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Speaker 1: This episode of Outspoken is brought to you by Loving Tan.

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Speaker 1: This is Outspoken, the podcast It's not afraid to say

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Speaker 1: exactly what you're thinking. Our names are Amy, Kate and

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Speaker 1: Sophie Torber. We're identical triplets, but we often don't have

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Speaker 1: identical opinions, so sometimes things can get heated. Outspoken covers

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Speaker 1: all things reality TV, influences, entertainment, and issues facing women.

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Speaker 1: That is so fetch Thank you, hello, and welcome back

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Speaker 1: to Outspoken. Now it's pretty chaotic in here. We've got

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Speaker 1: my dog Archie on the ground ripping up stuff. We've

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Speaker 1: got Amy, You've got your kom Butcher at the ready.

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Speaker 1: But we are chaos with Chaos Butcher. But we are

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Speaker 1: on the hard stuff this week. We are very pumped

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Speaker 1: because we have had an incredible week for our podcast.

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Speaker 1: We have recorded the highest numbers for quite some time now. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: so thank you so much for the support. It was

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Speaker 1: our biggest week ever and we have to say a

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Speaker 1: big thank you for everyone who's been leaving us amazing

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Speaker 1: reviews and everyone in our Facebook community. We oh my gosh,

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Speaker 1: I just love those girls know they are the best. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: thank you for all the support and we are so

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Speaker 1: excited to keep bringing you podcasts and giving you our

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Speaker 1: raw opinion. People seem to be liking and not liking it,

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Speaker 1: which is great because that means we're creating discussion. Well

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Speaker 1: that's the best thing about our podcast, I think is

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Speaker 1: that you can listen to it and you can agree

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Speaker 1: and disagree with our point of view. So thank you

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Speaker 1: again for all the support. Now, so if you've had

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Speaker 1: a pretty I would say, exciting week with your dog

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Speaker 1: who actually is now I think apparently an influencer. So

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Speaker 1: he's a bit of a mic influence. It's kind of

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Speaker 1: a big deal around here. Yes, he is a big deal. Now,

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Speaker 1: to my surprise, I got a message on my phone

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Speaker 1: telling me that I had a delivery that was about

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Speaker 1: to be dropped off and did hang on? Did actually

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Speaker 1: give out his own address? Well? No, I did, but

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Speaker 1: I literally forgot that it was happening. So I was like,

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Speaker 1: to him with his name, not Archie, with our address,

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Speaker 1: and it was a container of dog food for him. Wow,

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Speaker 1: he has made Instagram. I'm actually in all though, of

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Speaker 1: how supportive this dog community is, Like, he I have

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Speaker 1: Because I was just flicking through my feed and there's

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Speaker 1: each other up. Looks like, I've got a question for you.

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Speaker 1: I have life for him. I've been trying to give

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Speaker 1: his cousin Ziggy and Shadow a shout out. But if

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Speaker 1: Maybe just go and check out. Yeah, poor Shadow only

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Speaker 1: has around one hundred followers, so a bit depressing. Now, Amy,

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Speaker 1: how was your week? My week was really busy, But

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Speaker 1: I did go to down the Rabbit Hole Winery on

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Speaker 1: the week. Well, on the topic of love life, my

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Speaker 1: Props to him. It was amazing. But the funniest thing

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Speaker 2: So obviously right now I'm in a different area. I'm

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Speaker 1: because we were commenting on Madison's into State travel and

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Speaker 1: this led us to believe that maybe was Georgie responsible

433
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Speaker 1: for lining up the Melbourne Hotel Samy, Well, Amy, For

434
00:21:05,359 --> 00:21:07,840
Speaker 1: those who haven't seen the back and forth on Instagram,

435
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Speaker 1: can you tell us what the crux of Georgie's argument

436
00:21:10,400 --> 00:21:13,520
Speaker 1: was against us? Well, Georgie's issue was that she said

437
00:21:13,520 --> 00:21:16,120
Speaker 1: that Madison is a really nice person, so we shouldn't

438
00:21:16,119 --> 00:21:18,760
Speaker 1: be commenting on her and her parents' wealth. So she

439
00:21:18,760 --> 00:21:21,880
Speaker 1: didn't really delve into the issue that we had was

440
00:21:21,920 --> 00:21:24,160
Speaker 1: that Madison was traveling drinker pans, but she really seemed

441
00:21:24,160 --> 00:21:27,360
Speaker 1: to deflect the whole travel even when we reiterated that

442
00:21:27,359 --> 00:21:30,400
Speaker 1: that's what our podcast initially had a problem with, which

443
00:21:30,440 --> 00:21:32,040
Speaker 1: is exactly what you're going to do if you're the

444
00:21:32,040 --> 00:21:35,400
Speaker 1: one behind organizing all these lavish trips. Well, we did

445
00:21:35,440 --> 00:21:38,080
Speaker 1: actually put the question to Georgie. We said, so, were

446
00:21:38,119 --> 00:21:41,560
Speaker 1: you responsible for organizing Madison's trips to Melbourne? She has

447
00:21:41,600 --> 00:21:44,440
Speaker 1: in fact denied this, and she did tease and say,

448
00:21:44,440 --> 00:21:47,040
Speaker 1: we'll have to wait and see what they're collaborating on.

449
00:21:47,359 --> 00:21:49,240
Speaker 1: So I suppose we'll have to keep you posted. And

450
00:21:49,800 --> 00:21:51,879
Speaker 1: so I suppose it does remain somewhat a mystery of

451
00:21:52,080 --> 00:21:55,840
Speaker 1: who has organized Madison's Audi higher car, her helicopter trip,

452
00:21:55,880 --> 00:21:58,080
Speaker 1: and her visit to a lattery Hot Springs resort. So

453
00:21:58,440 --> 00:22:01,440
Speaker 1: mystery if anyone know, love, if you could help us out.

454
00:22:01,480 --> 00:22:03,960
Speaker 1: But yeah, we're just a little bit perplexed over that one. Well,

455
00:22:04,000 --> 00:22:06,199
Speaker 1: there was a little bit of a clue on Madison's

456
00:22:06,240 --> 00:22:09,359
Speaker 1: photo that she uploaded on the plane going to Melbourne,

457
00:22:09,520 --> 00:22:13,440
Speaker 1: which was commented on by Pilot Luxury Travel, which said, Oh,

458
00:22:13,480 --> 00:22:16,280
Speaker 1: it's so good to see you traveling again. So yeah,

459
00:22:16,320 --> 00:22:18,560
Speaker 1: that's funny about that. That's a difficult one. Now, since

460
00:22:18,600 --> 00:22:22,240
Speaker 1: Madison posted the YouTube video, we have had an influx

461
00:22:22,320 --> 00:22:25,560
Speaker 1: of Madison's stands coming across to our page and telling

462
00:22:25,640 --> 00:22:28,240
Speaker 1: us that we're jealous bitches and that we don't know

463
00:22:28,280 --> 00:22:31,800
Speaker 1: anything that we're talking about. Now, we are more than

464
00:22:31,880 --> 00:22:35,520
Speaker 1: happy to take on constructive feedback. That's fine. We've got

465
00:22:35,560 --> 00:22:38,720
Speaker 1: tough skin. So thank you for the people sharing their feedback.

