WEBVTT - The Darkness 💀

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<v Speaker 1>Hello.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm Art Simone, a ridiculously talented and gorgeous drag queen.

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<v Speaker 2>Over the years, I've met all walks of life, but

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<v Speaker 2>even I can still be surprised. It turns out some

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<v Speaker 2>of the most ordinary looking people can be concealing surprising professions,

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<v Speaker 2>remarkable hobbies, or downright freaky secrets. Each episode, I'll speak

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<v Speaker 2>with someone who seems ordinary and appears to have an

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<v Speaker 2>average life, but they're concealing something that makes them very unusual.

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<v Speaker 2>And the fun party is well, I don't know what

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<v Speaker 2>they're hiding, and neither will you.

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<v Speaker 1>We get to find out together. Here's how it works.

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<v Speaker 2>I'll meet the guests, find out a little bit about them,

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<v Speaker 2>and then ask three questions. From that, I'm confident I

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<v Speaker 2>can guess what they're concealing from us. Welcome to Concealed

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<v Speaker 2>with Art Simone.

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<v Speaker 1>Time for the guest roll the tame Hi.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm Nat. I'm thirty nine from Melbourne. I'm an artist

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<v Speaker 3>and a teacher. Before that, I was in the corporate

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<v Speaker 3>world for thirteen years. When I'm not at work, I

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<v Speaker 3>love theater, board games and hikings, and I don't think, well,

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<v Speaker 3>guess what I'm hiding because I'm one of the only

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<v Speaker 3>people in the country doing this.

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<v Speaker 1>Hello, Hello, now, how are you Hi?

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<v Speaker 3>I'm good at I'm doing it.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, you didn't ask me how I'm doing, but I'm

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<v Speaker 2>doing very well. Thank you as well. I'm jumping the

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<v Speaker 2>gun today. But hello and welcome. It's lovely to meet you.

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<v Speaker 1>Now.

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<v Speaker 2>You've walked in today with the most exciting pants I've

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<v Speaker 2>ever seen in my life. We have got yellow and

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<v Speaker 2>black hounds shoes. It is and sequin, you look gorgeous.

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<v Speaker 2>You also look like you could be like a seductive

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<v Speaker 2>school teacher, is what you're giving me today, because you've

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<v Speaker 2>got the spectacles on. Your hair is nice, prim and proper,

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<v Speaker 2>en up. That means you can get to business.

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<v Speaker 1>You know.

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<v Speaker 3>I've always wanted to be a sextary.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my god, a sexytary. I've never heard of that before.

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<v Speaker 2>I need to meet one. I've met one. Here you are,

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<v Speaker 2>and you've got some beatiful, cool jewelry on as well.

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<v Speaker 2>I was staring at it before. You've got the necklace,

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<v Speaker 2>it says IBOCD. Does it have the whole alphabet on

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<v Speaker 2>or does it stop? Now that's a reveal. As you

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<v Speaker 2>turned it says ab cd E f u c k Oh.

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<v Speaker 2>That's a good Why don't they teach that in school?

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<v Speaker 2>I wonder, I wonder I would have liked that as

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<v Speaker 2>a nice sing along during kindergarten. A lot of peacings.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm seeing a lot of holes in the ears. So

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<v Speaker 2>you're an artist, okay, a teacher. Oh, he's a teacher.

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<v Speaker 2>See you are a sexy teacher.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my god.

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<v Speaker 2>No, wonder I said you look like a sexy teacher

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<v Speaker 2>because I've just listened to you say I'm a teacher.

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<v Speaker 2>The My goodness, sorry, I am blonde today. What were

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<v Speaker 2>you doing in the corporate world?

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<v Speaker 3>I was in insurance and finance.

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<v Speaker 1>Ah, yeah, I'm so sorry.

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<v Speaker 3>That's what it was.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, no, that's all right. I understand why you left that.

