1 00:00:00,440 --> 00:00:07,600 Speaker 1: This is a podcast about failure with me. Lola Berry, author, nutritionist, 2 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:11,559 Speaker 1: and yoga teacher, join me as we get to know 3 00:00:11,680 --> 00:00:16,160 Speaker 1: these guests and learn about how their failures have ultimately 4 00:00:16,239 --> 00:00:37,680 Speaker 1: shaped their dreams. Welcome to Fearlessly Failing with Lola Berry. Hello, 5 00:00:37,880 --> 00:00:42,239 Speaker 1: it's season six. We are here. It feels surreal to 6 00:00:42,280 --> 00:00:46,080 Speaker 1: say season six, but how exciting and we are kicking 7 00:00:46,159 --> 00:00:50,680 Speaker 1: it off Episode one with the incredible Al Ferguson. She 8 00:00:51,080 --> 00:00:57,080 Speaker 1: is a fashionist. She's a massive influencer, ginormous Instagram following. 9 00:00:57,360 --> 00:01:00,959 Speaker 1: She's an entrepreneur. She's got her own All Effect Hanning company, 10 00:01:01,440 --> 00:01:04,200 Speaker 1: which I have tried and loved. It smells like roses. 11 00:01:04,959 --> 00:01:07,119 Speaker 1: I was really excited to get her on the pod, 12 00:01:07,640 --> 00:01:09,479 Speaker 1: but I was also a bit tentative because we'd only 13 00:01:09,560 --> 00:01:11,959 Speaker 1: met couple of times, and I was like, oh, you know, 14 00:01:12,360 --> 00:01:14,479 Speaker 1: is she going to open up? And she totally did. 15 00:01:14,640 --> 00:01:17,880 Speaker 1: She It was kind of like two girls having a chat, 16 00:01:17,920 --> 00:01:20,680 Speaker 1: And That's what I'm really pumped about because it felt 17 00:01:20,840 --> 00:01:25,280 Speaker 1: very honest, open, and a really nice way to connect 18 00:01:25,640 --> 00:01:28,880 Speaker 1: while we're still kind of in some kind of a lockdown. 19 00:01:29,400 --> 00:01:32,720 Speaker 1: This was recorded via zoom. She obviously is a Sydney 20 00:01:32,720 --> 00:01:36,760 Speaker 1: BONDI girl, and we're here. In talks, Al opened up 21 00:01:36,840 --> 00:01:40,160 Speaker 1: about going to the Kar Deck, literally Kim Kardashian's house. 22 00:01:40,760 --> 00:01:44,280 Speaker 1: I was like, holy mackerel. She got to see Kanye 23 00:01:44,720 --> 00:01:47,280 Speaker 1: Chris Janna apparently walked straight up to him and was like, oh, 24 00:01:47,280 --> 00:01:49,720 Speaker 1: you're wearing easy. I cannot wait for you to hear 25 00:01:49,760 --> 00:01:52,919 Speaker 1: this story. So exciting. This girl is a go getter 26 00:01:53,400 --> 00:01:56,720 Speaker 1: and she really goes after a dream. So super inspiring 27 00:01:56,920 --> 00:01:59,960 Speaker 1: and what a great way to kick off season six. 28 00:02:05,160 --> 00:02:09,320 Speaker 1: Welcome to the Pod, Al Ferguson. You are a digital 29 00:02:09,360 --> 00:02:13,919 Speaker 1: influencer an entrepreneur. You are the founder and creative director 30 00:02:14,200 --> 00:02:17,639 Speaker 1: of my new favorite tanning product, The Our Effect, which 31 00:02:17,680 --> 00:02:20,000 Speaker 1: smells ef and delicious. I cannot wait to talk more 32 00:02:20,040 --> 00:02:23,960 Speaker 1: about it. But welcome. Yay and just a girl, small 33 00:02:24,040 --> 00:02:25,040 Speaker 1: girl from the coast. 34 00:02:25,280 --> 00:02:28,600 Speaker 2: That's like the that's the line under that I love, But. 35 00:02:28,600 --> 00:02:31,720 Speaker 1: I love that. First of all, before when I started 36 00:02:31,760 --> 00:02:35,239 Speaker 1: researching you, I was like, did we first meet at 37 00:02:35,280 --> 00:02:39,959 Speaker 1: the Business Chicks Talk? Yes, Yes we did, we did, yes, right? 38 00:02:40,040 --> 00:02:42,280 Speaker 1: But then I deep dived you, my friend, because I'm 39 00:02:42,320 --> 00:02:45,960 Speaker 1: a and I get a bit and I realized that 40 00:02:46,120 --> 00:02:48,959 Speaker 1: I did a segment although we never met Oh, no, 41 00:02:51,400 --> 00:02:55,680 Speaker 1: I you made the balls. These balls just. 42 00:02:55,600 --> 00:02:58,880 Speaker 3: Come back to me literally, I think you were wearing 43 00:02:59,000 --> 00:03:02,160 Speaker 3: spell like I was coming back to me right now. 44 00:03:02,520 --> 00:03:04,520 Speaker 1: I was like, this, girls are really cool. 45 00:03:04,600 --> 00:03:08,400 Speaker 3: I should probably make some recipes what she's doing it, Yes, 46 00:03:08,400 --> 00:03:10,640 Speaker 3: But then it was I think it was Business Chicks 47 00:03:10,680 --> 00:03:13,760 Speaker 3: where I actually we were on the panel and I 48 00:03:13,840 --> 00:03:15,480 Speaker 3: kind of got to hear I always think it's really 49 00:03:15,560 --> 00:03:18,239 Speaker 3: nice when you get to hear somebody's story firsthand, which 50 00:03:18,280 --> 00:03:21,079 Speaker 3: is amazing to be doing this podcast, because I think 51 00:03:21,080 --> 00:03:23,560 Speaker 3: when you hear it in their own words and from them, 52 00:03:23,919 --> 00:03:26,720 Speaker 3: it's quite amazing. And I remember hearing you speak and 53 00:03:26,840 --> 00:03:30,160 Speaker 3: kind of being I don't know, just like energized because 54 00:03:30,160 --> 00:03:32,280 Speaker 3: you were telling it so real, and I was like, 55 00:03:32,400 --> 00:03:33,400 Speaker 3: I like this. 56 00:03:33,120 --> 00:03:33,600 Speaker 1: This is cool. 57 00:03:33,639 --> 00:03:35,839 Speaker 3: And then sitting in between us was the young girl 58 00:03:35,880 --> 00:03:38,119 Speaker 3: that had pretty much trekkd tor Antarctica at the age 59 00:03:38,160 --> 00:03:41,080 Speaker 3: of thirteen that really shut down anything I was doing. 60 00:03:41,160 --> 00:03:46,000 Speaker 1: But I remember having the same feelings about you, and 61 00:03:46,080 --> 00:03:48,400 Speaker 1: we got to have lunch together after. Do you remember 62 00:03:48,520 --> 00:03:50,560 Speaker 1: we were sitting off to each other and so it 63 00:03:50,600 --> 00:03:53,520 Speaker 1: was kind of like a little like love fest we were. Yeah, 64 00:03:54,320 --> 00:03:57,120 Speaker 1: since then, I've already been like fang girl and you 65 00:03:57,240 --> 00:03:58,960 Speaker 1: all the time, which you know because I DM you 66 00:03:59,000 --> 00:04:00,760 Speaker 1: and I'm like, I want to get you the pod. 67 00:04:01,320 --> 00:04:03,080 Speaker 3: So I think I was like, can I come on 68 00:04:03,080 --> 00:04:05,720 Speaker 3: the pod? I've listened to Max May's can I please come? 69 00:04:06,400 --> 00:04:09,000 Speaker 1: Oh, I'm so glad that you and I have mutual 70 00:04:09,000 --> 00:04:11,520 Speaker 1: love for Max May. Wonderful hair and makeup artist, but 71 00:04:11,560 --> 00:04:13,800 Speaker 1: also just like I always say, he's just like an 72 00:04:14,120 --> 00:04:16,000 Speaker 1: artist in general. 73 00:04:16,120 --> 00:04:18,719 Speaker 3: He's been for the soul. He's literally one of those people. 74 00:04:18,760 --> 00:04:20,640 Speaker 3: I feel like I now have to do my declaration 75 00:04:20,760 --> 00:04:22,800 Speaker 3: to Max May because he did mine to me on 76 00:04:22,839 --> 00:04:25,520 Speaker 3: his pod. I just think there are people that come 77 00:04:25,520 --> 00:04:29,440 Speaker 3: into your life and stick around, you know what I mean, 78 00:04:29,520 --> 00:04:31,960 Speaker 3: and they're there for you and a lot of the 79 00:04:32,040 --> 00:04:33,000 Speaker 3: times they don't need to be. 80 00:04:33,160 --> 00:04:35,280 Speaker 2: And he's somebody that's always waved my flag. 81 00:04:35,360 --> 00:04:37,640 Speaker 3: And we're going to talk about the l effect, but 82 00:04:37,920 --> 00:04:39,599 Speaker 3: he was one of the people right back at the 83 00:04:39,600 --> 00:04:42,640 Speaker 3: beginning that was like, go for it. I am here 84 00:04:42,680 --> 00:04:46,040 Speaker 3: for you. And you know, he's such a genius and 85 00:04:46,160 --> 00:04:49,960 Speaker 3: such a voice of approval that when he kind of 86 00:04:50,240 --> 00:04:52,760 Speaker 3: loved it and backed me, I was like, shit, man, 87 00:04:52,920 --> 00:04:53,800 Speaker 3: let's go for it. 88 00:04:54,320 --> 00:04:57,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, And he's he's no frills too, like he'll tell 89 00:04:57,560 --> 00:05:02,279 Speaker 1: I got I would tell you it's so straight. But 90 00:05:02,360 --> 00:05:05,000 Speaker 1: do you know the first time that I professionally worked 91 00:05:05,000 --> 00:05:07,600 Speaker 1: with him, his phone was a photo of you the 92 00:05:07,640 --> 00:05:10,120 Speaker 1: back the wallpaper of his phone, and I was like, 93 00:05:10,600 --> 00:05:12,279 Speaker 1: oh my goodness, this is love. 94 00:05:12,480 --> 00:05:14,360 Speaker 3: This is real love, real love when you've got to 95 00:05:14,360 --> 00:05:18,080 Speaker 3: look at my face as your screen saver. No, he's 96 00:05:18,120 --> 00:05:19,680 Speaker 3: a very he does tell it as it is. 97 00:05:19,760 --> 00:05:20,039 Speaker 1: You know what. 98 00:05:20,120 --> 00:05:22,159 Speaker 3: He was the guy that about ten years ago said 99 00:05:22,160 --> 00:05:24,320 Speaker 3: to me you need to start pilates and I was 100 00:05:24,360 --> 00:05:24,839 Speaker 3: like why. 101 00:05:26,040 --> 00:05:28,120 Speaker 2: He was like, it lessens and leans you. 102 00:05:28,200 --> 00:05:29,919 Speaker 3: And I was like, you know what if you were 103 00:05:29,960 --> 00:05:32,479 Speaker 3: saying to do pilates And I literally started after he 104 00:05:32,520 --> 00:05:32,920 Speaker 3: said it. 105 00:05:32,960 --> 00:05:36,440 Speaker 1: So he's very good. And I've been stalking your insta. 106 00:05:36,560 --> 00:05:38,960 Speaker 1: You do two workouts a day, dude? 107 00:05:39,240 --> 00:05:41,560 Speaker 3: Yeah, I've just hit five and a half months of 108 00:05:41,640 --> 00:05:43,559 Speaker 3: two workouts six days a week. 109 00:05:43,839 --> 00:05:47,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, whoa wait to make? I was like looking at it, going, oh, 110 00:05:47,440 --> 00:05:49,560 Speaker 1: I thought I was doing good doing my daily yokes. 111 00:05:49,560 --> 00:05:52,200 Speaker 3: But I'm like I've got to write up No, No, 112 00:05:52,320 --> 00:05:54,520 Speaker 3: you know what, I think everybody's doing their best, do 113 00:05:54,520 --> 00:05:56,440 Speaker 3: you know what I mean? But I do have to 114 00:05:56,480 --> 00:06:00,400 Speaker 3: say that I think I'm a very gold driven person, 115 00:06:01,000 --> 00:06:03,760 Speaker 3: and at the beginning of COVID, the first two weeks, 116 00:06:03,800 --> 00:06:05,599 Speaker 3: I went into a really kind of just not a 117 00:06:05,640 --> 00:06:08,560 Speaker 3: good headspace and I needed to get myself out of 118 00:06:08,560 --> 00:06:12,480 Speaker 3: that headspace. And I think exercise and endorphins or they 119 00:06:12,480 --> 00:06:15,479 Speaker 3: play such a big part of that, and I just 120 00:06:15,520 --> 00:06:17,920 Speaker 3: set some goals for myself, and to be honest with you, 121 00:06:17,960 --> 00:06:18,560 Speaker 3: I didn't think. 122 00:06:18,480 --> 00:06:19,880 Speaker 2: I'd make it, you know, a week. 123 00:06:19,960 --> 00:06:22,160 Speaker 3: But now I'm five and a half months, you know, 124 00:06:22,680 --> 00:06:25,680 Speaker 3: into it, and I'm a different person. And I know 125 00:06:25,720 --> 00:06:28,960 Speaker 3: that sounds so silly, but it's just like it's been 126 00:06:29,040 --> 00:06:32,640 Speaker 3: such an amazing journey and the amount of women and 127 00:06:32,720 --> 00:06:34,479 Speaker 3: men that have come on the journey with me, and 128 00:06:34,800 --> 00:06:37,400 Speaker 3: I'm feeling inspired or you know, like I get some 129 00:06:37,440 --> 00:06:40,560 Speaker 3: people that are like not again, not another you've just run. 130 00:06:40,720 --> 00:06:42,680 Speaker 3: But then for every one of those, there's the one 131 00:06:42,720 --> 00:06:44,360 Speaker 3: that's like, you know what I saw yours. I've gone 132 00:06:44,360 --> 00:06:46,400 Speaker 3: for a walk, or I've you know, like gone a 133 00:06:46,400 --> 00:06:49,159 Speaker 3: skipping rope in the lound room. And I also just 134 00:06:49,200 --> 00:06:51,599 Speaker 3: think I've kept it really real, which has been really 135 00:06:51,680 --> 00:06:53,720 Speaker 3: nice because it's just like, you know what, today I 136 00:06:53,880 --> 00:06:56,600 Speaker 3: didn't make the goal, but I still tried to do it. 137 00:06:57,120 --> 00:06:59,479 Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's what I actually, what I love most 138 00:06:59,520 --> 00:07:01,960 Speaker 1: about you is you say it how it is. We 139 00:07:01,960 --> 00:07:04,920 Speaker 1: were just saying that about Max, but you are very 140 00:07:05,600 --> 00:07:09,720 Speaker 1: straight down the line and unapologetically yourself and I love that. 141 00:07:10,120 --> 00:07:10,520 Speaker 2: Thank you. 142 00:07:11,280 --> 00:07:13,920 Speaker 1: The bit that I loved researching you was though, like 143 00:07:14,560 --> 00:07:17,760 Speaker 1: I went way back, you went to a performing arts school, 144 00:07:17,920 --> 00:07:26,520 Speaker 1: and out like really, But what I loved is you've 145 00:07:26,560 --> 00:07:29,800 Speaker 1: always kind of had this creative flare. And is it 146 00:07:29,800 --> 00:07:33,120 Speaker 1: true you traveled like five hours to get and from school. 