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Speaker 1: On today's show, Aspanovard reportedly files for divorce on the

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Speaker 1: same day she announces the birth of her third child.

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Speaker 1: Tammy Hembro shares how she co parents with Matt Poole

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Speaker 1: and the latest influencer trip creating headlines. Hello, and welcome

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Speaker 1: to Outspoken. It's your dose of the hottest influencer and

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Speaker 1: pop culture news twice a week. I'm Kate Torbert, and

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Speaker 1: I don't know how to feel about this, because apparently

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Speaker 1: being pregnant in your twenties is the new teen pregnancy.

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Speaker 1: And I know I am thirty five, but I actually

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Speaker 1: really resonated with this because a TikToker has come out

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Speaker 1: and said that she feels like when she goes out,

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Speaker 1: she's getting judgmental looks for being pregnant when she's twenty five.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, because this happened to you. The other day.

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Speaker 1: I was at the dentist of all places, and it

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Speaker 1: was my first appointment with this new dentist, and she

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Speaker 1: asked me why I was coming in for a checkup,

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Speaker 1: and I mentioned that I was pregnant, because apparently your

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Speaker 1: bacteria in your mouth changes and you've got to keep

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Speaker 1: up with dental appointments. And then She's like, hang on,

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Speaker 1: when did you get your wisdom teeth out?

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Speaker 2: And I was like, oh, I don't know, like ten

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Speaker 2: fifteen years ago.

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Speaker 1: And she's like, hang on, how old are you? And

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Speaker 1: I said, oh, I'm turning thirty five and she was like,

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Speaker 1: oh my god, I didn't even think you were old

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Speaker 1: enough to have children. And while most people will probably

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Speaker 1: take this as a compliment, I was like, fuck, am

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Speaker 1: I walking around people thinking I'm some teen pregnancy? And

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Speaker 1: I know that sounds ridiculous because I am in my

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Speaker 1: thirties and we were out the other day and some

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Speaker 1: lady who was probably I think in her sixties, she

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Speaker 1: was giving you a filthy look, and I looked at her.

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Speaker 1: I thought, I reckon, she thinks that we're teenagers. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: It's just really given me this complex about it, because

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Speaker 1: I think it's hard when people in their thirties dressed

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Speaker 1: similarly to teenagers, because I usually am out and about

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Speaker 1: in leggings and a big jumper with my hair pulled back,

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Speaker 1: so from a distance you probably couldn't really tell how

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Speaker 2: Well, that's what this TikTok has said.

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Speaker 1: She said she was out at the shop, she's twenty five,

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Speaker 1: and the looks that people were giving her made her

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Speaker 1: feel so uncomfortable. This video resonated with a lot of

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Speaker 1: young women. Her comment section was flooded with people saying like,

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Speaker 1: I'm twenty nine and my doctor even said, wow, you're

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Speaker 1: young to be having kids. Yeah. I think it's all

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Speaker 1: because of the rising age of mums. We now expect

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Speaker 1: women to look a certain age when they do have children,

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Speaker 1: and I think again, it plays also into this whole

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Speaker 1: thing where millennials don't actually consider themselves adults. Well, people

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Speaker 1: are saying that millennials aren't aging as well, so it

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Speaker 1: makes things extra complicated. I also think that there's just

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Speaker 1: so much judgment from older women because first of all,

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Speaker 1: usually I find it's oh, you haven't had kids yet.

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Speaker 1: But then on the other hand, women in the mid

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Speaker 1: twenties are being told, oh, you're too young, so when

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Speaker 1: is the perfect time to have them. I actually saw

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Speaker 1: this article talking about how millennials look a lot younger,

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Speaker 1: and someone was sharing the ages of certain actors in sitcoms.

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Speaker 1: So they brought up a picture of George Costanzer and

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Speaker 1: was like, he's actually thirty one in Seinfeld and then

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Speaker 1: also the cast of What's that show with Ted.

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Speaker 2: Dance and Cheers.

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Speaker 1: A lot of them were apparently in their mid thirties.

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Speaker 1: I could not believe it. They all looked about fifty.

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Speaker 1: So it is interesting to consider what society deems twenty

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Speaker 1: and thirty year olds to actually look like compared to

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Speaker 1: what they do look like. Or they compared George Castanza

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Speaker 2: Aspen and Parker are divorced. I thought this was an

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Speaker 1: The rumor meal is running wild with speculation that YouTuber

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Speaker 1: Aspen Ovard has filed for divorce on the same day

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Speaker 2: The birth of her third child.

