1 00:00:00,760 --> 00:00:04,160 Speaker 1: Ready and this is the da This is the Daily 2 00:00:04,280 --> 00:00:06,960 Speaker 1: ohs oh, now it makes sense. 3 00:00:15,760 --> 00:00:18,560 Speaker 2: Good morning and welcome to the Daily OS. It's Thursday, 4 00:00:18,640 --> 00:00:19,439 Speaker 2: the fourth of April. 5 00:00:19,520 --> 00:00:20,840 Speaker 3: I'm Zara, I'm Sam. 6 00:00:21,000 --> 00:00:25,400 Speaker 2: Bruce Lhman's defamation lawsuit against Network ten journalist Lisa Wilkinson 7 00:00:25,680 --> 00:00:28,400 Speaker 2: is back in the news this week, first. 8 00:00:28,240 --> 00:00:31,960 Speaker 1: To explosive new claims against Bruce Lherman by one of 9 00:00:31,960 --> 00:00:36,720 Speaker 1: his former media handlers. The man has made sensational allegations 10 00:00:36,760 --> 00:00:40,760 Speaker 1: of sex, lies and hidden documents involving his work with 11 00:00:40,880 --> 00:00:42,919 Speaker 1: mister Lehreman and the Seven Network. 12 00:00:43,200 --> 00:00:45,720 Speaker 4: In the next half an hour, last minute hearing will 13 00:00:45,760 --> 00:00:48,839 Speaker 4: start in the Federal court as Channel ten attempts to 14 00:00:48,880 --> 00:00:52,600 Speaker 4: have new evidence heard in the defamation case brought against 15 00:00:52,640 --> 00:00:53,720 Speaker 4: it by Bruce Lahreman. 16 00:00:53,800 --> 00:00:56,000 Speaker 2: The final judgment of the case was due to be 17 00:00:56,040 --> 00:00:59,400 Speaker 2: handed down today. However, the judge has now agreed to 18 00:00:59,480 --> 00:01:02,760 Speaker 2: reopen the trial at the request of Network ten, and 19 00:01:02,800 --> 00:01:05,479 Speaker 2: that's due to some new evidence. We're going to tell 20 00:01:05,480 --> 00:01:08,119 Speaker 2: you everything you need to know in today's deep dive. 21 00:01:08,480 --> 00:01:10,400 Speaker 2: But first Sam, what's making headlines. 22 00:01:12,880 --> 00:01:16,679 Speaker 3: A coronial inquest into WA's first recorded death in juvenile 23 00:01:16,720 --> 00:01:20,280 Speaker 3: detention has commenced with hearings expected to last more than 24 00:01:20,319 --> 00:01:23,600 Speaker 3: a week. Sixteen year old Cleveland Dodds died in a 25 00:01:23,680 --> 00:01:27,800 Speaker 3: juvenile detention cell at a maximum security adult prison in October. 26 00:01:28,280 --> 00:01:31,280 Speaker 3: A coroner is now investigating the circumstances that led to 27 00:01:31,319 --> 00:01:35,320 Speaker 3: the teenager's death. The inquest will also examine WA's juvenile 28 00:01:35,360 --> 00:01:38,840 Speaker 3: detention system and the treatment of youth offenders more broadly. 29 00:01:39,400 --> 00:01:42,320 Speaker 3: The inquest is expected to finish on the twelfth of April. 30 00:01:44,319 --> 00:01:47,920 Speaker 2: Aviation firefighters will go on strike at airports across the 31 00:01:47,960 --> 00:01:52,040 Speaker 2: country these school holidays amid an ongoing dispute over resourcing 32 00:01:52,120 --> 00:01:56,960 Speaker 2: and staff shortages. The United Firefighters Union of Australia announced 33 00:01:56,960 --> 00:01:59,760 Speaker 2: its members will stop work for an unlimited number of 34 00:02:00,280 --> 00:02:03,560 Speaker 2: hour intervals on the fifteenth of April. A shortage of 35 00:02:03,600 --> 00:02:06,480 Speaker 2: emergency crews in airports could lead to flights during the 36 00:02:06,480 --> 00:02:10,600 Speaker 2: busy school holiday period being canceled. The union is striking 37 00:02:10,680 --> 00:02:15,680 Speaker 2: over a dispute with industry regulator Air Services Australia. 