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Speaker 1: And it is Friday morning.

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Speaker 2: It is time for the week that was also broadcasting

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Speaker 2: on eighth and Alice Springs and in the studio with

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Speaker 2: us this morning. We've got the opposition leader Leafanocchi Aarro.

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Speaker 3: Good morning, have you Friday. Wonderful to be here.

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Speaker 2: And good to see you. We've got Matt Cunningham from

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Speaker 2: Sky News.

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Speaker 1: Good morning, Matt, Good morning. We've got Robin Lamley, the.

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Speaker 2: Independent member for Ara lun here from Alice Springs.

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Speaker 4: Good morning, Good morning Katie.

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Speaker 2: And we've got Natasha Philes, the Health Minister and also

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Speaker 2: the Minister for Tourism.

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Speaker 1: Good morning, morning, will Fee. And what a week. It's been.

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Speaker 2: Always a busy week, but never any shortage of things

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Speaker 2: to talk about. And we kick the week off with

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Speaker 2: plans for home quarantine. We now know that it's going

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Speaker 2: to be introduced for fully vaccinated domestic travelers arriving in

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Speaker 2: the territory well from November twenty three. The trial though

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Speaker 2: is underway at the moment, I believe well around one

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Speaker 2: hundred people is what had been said that would be

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Speaker 2: part of that trial that's underway right now. So it

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Speaker 2: does mean that there's going to be a very extensive

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Speaker 2: testing regime a test before you were in the territory

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Speaker 2: to make sure that you don't have COVID, but then

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Speaker 2: a further six once you do arrive, and then we've

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Speaker 2: got a bit of a better idea. I guess sh'd

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Speaker 2: say as to exactly how that opening's kind of going

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Speaker 2: that at a press conference would be the date that

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Speaker 2: realistically we'd see home quarantine for everybody, no matter where

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Speaker 2: a little bit better, a little bit faster and in

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Speaker 2: line with other states. So there's been plenty of discussion

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Speaker 2: about it throughout the week. What was your take, Leah.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, Look, I mean it's good that there's some certainty around,

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Speaker 5: they're not sure how the testing regime is going to work.

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Speaker 5: But ultimately, you know, at least it's something I think

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Speaker 5: a lot of people we disappointed it doesn't provide them

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Speaker 5: the certainty they need prior to Christmas. But it is

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Speaker 5: what it is, and you know, the more information really

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Speaker 5: the government can give on these things the better because

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Speaker 5: there's a lot of you know, rules around COVID at

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Speaker 5: the moment that people really struggling to get their head around.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, there is, I mean, there is sort of a

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Speaker 2: It did seem as though there was a little bit

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Speaker 2: lot of people really wondering whether they are going to

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Speaker 2: be able to travel away at Christmas time or what

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Speaker 2: exactly is going to happen.

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Speaker 4: People like to plan, Katie and I heard Alex Bruce

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Speaker 4: make a really good comment a few days ago saying

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Speaker 4: They make their best plans when they are on holidays.

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Speaker 4: So we're all going to be heading into holiday season

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Speaker 4: come late December during January. If we're not opened up,

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Speaker 4: people aren't necessarily going to be on holidays, and interstate

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Speaker 2: Well, and you know that became very clear. I think

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Speaker 2: We know that customers who'd already booked their flights received

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Speaker 2: no doubt that it is going to sort of, I

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Speaker 2: I guess the argument is that the government said that

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Speaker 1: Of try and iron out any issues. So, Katie, the

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Speaker 1: first step is this four week pilot program. And so

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Speaker 1: and other people as they come home will enter this program.

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Speaker 1: So it allows us to check our systems. I think

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Speaker 1: one of the you know, the testing is the key

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Speaker 2: There's been some real questions from our listeners in the

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Speaker 2: earlier in the week about them needing to have that

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so the G two G system needs the four G,

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Speaker 1: but this trial will let us see if the Wi

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Speaker 6: I think there's a bigger issue if you're in the

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Speaker 6: to home quarantine is that your vax rate has to

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Speaker 6: be eighty percent. Now, last time I looked at lichfield

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Speaker 6: I would say and that is an area where they've

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Speaker 6: I would say that the way it's going, unless there's

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Speaker 6: a dramatic change in people's opinions towards the vaccine, no

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Speaker 6: one in the lichfield Shire and even Palmeston's going to

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Speaker 6: be questionable, But no one in the lichfield Shire is

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Speaker 2: Natasha, are you able to give us a bit of

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Speaker 2: an update on some of those vax numbers.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, So we expect the city of Darwin to become

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Speaker 1: a high vaccination zone later this month. It's currently at

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Speaker 1: ninety one percent first dose and seventy eight percent second dose.

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Speaker 1: Alice Springs is not far behind that eighty nine percent

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Speaker 1: first dose and seventy seven percent second dose, But the

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Speaker 1: point that Matt raises is valid. Palmerston is sitting at

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Speaker 1: about seventy six percent first dose. These statistics might be

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Speaker 1: a couple of days old, but certainly below that eighty

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Speaker 6: And what about Field because I know a lot of

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Speaker 6: for literally you guys are saying we're going on the

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Speaker 1: So we've been working through that with our health officials.

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Speaker 1: How can we have accurate data to have that confidence

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Speaker 1: that we have eighty percent vaccination in those areas? That

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Speaker 6: So do you know what the Lichfield rate is at

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Speaker 1: I don't have that in front of me.

