1 00:00:02,600 --> 00:00:05,840 Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to Outspoken. It's your dose of the 2 00:00:05,880 --> 00:00:08,160 Speaker 1: hottest influenza and pop culture. 3 00:00:07,840 --> 00:00:09,119 Speaker 2: News twice a week. 4 00:00:09,480 --> 00:00:13,240 Speaker 1: I'm Amy Torber and coming up on today's show, Tummy Henbro, 5 00:00:13,440 --> 00:00:16,880 Speaker 1: Debut's her new Man, and why Everyone's Pissed at the 6 00:00:17,000 --> 00:00:20,759 Speaker 1: Road event guest list. But first tickets to Hillary Duff's 7 00:00:20,840 --> 00:00:23,400 Speaker 1: World Tour officially go on pre sale today. 8 00:00:23,440 --> 00:00:25,800 Speaker 2: I'm so excited but also really nervous. 9 00:00:25,960 --> 00:00:28,800 Speaker 3: I just realized that today is also two years to 10 00:00:28,880 --> 00:00:31,080 Speaker 3: the day that we saw Taylor Swift in concert for 11 00:00:31,120 --> 00:00:33,239 Speaker 3: the Eras tour. Maybe that's a good sign. Maybe we 12 00:00:33,280 --> 00:00:34,720 Speaker 3: are going to get some good tickets. 13 00:00:34,800 --> 00:00:37,360 Speaker 1: I've got PTSD still from that waiting room. I think 14 00:00:37,400 --> 00:00:40,960 Speaker 1: we spent two full days logged in trying to get tickets. 15 00:00:41,000 --> 00:00:43,080 Speaker 2: At least we actually got tickets, so so many people 16 00:00:43,080 --> 00:00:43,479 Speaker 2: did well. 17 00:00:43,520 --> 00:00:45,600 Speaker 3: The difference this time around is I've got a toddler 18 00:00:45,600 --> 00:00:47,400 Speaker 3: and you guys have got babies that we have on 19 00:00:47,400 --> 00:00:49,760 Speaker 3: this strict routine, and I'm like, okay, So the presale 20 00:00:49,800 --> 00:00:52,720 Speaker 3: starts at I think it's eleven thirty Adelaide time, and 21 00:00:52,760 --> 00:00:54,720 Speaker 3: then I'm like, hang on, they go down for their 22 00:00:54,800 --> 00:00:58,279 Speaker 3: nap at one what happens if we get in and 23 00:00:58,640 --> 00:01:00,959 Speaker 3: you're busy, like we need to have a plan. 24 00:01:00,880 --> 00:01:02,680 Speaker 1: Well so, and I've also got a work shoot on, 25 00:01:02,840 --> 00:01:05,039 Speaker 1: so that's gonna make things extra difficult. 26 00:01:04,680 --> 00:01:06,000 Speaker 2: But you just have to try. 27 00:01:06,200 --> 00:01:08,320 Speaker 1: I'm sure it's not gonna be as popular as Taylor 28 00:01:08,400 --> 00:01:10,640 Speaker 1: Swift or am I setting us up for a big fault. 29 00:01:10,520 --> 00:01:11,319 Speaker 4: Don't jinx? 30 00:01:11,480 --> 00:01:13,880 Speaker 3: I mean Hillary Duff has twenty seven point nine million 31 00:01:13,880 --> 00:01:16,639 Speaker 3: followers on Instagram and she has created such a buzz. 32 00:01:16,640 --> 00:01:20,000 Speaker 3: The marketing around her comeback has been incredible and I 33 00:01:20,000 --> 00:01:21,640 Speaker 3: think a big part of the reason why so many 34 00:01:21,640 --> 00:01:22,919 Speaker 3: people want to go to her concert. 35 00:01:22,920 --> 00:01:25,440 Speaker 1: There's so many different presales on I have ordered her 36 00:01:25,520 --> 00:01:28,480 Speaker 1: vinyl album from Warner Brothers in the hope that maybe 37 00:01:28,520 --> 00:01:30,720 Speaker 1: I'll be able to get some tickets. But I heard 38 00:01:30,720 --> 00:01:33,440 Speaker 1: some people saying online that you should only be able 39 00:01:33,480 --> 00:01:36,880 Speaker 1: to enter the presale if your birth year starts with 40 00:01:37,000 --> 00:01:38,080 Speaker 1: one and a nine, and I. 41 00:01:38,040 --> 00:01:42,000 Speaker 3: Think something agree well, perhaps providing proof of you going 42 00:01:42,000 --> 00:01:44,280 Speaker 3: to her concert the last time she was in Australia. 43 00:01:44,280 --> 00:01:45,560 Speaker 3: I think that's a true fan. 44 00:01:45,400 --> 00:01:47,960 Speaker 2: It's really crazy that it's been over twenty years since 45 00:01:48,040 --> 00:01:51,040 Speaker 2: Hillary was last here for her Australian concept. I mean, 46 00:01:51,240 --> 00:01:53,200 Speaker 2: we would have had to call up ticket tech or 47 00:01:53,200 --> 00:01:56,520 Speaker 2: even line up. It's amazing how much modern technology has changed. 48 00:01:57,800 --> 00:01:59,440 Speaker 5: Was I the only one that felt like it was 49 00:01:59,480 --> 00:02:01,960 Speaker 5: hard to watch that road event? Knew that one in 50 00:02:02,000 --> 00:02:06,760 Speaker 5: Sydney with all the influencers, that was the most cringiest 51 00:02:06,760 --> 00:02:07,880 Speaker 5: thing I have ever seen. 52 00:02:09,200 --> 00:02:11,800 Speaker 1: In case you've been living under a rock, Hailey Bieber 53 00:02:11,880 --> 00:02:14,560 Speaker 1: has been in Sydney promoting the launch of her skincare 54 00:02:14,600 --> 00:02:18,000 Speaker 1: brand Road into Mecca in Australia. Late last week, the 55 00:02:18,040 --> 00:02:21,280 Speaker 1: A lister held an influencer event to celebrate the launch, 56 00:02:21,520 --> 00:02:25,080 Speaker 1: which has dominated news feeds, but for an unexpected reason. 57 00:02:25,520 --> 00:02:28,440 Speaker 1: It turns out the influencer guest list has ruffled some feathers, 58 00:02:28,480 --> 00:02:31,840 Speaker 1: particularly of those creators who weren't invited. Kate, can you 59 00:02:31,880 --> 00:02:32,480 Speaker 1: tell us more? 60 00:02:32,800 --> 00:02:35,440 Speaker 3: Well, the content creators who didn't make the invite list 61 00:02:35,480 --> 00:02:38,160 Speaker 3: aren't happy, and I can kind of see why. My 62 00:02:38,320 --> 00:02:41,760 Speaker 3: TikTok has been absolutely flooded by this event. But everything 63 00:02:41,880 --> 00:02:45,400 Speaker 3: just looks the same except as uploaded by a different influencer. 64 00:02:45,520 --> 00:02:47,520 Speaker 3: So most of the videos start with this shot of 65 00:02:47,560 --> 00:02:50,200 Speaker 3: Hailey Bieber arriving at the event, and she looks like 66 00:02:50,240 --> 00:02:53,040 Speaker 3: she'd rather be anywhere else. But there, and as she 67 00:02:53,280 --> 00:02:57,120 Speaker 3: wades through this sea of white, thin, young influencers, she 68 00:02:57,240 --> 00:02:59,560 Speaker 3: does this little double wave. Have you guys seen it? 69 00:02:59,560 --> 00:03:00,000 Speaker 3: It's so far. 70 00:03:00,480 --> 00:03:01,960 Speaker 1: I didn't pick up on the vibe that she didn't 71 00:03:01,960 --> 00:03:03,359 Speaker 1: want to be there, though, I think she sort of 72 00:03:03,360 --> 00:03:05,200 Speaker 1: looks a little bit shy and a bit like timidly. 73 00:03:05,240 --> 00:03:08,639 Speaker 2: Oh hi everyone. I saw some people commenting on TikTok 74 00:03:08,680 --> 00:03:10,839 Speaker 2: saying did she just pretend to chew? 75 00:03:10,919 --> 00:03:11,200 Speaker 1: Chewing? 76 00:03:11,240 --> 00:03:11,600 Speaker 2: Done? 77 00:03:12,120 --> 00:03:13,600 Speaker 1: As soon as she entered the room she did this 78 00:03:13,639 --> 00:03:16,400 Speaker 1: bit of a chew, and other people saying, she's really nervous, 79 00:03:16,440 --> 00:03:19,040 Speaker 1: like that is something like she's trying to mask her nerves. 80 00:03:19,160 --> 00:03:20,959 Speaker 4: Okay, it could have been a mix of nerves. 81 00:03:20,960 --> 00:03:23,200 Speaker 3: But there is a shot of her before she actually 82 00:03:23,360 --> 00:03:25,720 Speaker 3: enters the venue, and it's kind of like, oh God, 83 00:03:25,760 --> 00:03:27,320 Speaker 3: do I really have to go in? 84 00:03:27,360 --> 00:03:28,440 Speaker 4: Because I don't blame her. 85 00:03:28,760 --> 00:03:32,320 Speaker 3: Literally, everyone was just pointing their phones at her, recording 86 00:03:32,360 --> 00:03:33,520 Speaker 3: her every movement. 87 00:03:33,639 --> 00:03:35,600 Speaker 1: The room looked very intimidating, and I don't want to 88 00:03:35,640 --> 00:03:37,200 Speaker 1: shit on the people that were there, because I'm sure 89 00:03:37,200 --> 00:03:40,520 Speaker 1: they're lovely, but from an outside perspective, it almost looked 90 00:03:40,600 --> 00:03:42,560 Speaker 1: like you were back at high school and it was 91 00:03:42,560 --> 00:03:44,320 Speaker 1: a room full of popular people and you were just 92 00:03:44,360 --> 00:03:45,240 Speaker 1: waiting to be bullied. 93 00:03:45,280 --> 00:03:47,520 Speaker 3: Well, someone said it looked like a Kookie staff party, 94 00:03:47,560 --> 00:03:50,480 Speaker 3: which made me laugh. And I think everyone's a bit 95 00:03:50,520 --> 00:03:54,040 Speaker 3: disappointed because in addition to this shot of Hailey Bieber 96 00:03:54,120 --> 00:03:57,360 Speaker 3: that was in every video, all the other videos also 97 00:03:57,480 --> 00:03:59,920 Speaker 3: featured the Road Bakery, so it was like slow motion 98 00:04:00,040 --> 00:04:02,280 Speaker 3: shots of this pop up bay creed. There was this 99 00:04:02,400 --> 00:04:06,080 Speaker 3: pile of waffles that was literally in every real there 100 00:04:06,120 --> 00:04:09,240 Speaker 3: were berries and these purple Wellness shots with Road branded 101 00:04:09,280 --> 00:04:12,760 Speaker 3: ice cubes. It looked very cute, but it's like, is 102 00:04:12,800 --> 00:04:15,440 Speaker 3: that all you can come up with for this event? 