38 00:02:15,919 --> 00:02:19,520 Speaker 3: Ukraine has lowered the age of military conscription to twenty five. 39 00:02:19,639 --> 00:02:23,760 Speaker 3: That's down from twenty seven. President Vladimir Zelenski has signed 40 00:02:23,840 --> 00:02:28,400 Speaker 3: legislation to boost Ukraine's defense forces against Russia's ongoing invasion. 41 00:02:28,880 --> 00:02:31,680 Speaker 3: The change is aimed at getting more Ukrainian men into 42 00:02:31,680 --> 00:02:34,680 Speaker 3: the military, which the country's chief of the Armed Forces 43 00:02:34,960 --> 00:02:40,240 Speaker 3: described as quote physically and psychologically exhausted. Ukrainian citizens can 44 00:02:40,360 --> 00:02:43,639 Speaker 3: volunteer to join the army from the age of eighteen. However, 45 00:02:43,720 --> 00:02:46,320 Speaker 3: conscription means its twenty five year old men can now 46 00:02:46,360 --> 00:02:48,360 Speaker 3: be ordered to serve their country. 47 00:02:49,840 --> 00:02:53,200 Speaker 2: And the good news. England's National Health Service has launched 48 00:02:53,240 --> 00:02:56,640 Speaker 2: a world first rollout of a device for diabetes patients. 49 00:02:57,280 --> 00:03:01,920 Speaker 2: The technology, dubbed an artificial pancreas, can automatically pump the 50 00:03:01,960 --> 00:03:05,480 Speaker 2: correct amount of insulin into a patient's body by continually 51 00:03:05,480 --> 00:03:08,960 Speaker 2: monitoring their blood glucose levels. Tens of thousands of children 52 00:03:09,000 --> 00:03:11,840 Speaker 2: and adults with diabetes are expected to receive the device 53 00:03:11,919 --> 00:03:14,359 Speaker 2: over the next five years in the world first roll out. 54 00:03:18,720 --> 00:03:21,760 Speaker 2: Before we jump into today's deep dive, I do just 55 00:03:21,800 --> 00:03:24,720 Speaker 2: want to note that tda's editor in chief is Billy 56 00:03:24,720 --> 00:03:29,880 Speaker 2: Fitzsimon's Lisa Wilkinson's daughter. Billy had no editorial oversight or 57 00:03:29,880 --> 00:03:33,200 Speaker 2: involvement with this story or any other podcast or story 58 00:03:33,240 --> 00:03:37,360 Speaker 2: we have made about this topic. Now, Sam, we are 59 00:03:37,400 --> 00:03:40,160 Speaker 2: talking about Bruce Lehman's case on the Pod again today 60 00:03:40,320 --> 00:03:43,560 Speaker 2: because while a decision on the defamation case was meant 61 00:03:43,600 --> 00:03:46,720 Speaker 2: to be handed down today, it's been delayed in light 62 00:03:46,800 --> 00:03:50,440 Speaker 2: of new evidence brought to the court by Network ten. Now, 63 00:03:50,600 --> 00:03:53,480 Speaker 2: this story is so dense, it has so many twists 64 00:03:53,480 --> 00:03:56,440 Speaker 2: and turns. I do think that to understand this latest 65 00:03:56,440 --> 00:03:58,920 Speaker 2: development we do need to rewind a bit and go 66 00:03:59,040 --> 00:04:00,640 Speaker 2: back to cover some of the background. 