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Speaker 2: Sorry, Well, and it does seem as though there's a

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Speaker 2: the EA and the federal government. Well, the Federal Health

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Speaker 2: actually have the data for those different communities.

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Speaker 1: We don't have the community by community data for the

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Speaker 1: so that the air data is the vaccinations are uploaded

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Speaker 1: but we don't have them community by community, which doesn't

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Speaker 2: So why in that Senate hearing on Community Affairs on

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Speaker 6: I think I can answer that question because when I've

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Speaker 6: providing the data. But it's the regional data. It's not

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Speaker 6: broken down community community. Okay, what he's saying there is

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Speaker 6: And I think it's they're being a little bit clever,

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Speaker 2: I've got a question here from Kiesi Epiric, and it says,

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Speaker 2: how do people home quarantine if they live outside of

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Speaker 1: So Katie, I'll go back and ask that specific question,

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Speaker 1: but we need to see that eighty percent vaccination rate

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Speaker 1: So the community by community strategy is working and I'll

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Speaker 5: But you know that work should have been done starting

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Speaker 5: from has been done for months.

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Speaker 1: It's been to sit there and done. It's a failure.

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Speaker 5: I just think the numbers speak for themselves. I mean,

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Speaker 5: we've got vaccination rates in some communities you know, still

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Speaker 1: Got vaccination rates in other communities that are over ninety percent.

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Speaker 1: Hard grinding work, and you haven't offered one positive idea.

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Speaker 1: All you do is sit on the fence and snipe

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Speaker 3: Okay, well none of those things are true.

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Speaker 5: I've been told about vaccination rates, low vaccination rates in

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Speaker 1: She've been wishy washy about the vaccination making it mandatory.

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Speaker 1: And it's easy to sit and be critized.

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Speaker 3: It's really hard true.

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Speaker 2: You know, what we are sure of is that in

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Speaker 2: in some areas they are incredibly low. And you know,

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Speaker 2: we can sit here and sort of argue about the

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Speaker 2: reasons why, or we can.

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Speaker 1: You can get out there and do the hard work kaiting.

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Speaker 2: But the thing is, you know, we're now like we're

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Speaker 2: at the point where the reality is the rest of

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Speaker 2: the territory wants you know, like a lot of people

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Speaker 2: about tourism, they're really worried about business, they're really worried about,

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Speaker 2: you know, not being able to see their families. And

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Speaker 2: so what at what point do we go, Okay, well,

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Speaker 2: some areas do not want to get this vaccine. They've

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Speaker 2: Whether you're talking about you know wherever I and I

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Speaker 2: I mean any location around the territory. At what point

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Speaker 1: And matt Ras is a good point, Katie. Every territory

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, Katie, been scenario planning right from when we first

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Speaker 1: Okay, Well, anyway to the point, Katie, we have done

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Speaker 1: And so the message is really clear. The vaccine is safe,

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Speaker 2: Look, I totally understand what you're saying, and I think

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Speaker 2: But at the end of the day, you know, we

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Speaker 2: but have we done additional work in terms of bolstering

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Speaker 5: Yes we have well, I mean we've had four Code

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Speaker 1: There has been more. The question has just shifted. Lee

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Speaker 1: we didn't have a vaccine. Then over time the vaccines

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Speaker 2: That we're able to activate if required in our emergency

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Speaker 1: I guess she'd say, oh, Katie, there would be a

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Speaker 1: we see those numbers potentially rise. We haven't ruled out

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Speaker 4: Options modeling Natsha, how many Territorians will get COVID once

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Speaker 1: In terms of COVID, the more people that have vaccinated.

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Speaker 1: So we've been looking at We particularly looked at New

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Speaker 1: People will get COVID, but they're not a burden on

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Speaker 1: So if people are vaccinated, they will get COVID, they'll

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Speaker 4: Have agains of whether they hit hospital. They will be

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Speaker 1: I'm still around health if people are.

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Speaker 4: You've done. But the information about that modeling, which I

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Speaker 4: We're not getting it. And I think this is where

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Speaker 4: you're going very wrong, Natasha. You're not being completely open

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Speaker 5: It would actually encourage it would actually encourage people to

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Speaker 3: It might be a reality check.

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Speaker 2: I'm assuming that if you know, like according to us

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Speaker 1: Then So, Katie, we need people to be vaccinated. And

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Speaker 4: To some extent, they will, because even people who are

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Speaker 1: You don't give me an opportunity to answer the question.

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Speaker 1: That's why we've got an emergency operations center set up

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Speaker 1: But it will be a huge burden on our health

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Speaker 2: But you're confident that the health system that there's been

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Speaker 2: able to see a field hospital set up by the

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Speaker 2: likes of os matt Iff required potentially Katie.

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Speaker 1: So when we first had the virus, we would we

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Speaker 1: thought that we would take people out of communities. Since then,

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Speaker 1: we've learned, particularly seeing it in remote communities or remote

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Speaker 1: townships in western New South Wales, that we need to

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Speaker 1: leave people there. But those resources that need to go

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Speaker 1: into them are intense, and so we're preparing to provide that.

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Speaker 2: All right, We're going to take a very short break.

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Speaker 2: You are listening to Mix one oh four point nine

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Speaker 2: is three sixty. It is the week that was also

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Speaker 2: broadcasting on AH in Alice Springs. You are listening to

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Speaker 2: Mix one oh four point nine. It is the week

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Speaker 2: that was also broadcasting on AH. We've got Leofanocchiaro, Matt Cunningham,

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Speaker 2: Robin Lamley and Natasha Files in the studio.