147 00:07:33,440 --> 00:07:33,640 Speaker 2: Yeah. 148 00:07:33,720 --> 00:07:36,640 Speaker 3: So I went to Newtown High School of the Performing Arts, 149 00:07:36,720 --> 00:07:40,880 Speaker 3: which is a it is oh my goodness, it's not 150 00:07:40,920 --> 00:07:43,600 Speaker 3: a privately owned school, which was amazing. It was a 151 00:07:43,640 --> 00:07:47,880 Speaker 3: public school and the principal, I later learned, she fought 152 00:07:48,040 --> 00:07:51,600 Speaker 3: so hard for that school to be, you know, just 153 00:07:51,840 --> 00:07:52,520 Speaker 3: for anybody. 154 00:07:52,560 --> 00:07:53,440 Speaker 2: It was publicly fine. 155 00:07:53,520 --> 00:07:56,600 Speaker 3: And now that I'm older and realize how important that was, 156 00:07:56,760 --> 00:07:58,920 Speaker 3: and I realized the battle that she would have had 157 00:07:58,960 --> 00:08:01,640 Speaker 3: to have got funding and had the support, I feel 158 00:08:01,640 --> 00:08:04,120 Speaker 3: even more special that I went there. But I was 159 00:08:04,200 --> 00:08:07,120 Speaker 3: lucky enough. I lived two and a half hours away 160 00:08:07,200 --> 00:08:10,280 Speaker 3: from the school. Yeah, And when I was at primary school, 161 00:08:10,320 --> 00:08:11,880 Speaker 3: I would just never fit in any box. Like I 162 00:08:11,960 --> 00:08:15,120 Speaker 3: was always dancing or singing or running across the playground. 163 00:08:15,120 --> 00:08:17,640 Speaker 2: And a teacher said there's a school in Sydney. 164 00:08:17,560 --> 00:08:18,520 Speaker 1: You can audition for. 165 00:08:18,640 --> 00:08:20,720 Speaker 3: And I was like, oh goodness, you know, like this 166 00:08:20,760 --> 00:08:22,560 Speaker 3: little girl from the coast that you know, Like no, 167 00:08:23,040 --> 00:08:25,200 Speaker 3: but my mom was like, let's just do the audition. 168 00:08:25,480 --> 00:08:28,400 Speaker 3: I'd never had any technical training or anything like that. 169 00:08:28,760 --> 00:08:31,240 Speaker 3: I went and did the audition, I got the call 170 00:08:31,360 --> 00:08:33,400 Speaker 3: back and then I got the acceptance letter. 171 00:08:33,880 --> 00:08:36,160 Speaker 2: And it really, I think. 172 00:08:35,920 --> 00:08:38,079 Speaker 3: For me, and I always say this to people when 173 00:08:38,120 --> 00:08:41,280 Speaker 3: they come talk like the performing arts just brings so 174 00:08:41,400 --> 00:08:42,920 Speaker 3: much out in you, you know what I mean, Like 175 00:08:42,960 --> 00:08:45,360 Speaker 3: from a young age, you just don't have any boundaries 176 00:08:45,360 --> 00:08:48,000 Speaker 3: and you let yourself go. And you know, I commuted 177 00:08:49,040 --> 00:08:51,560 Speaker 3: now as like an adult and a professional. I think 178 00:08:51,600 --> 00:08:53,920 Speaker 3: looking back on that and the dedication to you know, 179 00:08:54,240 --> 00:08:56,800 Speaker 3: get up at five am every morning and get on 180 00:08:56,840 --> 00:08:59,120 Speaker 3: the two trains and a bus and a walk, I 181 00:08:59,160 --> 00:09:01,840 Speaker 3: think it instill in me, you know, like you got 182 00:09:01,840 --> 00:09:04,040 Speaker 3: to work for it, like it doesn't come easy. And 183 00:09:04,559 --> 00:09:07,760 Speaker 3: I think I had somebody ask me a few months ago, 184 00:09:07,880 --> 00:09:09,079 Speaker 3: like why didn't you get. 185 00:09:08,880 --> 00:09:09,760 Speaker 2: Off the stop? 186 00:09:10,320 --> 00:09:12,160 Speaker 3: Like why didn't you get off the train the next 187 00:09:12,200 --> 00:09:14,400 Speaker 3: stop and like go, like you didn't have to go 188 00:09:14,440 --> 00:09:15,440 Speaker 3: all the way, you know what I mean. 189 00:09:15,280 --> 00:09:17,080 Speaker 1: Like nobody's like forcing you to do it. 190 00:09:17,120 --> 00:09:19,360 Speaker 3: And I was like, yeah, but it's like me, you know, 191 00:09:19,559 --> 00:09:22,240 Speaker 3: I'm yourself is your biggest critic. Like I was like, 192 00:09:22,280 --> 00:09:23,880 Speaker 3: I'm going to that school because I need to like 193 00:09:24,000 --> 00:09:26,440 Speaker 3: prove to myself that I can do this and the 194 00:09:26,520 --> 00:09:30,240 Speaker 3: opportunity and I yeah, I traveled and I did Newtown 195 00:09:30,360 --> 00:09:32,120 Speaker 3: and I couldn't have done it without my mom and 196 00:09:32,160 --> 00:09:34,360 Speaker 3: my sister traveled with me as well. But it was 197 00:09:34,840 --> 00:09:37,160 Speaker 3: I really do think it has shaped the person I 198 00:09:37,200 --> 00:09:37,760 Speaker 3: am today. 199 00:09:38,280 --> 00:09:41,000 Speaker 1: And do you find something I study acting full time 200 00:09:41,000 --> 00:09:42,520 Speaker 1: at the moment as well? Do you find me the 201 00:09:42,520 --> 00:09:46,480 Speaker 1: performing arts? It teaches you a discipline because they're all 202 00:09:46,520 --> 00:09:50,600 Speaker 1: about do the work, do the work right. You're getting 203 00:09:50,600 --> 00:09:52,640 Speaker 1: that as a kid man, Like how cool. 204 00:09:53,040 --> 00:09:55,760 Speaker 3: But I also do feel I feel like I probably 205 00:09:55,920 --> 00:09:58,440 Speaker 3: was like the worst student with the rules, like I 206 00:09:58,559 --> 00:10:00,760 Speaker 3: got the rules and I did the rules. But I 207 00:10:00,840 --> 00:10:03,040 Speaker 3: would also be that they'd be like, you know, ell, 208 00:10:03,240 --> 00:10:05,280 Speaker 3: you play the pretty blonde and I'd be like, no, 209 00:10:05,440 --> 00:10:07,880 Speaker 3: hell no, I'm going to play like the ugliest part 210 00:10:07,920 --> 00:10:10,560 Speaker 3: that I possibly can because I want to prove you wrong, 211 00:10:10,720 --> 00:10:11,400 Speaker 3: do you know what I mean? 212 00:10:11,679 --> 00:10:14,400 Speaker 2: I also just think you could be you know, you 213 00:10:14,400 --> 00:10:14,880 Speaker 2: could be you. 214 00:10:15,240 --> 00:10:18,040 Speaker 3: And I think you know where we are now is 215 00:10:18,080 --> 00:10:21,080 Speaker 3: we're all trying to fit into certain boxes or certain categories. 216 00:10:21,080 --> 00:10:24,440 Speaker 3: And I think when I was growing up that school 217 00:10:24,520 --> 00:10:29,080 Speaker 3: allowed me to be authentically me and not be judged 218 00:10:29,120 --> 00:10:31,920 Speaker 3: but applauded for being that virgin. And I think I've 219 00:10:31,920 --> 00:10:34,360 Speaker 3: carried that through my life, which is really nice. 220 00:10:34,640 --> 00:10:38,080 Speaker 1: And hearing about your studies after school studying with visual 221 00:10:38,320 --> 00:10:41,360 Speaker 1: is it visual merchandising, and then you went into interior design, 222 00:10:41,440 --> 00:10:44,160 Speaker 1: you were like I never fit the mold, like like 223 00:10:44,440 --> 00:10:48,000 Speaker 1: when you're saying like you would always wear different colors 224 00:10:48,000 --> 00:10:48,800 Speaker 1: and people would be in. 225 00:10:48,800 --> 00:10:52,280 Speaker 3: Blood, never fit in, Like I'm telling you, I never 226 00:10:52,320 --> 00:10:54,440 Speaker 3: fit in. I remember rocking up to like my first 227 00:10:54,440 --> 00:10:57,880 Speaker 3: class for visual merchandising, and like rock to. 228 00:10:58,000 --> 00:11:00,960 Speaker 1: All of these people like really chic dressed. 229 00:11:00,679 --> 00:11:03,240 Speaker 3: And I had a can goal like golf I had 230 00:11:03,320 --> 00:11:04,840 Speaker 3: on because they were in and they were cool. 231 00:11:04,880 --> 00:11:07,080 Speaker 2: I think Paris Silton was wearing one at the time. 232 00:11:07,360 --> 00:11:09,200 Speaker 1: You know, like and I did that. But but the 233 00:11:09,320 --> 00:11:10,400 Speaker 1: thing was is that. 234 00:11:10,880 --> 00:11:14,200 Speaker 3: I never I mean now reflecting like I could have 235 00:11:14,320 --> 00:11:16,280 Speaker 3: all of this crazy stuff going on with. 236 00:11:16,200 --> 00:11:18,000 Speaker 2: My outfits or my hair or stuff. 237 00:11:18,160 --> 00:11:21,079 Speaker 3: But I was so committed to you delivering one hundred 238 00:11:21,080 --> 00:11:24,040 Speaker 3: and ten percent to the course that you kind. 239 00:11:23,840 --> 00:11:25,880 Speaker 1: Of couldn't fault me. You could have a goal at. 240 00:11:25,840 --> 00:11:27,800 Speaker 3: Me for rocking up and doing you know, my assignments 241 00:11:27,840 --> 00:11:30,600 Speaker 3: out of the Landcom cosmetic station. 242 00:11:30,520 --> 00:11:32,559 Speaker 2: But I delivered what you asked for, do you know 243 00:11:32,600 --> 00:11:34,880 Speaker 2: what I mean? So my toolbox was a. 244 00:11:34,800 --> 00:11:36,800 Speaker 3: Makeup box and they were like, why aren't you carrying 245 00:11:36,800 --> 00:11:38,480 Speaker 3: a toolbox? And La, I don't want a toolbox. My 246 00:11:38,520 --> 00:11:40,520 Speaker 3: mom bought me a cosmetic box. That's how I'm carrying 247 00:11:40,520 --> 00:11:43,000 Speaker 3: my tools. I still got the job done, do you 248 00:11:43,080 --> 00:11:45,839 Speaker 3: know what I mean? And interior design was so hard 249 00:11:45,960 --> 00:11:51,520 Speaker 3: because there's so many rules and everything is deemed by 250 00:11:51,679 --> 00:11:54,320 Speaker 3: you know, like certain rules like you can't build certain things. 251 00:11:54,320 --> 00:11:56,720 Speaker 3: There's like shade that you can't shadow like. 252 00:11:56,840 --> 00:12:00,359 Speaker 2: It was so rule based that you know it. 253 00:12:00,360 --> 00:12:03,400 Speaker 3: It really kind of taught me to use that other 254 00:12:03,480 --> 00:12:05,920 Speaker 3: side of my head because I was so creative and 255 00:12:05,960 --> 00:12:09,040 Speaker 3: so out of the box that almost that course made 256 00:12:09,080 --> 00:12:11,120 Speaker 3: me get back in the box a little bit, which 257 00:12:11,240 --> 00:12:13,079 Speaker 3: was good because it's good to have. 258 00:12:13,120 --> 00:12:15,960 Speaker 1: Balance, and so was it the end of the year 259 00:12:16,040 --> 00:12:18,400 Speaker 1: kind of like I don't know how to describe, but 260 00:12:18,440 --> 00:12:20,160 Speaker 1: like when you kind of do that interview show where 261 00:12:20,160 --> 00:12:22,520 Speaker 1: someone from One Teaspoon was like, hey. 262 00:12:22,760 --> 00:12:27,240 Speaker 3: Yes, so I. It's so funny when you think back 263 00:12:27,280 --> 00:12:29,120 Speaker 3: to things, isn't it. You kind of have that moment 264 00:12:29,120 --> 00:12:32,800 Speaker 3: and you remember that person there you were. I had 265 00:12:32,840 --> 00:12:35,600 Speaker 3: my end of year exhibition where you did your final 266 00:12:35,600 --> 00:12:39,160 Speaker 3: works and everybody's were on, you know, on display for 267 00:12:39,240 --> 00:12:41,880 Speaker 3: industry types to walk around and have a look. And 268 00:12:41,920 --> 00:12:44,760 Speaker 3: then on the night where we opened the exhibition, I 269 00:12:44,800 --> 00:12:49,079 Speaker 3: actually won Most Promising Student, which was hilarious because again 270 00:12:49,200 --> 00:12:52,160 Speaker 3: I never wore black, I had acrylic fingernails, I had 271 00:12:52,200 --> 00:12:53,240 Speaker 3: platinum blonde hair. 272 00:12:53,559 --> 00:12:55,640 Speaker 1: I used to wear ug boots like it was a hole. 273 00:12:56,160 --> 00:12:57,120 Speaker 1: I remember im. 274 00:12:57,920 --> 00:13:00,839 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, we've all kind of I think there was 275 00:13:00,880 --> 00:13:03,960 Speaker 3: a denim skirt that went with those ugs. But there 276 00:13:04,040 --> 00:13:07,160 Speaker 3: was a girl that was working for One Teaspoon and 277 00:13:07,240 --> 00:13:10,520 Speaker 3: she came past and obviously saw something in me and 278 00:13:10,559 --> 00:13:13,400 Speaker 3: in my presentation and said, you want an interview for 279 00:13:13,880 --> 00:13:17,679 Speaker 3: a visual merchantob a visual merchandising job with One Teaspoon. 280 00:13:18,120 --> 00:13:20,600 Speaker 3: And I was like, this is so random because previous 281 00:13:20,720 --> 00:13:22,120 Speaker 3: to studying interior design. 282 00:13:22,200 --> 00:13:24,720 Speaker 2: I actually studied visual merchandising. 