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Speaker 1: Jonesy and Amanda in the morning.

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Speaker 2: So the hashtag black Lives Matter broke the internet yesterday

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Speaker 2: and everywhere you went. And I was watching the news,

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Speaker 2: watching the TV, and I was just extraordinary, just what's

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Speaker 2: happening in the world at the moment. And I noticed

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Speaker 2: that some people, as I was going on the internet

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Speaker 2: were saying, well, don't all lives matter? And I'm thinking, well,

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Speaker 2: of course they do. All lives matter, but right now

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Speaker 2: for people of color, they are the global focus. And

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Speaker 2: the reason I say this because I was looking at it.

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Speaker 2: I was looking at like how over the world in

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Speaker 2: America people saying, well, when the police approached me, I

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Speaker 2: have to do a certain thing, I have to behave

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Speaker 2: a certain way. It's different for us as white people

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Speaker 2: when we get pulled up by the coppers. We don't

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Speaker 2: have to worry that we're not going to be spreading

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Speaker 2: good on the ground. And it happens here on Astraight

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Speaker 2: with indigenous folks here, and that's just a part of it,

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Speaker 2: from law enforcement to not getting adequate health or education opportunity.

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Speaker 2: So right now, black lives do matter.

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Speaker 1: And as a.

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Speaker 2: White person who's fifty two, there'll be a moment when

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Speaker 2: the penny drops about the plight of black people and

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Speaker 2: for white Australia, the treatment of Indigenous people, and my

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Speaker 2: penny dropped. In twenty sixteen the viewing of the SBS

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Speaker 2: show First Contact, and that show changed everything I thought

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Speaker 2: I knew about Indigenous Australia and that penny was like

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Speaker 2: an anvil hitting a metal floor. It was, and watching

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Speaker 2: that show it changed my life. I was like blind

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Speaker 2: and then it was a miracle I could see.

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Speaker 3: I remember this because you'd also you lived in Karafa,

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Speaker 3: You'd lived in the Pilbra in a region where a

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Speaker 3: lot of Indigenous people, and yet this show was a

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Speaker 3: thing that really, as you say, changed how you felt

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Speaker 3: about a lot of things. You were very I remember

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Speaker 3: you were very very.

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Speaker 2: I had a visceral reaction to each show and I

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Speaker 2: didn't I didn't know what was going to happen. It

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Speaker 2: just I remember starting to talk about it at the time,

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Speaker 2: and the show First Contact had had celebrities on there,

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Speaker 2: and particularly David Oldfield was on the show. And it's

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Speaker 2: about white Australia going to Aboriginal communities and these are

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Speaker 2: people that are I kind of describe what these people are.

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Speaker 2: They have their own views about Indigenous Australia. But as

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Speaker 2: I was watching the show, the epiphany it just dropped.

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Speaker 2: It was just it was extraordinary.

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Speaker 4: I remember, have you been watching First Contact on SBS.

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Speaker 3: I'm going to watch that entire series in my holidays.

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Speaker 1: I've been, I've followed on social media. Last night, I

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Speaker 1: wasn't able to watch it.

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Speaker 3: It's raising a lot of anger in people, the situations.

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Speaker 3: It's an interesting thing, that first Contact. It seems to

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Speaker 3: be on one hand, it's white Australia's first contact with

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Speaker 3: this indigenous life.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: I started watching it and I thought I knew a

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Speaker 4: lot about regional Australia.

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Speaker 1: Because I've lived in a lot.

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Speaker 4: Of remote communities in Western Australia and I've seen Indigenous

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Speaker 4: communities up close, and I have my own opinions.

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Speaker 1: Back in the nineties, all of the celebrities have.

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Speaker 4: Little to do with Aboriginal Australian So they go on

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Speaker 4: this journey and they all have an epiphany. Although I

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Speaker 4: did find David Oldfield to be the most offensive.

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Speaker 1: Within seconds of arriving in.

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Speaker 4: A lady's house in the small town of Elliott in

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Speaker 4: the Northern Territory, he starts berating her about the.