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Speaker 1: Now, Matt, you have a story today on the.

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Speaker 2: Front page of the Northern terrat Trey News about the

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Speaker 2: situation at dawn Dale. One assault every two days on

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Speaker 2: the guards.

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Speaker 6: Look, it's pretty serious situation, Katie, and I think it's

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Speaker 6: fair to say that those Youth Justice officers are very

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Speaker 6: concerned about how safe or unsafe their workplaces, and I

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Speaker 6: would suggest that this is something of a cry for help.

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Speaker 6: I mean, I have seen an email that was sent

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Speaker 6: by Youth Justice officer to management where he is basically

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Speaker 6: saying that they fear that someone will be killed. Now,

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Speaker 6: I've only seen the data for the past two months,

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Speaker 6: but in the past two months, twenty nine assaults on

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Speaker 6: staff in two months, so that's almost one every two days,

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Speaker 6: and a lot of them are quite serious, Katie. I

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Speaker 6: mean we're talking about twenty of those being in the

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Speaker 6: category one, which is the most serious category. Eleven of

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Speaker 6: those that actually resulted in a physical injury to a

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Speaker 6: staff member. So you know, I know that the department

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Speaker 6: and the Minister are aware of this, and they say

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Speaker 6: they're doing things to address the situation. But I think

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Speaker 6: things are not good at Dondale, at the Marment.

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Speaker 3: It's you know, sorry, it's not been good for a

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Speaker 3: long time.

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Speaker 5: Of course, when this government came in and watered down

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Speaker 5: youth justice laws and Bower laws and rich use justice

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Speaker 5: out of corrections and put in territory families, they also

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Speaker 5: warded down the powers of corrections offices. Now, the big

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Speaker 5: important point is that these the people working in our

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Speaker 5: youth detention facilities are not corrections officers, their use justice officers.

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Speaker 5: So their training is completely different and the powers government

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Speaker 5: have given them are also completely different. And that's part

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Speaker 5: of the reason why we say youth justice needs to

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Speaker 5: go back to corrections, because these poor use justice officers,

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Speaker 5: and when you speak to some of them, they are

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Speaker 5: literally some are terrified.

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Speaker 3: To go to work every day, Katie.

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Speaker 5: I mean they've been given human shields, full length shields, helmets,

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Speaker 5: protective right suits, punctured proof vests. I mean, it's out

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Speaker 5: of control in there because the kids believe they're untouchable

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Speaker 5: and the use justice officers haven't been given the right

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Speaker 5: powers to be able to deal with them. It's not

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Speaker 5: a sustainable situation.

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Speaker 4: I looked at this story Katie in the early hours

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Speaker 4: of the morning, and I thought, nothing's changed. And I

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Speaker 4: don't mean to minimize the experience of these workers, but

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Speaker 4: this is an ongoing story. I mean, there was an

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Speaker 4: There's been incidents at the Alice Springs Juvenile Detention Center

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Speaker 4: over the years described in similar ways as what Matt

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Speaker 4: has put his story. So it hasn't been fixed. It's

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Speaker 4: an ongoing problem.

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Speaker 2: Well, and I think at the end of the day,

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Speaker 2: you know, it is part of a broader discussion, and

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Speaker 2: we had a discussion earlier in the week with two

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Speaker 2: of our Assistant commissioners for the Darwin Region and also

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Speaker 2: for Rural and Remote Policing and spoke about some of

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Speaker 2: those numbers when it comes to youth crime. You know,

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Speaker 2: Assistant Commissioner Craig Ladler had told us about a scenario

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Speaker 2: where there was four nine year olds who'd been out

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Speaker 2: on the street and he said, you know, you're talking

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Speaker 2: about four nine year olds who'd broken into a home

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Speaker 2: and there was no parent looking for them. You know, like,

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Speaker 2: to me, that is unbelievable. I've got kids that are

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Speaker 2: around that age and I just can't believe that a

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Speaker 2: child would be out on the street at that time

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Speaker 2: of the night. Well, I can believe it, but it's mortifying.

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Speaker 2: So that was in Ala Springs. We also then, you know,

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Speaker 2: we know that over the course of last weekend there

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Speaker 2: were seven youths who were arrested in the end, but

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Speaker 2: he told us, you know of some of these youths

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Speaker 2: that have got criminal history of two hundred and forty,

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Speaker 2: two hundred and eighteen, one hundred and ninety eight charges

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Speaker 2: against their age. They're seventeen, they're sixteen, they're fifteen years old.

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Speaker 2: You know, they're massive rap sheets, and you've just got

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Speaker 2: a question, how on earth does it get to a

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Speaker 2: situation where firstly you've got a nine year old who's

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Speaker 2: on the street like that or four of them in fact,

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Speaker 2: But then you know they're going through the system, and

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Speaker 2: as much as everybody's saying the right things and we're

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Speaker 2: you know, hoping that they're being diverted and that they're

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Speaker 2: going through a program.

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Speaker 1: Clearly something is not working.

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Speaker 2: When you've then got a child, a teenager, you know whatever,

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Speaker 2: whether they're fifteen, sixteen, or seventeen, who's got a criminal history,

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Speaker 2: you know, with two hundred and forty charges against them.

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Speaker 3: Well, there's two May problems here.