283 00:13:24,160 --> 00:13:26,520 Speaker 3: But I didn't think it was right for me because 284 00:13:26,800 --> 00:13:28,920 Speaker 3: I had to wear white booties to get into a 285 00:13:28,960 --> 00:13:31,400 Speaker 3: window and not touch anything, and you had to work 286 00:13:31,440 --> 00:13:33,360 Speaker 3: after dark. So that it was like the magic of 287 00:13:33,400 --> 00:13:35,880 Speaker 3: when they opened the store up and she was like, 288 00:13:35,880 --> 00:13:38,520 Speaker 3: come an interview, and I went to this place called 289 00:13:38,559 --> 00:13:42,760 Speaker 3: the Pink Factory, which was in Redfern that Jamie Blakey, 290 00:13:42,760 --> 00:13:45,840 Speaker 3: who owns One Teaspoon, had and I remember walking in 291 00:13:45,880 --> 00:13:49,719 Speaker 3: there and these women were in there and they were amazing, 292 00:13:49,880 --> 00:13:52,360 Speaker 3: Like Jamie was there, there were the designers were there, 293 00:13:52,400 --> 00:13:55,920 Speaker 3: there was pr there. It was just I remember calling 294 00:13:55,960 --> 00:13:59,640 Speaker 3: my mom after doing the interview and saying like, I'll 295 00:13:59,640 --> 00:14:02,120 Speaker 3: work for free. I just need to be part of 296 00:14:02,160 --> 00:14:05,840 Speaker 3: this environment. And now again like I look back on it, 297 00:14:05,920 --> 00:14:09,040 Speaker 3: and they were these incredible women that were, you know, 298 00:14:09,120 --> 00:14:13,120 Speaker 3: running these these startup businesses that had created you know, 299 00:14:13,240 --> 00:14:16,880 Speaker 3: these iconic denim shorts and a brand, and to be 300 00:14:16,960 --> 00:14:19,440 Speaker 3: part of that was so amazing and I just like, now, 301 00:14:19,480 --> 00:14:21,440 Speaker 3: I'm just so cool that it was women, you know, 302 00:14:21,760 --> 00:14:23,680 Speaker 3: like yeah. 303 00:14:23,360 --> 00:14:26,360 Speaker 1: And it's and I think you had to commute ages 304 00:14:26,440 --> 00:14:29,000 Speaker 1: as well for that, right, yeah, I lied and said 305 00:14:29,480 --> 00:14:30,800 Speaker 1: that's so bad. You should never lie. 306 00:14:30,840 --> 00:14:32,920 Speaker 3: But I lied and said I lived in Bondai because 307 00:14:32,960 --> 00:14:35,360 Speaker 3: I didn't want to be I didn't want to not 308 00:14:35,400 --> 00:14:37,320 Speaker 3: get the job because I didn't live in Sydney, do 309 00:14:37,360 --> 00:14:38,720 Speaker 3: you know what I mean? When I lived in Terry 310 00:14:38,720 --> 00:14:41,720 Speaker 3: Gul And I lied and I said, I live in Bondai. 311 00:14:42,120 --> 00:14:44,880 Speaker 3: It's all good, you know. And then I used to 312 00:14:44,880 --> 00:14:46,760 Speaker 3: get up and get on a five am train and 313 00:14:46,760 --> 00:14:49,000 Speaker 3: then I finished work at like six thirty or seven 314 00:14:49,040 --> 00:14:51,880 Speaker 3: and commute back home, so get home at like nine 315 00:14:52,160 --> 00:14:56,200 Speaker 3: and then go again. And one day we had like 316 00:14:56,240 --> 00:14:59,280 Speaker 3: a call time of like five am, and I remember 317 00:14:59,280 --> 00:15:01,160 Speaker 3: I was on the train at like three am in 318 00:15:01,160 --> 00:15:03,760 Speaker 3: the morning to get there at five. But I was 319 00:15:03,920 --> 00:15:07,360 Speaker 3: so dedicated and I so wanted that job, do you 320 00:15:07,360 --> 00:15:09,960 Speaker 3: know what I mean? And the travel just kind of 321 00:15:10,240 --> 00:15:12,680 Speaker 3: was just part of I never got my license until 322 00:15:12,680 --> 00:15:15,720 Speaker 3: I was like twenty, in my mid twenties, Like it 323 00:15:15,880 --> 00:15:17,600 Speaker 3: just was like what I had to do, and it 324 00:15:17,680 --> 00:15:20,480 Speaker 3: just didn't really you know, Like now I'm like, oh 325 00:15:20,520 --> 00:15:22,440 Speaker 3: my goodness, it takes you know, thirty minutes to get 326 00:15:22,480 --> 00:15:23,160 Speaker 3: up Bondo route. 327 00:15:23,240 --> 00:15:24,880 Speaker 2: But before I was like I was. 328 00:15:24,840 --> 00:15:27,960 Speaker 3: Like two and a half three hours. That's fine, it's fine. 329 00:15:28,080 --> 00:15:29,920 Speaker 3: I think you just when you want something, you just 330 00:15:29,960 --> 00:15:32,400 Speaker 3: go for it. And I think I think I really 331 00:15:32,440 --> 00:15:35,600 Speaker 3: really wanted whatever was happening there. 332 00:15:35,640 --> 00:15:38,600 Speaker 1: I wanted to be part of. And again it taps 333 00:15:38,640 --> 00:15:41,240 Speaker 1: into that discipline work ethic as well. You're like, well, 334 00:15:41,240 --> 00:15:43,320 Speaker 1: I'll do whatever I have to do to take in 335 00:15:43,360 --> 00:15:46,520 Speaker 1: this position. Yeah. So it was when you were at 336 00:15:46,560 --> 00:15:49,520 Speaker 1: General Pants that you started doing like the outfit of 337 00:15:49,560 --> 00:15:51,840 Speaker 1: the day. Did you start putting up? And is that 338 00:15:51,880 --> 00:15:53,520 Speaker 1: where they all hate us begun? 339 00:15:54,080 --> 00:15:58,280 Speaker 3: So it was actually funnily enough, And I owe Jamie 340 00:15:58,320 --> 00:16:00,720 Speaker 3: from One Tea Spoon this. She was seeing what I 341 00:16:00,760 --> 00:16:02,280 Speaker 3: was doing at One Tea Spoon and a job had 342 00:16:02,280 --> 00:16:05,160 Speaker 3: come up at General Pants, and she actually put me 343 00:16:05,320 --> 00:16:07,800 Speaker 3: forward for the job. And you know, I've always tried 344 00:16:07,840 --> 00:16:10,160 Speaker 3: to carry that on professionally with me. 345 00:16:10,280 --> 00:16:11,440 Speaker 2: Now if I see. 346 00:16:11,240 --> 00:16:13,440 Speaker 3: Somebody and I can raise them up, I always try 347 00:16:13,440 --> 00:16:13,800 Speaker 3: to do it. 348 00:16:13,840 --> 00:16:15,360 Speaker 1: Because I would never have. 349 00:16:15,320 --> 00:16:17,360 Speaker 3: Gone for that job at General Pants because I didn't 350 00:16:17,360 --> 00:16:18,720 Speaker 3: think I was good enough. I didn't think I had 351 00:16:18,800 --> 00:16:22,400 Speaker 3: enough experience. But she saw something introduced me and said, like, 352 00:16:22,440 --> 00:16:24,880 Speaker 3: go for this interview introduced me. I went for the interview. 353 00:16:26,040 --> 00:16:28,440 Speaker 3: I was so scared of going to the interview. I 354 00:16:28,480 --> 00:16:31,400 Speaker 3: canceled the interview like three times that the head of 355 00:16:31,440 --> 00:16:34,080 Speaker 3: Merchandiseeing tracked me down in the one Tea Spoons during 356 00:16:34,160 --> 00:16:36,760 Speaker 3: Bondai and I literally did the interview like on the 357 00:16:36,800 --> 00:16:40,200 Speaker 3: side of the road, like it was such a bizarre experience. 358 00:16:41,120 --> 00:16:43,280 Speaker 1: And he ended up offering me the job. 359 00:16:43,320 --> 00:16:45,800 Speaker 3: And he actually said to me, I know you commute 360 00:16:45,840 --> 00:16:46,760 Speaker 3: from the Central Coast. 361 00:16:46,920 --> 00:16:49,280 Speaker 2: If you take this job, you need to move to Sydney. 362 00:16:49,920 --> 00:16:52,400 Speaker 3: I was like, oh my god, like oh god, you know. 363 00:16:52,400 --> 00:16:54,240 Speaker 2: Like okay, yup, yup, yup. 364 00:16:54,280 --> 00:16:57,440 Speaker 3: So I signed on with General Pants and I signed 365 00:16:57,480 --> 00:16:59,520 Speaker 3: a lease in Bondai. But for the first six months 366 00:16:59,520 --> 00:17:01,920 Speaker 3: I still went back up to Terrrigor because I just 367 00:17:02,280 --> 00:17:03,680 Speaker 3: and I used to just be like, yeah, I'm going 368 00:17:03,680 --> 00:17:05,320 Speaker 3: around to London and I'd like get on the three 369 00:17:05,359 --> 00:17:05,959 Speaker 3: hour train home. 370 00:17:06,080 --> 00:17:08,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, because they just couldn't I just couldn't. 371 00:17:08,240 --> 00:17:11,359 Speaker 3: Fathom like being down here or by myself, and you 372 00:17:11,359 --> 00:17:13,600 Speaker 3: know what I mean, Like it was very daunting, and 373 00:17:14,320 --> 00:17:16,480 Speaker 3: so I just you know, but then bit by bit 374 00:17:16,560 --> 00:17:18,560 Speaker 3: I got more confident, and I you know, like I 375 00:17:18,640 --> 00:17:21,879 Speaker 3: started living down here in the apartment that I was 376 00:17:21,920 --> 00:17:25,919 Speaker 3: paying for so yeah, but whilst I was at GP, 377 00:17:26,680 --> 00:17:29,359 Speaker 3: and you know, like I said about one t screem 378 00:17:29,359 --> 00:17:32,280 Speaker 3: with General Pants, isn't it still is an institution. 379 00:17:32,600 --> 00:17:34,160 Speaker 2: It's such an amazing company. 380 00:17:34,560 --> 00:17:37,800 Speaker 3: Just everything that I think I put into work now 381 00:17:37,880 --> 00:17:41,080 Speaker 3: I learned at GP, just and so many other people 382 00:17:41,080 --> 00:17:42,720 Speaker 3: I worked with other same you know what I mean. 383 00:17:42,760 --> 00:17:45,800 Speaker 2: We all reflect on those days at GP and it 384 00:17:46,000 --> 00:17:47,040 Speaker 2: just just. 385 00:17:47,000 --> 00:17:49,080 Speaker 3: Amazing, you know, like it just it was everything that 386 00:17:49,119 --> 00:17:50,840 Speaker 3: you thought it was going to be and more so. 387 00:17:51,240 --> 00:17:56,040 Speaker 3: But when I was there, we I'm so inspired visually 388 00:17:56,200 --> 00:17:58,840 Speaker 3: that I used to kind of collect all these photos 389 00:17:58,880 --> 00:18:01,359 Speaker 3: and cover all the walls, and then from the walls 390 00:18:01,400 --> 00:18:03,879 Speaker 3: it ended up on a website which was they or 391 00:18:03,920 --> 00:18:06,359 Speaker 3: hate Us. And then that kind of you know, was 392 00:18:06,400 --> 00:18:10,280 Speaker 3: going and going, and then Instagram popped up during that cycle, 393 00:18:10,480 --> 00:18:13,480 Speaker 3: and in that time I had left General Pants and 394 00:18:13,560 --> 00:18:18,960 Speaker 3: gone over to Seafolly, and Seafolly was a global role 395 00:18:19,080 --> 00:18:22,600 Speaker 3: as their visual merchandiser, which actually got me traveling overseas, 396 00:18:22,640 --> 00:18:25,760 Speaker 3: which I'd never been overseas. And it's funny once you 397 00:18:25,880 --> 00:18:27,880 Speaker 3: kind of like you take that leap, You're just like, yeah, 398 00:18:27,960 --> 00:18:30,040 Speaker 3: let's go. I've been getting my passport and I was like, 399 00:18:30,240 --> 00:18:30,639 Speaker 3: let's go. 400 00:18:30,800 --> 00:18:33,520 Speaker 2: I'm going to Singapore, you know, like, let's do this. 401 00:18:34,119 --> 00:18:37,919 Speaker 3: But it was at Seafolly when Instagram started and my 402 00:18:38,040 --> 00:18:40,600 Speaker 3: sister said to me, you need to get off your BlackBerry, 403 00:18:40,720 --> 00:18:45,520 Speaker 3: get an Apple phone, get Instagram, and start documenting your outfits. 404 00:18:45,600 --> 00:18:49,960 Speaker 3: Because whatever I had done through life, people had always 405 00:18:50,040 --> 00:18:52,600 Speaker 3: kind of taken note of my outfits. And you know, 406 00:18:52,640 --> 00:18:55,120 Speaker 3: whether it was a thrift store dress that I bought 407 00:18:55,160 --> 00:18:57,720 Speaker 3: for fifty cents but then I'd sewn in a different way, 408 00:18:57,720 --> 00:18:59,879 Speaker 3: it had always kind of been part of my journey. 409 00:19:00,119 --> 00:19:02,919 Speaker 3: My outfits had always been a talking point. So my 410 00:19:03,040 --> 00:19:05,520 Speaker 3: sister was like, and I owe her for that, because. 411 00:19:05,280 --> 00:19:06,520 Speaker 1: I just did. I wouldn't. 412 00:19:06,520 --> 00:19:07,879 Speaker 2: I'd be still on a BlackBerry. 413 00:19:07,880 --> 00:19:08,960 Speaker 1: I loved my black Man. 414 00:19:09,720 --> 00:19:11,040 Speaker 2: But she was like, let's do it. 415 00:19:11,040 --> 00:19:14,840 Speaker 3: So I started taking these photos in the foyer of 416 00:19:14,920 --> 00:19:17,080 Speaker 3: c Folly, the poor girl at reception. I'd give her 417 00:19:17,119 --> 00:19:18,959 Speaker 3: my phone like every day and I'd be like, can 418 00:19:19,000 --> 00:19:20,960 Speaker 3: you stop a photo? And then on the weekends, my 419 00:19:21,040 --> 00:19:22,800 Speaker 3: sister would take photos of me in front of a 420 00:19:22,880 --> 00:19:25,760 Speaker 3: roller door, garage door in our street up the coats, 421 00:19:25,880 --> 00:19:28,600 Speaker 3: Like it's so funny how it starts like that. But 422 00:19:29,119 --> 00:19:32,560 Speaker 3: it just started to I think I got in at 423 00:19:32,560 --> 00:19:33,080 Speaker 3: the right time. 424 00:19:33,119 --> 00:19:34,720 Speaker 1: Like I got in right at the beginning. 425 00:19:35,160 --> 00:19:38,520 Speaker 3: People had really trusted my voice with they all hate us, 426 00:19:38,560 --> 00:19:41,199 Speaker 3: and they kind of got to know who I was. 427 00:19:41,280 --> 00:19:44,240 Speaker 3: So they were very familiar with the brand that was 428 00:19:44,280 --> 00:19:47,159 Speaker 3: el Ferguson, and then when Instagram popped up, they were like, 429 00:19:47,200 --> 00:19:49,400 Speaker 3: oh my goodness, this is like a behind the scenes 430 00:19:49,440 --> 00:19:53,639 Speaker 3: and I think I've always stayed really authentic to that page. 431 00:19:53,720 --> 00:19:56,600 Speaker 3: I'm very consistent with uploading and I mean I love it, 432 00:19:56,760 --> 00:19:59,159 Speaker 3: so it just has grown and grown and grown. 