67 00:04:00,760 --> 00:04:03,680 Speaker 3: I mean, this story has been going on for months 68 00:04:03,720 --> 00:04:07,680 Speaker 3: and years years. Yeah, so without taking too long to 69 00:04:07,720 --> 00:04:09,680 Speaker 3: go back on every single twist and turn, because there 70 00:04:09,720 --> 00:04:11,760 Speaker 3: have been so many, what do we need to know 71 00:04:11,920 --> 00:04:14,480 Speaker 3: about the background of the Bruce Lehman defamation case. 72 00:04:15,120 --> 00:04:19,200 Speaker 2: Okay, So, in feb twenty twenty one, former Liberal Party 73 00:04:19,240 --> 00:04:22,440 Speaker 2: staffer Britney Higgins alleged that she had been raped in 74 00:04:22,480 --> 00:04:26,680 Speaker 2: Parliament House by a colleague. Higgins made the allegation in 75 00:04:26,800 --> 00:04:29,680 Speaker 2: an article in news dot com dot Au and in 76 00:04:29,720 --> 00:04:32,520 Speaker 2: an interview with journalist Lisa Wilkinson, and that was on 77 00:04:32,640 --> 00:04:37,040 Speaker 2: Network ten's The Project. Bruce Lehman was not named in 78 00:04:37,200 --> 00:04:40,880 Speaker 2: the interview, but he argues he was still identifiable in 79 00:04:40,920 --> 00:04:44,200 Speaker 2: the media coverage. It's important to note that he's always 80 00:04:44,200 --> 00:04:47,440 Speaker 2: denied the allegations made by Britney Higgins and he maintains 81 00:04:47,440 --> 00:04:51,880 Speaker 2: that position today. Now, in twenty twenty two, a criminal 82 00:04:51,920 --> 00:04:56,120 Speaker 2: triald was declared a mistrial due to something called DURA misconduct. 83 00:04:56,520 --> 00:04:58,719 Speaker 2: So that just means that a DURA broke the rules 84 00:04:58,760 --> 00:05:01,800 Speaker 2: and conducted their own reas research in relation to the case. 85 00:05:02,560 --> 00:05:05,520 Speaker 2: There ended up being no retrial because of quote a 86 00:05:05,600 --> 00:05:09,320 Speaker 2: significant and unacceptable risked the life of the complainant, So 87 00:05:09,400 --> 00:05:11,760 Speaker 2: the complainant here being Britney Higgins. 88 00:05:12,160 --> 00:05:15,040 Speaker 3: So the criminal trial ended with no conclusion, and then 89 00:05:15,080 --> 00:05:17,719 Speaker 3: we moved from the criminal realm to the civil realm 90 00:05:17,720 --> 00:05:21,720 Speaker 3: and there were civil proceedings brought by Bruce Lehrman for defamation. 91 00:05:21,880 --> 00:05:25,520 Speaker 2: Right, that's right. So after the criminal trial was abandoned, 92 00:05:25,839 --> 00:05:29,119 Speaker 2: Lehman launched defamation proceedings and that brings us to twenty 93 00:05:29,160 --> 00:05:34,000 Speaker 2: twenty three last year. Now, a quick reminder, under defamation law, 94 00:05:34,160 --> 00:05:38,040 Speaker 2: people can sue if they believe that published material has 95 00:05:38,240 --> 00:05:42,760 Speaker 2: unfairly harmed their reputation. So that's what the underpinning of 96 00:05:42,800 --> 00:05:47,240 Speaker 2: this civil case was. Alongside Network ten, Lherman also sued 97 00:05:47,320 --> 00:05:50,359 Speaker 2: News dot Com, doda U and the ABC and that 98 00:05:50,480 --> 00:05:53,120 Speaker 2: was over its broadcast of a press club speech by 99 00:05:53,120 --> 00:05:56,400 Speaker 2: Britney Higgins. So he sued both of those publications for 100 00:05:56,480 --> 00:06:00,000 Speaker 2: defamation as well as Network ten. But we're not talking 101 00:06:00,040 --> 00:06:02,480 Speaker 2: about those outlets, and we haven't spoken about those outlets 102 00:06:02,520 --> 00:06:04,920 Speaker 2: in a while because they settled out of court with 103 00:06:04,960 --> 00:06:08,160 Speaker 2: Bruce Lherman and that left just Network ten and its 104 00:06:08,240 --> 00:06:12,200 Speaker 2: journalist Lisa Wilkinson as the subject of these defamation proceedings. 