103 00:04:15,640 --> 00:04:18,000 Speaker 4: Like where's a creativity. 104 00:04:17,320 --> 00:04:20,000 Speaker 1: From being in pr and being around these types of events. 105 00:04:20,040 --> 00:04:22,080 Speaker 1: I think that a lot of the influencers there would 106 00:04:22,080 --> 00:04:24,560 Speaker 1: have just been so starstruck that Hailey Bieber was in 107 00:04:24,640 --> 00:04:27,760 Speaker 1: their orbit and sort of thought, well, I've got the invite. Anyway, 108 00:04:28,080 --> 00:04:30,080 Speaker 1: I'm not really going to go above and beyond to 109 00:04:30,160 --> 00:04:33,600 Speaker 1: create a really out there video that's really creative. I 110 00:04:33,640 --> 00:04:34,960 Speaker 1: think that would have just been like, oh, look, it's 111 00:04:34,960 --> 00:04:36,640 Speaker 1: good enough to just film whatever's here. 112 00:04:36,720 --> 00:04:37,840 Speaker 4: But it's not really good enough. 113 00:04:37,880 --> 00:04:40,440 Speaker 3: Like if you're getting an invite to this type of event, 114 00:04:40,480 --> 00:04:42,920 Speaker 3: which a lot of people wanted to go to You've 115 00:04:42,960 --> 00:04:44,800 Speaker 3: really got to do better than just a slow moo 116 00:04:44,920 --> 00:04:47,559 Speaker 3: montage of stuff that happened in it. The only video 117 00:04:47,640 --> 00:04:49,400 Speaker 3: that really stood out to me was the one Jackie 118 00:04:49,440 --> 00:04:53,240 Speaker 3: Alexander uploaded, and that was because Hailey Bieber noticed her. 119 00:04:53,440 --> 00:04:57,000 Speaker 3: So she was filming when Haley Bieber waded through the crowd, 120 00:04:57,400 --> 00:05:01,039 Speaker 3: and Hailey walked past her, grabs into her arm and says, 121 00:05:01,120 --> 00:05:02,200 Speaker 3: I love your content. 122 00:05:02,680 --> 00:05:04,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, I saw that one popped up for me too, 123 00:05:04,880 --> 00:05:07,000 Speaker 1: and I was like, oh my god. Jackie Alexander must 124 00:05:07,000 --> 00:05:08,800 Speaker 1: have just died in that moment. And I think the 125 00:05:08,880 --> 00:05:12,200 Speaker 1: reason that Haley said it is probably because she does 126 00:05:12,240 --> 00:05:14,520 Speaker 1: watch her videos, but also because she probably wanted to 127 00:05:14,560 --> 00:05:17,000 Speaker 1: make it look as though she had hand selected the 128 00:05:17,080 --> 00:05:20,040 Speaker 1: creators that were there, which has turned out to actually 129 00:05:20,040 --> 00:05:22,320 Speaker 1: be a bad thing because of the lack of diversity. 130 00:05:22,400 --> 00:05:24,400 Speaker 1: Let's be honest. Though she wouldn't have had anything to 131 00:05:24,400 --> 00:05:26,880 Speaker 1: do with the guest list, I actually thought that she 132 00:05:26,960 --> 00:05:30,240 Speaker 1: looked so intimidated in that space that she almost saw 133 00:05:30,279 --> 00:05:32,280 Speaker 1: a friendly face in Jackie and. 134 00:05:32,279 --> 00:05:35,240 Speaker 3: Was like, oh hello, Like yeah, she was searching for 135 00:05:35,279 --> 00:05:38,520 Speaker 3: a familiar face. In terms of the backlash, it actually 136 00:05:38,560 --> 00:05:42,920 Speaker 3: started before the event, so content creator Georgia Dale wasn't. 137 00:05:42,640 --> 00:05:43,560 Speaker 4: Happy from the get go. 138 00:05:43,720 --> 00:05:45,840 Speaker 3: So though it is not familiar with her, she has 139 00:05:45,880 --> 00:05:48,960 Speaker 3: over sixty two thousand followers on TikTok and she shares 140 00:05:49,000 --> 00:05:52,720 Speaker 3: makeup tutorials and cama holes now. Prior to the road event, 141 00:05:52,839 --> 00:05:53,560 Speaker 3: she said. 142 00:05:53,279 --> 00:05:56,640 Speaker 6: This, I'm really trying not to be a hate here, 143 00:05:56,880 --> 00:05:58,760 Speaker 6: but I already know who's going to these road events 144 00:05:59,040 --> 00:06:02,040 Speaker 6: because you've gone to every other event this year and 145 00:06:02,160 --> 00:06:03,880 Speaker 6: last year and there before. What I'm trying to say 146 00:06:03,920 --> 00:06:06,400 Speaker 6: is I'm a little bit bored, Like, girl, I already 147 00:06:06,440 --> 00:06:08,800 Speaker 6: know you're gonna go meet Hailey Bieby, Margot Robbie and 148 00:06:08,880 --> 00:06:11,200 Speaker 6: Jake Blowry, and like, I already. 149 00:06:10,960 --> 00:06:11,560 Speaker 3: Know who's going. 150 00:06:11,839 --> 00:06:14,400 Speaker 6: It's the same people that go to every event. And 151 00:06:14,560 --> 00:06:16,400 Speaker 6: I'm a god call me a hater, I'm like, yes, 152 00:06:16,600 --> 00:06:18,760 Speaker 6: I wish I was there. I recognize that in myself, 153 00:06:18,800 --> 00:06:21,000 Speaker 6: I would love to be doing what you're doing. As 154 00:06:21,040 --> 00:06:23,960 Speaker 6: someone that views this content really bored. Everyone looks amazing, 155 00:06:24,000 --> 00:06:26,320 Speaker 6: the outfits look good. I'm gonna get a little transition moment, 156 00:06:26,480 --> 00:06:27,920 Speaker 6: a little Hailey Biba, you look great. 157 00:06:27,960 --> 00:06:29,080 Speaker 4: Like hard way to see the content. 158 00:06:29,240 --> 00:06:31,560 Speaker 2: It's also just a little bit predictable. 159 00:06:33,160 --> 00:06:35,560 Speaker 1: Well, we were kind of joking that these girls looked 160 00:06:35,640 --> 00:06:38,000 Speaker 1: like your high school bullies. Maybe that's what it is 161 00:06:38,040 --> 00:06:40,280 Speaker 1: as well, that we're sort of sick of these popular 162 00:06:40,600 --> 00:06:44,039 Speaker 1: type people only being invited to the cool events. We actually, 163 00:06:44,120 --> 00:06:47,560 Speaker 1: as consumers want to see influencers that also represent us, 164 00:06:47,680 --> 00:06:49,400 Speaker 1: and I don't really think there's much of an excuse 165 00:06:49,440 --> 00:06:53,240 Speaker 1: because the influencer industry is so vast now it's oversaturated. 166 00:06:53,279 --> 00:06:55,840 Speaker 1: We've got so many great, smaller creators that would have 167 00:06:55,920 --> 00:06:58,120 Speaker 1: actually jumped at the chance of going and actually put 168 00:06:58,160 --> 00:07:00,480 Speaker 1: out something that their consumers would have got more out 169 00:07:00,520 --> 00:07:02,960 Speaker 1: of than just seeing a montage of a pretty event. 170 00:07:03,279 --> 00:07:05,600 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's not twenty sixteen anymore, when we've only got 171 00:07:05,600 --> 00:07:08,360 Speaker 3: a couple of big influencers like we are absolutely at 172 00:07:08,440 --> 00:07:11,440 Speaker 3: saturation point, and it seems like brand agencies are just 173 00:07:11,520 --> 00:07:13,920 Speaker 3: resting on their laurels and inviting the same people every 174 00:07:13,960 --> 00:07:15,960 Speaker 3: time because maybe they can't be bothered to come up 175 00:07:16,000 --> 00:07:16,920 Speaker 3: with another invite list. 176 00:07:17,040 --> 00:07:20,080 Speaker 1: Was anyone else surprised that the Shameless Girls weren't there 177 00:07:20,520 --> 00:07:23,280 Speaker 1: because they have had a long standing partnership with Mecha. 178 00:07:23,400 --> 00:07:26,200 Speaker 1: I think that they would have brought something creative to 179 00:07:26,280 --> 00:07:26,960 Speaker 1: the event. 180 00:07:26,880 --> 00:07:28,440 Speaker 4: We're talking about podcasters. 181 00:07:28,640 --> 00:07:32,520 Speaker 3: Lucy Jackson from Happy Hour actually commented on George's video 182 00:07:32,840 --> 00:07:34,560 Speaker 3: and she wrote, I think they should get us to 183 00:07:34,600 --> 00:07:37,840 Speaker 3: interview Hailey Bieber and ask a hard hitter. Writer and 184 00:07:37,920 --> 00:07:40,840 Speaker 3: creator Oleary Potter also added always the same and always 185 00:07:40,920 --> 00:07:42,400 Speaker 3: zero diversity. 186 00:07:41,960 --> 00:07:44,360 Speaker 1: And these two women were left off the invite list, 187 00:07:44,520 --> 00:07:45,920 Speaker 1: which I think is a bad move. 188 00:07:45,960 --> 00:07:47,840 Speaker 3: They would have added a lot to it. Yeah, well, 189 00:07:47,920 --> 00:07:50,240 Speaker 3: I kind of am sensing a bit of a theme here. 190 00:07:50,320 --> 00:07:53,440 Speaker 3: It seems like anyone over thirty bar Jackie Alexander were 191 00:07:53,560 --> 00:07:57,600 Speaker 3: invited because jar Dae Tunci was another influencer who was 192 00:07:57,680 --> 00:08:00,480 Speaker 3: unhappy she was left off the invite list. So despite 193 00:08:00,520 --> 00:08:03,400 Speaker 3: having five hundred and forty eight thousand followers on Instagram 194 00:08:03,480 --> 00:08:06,600 Speaker 3: and five hundred and thirteen thousand on TikTok, she didn't 195 00:08:06,640 --> 00:08:09,720 Speaker 3: make the cut. And last year was quite interesting because 196 00:08:09,720 --> 00:08:12,200 Speaker 3: she opened up about how since she's become a mother, 197 00:08:12,760 --> 00:08:15,080 Speaker 3: she hasn't been invited to a lot of these events 198 00:08:15,160 --> 00:08:18,320 Speaker 3: that she previously would have, and she's also spoken about 199 00:08:18,360 --> 00:08:21,160 Speaker 3: losing a lot of brand deals and prior to becoming 200 00:08:21,200 --> 00:08:24,040 Speaker 3: a mom, she was one of Australia's biggest fashion influences. 