466
00:22:39,000 --> 00:22:42,000
Speaker 1: I mean, when it's not so constructive and they're just

467
00:22:42,040 --> 00:22:45,520
Speaker 1: calling you bitches, well just unfollow and don't subscribe to us,

468
00:22:45,560 --> 00:22:49,880
Speaker 1: you know, stop listening. Basically, Sophie. It's kind of made

469
00:22:49,920 --> 00:22:53,320
Speaker 1: us think more about this stand culture because I've heard

470
00:22:53,320 --> 00:22:55,720
Speaker 1: about it, but when it was directed at us, it

471
00:22:55,800 --> 00:22:58,919
Speaker 1: kind of made me laugh, but then also be annoyed

472
00:22:58,960 --> 00:23:01,119
Speaker 1: because I'm like, don't we have anything better to do

473
00:23:01,200 --> 00:23:04,679
Speaker 1: with their time? Yeah, it's really interesting because the phenomenon

474
00:23:04,680 --> 00:23:07,320
Speaker 1: of stan culture has been covered in recent weeks by

475
00:23:07,359 --> 00:23:10,960
Speaker 1: publications like The Guardian and Pedestrian. Now, for those listening

476
00:23:11,000 --> 00:23:13,280
Speaker 1: at home, who don't know what stan a stan is,

477
00:23:13,320 --> 00:23:15,520
Speaker 1: which was me a couple of weeks ago. So a

478
00:23:15,640 --> 00:23:18,560
Speaker 1: stan is an over zealous or obsessive fan of a

479
00:23:18,560 --> 00:23:22,120
Speaker 1: particular celebrity or influencer. Now, some people think that it's

480
00:23:22,160 --> 00:23:24,919
Speaker 1: derived from Eminem's song which is called Stan, which is

481
00:23:24,920 --> 00:23:27,760
Speaker 1: of course about a crazed fan, and others think that

482
00:23:27,840 --> 00:23:31,520
Speaker 1: it is the mixture of the two words fan and stalker. Now,

483
00:23:31,600 --> 00:23:34,919
Speaker 1: stanning has really taken over social media networks as fans

484
00:23:34,960 --> 00:23:38,719
Speaker 1: have unlimited access to their favorite celebrities or influencers. And

485
00:23:38,760 --> 00:23:41,760
Speaker 1: not only does stan culture glorify stalking, but in some

486
00:23:41,800 --> 00:23:44,800
Speaker 1: cases it also promotes bullying because it gives a person

487
00:23:44,840 --> 00:23:47,760
Speaker 1: a sense of entitlement towards that person, and they feel

488
00:23:47,800 --> 00:23:50,040
Speaker 1: a sense of ownership over the person that they are

489
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Speaker 1: choosing to stan. I don't know if it's you're a stalker,

490
00:23:53,760 --> 00:23:55,840
Speaker 1: if you're a stan like, that's not the connotation I

491
00:23:55,920 --> 00:23:57,840
Speaker 1: get when I hear the word stan. I think of

492
00:23:57,920 --> 00:24:00,760
Speaker 1: people who would just die hard fans and will defend

493
00:24:00,840 --> 00:24:04,359
Speaker 1: this person that they like the well in saying that,

494
00:24:03,960 --> 00:24:06,479
Speaker 1: I think that there's two elements to a stand. As

495
00:24:06,560 --> 00:24:09,919
Speaker 1: you said, one is that stalker element, which some you know,

496
00:24:10,000 --> 00:24:13,119
Speaker 1: a list celebrities experience, and the other element is that

497
00:24:13,160 --> 00:24:16,919
Speaker 1: person who will just defend that person blindly for no reason.

498
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Speaker 1: What do you guys think about the fact that Madison

499
00:24:19,720 --> 00:24:22,959
Speaker 1: really went onto her platform of over one hundred thousand

500
00:24:23,000 --> 00:24:27,920
Speaker 1: subscribers on YouTube and decided to tell her fans about

501
00:24:28,320 --> 00:24:33,120
Speaker 1: quote the hate she received. Do you think she as

502
00:24:33,520 --> 00:24:37,520
Speaker 1: being as an influencer and someone has responsibility to her fans.

503
00:24:37,840 --> 00:24:40,000
Speaker 1: Do you think that she should have moderated the comments

504
00:24:40,160 --> 00:24:43,160
Speaker 1: because for those who don't know, while she didn't name

505
00:24:43,359 --> 00:24:47,000
Speaker 1: the Outspoken podcast, she narrowed it down to a podcast

506
00:24:47,080 --> 00:24:49,480
Speaker 1: with three girls, and then in the comments there were

507
00:24:49,480 --> 00:24:53,199
Speaker 1: conversations naming our podcast and Madison then went on and

508
00:24:53,240 --> 00:24:56,879
Speaker 1: screenshotted the commentary and popped it onto her Instagram account

509
00:24:56,880 --> 00:25:00,200
Speaker 1: of five hundred thousand people and said, you know, thank

510
00:25:00,200 --> 00:25:02,560
Speaker 1: you so much for all the amazing comments, alerting people

511
00:25:02,600 --> 00:25:05,240
Speaker 1: to the fact to read the comments. Do you think

512
00:25:05,280 --> 00:25:08,639
Speaker 1: an influencer like Madison Willy has some responsibility to the

513
00:25:08,640 --> 00:25:11,000
Speaker 1: behavior of what her fans then to choose to do

514
00:25:11,080 --> 00:25:14,080
Speaker 1: with that information. Well, I definitely think she tried to

515
00:25:14,160 --> 00:25:17,359
Speaker 1: influence them to go over to our podcast platform and

516
00:25:17,400 --> 00:25:20,720
Speaker 1: potentially troll us. While she didn't say in so many words,

517
00:25:20,760 --> 00:25:24,160
Speaker 1: I think her the YouTube video itself and the action

518
00:25:24,280 --> 00:25:28,000
Speaker 1: of her screenshotting it and encouraging the commentary calling us bullies.

519
00:25:28,160 --> 00:25:30,880
Speaker 1: I feel like that definitely prompted people to come over.

