1 00:00:01,200 --> 00:00:03,520 Speaker 1: My name is Lily Maddon and I'm a proud Arunda 2 00:00:03,760 --> 00:00:08,520 Speaker 1: Bungelung Cargoton woman from Gadighl Country. The Daily oz acknowledges 3 00:00:08,600 --> 00:00:10,800 Speaker 1: that this podcast is recorded on the lands of the 4 00:00:10,800 --> 00:00:14,360 Speaker 1: Gadighl people and pays respect to all Aboriginal and Torres 5 00:00:14,360 --> 00:00:17,279 Speaker 1: Strait Island and nations. We pay our respects to the 6 00:00:17,320 --> 00:00:20,079 Speaker 1: first peoples of these countries, both past and present. 7 00:00:24,920 --> 00:00:27,280 Speaker 2: Good morning and welcome to the Daily os It is 8 00:00:27,320 --> 00:00:28,440 Speaker 2: the fifth of October. 9 00:00:28,600 --> 00:00:31,640 Speaker 3: I am Billy, I'm Sam. Happy birthday to my darling mother. 10 00:00:32,000 --> 00:00:33,000 Speaker 2: Happy birthday, Nikki. 11 00:00:33,240 --> 00:00:36,000 Speaker 3: There's big news out of the US. For the first 12 00:00:36,000 --> 00:00:39,239 Speaker 3: time in its history, the House Speaker has been ousted. 13 00:00:39,840 --> 00:00:41,880 Speaker 3: So who is the House Speaker, why is it such 14 00:00:41,880 --> 00:00:44,760 Speaker 3: big news, and what does this actually mean. We're going 15 00:00:44,840 --> 00:00:46,000 Speaker 3: to tell you all of that and do a bit 16 00:00:46,040 --> 00:00:48,400 Speaker 3: of a deep dive into the drama of US politics 17 00:00:48,400 --> 00:00:51,600 Speaker 3: in today's Deep Dive. But first, Billy, what is making 18 00:00:51,600 --> 00:00:52,600 Speaker 3: headlines this morning? 19 00:00:52,880 --> 00:00:55,920 Speaker 2: The federal government has announced a new crackdown on Australia's 20 00:00:56,000 --> 00:00:59,520 Speaker 2: visit system. It comes after an independent report fan flaws 21 00:00:59,560 --> 00:01:03,000 Speaker 2: in the microation system have allowed for criminal exploitation of 22 00:01:03,040 --> 00:01:07,040 Speaker 2: international students and other migrants. The government will now create 23 00:01:07,080 --> 00:01:11,360 Speaker 2: a permanent visa exploitation operation and increased fines for unlawful 24 00:01:11,400 --> 00:01:12,600 Speaker 2: immigration assistance. 25 00:01:14,120 --> 00:01:16,360 Speaker 3: At least twenty one people have been killed after a 26 00:01:16,400 --> 00:01:19,440 Speaker 3: bus fell from a bridge in Venice, Italy. The bus 27 00:01:19,520 --> 00:01:22,039 Speaker 3: is believed to have been carrying tourists to a campsite 28 00:01:22,040 --> 00:01:25,280 Speaker 3: when it crashed near railway tracks off and overpass. The 29 00:01:25,280 --> 00:01:28,479 Speaker 3: mayor of Venice described the crash scene as apocalyptic, while 30 00:01:28,560 --> 00:01:32,080 Speaker 3: authorities warned the death hole could rise. Two children were 31 00:01:32,080 --> 00:01:34,240 Speaker 3: among those killed in the crash. 32 00:01:34,440 --> 00:01:37,960 Speaker 2: Tasmania's former Attorney General, Elise Archer has announced she will 33 00:01:38,040 --> 00:01:41,160 Speaker 2: leave parliament, ending speculation the state could be headed for 34 00:01:41,200 --> 00:01:45,360 Speaker 2: an early election. Tasmanian Premier Jeremy Rockcliffe called for Archer's 35 00:01:45,400 --> 00:01:48,720 Speaker 2: resignation on Friday after learning of bullying allegations and text 36 00:01:48,800 --> 00:01:53,040 Speaker 2: messages sent by Archer, which he described as unacceptable. Rockliffe 37 00:01:53,040 --> 00:01:55,840 Speaker 2: had said an early election would be called if Archer 38 00:01:55,880 --> 00:01:58,640 Speaker 2: wouldn't guarantee support for the government in parliament. 