201 00:08:24,400 --> 00:08:27,880 Speaker 3: She consistently worked with brands like prior to Gucci, Louis Verton. 202 00:08:28,360 --> 00:08:29,880 Speaker 3: Let's take a listen to what she said. 203 00:08:31,280 --> 00:08:31,840 Speaker 5: I want to know. 204 00:08:32,559 --> 00:08:36,600 Speaker 7: Okay, think about it. Why more mummies aren't being invited 205 00:08:36,720 --> 00:08:42,800 Speaker 7: to the core person things right because we listen, we 206 00:08:43,920 --> 00:08:48,080 Speaker 7: have money to spend, okay, because we're not doing much, 207 00:08:48,440 --> 00:08:50,160 Speaker 7: and we're sitting at home and r on our phones 208 00:08:50,480 --> 00:08:52,839 Speaker 7: and we're online shopping and we're doing a lot of that. 209 00:08:53,840 --> 00:08:55,720 Speaker 7: And not only that, but sometimes we want a little, 210 00:08:56,200 --> 00:08:58,200 Speaker 7: you know, treat to make ourselves feel good. 211 00:08:58,720 --> 00:08:58,880 Speaker 3: Right. 212 00:08:59,120 --> 00:09:02,679 Speaker 7: And also we're very we can be very influential. I 213 00:09:02,840 --> 00:09:05,559 Speaker 7: trust lots of mothers now with their opinions. Word of 214 00:09:05,640 --> 00:09:07,440 Speaker 7: mouth is very important. And as soon as her mom 215 00:09:07,520 --> 00:09:10,480 Speaker 7: says this is good, I'm like, yes, thank you, at takat, 216 00:09:10,559 --> 00:09:12,559 Speaker 7: I don't have to go looking for the thing that 217 00:09:12,720 --> 00:09:16,560 Speaker 7: you just recommended to me. So think about Everyone loves 218 00:09:16,640 --> 00:09:24,200 Speaker 7: Desperate Housewives, everyone loves Derep's moms. Everyone loves that Mormon show. 219 00:09:24,240 --> 00:09:25,319 Speaker 8: With the mom's in it. 220 00:09:26,600 --> 00:09:29,640 Speaker 1: The ironic thing is Hailey Bieber is also a mum, 221 00:09:29,800 --> 00:09:33,760 Speaker 1: which I sometimes forget. She has a son called Jack Blue. Okay, 222 00:09:33,840 --> 00:09:34,760 Speaker 1: you started that trend. 223 00:09:34,840 --> 00:09:37,320 Speaker 3: Yeah, What's funny because Jarde actually said, look, I think 224 00:09:37,360 --> 00:09:39,839 Speaker 3: I'd have more to chat about to Hailey Bieber because 225 00:09:39,920 --> 00:09:42,679 Speaker 3: we are both moms. Their kids are a similar age. Also, 226 00:09:42,840 --> 00:09:46,199 Speaker 3: Jarde's thirty, Hailey Bieber's twenty nine. It's funny because I 227 00:09:46,320 --> 00:09:48,760 Speaker 3: cracked up when I saw Rannie brand spreeze video. So 228 00:09:48,880 --> 00:09:51,520 Speaker 3: she was there at the event and she said she 229 00:09:51,640 --> 00:09:54,280 Speaker 3: never thought she would talk to Hailey Bieber about jet lag. 230 00:09:55,040 --> 00:09:58,040 Speaker 3: So she was one of the influencers who actually managed 231 00:09:58,040 --> 00:10:01,199 Speaker 3: to talk to her, and she had her positioned to 232 00:10:01,400 --> 00:10:06,439 Speaker 3: record the conversation from beneath, and she shared herself being like, oh, so, 233 00:10:06,720 --> 00:10:08,000 Speaker 3: how's the jet lag? 234 00:10:08,080 --> 00:10:08,600 Speaker 4: How are you going? 235 00:10:08,679 --> 00:10:11,600 Speaker 3: It just seemed like the most boring conversation she paid 236 00:10:11,640 --> 00:10:12,599 Speaker 3: herself out about it. 237 00:10:12,720 --> 00:10:14,719 Speaker 1: Look no shade to Rannie Bransby, but I didn't think 238 00:10:14,720 --> 00:10:17,120 Speaker 1: that she was a very relevant influencer anymore. I mean, 239 00:10:17,160 --> 00:10:19,000 Speaker 1: the last time I heard about her was when she 240 00:10:19,120 --> 00:10:22,080 Speaker 1: was on a US trip with Michael Finch and Shiny 241 00:10:22,160 --> 00:10:24,440 Speaker 1: Grimman and that gang back in what twenty eighteen. 242 00:10:24,559 --> 00:10:25,240 Speaker 4: Well, I think it's. 243 00:10:25,120 --> 00:10:27,800 Speaker 3: Because she's a part of Jackie Alexander's group of friends, 244 00:10:27,840 --> 00:10:28,640 Speaker 3: and that's what a lot. 245 00:10:28,559 --> 00:10:29,400 Speaker 4: Of people were saying. 246 00:10:29,679 --> 00:10:32,080 Speaker 3: People were saying, well, the only way to get an 247 00:10:32,160 --> 00:10:35,160 Speaker 3: invite to these events is if you are on the 248 00:10:35,240 --> 00:10:38,199 Speaker 3: brand agency's radar in terms of you're managed by them, 249 00:10:38,760 --> 00:10:41,880 Speaker 3: or you're a part of an influencer click And I 250 00:10:41,960 --> 00:10:44,480 Speaker 3: could see that because it does seem like the same 251 00:10:44,559 --> 00:10:47,480 Speaker 3: influences are getting invited to all of the same events. 252 00:10:47,559 --> 00:10:49,400 Speaker 3: So all of the people we saw at the AO, 253 00:10:49,920 --> 00:10:52,000 Speaker 3: they were at this event. They also then were at 254 00:10:52,040 --> 00:10:54,920 Speaker 3: the Wuthering Heights premiere, and I'm pretty sure we're going 255 00:10:55,000 --> 00:10:56,079 Speaker 3: to see them at the Grand Prix. 256 00:10:56,200 --> 00:10:56,280 Speaker 9: Well. 257 00:10:56,320 --> 00:10:59,439 Speaker 1: I think the worst thing for Rhode and Hayley Bieber 258 00:10:59,559 --> 00:11:02,040 Speaker 1: is the fact that for years Hailey Bieber has been 259 00:11:02,120 --> 00:11:05,280 Speaker 1: battling this sort of mean girl persona that has been 260 00:11:05,360 --> 00:11:08,720 Speaker 1: created about her online and this sort of just feeds 261 00:11:08,760 --> 00:11:09,160 Speaker 1: into it. 262 00:11:09,360 --> 00:11:12,520 Speaker 3: Yeah, it was giving off that energy and one TikToker 263 00:11:12,679 --> 00:11:15,559 Speaker 3: called call me Sammy, she was completely over it. She 264 00:11:15,679 --> 00:11:18,520 Speaker 3: said that she found the event hard to watch. Let's 265 00:11:18,559 --> 00:11:20,760 Speaker 3: take a listen to what she particularly had a problem with. 266 00:11:22,080 --> 00:11:24,240 Speaker 1: They like pictures them on the mech website and they're 267 00:11:24,240 --> 00:11:27,520 Speaker 1: all like and they're all like doing the fake laughing. 268 00:11:28,320 --> 00:11:28,720 Speaker 8: Do it, just. 269 00:11:30,960 --> 00:11:33,120 Speaker 2: Do do do the fake las laugh? 270 00:11:33,240 --> 00:11:36,280 Speaker 1: In a photo, so we don't know that it's fake. 271 00:11:37,920 --> 00:11:39,760 Speaker 3: So off the back of this clip going a little 272 00:11:39,760 --> 00:11:43,240 Speaker 3: bit viral on TikTok, Jackie, Alexander and Sofa Dofah hit 273 00:11:43,320 --> 00:11:46,440 Speaker 3: back posting their own TikTok. So they were of course 274 00:11:46,480 --> 00:11:49,400 Speaker 3: invited to live golf over the weekend in Adelaide, and 275 00:11:49,559 --> 00:11:52,520 Speaker 3: they shared a video of themselves fake laughing with the 276 00:11:52,600 --> 00:11:57,319 Speaker 3: caption influencers fake laughing is so insufferable. These fake influencer 277 00:11:57,440 --> 00:11:59,920 Speaker 3: laughing photos and videos bring me back to twenty six 278 00:12:00,320 --> 00:12:03,240 Speaker 3: when I was working at an influencer slash event sort 279 00:12:03,280 --> 00:12:06,439 Speaker 3: of agency, and all us girls working there would take 280 00:12:06,600 --> 00:12:08,760 Speaker 3: all of these photos and I thought they were quite 281 00:12:08,800 --> 00:12:11,520 Speaker 3: cringe to back at now, but maybe it's back in fashion. 