433 00:20:00,040 --> 00:20:01,959 Speaker 1: I had an interview with you where you said you 434 00:20:02,040 --> 00:20:06,199 Speaker 1: respond to every single DM and I was like, whoa. 435 00:20:06,600 --> 00:20:07,480 Speaker 2: That was jen Akin. 436 00:20:07,600 --> 00:20:09,560 Speaker 1: Jenna Akin about five years ago. 437 00:20:09,680 --> 00:20:12,359 Speaker 3: I met her and she said I always reply to 438 00:20:12,400 --> 00:20:14,880 Speaker 3: my messages and I was like, if you've got time 439 00:20:14,920 --> 00:20:16,359 Speaker 3: to reply, I've got time to reply. 440 00:20:16,520 --> 00:20:18,359 Speaker 2: So yeah, I always do. And it's funny. 441 00:20:18,520 --> 00:20:19,720 Speaker 3: I had a gold come out to me the other 442 00:20:19,720 --> 00:20:21,600 Speaker 3: way and she was like, my sister told me that 443 00:20:21,640 --> 00:20:23,080 Speaker 3: you helped her find your formal dress. 444 00:20:23,080 --> 00:20:24,960 Speaker 2: And I was like, who is her sister? And she 445 00:20:25,119 --> 00:20:27,800 Speaker 2: was like, you know, like Becky seven one seven. 446 00:20:27,920 --> 00:20:29,600 Speaker 3: I was like, oh yeah, I said, it's some links, 447 00:20:29,840 --> 00:20:32,600 Speaker 3: Like wow, Like. 448 00:20:32,520 --> 00:20:34,040 Speaker 2: Now I'm going to get in undated with you. 449 00:20:35,160 --> 00:20:39,160 Speaker 1: Sorry. So I'm so, I'm so glad you just brought 450 00:20:39,240 --> 00:20:43,080 Speaker 1: up Jenak And there's so many fangirl moments I have 451 00:20:43,200 --> 00:20:45,800 Speaker 1: to ask you about. But I watched this really awesome 452 00:20:45,840 --> 00:20:49,600 Speaker 1: YouTube tutorial of her doing this like nineties bomb shell 453 00:20:49,800 --> 00:20:51,120 Speaker 1: hair on you, because. 454 00:20:50,880 --> 00:20:52,440 Speaker 3: I'm the one in the hotel room that I ended 455 00:20:52,480 --> 00:20:55,399 Speaker 3: up looking like a show dog, that's the one that 456 00:20:55,440 --> 00:20:56,159 Speaker 3: you're referring to. 457 00:20:57,320 --> 00:21:00,280 Speaker 1: It did look amazing, though, I've got to say, but 458 00:21:00,320 --> 00:21:02,119 Speaker 1: it was so clear that you two had a friendship 459 00:21:02,280 --> 00:21:06,199 Speaker 1: and a very real kind of like makeship. Where is 460 00:21:06,200 --> 00:21:08,360 Speaker 1: it true that it start off with her sliding into 461 00:21:08,400 --> 00:21:09,119 Speaker 1: your dms? 462 00:21:09,200 --> 00:21:12,080 Speaker 3: Yeah, which that's why I'm like, people reply to your messages, 463 00:21:12,320 --> 00:21:19,359 Speaker 3: reply to your messages so bizarre, like bizarrely amazing, because yeah, 464 00:21:19,480 --> 00:21:22,639 Speaker 3: she slid in. Yeah, like five years ago during summer, 465 00:21:22,760 --> 00:21:25,199 Speaker 3: she'd come out to Australia. She was just launching the 466 00:21:25,240 --> 00:21:28,920 Speaker 3: Way in Saphora and she just said like, hey, babe, 467 00:21:29,240 --> 00:21:32,240 Speaker 3: like I love your style, like let's meet up. 468 00:21:32,400 --> 00:21:34,480 Speaker 2: And I remembering my manager. 469 00:21:34,240 --> 00:21:37,119 Speaker 3: And I was like, oh my goodness, like this can't 470 00:21:37,119 --> 00:21:38,800 Speaker 3: be real, do you know what I mean? And so 471 00:21:38,880 --> 00:21:41,720 Speaker 3: I wrote back and I said like, yes, hello, I'd 472 00:21:41,760 --> 00:21:43,760 Speaker 3: love to meet. So I took my manager with me 473 00:21:44,280 --> 00:21:46,400 Speaker 3: to meet her in her hotel room because I thought 474 00:21:46,400 --> 00:21:47,879 Speaker 3: I was going to get like sold off to the 475 00:21:47,960 --> 00:21:50,840 Speaker 3: Russian mafia or something, or I'd like they'd shave my 476 00:21:50,920 --> 00:21:53,399 Speaker 3: head or like you like who knows, you know, like 477 00:21:53,480 --> 00:21:55,960 Speaker 3: I'm that girl. I'm like always on the side of safety. 478 00:21:56,440 --> 00:21:57,720 Speaker 2: But I went and I met. 479 00:21:57,600 --> 00:21:59,560 Speaker 1: Her, and I literally walked in the door and she 480 00:21:59,640 --> 00:22:01,840 Speaker 1: was like, oh my god, it's ell Fangs And I 481 00:22:01,880 --> 00:22:03,520 Speaker 1: was like, dude, it's Jenakin. 482 00:22:03,640 --> 00:22:06,720 Speaker 3: It's like you know, but it was it was yeah. 483 00:22:06,840 --> 00:22:09,640 Speaker 3: And then we've ended up, yeah, just being really good 484 00:22:09,680 --> 00:22:13,480 Speaker 3: friends now, like really really good friends, and she's she's 485 00:22:13,520 --> 00:22:14,960 Speaker 3: somehow between a friend. 486 00:22:14,720 --> 00:22:15,679 Speaker 1: And a mentor to me. 487 00:22:15,800 --> 00:22:19,720 Speaker 3: I really admire the business that she's created, and you know, 488 00:22:19,880 --> 00:22:22,920 Speaker 3: the boundaries that she's broken down with you know, female 489 00:22:23,280 --> 00:22:25,840 Speaker 3: bosses and self made and all of that. And then 490 00:22:25,840 --> 00:22:28,760 Speaker 3: I also respect the relationship that she has with her husband, 491 00:22:28,800 --> 00:22:33,280 Speaker 3: Mike and how they work together, and just I really 492 00:22:33,320 --> 00:22:36,040 Speaker 3: admired that relationship that they have and the respect they 493 00:22:36,040 --> 00:22:38,720 Speaker 3: have for each other. And you know, whenever I think, 494 00:22:38,760 --> 00:22:40,760 Speaker 3: you know, Joel and I have worked twenty four hours 495 00:22:40,760 --> 00:22:42,560 Speaker 3: together and we're like in the middle of Palm Springs 496 00:22:42,560 --> 00:22:44,520 Speaker 3: and it's like forty five degrees. I'm like, take a 497 00:22:44,520 --> 00:22:47,240 Speaker 3: dip breath. Yeah, she did the same thing. We're in 498 00:22:47,280 --> 00:22:49,120 Speaker 3: it together, do you know what I mean. So she's 499 00:22:49,160 --> 00:22:50,639 Speaker 3: an amazing, amazing woman. 500 00:22:50,880 --> 00:22:54,399 Speaker 1: Yeah. There's so many things I want to lead on 501 00:22:54,400 --> 00:22:56,720 Speaker 1: from here, but you did just mention, Joel. And one 502 00:22:56,720 --> 00:22:59,800 Speaker 1: of the things that I completely like fangled over you 503 00:22:59,840 --> 00:23:03,920 Speaker 1: with big time was the Cosmo Bridle shoot. Yeah, dude, 504 00:23:04,000 --> 00:23:07,280 Speaker 1: was that like a dream gig? Were you just like, 505 00:23:07,440 --> 00:23:11,160 Speaker 1: pinch me now you look like a princessza? Thank you? 506 00:23:11,160 --> 00:23:13,080 Speaker 3: You know what's funny about that, just going back to 507 00:23:13,160 --> 00:23:16,520 Speaker 3: all the outfits and everything, there were so many beautiful 508 00:23:16,600 --> 00:23:19,960 Speaker 3: dresses there, like out of this world. But I had 509 00:23:20,080 --> 00:23:24,399 Speaker 3: arrived in this white shirt that I'd actually worn on 510 00:23:24,440 --> 00:23:26,960 Speaker 3: the plane back from LA the day before, and as 511 00:23:27,000 --> 00:23:28,679 Speaker 3: bad as I am, i'd put it on again to 512 00:23:28,720 --> 00:23:31,199 Speaker 3: go to the shoot, and I had it on and 513 00:23:31,240 --> 00:23:32,840 Speaker 3: I was like, oh my gosh, can I put this 514 00:23:32,880 --> 00:23:34,680 Speaker 3: skirt on with it? And can I just take a 515 00:23:34,840 --> 00:23:37,080 Speaker 3: can you guys just take a photo of it? Because 516 00:23:37,160 --> 00:23:39,760 Speaker 3: I think, like I just like it? And then when 517 00:23:39,800 --> 00:23:41,879 Speaker 3: the cover came out, it ended up being. 518 00:23:41,720 --> 00:23:45,280 Speaker 1: That that outfit amazing. I was like, oh my gosh, 519 00:23:45,359 --> 00:23:45,680 Speaker 1: it was. 520 00:23:45,680 --> 00:23:48,000 Speaker 3: Like that was a really nice moment because it ended 521 00:23:48,080 --> 00:23:52,119 Speaker 3: up being me. Yeah, well it was me like it 522 00:23:52,520 --> 00:23:54,399 Speaker 3: and it was just it was really nice to be 523 00:23:54,440 --> 00:23:56,520 Speaker 3: able to like have this and my sister was there, 524 00:23:56,560 --> 00:23:59,120 Speaker 3: which was beautiful, and I shot with Emily Obay, who 525 00:23:59,480 --> 00:24:01,960 Speaker 3: you know. I shot my first Cosmo cover week, which 526 00:24:02,000 --> 00:24:02,760 Speaker 3: was really amazing. 527 00:24:02,800 --> 00:24:05,240 Speaker 2: But to kind of get it and it be me 528 00:24:05,280 --> 00:24:05,600 Speaker 2: and this. 529 00:24:05,760 --> 00:24:08,639 Speaker 3: Dirty white shirt that I'd worn was even better, do 530 00:24:08,680 --> 00:24:09,320 Speaker 3: you know what I mean? 531 00:24:09,359 --> 00:24:12,439 Speaker 1: Like it was just cool. Oh my goodness. And I 532 00:24:12,520 --> 00:24:14,520 Speaker 1: quickly want to ask because I just love the shots. 533 00:24:14,680 --> 00:24:21,000 Speaker 1: You've done so many incredible campaigns. But the Billabong Miami, Yeah, 534 00:24:20,800 --> 00:24:23,880 Speaker 1: oh was that a dream? That was a real dream 535 00:24:23,960 --> 00:24:26,840 Speaker 1: that was amazing. I mean, like just getting. 536 00:24:26,480 --> 00:24:30,760 Speaker 3: To Miami was it was a dream that was interesting. 537 00:24:31,800 --> 00:24:35,679 Speaker 3: It was Billabong, Like I mean, I'm sure you've the 538 00:24:35,720 --> 00:24:38,359 Speaker 3: relationship that I've had with Billabong has just been incredible. 539 00:24:38,440 --> 00:24:41,400 Speaker 3: And to have been to have kind of ended our 540 00:24:41,600 --> 00:24:46,960 Speaker 3: collab in Miami with that range and the team around me, 541 00:24:47,119 --> 00:24:50,639 Speaker 3: and it was it was really surreal. It was it 542 00:24:50,840 --> 00:24:53,520 Speaker 3: just you know what, Like, there's so many moments that 543 00:24:53,520 --> 00:24:55,960 Speaker 3: I've been so blessed to be a part of and 544 00:24:56,160 --> 00:25:00,359 Speaker 3: and with people, and and like that everybody that was 545 00:25:00,520 --> 00:25:04,560 Speaker 3: part of that collab was so invested and so supportive 546 00:25:04,720 --> 00:25:07,639 Speaker 3: that it was so amazing, you know, and we all 547 00:25:07,800 --> 00:25:10,520 Speaker 3: like it just yeah, it was. I just remember when 548 00:25:10,520 --> 00:25:13,719 Speaker 3: we finished shooting in Miami and they were like, let's go, 549 00:25:13,840 --> 00:25:16,560 Speaker 3: We'll go have like a celebratory, like amazing dinner. I 550 00:25:16,600 --> 00:25:19,000 Speaker 3: was like, dude, we're going to get burgers. Like when 551 00:25:19,040 --> 00:25:21,879 Speaker 3: we all went and got these like really greasy burgers 552 00:25:21,920 --> 00:25:24,360 Speaker 3: in the middle of Miami, and it was it was 553 00:25:24,400 --> 00:25:26,200 Speaker 3: like it was perfect, do you know what I mean? 554 00:25:26,200 --> 00:25:27,679 Speaker 2: And I think that's what's nice. 555 00:25:27,520 --> 00:25:29,879 Speaker 3: When you get to share the moments with the people 556 00:25:29,920 --> 00:25:32,320 Speaker 3: that have been part of it, you know, all the way. 557 00:25:32,560 --> 00:25:35,040 Speaker 1: So that's another thing I love about you. When you 558 00:25:35,119 --> 00:25:38,200 Speaker 1: travel and you'll be shooting these epic campaigns in New 559 00:25:38,280 --> 00:25:41,199 Speaker 1: York or LA. You'll shoot these epic campaigns, and then 560 00:25:41,240 --> 00:25:45,120 Speaker 1: you'll eat burgers. I've noticed it on you to really 561 00:25:45,160 --> 00:25:46,440 Speaker 1: pull back on the burgers. 562 00:25:46,760 --> 00:25:49,560 Speaker 3: Over my latest health gig, I've had to remove all 563 00:25:49,560 --> 00:25:53,919 Speaker 3: delivery apps from my phone. I'm clean at the moment, 564 00:25:54,280 --> 00:25:57,200 Speaker 3: I think I had one too many burgers to celebrate 565 00:25:58,560 --> 00:25:58,960 Speaker 3: you like. 566 00:25:58,920 --> 00:26:02,480 Speaker 1: A bug have to, You've got to balance Out's actually potatoes. 567 00:26:02,600 --> 00:26:04,639 Speaker 3: I'm going to tell you my issue. It's potato. 568 00:26:05,240 --> 00:26:07,199 Speaker 1: I've watched I've seen you do an interview for and 569 00:26:07,240 --> 00:26:09,400 Speaker 1: someone's like, what's your dreat? You know, your all time food, 570 00:26:09,400 --> 00:26:14,000 Speaker 1: and you're like potatoes and the potatoes, and you like reiterated, 571 00:26:14,000 --> 00:26:18,879 Speaker 1: it's staring at me. And she was like, was like potato, potatoes. 