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Speaker 1: Rubbish that she's got around the place.

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Speaker 4: So he's pretty much insulting her about how she's got

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Speaker 4: garbage all around it, how she's got like twenty five

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Speaker 4: people living in this four bedroom house with one toilet.

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Speaker 4: But I think the most offensive thing he did was

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Speaker 4: question the validity of the stories of two men who

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Speaker 4: were talking about their experiences with being taken away from

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Speaker 4: their families. And he's one of those guys that still

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Speaker 4: in that mind that we don't need to apologize for

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Speaker 4: the stolen generation. So they divided up the ladies who

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Speaker 4: are the celebrities and set them down to Kodamundra to

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Speaker 4: talk to some ladies from the stolen generation who gave

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Speaker 4: some amazing stories about how they were taken from their parents,

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Speaker 4: from good homes.

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Speaker 1: One of the ladies.

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Speaker 4: Her father was a rat of de Brook, fought for

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Speaker 4: this country and mother was working.

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Speaker 1: Dad's working. This was even stamped on the government papers.

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Speaker 4: Comes from a good home, still taken away from her family,

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Speaker 4: you know, just caught up in the bureaucracy.

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Speaker 1: And so David Oldfield goes to Kempsy.

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Speaker 4: With Tico and Tom Ballada and they talk about these

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Speaker 4: two guys that were taken away to the house and

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Speaker 4: they were put in a place in Kempsey and horrible

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Speaker 4: stories of abuse.

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Speaker 2: So after all of this, after all of this, David

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Speaker 2: Oldfield is still questioning the validity of their stories.

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Speaker 5: Then you really think it's evidence, I think in the

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Speaker 5: absence of anything else, Yes, taking someone face value, his evidence,

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Speaker 5: taking from someone who's clearly suffering from such brutal I'm

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Speaker 5: not disbelieving. I'm not disbelieving.

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Speaker 4: There's a lot of confusion about what's taken place here.

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Speaker 1: I think he's just been abtuse. I think he's just

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Speaker 1: doing it for attention that we do.

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Speaker 3: You think he was a politician, He certainly doesn't represent me.

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Speaker 4: You know. I used to think like David Oldfield, you know,

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Speaker 4: and as I said, I lived in remote Western Australia

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Speaker 4: and I was there in nineteen ninety in places like

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Speaker 4: South Headland where you've got black Fellow bar and white

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Speaker 4: Fella bar, and you know, I used to think like that.

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Speaker 1: I used to think, I want it, used to let

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Speaker 1: them go out of the community and go.

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Speaker 4: Back to their old ways. The thing is they can't

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Speaker 4: go back to their old ways. We took them away.

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Speaker 3: And also, this is the world's oldest civilization. Why don't

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Speaker 3: we take pride in that?

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Speaker 1: I know, and I just.

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Speaker 4: I feel so guilty and I'm white Australian, but I'm

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Speaker 4: sorry as hell.

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Speaker 1: I'm sorry.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I can see you crying.

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Speaker 2: Now, Well, that was my epiphany. And I remember the

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Speaker 2: time Current Affair wanted me to debate with David Oldfel.

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Speaker 2: I said, when did empathy become a debate?

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Speaker 3: There's no debate. And you know what, even if you

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Speaker 3: if you haven't had an epiphany, I saw something yesterday

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Speaker 3: that said, I understand that I'll never understand. However, I

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Speaker 3: stand with you. This is you know. And I saw

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Speaker 3: Barack Obama yesterday the things he said, because everyone says

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Speaker 3: love will fix this, what does that mean? Barack Obama

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Speaker 3: was saying, we need to look at our politicians. We

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Speaker 3: need to look at the choices we make. Who are

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Speaker 3: our elected officials on every level state government, all our

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Speaker 3: levels here of the decisions that are made on our behalf,

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Speaker 3: how we choose to go forward. And good on your

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Speaker 3: Brandon for just speaking so honestly about that.

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Speaker 1: Jonesy and Amanda in Good Morning