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Speaker 1: We know that efforts are underway to phase out middle

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Speaker 1: by combining Dawa Middle School and Darwin High School. Now

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Speaker 1: Acting Executive Director for Strategic Reform. David R.

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Speaker 2: Toy.

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Speaker 1: Good morning to you.

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Speaker 2: David, Good morning, Cody.

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Speaker 1: Lovely to have you on the show. David, talk us

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Speaker 1: through how the amalgamation work for Darwin and middle schools,

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Speaker 1: Dawa Middle School and Darwin High School, What work is underway.

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Speaker 2: I'll backtrack a little bit there and talk about where

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Speaker 2: this work has come from. So in twenty twenty three,

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Speaker 2: the NT government ran a review of secondary education and

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Speaker 2: the end of twenty twenty three. We had to change

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Speaker 2: So the proposal you've identified for Dual and Middle School

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Speaker 1: So, David, those fact sheets have gone out to all

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Speaker 2: High correct, so to all of the middles and seen

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Speaker 1: Can I just talk about Darwin Middle and Darwin High School?

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Speaker 1: First off? What's the plan for them? Because I guess

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Speaker 1: How could this work?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? So the proposal of this is to bring them

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Speaker 1: Some people have been questioning will there be a you know,

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Speaker 2: So there's plenty of work across our school system for

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, that was exactly what I was going to ask.

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Speaker 2: Well, all of the full comprehensives will offer a great

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Speaker 2: Yeah. So the Anti Certificate of Education and Training is

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Speaker 1: Of the changes, and you know the middle school is

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Speaker 2: Well, I think in some of the school system doesn't

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's really interesting, but I'm sort of not surprised

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I've been fortunate to be able to meet with

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Speaker 1: So where should people go if they do want to

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so there is a website available, So if you

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Speaker 2: different sites are organizing different ways for their community to engage,

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Speaker 2: the global survey that we're working.

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Speaker 1: So from your perspective, what are the next steps? David?

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Speaker 1: It sounds like you've got a big job ahead of you, mate.

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Speaker 2: in about the middle of term two. Depending on what

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Speaker 2: government decides to do with that plan, we'd then be

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Speaker 2: seeking full implementation sort of starting in term three and four,

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Speaker 2: so that we're ready for the first day of twenty

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Speaker 2: twenty six. The proposals across the board is an incremental

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Speaker 2: change at this stage, so we're not proposing that all

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Speaker 2: schools become everything to everybody on day one. What we're

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Speaker 2: proposing is the each school, if you're a middle school,

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Speaker 2: you'll pick up one extra year level this year or

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Speaker 2: next year, sorry, and then a year level after that,

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Speaker 2: and then a year level after that. So the first

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Speaker 2: graduating class of the new secondary system will be at

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Speaker 2: the end of twenty twenty eight.

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Speaker 1: Yeah right, Well, it's I think it's something that a

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Speaker 1: lot of people will be really interested in, particularly if

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Speaker 1: you've got kids that are at that age. So David R. Toy,

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Speaker 1: the Department of Education's Acting executive Director of Strategic Reform.

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Speaker 1: Really good to speak to you this morning. I appreciate

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Speaker 1: you taking the time to speak to our listeners, many

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Speaker 1: of whom are parents.

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Speaker 2: Thanks Katie, appreciate the opportunity.

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Speaker 1: Thank you.