39 00:01:59,600 --> 00:02:02,240 Speaker 3: And today good news. Can you smell that, Billy? No, 40 00:02:02,440 --> 00:02:05,520 Speaker 3: it's officially fat bear with in the US, and that 41 00:02:05,640 --> 00:02:09,160 Speaker 3: is when Americans celebrate Alaskan Brown Bear's efforts to chunk 42 00:02:09,240 --> 00:02:13,520 Speaker 3: up on salmon before the winter hibernation. Katmai National Park 43 00:02:13,600 --> 00:02:16,080 Speaker 3: is home to hundreds of bears, and since twenty fourteen, 44 00:02:16,360 --> 00:02:19,800 Speaker 3: park rangers have dedicated an online poll to twelve of 45 00:02:19,880 --> 00:02:22,640 Speaker 3: the biggest and best. The public now get to have 46 00:02:22,720 --> 00:02:25,519 Speaker 3: their say on their favorite. I remember last year it 47 00:02:25,560 --> 00:02:28,240 Speaker 3: was a big story for US. Bear seven four seven, 48 00:02:28,560 --> 00:02:32,160 Speaker 3: otherwise known as baar Force one, claims top spot as 49 00:02:32,200 --> 00:02:35,520 Speaker 3: twenty twenty two's fattest bear. We've currently got a photo 50 00:02:35,680 --> 00:02:38,560 Speaker 3: of bare Force one over on our Instagram stories. Check 51 00:02:38,600 --> 00:02:38,840 Speaker 3: it out. 52 00:02:42,840 --> 00:02:46,120 Speaker 2: Okay, Sam, So today we're talking about the chaos that 53 00:02:46,160 --> 00:02:48,960 Speaker 2: has unfolded in the US after the Speaker of the 54 00:02:49,000 --> 00:02:52,080 Speaker 2: House was ousted for the first time in its history. 55 00:02:52,720 --> 00:02:54,880 Speaker 2: There really is never a dull day in US politics. 56 00:02:54,880 --> 00:02:55,600 Speaker 3: I keep it fresh. 57 00:02:55,720 --> 00:02:58,959 Speaker 2: It's a really big development. But before we explain exactly 58 00:02:59,000 --> 00:03:01,120 Speaker 2: what has gone on this week, can you first just 59 00:03:01,160 --> 00:03:03,240 Speaker 2: explain what is the role of the speaker? 60 00:03:03,520 --> 00:03:03,720 Speaker 1: Well? 61 00:03:03,800 --> 00:03:06,240 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it's important to cover off right at 62 00:03:06,240 --> 00:03:08,400 Speaker 3: the beginning because this is not a term that we're 63 00:03:08,440 --> 00:03:11,280 Speaker 3: super used to hearing in the headlines. Well, sometimes there 64 00:03:11,320 --> 00:03:14,320 Speaker 3: are more famous speakers than others, But essentially, the House 65 00:03:14,360 --> 00:03:17,880 Speaker 3: Speaker is the presiding officer of the House, and that 66 00:03:17,960 --> 00:03:20,240 Speaker 3: means that their role is to maintain order of the 67 00:03:20,240 --> 00:03:22,640 Speaker 3: House of Representatives. So in the US Capitol, you've got 68 00:03:22,639 --> 00:03:24,880 Speaker 3: the House of Reps and the Senate, and the House 69 00:03:24,880 --> 00:03:27,600 Speaker 3: of Reps is where things get debated, and there's all 70 00:03:27,639 --> 00:03:30,560 Speaker 3: these funny proceedings and lots of official stuff, and the 71 00:03:30,600 --> 00:03:33,840 Speaker 3: Speaker basically looks over all of it. And it's technically 72 00:03:33,880 --> 00:03:36,320 Speaker 3: an impartial role. And what I mean by that is 73 00:03:36,360 --> 00:03:39,280 Speaker 3: the speakers meant to treat both sides, so Republicans