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Speaker 5: One of them is obviously what is going on in

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Speaker 5: the care and protection of children like that. That's a

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Speaker 5: huge part of it. If you've got nine year olds

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Speaker 5: out on the street, where is territory families? If you've

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Speaker 5: got kids who've got rap sheets of over two hundred offences,

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Speaker 5: where is territory families? The next part of that is,

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Speaker 5: then how do we have fifteen, sixteen, seventeen year olds

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Speaker 5: still allowed to be out on the street to break

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Speaker 5: in and cause more destruction in people's lives when they

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Speaker 5: do have rap sheets of two hundred and fifty.

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Speaker 3: So you know, it's a two pronged approach here.

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Speaker 5: One is right from the start, this is a care

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Speaker 5: and protection issue, and then the second one is, at

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Speaker 5: some point you have to stop these repeat offenders from

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Speaker 5: perpetrating more crimes and creating more victims. People don't deserve

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Speaker 5: to be violated. And you know, every child deserves a

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Speaker 5: good life. We all want these kids to have a

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Speaker 5: great life, but you know they can't be allowed equally

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Speaker 5: to go and destroy other people's lives.

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Speaker 2: Well, and you know then we had Assistant Commissioner of

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Speaker 2: Greater Dawa, Martin Dole, so that sometimes custody is actually

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Speaker 2: the same place for some of these youths.

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Speaker 1: That in itself is unbelievable as well.

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Speaker 2: You know, I said that remand is not the place

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Speaker 2: for these kids, but it becomes an option of last

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Speaker 2: resort if they're still committing these types of offenses.

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Speaker 1: Where else is there and who else takes action?

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Speaker 2: If it's not the police on the street responding to

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Speaker 2: these matters and taking these children to a safe place,

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Speaker 2: it'd said on the show, But then there has to

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Speaker 2: be other options, like where are these supports.

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Speaker 4: That we've been talking about this stuff for years? What's

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Speaker 4: changed over the last five years? Not much? And at

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Speaker 4: this point in any discussion around children being on the

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Speaker 4: street at night, particularly and Alice Springs, my only answer

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Speaker 4: is bring in a kind curfew. Get these kids, as

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Speaker 4: Leah said, take a child protection approach, get them off

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Speaker 4: the street, give them a bed, give them a feed,

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Speaker 4: and find out what the hell's going on.

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Speaker 3: You know, the follow up just isn't happening.

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Speaker 5: You know, if we've got kids, you know in Alice Springs,

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Speaker 5: you've got the bus, you've got all these different services,

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Speaker 5: So what happens in them? You know, things obviously happened

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Speaker 5: during the night, we're picking up kids, trying to take

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Speaker 5: them home, et cetera. Where's the follow up the next

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Speaker 5: day with the parents with the custom you know, whoever's

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Speaker 5: looking at are meant to be looking after that child,

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Speaker 5: And what's happening in that space, Like how can a

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Speaker 5: child be allowed to be out on the street repeatedly,

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Speaker 5: be allowed to rack up two hundred and forty offences?

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Speaker 5: And you know that fifteen year old with the two

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Speaker 5: hundred and forty offences was ten years old when when

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Speaker 5: labor came to power, and you know, you want to

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Speaker 5: talk about generational change, Well, five years of that child's

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Speaker 5: life are gone in the blink of a night. And

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Speaker 5: how many victims has that one child caused?

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Speaker 6: And I would make a point CODEO that I think

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Speaker 6: I've made sort of until I'm blue in the face.

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Speaker 6: But you know, having sat through pretty much every day

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Speaker 6: of the Royal Commission into the Protection and Detention of Children,

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Speaker 6: that Royal Commission spent ninety five percent of its time

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Speaker 6: on the detention of children. And that's what those poor

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Speaker 6: youth justice officers are dealing with the namily and it

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Speaker 6: tacked on the protection of children as a sort of

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Speaker 6: last minute after thought, and what we're dealing with in

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Speaker 6: our youth detention system is a failure in our ability

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Speaker 6: to protect those children. And that's what you see play

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Speaker 6: on the streets of Alice Springs and Darwin and all

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Speaker 6: over everywhere else.

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Speaker 1: And it's incredibly complex, Katie. We acknowledge that the correlation

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Speaker 1: between child protection and youth justice and the examples that

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Speaker 1: have just been talked about highlight that it is a

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Speaker 1: different system. The Minister in that space has been doing

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Speaker 1: an enormous body of work. We have a fundamental difference

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Speaker 1: around the in terms of the facility. We believe it

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Speaker 1: should sit with territory families. We've put in place measures.

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Speaker 1: It's very concerning to hear the points that Matt has

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Speaker 1: raised in that article around the safety. Everyone has the

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Speaker 1: right to go to work and be safe at work.

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Speaker 1: We are building that purpose built facility, but I know

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Speaker 1: the minister.

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Speaker 2: Where's the tender at with that and where's it at

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Speaker 2: in terms of being constructed.

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Speaker 1: I think it's well under construction.

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Speaker 3: I would have to refer to ministers sixteen election prom I.

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Speaker 6: Did ask the Minister yesterday when I interviewed her, and

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Speaker 6: she said they expect it to be completed by the

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Speaker 6: end of next year. But it has thirty beds fourteen

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Speaker 6: months away.

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Speaker 3: And how much is it costing. It's fifty or seventy

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Speaker 3: million for thirty beds million dollars, it's going to be

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Speaker 3: pretty plush.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, right, just sitting there laughing just shows her.

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Speaker 5: Completely complish, shows how outrageous your government is on youth justice.