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<v Speaker 2>I could never work in an office.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it was not my favorite.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>I hate routine, Yeah I can. I barely like waking

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<v Speaker 2>up every day. I just sleep every second day, just

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<v Speaker 2>to mix it up. It's exciting. Okay, Okay, Now, so

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<v Speaker 2>now I know a bit more about you. I've got

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<v Speaker 2>three questions to ask you, and from the answers to

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<v Speaker 2>those three questions and what we've been chatting about, I

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<v Speaker 2>have to try and guess what you are concealing from

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<v Speaker 2>me today. Now, first question I have for you is, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>do you have favorite theatrical production.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, I'm more like that vein of like grue lesque,

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<v Speaker 3>like grungy burls. Okay, I know something to say a

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<v Speaker 3>little bit political. I think that that's more interesting.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, Yeah, of course I love to walk in and

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<v Speaker 2>just go into fantasy land and be like, yay, happy

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<v Speaker 2>clapping along.

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<v Speaker 3>Look at this happily costumes.

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<v Speaker 2>But I also like to sit an audience said like,

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<v Speaker 2>get a bit uncomfortable. I'm okay being like what did

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<v Speaker 2>I just say?

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<v Speaker 1>Wow?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>Wow?

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<v Speaker 1>It just opened up me? Third eye? Is that exciting? Wow?

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<v Speaker 1>I can see him thirty twenty?

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, And another question for you, what is a relationship

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<v Speaker 2>deal breaker?

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<v Speaker 3>Ah, owning a cat or no? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh no, nat, yeah, oh no, we're not going to

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<v Speaker 2>get along past this point. We just bonded over theater.

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<v Speaker 2>And now what's an issue with the cat.

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<v Speaker 3>We don't have to have a like.

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<v Speaker 1>A yeah, come over, you know you can't come over

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<v Speaker 1>to my house.

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<v Speaker 3>I like cats in other countries, but they shouldn't be

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<v Speaker 3>in this country. They kill all the native worldlide.

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<v Speaker 4>I like cats in other Countries' fine, you know.

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<v Speaker 2>We're about to have a domestic We're about to fight.

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<v Speaker 2>We're about to have a domestic cat right now. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>god stop it, domestic cat fight that. And before I

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<v Speaker 2>take a guess and reveal what you're hiding, I have

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<v Speaker 2>one third and final question to ask.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you have any nicknames? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 3>So, all through my twenties I was referred to as

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<v Speaker 3>the darkness.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, but I'm.

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<v Speaker 3>Not really clear on why on my darkness.

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<v Speaker 2>There's two ways when I hear that. There's two things

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<v Speaker 2>I'm thinking of. All right, So either you were just

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<v Speaker 2>like a sad sack that like you'd walk in and

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<v Speaker 2>you'd suck the life out of a room. I'd call

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<v Speaker 2>that the darkness, or you were like walking in with

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<v Speaker 2>the caldron, being like, can I just eat my lunch

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<v Speaker 2>out of my caldron and please please leave me alone?

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<v Speaker 3>Neither neither. This is why I can't put my finger

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<v Speaker 3>on it.

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<v Speaker 2>You don't think there's anything at all as to why

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<v Speaker 2>they called you the darkness.

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<v Speaker 3>I thought I was just a chill, little corporate rock

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<v Speaker 3>climbing and you know.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, you mean climbing the ladder climbing.

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<v Speaker 3>No, climbing, rock climbing.

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<v Speaker 2>What you do rock climbing as Oh okay, so I

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<v Speaker 2>was like, what they call it now? You know, climbing

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<v Speaker 2>up the corporate ladder is called rock climbing. No, you're

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<v Speaker 2>actually climbing rocks. Yeah, and that's why you're called the darkness.

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<v Speaker 1>You don't picnic it hanging rock, Like what is going on?

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<v Speaker 3>What I'm trying to say is just at that point

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<v Speaker 3>in my life, I feel like I was quite normal

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<v Speaker 3>but apparently not.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, So you've always stood out a little.

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<v Speaker 2>Bit apparently Okay, So base the information I have absorbed

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<v Speaker 2>from you.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, the recap.

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<v Speaker 2>You're an artist, you got cool jewelry, I'm getting you know,

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<v Speaker 2>dark things, right, Uki spooky, which I love. I love

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<v Speaker 2>Uky spooky all right, so put that together. Yes, don't

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<v Speaker 2>like cats. See I was going to say you're a witch,

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<v Speaker 2>but witch is like cats, so that's out of the question.