282 00:12:11,920 --> 00:12:14,319 Speaker 2: They were insufferable at the time and they still are now. 283 00:12:15,720 --> 00:12:17,920 Speaker 3: Well, Jackie's video didn't land, I think the way she 284 00:12:18,040 --> 00:12:20,280 Speaker 3: thought it would. Someone wrote, I thought the videos were 285 00:12:20,280 --> 00:12:23,280 Speaker 3: about there being a lack of diversity, and she wrote, no, 286 00:12:23,440 --> 00:12:25,920 Speaker 3: this has nothing to do with those videos, and then 287 00:12:25,960 --> 00:12:28,240 Speaker 3: the person replied, out of all the critiques, both valid 288 00:12:28,280 --> 00:12:31,760 Speaker 3: and vapid, you decided the vapid one requires airtime, to 289 00:12:31,880 --> 00:12:35,200 Speaker 3: which Jackie responded, not true. If you used your eyes 290 00:12:35,320 --> 00:12:37,280 Speaker 3: and braids. Now, I do have to point out there 291 00:12:37,400 --> 00:12:40,480 Speaker 3: was some slight diversity. There were a couple of Asian 292 00:12:40,720 --> 00:12:45,079 Speaker 3: and black creators at the event, but it was majority white, 293 00:12:45,200 --> 00:12:47,720 Speaker 3: skinny influencers. I mean, you just had to look at 294 00:12:47,760 --> 00:12:49,680 Speaker 3: the vision from the event to see that, which, to. 295 00:12:49,720 --> 00:12:52,800 Speaker 1: Point out, wasn't actually the fault of the influencers who 296 00:12:52,880 --> 00:12:55,040 Speaker 1: were in attendance, because when you get invited to something 297 00:12:55,160 --> 00:12:57,800 Speaker 1: like this so like you get given the guest list. 298 00:12:58,160 --> 00:13:01,760 Speaker 1: So and also, I mean Jackie Alexander's video, I think 299 00:13:01,800 --> 00:13:03,439 Speaker 1: she was actually trying to take the piss out of 300 00:13:03,520 --> 00:13:06,199 Speaker 1: herself in that instance. Look, I'm a big fan of 301 00:13:06,280 --> 00:13:08,280 Speaker 1: Jackie Alexander, and if someone has to fly the over 302 00:13:08,360 --> 00:13:09,800 Speaker 1: thirties flag, I want it to be her. 303 00:13:10,120 --> 00:13:11,280 Speaker 3: Yeah. Well, I feel like she was one of the 304 00:13:11,360 --> 00:13:14,880 Speaker 3: only influencers that created interesting content from the event. And 305 00:13:14,960 --> 00:13:17,480 Speaker 3: I do agree it's the brand agencies who have planned 306 00:13:17,520 --> 00:13:19,800 Speaker 3: this event and put the invite list forward that are 307 00:13:19,880 --> 00:13:21,800 Speaker 3: to blame. And I actually think it would be beneficial 308 00:13:21,840 --> 00:13:23,959 Speaker 3: to them to actually cast their net out wider and 309 00:13:24,160 --> 00:13:28,120 Speaker 3: start inviting some smaller creators because often those creators have 310 00:13:28,440 --> 00:13:30,439 Speaker 3: more of an influence than the bigger ones. 311 00:13:30,679 --> 00:13:33,080 Speaker 1: I think this really shows that we as consumers also 312 00:13:33,160 --> 00:13:37,520 Speaker 1: need to take some responsibility and start following more diverse influencers, 313 00:13:37,600 --> 00:13:40,640 Speaker 1: more smaller creators, so they then get the opportunities when 314 00:13:40,679 --> 00:13:41,880 Speaker 1: events like this come around. 315 00:13:42,000 --> 00:13:43,960 Speaker 3: I think some people will say, well, Hang on Road 316 00:13:44,080 --> 00:13:46,400 Speaker 3: was clearly trying to target a gen Z market, so 317 00:13:46,520 --> 00:13:49,120 Speaker 3: they did that by inviting all of these influences. But 318 00:13:49,640 --> 00:13:52,160 Speaker 3: if you've got an invite list of two hundred people, 319 00:13:52,679 --> 00:13:55,280 Speaker 3: why would you just hit the same demographic with those 320 00:13:55,320 --> 00:13:59,400 Speaker 3: two hundred people. Why not diversify it and, as Jade said, 321 00:13:59,480 --> 00:14:02,120 Speaker 3: invite some of the influencers who appeal to mums. They've 322 00:14:02,160 --> 00:14:05,600 Speaker 3: got money. Invite diverse people. You know, it doesn't make 323 00:14:05,640 --> 00:14:07,520 Speaker 3: sense to invite all of the same people that have 324 00:14:07,920 --> 00:14:09,559 Speaker 3: the same audience crossover. 325 00:14:10,920 --> 00:14:12,359 Speaker 4: I actually do have a Valentine. 326 00:14:14,440 --> 00:14:17,480 Speaker 1: Tammy Hembro debut her new man at the Sydney premiere 327 00:14:17,600 --> 00:14:19,480 Speaker 1: of Wuthering Heights on Thursday night. 328 00:14:19,920 --> 00:14:20,760 Speaker 2: On the red carpet. 329 00:14:20,880 --> 00:14:23,240 Speaker 1: The new couple packed on the PDA in front of 330 00:14:23,320 --> 00:14:26,360 Speaker 1: the cameras, including a bum grab. Now you've got to 331 00:14:26,400 --> 00:14:28,400 Speaker 1: give it to Tammy because she even managed to steal 332 00:14:28,440 --> 00:14:31,360 Speaker 1: the spotlight away from Margot Robbie and Jacob Laura. Now 333 00:14:31,480 --> 00:14:34,000 Speaker 1: I saw this everywhere on Thursday night. 334 00:14:34,200 --> 00:14:34,960 Speaker 2: It was crazy. 335 00:14:35,040 --> 00:14:37,600 Speaker 1: The Daily Telegraph picked up on it. We shared a 336 00:14:37,680 --> 00:14:40,880 Speaker 1: couple of reels that went absolutely viral. Now the new 337 00:14:41,000 --> 00:14:44,680 Speaker 1: man in question is a guy called Grayson to Mooana 338 00:14:44,880 --> 00:14:47,400 Speaker 1: and he is a twenty two year old Sydney based 339 00:14:47,480 --> 00:14:51,120 Speaker 1: model and aspiring actor. He has a very modest social 340 00:14:51,200 --> 00:14:54,280 Speaker 1: media following of only two point eight thousand on Instagram 341 00:14:54,360 --> 00:14:57,840 Speaker 1: and one point two thousand on TikTok, which is minuscule 342 00:14:57,920 --> 00:15:01,520 Speaker 1: in comparison to Tammy Hembro's six zo point eight million followers. 343 00:15:01,680 --> 00:15:03,600 Speaker 3: Yeah, we need to talk about the age gap because 344 00:15:03,600 --> 00:15:06,720 Speaker 3: it has been a hot topic online. So Tammy is 345 00:15:06,720 --> 00:15:09,040 Speaker 3: set to turn thirty two in April this year, while 346 00:15:09,080 --> 00:15:13,400 Speaker 3: Grayson is twenty two. People did the math pretty quickly 347 00:15:13,480 --> 00:15:16,800 Speaker 3: and worked out that Grayson was twelve when Tammy's eldest son, 348 00:15:16,880 --> 00:15:19,080 Speaker 3: Wolf was born. Do you think it was fair that 349 00:15:19,200 --> 00:15:21,280 Speaker 3: people were, you know, picking up on the age If 350 00:15:21,320 --> 00:15:23,320 Speaker 3: it was a man, would we be no, you know, 351 00:15:23,440 --> 00:15:24,200 Speaker 3: doing the math as much. 352 00:15:24,320 --> 00:15:26,640 Speaker 1: No one seemed to care when her ex husband Matt 353 00:15:26,640 --> 00:15:30,200 Speaker 1: Sakowski was dating a woman in her early twenties at 354 00:15:30,280 --> 00:15:32,240 Speaker 1: all that was just thought of us being the norm. 355 00:15:32,600 --> 00:15:35,440 Speaker 1: Maybe I'm extra sensitive about this because my husband is 356 00:15:35,560 --> 00:15:37,320 Speaker 1: I say, four and a half you guys say five 357 00:15:37,400 --> 00:15:39,440 Speaker 1: years younger than me, and just think there's a total 358 00:15:39,520 --> 00:15:42,600 Speaker 1: hypocrisy when it comes to women dating younger men. Look, 359 00:15:42,640 --> 00:15:45,400 Speaker 1: it might be my internalized misogyny, but I was shocked 360 00:15:45,440 --> 00:15:47,320 Speaker 1: at the age difference. And I think it really came 361 00:15:47,400 --> 00:15:50,200 Speaker 1: down to the fact that Tammy has three kids, and 362 00:15:50,720 --> 00:15:52,600 Speaker 1: you know, as you said, Wolf is ten years old, 363 00:15:52,600 --> 00:15:54,880 Speaker 1: there's only a twelve year age gap there. I think 364 00:15:54,960 --> 00:15:56,600 Speaker 1: when you look at a twenty two year old guy, 365 00:15:56,720 --> 00:15:59,480 Speaker 1: you think, is he really in this to be had 366 00:15:59,520 --> 00:16:00,080 Speaker 1: stepped down. 367 00:16:00,120 --> 00:16:00,800 Speaker 4: To these kids. 368 00:16:01,120 --> 00:16:02,880 Speaker 2: I mean, I'm guessing he's just a bit of fun 369 00:16:02,920 --> 00:16:04,400 Speaker 2: for the moment. But I was shocked. I'm going to 370 00:16:04,440 --> 00:16:06,320 Speaker 2: be I think a lot of people were shocked. Why 371 00:16:06,440 --> 00:16:07,280 Speaker 2: they boo him on the. 372 00:16:07,280 --> 00:16:08,840 Speaker 1: Red carpet if he is a bit of fun. I 373 00:16:08,880 --> 00:16:10,520 Speaker 1: think that that's where my mind goes. 374 00:16:11,080 --> 00:16:11,920 Speaker 4: Take a shit situation. 375 00:16:12,360 --> 00:16:14,840 Speaker 3: Well, I think in terms of the age in this situation, 376 00:16:15,080 --> 00:16:17,560 Speaker 3: it comes more down to life stages rather than the 377 00:16:17,640 --> 00:16:20,240 Speaker 3: actual age, because I think if Tammy didn't have kids 378 00:16:20,320 --> 00:16:23,480 Speaker 3: and hadn't been married and had a couple of engagements 379 00:16:23,520 --> 00:16:26,120 Speaker 3: and people wouldn't really care. But it's the fact that 380 00:16:26,280 --> 00:16:28,280 Speaker 3: you know, she's put it out there that she's going 381 00:16:28,320 --> 00:16:30,920 Speaker 3: to be a lot more careful moving forward and dating someone, 382 00:16:30,960 --> 00:16:32,960 Speaker 3: and then it just seems like she's making the same mistakes. 