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Speaker 1: Powered by the iHeartRadio app from ninety six AIRVM to

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Speaker 2: This is Clearzy and Lisa's podcast. Coming up on the

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Speaker 2: podcast today, we talked to Alison Fan about the Killer

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Speaker 2: among Us documentary.

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Speaker 3: We also talked about Black Friday sales. You hear all

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Speaker 3: about that with the new phenomenon.

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Speaker 2: And when have you accidentally flashed someone? Sorry, riddle me this, Stenclairs.

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Speaker 2: When did Black Friday sales become bigger than Boxing Day sales?

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Speaker 2: It's just flipped or ender financial year. Yeah, I mean

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Speaker 2: this is another well, it's another American thing.

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Speaker 4: It is.

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Speaker 2: Black Friday is the colloquial term for the Friday after

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Speaker 2: Thanksgiving in the United States. Start rearing your own turkeys.

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Speaker 2: We're be doing that next, give me we want to

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Speaker 2: be a pilgrim. It traditionally marks the start of the

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Speaker 2: Christmas shopping season in the United States, and some stores

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Speaker 2: in recent years can continued over to Monday and called

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Speaker 2: it Cyber Monday so they can get a full four

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Speaker 2: day a humpa.

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Speaker 4: It's a lot of purchase out of it now.

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Speaker 2: It started in Australia. The term is controversial because in Australia,

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Speaker 2: black Friday refers not to shopping, but to the devastating

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Speaker 2: Black Friday bush fires which occurred in Victoria in nineteen

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Speaker 2: thirty eight through thirty nine. Only recently has it been

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Speaker 2: promoted as a shopping day in Australia. And all of

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Speaker 2: a sudden, it's bigger than Ben Hert. I mean it was.

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Speaker 2: You know, those Boxing Day sales were incredible, so you

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Speaker 2: know when they'd be the ads for their only be

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Speaker 2: three of them, but the cheap TV and stuff, and

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Speaker 2: people would be lined up and be piling in fact,

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Speaker 2: and really weird to watch all the same time.

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Speaker 3: When do you reckon this language started in advertising and marketing? Well,

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Speaker 3: it's twenty sixteen or.

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Speaker 2: So, and I started to gain traction in twenty thirteen.

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Speaker 2: Thank Apple, they sort of really got it going by

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Speaker 2: extending their Black Friday deals to Australia. What I suspect

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Speaker 2: happened is it's come about with online shopping, because we

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Speaker 4: Yeah it's international community.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we can go online and take advantage of all

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Speaker 2: those sales that are happening in America. And then of

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Speaker 2: course the retailers here thought, wait, what, well, we might

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Speaker 2: as well do it here. Yeah, might as well, and

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Speaker 2: we'll just call it Black Friday, because you know, we'll

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Speaker 3: I could have a bit dummy here, don't shop that much.

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Speaker 3: I've just every time I heard it at the start,

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Speaker 3: you know, I'm were talking seven or eight years ago.

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Speaker 3: Now I just went, well, it's not Friday the thirteenth

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Speaker 3: anywhere near this day. I've just went to that place.

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Speaker 2: It's not. And we we don't do Thanksgiving and we

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Speaker 2: never will because we that is something that we can't

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Speaker 2: take from it. That's not like Halloween, but that is

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Speaker 2: a whole different thing. But yeah, so it's it's all

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Speaker 4: Yeah, next minute, it's hard to be avoid Now it's a.

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Speaker 2: Four day extravaganzas like the bigger than I missed, the

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Speaker 3: Madness, the silliness, people stumbling over each other.

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Speaker 2: Seeing people fall over each other and pulling hair out right,

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Speaker 4: Two fans and a TV.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well you know they've got an arm each of

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Speaker 4: Little scuffles. It was always under telling when the dollors

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Speaker 2: It's not so much fun when it's all online.

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Speaker 6: More?

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Speaker 2: Lisa More podcasts soon ninety six. Claremont A Killer among

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Speaker 2: Us is a two part documentary that starts tonight at

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Speaker 2: seven thirty on Channel ten. And joining us to talk

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Speaker 2: about it is Alison Fan Good morning, Allison.

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Speaker 7: Good morning to you guys.