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Speaker 1: Court documents were obtained from a super sleuth and posted

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Speaker 1: on Reddit. Now, so before we get into it, can

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Speaker 2: About the couple.

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Speaker 1: Well. Aspen is a twenty seven year old og YouTuber

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Speaker 1: from Utah with over three point two million subscribers, and

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Speaker 1: she started out sharing lifestyle vlogs back in twenty sixteen,

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Speaker 1: and this is where we first met her husband, Parker Ferris.

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Speaker 1: They got married really young, so Aspen was only nineteen

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Speaker 2: So are they a Mormon couple.

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Speaker 1: I say that because you mentioned Utah and there seems

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Speaker 2: Is this one of them? That's a good question.

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Speaker 1: So Aspen isn't a Mormon, but it is believed that

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Speaker 1: Parker grew up as a Mormon and left the religion

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Speaker 2: To marry her.

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Speaker 1: Now, as soon as Aspyn became a mum, her channel

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Speaker 1: evolved into a family channel, with Parker cementing himself as

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Speaker 2: That's always a bit of a red flag.

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Speaker 1: When the husband suddenly disabissed. Yeah. Well this coincided with

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Speaker 1: Aspen also making the decision to pull back from her

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Speaker 1: her channel, which led to a lot of speculation. So

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Speaker 1: everyone was saying that one of her daughters must be unwell,

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Speaker 1: and there was extra speculation when they decided to sell

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Speaker 1: their dream home in Utah. So they had been building

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Speaker 1: the basement. It was part Plucker's dream house, and all

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Speaker 1: of a sudden, Aspen decided that she wanted to move

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Speaker 1: many years now. And this is why Aspen's followers were

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Speaker 1: left completely shocked on Monday when People magazine broke the

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Speaker 1: news that she and Parker were reportedly getting divorced. So

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Speaker 1: a super sleuth has gone and obtained these public court

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Speaker 1: documents that outline the Aspen filed for divorce on the

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Speaker 1: first of April. Now, the reason this was such a

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Speaker 1: shock was because Aspen had literally just announced that she'd

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Speaker 1: given birth to her daughter six weeks early, so she

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Speaker 1: uploaded a total of seven TikTok videos in the delivery room.

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Speaker 1: She even showed Parker in the footage with his wedding

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Speaker 1: ring clearly on display. It does appear that these videos

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Speaker 1: only just decided to upload the content, but it's very

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Speaker 1: odd timing. Why did you upload this content at the

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Speaker 2: It's so odd.

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Speaker 1: A lot of people were speculating this must be some

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Speaker 2: But the official court documents don't lie.

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Speaker 1: I wonder what tip off this apparent slupersluthor has had

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Speaker 1: that they've gone and searched the couple's name on court

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Speaker 1: documents the day they announced the arrival of their third child. Well,

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Speaker 1: it could have had something to do with the fact

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Speaker 1: that Aspen changed over the name of her YouTube channel,

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Speaker 1: which was previously Aspen and Parker, to just her name.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but that's just.

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Speaker 1: A bit of a trend at the moment with influencers.

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Speaker 1: So on a local front, Ellie Watson, who was known

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Speaker 1: by her hand or Else's Wholesome Life, she recently changed

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Speaker 1: her name. It's clear that influencers want to be known

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Speaker 2: It was Aspen and the husband.

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Speaker 1: Well, it was a family channel. That's why it was

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Speaker 1: a bit odd for them to change it. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I feel like if Chloe and Mitch suddenly became just Chloe. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: but it's more commercially viable to promote the most popular

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Speaker 1: person in the duo. The thing that I don't like

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Speaker 1: and this thread absolutely went off. This whole concept of

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Speaker 1: citizen journalism is really strange. I get that these documents

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Speaker 1: and release this information when this woman is at her

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Speaker 1: most vulnerable state. See Aspen's content keeps popping up on

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Speaker 1: same woman? Because I was so confused, I'm like, how

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Speaker 1: know if they've gone into complete damage control and have

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Speaker 1: been completely moderating all the comments. She's probably done that

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Speaker 1: some sort of unspoken rule that we leave postpartum more

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Speaker 1: pregnant women alone. This just seems so targeted and not

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Speaker 1: on TikTok no, but I'm just saying, like, why are

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Speaker 1: but to be fair, this woman does share very private

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Speaker 1: but it's her job and she's posted this. I mean,

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Speaker 1: weird that she decided to post the videos on the

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Speaker 1: documents are legit and they are getting divorced, I wonder

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Speaker 1: if she is announcing the news of her baby as

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Speaker 1: a bit of a red hairing to take people's attention

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Speaker 1: away from the divorce. Because this divorce, they didn't publicly

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Speaker 1: come out and say we're getting divorced. How do they think, Like,

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Speaker 1: how do they know that someone is going to search

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Speaker 1: for this the day they announced their baby is born. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it does sound likely that they're trying to distract people

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Speaker 1: with the baby news. Yeah, it is an interesting tactic

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Speaker 1: because when I heard the news, I'm like, that just

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Speaker 1: doesn't make sense, like it mustn't be true, and I

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Speaker 1: think that that's what they're banking on.