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<v Speaker 1>And they see are a weird witch that doesn't like cats.

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<v Speaker 1>All right.

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<v Speaker 2>I would to say you are a secret voodoo doctor.

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<v Speaker 2>I put together, all right, I reckon, you're a voodoo doctor.

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<v Speaker 2>I think maybe you discovered while you're in the corporate

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<v Speaker 2>world that you had a gift.

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<v Speaker 1>All right.

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<v Speaker 2>You know I can't be here anymore because it's time

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<v Speaker 2>for me to be a person who doesn't like cats.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm a taxidermist and I teach the dying arts and

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<v Speaker 3>animal preservation. In this job, I get to work with museums, galleries,

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<v Speaker 3>movie sets, and pet owners and I've been doing this

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<v Speaker 3>for ten years.

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<v Speaker 1>You're ast.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, so nat isn't a voodoo witch doctor person. She's

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<v Speaker 2>in fact a taxidermist. Maybe my dream of being a

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<v Speaker 2>human dole person that lives around for the entirety of

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<v Speaker 2>the world can actually come true.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh how do I do it? All right, So we

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<v Speaker 1>have just met nad the taxidermist.

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<v Speaker 2>Now you are not, in fact a voodoo witch doctor,

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<v Speaker 2>but you, in fact are in the world of what

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<v Speaker 2>would you call it preserving animals? I mean it's a

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<v Speaker 2>form of preservation in what they looked like.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, if you're not making crap taxidermy hopefully.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, so naturally I am, you're probably here.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm very excited because I found this so fascinating and

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<v Speaker 2>I can't wait to find out more. So, first of all,

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<v Speaker 2>how did you get into taxi?

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<v Speaker 3>I came down from Brisbane with my corporate job, and

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<v Speaker 3>I kind of was like, ah, you know, I'm in

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<v Speaker 3>Melbourne and I want to creative outlet, something cool. And

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<v Speaker 3>I'm like, well, you know, I can't sing or dance

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<v Speaker 3>or draw or what have you, So what am I

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<v Speaker 3>gonna do? And you know, I knew corporate world wasn't fulfilling.

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<v Speaker 3>It started to like go to some shops and they

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<v Speaker 3>sold cool things like a shot amount deer on the

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<v Speaker 3>wall or a cool rug for the floor, or a

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<v Speaker 3>little skull or something like that, and I thought that

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<v Speaker 3>they were beautiful, and in Queensland we didn't really have

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<v Speaker 3>things like that. Queensland's catching up now, but you know

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<v Speaker 3>it's taking a while to evolve in terms of you know,

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<v Speaker 3>different art styles and aesthetic and you know it doesn't

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<v Speaker 3>quite have the same history. So I took a few

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<v Speaker 3>things home and then people would come over and just

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<v Speaker 3>thought it was so horrible and that was so offended,

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<v Speaker 3>and really, like, tell me how offended name were? Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>they just thought it was dreadful. And I just think,

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<v Speaker 3>like natural history and science and art is like cool,

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<v Speaker 3>Like what are you talking about? And it kind of

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<v Speaker 3>got me thinking, well, I am the darkness. Maybe I

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<v Speaker 3>am a bit werky, maybe I would like to learn

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<v Speaker 3>this and can you learn it? And then I found

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<v Speaker 3>out you hadn't been able to learn it since the

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<v Speaker 3>nineteen seventies in Australia. I meanmember was the last time

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<v Speaker 3>you went to a museum and saw a taxonomy collection

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<v Speaker 3>that had been turned over and looked any good?

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<v Speaker 1>Well? I was just to say that the biggest one

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<v Speaker 1>is it Melbourne gone? Is it gone?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>Gone?

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<v Speaker 3>Gone? Yeah? Dreadful because everything kind of got outsourced or

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<v Speaker 3>no one was turning over collections. You couldn't learn here.