105 00:06:12,200 --> 00:06:14,200 Speaker 3: And so those proceedings have been the ones that were 106 00:06:14,240 --> 00:06:16,279 Speaker 3: the focus for the back half of last year, and 107 00:06:16,640 --> 00:06:19,680 Speaker 3: that was meant to have a decision being handed down today, 108 00:06:20,120 --> 00:06:21,360 Speaker 3: but that's not going to happen. 109 00:06:21,120 --> 00:06:25,000 Speaker 2: Right, that's not so. The defamation trial against Ten and 110 00:06:25,040 --> 00:06:28,960 Speaker 2: Wilkinson began in November last year ended in December last year, 111 00:06:29,480 --> 00:06:31,560 Speaker 2: and just to cover off a bit of how the 112 00:06:31,600 --> 00:06:33,560 Speaker 2: case worked, I think we I mean, we definitely did 113 00:06:33,560 --> 00:06:36,120 Speaker 2: a podcast on it at the time. But as I've 114 00:06:36,120 --> 00:06:41,919 Speaker 2: said exactly so, essentially what needed to happen was to 115 00:06:42,000 --> 00:06:45,400 Speaker 2: determine if Lherman had been defamed. The judge in this 116 00:06:45,440 --> 00:06:49,200 Speaker 2: case had to answer two main questions. The first was 117 00:06:49,240 --> 00:06:53,039 Speaker 2: Bruce Lherman identifiable in Network ten's broadcast. 118 00:06:52,640 --> 00:06:55,400 Speaker 3: So even though they didn't name him. Could the public. 119 00:06:55,279 --> 00:06:58,400 Speaker 2: Still identified put together the pieces to identify that it 120 00:06:58,400 --> 00:07:00,640 Speaker 2: was Bruce Lehman who was the subject of these allegations. 121 00:07:01,520 --> 00:07:06,920 Speaker 2: And two, if he was identifiable, were Britney Higgins's allegations truthful? 122 00:07:07,080 --> 00:07:09,560 Speaker 3: And that's when a civil case kind of looks a 123 00:07:09,600 --> 00:07:11,480 Speaker 3: little bit like a criminal case because they actually kind 124 00:07:11,480 --> 00:07:12,880 Speaker 3: of have to identify truth. 125 00:07:13,160 --> 00:07:14,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, allegation. 126 00:07:14,440 --> 00:07:16,880 Speaker 3: Yeah, So they were looking at CCTV footage from that 127 00:07:17,000 --> 00:07:19,160 Speaker 3: night and trying to work out if Channel ten did 128 00:07:19,160 --> 00:07:21,160 Speaker 3: make these claims, whether they were true or not. 129 00:07:21,560 --> 00:07:24,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, but the result looks very different in a criminal 130 00:07:24,840 --> 00:07:27,360 Speaker 2: case to a defamation case. And as you said, the 131 00:07:27,480 --> 00:07:29,800 Speaker 2: judge was meant to deliver his decision on those two 132 00:07:29,880 --> 00:07:33,040 Speaker 2: questions today. But as they foreshadowed at the beginning of 133 00:07:33,080 --> 00:07:35,320 Speaker 2: this episode, that is not how things have turned out. 134 00:07:35,640 --> 00:07:38,680 Speaker 3: The case that always has another twist and turn about it, 135 00:07:38,760 --> 00:07:41,080 Speaker 3: and that happened a couple of days ago because over 136 00:07:41,120 --> 00:07:44,920 Speaker 3: the long weekend, Network ten asked the judge to reopen 137 00:07:45,040 --> 00:07:47,640 Speaker 3: the trial because there was new evidence they wanted to 138 00:07:47,640 --> 00:07:50,000 Speaker 3: give to the court. What can you tell me about 139 00:07:50,000 --> 00:07:51,000 Speaker 3: this new evidence? 