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Speaker 2: Well it is. It is a two part documentary which

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Speaker 2: can almost and I say almost because of Sarah Spears,

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Speaker 2: can almost tell the whole story. Now, did you think

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Speaker 2: back when you first started covering this story, that we were,

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Speaker 7: I don't think anybody thought that after twenty plus years

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Speaker 7: think possibly this is why there's so widespread interest in

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and we talk about it how it changed Perth.

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Speaker 2: I mean, we had we certainly had incidents and things

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Speaker 7: Well, it did because of the nature of how it

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Speaker 7: all evolved and because these girls were taken from such

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Speaker 7: such a quiet neighborhood. But this particular documentary I think

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Speaker 7: of it's the way it was so meticulously handled, very responsibly,

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Speaker 7: painstaking police detail, and of course what we didn't know

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Speaker 7: until the trial was how the police were working non

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Speaker 7: That was quite startling.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Allison, unless you lived in Perth in the mid

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Speaker 3: nineties when this was going on, the fear, the talk,

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Speaker 7: It was absolutely such a quiet place. As you said,

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Speaker 7: nothing much happened. I mean, certainly with Australia's had its

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Speaker 7: certainly lived up to that with the other states. But

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Speaker 7: this one had so many elements that were different, and

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Speaker 7: movie makers, documentary podcasts. I mean, look at our podcasts

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Speaker 2: He went on to host the most popular whatever.

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Speaker 2: With all these you know, families, victims, journalists, plaice forensics interviewed,

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Speaker 7: I think what we've got I understand they've stayed quite

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Speaker 7: this particular documentary. I haven't I've only seen a little

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and with any case like this, Allison, you know,

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Speaker 3: the place are doing their work, there are suspects, and

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Speaker 7: Closely, Yes, and they're very they're still very upset about it, understandably.

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Speaker 7: So they were covering it quite comprehensively, and I think

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Speaker 2: Oh anyway, it was intense. I mean on another topic,

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Speaker 2: you did just mention Lloyd Rainie. Yeah, it was wondering

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Speaker 2: of you know whatever. People have their opinions or whatever.

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Speaker 2: But the man was found not guilty, which means which

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Speaker 2: and not only do we need to know who that

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Speaker 7: Safe Absolutely, totally, totally, and I've been on Lloyd Rainey's

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Speaker 7: so she had random sex, so what And I said,

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Speaker 7: Well, they thought they had their man, and that's the

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Speaker 7: way they operate. It's very very single minded and that's

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Speaker 7: how they went. And unfortunately that's the way that case

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Speaker 7: was no way that we're not saying that they haven't

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Speaker 7: I think it's the corner's decision that comes up back.

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Speaker 7: But Lloyd's still pushing this and I think it's probably

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Speaker 2: And I really hope that they do pick that up again,

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Speaker 2: because I think it's outrageous that you can just go

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Speaker 2: because yeah, I agree with you, they do. They try

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Speaker 2: to make their theory fit the man other than the

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Speaker 2: know what I mean, I do. It's outrageous that someone

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Speaker 2: the end of that story, and you've got to find

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Speaker 7: Not guilty on appeal to Yeah, and this is what

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Speaker 7: you seriously believe that he'd done it. He wouldn't just

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Speaker 7: keep quiet, You wouldn't provoke investigation after investigation after inquiry. Yeah, saying,

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Speaker 7: get up there and look for it, because anybody that

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Speaker 7: you sue, like the police, they're going to throw everything

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Speaker 7: at you. And they did well and it didn't work well.

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Speaker 4: That podcast might be the seven million means you know.

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Speaker 2: Your way around the podcast. I do look forward to

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Speaker 2: that one. Clairemont, a Killer among Us begins seven thirty

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Speaker 3: I reckon It's going to happen podcast. Yeah, I would

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Speaker 3: Report on ninety six Air FM.

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Speaker 2: The exodus continues at the Project. Pete Helli has joined

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Speaker 1: These things coming frees and it's time for me to

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Speaker 4: Those watch on Wednesday nights.

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Speaker 2: Oh didn't that sound sincere No. Channel ten says Pete's

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Speaker 2: Don't know if you've ever seen the Netflix reality show

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Speaker 4: There you go, you get a haircut there, no doubt.

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Speaker 4: Twenty six of him.

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Speaker 2: Story Out of the UK this morning about her a

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Speaker 2: very keen mum, keen Katie, and she's revealed how she

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Speaker 4: Has you imaginized? And anyone who watched mindjew she did

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Speaker 2: She certainly did. Yeah, yeah, she's.