520
00:25:31,200 --> 00:25:34,280
Speaker 1: It's interesting because a lot of the STAN articles that

521
00:25:34,400 --> 00:25:38,359
Speaker 1: Sophie reference talk about big celebrities, for example, like Taylor

522
00:25:38,400 --> 00:25:41,199
Speaker 1: Swift and other people like that, And the thing is

523
00:25:41,240 --> 00:25:43,600
Speaker 1: that most of these people are too busy actually writing

524
00:25:43,680 --> 00:25:46,760
Speaker 1: music or being actresses to actually engage with this kind

525
00:25:46,800 --> 00:25:49,800
Speaker 1: of behavior, whereas influencers sit on their phone all day,

526
00:25:50,160 --> 00:25:52,480
Speaker 1: so I do. Their whole job is to connect with

527
00:25:52,520 --> 00:25:55,000
Speaker 1: their fans and build that engagement, like you know them.

528
00:25:55,040 --> 00:25:57,159
Speaker 1: But can I interject? I feel like she has every

529
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Speaker 1: right to say something about our podcasts on her platform,

530
00:26:00,119 --> 00:26:02,399
Speaker 1: mess she chooses to do something, just as we on

531
00:26:02,480 --> 00:26:04,639
Speaker 1: our own platform have the right to speak of and

532
00:26:04,680 --> 00:26:07,520
Speaker 1: critique her. I don't think she has the right to

533
00:26:07,680 --> 00:26:10,760
Speaker 1: blur the lines and insinuate stuff that was not said

534
00:26:11,359 --> 00:26:14,480
Speaker 1: in saying that. It's really interesting because the Pedestrian article

535
00:26:14,520 --> 00:26:17,280
Speaker 1: I was talking about earlier, they spoke about how they

536
00:26:17,280 --> 00:26:20,000
Speaker 1: have been so affected by STAN culture that they've actually

537
00:26:20,000 --> 00:26:23,440
Speaker 1: had to take the journalists bylines off their articles because

538
00:26:23,440 --> 00:26:26,600
Speaker 1: people receiving so much hate. And they spoke about how

539
00:26:26,680 --> 00:26:29,440
Speaker 1: every time they write about an artist, particularly a pop star,

540
00:26:29,760 --> 00:26:32,199
Speaker 1: they run the risk of incurring the wrath of the

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Speaker 1: artists fans. And they spoke about how their staff have

542
00:26:34,840 --> 00:26:39,040
Speaker 1: become targets of orchestrated harassment campaigns, and that ranged from

543
00:26:39,240 --> 00:26:42,679
Speaker 1: either childish memes to very specific threats, and staff have

544
00:26:42,720 --> 00:26:46,720
Speaker 1: even had their locations revealed online, their families and universities

545
00:26:46,760 --> 00:26:50,080
Speaker 1: have been bombarded with emails and calls, and their social

546
00:26:50,080 --> 00:26:52,680
Speaker 1: media profiles have been flooded with hate. Now, I think

547
00:26:52,680 --> 00:26:55,439
Speaker 1: there becomes a point when we as a society are

548
00:26:55,480 --> 00:27:00,160
Speaker 1: allowed to critique people without the fear of copying hatred back.

549
00:27:00,520 --> 00:27:03,440
Speaker 1: As I say, bullying is never the right thing to do.

550
00:27:04,000 --> 00:27:07,320
Speaker 1: I think that you're allowed to critique but not bully obviously. Yeah,

551
00:27:07,400 --> 00:27:09,720
Speaker 1: And there's been a lot of podcasts in recent times

552
00:27:09,720 --> 00:27:13,760
Speaker 1: that have been criticized for actually not naming influencers who

553
00:27:13,800 --> 00:27:17,200
Speaker 1: they've critiqued their behavior. I think Shameless is one. They

554
00:27:17,400 --> 00:27:20,879
Speaker 1: were very much named influencers and then kind of stop

555
00:27:20,960 --> 00:27:23,399
Speaker 1: doing that. And I do think it was probably fear

556
00:27:23,880 --> 00:27:26,159
Speaker 1: for stands coming out and trying to destroy it. But

557
00:27:26,680 --> 00:27:29,800
Speaker 1: I think there were two reasons though, because Shameless started

558
00:27:29,800 --> 00:27:32,200
Speaker 1: to develop a huge platform of their own that they

559
00:27:32,240 --> 00:27:35,800
Speaker 1: didn't want to direct their own stands towards that person

560
00:27:35,880 --> 00:27:38,119
Speaker 1: as well. And also, I mean there's been lots of

561
00:27:38,160 --> 00:27:41,840
Speaker 1: talk as well about these stands coming over and destroying podcasts.

562
00:27:41,920 --> 00:27:45,920
Speaker 1: Because it's interesting with YouTube, if you're a creator on YouTube,

563
00:27:45,920 --> 00:27:48,840
Speaker 1: you can actually delete comments that people leave, but with

564
00:27:48,920 --> 00:27:52,840
Speaker 1: Apple podcasts, you actually can't even report comments that are

565
00:27:52,920 --> 00:27:55,920
Speaker 1: vicious in nature. You're also true, so you also can't

566
00:27:55,960 --> 00:27:58,920
Speaker 1: respond to those comments. There's no platform to write back

567
00:27:58,960 --> 00:28:02,800
Speaker 1: to these people. Is the actual ability for these influencers

568
00:28:02,840 --> 00:28:06,800
Speaker 1: to send their stands over to different podcasts and literally

569
00:28:07,040 --> 00:28:09,919
Speaker 1: ruin their ranking on Apple, which is what some of

570
00:28:09,960 --> 00:28:12,000
Speaker 1: these people have been doing to our podcasts. They've been

571
00:28:12,080 --> 00:28:14,880
Speaker 1: leaving zero and I just think I think that there

572
00:28:14,880 --> 00:28:19,080
Speaker 1: needs to be some kind can leave zero. Sorry a one,

573
00:28:19,920 --> 00:28:21,720
Speaker 1: it's a one. And the thing is, as we said,

574
00:28:21,720 --> 00:28:23,880
Speaker 1: we're open to criticism, but when you haven't actually listened

575
00:28:23,920 --> 00:28:26,120
Speaker 1: to the podcast and you're able to send people over

576
00:28:26,240 --> 00:28:28,640
Speaker 1: to leave us, hey, I actually think that something needs

577
00:28:28,640 --> 00:28:30,479
Speaker 1: to be done. Yeah, And that's what I think. I

578
00:28:30,560 --> 00:28:34,280
Speaker 1: was frustrated about the fact that there is the ability

579
00:28:34,320 --> 00:28:37,080
Speaker 1: to moderate your comments on YouTube and the fact that

580
00:28:37,119 --> 00:28:40,200
Speaker 1: Madison on her video said that she did not want

581
00:28:40,280 --> 00:28:43,280
Speaker 1: to name us or you know, talk directly with us

582
00:28:43,320 --> 00:28:47,560
Speaker 1: about the content. However, allowed her fans to name us

583
00:28:47,600 --> 00:28:50,840
Speaker 1: and then publicize those comments and sent fans our way.