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<v Speaker 3>And then I was super interested. I'm like, Okay, this

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<v Speaker 3>is kind of something that's a bit different. You can't

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<v Speaker 3>learn it? How do I get stuck into that? And

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<v Speaker 3>so I think it came from almost me being stubborn

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<v Speaker 3>and being like, oh, maybe it be kitchen cool. If

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<v Speaker 3>you know, a lipstick wearing blonde learns taxiderm, you know

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<v Speaker 3>kind of thing, which is a dumb story in hindsight,

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<v Speaker 3>but that is kind of where it started.

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<v Speaker 2>So then where do you go to learn it? Is

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<v Speaker 2>it like the school of YouTube or I learned how

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<v Speaker 2>to do makeup? Or is it like do you have

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<v Speaker 2>to fly over seas and have someone mentor you.

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<v Speaker 3>There were some people in Australia that are quite prolific,

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<v Speaker 3>so I chose to stalk one of them, sent them

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<v Speaker 3>about two hundred emails of a period of six months,

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<v Speaker 3>and he finally like agreed to like see me. And

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<v Speaker 3>I went out there one day and kind of had

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<v Speaker 3>these little wed shoes on and whatever, and you know,

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<v Speaker 3>you're walking on like the bitumen to get up to

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<v Speaker 3>the warehouse factory. Thing must have looked like a baby giraffe,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, on my yah. You know I'm not and

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<v Speaker 3>he's like, you're not going to last a second. And

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<v Speaker 3>then I worked every weekend they're for free for three years.

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<v Speaker 1>Is that to assist in.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm going to use the term loosely that I was assisting.

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<v Speaker 3>Mainly I was just skinning ducks for the dude, but

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<v Speaker 3>I found.

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<v Speaker 1>Do dead. I was actually a duck factory.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah. I was learning a lot, to be clear.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, were you still doing corporate at the same time, Yeah, totally,

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<v Speaker 2>the corporate during the week on the weekends skin and ducks.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah exactly. I'm excellent to that.

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<v Speaker 1>I love it.

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<v Speaker 3>And so I took my long service leave. You know,

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<v Speaker 3>I think most people gone a party I'm like, I'm

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<v Speaker 3>going to go to Spain by myself and do taxonomy.

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<v Speaker 3>So I found a mentor over there and he didn't

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<v Speaker 3>speak a word of English and I didn't speak a

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<v Speaker 3>word of Spanish. But he was building a museum on

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<v Speaker 3>the history of hunting. And he let me live with

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<v Speaker 3>his family and we built this museum together. And it

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<v Speaker 3>was such an incredible learning experience because we couldn't even

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<v Speaker 3>speak the same language, but he really wanted to take

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<v Speaker 3>me under his wing and teach me so much. And

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<v Speaker 3>because he wanted to teach me, I was able to

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<v Speaker 3>learn even though we had a language barrier. But kind

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<v Speaker 3>of came back and I'm like, that was such an

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<v Speaker 3>incredible experience. Maybe you don't have to stalk and mental

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<v Speaker 3>and skin ducks for three years and travel to Spain.

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<v Speaker 3>Maybe people would just like to learn from me and

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<v Speaker 3>that'd be a better option, right, And now here we are.

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<v Speaker 1>So do you teach yeah? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 3>Wow?

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<v Speaker 2>How do you bring animals into like taxidermi? Do you

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<v Speaker 2>only do with like Australia natives or I feel like

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<v Speaker 2>there be a lot of rules and things. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>I can't even fly to Tasmania without a sniffer dog

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<v Speaker 2>being like, get rid of that apple, all right, not

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<v Speaker 2>apple for you.

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<v Speaker 3>It's actually quite easy to bring in skins from overseas,

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<v Speaker 3>like you know, a squirrel or a wolf, doesn't really

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<v Speaker 3>matter as long as it's not protected. They can't in

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<v Speaker 3>as tanned skins they pass quarantine.

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<v Speaker 1>I guess that's technically all it is.

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<v Speaker 3>What leather, you know, it's like a coat.

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<v Speaker 2>I guess we look at the because when you do

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<v Speaker 2>a good job, it looks like the entire animal is

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<v Speaker 2>in front of you.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but you're just dealing with this skin exactly.

