Speaker 1: Brian, I've got a message from a listener here saying, hey, KD,

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Speaker 1: it'd be great if you could please ask Brian what

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Speaker 3: Yeah. I've had a number of concerns of residents. They

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Speaker 4: It's got to be looked at and it's going to

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Speaker 3: You just drop stuff on they're going to be very concerned.

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Speaker 3: But that is an issue, and I appreciate where they're

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Speaker 3: News they quoted one of the ladies on a she's

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Speaker 3: all that stuff. But that's just ridiculous.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Well, look, some of this intimate that we're seeing this

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Speaker 1: morning on the tech sign is you can build police stations,

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Speaker 1: but if you don't have police to fill them, it's

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Speaker 1: the points as well that even if it's a mobile policeman,

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Speaker 3: I mean, why we say a station that can be

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Speaker 3: a longer term thing. If people actually see police walking around,

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Speaker 3: they feel safer. The police actually instill confidence that things

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Speaker 3: right I think they're under resource. They need to be

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Speaker 3: better resourced, and we need to address this but let's

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Speaker 3: do it now, because people at long term residents are

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Speaker 3: actually looking to pack up and go. They're set up

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Speaker 1: Brian tell us, you know you've said there that there's

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Speaker 1: one lady who's obviously been in contact. She's also spoken

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Speaker 1: For those that don't live in the area, what are

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Speaker 1: the kind of issues that you're dealing with.

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Speaker 3: Oh, look, I think there's drunken behavior in the streets

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Speaker 3: and violence or around there's criminal behavior, break ins and

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Speaker 3: all that houses have been broken into all the time.

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Speaker 3: You can't go up to the shops without being watching

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Speaker 3: out for gangs or any social behavior humbugging you, and

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Speaker 3: people feel quite unsafely in that environment too. One of

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Speaker 3: the big issues I guess around Karma and Malac is

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Speaker 3: the over density of public housing. And look, I'm all

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Speaker 3: a seventy year waiting list, But there are issues in

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Speaker 3: public housing policy about saying there is community acceptable behavior

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Speaker 3: and it needs to be enforced and if you don't

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Speaker 3: do it out and I'm sorry if people don't like

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Speaker 3: that message, but we've got to send that message. You know,

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Speaker 3: you can't have houses being run as drug houses. You

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Speaker 3: can't have houses that have been reported for the police

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Speaker 3: thirty times in twenty days in Song because of violence

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Speaker 3: and all that, because you're disturbing the whole neighborhood.

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Speaker 2: And Brian, do you reckon that's happening?

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Speaker 1: Do you reckon You've got a situation where in some

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Speaker 1: of these public housing homes you've got people dealing drugs.

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Speaker 3: Oh? Absolutely, wow, Yeah, I have no fear and I'm

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Speaker 3: sure for police know that too. You know, you know,

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Speaker 3: I'll have reasons to say, look, they could coming through

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Speaker 3: all the time they're going in there. And also but

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Speaker 3: it's the violence and the domestic violence going on and

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Speaker 3: the swearing current which CODs the whole neighborhood. Now, sometimes

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Speaker 3: I think they should look at this getting a wider issue.

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Speaker 3: And I've had the same discussions with Narry a kid,

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Speaker 3: and you know, you've got to talk to the government

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Speaker 3: of day and Larry has been very good in this thing.

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Speaker 3: And I've taken a number of residents with their concerns

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Speaker 3: directly to her because you know, council doesn't run the police.

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Speaker 3: We don't run public housing, so you've got to deal

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Speaker 3: with the part of government does. And yeah, they're really

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Speaker 3: really concerned.

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Speaker 1: Brian. Before I let you go, I understand that you

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Speaker 1: have got a petition going to help establish a station.

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Speaker 1: How can people get involved? And have you had many

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Speaker 1: people sign it so far?

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Speaker 3: Well, I've only just launched it, and yes I've got

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Speaker 3: and I'll be going around. But I did put in

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Speaker 3: the letter to the editor. If they come to my

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Speaker 3: council email, which is Brian dot O Gallagher O G

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Speaker 3: A W L A G A j A at Darwin

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Speaker 3: dot NT dot gov dot au, if they contact me

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Speaker 3: there and I'll be broadcasting. I'll get it out to

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Speaker 3: them personally so they can sign it. And I also

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Speaker 3: people can sign there, because what I want to do

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Speaker 3: is say this isn't just Brian himself, Yeah, this is

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Speaker 3: actually the residence asking for this.

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Speaker 4: Right.

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Speaker 1: Well, Brian, we really appreciate your time this morning. We

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Speaker 1: are going to have to leave it there.

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Speaker 3: Thank you, mate.

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Speaker 1: We have got lots of this morning. We are going

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Speaker 1: to have to leave it there. Thank you so very

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Speaker 1: much for your time