572 00:26:19,200 --> 00:26:22,840 Speaker 3: She was like what, I'm like, potatoes, dool And I 573 00:26:23,040 --> 00:26:26,040 Speaker 3: really had to work through my potato obsession because it's 574 00:26:26,080 --> 00:26:26,679 Speaker 3: not good for me. 575 00:26:26,800 --> 00:26:28,120 Speaker 1: It's not good for my gut health. 576 00:26:28,440 --> 00:26:30,800 Speaker 3: So I've had to clear out and stop eating the 577 00:26:30,800 --> 00:26:34,800 Speaker 3: potato and moved to the sweet potato. Oh delesh, I 578 00:26:34,800 --> 00:26:35,159 Speaker 3: don't know. 579 00:26:35,680 --> 00:26:40,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm going to be honest with Yeah, there's nothing 580 00:26:40,280 --> 00:26:45,720 Speaker 1: quite the same as no potato. Yeah, I'm really glad 581 00:26:45,720 --> 00:26:48,359 Speaker 1: we touched on the potatoes. That's definitely a goal of 582 00:26:48,400 --> 00:26:48,840 Speaker 1: this time. 583 00:26:49,040 --> 00:26:52,040 Speaker 3: But the people are here, Okay. 584 00:26:52,119 --> 00:26:56,160 Speaker 1: I have to ask because I have an obsession with 585 00:26:56,359 --> 00:27:01,080 Speaker 1: Chris Kardashian. I now know that you have met. Yes, yes, 586 00:27:01,520 --> 00:27:05,240 Speaker 1: can you take me through being invited to Kim Kardashian's house. 587 00:27:05,800 --> 00:27:08,000 Speaker 1: You thought it wasn't real at first. You've got to 588 00:27:08,040 --> 00:27:09,280 Speaker 1: take me through this story. 589 00:27:09,720 --> 00:27:14,240 Speaker 3: It's such a I think with the announcement that the 590 00:27:14,280 --> 00:27:18,600 Speaker 3: show's ending, it really came back to me how blessed 591 00:27:18,640 --> 00:27:22,000 Speaker 3: I was to have that experience. And then even the 592 00:27:22,080 --> 00:27:25,480 Speaker 3: other week when it was the Skins one year anniversary, 593 00:27:25,640 --> 00:27:28,480 Speaker 3: she sent me a Barbie doll and a big gift pack. 594 00:27:28,640 --> 00:27:31,800 Speaker 3: I was like, I feel really blessed to be like 595 00:27:31,920 --> 00:27:34,560 Speaker 3: even in the same sentence of like what happens there, 596 00:27:34,640 --> 00:27:38,000 Speaker 3: because I do think they are incredible, Like they are 597 00:27:38,040 --> 00:27:43,200 Speaker 3: amazing business women there. They're just it and all of it, 598 00:27:43,320 --> 00:27:44,879 Speaker 3: you know, and if you don't like them, each to 599 00:27:44,920 --> 00:27:45,840 Speaker 3: their own, but to. 600 00:27:45,840 --> 00:27:49,760 Speaker 1: Me, like wow, oh no, no, there's something so inspiring 601 00:27:50,119 --> 00:27:55,359 Speaker 1: and empowering. Yes I'm a fan fan, yeah, which I love. 602 00:27:56,880 --> 00:28:00,679 Speaker 3: No, but that again, I do think you've got to 603 00:28:01,119 --> 00:28:05,800 Speaker 3: put out the universe what you want. And with saying that, 604 00:28:05,960 --> 00:28:08,760 Speaker 3: like Joel and I were watching the show the week 605 00:28:08,760 --> 00:28:10,639 Speaker 3: before I got the invitation, and we were on the 606 00:28:10,680 --> 00:28:12,679 Speaker 3: lounge and I said to him, oh my God, like 607 00:28:12,840 --> 00:28:14,840 Speaker 3: the greatest gift in life would be to like go 608 00:28:14,920 --> 00:28:17,240 Speaker 3: to a Kardashian House and like hang out with them. 609 00:28:17,760 --> 00:28:19,399 Speaker 3: And then like to the week to the date, I 610 00:28:19,480 --> 00:28:22,920 Speaker 3: got this random PI email saying like, you're invited to 611 00:28:22,960 --> 00:28:25,600 Speaker 3: the KKW launch and I was like, oh, I'm not 612 00:28:25,640 --> 00:28:27,959 Speaker 3: in LA, Like I can't go. I just kind of 613 00:28:28,000 --> 00:28:30,000 Speaker 3: like thank you, but no thank you. And then like 614 00:28:30,040 --> 00:28:32,040 Speaker 3: a few days later, I got another email going hey, 615 00:28:32,080 --> 00:28:34,879 Speaker 3: which is following out we haven't got your RSVP, and 616 00:28:34,960 --> 00:28:37,200 Speaker 3: I was like is this in LA and. 617 00:28:37,080 --> 00:28:37,840 Speaker 1: They were like yes. 618 00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:39,880 Speaker 3: And then you know, I kind of just said like, 619 00:28:39,920 --> 00:28:42,320 Speaker 3: are you guys covering flights and they were like no, 620 00:28:42,360 --> 00:28:45,400 Speaker 3: we're not covering anything other than like the experience to meet, 621 00:28:45,520 --> 00:28:47,560 Speaker 3: like keep me on ashing and I was like okay. 622 00:28:48,040 --> 00:28:50,320 Speaker 3: So then I like I was like hey, so I 623 00:28:50,400 --> 00:28:52,200 Speaker 3: looked at flights. I was able to get like a 624 00:28:52,280 --> 00:28:55,240 Speaker 3: cheap flight which was literally at like the back of 625 00:28:55,280 --> 00:28:57,400 Speaker 3: the plane, under the plane, like the worst seat possible 626 00:28:57,400 --> 00:28:59,560 Speaker 3: because it was so last minute. And then I checked 627 00:28:59,560 --> 00:29:01,600 Speaker 3: my calendar and I had the day free, and I 628 00:29:01,640 --> 00:29:03,640 Speaker 3: said to Joel, like, do you think I should do it? 629 00:29:03,680 --> 00:29:05,560 Speaker 3: And he was like, well, you could literally go on 630 00:29:05,600 --> 00:29:08,160 Speaker 3: Monday and like be home by Thursday, Like just do it, 631 00:29:08,240 --> 00:29:11,480 Speaker 3: you know, And I was like huh, you know, like I. 632 00:29:11,520 --> 00:29:12,520 Speaker 1: Was like okay. 633 00:29:12,680 --> 00:29:15,960 Speaker 3: And then again, like the random thing was is that 634 00:29:16,000 --> 00:29:19,400 Speaker 3: I bought this white dress and then decided to cut 635 00:29:19,440 --> 00:29:21,720 Speaker 3: it in half and put it back together, which then 636 00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:24,360 Speaker 3: later Chrissy Tiaguan ended up doing the same thing to 637 00:29:24,440 --> 00:29:27,160 Speaker 3: the dress, which was just bizarre because the dress is like, 638 00:29:27,320 --> 00:29:29,760 Speaker 3: was such an old dress and it was long. But 639 00:29:29,800 --> 00:29:33,320 Speaker 3: it's just funny how things like happen. And then I 640 00:29:33,600 --> 00:29:38,600 Speaker 3: landed in LA and I still just didn't think it 641 00:29:38,680 --> 00:29:40,440 Speaker 3: was real. Like I just kind of was like, this 642 00:29:40,600 --> 00:29:42,320 Speaker 3: is just not happening, you know what I mean, Because 643 00:29:42,320 --> 00:29:44,960 Speaker 3: I didn't have an address, so I had a time, 644 00:29:45,080 --> 00:29:46,600 Speaker 3: but I didn't have an address. And then when I 645 00:29:46,680 --> 00:29:49,760 Speaker 3: landed and checked in, I got an email saying the 646 00:29:49,760 --> 00:29:52,000 Speaker 3: car will pick you up at seven o'clock. Make sure 647 00:29:52,000 --> 00:29:55,000 Speaker 3: you've got photo ID including a passport. 648 00:29:54,520 --> 00:29:56,000 Speaker 1: With you, and I was like, oh lord wow. 649 00:29:56,120 --> 00:29:58,400 Speaker 3: And then I was like I really feel like they've 650 00:29:58,480 --> 00:30:02,000 Speaker 3: mistaken the names and it's elmc person I've invited. It's 651 00:30:02,040 --> 00:30:05,040 Speaker 3: not el Ferguson, and it's gonna be really really awkward 652 00:30:05,200 --> 00:30:08,000 Speaker 3: when I rock up and I'm like hey everybody, They're 653 00:30:08,040 --> 00:30:11,160 Speaker 3: like sorry you invited, and then I was kind of like, 654 00:30:11,640 --> 00:30:14,160 Speaker 3: I wonder if Jen had said something like I was 655 00:30:14,200 --> 00:30:16,560 Speaker 3: like maybe Jen, But then she was in Paris, so 656 00:30:16,640 --> 00:30:18,840 Speaker 3: she wasn't there. So I was like, I don't even 657 00:30:18,880 --> 00:30:21,800 Speaker 3: know anybody. And then I had booked hair and makeup 658 00:30:21,880 --> 00:30:24,360 Speaker 3: and they had come to the room and they were like, 659 00:30:24,360 --> 00:30:25,760 Speaker 3: what are you doing tonight? And I was like, I 660 00:30:25,760 --> 00:30:28,960 Speaker 3: think I'm going to the KKW beauty launch and they 661 00:30:28,960 --> 00:30:31,200 Speaker 3: were like what. They were like, there's like twenty five 662 00:30:31,240 --> 00:30:33,920 Speaker 3: people going. And I was like, I think I'm good. 663 00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:35,720 Speaker 3: I think I'm one of them, Like I think I 664 00:30:35,880 --> 00:30:40,360 Speaker 3: think I'm going. And then I me being the person 665 00:30:40,400 --> 00:30:42,640 Speaker 3: that I am, I had then booked a photographer to 666 00:30:42,760 --> 00:30:44,760 Speaker 3: like take some photos of me, so I had content 667 00:30:45,160 --> 00:30:47,000 Speaker 3: in case I got thrown out of the party, I 668 00:30:47,000 --> 00:30:49,040 Speaker 3: still would have some content that I was like in La. 669 00:30:49,120 --> 00:30:50,000 Speaker 1: So I shot this stuff. 670 00:30:50,040 --> 00:30:51,960 Speaker 3: And then the car picked me up the guy and 671 00:30:51,960 --> 00:30:54,800 Speaker 3: the guy was like, you know you're going to you know, 672 00:30:54,840 --> 00:30:57,560 Speaker 3: miss Kardashian West, missus Kardashian West house. I was like, 673 00:30:57,640 --> 00:31:00,520 Speaker 3: maybe I am. And then I just like sitting in 674 00:31:00,560 --> 00:31:02,040 Speaker 3: the car, the back of the car and we went 675 00:31:02,040 --> 00:31:05,480 Speaker 3: through the first security checkpoint and they gave my passport 676 00:31:05,520 --> 00:31:08,680 Speaker 3: and they were like, yeah, okay, second security check, passport, 677 00:31:08,760 --> 00:31:09,160 Speaker 3: Yeah okay. 678 00:31:09,560 --> 00:31:10,560 Speaker 1: And then I like walked up. 679 00:31:10,520 --> 00:31:12,400 Speaker 3: To the front of her house and they made me 680 00:31:12,440 --> 00:31:14,880 Speaker 3: like sign a release form to say if you're filmed 681 00:31:14,880 --> 00:31:15,360 Speaker 3: for the show. 682 00:31:16,120 --> 00:31:17,400 Speaker 1: There were two people in front of me. 683 00:31:17,600 --> 00:31:21,600 Speaker 3: I remember the door opened and they went left, so 684 00:31:21,720 --> 00:31:24,320 Speaker 3: I went right. And as I went right, I literally 685 00:31:24,360 --> 00:31:26,920 Speaker 3: walked into Kim and she was like, hey, how are 686 00:31:26,960 --> 00:31:29,920 Speaker 3: you what's happening l And I was like, this is 687 00:31:30,040 --> 00:31:34,440 Speaker 3: like out of control. And then it just like unfolded 688 00:31:34,560 --> 00:31:37,760 Speaker 3: with like me uploading one hundred thousand Insta stories and 689 00:31:37,800 --> 00:31:40,040 Speaker 3: like going into her bathroom at one point and calling 690 00:31:40,080 --> 00:31:43,280 Speaker 3: my manager, which was like three am Australia time, going 691 00:31:43,360 --> 00:31:46,960 Speaker 3: like I'm in the bathroom and it was just like amazing. 692 00:31:47,080 --> 00:31:48,200 Speaker 1: It was really. 693 00:31:49,400 --> 00:31:51,480 Speaker 2: It's like it's like everything you. 694 00:31:51,440 --> 00:31:52,520 Speaker 1: Can imagine it more. 695 00:31:52,680 --> 00:31:55,080 Speaker 2: It was very very well. 696 00:31:55,120 --> 00:31:57,640 Speaker 1: I remember this episode because it was the road room, 697 00:31:57,760 --> 00:31:58,360 Speaker 1: right was there a. 698 00:31:58,360 --> 00:32:01,240 Speaker 4: Whole and I'm in the back ground as the world's 699 00:32:01,320 --> 00:32:04,840 Speaker 4: tallest human. There's just like if you go back home 700 00:32:04,880 --> 00:32:07,440 Speaker 4: watch that episode now, you will see the tall blonde 701 00:32:07,440 --> 00:32:11,360 Speaker 4: Australian like in the back of every photo, like taking 702 00:32:11,400 --> 00:32:12,360 Speaker 4: photos of things like. 703 00:32:12,320 --> 00:32:15,640 Speaker 1: It was like photographed or fringe. It was like amazing 704 00:32:15,960 --> 00:32:16,560 Speaker 1: like on it. 705 00:32:16,880 --> 00:32:19,840 Speaker 3: But out of that I met so many amazing people 706 00:32:19,920 --> 00:32:22,200 Speaker 3: that I like work with now, which is really cool. 707 00:32:22,200 --> 00:32:24,600 Speaker 3: Which is funny that like I fast forward and so 708 00:32:24,680 --> 00:32:26,520 Speaker 3: many of the girls that were there that night are 709 00:32:26,520 --> 00:32:30,240 Speaker 3: doing so many amazing things. It's just really nice that 710 00:32:30,400 --> 00:32:33,360 Speaker 3: kind of you know, like Kim had us there and 711 00:32:33,400 --> 00:32:35,479 Speaker 3: like we were all there and didn't weren't doing our 712 00:32:35,480 --> 00:32:38,000 Speaker 3: own thing, And now like fast forward like four years 713 00:32:38,080 --> 00:32:40,360 Speaker 3: or three years, and like so many of the girls 714 00:32:40,400 --> 00:32:44,240 Speaker 3: that were there I have really like just done amazing things. 