140 00:07:51,520 --> 00:07:55,119 Speaker 2: So this new evidence centers around an interview that Bruce 141 00:07:55,200 --> 00:07:59,240 Speaker 2: Lehman did with Channel seven's investigative program called Spotlight in 142 00:07:59,360 --> 00:08:00,000 Speaker 2: June last year. 143 00:08:00,240 --> 00:08:02,600 Speaker 3: Channel seven, not Channel ten, so we have it in 144 00:08:03,440 --> 00:08:03,960 Speaker 3: a new player. 145 00:08:04,080 --> 00:08:07,120 Speaker 2: Yes, Channel seven. The request to reopen the trial is 146 00:08:07,160 --> 00:08:10,640 Speaker 2: based on two main issues. The first is around what 147 00:08:10,800 --> 00:08:14,200 Speaker 2: Channel seven did to convince Bruce Lehman to do the interview, 148 00:08:14,360 --> 00:08:17,080 Speaker 2: and I'll extrapolate on that in a bit. The second 149 00:08:17,320 --> 00:08:20,760 Speaker 2: is the alleged leaking of confidential information to Channel seven, 150 00:08:21,240 --> 00:08:23,520 Speaker 2: So let's go through those one by one. The first 151 00:08:23,600 --> 00:08:27,280 Speaker 2: is around this idea of expenses. So evidence submitted to 152 00:08:27,360 --> 00:08:29,880 Speaker 2: the court last year confirmed to the Channel seven paid 153 00:08:29,920 --> 00:08:32,640 Speaker 2: Bruce Lehman's rent for a year in Sydney, so that 154 00:08:32,720 --> 00:08:36,120 Speaker 2: wasn't new information. We already knew that. Last month, news 155 00:08:36,160 --> 00:08:38,800 Speaker 2: dot com dot a U also published an allegation that 156 00:08:38,920 --> 00:08:42,240 Speaker 2: seven paid for a massage for Lherman, which he denied. 157 00:08:43,040 --> 00:08:46,959 Speaker 2: Former Spotlight producer Taylor Albach has since alleged there were 158 00:08:47,040 --> 00:08:50,920 Speaker 2: other payments and this is this new evidence we're talking about, 159 00:08:51,120 --> 00:08:56,520 Speaker 2: including reimbursing Lherman for quote, illicit drugs and prostitutes. Our 160 00:08:56,559 --> 00:08:59,600 Speaker 2: back also alleges one time massage for Lehman and a 161 00:08:59,640 --> 00:09:04,600 Speaker 2: friend totaled ten thousand three hundred and fifteen dollars. Important 162 00:09:04,640 --> 00:09:06,880 Speaker 2: to note, of course, that these allegations have not been 163 00:09:06,920 --> 00:09:10,400 Speaker 2: tested in court, so as of now they remain allegations. 164 00:09:11,480 --> 00:09:15,079 Speaker 2: The second point goes to this idea of this alleged leaking. 165 00:09:15,360 --> 00:09:20,480 Speaker 2: So the Spotlight program contained confidential information, including audio from 166 00:09:20,480 --> 00:09:24,360 Speaker 2: a meeting between Higgins so Ritney Higgins, Lisa Wilkinson, and 167 00:09:24,480 --> 00:09:28,760 Speaker 2: a producer at the project. This is confidential material that 168 00:09:28,920 --> 00:09:32,200 Speaker 2: was part of a police brief given to the Act 169 00:09:32,440 --> 00:09:36,920 Speaker 2: Supreme Court for the criminal trial the original criminal truck exactly. 