383 00:16:33,000 --> 00:16:33,120 Speaker 7: All. 384 00:16:33,880 --> 00:16:35,720 Speaker 1: It's so true because I think we've spoken about this 385 00:16:35,800 --> 00:16:38,720 Speaker 1: before on the podcast, someone said someone who's thirty five 386 00:16:38,800 --> 00:16:41,400 Speaker 1: in single with no kids is younger than someone who's 387 00:16:41,440 --> 00:16:43,440 Speaker 1: twenty seven married with three children. I think the thing 388 00:16:43,480 --> 00:16:45,760 Speaker 1: with Tammy as well is that we've all been on 389 00:16:45,880 --> 00:16:48,080 Speaker 1: board of all these new relationships and it kind of 390 00:16:48,160 --> 00:16:50,720 Speaker 1: just seems like another train wreck that's just about to happen, 391 00:16:50,800 --> 00:16:53,520 Speaker 1: and you can't help but think. Fuck, Like, you know, 392 00:16:53,920 --> 00:16:55,400 Speaker 1: you need to be a bit more careful when you're 393 00:16:55,480 --> 00:16:57,560 Speaker 1: selecting her to date. Maybe a twenty two year old 394 00:16:58,040 --> 00:16:59,840 Speaker 1: model isn't the best option. 395 00:17:00,160 --> 00:17:00,320 Speaker 10: Yeah. 396 00:17:00,360 --> 00:17:03,640 Speaker 3: Well, in terms of the timeline of this relationship, Grayson 397 00:17:03,720 --> 00:17:06,000 Speaker 3: was actually asked on the Red Carpet about when he 398 00:17:06,119 --> 00:17:08,760 Speaker 3: started dating Tammy and he said it had been going 399 00:17:08,840 --> 00:17:13,119 Speaker 3: on four quote some time. According to the trail of 400 00:17:13,200 --> 00:17:15,560 Speaker 3: breadcrumbs at the couple and their friends have dropped on 401 00:17:15,640 --> 00:17:19,000 Speaker 3: social media, it appears that they actually first met at 402 00:17:19,040 --> 00:17:22,119 Speaker 3: a show po event back in late November, so it 403 00:17:22,280 --> 00:17:25,280 Speaker 3: seems likely that Grayson was a plus one of his 404 00:17:25,440 --> 00:17:28,920 Speaker 3: influencer friend Brayden Dunbar, who ended up posting a video 405 00:17:28,960 --> 00:17:32,159 Speaker 3: of him doing shots alongside Tammy and Grayson. Now, this 406 00:17:32,520 --> 00:17:35,800 Speaker 3: was the night that Tammy shared the mystery bicep on 407 00:17:35,920 --> 00:17:38,680 Speaker 3: her TikTok, and a lot of people wondered if the 408 00:17:38,840 --> 00:17:41,480 Speaker 3: arm belonged to the big boss at her management company 409 00:17:41,560 --> 00:17:44,320 Speaker 3: because he had been photographed with his arm around her 410 00:17:44,400 --> 00:17:48,080 Speaker 3: outside the event that night. Then it seemed like Bailey 411 00:17:48,160 --> 00:17:50,560 Speaker 3: Smith took credit for it in that Tinder ad and 412 00:17:50,600 --> 00:17:52,600 Speaker 3: so everyone's like, oh, he must have beat it. However, 413 00:17:52,720 --> 00:17:55,000 Speaker 3: we have had confirmation in our DMS that the true 414 00:17:55,040 --> 00:17:57,800 Speaker 3: owner of the bicep is Grayson. In fact, he even 415 00:17:57,920 --> 00:17:59,800 Speaker 3: re shared Tammy's post at the time. 416 00:18:00,160 --> 00:18:04,280 Speaker 1: These influencer events seem to really push the two closer together, 417 00:18:04,400 --> 00:18:08,040 Speaker 1: because they then reunited at another brand event in mid January. 418 00:18:08,119 --> 00:18:10,600 Speaker 1: This time it was at Runway, the label's yacht party, 419 00:18:10,800 --> 00:18:13,960 Speaker 1: and Grayson's influencer friend Braiden It documented their time on 420 00:18:14,000 --> 00:18:14,640 Speaker 1: the It's. 421 00:18:14,560 --> 00:18:16,800 Speaker 3: Pretty wild because I was looking back at the content 422 00:18:16,920 --> 00:18:19,200 Speaker 3: Tammy shared from this event seeing if I could spot 423 00:18:19,320 --> 00:18:22,000 Speaker 3: Grayson in it, and he actually appears for a couple 424 00:18:22,040 --> 00:18:25,320 Speaker 3: of seconds in her real they're actually standing next to 425 00:18:25,440 --> 00:18:27,359 Speaker 3: each other in blink and you would have missed it, 426 00:18:27,520 --> 00:18:30,720 Speaker 3: but when you watch it on slow mo, he's definitely there. 427 00:18:31,080 --> 00:18:34,000 Speaker 1: The timing was so interesting because the day of the premiere, 428 00:18:34,520 --> 00:18:37,560 Speaker 1: an interview with Tammy on her sister Emily's podcast Drop. 429 00:18:37,760 --> 00:18:40,080 Speaker 1: So I listened to that as soon as it came out, 430 00:18:40,280 --> 00:18:43,760 Speaker 1: and in it, Tammy was speaking about having a Valentine 431 00:18:44,280 --> 00:18:46,399 Speaker 1: And in the interview she said she was single and 432 00:18:46,640 --> 00:18:49,600 Speaker 1: wasn't doing anything for Valentine's Day because she was away 433 00:18:49,640 --> 00:18:52,040 Speaker 1: for an event, which ended up being live golf. But 434 00:18:52,160 --> 00:18:55,560 Speaker 1: in the next breath she said this, well, I'm the 435 00:18:55,720 --> 00:18:56,760 Speaker 1: single one. 436 00:18:56,880 --> 00:18:57,879 Speaker 4: You guys have a partner. 437 00:18:58,000 --> 00:18:58,280 Speaker 3: I don't. 438 00:18:58,920 --> 00:19:00,920 Speaker 4: I don't get that. I don't have a partner to 439 00:19:01,080 --> 00:19:04,680 Speaker 4: help me like guys. But speaking of Valentine's Day, I 440 00:19:04,680 --> 00:19:08,840 Speaker 4: actually do have a Valentine. Oh my god, spilled the tea. 441 00:19:09,000 --> 00:19:11,440 Speaker 1: I'm not telling anyone anything, especially you two. 442 00:19:11,920 --> 00:19:16,560 Speaker 10: I think both name on your phone Amy right now, 443 00:19:17,440 --> 00:19:20,359 Speaker 10: when you were doing way can I your messages came up. 444 00:19:20,960 --> 00:19:24,960 Speaker 1: It's just like nothing though it's just my Valentine. 445 00:19:24,960 --> 00:19:27,040 Speaker 10: But I still think that's fun to just even have 446 00:19:28,160 --> 00:19:31,240 Speaker 10: someone to like, you know, and like get receive some 447 00:19:31,320 --> 00:19:34,440 Speaker 10: flowers from, or like a cute little card. Amy when 448 00:19:34,480 --> 00:19:35,960 Speaker 10: you saw the name, would I know it? 449 00:19:36,160 --> 00:19:36,320 Speaker 9: Yes? 450 00:19:36,440 --> 00:19:36,560 Speaker 10: Or no? 451 00:19:36,880 --> 00:19:37,600 Speaker 4: I didn't know it? 452 00:19:37,840 --> 00:19:42,000 Speaker 10: Okay, but yeah, I try to stay out of that stuff. 453 00:19:41,720 --> 00:19:44,280 Speaker 2: Which is why trust me, girl, I'm not trying to 454 00:19:44,560 --> 00:19:45,520 Speaker 2: bolove you in anything. 455 00:19:45,680 --> 00:19:47,840 Speaker 4: I'm not telling anyone anything into. 456 00:19:47,760 --> 00:19:50,639 Speaker 10: My life ever again, so like us, you're not telling us. 457 00:19:50,680 --> 00:19:53,960 Speaker 10: So you're not telling any literally, no one, not even friends. 458 00:19:55,160 --> 00:19:58,359 Speaker 10: You know what, Pat knows my my manager, he's the 459 00:19:58,480 --> 00:20:01,240 Speaker 10: only person. Oh my god, no I'm telling anything to. 460 00:20:02,720 --> 00:20:04,600 Speaker 1: I wonder if Grayson was spearing that he didn't get 461 00:20:04,600 --> 00:20:06,360 Speaker 1: an invite to live golf with Tammy. 462 00:20:06,280 --> 00:20:08,919 Speaker 2: Well, the papers are already labeling him fame hungry. 463 00:20:09,119 --> 00:20:11,240 Speaker 3: Well, I can see how they have drawn that conclusion. 464 00:20:11,560 --> 00:20:14,520 Speaker 3: In terms of this podcast interview, it was so weird 465 00:20:14,600 --> 00:20:16,560 Speaker 3: because in it Tammy was saying, oh, I'm not going 466 00:20:16,640 --> 00:20:19,359 Speaker 3: to tell anyone anything about this relationship, and then the 467 00:20:19,520 --> 00:20:22,520 Speaker 3: day the interview drops, she's then on the red carpet 468 00:20:22,560 --> 00:20:24,840 Speaker 3: with him, Like was this all a quick turnaround In 469 00:20:24,920 --> 00:20:28,000 Speaker 3: terms of saying, Oh, I'm actually going to hard launch. 470 00:20:27,800 --> 00:20:28,919 Speaker 4: Him, like, oh, what happened? 471 00:20:29,000 --> 00:20:31,320 Speaker 1: And then once the article started popping up that night 472 00:20:31,440 --> 00:20:34,520 Speaker 1: about Grace and I noticed that Emily re shared a 473 00:20:34,600 --> 00:20:37,280 Speaker 1: clip from her podcast where Tammy said I've got a Valentine, 474 00:20:37,359 --> 00:20:38,800 Speaker 1: So it seemed like they were all trying to jump 475 00:20:38,880 --> 00:20:41,240 Speaker 1: on the train of the big reveal. 476 00:20:41,359 --> 00:20:43,439 Speaker 3: Yeah, but what doesn't make sense is in that interview 477 00:20:43,480 --> 00:20:45,480 Speaker 3: she said, oh, I'm not going to share who it is, 478 00:20:45,600 --> 00:20:48,280 Speaker 3: and then she does, so it's like, it doesn't really 479 00:20:48,359 --> 00:20:50,280 Speaker 3: make sense. I think something's obviously happened. 480 00:20:50,320 --> 00:20:52,280 Speaker 1: But even the fact that they shared a kiss on 481 00:20:52,320 --> 00:20:55,119 Speaker 1: the red carpet, like it was all incredibly attention seeking. 