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Speaker 2: Topicals brands. Now, I saw what happened in your recent

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Speaker 2: brand trip and I am praying that everyone is okay.

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Speaker 1: Another week and another influencer brand trip is making headlines. Now,

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Speaker 1: this one's a little bit different though, because the brand

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Speaker 1: at the center of the drama is one you would

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Speaker 1: least expect. Now, before we get into the drama, Ky,

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Speaker 1: can you tell us about the brand. So the brand

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Speaker 1: in question is called Topicals, and they are a very

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Speaker 1: popular gen Z black owned skincare company that are renowned

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Speaker 1: for its inclusive, science backed skincare products. So the brand

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Speaker 1: launched back in twenty twenty two and was founded by

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Speaker 1: Alamadi Alowi, who became the youngest black woman to raise

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Speaker 1: ten million dollars in funding. And it's quite ironic because

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Speaker 1: at the start of the year, Vogue actually praised Topicals

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Speaker 1: for rewriting the playbook on influencer brand trips. So in January,

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Speaker 1: they took twelve black influences on a week trip to Ghana,

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Speaker 1: and the trip was hailed a success and unusually greeted

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Speaker 1: with a lot of positive responses online. Now we will

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Speaker 1: get into why that trip was so successful a little

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Speaker 1: Usually when I do these, I have somewhat of an

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Speaker 1: Talia Scaines has been criticized after sharing details about how

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Speaker 1: she managed her influencing career. The Barlely based YouTuber was

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Speaker 1: and explained that her manager organizes all of her deals, contracts,

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Speaker 1: how easy is the life of an influence, so they

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Speaker 1: quite publicly known that most big time influencers had managers

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Speaker 1: all of these relationships with a huge amount of brands.

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Speaker 1: They go to the manager so that they can secure

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Speaker 1: those big brand deals. And also, now that brands expect

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Speaker 1: so much and you've got to jump through hoops to

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Speaker 1: ensure that you you are putting you know that your

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Speaker 1: to adhere to. I think it's obvious that they need

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Speaker 1: So is this manager actually uploading Talia's content to Instagram?

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Speaker 1: Is that what people have a problem with. They're like, oh,

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Speaker 1: she can't even be bothered to upload it. Well, she says,

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Speaker 1: middle person that is scheduling in the content, because she

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Speaker 2: I actually think that.

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Speaker 1: Talia should be applauded for having a manager, because there

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Speaker 1: are so many influencers who try and manage themselves and

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Speaker 1: they end up having these really embarrassing gaffs where they

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Speaker 1: upload say a caption that they haven't read over properly

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Speaker 1: and it says, you.

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Speaker 2: Know, insert this caption here. It could have.

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Speaker 1: Something to do with Tarlia living in Bali, because recently

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Speaker 1: I discovered that if you start post in content from overseas,

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Speaker 1: do with the VPN. So I wonder when she made

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Speaker 1: her years ago and she recently got them on board,

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Speaker 1: so that potentially could be the reason. But I think

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Speaker 1: people are just looking out for reasons to hate on

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Speaker 1: influencers at the moment, and maybe Tarlia shouldn't have touched

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Speaker 1: on how it all works, but I personally found it

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Speaker 1: pretty interesting because she was talking about how she's got

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Speaker 1: some ongoing brand deals and the packages that she potentially

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Speaker 1: offers them. So she said that sometimes she'll do four

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Speaker 1: and then sometimes she'll have in a monthly hole locked in.

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Speaker 1: And I actually enjoyed hearing the different packages that were

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Speaker 1: available because I love looking out for that sort of

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Speaker 1: stuff in influencers content.

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Speaker 2: Now it's really juicy.

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Speaker 1: It's those boring details that I find so interesting. That's

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Speaker 1: where we're going to leave things today. If you do

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Speaker 1: a subscriber episode every Thursday on Outspoken Plus. People might

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Speaker 2: It is entitled Dear Tattle ghett A life. It's pretty

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Speaker 2: self explanatory.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it is, so we decided to go more in

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Speaker 1: depth about how we were feeling after the backlash that

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