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<v Speaker 3>So taxonomy means the arrangement of skin. So taxi is

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<v Speaker 3>a range and dermy's skin. Yeah. Like And interestingly, we

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<v Speaker 3>can mainly only work on introduced species because all native

0:13:20.080 --> 0:13:25.920
<v Speaker 3>specimens are protected. Hence why I hate cats. So we

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<v Speaker 3>can work on things like your fox. We can work

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<v Speaker 3>on a feral cat. Yes, we can work on pigs whatever,

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<v Speaker 3>not a problem. And so this is the thing. So

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<v Speaker 3>with natives, they're fully protected. And the reason for that

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<v Speaker 3>is because you know, the introduction of species is created,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, such a terrible landscape where we've got species

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<v Speaker 3>going extinct and what have you. If you were then

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<v Speaker 3>to let people preserve specimens. They could say, well it

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<v Speaker 3>naturally died or I found it as roadkill, but then

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<v Speaker 3>they're out shooting it, right, and so in order to

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<v Speaker 3>work on native specimen, and you have to have permits.

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<v Speaker 3>So if you have a cockatoo that's your pet, yes,

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<v Speaker 3>you have a license for it. If it passes away,

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<v Speaker 3>you pass it to my license. I do the work,

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<v Speaker 3>I pass it back to your license for you to

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<v Speaker 3>then display it in your own home.

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<v Speaker 1>So does that mean you have like a taxidermy license.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and you have to do a police check and

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<v Speaker 3>all sorts of stuff in order to get your second.

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<v Speaker 2>Away, like the people in suits being So we'll just

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<v Speaker 2>make them do a police check just in case. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>we've all seen the movie. What do you think is

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<v Speaker 2>the most common animal you have? It's just you say taxidermy. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>it's a bit of a long word. We've got to

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<v Speaker 2>work on that. Actually, let's send them stuffed. Stuffed even

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<v Speaker 2>better than guy, what's the most common animal you've stuffed?

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<v Speaker 3>Look, now that we do the pet work, heaps of cats.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sorry, did you say pet work? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, in my household, we're a cat house, and I

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<v Speaker 2>heard yes, our oldest scales.

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<v Speaker 1>She's thirteen, she's she's doing she's nearly ready.

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<v Speaker 2>And we have said for years that we were like,

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<v Speaker 2>is that even legal?

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<v Speaker 1>We're like, I don't know, but we'd love to get

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<v Speaker 1>it because she's so fluffy, she's so.

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<v Speaker 2>Fluffy and she's such a good girl. We're like, would

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<v Speaker 2>be great just to have her always sitting on the couch.

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<v Speaker 2>Is that is that actually like legal? You can just

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<v Speaker 2>hand you more people.

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<v Speaker 1>Need to know about this.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but crazy cat ladies unite or my cat ladies

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<v Speaker 2>out there, we found the solution.

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<v Speaker 1>Sorry, yes, but let me.

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<v Speaker 3>So just to quantify that, I don't actually do tax

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<v Speaker 3>it to me on cats and dogs, and what I

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<v Speaker 3>mean by that is I don't do full skin mounts.

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<v Speaker 3>So I'm sorry you can't have your fluffy cat back

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<v Speaker 3>to pat because I feel like you're either two types

0:15:46.000 --> 0:15:50.440
<v Speaker 3>of people. You're either super pragmatic and you're like, wouldn't it.

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<v Speaker 4>Be cooled I have my fluffy cat back and that'd

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<v Speaker 4>be great, or you're like, I'm so deeply traumatized that

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<v Speaker 4>I cannot part with my pet that I am having

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<v Speaker 4>trouble letting go and I want my pet back.