482 00:20:55,320 --> 00:20:56,920 Speaker 1: To me, it's clear she's just trying to steal the 483 00:20:56,920 --> 00:20:59,440 Speaker 1: attention back from Matt Sukowski, who's got a really good 484 00:20:59,640 --> 00:21:03,400 Speaker 1: edit I'm a celeb, or potentially she's trying to distract 485 00:21:03,440 --> 00:21:06,640 Speaker 1: from something else that may be coming out about her soon. 486 00:21:06,720 --> 00:21:08,359 Speaker 1: We have learned throughout the years that this is a 487 00:21:08,440 --> 00:21:10,000 Speaker 1: huge tactic of hers well. 488 00:21:10,080 --> 00:21:13,600 Speaker 3: Talking about Mattzakowski, she actually threw shade at him on 489 00:21:13,920 --> 00:21:16,760 Speaker 3: the podcast episode with Emily, So when she was asked 490 00:21:16,800 --> 00:21:20,159 Speaker 3: to share her best or worst Valentine's Day story, she said, this. 491 00:21:21,560 --> 00:21:22,600 Speaker 4: Can you think of your worst? 492 00:21:23,920 --> 00:21:27,160 Speaker 1: My worst was probably last year, And that's what I'm 493 00:21:27,160 --> 00:21:31,280 Speaker 1: gonna say about that. What was last year? Oh, the 494 00:21:31,400 --> 00:21:32,240 Speaker 1: year before, I don't know. 495 00:21:32,400 --> 00:21:33,840 Speaker 4: Whenever I was lost in a. 496 00:21:33,840 --> 00:21:37,520 Speaker 2: Relationship, what was that? 497 00:21:39,080 --> 00:21:39,959 Speaker 1: I'm trying to remember. 498 00:21:40,680 --> 00:21:41,040 Speaker 5: I don't know. 499 00:21:41,480 --> 00:21:42,760 Speaker 4: Let's just let's move on. 500 00:21:43,000 --> 00:21:43,320 Speaker 10: Amy. 501 00:21:44,720 --> 00:21:47,199 Speaker 2: I remember seeing a photo of what Matt Zakowski got 502 00:21:47,280 --> 00:21:49,720 Speaker 2: Tammy Hembro for Valentine's Day two years ago, and you 503 00:21:49,760 --> 00:21:51,800 Speaker 2: could just tell it's not what she wanted. 504 00:21:51,880 --> 00:21:54,399 Speaker 1: There was like a jelly cat toy chili and it 505 00:21:54,520 --> 00:21:57,720 Speaker 1: was like their vows that were laminated. But really, I'm 506 00:21:57,760 --> 00:22:00,000 Speaker 1: guessing Tammy would have wanted a big bunch of rope. 507 00:22:00,359 --> 00:22:01,760 Speaker 4: Well they work better on the Graham dope. 508 00:22:01,840 --> 00:22:04,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, but Mattzakowski was always known for the petrol station 509 00:22:04,440 --> 00:22:06,640 Speaker 1: flower or the Wooly's flower, So what was she expecting 510 00:22:06,720 --> 00:22:08,960 Speaker 1: She knew going into it, which is actually kind of 511 00:22:09,000 --> 00:22:10,440 Speaker 1: sweet now that you reflect on it. 512 00:22:10,600 --> 00:22:11,199 Speaker 4: Sometimes there's a. 513 00:22:11,200 --> 00:22:14,400 Speaker 1: Bit much when you see those influencers getting those obnoxiously 514 00:22:14,600 --> 00:22:17,920 Speaker 1: large roses and you're like, in the real world, like, yeah, 515 00:22:18,000 --> 00:22:19,480 Speaker 1: it's usually people that are fighting the. 516 00:22:19,520 --> 00:22:22,600 Speaker 3: Most well in terms of Tammy's new relationship, it hasn't 517 00:22:22,640 --> 00:22:25,680 Speaker 3: taken long for it to be rocked by cheating allegations. 518 00:22:25,760 --> 00:22:29,720 Speaker 3: So the day after the movie premiere, Grayson's ex girlfriend's 519 00:22:29,800 --> 00:22:31,320 Speaker 3: sister and friends. 520 00:22:31,480 --> 00:22:33,359 Speaker 4: Came out swinging on TikTok. 521 00:22:33,800 --> 00:22:36,160 Speaker 3: So one friend wrote, imagine you find out your twenty 522 00:22:36,200 --> 00:22:38,199 Speaker 3: two year old boyfriend was cheating on you with an 523 00:22:38,240 --> 00:22:41,400 Speaker 3: extremely well known influencer, a thirty one year old mum 524 00:22:41,480 --> 00:22:44,160 Speaker 3: of three kids. So you kick him out after he's 525 00:22:44,200 --> 00:22:47,280 Speaker 3: lived with you for eight months, despite him denying the allegations. 526 00:22:47,760 --> 00:22:50,360 Speaker 3: Just two days later, you're scrolling TikTok and you see 527 00:22:50,440 --> 00:22:53,240 Speaker 3: him now being heart launched on the red carpet. That 528 00:22:53,400 --> 00:22:56,000 Speaker 3: poor girl having such a portrayal rubbed in her face. 529 00:22:56,119 --> 00:23:00,360 Speaker 3: So publicly disgusting behavior from the both of them. As 530 00:23:00,480 --> 00:23:04,320 Speaker 3: for Grayson's ex girlfriend's sisters, they took it a step further, 531 00:23:04,520 --> 00:23:07,640 Speaker 3: so under a video of Tammy and Grayson at the premiere, 532 00:23:08,160 --> 00:23:10,399 Speaker 3: one sister shared a photo of what appeared to be 533 00:23:10,560 --> 00:23:14,240 Speaker 3: Tammy and Grayson cuddling in bed with the caption, he 534 00:23:14,440 --> 00:23:16,800 Speaker 3: cheated on my sister and these videos is how she 535 00:23:16,960 --> 00:23:19,560 Speaker 3: found out. Here is a photo of them not that 536 00:23:19,800 --> 00:23:24,840 Speaker 3: long ago. Now, another sister added Grayson Timuuana, a man 537 00:23:24,960 --> 00:23:27,200 Speaker 3: of mystery dot dot dot. The twenty two year old 538 00:23:27,320 --> 00:23:30,720 Speaker 3: keeps his girlfriend off his socials and reckons maturing is 539 00:23:30,840 --> 00:23:34,320 Speaker 3: realizing connections can take you further than education ever can, 540 00:23:34,920 --> 00:23:38,240 Speaker 3: so desires to shack up with an influencer while still 541 00:23:38,280 --> 00:23:41,600 Speaker 3: with his girlfriend, then proceeds to lie and manipulate her 542 00:23:41,680 --> 00:23:44,119 Speaker 3: into thinking she's the one in the wrong and that 543 00:23:44,240 --> 00:23:47,720 Speaker 3: he didn't tell her things because she would overreact, proceeds 544 00:23:47,760 --> 00:23:50,680 Speaker 3: to call her the sea word, and while she's left 545 00:23:50,800 --> 00:23:53,080 Speaker 3: home crying while on the phone to me for support. 546 00:23:53,520 --> 00:23:56,200 Speaker 3: Only a few short days later, he's out on the 547 00:23:56,280 --> 00:23:59,520 Speaker 3: red carpet, necking and touching up tummy trying to gain 548 00:23:59,600 --> 00:24:03,920 Speaker 3: clout thanks from said girlfriend's sister. In terms of the 549 00:24:04,040 --> 00:24:06,560 Speaker 3: quote that one of the sisters reference saying, maturing is 550 00:24:06,640 --> 00:24:10,520 Speaker 3: realizing connections take you further than education can ever, that 551 00:24:10,800 --> 00:24:15,520 Speaker 3: was actually a caption on one of Grayson's recent TikTok videos, 552 00:24:15,560 --> 00:24:16,000 Speaker 3: The Fuck. 553 00:24:16,320 --> 00:24:18,880 Speaker 1: I love the reaction from the sisters. It's pretty iconic. 554 00:24:18,960 --> 00:24:20,879 Speaker 1: I think that this is something that we would do 555 00:24:21,040 --> 00:24:23,200 Speaker 1: for one another if one of us got fucked over 556 00:24:23,400 --> 00:24:26,080 Speaker 1: by guy. Well, Grayson's actually come out and denied the 557 00:24:26,200 --> 00:24:28,720 Speaker 1: cheating allegations. So the Daily Mail and running with it 558 00:24:28,800 --> 00:24:31,560 Speaker 1: as an exclusive. He's given them a comment which says, 559 00:24:31,760 --> 00:24:34,320 Speaker 1: just to clear things up, the narrative being shared about 560 00:24:34,400 --> 00:24:37,560 Speaker 1: me online isn't accurate. I haven't been in a relationship 561 00:24:37,600 --> 00:24:40,879 Speaker 1: of any kind for over three years. The claims circulating 562 00:24:41,000 --> 00:24:41,800 Speaker 1: us simply falls. 563 00:24:42,000 --> 00:24:43,320 Speaker 2: We don't believe you, Grayson. 564 00:24:43,640 --> 00:24:44,919 Speaker 4: Why do we don't believe him? 565 00:24:45,520 --> 00:24:47,600 Speaker 3: Which if you see the photos of all of the 566 00:24:47,720 --> 00:24:50,240 Speaker 3: girl with the girlfriends like from Christmas Day, like he's 567 00:24:50,640 --> 00:24:53,080 Speaker 3: they're putting the Christmas tree up together, like what? 568 00:24:53,800 --> 00:24:56,239 Speaker 1: This isn't a good sign for Tammy going forward if 569 00:24:56,280 --> 00:24:58,440 Speaker 1: he is able to just lie like that. 570 00:24:58,960 --> 00:25:01,040 Speaker 3: No, And I think that this confirm what we're all 571 00:25:01,119 --> 00:25:03,440 Speaker 3: thinking about Grayson being a clout chaser. I mean it 572 00:25:03,520 --> 00:25:05,680 Speaker 3: was clear the moment I saw that his influencer friend 573 00:25:05,760 --> 00:25:08,160 Speaker 3: was tagging him under all the videos that he appeared 574 00:25:08,359 --> 00:25:10,960 Speaker 3: on from the launch, so even influence updates au he 575 00:25:11,040 --> 00:25:12,919 Speaker 3: put Grayson Timawana like. 576 00:25:13,320 --> 00:25:15,639 Speaker 1: I saw under the Daily Telegraph one of his friends 577 00:25:15,720 --> 00:25:18,600 Speaker 1: tagged him and wrote killing it Grayson. He hasn't even 578 00:25:18,640 --> 00:25:20,359 Speaker 1: got that many more followers because I think he was 579 00:25:20,400 --> 00:25:22,760 Speaker 1: sitting at like close to three thousand. It's only just 580 00:25:22,840 --> 00:25:25,119 Speaker 1: clocked over to three thousand. I want to know what 581 00:25:25,280 --> 00:25:28,520 Speaker 1: does Emily and Amy think about Grayson, because they were 582 00:25:28,640 --> 00:25:31,280 Speaker 1: very open in their views around Matt. Maybe they need 583 00:25:31,359 --> 00:25:33,040 Speaker 1: to get Grayson on their podcasts. 