715 00:32:44,280 --> 00:32:45,760 Speaker 2: So I think it's really cool. 716 00:32:46,080 --> 00:32:49,320 Speaker 1: And is it true that like I know, I go 717 00:32:49,360 --> 00:32:51,320 Speaker 1: on about Chris because I'm a Chris fan, but christ 718 00:32:51,360 --> 00:32:54,840 Speaker 1: both straight away were like ol, like they knew who 719 00:32:54,880 --> 00:32:56,720 Speaker 1: you were, done their research. 720 00:32:56,880 --> 00:32:59,480 Speaker 3: It was weird because I then later tried to ask 721 00:32:59,520 --> 00:33:01,760 Speaker 3: the like pr because I was like, did you give 722 00:33:01,800 --> 00:33:03,400 Speaker 3: them like did they have. 723 00:33:03,400 --> 00:33:04,800 Speaker 1: Like bio cards on us? 724 00:33:04,840 --> 00:33:05,440 Speaker 2: You know what I mean? 725 00:33:05,480 --> 00:33:07,880 Speaker 1: Like yeah, they were like no, And like Chris. 726 00:33:07,720 --> 00:33:10,520 Speaker 3: And I had like this full blown conversation about Byron 727 00:33:10,600 --> 00:33:15,720 Speaker 3: Bay and my shoes because I bought the first ever 728 00:33:16,040 --> 00:33:19,600 Speaker 3: yeezy heels I had tracked down and had a personal 729 00:33:19,600 --> 00:33:21,480 Speaker 3: shop or buy them for me in New York, like 730 00:33:21,760 --> 00:33:23,920 Speaker 3: and then I'd warn them and she was like flipping 731 00:33:23,920 --> 00:33:26,320 Speaker 3: out like I've legit got this, I reckon, I've got 732 00:33:26,320 --> 00:33:28,680 Speaker 3: the video on here, which is just it was so 733 00:33:29,840 --> 00:33:35,040 Speaker 3: the real and she was so lovely Chris like amazing, 734 00:33:35,160 --> 00:33:36,840 Speaker 3: and she just I was like, please adopt me. 735 00:33:36,880 --> 00:33:39,520 Speaker 2: And then I came and was like calling myself kel 736 00:33:39,720 --> 00:33:40,400 Speaker 2: for a good month. 737 00:33:40,560 --> 00:33:43,200 Speaker 3: So people were like, Okay, you went there, you can 738 00:33:43,200 --> 00:33:44,840 Speaker 3: go and I'm like, no, no, no, I would fit 739 00:33:45,080 --> 00:33:46,440 Speaker 3: so well into that family. 740 00:33:47,040 --> 00:33:48,120 Speaker 1: She just was cool. 741 00:33:48,240 --> 00:33:51,880 Speaker 3: They just were like there's something about La and America 742 00:33:51,920 --> 00:33:54,400 Speaker 3: where I feel like there's no tall poppy syndrome and 743 00:33:54,560 --> 00:33:57,520 Speaker 3: totally like they just lift each other up, you know what. 744 00:33:57,840 --> 00:34:02,480 Speaker 3: Like I just feel like there's a very good vibe there. 745 00:34:02,600 --> 00:34:05,640 Speaker 3: And it was even there that night that everybody was 746 00:34:05,680 --> 00:34:09,360 Speaker 3: like introduced to everybody and it just was nice, you 747 00:34:09,400 --> 00:34:09,480 Speaker 3: know what. 748 00:34:09,600 --> 00:34:12,000 Speaker 1: I Kim took her shoes off at one. 749 00:34:11,880 --> 00:34:14,799 Speaker 3: Point and just was like you're in my mouse, you know, 750 00:34:15,080 --> 00:34:18,720 Speaker 3: Like it was a really good feeling. And people often 751 00:34:18,760 --> 00:34:20,680 Speaker 3: say to me like, you know, like what was she 752 00:34:20,840 --> 00:34:23,880 Speaker 3: like and Raraan I was like she was absolutely incredible, 753 00:34:24,360 --> 00:34:28,120 Speaker 3: like she loved amazing, and everybody that worked for her 754 00:34:28,239 --> 00:34:33,839 Speaker 3: was amazing, Like I had. I just grewsome balls and 755 00:34:33,960 --> 00:34:36,000 Speaker 3: grabbed everybody that I'd ever seen on the show for 756 00:34:36,040 --> 00:34:38,000 Speaker 3: a photo. And then when I didn't light the photo, 757 00:34:38,040 --> 00:34:39,799 Speaker 3: I pulled them back into the booth and I was like, 758 00:34:39,920 --> 00:34:40,680 Speaker 3: let's go again. 759 00:34:41,560 --> 00:34:44,480 Speaker 1: Is it true you asked Kim, Kardashi and West to 760 00:34:44,840 --> 00:34:47,759 Speaker 1: take selfies three times over because you weren't how I 761 00:34:47,800 --> 00:34:50,560 Speaker 1: looked at the wrong Because I looked at the wrong spot. 762 00:34:50,760 --> 00:34:53,400 Speaker 3: Is a series of photos and I'm like, legitimately looking 763 00:34:53,440 --> 00:34:54,040 Speaker 3: off camera. 764 00:34:54,080 --> 00:34:56,120 Speaker 1: And then I was like, you know what, this might 765 00:34:56,200 --> 00:35:00,520 Speaker 1: never happened again, Let's go for it. Couldn't in that 766 00:35:00,560 --> 00:35:03,640 Speaker 1: boost with me. She was like, yeah, totally, But they 767 00:35:03,680 --> 00:35:04,799 Speaker 1: get it, you know what I mean? 768 00:35:05,239 --> 00:35:07,400 Speaker 3: Like, I think that's what's quite amazing, and I think 769 00:35:08,000 --> 00:35:09,120 Speaker 3: we're still kind of. 770 00:35:09,360 --> 00:35:12,840 Speaker 1: Cottoning on here. Is that that's the business? 771 00:35:13,239 --> 00:35:15,640 Speaker 3: You know what I mean by heard going back in 772 00:35:15,680 --> 00:35:18,440 Speaker 3: three times so I get a good photo? Is us 773 00:35:18,480 --> 00:35:21,440 Speaker 3: having this amazing conversation about how incredible she is? And 774 00:35:21,480 --> 00:35:23,880 Speaker 3: I mean I bought a whole lot of KKW beauty 775 00:35:23,920 --> 00:35:26,719 Speaker 3: like three days ago because I genuinely love her and 776 00:35:26,760 --> 00:35:29,080 Speaker 3: I love the product, so it works. 777 00:35:29,160 --> 00:35:32,080 Speaker 2: And I think that's how I like to run my business. 778 00:35:32,280 --> 00:35:33,759 Speaker 3: Is I like to be a good person so that 779 00:35:33,880 --> 00:35:36,839 Speaker 3: you're buying into the brand because you like the person you. 780 00:35:36,800 --> 00:35:40,719 Speaker 1: Know, and it's a connection to Yeah. Just so if 781 00:35:40,719 --> 00:35:43,799 Speaker 1: anyone wants to see that footage of you, No, no, 782 00:35:44,120 --> 00:35:47,799 Speaker 1: a fan has put it all on YouTube. No. Yes, 783 00:35:47,960 --> 00:35:49,240 Speaker 1: I watched the whole scene. 784 00:35:49,520 --> 00:35:51,640 Speaker 3: I've seen his idiot whether they have to like Google 785 00:35:51,840 --> 00:35:53,320 Speaker 3: like episode stop. 786 00:35:53,840 --> 00:35:58,520 Speaker 1: No, seriously, they've literally got your ig or your ig stories, 787 00:35:59,360 --> 00:36:00,560 Speaker 1: Senul you please? 788 00:36:00,840 --> 00:36:02,520 Speaker 3: Do you know what I'd love if that was secretly 789 00:36:02,560 --> 00:36:05,480 Speaker 3: me and I had secretly created this YouTube channel. 790 00:36:05,760 --> 00:36:08,040 Speaker 1: It did look like it was yours, but it looked amazing. 791 00:36:08,280 --> 00:36:11,560 Speaker 1: It was great. It's Chris going, oh my god, your shoes, 792 00:36:11,640 --> 00:36:14,239 Speaker 1: like straight away talking about your shoes. Oh my god. 793 00:36:14,239 --> 00:36:16,120 Speaker 3: I'm gonna have a really productive afternoon. 794 00:36:16,120 --> 00:36:20,239 Speaker 1: This afternoon, I'm going to relive that whole experience. That's too. 795 00:36:20,440 --> 00:36:22,120 Speaker 1: The best part was you know what I mean? 796 00:36:22,120 --> 00:36:24,719 Speaker 3: I say the best part was Australia was asleep when 797 00:36:24,760 --> 00:36:28,320 Speaker 3: it happened. Yes, so No, I had like no voices 798 00:36:28,320 --> 00:36:30,880 Speaker 3: in my head. I just went for it, like instead 799 00:36:30,920 --> 00:36:34,200 Speaker 3: of being kind of like saying and even even having 800 00:36:34,280 --> 00:36:36,959 Speaker 3: to go there by myself, because I mean you would 801 00:36:37,000 --> 00:36:39,560 Speaker 3: know normally you bring your manager or you bring you know, 802 00:36:39,600 --> 00:36:41,840 Speaker 3: your partner with you something, and they were like, no 803 00:36:41,920 --> 00:36:45,000 Speaker 3: plus ones, it's just you kind of going on my 804 00:36:45,080 --> 00:36:47,240 Speaker 3: own and having no other. 805 00:36:47,160 --> 00:36:48,120 Speaker 2: Noise and just do it. 806 00:36:48,280 --> 00:36:52,000 Speaker 3: Like doing it was really amazing because it just those 807 00:36:52,040 --> 00:36:54,680 Speaker 3: situations can be really scary, and I just was like, well, 808 00:36:54,840 --> 00:36:56,920 Speaker 3: they carry me out because I took too many selfies. 809 00:36:56,920 --> 00:36:57,879 Speaker 2: At least I got this help. 810 00:37:00,400 --> 00:37:06,480 Speaker 1: So this brings me to your wonderful products, the all effect. 811 00:37:06,840 --> 00:37:09,160 Speaker 1: But is it true, just before I go into that, 812 00:37:09,160 --> 00:37:13,799 Speaker 1: that both Jen Atkins and Kim Kardashian have supported supported you? Yeah? Yeah, 813 00:37:13,840 --> 00:37:15,280 Speaker 1: they have so amazing. 814 00:37:15,760 --> 00:37:17,480 Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, it was really incredible. 815 00:37:17,480 --> 00:37:21,560 Speaker 3: When I first launched, I sent both of them, you know, 816 00:37:21,680 --> 00:37:24,239 Speaker 3: a bottle of myself tana that I launched with, and 817 00:37:24,680 --> 00:37:27,640 Speaker 3: both of them supported. I mean, you know, Kim posted 818 00:37:27,680 --> 00:37:30,239 Speaker 3: it all over Instagram and said it's a great tan, 819 00:37:30,440 --> 00:37:33,480 Speaker 3: and Jen the same, you know, And I just think 820 00:37:33,520 --> 00:37:36,920 Speaker 3: that is really something I feel so strongly about, is 821 00:37:36,960 --> 00:37:39,919 Speaker 3: that we need to be lifting other women and men up, 822 00:37:40,000 --> 00:37:41,920 Speaker 3: you know what I mean, Like it's not a threat 823 00:37:41,960 --> 00:37:44,799 Speaker 3: there's enough pie for everybody. And I think if you 824 00:37:44,880 --> 00:37:48,919 Speaker 3: can lead by example like they have, it's a really 825 00:37:49,040 --> 00:37:49,840 Speaker 3: nice place to be. 826 00:37:50,680 --> 00:37:53,279 Speaker 1: Totally, we've got a massive storm going on here, so 827 00:37:53,320 --> 00:37:55,120 Speaker 1: if you can hear it, I apologize, but I think 828 00:37:55,160 --> 00:37:59,520 Speaker 1: you'll be okay with the mic. So I was googling 829 00:38:00,040 --> 00:38:04,200 Speaker 1: al Effect and you it's now in Selfridges in am 830 00:38:04,200 --> 00:38:06,759 Speaker 1: I saying, yeah, right in London, and then we've got 831 00:38:06,800 --> 00:38:09,640 Speaker 1: Meca of course. Yeah, it's pretty massive. 832 00:38:10,040 --> 00:38:14,839 Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm like yeah, you're like, yes, yes. 833 00:38:15,280 --> 00:38:16,839 Speaker 3: I know because I think of all the I think 834 00:38:16,880 --> 00:38:20,200 Speaker 3: of all the back end, but I think, yeah, we 835 00:38:20,320 --> 00:38:23,600 Speaker 3: now we ship globally from lifact dot com. But then 836 00:38:23,680 --> 00:38:27,240 Speaker 3: it's been really amazing to have these brands like Mecha 837 00:38:27,280 --> 00:38:31,000 Speaker 3: and Selfridges give us that tick of approval and have 838 00:38:31,080 --> 00:38:33,799 Speaker 3: our product, you know, stopped within their stores, which is 839 00:38:33,840 --> 00:38:37,080 Speaker 3: it's quite incredible because I've always been a beauty junkie. 840 00:38:37,120 --> 00:38:39,480 Speaker 3: I've been somebody that's always been into beauty from a 841 00:38:39,520 --> 00:38:42,520 Speaker 3: young age, you know, I was. I think I was 842 00:38:42,560 --> 00:38:45,160 Speaker 3: self tanning way before I should have been, but I 843 00:38:45,239 --> 00:38:46,080 Speaker 3: was doing it anyway. 844 00:38:46,200 --> 00:38:49,560 Speaker 2: But to be you know, locally with Mecca. 845 00:38:49,719 --> 00:38:52,640 Speaker 3: I remember growing up with Mecca and you know, getting 846 00:38:52,640 --> 00:38:55,880 Speaker 3: their Christmas catalog in the post and going into store 847 00:38:55,920 --> 00:38:58,759 Speaker 3: and trying you know, the lip venom and and you know, 848 00:38:58,840 --> 00:39:03,080 Speaker 3: like us, don't Kim Bassenger used it. That's why we 849 00:39:03,160 --> 00:39:04,280 Speaker 3: bought it. 850 00:39:04,520 --> 00:39:05,560 Speaker 1: I just remember. 851 00:39:05,600 --> 00:39:09,560 Speaker 3: I just remember it being the pinnacle of beauty and 852 00:39:09,880 --> 00:39:14,640 Speaker 3: brands and to have my product in that store, it's 853 00:39:14,760 --> 00:39:17,000 Speaker 3: such a huge achievement. Like every now and again I 854 00:39:17,360 --> 00:39:19,799 Speaker 3: walk into the store secretly and just go and look 855 00:39:19,840 --> 00:39:22,480 Speaker 3: at it on the shelf and go wow, because. 856 00:39:22,440 --> 00:39:27,080 Speaker 1: So you should, my friend. That's it's so exciting. But 857 00:39:27,120 --> 00:39:28,440 Speaker 1: I do want to know a little bit of the 858 00:39:28,440 --> 00:39:30,640 Speaker 1: back end because I can only I saw an interview 859 00:39:30,640 --> 00:39:33,120 Speaker 1: where you were, like I one hundred percent financially backed 860 00:39:33,120 --> 00:39:36,960 Speaker 1: myself for this. That must be must have been scary, exciting, 861 00:39:37,640 --> 00:39:38,880 Speaker 1: nerve wracking. 