and 74 00:03:39,360 --> 00:03:43,520 Speaker 3: Democrats equally, regardless of which party they're from. But then 75 00:03:43,560 --> 00:03:46,800 Speaker 3: they also act as the leader of the majority party 76 00:03:46,840 --> 00:03:49,440 Speaker 3: in the House. So whichever party has the most members 77 00:03:49,520 --> 00:03:52,240 Speaker 3: in the House of Reps, their leader is the Speaker 78 00:03:52,240 --> 00:03:55,119 Speaker 3: of the House, and at the moment it's the Republicans 79 00:03:55,160 --> 00:03:58,160 Speaker 3: who are in the majority in the House. Before that, 80 00:03:58,320 --> 00:04:01,320 Speaker 3: though you might remember Nancy Pulla, she was the most 81 00:04:01,360 --> 00:04:04,600 Speaker 3: recent speaker before Kevin McCarthy took over in January of 82 00:04:04,640 --> 00:04:07,120 Speaker 3: this year, so Nancy Pelosi was the Speaker and the 83 00:04:07,160 --> 00:04:09,840 Speaker 3: Democrats held the majority. Then we had the midterm elections, 84 00:04:09,880 --> 00:04:12,600 Speaker 3: the Republicans won control of the House and they elected 85 00:04:12,680 --> 00:04:13,400 Speaker 3: Kevin McCarthy. 86 00:04:13,680 --> 00:04:16,440 Speaker 2: And I haven't heard actually too much about Kevin McCarthy 87 00:04:16,480 --> 00:04:19,919 Speaker 2: since he became speaker. Who is he? I do remember 88 00:04:20,000 --> 00:04:23,480 Speaker 2: that it was quite controversial when he became speaker earlier 89 00:04:23,480 --> 00:04:24,000 Speaker 2: this year. 90 00:04:23,920 --> 00:04:27,839 Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, so he's been representing a central Californian electorate 91 00:04:27,920 --> 00:04:30,279 Speaker 3: since two thousand and six. He's a Republican, as we 92 00:04:30,360 --> 00:04:33,320 Speaker 3: know by now. He was elected speaker after the twenty 93 00:04:33,360 --> 00:04:36,600 Speaker 3: twenty two mid terms, which saw the Republicans take control. 94 00:04:36,800 --> 00:04:39,080 Speaker 3: But as he said, it was quite controversial, and the 95 00:04:39,120 --> 00:04:41,960 Speaker 3: reason it was controversial was because it actually took fifteen 96 00:04:42,200 --> 00:04:45,000 Speaker 3: rounds of voting for him to gain enough support in 97 00:04:45,040 --> 00:04:47,440 Speaker 3: his own party to be elected. And that was the 98 00:04:47,480 --> 00:04:50,279 Speaker 3: longest contest America had seen in one hundred and sixty 99 00:04:50,360 --> 00:04:53,160 Speaker 3: years for the position. And the reason that that was 100 00:04:53,200 --> 00:04:55,599 Speaker 3: such a hard vote for McCarthy to get over the 101 00:04:55,680 --> 00:04:58,440 Speaker 3: line was because a group of hard right members in 102 00:04:58,480 --> 00:05:02,520 Speaker 3: the Republican Party Party, including a man named Matt Gates, 103 00:05:02,600 --> 00:05:04,200 Speaker 3: pushed back on his election. 104 00:05:04,600 --> 00:05:06,159 Speaker 2: It's all coming back to me now, I think I 105 00:05:06,200 --> 00:05:08,760 Speaker 2: remember those fifteen rounds of voting kind of felt like 106 00:05:08,800 --> 00:05:11,080 Speaker 2: the first big story of twenty twenty. 107 00:05:10,800 --> 00:05:12,960 Speaker 3: Three, and it was like a three am election. 108 00:05:13,200 --> 00:05:16,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, and so he had quite a controversial start and 109 00:05:16,880 --> 00:05:20,039 Speaker 2: now it sounds like a very controversial end to his position. 