584
00:28:50,880 --> 00:28:54,880
Speaker 1: I think, you know, where does the responsibility lie there?

585
00:28:55,120 --> 00:28:57,960
Speaker 1: But in saying that as well, I did notice there

586
00:28:58,000 --> 00:29:00,960
Speaker 1: were a number of comments in support us pointing out

587
00:29:00,960 --> 00:29:03,360
Speaker 1: the fact that we actually had an issue with her

588
00:29:03,480 --> 00:29:07,400
Speaker 1: traveling during COVID, but those comments were subsequently removed, and

589
00:29:07,440 --> 00:29:10,840
Speaker 1: there have been numerous comments on the actual travel vlogs

590
00:29:10,880 --> 00:29:14,320
Speaker 1: themselves about questioning her behavior to travel. So it is

591
00:29:14,360 --> 00:29:17,240
Speaker 1: interesting that she can control the narrative in that situation.

592
00:29:17,880 --> 00:29:19,920
Speaker 1: I suppose. Just to wrap this up, we just want

593
00:29:19,960 --> 00:29:22,280
Speaker 1: to highlight the fact that we are more than open

594
00:29:22,320 --> 00:29:25,000
Speaker 1: to constructive criticism. As so iph you mentioned earlier, our

595
00:29:25,040 --> 00:29:28,040
Speaker 1: podcast is called out spoken. We often don't even agree

596
00:29:28,080 --> 00:29:30,640
Speaker 1: with each other's opinions, and I think that's what makes

597
00:29:30,640 --> 00:29:33,680
Speaker 1: this podcast good and having raw opinions and just butt

598
00:29:33,760 --> 00:29:36,760
Speaker 1: in the case, everyone grows from constructive criticism. You can

599
00:29:36,880 --> 00:29:39,800
Speaker 1: become better at what you do from getting constructive criticism,

600
00:29:40,000 --> 00:29:43,400
Speaker 1: but in saying that saying things that are untrue or

601
00:29:43,520 --> 00:29:46,760
Speaker 1: lies is not constructive criticism. Yeah, and I think in

602
00:29:46,800 --> 00:29:50,320
Speaker 1: no way do I stand by anyone calling us bullies.

603
00:29:50,920 --> 00:29:53,800
Speaker 1: I think that it's a really sad time when you

604
00:29:53,920 --> 00:29:58,000
Speaker 1: can't hold someone who has influence to account without being

605
00:29:58,080 --> 00:30:02,360
Speaker 1: labeled a bully. I so disagree with the commentary around

606
00:30:02,520 --> 00:30:05,560
Speaker 1: oh because where women were meant to support women. Of

607
00:30:05,720 --> 00:30:09,800
Speaker 1: course that is a great thing to do. However, as women,

608
00:30:09,840 --> 00:30:12,520
Speaker 1: we can't just blindly sit by and watch someone do

609
00:30:12,600 --> 00:30:16,400
Speaker 1: the wrong thing and not have a conversation about it.

610
00:30:15,760 --> 00:30:18,960
Speaker 1: That is such a good point. And what is ironic

611
00:30:19,080 --> 00:30:21,360
Speaker 1: is that Madison was actually featured on the Hughesy and

612
00:30:21,520 --> 00:30:24,000
Speaker 1: Edge show. So they're doing this segment where they highlight

613
00:30:24,080 --> 00:30:27,760
Speaker 1: an influencer of the week. Now that segment is completely

614
00:30:27,800 --> 00:30:30,560
Speaker 1: taking the piss because I kept seeing Madison Woolly and

615
00:30:30,640 --> 00:30:32,960
Speaker 1: Tylia Scaines promoting the fact that they were going to

616
00:30:33,000 --> 00:30:34,880
Speaker 1: be appearing on the radio, and I was like, Wow,

617
00:30:34,920 --> 00:30:37,960
Speaker 1: what's this about? And then when I listened, it was

618
00:30:38,080 --> 00:30:40,880
Speaker 1: so funny. They were very much implying that only men

619
00:30:40,920 --> 00:30:43,160
Speaker 1: followed her. She did not take offense that at all.

620
00:30:43,280 --> 00:30:45,760
Speaker 1: She laughed it off. She laughed everything off. Yeah, and

621
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Speaker 1: they were also belittling her vlogs and what she did,

622
00:30:48,960 --> 00:30:51,239
Speaker 1: so they were making fun of the fact that, you know,

623
00:30:51,480 --> 00:30:54,640
Speaker 1: they asked her exactly, what does working full time mean

624
00:30:54,760 --> 00:30:56,840
Speaker 1: to you? And oh, so you just take photos and

625
00:30:56,920 --> 00:30:59,560
Speaker 1: videos of yourself all day. It with the insinuation was

626
00:30:59,600 --> 00:31:02,720
Speaker 1: that she was unintelligent for doing that job. It was

627
00:31:02,800 --> 00:31:04,320
Speaker 1: I mean, they were having a little bit of fun.

628
00:31:04,360 --> 00:31:08,200
Speaker 1: But Madison went on her Instagram, she promoted this segment.

629
00:31:08,680 --> 00:31:11,760
Speaker 1: Everyone supported it. Yet when it's women calling out the

630
00:31:11,760 --> 00:31:15,719
Speaker 1: behavior of another woman for traveling into state during a pandemic,

631
00:31:15,920 --> 00:31:18,720
Speaker 1: we are labeled as bullies and jealous bitches.

632
00:31:18,840 --> 00:31:19,120
Speaker 2: Yeah.

633
00:31:19,200 --> 00:31:21,400
Speaker 1: Now, I understand that this segment is focused directly on

634
00:31:21,440 --> 00:31:23,480
Speaker 1: Madison bully and that is just because we wanted to

635
00:31:23,520 --> 00:31:26,040
Speaker 1: address the claims that she sent out to a six

636
00:31:26,160 --> 00:31:29,360
Speaker 1: hundred thousand plus followers on her Instagram and YouTube channel,

637
00:31:29,640 --> 00:31:31,560
Speaker 1: and we just want to say that we're aware that

638
00:31:31,560 --> 00:31:34,160
Speaker 1: she is not the only person doing the wrong thing

639
00:31:34,200 --> 00:31:36,959
Speaker 1: in regards to traveling, and we did highlight that on

640
00:31:36,960 --> 00:31:38,760
Speaker 1: our previous episode. So if you do want to have

641
00:31:38,760 --> 00:31:40,800
Speaker 1: a listen to that episode. You can go back and

642
00:31:40,840 --> 00:31:43,200
Speaker 1: find it from three weeks ago, just n forward disappear.