584 00:25:33,160 --> 00:25:33,280 Speaker 8: Well. 585 00:25:33,320 --> 00:25:35,320 Speaker 1: In Amy's podcast when they were chatting to Tammy, they 586 00:25:35,359 --> 00:25:37,440 Speaker 1: did say that the name that was popping up was 587 00:25:37,480 --> 00:25:39,680 Speaker 1: one that they didn't recognize at all, fring that he's 588 00:25:39,760 --> 00:25:42,199 Speaker 1: not famous. I don't think that they'd be thrilled by 589 00:25:42,200 --> 00:25:44,720 Speaker 1: the fact that it's his twenty two year old wanna 590 00:25:44,760 --> 00:25:47,120 Speaker 1: be content creator, part time model. Yeah. 591 00:25:47,119 --> 00:25:49,359 Speaker 3: I mean, it's crystal clear he wants to increase his profile, 592 00:25:49,400 --> 00:25:51,080 Speaker 3: but as you said, Amy, I don't think it's going 593 00:25:51,119 --> 00:25:54,159 Speaker 3: to happen. Matsakowski barely got any new followers once he 594 00:25:54,200 --> 00:25:55,040 Speaker 3: started dating tagging. 595 00:25:55,080 --> 00:25:57,560 Speaker 2: If anything, people just liked him after dating her. 596 00:25:57,760 --> 00:25:58,000 Speaker 10: Yeah. 597 00:25:58,119 --> 00:26:00,480 Speaker 1: Did anyone else get the ultimate ick when they went 598 00:26:00,560 --> 00:26:04,360 Speaker 1: through Grayson's Instagram? Like I usually love following people's boyfriends, 599 00:26:04,440 --> 00:26:06,919 Speaker 1: particularly with the job that we have, because I'm like, oh, 600 00:26:07,000 --> 00:26:09,440 Speaker 1: maybe we'll see something interesting, But I actually didn't follow. 601 00:26:09,760 --> 00:26:10,600 Speaker 4: No, I couldn't bring. 602 00:26:10,480 --> 00:26:13,680 Speaker 1: Myself to follow him because his little photo shits. I 603 00:26:13,720 --> 00:26:15,159 Speaker 1: was like Oh, I just don't even want to look 604 00:26:15,200 --> 00:26:15,359 Speaker 1: at this. 605 00:26:15,920 --> 00:26:17,879 Speaker 3: It's clear that he's pissed off that he's not getting 606 00:26:17,880 --> 00:26:20,920 Speaker 3: any followers because Tammy didn't end up sharing any of 607 00:26:20,960 --> 00:26:23,520 Speaker 3: the photos of them from the premiere. She just posted 608 00:26:23,560 --> 00:26:27,560 Speaker 3: pictures of herself and he commented under them. Fire. The 609 00:26:27,760 --> 00:26:30,720 Speaker 3: night of the Wuthering Heights premiere was actually wild because 610 00:26:30,760 --> 00:26:34,480 Speaker 3: if the photos of Grayson squeezing Tammy Hembro's ass on 611 00:26:34,520 --> 00:26:38,560 Speaker 3: the red carpet weren't enough, panic stations reached all time 612 00:26:38,760 --> 00:26:42,200 Speaker 3: high when this clip of Tammy in Amy her sister's 613 00:26:42,240 --> 00:26:46,320 Speaker 3: TikTok resurface. So in a video posted three days earlier, 614 00:26:46,800 --> 00:26:48,119 Speaker 3: Tammy is heard saying this. 615 00:26:48,440 --> 00:26:52,600 Speaker 4: In the background, I might be pregnant. 616 00:26:54,160 --> 00:26:54,280 Speaker 9: Now. 617 00:26:54,320 --> 00:26:57,480 Speaker 3: When I heard this, I personally thought Tammy said I 618 00:26:57,640 --> 00:27:00,240 Speaker 3: think I may be pregnant, and that is what the 619 00:27:00,359 --> 00:27:03,440 Speaker 3: captions of the video said. So Amy, her sister left 620 00:27:03,560 --> 00:27:05,840 Speaker 3: the caption saying, I think I may be pregnant. You 621 00:27:05,920 --> 00:27:07,840 Speaker 3: can actually edit that. I mean, I don't know why 622 00:27:07,840 --> 00:27:09,040 Speaker 3: the whole clip wasn't edited. 623 00:27:08,840 --> 00:27:09,359 Speaker 4: Out to begin with. 624 00:27:09,560 --> 00:27:12,080 Speaker 1: I listened so many times and I could only hear 625 00:27:12,119 --> 00:27:14,000 Speaker 1: her say I think I may be pregnant as well. 626 00:27:14,440 --> 00:27:17,440 Speaker 1: There were a couple of comments on Amy's video saying, 627 00:27:17,480 --> 00:27:19,119 Speaker 1: oh my god, did Tammy just say that? So there 628 00:27:19,160 --> 00:27:21,360 Speaker 1: were other people who agreed with that sentiment as well. 629 00:27:21,760 --> 00:27:24,600 Speaker 1: We ended up sharing the clip on our Instagram and 630 00:27:24,720 --> 00:27:27,960 Speaker 1: Tammy actually commented underneath it, confirming that she was talking 631 00:27:28,040 --> 00:27:31,600 Speaker 1: about her sister Amy and confirming that she is not pregnant. 632 00:27:31,640 --> 00:27:34,800 Speaker 1: She said, I said Amy's pregnant low, then followed up 633 00:27:34,840 --> 00:27:35,720 Speaker 1: with which she's not. 634 00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:38,000 Speaker 3: I still don't get why the clip featured in the video, 635 00:27:38,080 --> 00:27:40,160 Speaker 3: even if she said she thought Amy was pregnant, surely 636 00:27:40,200 --> 00:27:41,520 Speaker 3: that would be something you'd cut out. 637 00:27:41,720 --> 00:27:44,160 Speaker 1: To me, it definitely seemed like it was purposely kept 638 00:27:44,200 --> 00:27:47,560 Speaker 1: in there for engagement and as some sort of distraction technique. 639 00:27:47,640 --> 00:27:51,159 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, this premiere just gave and gave. Because 640 00:27:51,280 --> 00:27:53,680 Speaker 3: then a clip of Tammy being interviewed on the Red 641 00:27:53,720 --> 00:27:58,000 Speaker 3: Carpet by pedestrian also went viral. So she was asked 642 00:27:58,040 --> 00:28:01,280 Speaker 3: about her ex husband about Sakowski's apearance on arm Seleb 643 00:28:01,840 --> 00:28:02,880 Speaker 3: and this is what she said. 644 00:28:04,240 --> 00:28:07,840 Speaker 9: I don't watch it, so I mean I've been said 645 00:28:08,840 --> 00:28:15,399 Speaker 9: and there I mean, I mean it has been a 646 00:28:15,480 --> 00:28:18,080 Speaker 9: bit of tears that scene, and. 647 00:28:19,760 --> 00:28:20,680 Speaker 4: I cry all the time. 648 00:28:20,800 --> 00:28:22,919 Speaker 9: So it's okay, like I don't know, I don't really. 649 00:28:22,760 --> 00:28:24,119 Speaker 4: Watch him though I don't watch any of that. 650 00:28:24,520 --> 00:28:25,560 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's fair enough. 651 00:28:27,240 --> 00:28:29,760 Speaker 1: For those who haven't seen the clip. Pedestrian zoomed up 652 00:28:29,800 --> 00:28:32,400 Speaker 1: on her face when she was giggling as well, which 653 00:28:32,560 --> 00:28:34,720 Speaker 1: really sort of emphasized that it looked like she was 654 00:28:34,760 --> 00:28:35,720 Speaker 1: poking fun at Matt. 655 00:28:35,760 --> 00:28:37,520 Speaker 3: We actually had a lot of people messaging us to 656 00:28:37,640 --> 00:28:40,440 Speaker 3: talk about Tammy's appearance in the video because there were 657 00:28:40,520 --> 00:28:42,720 Speaker 3: a lot of negative comments saying, oh, is this what 658 00:28:42,840 --> 00:28:45,600 Speaker 3: she looks like without filters on? We saw similar commentary 659 00:28:46,040 --> 00:28:49,600 Speaker 3: on the Tinder video. I do feel bad even touching 660 00:28:49,680 --> 00:28:53,000 Speaker 3: upon this because she's clearly a beautiful woman with or 661 00:28:53,080 --> 00:28:56,760 Speaker 3: without filters on. But it is really interesting when you 662 00:28:57,000 --> 00:29:00,320 Speaker 3: do see influencers appearing in content that they don't have 663 00:29:00,440 --> 00:29:04,640 Speaker 3: control over themselves. And you know, I actually love seeing 664 00:29:04,760 --> 00:29:08,160 Speaker 3: people's imperfections and the fact that they actually look human 665 00:29:08,280 --> 00:29:10,880 Speaker 3: rather than some blurred anime character look. 666 00:29:11,040 --> 00:29:13,120 Speaker 1: I actually think the lighting did a dirty I don't 667 00:29:13,120 --> 00:29:15,240 Speaker 1: think it was a true indication of what she actually 668 00:29:15,320 --> 00:29:18,880 Speaker 1: looks like, because I saw Margo Robbie also interviewed in 669 00:29:18,920 --> 00:29:21,640 Speaker 1: a similar spot, and I mean Margo Robbie is an 670 00:29:21,640 --> 00:29:25,520 Speaker 1: absolute goddess and even the lighting was a slightly unflattering 671 00:29:25,560 --> 00:29:27,200 Speaker 1: to her. I mean, I don't think it was the 672 00:29:27,280 --> 00:29:30,680 Speaker 1: same level as poor Tammy's lighting, but yeah, I think 673 00:29:30,800 --> 00:29:32,440 Speaker 1: lighting can definitely do a lot for you. 674 00:29:32,600 --> 00:29:32,760 Speaker 8: Yeah. 675 00:29:32,800 --> 00:29:35,680 Speaker 3: It was interesting because, as we mentioned, Tammy Hembro was 676 00:29:35,680 --> 00:29:39,480 Speaker 3: in Adelaide at Live Golf and my wedding photographer and 677 00:29:39,520 --> 00:29:43,000 Speaker 3: also the photographer who did our the mom's group photo shoot. 