110 00:05:20,279 --> 00:05:20,479 Speaker 1: Yeah. 111 00:05:20,480 --> 00:05:22,760 Speaker 3: Well, I mean hopefully for him, he's kind of seen 112 00:05:22,800 --> 00:05:24,360 Speaker 3: it as a good time, not a long time, because 113 00:05:24,360 --> 00:05:26,560 Speaker 3: it hasn't been very long. So now, as we said, 114 00:05:26,600 --> 00:05:29,680 Speaker 3: he's become the first speaker in US history to be ousted. 115 00:05:30,240 --> 00:05:33,120 Speaker 3: So on Monday, Gates, who's the guy who was kind 116 00:05:33,120 --> 00:05:36,280 Speaker 3: of leading that hard right rebellion against McCarthy that made 117 00:05:36,279 --> 00:05:39,080 Speaker 3: it so hard for him to get the position, filed 118 00:05:39,120 --> 00:05:42,160 Speaker 3: a motion to vacate the speaker's position, and what that 119 00:05:42,240 --> 00:05:44,359 Speaker 3: meant was the House was then forced to vote on 120 00:05:44,400 --> 00:05:47,960 Speaker 3: whether or not to keep McCarthy. That all happened on Monday. 121 00:05:48,360 --> 00:05:51,640 Speaker 3: By Tuesday, Democrats who were in the House agreed to 122 00:05:51,760 --> 00:05:54,400 Speaker 3: vote with Gates, and what that meant was that Gates 123 00:05:54,440 --> 00:05:57,479 Speaker 3: only needed to convince a couple more Republicans to side 124 00:05:57,480 --> 00:06:00,359 Speaker 3: with him against McCarthy to actually pass the vote through. 125 00:06:00,800 --> 00:06:04,159 Speaker 3: And that vote happened yesterday and McCarthy's no more. 126 00:06:04,640 --> 00:06:07,400 Speaker 2: Okay, So I understand how this happened, But what you 127 00:06:07,480 --> 00:06:10,359 Speaker 2: haven't explained yet is why did this happen? 128 00:06:10,520 --> 00:06:12,640 Speaker 3: I think America is trying to really answer this question 129 00:06:12,760 --> 00:06:16,400 Speaker 3: as well. So Gates moved against McCarthy after he worked 130 00:06:16,400 --> 00:06:19,320 Speaker 3: with the Democrats. To remember, McCarthy's a Republican, he worked 131 00:06:19,320 --> 00:06:22,240 Speaker 3: with the party that he's not from last week to 132 00:06:22,320 --> 00:06:25,400 Speaker 3: pass a bill to prevent a total government shutdown. So 133 00:06:25,400 --> 00:06:28,159 Speaker 3: some quick context here. Last week, there was nearly a 134 00:06:28,160 --> 00:06:30,599 Speaker 3: government shutdown in the US, and that would have meant 135 00:06:30,680 --> 00:06:34,080 Speaker 3: that all government operations would have been suspended and government 136 00:06:34,080 --> 00:06:37,640 Speaker 3: employees wouldn't have gotten paid until Congress could agree on 137 00:06:37,760 --> 00:06:41,040 Speaker 3: how money would be spent in the future. That was 138 00:06:41,080 --> 00:06:43,880 Speaker 3: all avoided. We didn't have that shutdown, and it was 139 00:06:43,960 --> 00:06:47,720 Speaker 3: partly because McCarthy worked on a bill with the Democrats 140 00:06:47,760 --> 00:06:49,719 Speaker 3: to keep it open. There's this phrase of you know, 141 00:06:49,760 --> 00:06:53,160 Speaker 3: he worked across the aisle, and McCarthy actually recognized at 142 00:06:53,200 --> 00:06:55,320 Speaker 3: the time that this could result in the challenge to 143 00:06:55,360 --> 00:06:58,200 Speaker 3: his leadership by his own party. But he actually said, 144 00:06:58,400 --> 00:07:00,440 Speaker 3: if someone wants to make a motion again against me, 145 00:07:00,640 --> 00:07:03,120 Speaker 3: bring it. There has to be an adult in the room. 146 00:07:03,560 --> 00:07:06,520 Speaker 2: Okay, So they brought it. But what I'm confused about 147 00:07:06,600 --> 00:07:10,280 Speaker 2: is if the Democrats worked with McCarthy on avoiding a shutdown, 148 00:07:10,720 --> 00:07:13,440 Speaker 2: why did they then vote to remove him as speaker. 