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<v Speaker 3>I feel like with pet taxonomy because the skin goes

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<v Speaker 3>back on, it needs to look like your cat, not

0:16:11.800 --> 0:16:16.080
<v Speaker 3>our cat, your cat. And there's something about taxonomy where

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<v Speaker 3>you can't quite capture the personality of something. And so

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<v Speaker 3>we'll happily do skull preservation or poor preservation cremation, but

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<v Speaker 3>I will not do your dog or cat for fear

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<v Speaker 3>of re traumatizing.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I was going to say, if you don't get

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<v Speaker 2>it exactly right, then you've butchered my life. Right, So

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<v Speaker 2>I guess your work can be quite polarizing. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>you were saying earlier that people would come around to

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<v Speaker 2>your place and be like, I don't know about that.

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<v Speaker 2>Have you faced much pushback from people that don't quite

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<v Speaker 2>gel with what you're doing?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, totally. The first time I experiences was after I

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<v Speaker 3>started teaching, and then I guess because I kind of

0:17:00.160 --> 0:17:02.680
<v Speaker 3>thought it was like a kitchen cute to be teaching,

0:17:02.880 --> 0:17:05.880
<v Speaker 3>you know, lipstick wearing, blonde kind of thing. So did

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<v Speaker 3>the media. And the first kind of media I got

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<v Speaker 3>was MX magazine. You know, the commuter, like the commuter,

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<v Speaker 3>which is really bad for me because I'm in corporate world.

0:17:17.680 --> 0:17:21.800
<v Speaker 3>So everyone in corporate world would get emes and read

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<v Speaker 3>on the train.

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<v Speaker 2>And were you still in the corporate world. Yeah, it

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<v Speaker 2>was a bit of a transitional.

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<v Speaker 3>Seven years of transit. Wow, okay, okay, And this is

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<v Speaker 3>how everyone kind of found out that I did this.

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<v Speaker 3>And so from that first article is when I started

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<v Speaker 3>getting hates and death threats. And I remember the first

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<v Speaker 3>one from that EMES article. A guy went on there

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<v Speaker 3>and he said, I would never wish death upon anyone,

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<v Speaker 3>but Natalie, when you die, I hope it's as painful

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<v Speaker 3>as possible. And so over time I've gotten more and

0:17:56.880 --> 0:18:01.760
<v Speaker 3>more and more obviously yes, and I was like super upset,

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<v Speaker 3>and I'm like, oh, this is devastating and it's not

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<v Speaker 3>fun being kitchen cute, and I need to like figure

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<v Speaker 3>out really quickly what I stand for because this isn't

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<v Speaker 3>like fun. And I guess that's why I've become like

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<v Speaker 3>quite you know, interested in protecting native wildlife and things

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<v Speaker 3>like that. But then also I would kind of once

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<v Speaker 3>I started getting over the hurt and the upset, I'd

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<v Speaker 3>be like, who are these people? Like are these vegetarians

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<v Speaker 3>or are these vegans? Or who are they? And I'd

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<v Speaker 3>gone to their profile and it'd be like a western

0:18:35.400 --> 0:18:40.160
<v Speaker 3>metropolitan person you know, and their profile picture would be

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<v Speaker 3>them eating a pie or like wearing leather, and I'd

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<v Speaker 3>be like, what are you talking about? Like you're literally

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<v Speaker 3>eating meat. And I never have had this funnily enough

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<v Speaker 3>from vegetarians or vegans, because lots of our students are

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<v Speaker 3>eating plants.

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<v Speaker 1>I think you're going out there and shooting there. No,

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<v Speaker 1>not at all.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm studying animals for a living, like I love animals.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I'm sorry about that, but at least we can

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<v Speaker 2>bond over that because the amount of shit that I've

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<v Speaker 2>had sent to me. I once had to replace Santa

0:19:11.440 --> 0:19:15.040
<v Speaker 2>Claus because they're like, that's just having fun. No, Santa

0:19:15.080 --> 0:19:17.280
<v Speaker 2>Claus going up and down Chapel Street this year, a

0:19:17.359 --> 0:19:19.480
<v Speaker 2>drag queen and a convertible doing all I want for Christmas?

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<v Speaker 1>Is you fun?

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<v Speaker 3>Right? How did that go?

0:19:21.640 --> 0:19:22.480
<v Speaker 1>Not very well?