643
00:31:43,440 --> 00:31:46,120
Speaker 3: Did they give a fuck? Unfollowed leave We'll never see

644
00:31:46,120 --> 00:31:48,200
Speaker 3: you again? Phenomenal. We didn't want you here in the

645
00:31:48,200 --> 00:31:50,360
Speaker 3: first place. We don't want you here now, we want

646
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Speaker 3: you here in the future. You are ruining the vibe

647
00:31:52,920 --> 00:31:54,800
Speaker 3: that we have going on, Shad saying.

648
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Speaker 1: Now let's get into the pit and the peak of

649
00:31:57,520 --> 00:31:59,640
Speaker 1: the social media week, Sophie, can you start us off

650
00:31:59,640 --> 00:32:02,000
Speaker 1: with the peace? I think the peak has to be

651
00:32:02,040 --> 00:32:05,280
Speaker 1: that Chloe zep and Mitchell Orvaler absolutely pumping out the

652
00:32:05,320 --> 00:32:07,960
Speaker 1: content at the moment. Now, of course we spoke about

653
00:32:07,960 --> 00:32:10,959
Speaker 1: how they had given birth to their son Artist. Well,

654
00:32:11,040 --> 00:32:14,640
Speaker 1: Chloe had given birth, that's right, Mitchell did. And the

655
00:32:14,720 --> 00:32:17,080
Speaker 1: thing that I found most interesting is that they had

656
00:32:17,080 --> 00:32:20,280
Speaker 1: a professional videographer of film the whole birthing experience. So

657
00:32:20,320 --> 00:32:22,160
Speaker 1: I think it's going to take a number of weeks

658
00:32:22,200 --> 00:32:24,080
Speaker 1: until we get to see that, but they have been

659
00:32:24,120 --> 00:32:27,320
Speaker 1: sharing what it's like to have a newborn child. These

660
00:32:27,360 --> 00:32:29,760
Speaker 1: days in the lifelogs have been so interesting and it's

661
00:32:29,920 --> 00:32:33,040
Speaker 1: really heartwarming to actually see Chloe and Mitch's parents. They

662
00:32:33,040 --> 00:32:34,760
Speaker 1: seem to be really doing a great job of it.

663
00:32:34,840 --> 00:32:38,200
Speaker 1: But I had noticed last night that Mitchell shared a

664
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Speaker 1: post about how he's been really grateful for all the

665
00:32:41,920 --> 00:32:45,280
Speaker 1: feedback fans and followers have been giving him, but he

666
00:32:45,400 --> 00:32:48,120
Speaker 1: kind of is at the point where he needs everyone

667
00:32:48,200 --> 00:32:50,960
Speaker 1: to sort of stop because it's just getting too much. Well,

668
00:32:51,000 --> 00:32:52,360
Speaker 1: I think it was the fact that a lot of

669
00:32:52,360 --> 00:32:54,800
Speaker 1: people were writing, or you're doing this wrong, you're doing

670
00:32:54,840 --> 00:32:56,600
Speaker 1: that wrong, and this could lead to your child dying,

671
00:32:56,600 --> 00:32:59,240
Speaker 1: which is of course incredibly negative when you're trying to

672
00:32:59,280 --> 00:33:02,200
Speaker 1: do the best. Now, what was really interesting is Mitchell

673
00:33:02,240 --> 00:33:04,959
Speaker 1: seems to want to rebrand his whole YouTube channel now.

674
00:33:04,960 --> 00:33:08,120
Speaker 1: He's thrown out the suggestion of calling it Mac Family

675
00:33:08,240 --> 00:33:11,560
Speaker 1: or cam Family, now that Mac is of course Mitchell

676
00:33:11,800 --> 00:33:15,360
Speaker 1: artist Chloe, and I don't think people really like the suggestion,

677
00:33:15,520 --> 00:33:18,280
Speaker 1: because he then followed up with a subsequent suggestion of

678
00:33:18,320 --> 00:33:21,480
Speaker 1: just calling it the Orvils or the Oral Family. So

679
00:33:21,640 --> 00:33:24,240
Speaker 1: I'm glad that they've gone with the Orvils. That is

680
00:33:24,440 --> 00:33:26,520
Speaker 1: so much more on brand. And I think Chloe said

681
00:33:26,560 --> 00:33:29,560
Speaker 1: she's ready to now get proposed because she needs to

682
00:33:29,560 --> 00:33:31,920
Speaker 1: be an Orvil. Now we should probably get onto the pit,

683
00:33:32,080 --> 00:33:35,720
Speaker 1: which is of course the breakup between Kayla Estinas and

684
00:33:35,840 --> 00:33:40,080
Speaker 1: her fiance Toby. Now, these two were absolute Adelaide royalty.

685
00:33:40,600 --> 00:33:44,800
Speaker 1: They of course launched BBG program together in twenty thirteen,

686
00:33:44,840 --> 00:33:48,040
Speaker 1: and most recently they became parents to their daughter Ana,

687
00:33:48,080 --> 00:33:49,920
Speaker 1: And it's just so sad to hear that they have

688
00:33:50,040 --> 00:33:52,360
Speaker 1: parted ways. Oh my gosh. I was shocked when this

689
00:33:52,400 --> 00:33:54,520
Speaker 1: popped up in my newsfeed, and it was so funny

690
00:33:54,560 --> 00:33:57,200
Speaker 1: because I told everyone in the office and then I

691
00:33:57,240 --> 00:33:59,880
Speaker 1: was getting messages from friends and you guys saying, oh

692
00:33:59,880 --> 00:34:02,320
Speaker 1: my ok God, Kaylor and Toby have broken up. And

693
00:34:02,320 --> 00:34:05,600
Speaker 1: I suppose what's quite interesting about this split is the

694
00:34:05,640 --> 00:34:08,600
Speaker 1: fact that they are worth so much money. I think

695
00:34:08,640 --> 00:34:11,720
Speaker 1: it's nearly up to a billion dollars that their sweat

696
00:34:11,760 --> 00:34:14,439
Speaker 1: empire is now worth. But also the fact that they're

697
00:34:14,480 --> 00:34:17,000
Speaker 1: still going to be working together. I wonder how long

698
00:34:17,040 --> 00:34:19,719
Speaker 1: that will actually last. Yeah, I mean, I think it

699
00:34:19,800 --> 00:34:22,000
Speaker 1: was a really classy release that they put out that

700
00:34:22,040 --> 00:34:24,759
Speaker 1: they're still friends, that they're still working together, and they're

701
00:34:24,760 --> 00:34:27,120
Speaker 1: going to do the best to support their daughter. Well,

702
00:34:27,160 --> 00:34:29,719
Speaker 1: it was your typical sort of happy, happy, we're still

703
00:34:29,760 --> 00:34:32,640
Speaker 1: friends released, but we're better offers, you know, business partners.