170 00:09:37,120 --> 00:09:39,800 Speaker 2: It was not in the public domain before Channel seven 171 00:09:39,840 --> 00:09:42,600 Speaker 2: aired it. So when Channel seven aired that Spotlight program, 172 00:09:42,679 --> 00:09:44,480 Speaker 2: it was the first time that the public had ever 173 00:09:44,520 --> 00:09:48,960 Speaker 2: heard those conversations. During the trial, Lherman denied being the 174 00:09:49,000 --> 00:09:53,319 Speaker 2: source of the leaked audio, but Network ten and Wilkinson's 175 00:09:53,400 --> 00:09:58,600 Speaker 2: lawyers have now suggested there's new evidence that contradicts this claim. Again, 176 00:09:58,960 --> 00:10:01,360 Speaker 2: and I need to stress these are only allegations and 177 00:10:01,440 --> 00:10:04,200 Speaker 2: have not been tested in court. But together this is 178 00:10:04,200 --> 00:10:07,440 Speaker 2: the body of evidence that Network ten brought to the 179 00:10:07,559 --> 00:10:09,800 Speaker 2: judge over the long weekend to say you need to 180 00:10:09,840 --> 00:10:12,280 Speaker 2: reopen this trial because of these claims that we are 181 00:10:12,280 --> 00:10:13,760 Speaker 2: bringing forward and. 182 00:10:13,760 --> 00:10:18,000 Speaker 3: I think it's helpful here to spend a second trying 183 00:10:18,000 --> 00:10:19,600 Speaker 3: to get inside the head of the judge as to 184 00:10:19,679 --> 00:10:23,320 Speaker 3: why he would even want to entertain something like consider it. Yeah, 185 00:10:23,360 --> 00:10:26,400 Speaker 3: because he's just poured over a lot of evidence and 186 00:10:26,440 --> 00:10:28,480 Speaker 3: then taken the time away to write the judgment. Just 187 00:10:28,520 --> 00:10:31,200 Speaker 3: before the judgment comes out, He's been given you evidence 188 00:10:31,280 --> 00:10:33,240 Speaker 3: and a lot of the commentary. Is that the key 189 00:10:33,280 --> 00:10:36,920 Speaker 3: reason he wanted to reopen this is because no judge 190 00:10:36,960 --> 00:10:40,720 Speaker 3: wants any questions surrounding their decision. You never want a 191 00:10:40,760 --> 00:10:42,920 Speaker 3: decision to be handed down and then the public or 192 00:10:42,960 --> 00:10:46,040 Speaker 3: the prosecution or the defense go, well, you didn't consider 193 00:10:46,080 --> 00:10:48,640 Speaker 3: this one spanner that was thrown in later. He'd rather 194 00:10:48,880 --> 00:10:51,440 Speaker 3: hear it out, listen to it, and make a decision 195 00:10:51,679 --> 00:10:55,040 Speaker 3: with everything available. But to get your head around the 196 00:10:55,040 --> 00:10:58,800 Speaker 3: timing is something else like this case wrapped up so 197 00:10:58,920 --> 00:11:01,720 Speaker 3: long ago. Why did Network ten only bring this now? 198 00:11:02,160 --> 00:11:05,240 Speaker 2: It's a good question. I mean, it's a fairly simple answer. 199 00:11:05,400 --> 00:11:08,679 Speaker 2: It's all happening now because of this Channel seven producer 200 00:11:08,720 --> 00:11:12,640 Speaker 2: I mentioned before, Taylor Albach. He as the ex producer 201 00:11:12,679 --> 00:11:15,440 Speaker 2: of the Spotlight who was heavily involved in the behind 202 00:11:15,480 --> 00:11:19,360 Speaker 2: the scenes of creating that interview with Bruce Lherman only 203 00:11:19,520 --> 00:11:23,960 Speaker 2: just came forward with these allegations. So Albach has signed 204 00:11:23,960 --> 00:11:27,040 Speaker 2: an affidavid, which is just a written statement for use 205 00:11:27,080 --> 00:11:30,200 Speaker 2: of evidence in court to be entered into the case. 206 00:11:30,440 --> 00:11:33,600 Speaker 2: So on Tuesday, less than forty eight hours before a 207 00:11:33,679 --> 00:11:36,800 Speaker 2: verdict was due, the judge allowed the case to be 208 00:11:36,960 --> 00:11:41,359 Speaker 2: reopened so that they could hear Albach's allegations and importantly 209 00:11:41,400 --> 00:11:44,479 Speaker 2: also give Lerman the chance to respond in court. 