862 00:39:39,040 --> 00:39:41,640 Speaker 3: Yeah, all of the above. 863 00:39:41,760 --> 00:39:41,960 Speaker 1: Yeah. 864 00:39:42,000 --> 00:39:45,399 Speaker 3: Look, do you know what. My mom was very good 865 00:39:45,440 --> 00:39:48,239 Speaker 3: with money. She always saved her money. She always taught 866 00:39:48,280 --> 00:39:50,000 Speaker 3: us about money, you know what I mean, Like you 867 00:39:50,040 --> 00:39:52,359 Speaker 3: would never spend a dollar if you didn't have a dollar, 868 00:39:52,480 --> 00:39:55,000 Speaker 3: like we were. I don't have a credit card. I've 869 00:39:55,000 --> 00:39:58,040 Speaker 3: never lived on credit like anything like that. And I 870 00:39:58,080 --> 00:40:01,120 Speaker 3: think when it came to me deciding to do the 871 00:40:01,280 --> 00:40:04,520 Speaker 3: L effect. I really got in my head that I 872 00:40:04,560 --> 00:40:06,520 Speaker 3: would work, that I would work a job as el 873 00:40:06,600 --> 00:40:08,560 Speaker 3: Ferguson and then I would put that money in the 874 00:40:08,600 --> 00:40:09,600 Speaker 3: bank for L effect. 875 00:40:09,719 --> 00:40:11,040 Speaker 1: And I just. 876 00:40:11,000 --> 00:40:14,000 Speaker 3: Started doing it probably a good like, you know, two 877 00:40:14,080 --> 00:40:17,640 Speaker 3: years before I even went to making something, because I 878 00:40:17,680 --> 00:40:20,239 Speaker 3: knew I wanted to do something, and I also was 879 00:40:20,360 --> 00:40:23,880 Speaker 3: really aware that I wanted to do it, and maybe 880 00:40:23,880 --> 00:40:26,400 Speaker 3: the person that kind of made the decision, you know 881 00:40:26,440 --> 00:40:26,879 Speaker 3: what I mean. 882 00:40:27,040 --> 00:40:29,040 Speaker 2: So at the beginning, I. 883 00:40:30,080 --> 00:40:32,560 Speaker 1: You just also don't realize how much stuff costs. 884 00:40:32,880 --> 00:40:35,759 Speaker 3: Like I'm just gonna say that, like you just you know, 885 00:40:35,840 --> 00:40:39,800 Speaker 3: like freight, which isn't actually like a physical bottle. Freight 886 00:40:39,920 --> 00:40:42,160 Speaker 3: is just like the boat or the plane that takes 887 00:40:42,160 --> 00:40:43,480 Speaker 3: it from one place to the other. 888 00:40:43,960 --> 00:40:46,720 Speaker 2: Like it's really scary. 889 00:40:46,440 --> 00:40:49,760 Speaker 3: And you kind of when it is your own money, 890 00:40:50,000 --> 00:40:52,640 Speaker 3: you like you kind of lose your breath a little 891 00:40:52,640 --> 00:40:55,520 Speaker 3: bit when you you know you're paying the paying the invoices. 892 00:40:55,600 --> 00:40:57,440 Speaker 3: But then you've also got to take that leap of 893 00:40:57,440 --> 00:41:01,560 Speaker 3: faith and back yourself and believe in yourself. And I 894 00:41:01,640 --> 00:41:03,799 Speaker 3: really both Dole and I say this, I don't want 895 00:41:03,840 --> 00:41:05,759 Speaker 3: to get to a certain age and be like I 896 00:41:05,800 --> 00:41:07,160 Speaker 3: wish I would have done that, you. 897 00:41:07,080 --> 00:41:09,360 Speaker 2: Know what I mean. I really want to give. 898 00:41:09,200 --> 00:41:13,040 Speaker 3: This everything I can so that I don't live in 899 00:41:13,080 --> 00:41:15,319 Speaker 3: a life where I have regrets, you know what I mean. 900 00:41:15,400 --> 00:41:17,319 Speaker 2: And that's what I've done. 901 00:41:17,760 --> 00:41:18,279 Speaker 1: Thank you. 902 00:41:18,440 --> 00:41:20,640 Speaker 2: It takes a lot, Like I feel like I'm slightly 903 00:41:20,680 --> 00:41:21,120 Speaker 2: losing my. 904 00:41:21,040 --> 00:41:26,200 Speaker 1: Breath to say about it. Yeah, so I did. 905 00:41:26,239 --> 00:41:28,160 Speaker 3: And I think it's really important when I kind of 906 00:41:28,200 --> 00:41:31,560 Speaker 3: talk to you know, like on seminars like the Business 907 00:41:31,600 --> 00:41:34,879 Speaker 3: Chicks and things like that. I think it's really important 908 00:41:35,239 --> 00:41:38,040 Speaker 3: to kind of if you aren't going to get funding, 909 00:41:38,440 --> 00:41:41,680 Speaker 3: that you do save your money and work out where 910 00:41:41,680 --> 00:41:43,439 Speaker 3: you want to put your money, you know what I mean, 911 00:41:43,480 --> 00:41:45,839 Speaker 3: and don't overextend so you're going to be homeless. Like 912 00:41:45,920 --> 00:41:47,120 Speaker 3: you've got to be realistic. 913 00:41:47,160 --> 00:41:49,920 Speaker 2: And it's really funny because like when I first started. 914 00:41:49,719 --> 00:41:51,680 Speaker 3: I was like I want this and I want this, 915 00:41:51,840 --> 00:41:53,719 Speaker 3: and you know, I'm going to have like streamers pop 916 00:41:53,719 --> 00:41:56,000 Speaker 3: out of boxes when you open it, but like you 917 00:41:56,120 --> 00:41:58,120 Speaker 3: really need to like pull it back in. Something that 918 00:41:58,160 --> 00:42:01,200 Speaker 3: I really stand by is the product is the best 919 00:42:01,239 --> 00:42:03,640 Speaker 3: possible version, you know what I mean. Like, and that's 920 00:42:03,640 --> 00:42:07,160 Speaker 3: where I've invested everything that I can is to get 921 00:42:07,200 --> 00:42:10,359 Speaker 3: that product be the best possible product you can have 922 00:42:10,480 --> 00:42:11,520 Speaker 3: with my name on it. 923 00:42:11,440 --> 00:42:14,680 Speaker 1: And all the other stuff doesn't matter, you know, sand 924 00:42:14,760 --> 00:42:19,000 Speaker 1: it smells like roses use a big part of the recipe. 925 00:42:19,160 --> 00:42:21,920 Speaker 1: But yeah, yeah, and with the recipe on the I 926 00:42:21,920 --> 00:42:25,720 Speaker 1: guess the product development side of things. How long was like, Okay, 927 00:42:25,760 --> 00:42:27,680 Speaker 1: I've got this idea. I heard in few where you 928 00:42:27,719 --> 00:42:29,480 Speaker 1: were like, what are the three kind of things that 929 00:42:29,520 --> 00:42:32,239 Speaker 1: I love? And I'm known for the big bond hair, 930 00:42:32,920 --> 00:42:36,640 Speaker 1: the denim, and the tan, and so like, all right, 931 00:42:36,680 --> 00:42:37,319 Speaker 1: tan it is. 932 00:42:37,520 --> 00:42:40,279 Speaker 3: I'm going to find it's funny about the tan. This 933 00:42:40,320 --> 00:42:42,640 Speaker 3: is what and now in hindsight, it's a wonderful thing. 934 00:42:43,200 --> 00:42:46,480 Speaker 3: I think I knew too much about fashion at that point, 935 00:42:46,680 --> 00:42:50,600 Speaker 3: Like I knew how it worked where beauty I had 936 00:42:50,640 --> 00:42:53,560 Speaker 3: no idea, so I was like naive and I was like. 937 00:42:53,560 --> 00:42:57,080 Speaker 1: I can do this. I was like totally, you know. 938 00:42:57,080 --> 00:43:01,440 Speaker 3: And I think that added a little bit to me 939 00:43:01,640 --> 00:43:03,680 Speaker 3: taking that leap of faith. And when I speak to 940 00:43:03,719 --> 00:43:06,200 Speaker 3: girls and guys now about you know, starting in instagram, 941 00:43:06,200 --> 00:43:07,120 Speaker 3: a starting a business. 942 00:43:07,440 --> 00:43:09,399 Speaker 2: Don't compare yourself to anybody else where. 943 00:43:09,440 --> 00:43:11,680 Speaker 3: I think when I was making that decision when it 944 00:43:11,680 --> 00:43:14,439 Speaker 3: came to fashion, I was comparing myself to everything I'd 945 00:43:14,440 --> 00:43:17,520 Speaker 3: work of these amazing brands I've worked with, but with beauty, 946 00:43:17,880 --> 00:43:20,080 Speaker 3: I'd never dabbled in it, so I just kind of 947 00:43:20,120 --> 00:43:21,640 Speaker 3: loved it and was like, I love it. 948 00:43:21,680 --> 00:43:24,200 Speaker 2: I want to make my own, so I think you. 949 00:43:24,200 --> 00:43:27,480 Speaker 3: Really you kind of that being a little naive really 950 00:43:27,520 --> 00:43:31,200 Speaker 3: added to the hungerness of wanting to do it. Where 951 00:43:31,239 --> 00:43:33,120 Speaker 3: with the fashion I kind of knew too much, So 952 00:43:33,200 --> 00:43:36,680 Speaker 3: the beauty I was like, yes. But the funny thing 953 00:43:36,960 --> 00:43:39,280 Speaker 3: was is going back, you know four and a half 954 00:43:39,360 --> 00:43:42,560 Speaker 3: five years, nobody would take me seriously in Australia. When 955 00:43:42,560 --> 00:43:47,440 Speaker 3: I was approaching these chemists in these labs, I was like, hey, I. 956 00:43:47,400 --> 00:43:49,440 Speaker 2: Want to start development of a product. 957 00:43:49,520 --> 00:43:51,799 Speaker 3: This is what I wanted to be like, and they 958 00:43:51,800 --> 00:43:53,920 Speaker 3: were like, the first we can get you in is 959 00:43:53,960 --> 00:43:56,000 Speaker 3: eighteen months from now, and I was like, you know, 960 00:43:56,120 --> 00:43:57,759 Speaker 3: I was like I need to start this now, Like 961 00:43:57,800 --> 00:44:01,480 Speaker 3: I can feel this shift happening with the influencer to 962 00:44:01,560 --> 00:44:03,919 Speaker 3: the brand owner and I want to be like that's 963 00:44:03,960 --> 00:44:05,360 Speaker 3: where I see myself going. 964 00:44:05,400 --> 00:44:07,439 Speaker 2: I want to you know, I want to do this. 965 00:44:07,680 --> 00:44:11,520 Speaker 3: And it wasn't until I had met a lady that 966 00:44:11,760 --> 00:44:14,480 Speaker 3: was another female founder in America and she said oh, 967 00:44:14,520 --> 00:44:17,319 Speaker 3: I think I know a chemist in California. They might 968 00:44:17,400 --> 00:44:19,799 Speaker 3: talk to you. And I was like, can I which 969 00:44:19,880 --> 00:44:22,520 Speaker 3: can you? Can you introduce me? She was like of course, 970 00:44:22,880 --> 00:44:26,480 Speaker 3: she introduced me and they said right now. They said, 971 00:44:26,480 --> 00:44:28,000 Speaker 3: if you can pay the SAMP, if you can pay 972 00:44:28,000 --> 00:44:30,399 Speaker 3: the sample in the lab fee, and I was like yes, 973 00:44:30,520 --> 00:44:31,640 Speaker 3: and they were like, let's start. 974 00:44:31,880 --> 00:44:34,640 Speaker 1: And it's so funny. And I guess going. 975 00:44:34,440 --> 00:44:36,880 Speaker 3: Back to that whole La thing in America where they 976 00:44:37,000 --> 00:44:37,399 Speaker 3: kind of just. 977 00:44:37,360 --> 00:44:39,359 Speaker 2: Are like, you want to do this, go for it. 978 00:44:39,920 --> 00:44:42,839 Speaker 3: Like now those chemists are like banging on my door 979 00:44:42,880 --> 00:44:45,080 Speaker 3: saying like what can we want to work with you. 980 00:44:45,560 --> 00:44:48,400 Speaker 3: So it's and I really wanted to be Australian owned 981 00:44:48,400 --> 00:44:51,080 Speaker 3: and Australian made with my first product, but I just 982 00:44:51,120 --> 00:44:54,359 Speaker 3: I couldn't make it happen. So that's why we're made 983 00:44:54,360 --> 00:44:55,839 Speaker 3: out of California with the tan. 984 00:44:56,160 --> 00:44:58,000 Speaker 1: But you know, on top of. 985 00:44:58,000 --> 00:45:01,520 Speaker 2: Creating a product that I had never even and had any. 986 00:45:01,440 --> 00:45:05,600 Speaker 3: Idea how it worked, then having to do that with 987 00:45:05,200 --> 00:45:08,960 Speaker 3: a with an American company that their terminology, even though 988 00:45:08,960 --> 00:45:12,520 Speaker 3: they speak English, the terminology is completely different. Yeah, You're 989 00:45:12,600 --> 00:45:15,960 Speaker 3: like yeah, and it's like it's it was a real 990 00:45:16,040 --> 00:45:20,040 Speaker 3: learning curve to like work through the barriers there, but 991 00:45:20,320 --> 00:45:24,120 Speaker 3: we got we got a good product in the end, 992 00:45:24,200 --> 00:45:26,319 Speaker 3: and so we're still for that one tan. We're still 993 00:45:26,320 --> 00:45:30,440 Speaker 3: manufactured out of California, but the wash is now made 994 00:45:30,480 --> 00:45:32,560 Speaker 3: out of Melbourne, which is amazing. 995 00:45:32,719 --> 00:45:36,600 Speaker 1: Ah awesome. I actually love that part of your company 996 00:45:37,360 --> 00:45:41,000 Speaker 1: or branch, I say, is being manufactured in America because 997 00:45:41,040 --> 00:45:44,320 Speaker 1: even though you are the iconic you know, North Bonda, 998 00:45:44,320 --> 00:45:46,239 Speaker 1: I kind of girl that real, you know, but you're 999 00:45:46,280 --> 00:45:48,440 Speaker 1: also a Cali girl, like you can feel that. 1000 00:45:48,880 --> 00:45:51,080 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a vibe and I just there's a real 1001 00:45:51,160 --> 00:45:53,719 Speaker 3: vibe there. I love it and the girl, I just 1002 00:45:54,200 --> 00:45:56,439 Speaker 3: it's just a feel good And I'm glad you say 1003 00:45:56,440 --> 00:45:58,719 Speaker 3: that because I really try to kind of encapsulate that 1004 00:45:58,880 --> 00:46:00,680 Speaker 3: in what I do, do you know what I mean? 1005 00:46:01,360 --> 00:46:04,200 Speaker 3: And it's I do too. I think it's also quite 1006 00:46:04,200 --> 00:46:08,600 Speaker 3: amazing sometimes to branch out from what we know, you know, 1007 00:46:08,680 --> 00:46:11,040 Speaker 3: and I learned a lot of things, you know. 1008 00:46:11,480 --> 00:46:13,040 Speaker 1: I learn a whole lot of things. 