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Speaker 5: I mean, fifty or seventy million whatever it is for

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Speaker 5: thirty beds in an election commitment you made in twenty sixteen,

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Speaker 5: just highlight it's the extent of your incompetence and there's

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Speaker 5: no will to tackle this issue and put territory ins

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Speaker 5: first and put the rights of victims above the rights offenders.

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Speaker 1: It does seem to me.

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Speaker 2: And I know we always talk about other programs and

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Speaker 2: that kind of thing, and I know that the government

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Speaker 2: has certainly said that is what they're wanting to focus on,

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Speaker 2: you know, like wanting to have these other rehabilitation programs.

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Speaker 2: Do we actually have enough of those operating at the moment,

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Speaker 2: and what is the success rate you know when we

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Speaker 2: talk about kids going through them. I know you're not

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Speaker 2: the minister, Natasha, so you probably don't have all of

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Speaker 2: that detail. But I do wonder with some of these

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Speaker 2: different programs that we're talking about, are they successful, how

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Speaker 2: many kids are we sending through them? What is the

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Speaker 2: repeat you know, what is the rate of reoffending once

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Speaker 2: they're out or do they end up on the straight

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Speaker 2: and narrow. And if we've got some of those programs

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Speaker 2: that do actually work well, why aren't we trying to

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Speaker 2: get every kid going through them?

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, and there isn't enough. There's a lot of talk.

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Speaker 5: I can't one hundred percent remember it, but the police

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Speaker 5: and your report just came out and it talked about

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Speaker 5: victim offender conferencing and there's a follow up at six

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Speaker 5: months to see how many kids are not offending within

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Speaker 5: that six month period, and I.

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Speaker 3: Just can't remember the percentage.

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Speaker 5: But then there's a follow up at twelve months, and

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Speaker 5: I think at six months there was about one hundred

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Speaker 5: and forty kids who got followed up, but at twelve

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Speaker 5: months only twenty nine got followed up. So the police

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Speaker 5: ministers using the statistic that seventy she often says, seventy

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Speaker 5: nine percent of offenders who go through victim offender conferencing

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Speaker 5: don't go on to reoffend. I just need people to

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Speaker 5: know that's seventy nine percent of twenty nine people.

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Speaker 3: You know, it's not.

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Speaker 5: The full cohort of youths who are going through victim

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Speaker 5: offender conferencing. So we've got some figures from the government

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Speaker 5: that sure might be factually correct, but they're painted to

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Speaker 5: territories in a way that's very misleading.

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Speaker 4: The Minister for Territory Families was asked about youth camps

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Speaker 4: in budget estimates in June and I heard her say

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Speaker 4: that there were options being considered and followed up, But

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Speaker 4: in actual reality, I think they still send most kids

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Speaker 4: down south to the Flinders Youth Camp down there, and

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Speaker 4: there are still very few facilities in the Northern Territory

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Speaker 4: to provide that sort of boot camp youth camphabilitation.

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Speaker 2: Look impression, I did get the impression from Alice Springs

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Speaker 2: that there is actually a real will from some of you,

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Speaker 2: from some of the elders that do actually really want

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Speaker 2: to try and help get these kids on the right track,

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Speaker 2: don't you know.

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Speaker 1: I certainly don't have the artists school to run.

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Speaker 4: I think most of us can reflect on you the

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Speaker 4: examples in the territory of youth camps that have failed

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Speaker 4: there's been problems throughout the years, so it's not an

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Speaker 4: easy gig. But we've heard a lot of talk and

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Speaker 4: no action in this space.

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Speaker 5: I think, okay, well you've got that done quickly if

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Speaker 5: I can, just everyone knows. So the six months follow up,

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Speaker 5: one hundred and forty three kids didn't were asked and

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Speaker 5: seventy four percent of those didn't reoffend. At the twelve

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Speaker 5: month follow up, only twenty nine kids were followed up

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Speaker 5: and sixty nine percent didn't go on to reoffend. So

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Speaker 5: again you've got to question why such a tiny percentage

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Speaker 5: of those kids were followed up at the twelve months mark,

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Speaker 5: and for the government to use that as some sort

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Speaker 5: of figure to show it's working just doesn't hit the mark.

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Speaker 1: Well, we are going to take a very short break.

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Speaker 2: You are listening to mix Onellow four point nine is

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Speaker 2: three sixty It is the week that was. You are

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Speaker 2: listening to mix Mollow four point nine. It is sixteen

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Speaker 2: minutes away from ten o'clock. Now throughout the week, as

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Speaker 2: we know, Parliament sat, like I always say on.

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Speaker 1: This show, I listened to it. So you don't have

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Speaker 1: to our listeners and.

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Speaker 2: You don't have torture because, let's be honest, there was

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Speaker 2: a lot of carry.

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Speaker 1: On to be honest with you.

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Speaker 6: Interesting.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, can you give me time.

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Speaker 1: That's because you're missing an action. You know.

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Speaker 2: There was some Yeah, there was some interesting things happened.

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Speaker 2: But can I just confirm did Steve Edgington, the Member

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Speaker 2: for Berkley, end up getting referred to parliamentary privileges over

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Speaker 2: Facebook posts?

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Speaker 1: It did happen in the end, didn't.

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Speaker 5: So the government it did. It was extraordinary. The Privileges

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Speaker 5: Committee is the disciplinary committee for lack of a better word,

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Speaker 5: of the Parliament. It is reserved for, you know, grievous

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Speaker 5: breaches of contempt of parliament and things like that. And

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Speaker 5: the vindictive Labor government made an outrageous political stunt in

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Speaker 5: which they referred the Member for Berkley to privileges for

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Speaker 5: an interjection during debate.