149 00:07:13,680 --> 00:07:16,360 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a little bit kind of Frenemi zone this one. 150 00:07:16,480 --> 00:07:19,880 Speaker 3: So they've talked about a whole different reasons for their decision, 151 00:07:20,040 --> 00:07:22,080 Speaker 3: But the first thing to say is just because he 152 00:07:22,160 --> 00:07:25,400 Speaker 3: worked with the Democrats on avoiding that government shutdown last 153 00:07:25,400 --> 00:07:29,000 Speaker 3: week definitely does not mean that they've always worked collaboratively. 154 00:07:29,840 --> 00:07:31,880 Speaker 3: In fact, if you go back a couple of weeks, 155 00:07:32,040 --> 00:07:34,480 Speaker 3: it was actually McCarthy who was the one who ordered 156 00:07:34,520 --> 00:07:38,560 Speaker 3: the impeachment inquiry into President Joe Biden, who is a Democrat, 157 00:07:38,960 --> 00:07:42,120 Speaker 3: in regards to claims surrounding Biden's involvement in his son 158 00:07:42,240 --> 00:07:45,800 Speaker 3: Hunter Biden's business dealings, as well as all of that. 159 00:07:45,960 --> 00:07:49,360 Speaker 3: According to The New York Times, McCarthy has this reputation 160 00:07:49,600 --> 00:07:52,400 Speaker 3: as someone who has had so many different promises to 161 00:07:52,480 --> 00:07:56,400 Speaker 3: so many different people that his word is meaningless. One 162 00:07:56,440 --> 00:08:00,000 Speaker 3: Democratic representative actually said, I think he's likely the most 163 00:08:00,120 --> 00:08:03,840 Speaker 3: unprincipled person to ever be Speaker of the House. So 164 00:08:03,880 --> 00:08:07,040 Speaker 3: the Democrats have kind of painted this picture of McCarthy 165 00:08:07,120 --> 00:08:10,880 Speaker 3: as untrustworthy. But more than that, they're painting a picture 166 00:08:10,920 --> 00:08:13,520 Speaker 3: of the Republicans as a party in di surray and 167 00:08:13,800 --> 00:08:17,280 Speaker 3: party that can't work collaboratively together. So there's no clear 168 00:08:17,360 --> 00:08:20,200 Speaker 3: path in their eyes with McCarthy as the speaker. 169 00:08:20,400 --> 00:08:22,960 Speaker 2: Right. And how has McCarthy responded. 170 00:08:22,600 --> 00:08:24,600 Speaker 3: To all of this, Well, he's not a happy chappie 171 00:08:24,720 --> 00:08:27,360 Speaker 3: about all of his I know he's confirms that he 172 00:08:27,440 --> 00:08:30,280 Speaker 3: won't be running for speaker again because remember, now that 173 00:08:30,320 --> 00:08:33,240 Speaker 3: the seat's been vacated, they need a new speaker. And 174 00:08:33,280 --> 00:08:36,199 Speaker 3: he essentially really disagrees with what's happened, and as you 175 00:08:36,240 --> 00:08:40,720 Speaker 3: can imagine, is far from impressed. He told reporters, unfortunately, 176 00:08:40,840 --> 00:08:43,480 Speaker 3: four percent of our party can join all the Democrats 177 00:08:43,520 --> 00:08:46,200 Speaker 3: and dictate who can be speaker in the House. I 178 00:08:46,240 --> 00:08:48,560 Speaker 3: don't think that rule is good for the institution, but 179 00:08:48,640 --> 00:08:50,240 Speaker 3: apparently I'm the only one. 180 00:08:50,440 --> 00:08:52,480 