1009 00:46:13,280 --> 00:46:17,319 Speaker 3: But it's been a journey and it's been an amazing one. 1010 00:46:17,320 --> 00:46:21,840 Speaker 3: And I think with anything, you just you grow, and 1011 00:46:21,880 --> 00:46:22,799 Speaker 3: it's all about. 1012 00:46:22,560 --> 00:46:23,440 Speaker 1: Growing, you know what I mean. 1013 00:46:23,480 --> 00:46:25,920 Speaker 3: And I think sometimes when you fail in the like 1014 00:46:26,120 --> 00:46:27,960 Speaker 3: you know, I don't know if you know this, but 1015 00:46:28,040 --> 00:46:31,279 Speaker 3: the first twenty thousand bottles that I had printed and 1016 00:46:31,880 --> 00:46:34,759 Speaker 3: delivered to my house in North Bondya because I hadn't 1017 00:46:34,800 --> 00:46:36,000 Speaker 3: secured a warehouse yet. 1018 00:46:36,040 --> 00:46:39,520 Speaker 1: So I was like, it's fine at my house, It's 1019 00:46:39,760 --> 00:46:40,440 Speaker 1: so fine. 1020 00:46:40,880 --> 00:46:42,759 Speaker 3: And I was like, you know, I'd forgot the fact 1021 00:46:42,800 --> 00:46:45,520 Speaker 3: that I didn't have a palette. Jack A Dole and 1022 00:46:45,560 --> 00:46:47,960 Speaker 3: I have a second story of an apartment building. But 1023 00:46:48,040 --> 00:46:49,759 Speaker 3: we were like it's fine, you know, like you like, 1024 00:46:49,800 --> 00:46:52,920 Speaker 3: it's fine. And then we literally carried twenty thousand bottles 1025 00:46:52,960 --> 00:46:55,440 Speaker 3: of self Towner up and covered our whole house in 1026 00:46:55,480 --> 00:46:59,000 Speaker 3: them to open the box and realize that there was 1027 00:46:59,040 --> 00:47:02,800 Speaker 3: the wrong crawl Free emblem on the back of the bottle, 1028 00:47:03,280 --> 00:47:06,000 Speaker 3: and I'll never forget standing there. Literally we carried them 1029 00:47:06,000 --> 00:47:09,319 Speaker 3: all up, opened the box, pulled out the bottle, and 1030 00:47:09,480 --> 00:47:12,799 Speaker 3: like felt physically ill by the fact that, yeah, the 1031 00:47:12,840 --> 00:47:14,960 Speaker 3: wrong sticker was on there. And then I just remember 1032 00:47:15,000 --> 00:47:17,560 Speaker 3: like standing there and I had the moment where I 1033 00:47:17,640 --> 00:47:21,920 Speaker 3: was like, you know, yeah, and then but then you 1034 00:47:22,080 --> 00:47:23,960 Speaker 3: kick into that other gear and we were like, okay, 1035 00:47:23,960 --> 00:47:26,440 Speaker 3: what can we do? And so we had to single 1036 00:47:26,520 --> 00:47:30,840 Speaker 3: handedly get a tiny, little white sticker and sticker that sticker. 1037 00:47:30,640 --> 00:47:32,560 Speaker 1: Over the emblem on the back. 1038 00:47:32,680 --> 00:47:35,040 Speaker 3: Yeah, and I mean the amount of people that bought 1039 00:47:35,200 --> 00:47:37,879 Speaker 3: those first bottles of Self Town thank you, but then 1040 00:47:37,960 --> 00:47:40,000 Speaker 3: peeled off that sticker to say, why is there a 1041 00:47:40,000 --> 00:47:40,719 Speaker 3: sticker over that? 1042 00:47:41,320 --> 00:47:43,719 Speaker 1: You know, like you're failing in front of everybody. But 1043 00:47:44,680 --> 00:47:47,319 Speaker 1: it's part of the journey, you know. So yeah, and 1044 00:47:47,360 --> 00:47:49,680 Speaker 1: I love that you share that because I think it 1045 00:47:50,440 --> 00:47:53,680 Speaker 1: you learn so much from that growth. And yeah, I've 1046 00:47:53,680 --> 00:47:55,359 Speaker 1: got a coffee company and we get it all sent 1047 00:47:55,400 --> 00:47:57,640 Speaker 1: to us and it's just like the whole way becomes 1048 00:47:57,680 --> 00:48:01,120 Speaker 1: boxes and I like, man, we need our sources pretty so. 1049 00:48:01,840 --> 00:48:04,719 Speaker 1: But there's something beautiful about being so hands on in 1050 00:48:04,760 --> 00:48:08,560 Speaker 1: that early days. And I'm just so wrapped that you've 1051 00:48:08,560 --> 00:48:11,560 Speaker 1: spoken about America because I also have a love, a 1052 00:48:11,640 --> 00:48:15,319 Speaker 1: massive love for America, and there is this sense of 1053 00:48:15,440 --> 00:48:18,879 Speaker 1: Americans evangelists, so they're like, yeah, you've got an idea, 1054 00:48:18,960 --> 00:48:22,880 Speaker 1: You've got a dream we can don't. Yeah, Australia is 1055 00:48:22,880 --> 00:48:27,200 Speaker 1: a bit like you've got an idea to know, And 1056 00:48:27,239 --> 00:48:30,759 Speaker 1: it's amazing that Australia is completely jumped back on board 1057 00:48:30,800 --> 00:48:33,080 Speaker 1: with you. But that's also common, like, you know, if 1058 00:48:33,239 --> 00:48:37,680 Speaker 1: you go to America, you have your Kardashian you know, like, 1059 00:48:37,760 --> 00:48:41,440 Speaker 1: I feel so happy that it's been such a positive 1060 00:48:41,480 --> 00:48:45,600 Speaker 1: part of your journey because yeah, I love America just 1061 00:48:45,680 --> 00:48:48,080 Speaker 1: like you do. In fact, I'm missing it a whole 1062 00:48:48,120 --> 00:48:48,520 Speaker 1: lot now. 1063 00:48:49,160 --> 00:48:51,879 Speaker 3: Yeah, can I tell you we went in We went 1064 00:48:51,920 --> 00:48:55,000 Speaker 3: in February and had the most amazing trip with Tresume 1065 00:48:55,320 --> 00:48:58,480 Speaker 3: through New York Fashion Week and it was one of 1066 00:48:58,480 --> 00:49:00,440 Speaker 3: the best trips I've ever had in life. 1067 00:49:00,719 --> 00:49:02,359 Speaker 2: And everybody that was on that. 1068 00:49:02,360 --> 00:49:05,160 Speaker 3: Trip we all had it, like and I can't thank 1069 00:49:05,360 --> 00:49:10,360 Speaker 3: Tresume enough for giving me that experience. But I miss 1070 00:49:10,600 --> 00:49:14,719 Speaker 3: America so much because it like fuels your tank. I 1071 00:49:14,760 --> 00:49:18,839 Speaker 3: feel like it it gives me. It just gives me, 1072 00:49:19,000 --> 00:49:21,600 Speaker 3: like it just gives me like passion, and it gives 1073 00:49:21,600 --> 00:49:25,240 Speaker 3: me excitement. And you know, even if it's just going 1074 00:49:25,280 --> 00:49:27,719 Speaker 3: there and not going to the Kardashian house, but it's 1075 00:49:27,760 --> 00:49:30,800 Speaker 3: just walking down the street and looking at and eating 1076 00:49:30,800 --> 00:49:35,480 Speaker 3: food and doing things. It really it fills you up. 1077 00:49:35,680 --> 00:49:40,080 Speaker 1: It really does, and there's like an air of inspiration. 1078 00:49:40,280 --> 00:49:41,759 Speaker 1: I feel like you and I will both be on 1079 00:49:41,800 --> 00:49:47,479 Speaker 1: that same first flight suit in a full suit. Yeah, yeah, 1080 00:49:48,080 --> 00:49:50,200 Speaker 1: no I do. There is and one more thing I 1081 00:49:50,239 --> 00:49:53,080 Speaker 1: have to say, I watch yours may add this morning, 1082 00:49:53,560 --> 00:49:57,640 Speaker 1: you little hottie with that beautiful hair. It was good. 1083 00:49:57,640 --> 00:49:58,759 Speaker 1: Do you know what's funny about that? 1084 00:49:58,800 --> 00:50:01,799 Speaker 3: We've like filmed that in like minus eleven degrees in 1085 00:50:01,840 --> 00:50:02,880 Speaker 3: the middle of the snow. 1086 00:50:03,000 --> 00:50:05,520 Speaker 1: There was like a blizzard, and they were like, look warm. 1087 00:50:05,560 --> 00:50:07,480 Speaker 3: I mean, I love my Chresume family, and they know 1088 00:50:07,560 --> 00:50:09,239 Speaker 3: I love them, so they don't mind me saying this, 1089 00:50:09,760 --> 00:50:12,160 Speaker 3: but they I just will never forget the one late 1090 00:50:12,239 --> 00:50:16,719 Speaker 3: producer going your hands look so cold, at least your hands. 1091 00:50:16,360 --> 00:50:18,560 Speaker 1: And I was like, but they're like they're frozen. 1092 00:50:19,239 --> 00:50:21,399 Speaker 3: That it was it was so fun like I mean, 1093 00:50:21,440 --> 00:50:23,359 Speaker 3: like I say, like we filmed that on like the 1094 00:50:23,360 --> 00:50:25,239 Speaker 3: top of a building in the middle of New York 1095 00:50:25,320 --> 00:50:28,600 Speaker 3: and it's like like experiences like that just I just 1096 00:50:28,640 --> 00:50:31,400 Speaker 3: think I've been really I mean, I've worked really hard, 1097 00:50:31,560 --> 00:50:34,719 Speaker 3: but I've been really blessed with so many opportunities and 1098 00:50:34,840 --> 00:50:36,879 Speaker 3: I feel really really thankful for them. 1099 00:50:37,440 --> 00:50:39,120 Speaker 1: And I can tell you, my friend, You've got a 1100 00:50:39,120 --> 00:50:42,160 Speaker 1: truckload more opportunities coming. This is it's going to be 1101 00:50:42,239 --> 00:50:44,000 Speaker 1: such an awesome journey to keep watching. 1102 00:50:44,160 --> 00:50:44,720 Speaker 2: Thank you. 1103 00:50:45,200 --> 00:50:47,000 Speaker 1: It has been an honor and a half to have 1104 00:50:47,040 --> 00:50:49,719 Speaker 1: you on this podcast. So nice to talk to you. 1105 00:50:49,920 --> 00:50:53,600 Speaker 1: I feel like this has been much a very overdue 1106 00:50:53,640 --> 00:50:54,360 Speaker 1: catch up from that. 1107 00:50:54,600 --> 00:50:57,960 Speaker 3: I also like, A'm laughing inside of you on that 1108 00:50:58,040 --> 00:51:02,600 Speaker 3: Style Squad episode, like I've got like this. I literally 1109 00:51:02,640 --> 00:51:04,520 Speaker 3: can see it because we didn't feel for the people 1110 00:51:04,520 --> 00:51:05,200 Speaker 3: that are listening. 1111 00:51:05,239 --> 00:51:08,160 Speaker 1: We didn't film on the same day. Nola was supposed 1112 00:51:08,200 --> 00:51:12,640 Speaker 1: to be like my best friend. I still remember your 1113 00:51:12,719 --> 00:51:16,359 Speaker 1: intro because our mutual friend Pip produced it and directed it. 1114 00:51:16,719 --> 00:51:19,800 Speaker 1: And Pippy has been on this podcast too, And I texted, 1115 00:51:20,160 --> 00:51:21,840 Speaker 1: I say, you'll never guess who's going to be on 1116 00:51:21,880 --> 00:51:25,319 Speaker 1: the pod, and I'd watched episode five, which was the 1117 00:51:25,400 --> 00:51:31,680 Speaker 1: one with Ben and I was team Beard that whole Yes, Yeah, 1118 00:51:31,920 --> 00:51:33,920 Speaker 1: but you were like, oh, I've got this mate, Lola, 1119 00:51:34,080 --> 00:51:36,800 Speaker 1: She's going to come in cuts to me. We haven't 1120 00:51:36,880 --> 00:51:40,120 Speaker 1: met at this stage, but you were great. You're amazing. 1121 00:51:40,239 --> 00:51:42,720 Speaker 3: You are my friend that made the really cool bliss balls. 1122 00:51:42,960 --> 00:51:46,880 Speaker 1: You were great. I just hope we get to cross 1123 00:51:46,880 --> 00:51:49,880 Speaker 1: paths many times. We will, do you know what. 1124 00:51:50,080 --> 00:51:52,880 Speaker 3: I think we are all going to come out of 1125 00:51:52,920 --> 00:51:55,880 Speaker 3: this so much more appreciative for these relationships and the 1126 00:51:55,920 --> 00:51:58,080 Speaker 3: people we have in our lives. And also I just 1127 00:51:58,120 --> 00:52:00,000 Speaker 3: have to say for the people that have supported us 1128 00:52:00,080 --> 00:52:02,760 Speaker 3: us through this time, and I think I'm really thankful 1129 00:52:02,800 --> 00:52:05,160 Speaker 3: for you having me on your show, and I hope 1130 00:52:05,200 --> 00:52:08,759 Speaker 3: I can support you because I just think the more 1131 00:52:08,800 --> 00:52:11,160 Speaker 3: we come together and the more we lift each other up, like, 1132 00:52:11,200 --> 00:52:13,560 Speaker 3: the better we are for it, and we're an unstoppable 1133 00:52:13,640 --> 00:52:15,880 Speaker 3: force like watch Out World, we. 1134 00:52:17,400 --> 00:52:21,080 Speaker 1: Come with the self down bliss balls. We are coming 1135 00:52:21,320 --> 00:52:25,640 Speaker 1: towards you, Al Ferguson, you have been an absolute dream 1136 00:52:25,960 --> 00:52:28,840 Speaker 1: and so I feel like you're my little cup of 1137 00:52:28,880 --> 00:52:30,000 Speaker 1: American inspiration. 1138 00:52:30,360 --> 00:52:35,520 Speaker 3: Yes, thank you very much, thank you, thank you for 1139 00:52:35,560 --> 00:52:36,000 Speaker 3: having me. 1140 00:52:36,640 --> 00:52:41,440 Speaker 1: Oh big love you beautiful thing. Yeah that's a wrap 1141 00:52:41,520 --> 00:52:46,880 Speaker 1: on another episode of Fearlessly Failing. As always, thank you 1142 00:52:46,920 --> 00:52:50,919 Speaker 1: to our guests and let's continue the conversation on Instagram. 1143 00:52:51,400 --> 00:52:56,560 Speaker 1: I'm at Yamo Lollaberry. This potty my word for podcast 1144 00:52:57,080 --> 00:53:00,920 Speaker 1: is available on all streaming platforms. 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