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Speaker 4: Three word interjection at that.

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Speaker 3: I think it was actually a two words what you say?

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Speaker 1: Are you allowed to say? What he said?

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Speaker 3: I think the words were they did.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, something like that. Clicking in mind that the Member

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Speaker 4: for Blaine was referred to privileges for being a party

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Speaker 4: to the alleged so called cocaine sex scandal.

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Speaker 2: Well, and following on that speech that he'd been delivering

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Speaker 2: in parliament. So can I just ask, I mean, what

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Speaker 2: kind of precedent does it sit there when somebody is

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Speaker 2: thin referred to two privileges over Facebook posts.

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Speaker 3: Now it was an interjection, so it was.

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Speaker 1: Over the interjection.

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Speaker 6: Why was he referred to privileges? Yea, Natasha, what was

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Speaker 6: he referred to privileges?

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Speaker 1: So Steve Edgington was referred to Privileges Committee for misleading parliament, Katie,

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Speaker 1: and that's now matter before privileges.

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Speaker 6: So what did he say that misled the parliament.

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Speaker 1: I'm not going to go into the detail. I'm the

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Speaker 1: chair of the Privileges Committee. It's a matter before that

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Speaker 1: committee now, so it would be inappropriate for me to

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Speaker 1: comment further.

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Speaker 6: But he said three words, Yes.

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Speaker 1: He was referred for misleading the parliament.

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Speaker 6: Well, I could give you a thousand examples of when

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Speaker 6: politicians on both sides mislead the parliament. I mean seriously,

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Speaker 6: I mean you said this week I saw on the

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Speaker 6: channel Line that the rivers of greg started flowing after

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Speaker 6: the SEALP scraped the BDR. That is misleading parliament. The

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Speaker 6: rivers of greg are flowing more strongly. Now than they've

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Speaker 6: ever flowed before. Wouldn't that be something for which you

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Speaker 6: could be then referred to privileges?

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Speaker 2: Well, I don't know if the Sealp's got the numbers there, Matt,

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Speaker 2: don't problem, that's the problem.

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Speaker 4: It's a political stunt. I must admit. I was appalled,

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Speaker 4: absolutely appalled by what happened in Parliament around this referral

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Speaker 4: to privileges. I've never seen anything like it. As Matt said,

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Speaker 4: I could write a book about all the bloody ridiculous

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Speaker 4: things that I've so called I've been claimed to have

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Speaker 4: said and done over the last ten or eleven years.

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Speaker 4: This was pitiful. It was instigated by Chancey Paig, the

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Speaker 4: Minister for Housing and other things Central Australia Economic Reconstruction.

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Speaker 4: He was being very precious and it was a political

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Speaker 4: stunt to put Steve Edgington in his box to effectively

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Speaker 4: gag him.

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Speaker 2: I mean, is this like does it set a precedent

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Speaker 2: though in terms of saying something in Parliament using for

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Speaker 2: your words there are three words in Parliament to then

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Speaker 2: ending up getting referred to privileges. Like I thought, privileges

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Speaker 2: was something that was considered to be incredibly seriously.

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Speaker 6: Of misleading the Parliament. I mean the k the former

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Speaker 6: IKA Commissioner was referred to privileges because there were allegations

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Speaker 6: that he had misled the Budget Essence Committee. You know,

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Speaker 6: not because he'd made some flippant remark to.

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Speaker 1: Some of our listeners this morning.

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Speaker 2: They might be thinking, I don't even know what parliamentary

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Speaker 2: privileges is.

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Speaker 1: How does this impact my life?

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Speaker 2: But I guess the thing is, you know you're talking

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Speaker 2: about something happening in parliament that then he's going to

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Speaker 2: take up those resources. It is going to mean that

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Speaker 2: we're going through a situation where Steve Edgington presumably has

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Speaker 2: to front up and explain himself to the Privileges Committee

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Speaker 2: over what a lot of us kind of can't understand

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Speaker 2: why he's going through that process or.

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Speaker 1: If it's actually serious.

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Speaker 4: Keep in mind, Katie, that the government has the numbers

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Speaker 4: in the on the Privileges Committee. We've got Natasha Files

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Speaker 4: the chair of the Privileges Committee. Whatever the decision of

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Speaker 4: the Privileges Committee will be in favor of the government

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Speaker 4: they control and operate. It happened to him Steve could

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Speaker 4: get into a whole world in trouble.

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Speaker 5: I'm pretty sure Privileges can even I mean it's extreme,

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Speaker 5: but I'm pretty sure they can even do six months

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Speaker 5: in prison.

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Speaker 6: What well the chair of the Privileges Committee is and

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Speaker 6: the Privileges Committee send someone to jail for six months.

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Speaker 1: So it's difficult because there's a number of matters before

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Speaker 1: the Privileges Committee right now. But the Privileges Committee does

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Speaker 1: have the ability to impose those types of sanctions.

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Speaker 6: So why has he been referred to Privileges for what

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Speaker 6: appears to just be a run of the mill comment

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Speaker 6: in power?

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Speaker 1: I can't comment, but he misled the parliament is why

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Speaker 1: he's been.

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Speaker 6: He allegedly misled the Parliament. He misled. Did the Privileges

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Speaker 6: chair just say.