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Speaker 4: The accidental flash.

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Speaker 2: She's given her a red hot go. I guess she

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Speaker 4: Didn't make the finish line.

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Speaker 2: We want to know when have you accidentally flashed someone?

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Speaker 2: I have a friend, Yeah, you know, actually who walked

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Speaker 3: Because ahaumiliating, terrible, especially depends who tells you.

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Speaker 2: Where it was. I think I'm pretty sure she walked

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Speaker 4: And quite often these things that were quite innocent.

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Speaker 3: I remember my first job in Meriden, out in the

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Speaker 2: I bet you did. We're asking the question this morning

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Speaker 2: when of you accidentally flashed Tanure and several grove Hello.

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Speaker 6: Good morning guys, How are you good?

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Speaker 2: What happened?

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Speaker 4: Well?

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Speaker 6: I was walking with a group of friends teenagers and

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Speaker 2: At the end of it?

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Speaker 4: And did you say they're just boobs?

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Speaker 8: I did? I did.

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Speaker 6: Haven't you seen them before?

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Speaker 7: Ye?

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Speaker 4: No sharing, so to speak.

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Speaker 4: I'm good?

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Speaker 7: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Have you accidentally flashed.

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Speaker 9: A few years ago? In the ocean at Dunnsborough, playing

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, a little bit uncomfortable, Marion.

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Speaker 9: No very especially when they remind.

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Speaker 5: Me every year of what happened.

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Speaker 4: Well, of course.

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Speaker 7: Every Christmas.

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Speaker 2: Oh, well, good for you for stretching that bit further

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Speaker 4: Good effort, thanks, Marion.

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Speaker 2: Okay, hey, Leanne and Craigie Hello, Hello, Hi, going are

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Speaker 2: very well. When have you accidentally flashed?

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Speaker 8: Oh? It was many years ago and I was living

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Speaker 8: I had a wrapped skirt on. It's like a wind

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Speaker 2: Head in Marilyn Monroe style.

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Speaker 8: Yes, and I do think I could get it down

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Speaker 8: in time.

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Speaker 4: Was it a busy straightly.

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Speaker 8: Yes, It's like a like a mall. And I was

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Speaker 2: Playful featuring this rap skirt wrapped around your head and

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Speaker 4: Picturing them more getting even busier very quickly.

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Speaker 8: I got followed back to the office. Thanks a thank you.

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Speaker 3: People sharing their humiliations. Yeah, we love that funny how

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Speaker 2: Chris import Kennedy, Hello, what was it, Chris?

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Speaker 4: Do you do some flashing?

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Speaker 5: Mate? It was probably one of the worst embarrassing times

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: No brothers, no father, They're all four sisters, mum dietting

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Speaker 5: he just one day. I decided just to quickly throw

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Speaker 2: No jobs, I'm just a little too comfortable.

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Speaker 5: Yeah I did, I think. Jeez. They looked friendly, they

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Speaker 5: that'll do it.

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Speaker 2: Their mine up in front of you like a paddle.

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Speaker 5: They are friend That was within the first five minutes

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Speaker 4: Fast did you go and put on some jocks? What

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Speaker 8: Chris?

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Speaker 5: After after I revived myself, I thought it ambled off.

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Speaker 2: Oh gosh, that's all and you start for the rest

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Speaker 7: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, we've all been We've all been friendly ever since cruise.

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Speaker 4: No worry, thank you God, you did the standard. Your

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Speaker 4: tack it underwood. I don't know, just thinking of things

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Speaker 4: you do when you're embarrassed. You're telling the.

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Speaker 2: Story Familary Gosdel's last call. Where did you flash?

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Speaker 10: Well it wasn't me, guys, it was my daughter. I've

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Speaker 10: dancing away and had a.

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Speaker 7: Little short skirt on and was sicked.

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Speaker 10: Up by one of the gentlemen on the dance floor

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Speaker 10: and swung around and flashed everybody in the pub.

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Speaker 4: Wow.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, so of course, be back to Terry Oki.

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Speaker 2: No fair enough, thanks Pamela, No worries, Thanks God.

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Speaker 4: Even Patrick Swayze would have been funny.

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Speaker 2: Pamela finds there

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Speaker 3: Ninety six AFM Crazzi and Lisa