Speaker 2: And so where does all of this leave us? What 181 00:08:52,600 --> 00:08:53,320 Speaker 2: happens next? 182 00:08:53,600 --> 00:08:56,559 Speaker 3: So the speaker's chair is empty, and next week Republicans 183 00:08:56,559 --> 00:08:58,760 Speaker 3: will all get in a room to discuss who the 184 00:08:58,800 --> 00:09:01,600 Speaker 3: new nominee for the role should be. If all the 185 00:09:01,640 --> 00:09:04,559 Speaker 3: Republicans agree on a nominee, then that person will be 186 00:09:04,640 --> 00:09:07,560 Speaker 3: the one elected as speaker, because Republicans control the House. 187 00:09:08,040 --> 00:09:12,559 Speaker 3: But we can see situations like with McCarthy only in January, 188 00:09:12,679 --> 00:09:14,400 Speaker 3: where there's a bit of a ballot in the House 189 00:09:14,400 --> 00:09:17,160 Speaker 3: when there's a couple of challenges. There aren't any clear 190 00:09:17,200 --> 00:09:20,880 Speaker 3: front runners yet though Matt Gates, he's the guy who 191 00:09:21,040 --> 00:09:24,079 Speaker 3: led the charge against McCarthy, has indicated that the speaker 192 00:09:24,160 --> 00:09:27,080 Speaker 3: doesn't necessarily need to be a member of the House. 193 00:09:27,360 --> 00:09:29,920 Speaker 2: Wait, that's confusing. What do you mean it doesn't need 194 00:09:29,960 --> 00:09:31,199 Speaker 2: to be a member of the House. 195 00:09:31,280 --> 00:09:33,559 Speaker 3: I was also confused by this, and I went did 196 00:09:33,600 --> 00:09:36,520 Speaker 3: some digging with the team and tried to really dissect this. 197 00:09:36,960 --> 00:09:39,920 Speaker 3: So get this, this is super weird. Historically, the House 198 00:09:39,920 --> 00:09:42,680 Speaker 3: has always elected someone in the House as its own speaker, 199 00:09:43,240 --> 00:09:46,560 Speaker 3: but the US Constitution doesn't actually say that the job 200 00:09:46,679 --> 00:09:48,840 Speaker 3: has to go to an elected member of the House. 201 00:09:49,280 --> 00:09:53,679 Speaker 3: It could be you know, Kanye West. Teams unlikely, it 202 00:09:53,720 --> 00:09:56,520 Speaker 3: could be anyone. And interestingly, though on a serious note, 203 00:09:56,520 --> 00:10:00,280 Speaker 3: in January, Matt Gates voted for former US President Ronald 204 00:10:00,360 --> 00:10:03,360 Speaker 3: Trump during multiple rounds of voting for the speakership, and 205 00:10:03,400 --> 00:10:06,000 Speaker 3: Trump was not in the House at the time. I 206 00:10:06,000 --> 00:10:07,880 Speaker 3: don't know how likely it is that we'll see Trump 207 00:10:07,880 --> 00:10:09,920 Speaker 3: in the chair anytime soon. He's got a couple of 208 00:10:10,000 --> 00:10:12,720 Speaker 3: lawsuits at the moment, but we will see a new 209 00:10:12,760 --> 00:10:14,520 Speaker 3: Republican in the next couple of days. 210 00:10:14,760 --> 00:10:17,200 Speaker 2: As I said at the start, never a dull day 211 00:10:17,280 --> 00:10:20,760 Speaker 2: in US politics, what a country. We will keep you updated. 212 00:10:21,800 --> 00:10:24,080 Speaker 2: Thank you so much for joining us on the Daily OZ. 213 00:10:24,120 --> 00:10:26,839 Speaker 2: If you learn anything from today's episode, don't forget to 214 00:10:26,920 --> 00:10:29,679 Speaker 2: hit subscribe so there's a TDA episode waiting for you 215 00:10:29,800 --> 00:10:33,080 Speaker 2: every morning. Sam and Zara will be back tomorrow, but 216 00:10:33,240 --> 00:10:34,640 Speaker 2: until then, have a great day.