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Speaker 1: That he did? Is why he was referred to that committee.

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Speaker 6: You've got to admit that is absolutely absurd and over

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Speaker 6: the top, is it not.

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Speaker 1: I can't comment, but he's been referred and so to

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Speaker 1: only out which the Privileges Committee. It certainly seems that.

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Speaker 4: I hope, Natasha, you've got the sense as the chair

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Speaker 4: of this committee to throw the matter out on that night.

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Speaker 1: We might take it.

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Speaker 2: It's called integral, we might take a very short break.

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Speaker 2: You are listening to Mix one, Oh, four point nine

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Speaker 2: three sixty. Well, we've only got a few minutes left.

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Speaker 2: You are listening to the week that was in the

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Speaker 2: studio Leafanocciaro, Matt Cunningham, Robin Lamley and Natasha Files. And

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Speaker 2: like I said earlier, it's been a busy, busy week.

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Speaker 2: And the Deputy Chief Minister, Nicole Madison actually revealed throughout

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Speaker 2: the week that the Northern Territory government, well we've still

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Speaker 2: got an eye watering deficit of more than one billion

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Speaker 2: dollars last financial year. But in that speech in Tuesday night,

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Speaker 2: apparently it's not as bad as we thought.

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Speaker 1: Day said that.

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Speaker 2: Minister Madison said that the one point one to three

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Speaker 2: billion dollar shortfall in the twenty twenty one twenty twenty

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Speaker 2: twenty twenty one financial year was actually one point three

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Speaker 2: billion dollars less than the gloomy forecast mood during the pandemic.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, well it's still horrific, right Katie. And what we

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Speaker 5: so we've got an eight hundred and thirty three million

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Speaker 5: dollar deficit, which means the Gunner government putting eight hundred

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Speaker 5: and thirty three million dollars on the credit card, more

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Speaker 5: than what the territory can bring in.

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Speaker 3: No household or business can sustain that.

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Speaker 5: But they all gave each other a big cuddle and

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Speaker 5: high five for doing such a great job with a

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Speaker 5: six point.

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Speaker 3: Seven billion dollars.

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Speaker 5: The reality is, the reality is it was shifting. It

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Speaker 5: was shifting maneuvers. About four hundred million dollars of that

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Speaker 5: was just in projects that got moved out of the

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Speaker 5: out of the reporting period, so they've been kicked down

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Speaker 5: the road, which means which means construction jobs have been

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Speaker 5: pushed aside. About sixty four million dollars is in increased GST.

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Speaker 5: So thank you very much federal government for that. There

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Speaker 5: was zero This is a clincher, Matt. There was zero

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Speaker 5: dollars saved in policy refores. So in actual nothing the

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Speaker 5: government actually intended to do delivered any savings. And I

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Speaker 5: think that's the hallmark. And in actual fact that was

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Speaker 5: negative thirty five million dollars because the Gunner government are

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Speaker 5: giving thirty five million dollars to use criminals instead of

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Speaker 5: putting victims first.

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Speaker 6: Well, a handy increase in GST, but I'm just wondering

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Speaker 6: whether the Deputy Chief Minister and former Treasurer needs to

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Speaker 6: be referred to privileges for her previous comments to the

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Speaker 6: Parliament that our GST was being cut millions of dollars,

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Speaker 6: It actually wasn't. Our relative share was increasing. Is that

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Speaker 6: something that was misleading the Parliament and should therefore be

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Speaker 6: referred to.

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Speaker 1: I think we decline in our GST, but we've.

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Speaker 3: Seen in this I'm getting straight onto it, mack.

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Speaker 1: GST revenue because we've seen across Australia a stronger growth

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Speaker 1: in the economy. But it shows that we're managing our

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Speaker 1: economic responsibilities at the same time.

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Speaker 2: I did note this morning that the ABC, I believe

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Speaker 2: ABC News was running a story that the public service

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Speaker 2: has continued to grow over thee I think it's over

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Speaker 2: the last financial year. I'm assuming it's come out of

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Speaker 2: the annual report that the public service has continued to grow.

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Speaker 1: Matt correct me if I'm wrong, But I thought it was.

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Speaker 2: A recommendation of the Langolent Review that the public service

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Speaker 2: would not grow.

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Speaker 6: It was a promise of the government in fact. But

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Speaker 6: that may may have been misleading the Parliament and privileges,

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Speaker 6: but I think that they threw they threw that cap well,

888
00:41:26,320 --> 00:41:29,719
Speaker 6: they had a freeze and then they theys and then

889
00:41:29,719 --> 00:41:32,719
Speaker 6: they because the freeze didn't work, and then the cap

890
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Speaker 6: hasn't worked, and now I think they said, well, we've

891
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Speaker 6: got a pandemic, so bugger it, we'll just have a

892
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Speaker 6: We'll just.

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Speaker 5: Have more and more, and there, you know, we've got

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Speaker 5: You know, the Deputy Chief Minister always likes to spreak

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Speaker 5: minds and jobs, jobs, jobs as their favorite little cheap slogan.

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Speaker 3: But we only don't talk over the top of me.

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Speaker 5: One million dollars in additional taxation or revenue to the

898
00:41:55,719 --> 00:41:59,200
Speaker 5: territory for a mining which shows that their commitment around

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00:41:59,200 --> 00:42:02,000
Speaker 5: that industry is completely hollow. I mean, this government is

900
00:42:02,160 --> 00:42:06,560
Speaker 5: all smoke and mirrors and nothing else. The substance is

901
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Speaker 5: just not there, and it's really disappointing.