210 00:11:44,720 --> 00:11:46,719 Speaker 3: So that's what Tuesday's hearing was all about. It was 211 00:11:46,720 --> 00:11:49,320 Speaker 3: all about the two sides making the case to the 212 00:11:49,400 --> 00:11:52,760 Speaker 3: judge as to whether he should hear this evidence or not. 213 00:11:53,120 --> 00:11:55,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, it was remarkable when I logged on to watch it. 214 00:11:56,000 --> 00:11:59,240 Speaker 2: I think there were fifteen thousand other people watching just 215 00:11:59,320 --> 00:12:01,199 Speaker 2: this part of the proceeding. 216 00:12:01,320 --> 00:12:03,640 Speaker 3: Yeah, like there is so much interest. And these are 217 00:12:03,720 --> 00:12:08,079 Speaker 3: very dry court hearings. They're about legal ideas, they're about process. 218 00:12:08,520 --> 00:12:10,440 Speaker 3: What did Lehman's lawyers actually argue here? 219 00:12:10,760 --> 00:12:14,960 Speaker 2: I mean, as expected, his lawyers strongly opposed the reopening 220 00:12:15,080 --> 00:12:18,240 Speaker 2: of the trial. I'm going to quote Matthew Richardson, who 221 00:12:18,280 --> 00:12:21,800 Speaker 2: is the barrister representing Lehman. He said, just to be clear, 222 00:12:22,000 --> 00:12:25,680 Speaker 2: obviously a lie under oath is an exceptionally serious matter. 223 00:12:26,240 --> 00:12:29,360 Speaker 2: It's just that in this case, both the principal witnesses 224 00:12:29,440 --> 00:12:32,000 Speaker 2: are alleged by both sides to have told dozens of 225 00:12:32,040 --> 00:12:36,480 Speaker 2: lies under oath. He continued, this stuff is trivial, it's 226 00:12:36,600 --> 00:12:39,800 Speaker 2: just not relevant, and to give, in my respectful submission, 227 00:12:40,000 --> 00:12:42,680 Speaker 2: leave to reopen on that sort of material, your honor, 228 00:12:42,760 --> 00:12:46,839 Speaker 2: would be inappropriate. Ultimately, the judge disagreed with this and 229 00:12:47,040 --> 00:12:48,320 Speaker 2: has decided to reopen. 230 00:12:48,720 --> 00:12:52,120 Speaker 3: So from here Taylor Albach and Bruce Lehman are going 231 00:12:52,160 --> 00:12:54,680 Speaker 3: to get up and be questioned by both the prosecution 232 00:12:54,760 --> 00:12:57,120 Speaker 3: and the defense. The judge is then going to go away, 233 00:12:57,280 --> 00:13:00,840 Speaker 3: takes some more time to incorporate this new evidence into 234 00:13:00,840 --> 00:13:04,040 Speaker 3: his verdicts. We'll never know whether his verdict will have 235 00:13:04,160 --> 00:13:06,440 Speaker 3: changed or not, and then we'll have a new date 236 00:13:06,559 --> 00:13:09,680 Speaker 3: for a new verdict. That's, of course, a new podcast, 237 00:13:09,720 --> 00:13:12,360 Speaker 3: and that's, of course, assuming there's no further evidence being 238 00:13:12,360 --> 00:13:13,080 Speaker 3: brought to. 239 00:13:13,040 --> 00:13:14,080 Speaker 2: The court exactly. 240 00:13:14,480 --> 00:13:17,000 Speaker 3: Thanks for that, Sarah, and thank you for following along, 241 00:13:17,080 --> 00:13:19,839 Speaker 3: or you know, doing our best to all follow along 242 00:13:19,840 --> 00:13:22,760 Speaker 3: in what is a very turbulent case. That's all we've 243 00:13:22,760 --> 00:13:25,240 Speaker 3: got time for. On today's episode of The Daily odds 244 00:13:25,360 --> 00:13:27,559 Speaker 3: we'll be back again in your ears tomorrow. 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