678 00:29:43,280 --> 00:29:46,400 Speaker 3: Shout out to Megan Cole, She's incredible. She was shooting 679 00:29:46,440 --> 00:29:48,440 Speaker 3: at the event and she took a couple of photos 680 00:29:48,480 --> 00:29:51,400 Speaker 3: of Tammy that Tammy ended up resharing and she looked 681 00:29:51,440 --> 00:29:54,800 Speaker 3: exactly like she does on her Instagram. So and they 682 00:29:54,960 --> 00:29:57,000 Speaker 3: obviously weren't edited to the max either. 683 00:29:57,120 --> 00:29:58,760 Speaker 1: Now I think we need to talk about what Tammy 684 00:29:58,800 --> 00:30:01,640 Speaker 1: said about Matt, because the backlash was very swift to 685 00:30:01,720 --> 00:30:05,240 Speaker 1: this video. People came out swinging in support of Matt 686 00:30:05,320 --> 00:30:07,120 Speaker 1: and criticized Tammy for mocking him. 687 00:30:07,480 --> 00:30:11,080 Speaker 3: It was interesting because the general consensus was that Tammy 688 00:30:11,120 --> 00:30:14,560 Speaker 3: should not have mocked her ex husband for being vulnerable 689 00:30:14,600 --> 00:30:18,120 Speaker 3: and showing his emotions on TV. However, fellow influencer Steph 690 00:30:18,160 --> 00:30:21,040 Speaker 3: Klais Smith came into bat for tammy So, she wrote, Well, 691 00:30:21,080 --> 00:30:23,280 Speaker 3: maybe she's giggling out of nerves, because who would like 692 00:30:23,360 --> 00:30:25,200 Speaker 3: to be asked about the ex like that on a 693 00:30:25,280 --> 00:30:28,239 Speaker 3: red carpet. It's uncomfortable. I'd probably giggle too. 694 00:30:28,640 --> 00:30:31,400 Speaker 1: Look, I understand that sentiment. I'm surprised that they got 695 00:30:31,440 --> 00:30:35,240 Speaker 1: away with asking that question. In saying that, though, I 696 00:30:35,440 --> 00:30:39,040 Speaker 1: think that Tammy has probably been so used to speaking 697 00:30:39,080 --> 00:30:41,520 Speaker 1: about Matt's appearance with her friends and they've all had 698 00:30:41,560 --> 00:30:43,480 Speaker 1: a bit of a laugh about you know, he's become 699 00:30:43,520 --> 00:30:45,760 Speaker 1: a bit of a viral meme for crying when he 700 00:30:45,880 --> 00:30:48,560 Speaker 1: was doing that Heights challenge that she was so used 701 00:30:48,600 --> 00:30:50,480 Speaker 1: to just getting a different response. I don't think she 702 00:30:50,560 --> 00:30:53,520 Speaker 1: realizes how good that show has been for Matt and 703 00:30:53,720 --> 00:30:56,440 Speaker 1: the sort of turnaround we've seen of his public persona. 704 00:30:56,800 --> 00:30:57,600 Speaker 4: People love him. 705 00:30:57,640 --> 00:31:00,800 Speaker 1: There were so many people saying this is so credibly unfair. 706 00:31:01,200 --> 00:31:03,000 Speaker 1: Matt seems like an absolute sweetheart. 707 00:31:03,120 --> 00:31:04,320 Speaker 2: How dare you mock him? 708 00:31:04,400 --> 00:31:06,560 Speaker 3: I was pretty proud of that, because the day after 709 00:31:06,640 --> 00:31:10,520 Speaker 3: the premiere, he posted a thinly veiled response to tammy So. 710 00:31:11,040 --> 00:31:13,960 Speaker 3: In a video posted to his Instagram story, he referenced 711 00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:16,160 Speaker 3: the very sad start that two and a half thousand 712 00:31:16,240 --> 00:31:20,280 Speaker 3: men every year in Australia commits suicide. He then said this. 713 00:31:21,840 --> 00:31:24,400 Speaker 8: Like, one of the big ones is that men who 714 00:31:24,480 --> 00:31:30,600 Speaker 8: show vulnerability and emotions are criticized and belittled and made 715 00:31:30,680 --> 00:31:33,000 Speaker 8: fun of it, and there is no safe environment to 716 00:31:33,120 --> 00:31:37,040 Speaker 8: do that. And I think that a man who cries 717 00:31:37,160 --> 00:31:41,640 Speaker 8: and shows emotions and vulnerability is it is a superpower 718 00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:45,240 Speaker 8: and it shouldn't be belittled or made fun of. It 719 00:31:45,280 --> 00:31:49,080 Speaker 8: should be lifted up and men should be encouraged to 720 00:31:49,200 --> 00:31:52,080 Speaker 8: do that. And I think if we are, there won't 721 00:31:52,160 --> 00:31:55,440 Speaker 8: be as many men wanting to commit suicide or feeling 722 00:31:55,520 --> 00:31:57,160 Speaker 8: like they should. There would be people around him and 723 00:31:57,160 --> 00:32:00,400 Speaker 8: they'd be happy to do that. So I feel like today, 724 00:32:00,480 --> 00:32:02,760 Speaker 8: in twenty twenty six, there is no place to make 725 00:32:02,800 --> 00:32:03,760 Speaker 8: fun of someone doing that. 726 00:32:05,240 --> 00:32:08,360 Speaker 1: Matt was incredibly articulate in this video. I was really 727 00:32:08,400 --> 00:32:10,640 Speaker 1: impressed with the way that he was able to convey 728 00:32:10,760 --> 00:32:13,360 Speaker 1: the message, and I think it impressed a lot of 729 00:32:13,600 --> 00:32:16,320 Speaker 1: other people as well. It's quite interesting because on Friday 730 00:32:16,440 --> 00:32:20,800 Speaker 1: night we shared Tammy's interview with Matt's response, and interestingly, 731 00:32:21,000 --> 00:32:24,480 Speaker 1: Tammy's ex fiance and the father of her youngest daughter, Posey, 732 00:32:25,280 --> 00:32:28,280 Speaker 1: liked our post and This prompted a listener to write, 733 00:32:28,320 --> 00:32:32,120 Speaker 1: Matt Paul liked this too, speaks volumes, to which Matt replied, 734 00:32:32,240 --> 00:32:35,280 Speaker 1: I'll clear that up. There's nothing funny about men's mental 735 00:32:35,400 --> 00:32:39,040 Speaker 1: health now. Another person replied, whenever there's an opportunity to 736 00:32:39,120 --> 00:32:41,880 Speaker 1: bash your daughter's mother, you never miss it, as if 737 00:32:41,920 --> 00:32:44,320 Speaker 1: you're waiting for it now. He ended up responding to 738 00:32:44,440 --> 00:32:47,280 Speaker 1: that as well, saying, so you're defending someone who mocks 739 00:32:47,280 --> 00:32:50,200 Speaker 1: a man for vulnerability and emotions. You think the men's 740 00:32:50,240 --> 00:32:53,400 Speaker 1: mental health is a joke? Speaks volumes for your character. 741 00:32:53,840 --> 00:32:55,720 Speaker 1: This just adds even more fuel to the fire that 742 00:32:55,840 --> 00:32:57,560 Speaker 1: things are bad between Matt and Tammy. 743 00:32:57,680 --> 00:32:58,400 Speaker 4: Oh definitely. 744 00:32:58,520 --> 00:33:00,600 Speaker 3: And I don't think at at least Matt p fiance 745 00:33:00,680 --> 00:33:04,000 Speaker 3: would have been too impressed either, because over the weekend 746 00:33:04,360 --> 00:33:08,080 Speaker 3: she was single parenting not only her own son, Parker, 747 00:33:08,200 --> 00:33:10,360 Speaker 3: who I think it's around six to eight months old, 748 00:33:10,680 --> 00:33:14,200 Speaker 3: but also her stepdaughter Posey Tammy Hembro's daughter, while Matt 749 00:33:14,480 --> 00:33:18,240 Speaker 3: was commentating at an event, so she had two kids 750 00:33:18,280 --> 00:33:21,320 Speaker 3: the whole weekend while Tammy was at livgolf. No shade 751 00:33:21,360 --> 00:33:24,080 Speaker 3: to Tammy, of course she can go to her influencer events, 752 00:33:24,200 --> 00:33:26,760 Speaker 3: but obviously when tensions are high, you're not going to 753 00:33:26,800 --> 00:33:30,480 Speaker 3: be that impressed that you're looking after two children while 754 00:33:30,520 --> 00:33:32,920 Speaker 3: the other parent is of having an amazing time. 755 00:33:33,120 --> 00:33:36,200 Speaker 1: I've recently started following Annalise and I really like her, 756 00:33:36,280 --> 00:33:38,520 Speaker 1: I think because our sons are a similar age, and 757 00:33:39,240 --> 00:33:41,960 Speaker 1: she is really posting the realities of what it's like 758 00:33:42,120 --> 00:33:44,080 Speaker 1: to have a young child. And she's recently got a 759 00:33:44,120 --> 00:33:47,160 Speaker 1: sleep consultant in because they've been absolutely struggling with his sleep. 760 00:33:47,280 --> 00:33:49,480 Speaker 2: And I just think, what an absolute. 761 00:33:49,120 --> 00:33:51,800 Speaker 1: Legend looking after her own son and also her stepdaughter 762 00:33:51,960 --> 00:33:54,320 Speaker 1: in such a beautiful way. But yeah, it does seem 763 00:33:54,640 --> 00:33:56,920 Speaker 1: it's sad that tensions seem to be high between the 764 00:33:56,960 --> 00:33:57,560 Speaker 1: two families. 765 00:33:57,680 --> 00:33:59,280 Speaker 4: Well that is whybe We're going to leave things today. 766 00:33:59,320 --> 00:34:01,000 Speaker 3: But if you want to hear more content from us, 767 00:34:01,400 --> 00:34:04,680 Speaker 3: we drop a bonus episode of Outspoken every week on 768 00:34:04,800 --> 00:34:08,160 Speaker 3: a Thursday. It's called Outspoken Plus. 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