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Speaker 4: I've opened over the last five years in the Northern

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Speaker 4: Territory one. So despite all the crap that comes out

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Speaker 4: of the mouth of the Deputy Chief Minister, the mining Minister,

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Speaker 4: there's a lot of speculation, a lot of big talk,

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00:42:22,719 --> 00:42:24,440
Speaker 4: but not a lot of action. There was nothing to

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00:42:24,480 --> 00:42:27,560
Speaker 4: get excited about in the Treasurer's report that came out.

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Speaker 5: I just think for zero dollars to be attributed to

909
00:42:30,200 --> 00:42:33,799
Speaker 5: policy change just shows they have absolutely no commitment to

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Speaker 5: budget repairs we are.

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00:42:34,800 --> 00:42:36,520
Speaker 2: Going to have to wrap up. But one question I

912
00:42:36,560 --> 00:42:38,600
Speaker 2: do want to ask Folesy. This one's actually for you,

913
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Speaker 2: because earlier in the week we got a phone call

914
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Speaker 2: from a nurse who has graduated from her nursing degree.

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Speaker 2: She's done all of her practicals, but cannot get a

916
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Speaker 2: job in the Northern Territory at the moment. She Reckon says,

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Speaker 2: about two hundred odd grad nurses who are unable to

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Speaker 2: get work at the moment. Why are we not utilizing

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Speaker 2: these graduate nurses that are there ready to get started.

920
00:43:01,120 --> 00:43:04,120
Speaker 2: They are super keen. They're able to get work into state,

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00:43:04,200 --> 00:43:05,400
Speaker 2: but not here in the territory.

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Speaker 1: So Katie On need to get that individual's details. And

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Speaker 1: I don't know her specific case, but we've got a

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Speaker 1: commitment from the Department of Health that every grad nurse

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Speaker 1: that is eligible, so we need to of course made

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Speaker 1: sure that they have completed their requirements will get a

927
00:43:17,360 --> 00:43:19,800
Speaker 1: position within NTI Health. We know that the graduate program

928
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Speaker 1: is a fantastic way to have a pathway for growing

929
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Speaker 1: our own and that number has increased, so be happy

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Speaker 1: to look into the specific.

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Speaker 3: But that's different.

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Speaker 5: How many graduates are able to go into that program

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Speaker 5: that's quite different to how many people graduate.

934
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Speaker 1: Fincially, because you've got an opinion on everything when you

935
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Speaker 1: don't have any factual base for it. I was about

936
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Speaker 1: to say to you, touching over two hundred gradness there.

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Speaker 1: It's over two hundred grad nurses that we expect coming

938
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Speaker 1: into the program this year. But it is important that

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Speaker 1: they are eligible, so you know, I don't know if

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00:43:49,960 --> 00:43:51,719
Speaker 1: they haven't met all the criteria. I don't know that

941
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Speaker 1: circumstances either.

942
00:43:52,920 --> 00:43:54,759
Speaker 2: Because she was still able to get a job into state,

943
00:43:55,200 --> 00:43:57,600
Speaker 2: and she'd said to us she didn't want to be identified,

944
00:43:57,640 --> 00:44:00,879
Speaker 2: but she had said that there was certainly others as

945
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Speaker 2: well who are in the same situation who'd actually gone

946
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Speaker 2: into state for work because they couldn't get it here.

947
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Speaker 3: In the territory dunting through CDU.

948
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Speaker 1: Through CDU, Katie.

949
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Speaker 4: Real lives a problem.

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Speaker 1: Okay, well, Katie, we made a commitment though, that's all

951
00:44:15,040 --> 00:44:17,400
Speaker 1: the grad nurses coming through. If they would like a

952
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Speaker 1: job in the territory and they're eligible, that will provide

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Speaker 1: them for it. Because we know that it's a really

954
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Speaker 1: great pathway to grow our own workforce.

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Speaker 2: We are going to have to leave it there. Thank

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Speaker 2: you all, so very much for your time this morning.

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Speaker 2: Leaf and Oki, thank.

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Speaker 3: You, thank you.

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Speaker 5: And it's the last Palmerston Market so come down support it.

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Speaker 3: It'll be great. I'll see you there.

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Speaker 1: Matt Cunningham from Sky News, thank you.

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Speaker 6: Thanks Katie. And there's a big day on at the

963
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Speaker 6: Warata Footy Club tomorrow, big function from twelve o'clock to

964
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Speaker 6: raise money for the te Wee Bombers who've been struggling

965
00:44:43,200 --> 00:44:45,400
Speaker 6: a bit. But the TV Bombers first home game in

966
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Speaker 6: Darwin that we played at Gardens Over fantastic.

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Speaker 1: That'll be a good one, no doubt about it. Robin Lamley,

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Speaker 1: thank you for being here this morning.

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Speaker 4: Thank you, Katie, Darby Day, the Alice Springs to get

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Speaker 4: us down. It's going to be a party.

971
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Speaker 2: Who I have told the story I won sixteen thousand

972
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Speaker 2: dollars at the Allie Spring Races when I was a

973
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Speaker 2: young whipper snapper.

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Speaker 5: That's it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that was a very long time ago.

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Speaker 2: Accidentally accidentally, Yes, Natasha Philes, thank you very much for

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Speaker 2: your thanks everyone.

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Speaker 1: Thank you. You are listening to Mix one O four

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Speaker 1: point nine