704
00:34:32,960 --> 00:34:34,960
Speaker 1: I think down the track. It will be interesting to

705
00:34:34,960 --> 00:34:38,719
Speaker 1: see actually how that fares, because I don't know, I

706
00:34:38,760 --> 00:34:41,359
Speaker 1: don't know how productive it can be working with your

707
00:34:41,400 --> 00:34:43,960
Speaker 1: ex partner. Does anyone feel like there's a little bit

708
00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:45,920
Speaker 1: more to the story than we're being told. I know

709
00:34:45,960 --> 00:34:47,840
Speaker 1: a lot of people are saying maybe it's a result

710
00:34:47,880 --> 00:34:49,960
Speaker 1: of COVID and spending a lot of time together, but

711
00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:52,600
Speaker 1: I think this pair, the fact that they work together

712
00:34:52,680 --> 00:34:55,760
Speaker 1: and obviously live together. They already spent a substantial amount

713
00:34:55,760 --> 00:34:57,640
Speaker 1: of time and they've been together for eight years, so

714
00:34:58,000 --> 00:35:01,120
Speaker 1: I you know, let's I am sure, knowing Adelaide, there'll

715
00:35:01,160 --> 00:35:03,960
Speaker 1: be lots of gossip around, which is you know, it's

716
00:35:04,000 --> 00:35:06,640
Speaker 1: sad for Kaylor and Toby, but I'm sure we'll hear

717
00:35:06,640 --> 00:35:11,600
Speaker 1: a bit more about what's actually happened. Now it's time

718
00:35:11,640 --> 00:35:15,239
Speaker 1: for the reality wrap. Now everyone is talking about the

719
00:35:15,280 --> 00:35:19,440
Speaker 1: Plan C Bachelor, which was announced by this so dramatic

720
00:35:19,480 --> 00:35:22,400
Speaker 1: podcast last week. What do were your thoughts on this?

721
00:35:23,680 --> 00:35:26,239
Speaker 1: It doesn't surprise me. I mean, looking at who the

722
00:35:26,440 --> 00:35:29,440
Speaker 1: different options were, I can see why they would have

723
00:35:29,480 --> 00:35:31,799
Speaker 1: been picked before Lockie and it's been bloody and it's

724
00:35:31,840 --> 00:35:35,040
Speaker 1: been bloody boring. I keep falling asleep in the Bachelor. Now,

725
00:35:35,040 --> 00:35:37,920
Speaker 1: for those who haven't heard, the original person who was

726
00:35:37,960 --> 00:35:40,880
Speaker 1: asked to be the bachelor was model Jet Kenny. I

727
00:35:40,920 --> 00:35:43,080
Speaker 1: actually haven't heard of him before. Yeah, I didn't know

728
00:35:43,080 --> 00:35:45,080
Speaker 1: who he was. He was apparently on Dancing with the

729
00:35:45,080 --> 00:35:47,960
Speaker 1: Stars and then got into a relationship with someone on

730
00:35:48,000 --> 00:35:51,400
Speaker 1: the show, so that ruled him out. Now, the second

731
00:35:51,920 --> 00:35:54,120
Speaker 1: plan b Bachelor was a bit of a shock to

732
00:35:54,160 --> 00:35:57,640
Speaker 1: me because it was AFL star Alex rants Now, it

733
00:35:57,719 --> 00:35:59,880
Speaker 1: wasn't touched on on the So Dramatic podcast, but for

734
00:36:00,000 --> 00:36:02,239
Speaker 1: those who don't know, he recently divorced his wife and

735
00:36:02,280 --> 00:36:04,200
Speaker 1: he's got he's got a number of children, so it

736
00:36:04,239 --> 00:36:06,759
Speaker 1: did seem like an interesting option for him to be

737
00:36:06,800 --> 00:36:09,759
Speaker 1: put forward. What sort of makes this story even more

738
00:36:09,760 --> 00:36:12,960
Speaker 1: interesting is the fact that Alex Rantz retired from football

739
00:36:13,040 --> 00:36:16,279
Speaker 1: last year, which shocked the football community. So maybe this

740
00:36:16,400 --> 00:36:19,960
Speaker 1: was actually lined up. But then again, didn't he retire

741
00:36:20,000 --> 00:36:22,720
Speaker 1: because he wanted to spend more time on his religion,

742
00:36:22,960 --> 00:36:24,879
Speaker 1: So then it seems weird to take on that sort

743
00:36:24,880 --> 00:36:27,560
Speaker 1: of role. Yeah, well, I actually have met Alex a

744
00:36:27,560 --> 00:36:29,960
Speaker 1: few times. He wouldn't know who I was, but my

745
00:36:30,120 --> 00:36:34,759
Speaker 1: ex boyfriend's brother played AFL at the Tigers and they

746
00:36:35,080 --> 00:36:37,040
Speaker 1: were kind of working on a special project with each

747
00:36:37,080 --> 00:36:39,920
Speaker 1: other back in twenty fourteen. Now, after seeing him a

748
00:36:39,920 --> 00:36:43,319
Speaker 1: few times in the office, I'm upset that he wasn't Bachelotte.

