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Speaker 1: This is jam Nayson with Our next guest is an

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Speaker 1: Australian surfing legend. Lane Beachley has ridden the highest waves

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Speaker 1: and has also been wiped out both in the surf

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Speaker 1: and with her mental health. That's why days like are

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Speaker 1: you Okay Day today are so important and today's the

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Speaker 1: day to have a conversation. Lane joins us.

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Speaker 2: Hello, Lane, Hello Amanda, Hello Are you okay? Lane? I

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Speaker 2: am okay. I've just had a surf, so I'm better

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Speaker 2: than okay.

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Speaker 3: And the surf has come back, which is nice. Yes.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, surfing is my liquid valuume. It's what I

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Speaker 2: do to maintain good emotional, mental and physical health.

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Speaker 1: Was I to take liquid valium?

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Speaker 3: Goes to old school?

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Speaker 1: Can I ask you this, Lane, We've heard the message

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Speaker 1: for a few years now, Are you okay? How realistic

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Speaker 1: is it that people open up anecdotally? What have you

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Speaker 1: heard when people ask that question?

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Speaker 2: Well, the challenge is a lot of people don't want

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Speaker 2: to ask the question because they feel like they have

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Speaker 2: to be an expert to answer in the case someone

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Speaker 2: says no, I'm not okay. And so the theme for

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Speaker 2: the are UK Day this year is that there's no

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Speaker 2: qualifications needed for you to ask the question. So it's

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Speaker 2: just a matter of holding the space and being comfortable

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Speaker 2: and the fact that if someone says no, I'm not okay,

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Speaker 2: then you actually don't have to solve the problem. You

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Speaker 2: actually just have to listen to what the issues might be.

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Speaker 1: Yes, because that's the follow up, isn't it where you think, Well,

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Speaker 1: I don't know, I wouldn't know what to say, but

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Speaker 1: I guess. But people over the years are feeling more

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Speaker 1: comfortable when they're asked the question to say no, I'm not.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, because I feel there's less stigma around having poor

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Speaker 2: mental health. I mean, COVID exacerbated it. We saw dramatic

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Speaker 2: increases in christ for help and we're seeing the long

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Speaker 2: term effect of what all those lockdowns caused and that

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Speaker 2: lack of connection and that lack of control over our lives.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, I feel that people now have the courage

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Speaker 2: to not only put their hand up and ask for help,

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Speaker 2: but there's the people that they're asking for help from

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Speaker 2: also have the capacity to hold the space for them.

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Speaker 2: Because actually it's holding the space that's the hardest bit.

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Speaker 2: Because we just want to fix everything. We want to

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Speaker 2: make people feel comfortable because we're so addicted to being

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Speaker 2: comfortable and also listening.

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Speaker 3: Australians we're famous for saying, hey, you are mate all right,

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Speaker 3: and you don't actually you don't actually get an answer,

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Speaker 3: you just move on.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Australians are famous for having two tongues in one ear,

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Speaker 2: so we speak a whole lot more than we listen.

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Speaker 2: Whereas when we're asking are you okay, it's a matter

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Speaker 2: of asking the question and then listening to what the

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Speaker 2: answer is, and then if if they do happen to

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Speaker 2: say no, I'm not, then it's actually helping them find

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Speaker 2: an answer to it, or helping them find someone who

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Speaker 2: is qualified to solve their challenges and speak truthfully about

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Speaker 2: their challenges. Because when we don't honor our feelings, when

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Speaker 2: we suppress our feelings, they end up dominating our lives.

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Speaker 2: So the more we have the comfort or the more

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Speaker 2: safety we have in expressing ourselves and honoring how we feel,

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Speaker 2: the faster we can we can move away from that

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Speaker 2: and start creating autonomy with how we feel.

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Speaker 3: I was watching our Stephanie gilmore Over and shoopoo. I

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Speaker 3: always think with that wave, you know, those invitational things

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Speaker 3: like things like the eddy and all that sort of stuff.

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Speaker 3: Do you think, Please don't invite me to that.

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Speaker 1: Is it a hideous wave?

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Speaker 2: Chopu is a hideous wave. I'm mentally, emotionally and physically

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Speaker 2: scarred from that wave. But yeah, it's really challenging. It

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Speaker 2: tests the courage of every surfer because it is life threatening.

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Speaker 2: And I was proud to see how the girls really

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Speaker 2: embrace that challenge because they haven't had much experience out there,

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Speaker 2: but they certainly did me proud. So I'm excited to

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Speaker 2: see them going back there.

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Speaker 3: And because it just there's no water there where is

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Speaker 3: it it's over? How much will you know it because

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Speaker 3: you've served it? How much water are you looking at

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Speaker 3: when you're on that wave?

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Speaker 2: Well, it depends where you are on the wave put honestly,

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Speaker 2: I mean when you're paddling into the wave, it's only

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Speaker 2: about six foot deep, irrespective of how high the wave is,

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Speaker 2: but then by the time you get to the end

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Speaker 2: of it, it's about half a foot deep, and of

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Speaker 2: course the tide affects it as well. So I've come

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Speaker 2: unstuck there quite a few times. I've been starfished on

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Speaker 2: that reef with my board being pushed down on my face,

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Speaker 2: so literally on my back starfish on the reef and

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Speaker 2: my board the wave came over and pushed the board

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Speaker 2: down onto me. And yeah, and I had to find

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Speaker 2: my way out of that.

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Speaker 3: And is it coral?

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Speaker 1: Are you smashing yourself on coral?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a fire coral as well. So it not

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Speaker 2: only cuts you, it burns you.

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Speaker 1: Oh that's nice, dear, it's really lovely.

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Speaker 2: And do you know how they you know how they

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Speaker 2: treat that in Tahiti and these tropical island They cut

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Speaker 2: a lime in half and squeeze that all over you.

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Speaker 1: Oh that would sting just a little bit.

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Speaker 2: Yes, that burns, deep burn.

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Speaker 3: So around that period of time there'd be a lot

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Speaker 3: of people just with their phone on silent. I missed it.

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Speaker 3: I missed the invite. I don't know how that happened.

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Speaker 2: Well, Chopoo is no longer an invite. That's part of

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Speaker 2: the tour. You have to go.

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Speaker 3: Oh you gotta go.

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Speaker 2: And we're hosting that the Paris Olympics at Chopoo for

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Speaker 2: surfing in twenty four. It's going to be terribly exciting.

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Speaker 1: Get your limes out, yes, and look for a comeback.

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Speaker 3: I want to see a line as well. I'm putting

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Speaker 3: it in a corona and that's it. Well Lane, it's

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Speaker 3: always great to talk to you. Make sure to check

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Speaker 3: on your loved ones today. Head to are You Okay

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Speaker 3: dot org dot are you Lane? Beatsley? Say hi to

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Speaker 3: Kirk for us.

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Speaker 2: Kirk says Hi, are you okay, Kirk?

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Speaker 3: No, no, no, I'm good. I'm right now, I'm good.

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Speaker 3: We're good. Ask me in about twenty minutes and I'll

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Speaker 3: be like, call back then.

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Speaker 1: I'm okay, and I appreciate you asking.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, well well done you guys, thanks for thanks

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Speaker 2: for sharing the message.

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Speaker 1: Thanks Lane,