0:19:23.240 --> 0:19:29.200
<v Speaker 2>I ruined Christmas many times? So the kids the sand

0:19:29.280 --> 0:19:32.280
<v Speaker 2>is not real. But anyway, okay, Nat. So you're talented,

0:19:32.359 --> 0:19:34.840
<v Speaker 2>you know, because you can stuff animals, you can preserve

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<v Speaker 2>skulls and things. Oh who's that artist that I see

0:19:38.200 --> 0:19:40.520
<v Speaker 2>that does the thing where they make them look translucent

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<v Speaker 2>and transparent?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh?

0:19:42.400 --> 0:19:45.880
<v Speaker 3>I bought you one as a gift that I made.

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<v Speaker 2>A get stuff is a little fishy yeah, Oh my goodness,

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<v Speaker 2>you have just handed me what.

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<v Speaker 1>Is this called.

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<v Speaker 3>It's called diaphonization.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my god, I love it so much. So that

0:20:01.440 --> 0:20:05.520
<v Speaker 2>has just handed me a little jar with a fish

0:20:05.520 --> 0:20:07.640
<v Speaker 2>in it. And the fish is in liquid. But it's

0:20:07.680 --> 0:20:09.640
<v Speaker 2>like see through and purple, and I can see its

0:20:09.640 --> 0:20:13.520
<v Speaker 2>eyeball and I can see organs. Oh my goodness, it's

0:20:13.560 --> 0:20:15.640
<v Speaker 2>looking at me with its hairy eyeball. It's quite nice

0:20:15.680 --> 0:20:19.439
<v Speaker 2>at the moment. Hello, fish in a bottle that sounds

0:20:19.480 --> 0:20:22.800
<v Speaker 2>like a good song. Fish in a bottle. Fish in

0:20:22.800 --> 0:20:23.320
<v Speaker 2>a bottle.

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<v Speaker 1>So that's still called taxiderm diaphonization.

0:20:27.960 --> 0:20:30.439
<v Speaker 3>So taxidom is just anything with skin on it.

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<v Speaker 2>So what would you call yourself as like an umbrella

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<v Speaker 2>term as a profession.

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<v Speaker 3>Then you'd have to say, I do animal preservation. Oh yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>but then I haven't just been doing animals lately.

0:20:41.520 --> 0:20:46.440
<v Speaker 2>Well I'm sorry, what you haven't just been doing animals?

0:20:47.560 --> 0:20:49.639
<v Speaker 1>Tell me more so.

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<v Speaker 3>I have had a few interesting clients lately, some people

0:20:55.600 --> 0:20:58.480
<v Speaker 3>that have just given birth, that have a placenta, so

0:20:58.520 --> 0:21:02.400
<v Speaker 3>they've wanted their placenta preserved. I got a I got

0:21:02.400 --> 0:21:05.280
<v Speaker 3>a message last night saying, oh, I hope it's not weird,

0:21:05.400 --> 0:21:09.600
<v Speaker 3>but I had my finger amputated. Can you do something?

0:21:09.680 --> 0:21:13.480
<v Speaker 3>I'm like, yeah, totally, I can do something for me.

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<v Speaker 1>Wait do they have their finger?

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<v Speaker 3>Well, it depends on the hospital because.

0:21:18.080 --> 0:21:20.480
<v Speaker 1>Because I feel like the hospital sometimes wouldn't allow you to.

0:21:20.680 --> 0:21:23.520
<v Speaker 3>Yeah. So some like dentists won't giving you wisdom to

0:21:23.920 --> 0:21:27.640
<v Speaker 3>you know, but there it is actually legal. The hospital

0:21:27.680 --> 0:21:31.439
<v Speaker 3>just has to do the work. So the best client

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<v Speaker 3>I had, and I think my favorite work that I've

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<v Speaker 3>done recently, was a client who came to me who

0:21:40.040 --> 0:21:45.360
<v Speaker 3>is transgender and had just had a hysterectomy.

0:21:44.600 --> 0:21:48.120
<v Speaker 1>As part of their gender reformation.