749
00:36:43,400 --> 00:36:46,640
Speaker 1: He was hot. We really good. Well, apparently the girls

750
00:36:46,640 --> 00:36:49,799
Speaker 1: on Locky season were actually cast for Alex So I

751
00:36:49,840 --> 00:36:52,200
Speaker 1: mean I'd personally be a little bit disappointed if I

752
00:36:52,320 --> 00:36:54,680
Speaker 1: rocked up and he wasn't there and it was Locky. Yeah,

753
00:36:54,719 --> 00:36:57,080
Speaker 1: I know, it is a bit disappointing. I'm really hoping

754
00:36:57,200 --> 00:37:00,880
Speaker 1: Lockie season starts to get better. There's so much drama

755
00:37:01,080 --> 00:37:03,120
Speaker 1: sort of going on amongst the girls, but it doesn't

756
00:37:03,120 --> 00:37:05,799
Speaker 1: really eventuate into anything interesting. Do you know what I

757
00:37:05,800 --> 00:37:08,040
Speaker 1: thought that was pretty funny that came out about Lockie

758
00:37:08,040 --> 00:37:10,719
Speaker 1: this week was there was an article about the fact

759
00:37:10,760 --> 00:37:13,240
Speaker 1: that he has three nipples, Like, is that how desperate

760
00:37:13,280 --> 00:37:16,960
Speaker 1: we are for Bachelor news? Gosh? Well, moving on to

761
00:37:17,080 --> 00:37:19,399
Speaker 1: Bachelor and Paradise Rest in Peace, it was much more

762
00:37:19,400 --> 00:37:22,839
Speaker 1: interesting than The Bachelor. There is a feud currently going

763
00:37:22,920 --> 00:37:25,680
Speaker 1: on between Alisha Glenn and Jewels. Now, say, can you

764
00:37:25,719 --> 00:37:27,479
Speaker 1: fill me in? Because I saw a little bit about

765
00:37:27,520 --> 00:37:30,960
Speaker 1: this on Batchy Funnies Instagram. It's a bizarre feud because

766
00:37:30,960 --> 00:37:33,479
Speaker 1: no one quite knows what's going on. And for those

767
00:37:33,520 --> 00:37:37,040
Speaker 1: who don't remember, Jewles is the guy who broke Alisha's

768
00:37:37,120 --> 00:37:39,319
Speaker 1: heart on but quite really it was a complete bit

769
00:37:39,360 --> 00:37:42,320
Speaker 1: of a dick now. Fans have been left divided about

770
00:37:42,360 --> 00:37:44,759
Speaker 1: this comment and whether it's shady or not. So there

771
00:37:44,800 --> 00:37:48,600
Speaker 1: was a photo of Alisha and Glenn and Jeweles left

772
00:37:48,600 --> 00:37:51,480
Speaker 1: the comment google search frog meme now for those who

773
00:37:51,520 --> 00:37:54,319
Speaker 1: don't remember the frog meme circulated a number of years ago.

774
00:37:54,440 --> 00:37:58,480
Speaker 1: Was that very crudely drawn frog line from him. But

775
00:37:58,560 --> 00:38:01,200
Speaker 1: my favorite meme was when he was still McDonald's chips

776
00:38:01,640 --> 00:38:04,680
Speaker 1: anyway back in the day anyway, and Alisha responded to

777
00:38:04,719 --> 00:38:08,839
Speaker 1: this prob's time to tap out, buddy now. Glenn hit

778
00:38:08,960 --> 00:38:13,759
Speaker 1: back saying Google search umbrella of ambiguity. Now for those

779
00:38:13,760 --> 00:38:15,919
Speaker 1: playing at home, this is the quote that Jules used

780
00:38:15,920 --> 00:38:19,520
Speaker 1: on Bachelor and Paradise to describe his and Alisha's relationship

781
00:38:20,360 --> 00:38:23,120
Speaker 1: and which was equally confusing at the time as what's

782
00:38:23,160 --> 00:38:26,280
Speaker 1: going on in this Instagram comments And then Alisha added

783
00:38:26,920 --> 00:38:29,280
Speaker 1: to this by sharing a photo of her and Glenn

784
00:38:29,360 --> 00:38:33,760
Speaker 1: under an umbrella, saying, hey, Siri, play umbrella Byrianna Now

785
00:38:34,200 --> 00:38:37,600
Speaker 1: was Jules trying to refer that Alisha looks like the

786
00:38:37,640 --> 00:38:40,520
Speaker 1: frog meme, well, because that's really bloody rue. The frog

787
00:38:40,680 --> 00:38:44,200
Speaker 1: always looks has a very blank expression or a sad expression.

788
00:38:44,440 --> 00:38:46,719
Speaker 1: So I don't know if this was maybe in reference to,

789
00:38:47,200 --> 00:38:49,640
Speaker 1: you know, poking fun at the cheating rumors that were

790
00:38:49,640 --> 00:38:51,760
Speaker 1: going around the place, and that she would be sad.

791
00:38:51,840 --> 00:38:54,080
Speaker 1: I'm not quite. I'm so confused. I did see that

792
00:38:54,239 --> 00:38:57,160
Speaker 1: Jules also referred to Glenn as Greg, which was the

793
00:38:57,280 --> 00:39:00,920
Speaker 1: name that Alisha accidentally called Glenn, not like you called him,

794
00:39:00,960 --> 00:39:03,480
Speaker 1: not Jesse. Do we think Greg Do we think the

795
00:39:03,600 --> 00:39:06,800
Speaker 1: Jewels is trying to remain relevant by getting himself involved

796
00:39:06,800 --> 00:39:09,719
Speaker 1: in this so called feud? I think so he just

797
00:39:09,760 --> 00:39:11,920
Speaker 1: needs to go away, just leave them to it. No

798
00:39:11,920 --> 00:39:14,600
Speaker 1: one's interested anymore. I think I feel bad that I

799
00:39:14,640 --> 00:39:17,120
Speaker 1: inflated all these people. There's huge wedding and it flew

800
00:39:17,239 --> 00:39:21,560
Speaker 1: everyone else. I wasted everyone's time and wasted everyone's everything,

801
00:39:21,560 --> 00:39:23,960
Speaker 1: and they feel bad. You don't think I feel bad.

802
00:39:24,040 --> 00:39:27,279
Speaker 1: Now let's get into a new segment, which is Social Snapshot. Now.

803
00:39:27,320 --> 00:39:29,440
Speaker 1: It is taking a look at the most interesting stuff

804
00:39:29,440 --> 00:39:31,319
Speaker 1: that has happened on our news feeds this week. Now,

805
00:39:31,320 --> 00:39:34,280
Speaker 1: Amy let's kick it off with some Michael Finch goss. Well,

806
00:39:34,320 --> 00:39:37,040
Speaker 1: Michael Finch took to YouTube after being absent for a

807
00:39:37,080 --> 00:39:40,400
Speaker 1: month and he basically said that he thinks that all

808
00:39:40,440 --> 00:39:43,319
Speaker 1: influencers should get a part time job. Now. This is

809
00:39:43,360 --> 00:39:46,880
Speaker 1: because he is working at a pop plant places that right, Yeah,

810
00:39:46,880 --> 00:39:49,919
Speaker 1: So he was saying that being an influencer is such

811
00:39:49,960 --> 00:39:52,680
Speaker 1: a lonely job. So he started working for free at

812
00:39:52,680 --> 00:39:55,839
Speaker 1: his friend's place painting pop plants. So it actually looks

813
00:39:55,880 --> 00:39:59,120
Speaker 1: really fun. Yeah. Yeah, it's some beautiful pop plants and

814
00:39:59,160 --> 00:40:01,480
Speaker 1: they're very cool. Well. I think it's great advice for

815
00:40:01,520 --> 00:40:03,560
Speaker 1: influencers though, because it gets them out there in the

816
00:40:03,600 --> 00:40:06,799
Speaker 1: real world. They're having social interactions with people, and they're

817
00:40:06,800 --> 00:40:09,399
Speaker 1: probably appreciating and enjoying the time off that they have.