0:21:48.320 --> 0:21:55.359
<v Speaker 3>Gender reformation surgery, and they wanted their uterus preserved to

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<v Speaker 3>remind them of, I guess, you know, the life that

0:21:59.600 --> 0:22:04.480
<v Speaker 3>they want lived. Yes, and so that was really amazing work.

0:22:04.520 --> 0:22:08.040
<v Speaker 3>And it was really interesting as well because when the

0:22:08.080 --> 0:22:11.240
<v Speaker 3>hospital released all the tissue of the uterus. To me,

0:22:12.320 --> 0:22:15.399
<v Speaker 3>what happens when someone goes through that process is that

0:22:15.720 --> 0:22:18.840
<v Speaker 3>you obviously take a lot of hormones, and hormones can

0:22:19.480 --> 0:22:23.280
<v Speaker 3>speed up the possibility of cancer. And so when the

0:22:23.400 --> 0:22:27.320
<v Speaker 3>uterus comes out, it gets biopsy to within an inch

0:22:27.359 --> 0:22:30.639
<v Speaker 3>of its life to ensure that the person that it

0:22:30.680 --> 0:22:34.000
<v Speaker 3>came from doesn't have cancer. And so the uterus came

0:22:34.040 --> 0:22:36.600
<v Speaker 3>to me within like thirty pieces, and I had to

0:22:36.800 --> 0:22:40.000
<v Speaker 3>sew it together and recreate it. And that was really

0:22:40.960 --> 0:22:43.240
<v Speaker 3>that was my favorite work I've ever done, because I

0:22:43.240 --> 0:22:46.440
<v Speaker 3>felt that that was so important and I never imagined

0:22:46.440 --> 0:22:48.440
<v Speaker 3>that I would be doing something like that.

0:22:48.760 --> 0:22:53.680
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's crazy, Yeah, because you know, skins is one thing,

0:22:53.720 --> 0:22:56.640
<v Speaker 2>but now you're working on internal organs. Yeah.

0:22:57.200 --> 0:23:00.960
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and look, I knew you're a witch doctor on you.

0:23:03.520 --> 0:23:03.800
<v Speaker 3>Now.

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<v Speaker 2>I hate death, yeah, you know, I was scared of

0:23:07.080 --> 0:23:08.920
<v Speaker 2>it for so long. Most scary thing in the world

0:23:08.960 --> 0:23:11.080
<v Speaker 2>to me is death. I can't come to terms of

0:23:11.119 --> 0:23:14.880
<v Speaker 2>the fact that just like one day done over. But

0:23:14.920 --> 0:23:17.760
<v Speaker 2>because of that, I feel like everyone around me, you know,

0:23:17.800 --> 0:23:19.960
<v Speaker 2>they'd be quite sad if I disappeared. So I reckon

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<v Speaker 2>it'd be great to have a bit of me preserved.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, yeah, what would you give me?

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<v Speaker 1>I mean have many exciting things, like my feet.

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<v Speaker 2>They're really messed up, and I think they'd be really

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<v Speaker 2>good to study because high heels for this long or

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<v Speaker 2>men or men not good. Only two toenails left. But

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<v Speaker 2>that's all very exciting, very comamorates.

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<v Speaker 3>It's good for me either.

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<v Speaker 2>I can teach the people about what not to do

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<v Speaker 2>one thing about me.

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<v Speaker 1>But then also, you.

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<v Speaker 2>Know, I'm thinking, well, you know, I've got giant manhands,

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<v Speaker 2>and I've always thought look really funny with nails on

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<v Speaker 2>them because they've been sweeping things. And I think maybe

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<v Speaker 2>I'd give you a big giant man hand, but this

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<v Speaker 2>with the middle finger up.

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<v Speaker 1>I think could you preserve it like that? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>I think that would be a great legacy to send

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<v Speaker 2>on down to the world like a big FuG you

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<v Speaker 2>to the world.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, all right, challenge accepted.

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<v Speaker 1>Here on record, I gift to you my hand.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm gonna need quite a big job.

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<v Speaker 2>Actually that was Nat, not a voodoo witch, doctor cat hater,

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<v Speaker 2>but in fact a taxidermist who loves to get stuffed.

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<v Speaker 1>I never knew and have so much in common.

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