818
00:40:09,520 --> 00:40:11,120
Speaker 1: I think it's pretty cool that he's doing it for

819
00:40:11,120 --> 00:40:13,439
Speaker 1: free as well. Well. Shane Grimman came out a few

820
00:40:13,440 --> 00:40:15,200
Speaker 1: months ago and she said that she would love to

821
00:40:15,239 --> 00:40:16,920
Speaker 1: work at a coffee shop just to be able to

822
00:40:16,960 --> 00:40:19,120
Speaker 1: talk to people and find out what, you know, normal

823
00:40:19,120 --> 00:40:21,560
Speaker 1: people are doing every day. Now, on the topic of

824
00:40:21,600 --> 00:40:24,920
Speaker 1: Shane Grimman, I have been loving her quarantine vlogs. They

825
00:40:24,920 --> 00:40:28,000
Speaker 1: are so raw and real and I feel excited because

826
00:40:28,040 --> 00:40:30,279
Speaker 1: I feel like perhaps Shany is back. I think that

827
00:40:30,320 --> 00:40:32,520
Speaker 1: she definitely is back. We've spoken about her in the

828
00:40:32,560 --> 00:40:34,720
Speaker 1: past and said we would love to see more content

829
00:40:34,760 --> 00:40:37,160
Speaker 1: coming out, and she did open up in her recent

830
00:40:37,239 --> 00:40:39,680
Speaker 1: vlog and said that the reason she hasn't been sharing

831
00:40:39,719 --> 00:40:42,760
Speaker 1: as much about her life is because she didn't really

832
00:40:42,840 --> 00:40:44,920
Speaker 1: know herself. And she feels like she's gotten to know

833
00:40:45,000 --> 00:40:47,600
Speaker 1: herself a bit better and it's going to start posting again,

834
00:40:47,640 --> 00:40:48,200
Speaker 1: which is great.

835
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Speaker 2: We are having a baby.

836
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Speaker 1: A baby.

837
00:40:52,280 --> 00:40:53,520
Speaker 2: Jeff's so weird to say that.

838
00:40:53,719 --> 00:40:56,640
Speaker 1: Now it's time for awkward Turtle. Now, Amy and Sophy,

839
00:40:56,719 --> 00:40:59,759
Speaker 1: this involves both of you. Yeah, well, everyone who listens

840
00:40:59,760 --> 00:41:02,879
Speaker 1: to this podcast were No. I'm obsessed with Facebook Marketplace

841
00:41:03,160 --> 00:41:04,880
Speaker 1: and I was doing a bit of wheeling and dealing

842
00:41:04,920 --> 00:41:08,400
Speaker 1: on there last week, and I was leaving out an

843
00:41:08,440 --> 00:41:11,320
Speaker 1: item for someone's mum to come and collect. So I

844
00:41:11,320 --> 00:41:13,960
Speaker 1: thought I'd send some photos of a secret spot where

845
00:41:14,000 --> 00:41:16,840
Speaker 1: I'd put this cup. Anyway, so I went to my

846
00:41:16,960 --> 00:41:20,160
Speaker 1: photos and I went to send these photos of the location,

847
00:41:20,480 --> 00:41:23,799
Speaker 1: and I accidentally sent a video of Sophie and her

848
00:41:23,840 --> 00:41:26,239
Speaker 1: dog Archie. And you might think, oh, well, that's that's

849
00:41:26,320 --> 00:41:28,840
Speaker 1: not too embarrassing this video. We're gonna put it on

850
00:41:28,880 --> 00:41:33,080
Speaker 1: our Instagram to share that. Yeah, it was. It was

851
00:41:33,120 --> 00:41:36,720
Speaker 1: Sophie trying to put Arche's collar on. The real insight

852
00:41:36,760 --> 00:41:40,879
Speaker 1: into what Sophie's like off my cause she literally You're

853
00:41:40,920 --> 00:41:44,440
Speaker 1: like it was everyone's ears. But she was like, oh

854
00:41:44,480 --> 00:41:48,239
Speaker 1: my god, she's bite Amy. It was hilarious. And then

855
00:41:48,280 --> 00:41:50,560
Speaker 1: I'm there in the background, I sound like the biggest dickhead.

856
00:41:50,560 --> 00:41:54,000
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, he's very spoiled. Now he's Insta famous,

857
00:41:54,040 --> 00:41:56,640
Speaker 1: and I just thought, how do I even explain this video?

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Speaker 1: So I quickly wrote back to the girl, I was like,

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Speaker 1: I am so sorry, please ignore that video of my

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Speaker 1: sister's dog. And she wrote back was he's very cute.

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Speaker 1: I'm sorry, but I'm the one that's being stitched up here.

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Speaker 1: I'm away screaming in this video in pain from being

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Speaker 1: bitten by Archie us teething at the moment, I thought

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Speaker 1: there was a function now on Messenger where you can

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Speaker 1: remove a post that you've sent. Couldn't you know I

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Speaker 1: have done that. I went to remove it and it

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Speaker 1: said remove for me, so it would only remove it

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Speaker 1: on that. I think you can do both. I believe

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Speaker 1: it's on Instagram. Well maybe so it's both. You know

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Speaker 1: it's on Facebook. You can remove Messenger. It didn't let me. Now,

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Speaker 1: I feel like this is something that happens a lot.

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Speaker 1: We'd love you to share your own awkward messages that

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Speaker 1: you've accidentally sent people like I feel like it happens

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Speaker 1: a lot. If I'm thinking about someone, perhaps I'm writing

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Speaker 1: about Amy, having a little bit about Amy, and I

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Speaker 1: want to send it to Kate. Sometimes I automatically go

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Speaker 1: to send it to the person thinking about So I

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Speaker 1: must have been thinking about Archie when I sent that. Hap. Well,

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Speaker 1: I always get really nervous when I do have to

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Speaker 1: send a photo because you're scared you're going to click

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Speaker 1: on something else and send that. So, yeah, it's actually

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Speaker 1: happened to you, which is not good. At least it

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Speaker 1: was just a video of usually know, it could have

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Speaker 1: been much worse. Well, I think that's all we've got

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Speaker 1: time for today. Thank you so much for listening, and

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