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Speaker 2: Good morning to your commissioner.

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Speaker 3: Good morning Katy, Good morning to listeners too.

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Speaker 2: How are you very well?

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Speaker 1: A big congratulations to you on your appointment yesterday?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, thanks so much, very exciting and very honored the appointment.

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Speaker 3: So yeah, I've got a lot of work to do now.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you're spot on, and I will get to some

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Speaker 3: So I've learned a lot along the way. It's been

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Speaker 1: It's going to be a massive job, there is no

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Speaker 2: Commissioner. I'm going to throw a few quick ones at you.

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Speaker 1: All right, so that is definitely something that you're considering

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Speaker 3: There's a huge body of work to do to basically

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Commissioner also keen to ask you in the space

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Speaker 3: Yeah, no, I think we are making some inroads. There's

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Speaker 3: still it's a very light discussion that's even reached the

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Speaker 3: It's a discussion at Police commissioner level. It is a

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Speaker 3: I've said it before. We can't keep doing the same

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Speaker 3: It's across the whole spectrum of investment, early intervention. You know,

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Speaker 3: we see our cold Field syndrome, disorder in the territory,

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Speaker 2: Yes, that is an absolute priority Police Commissioner.

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Speaker 1: We hear a lot from territorians on the text line,

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Speaker 1: they understand that the police are doing a really hard job.

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Speaker 1: They know that you guys do a fantastic job, but

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Speaker 3: So the Joint Emergency Communications Center is very busy. We're

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Speaker 3: other thing is that redirecting traffic that's not necessarily should

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Speaker 1: Yeah, look, I think that sounds like a good thing,

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Speaker 3: Yeah? Look, well, fieries are great. You know, they're highly dispontine. Thankfully,

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Speaker 3: they do fantastic work, Emergency said, But not forgetting all

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Speaker 3: You know, when you're incredibly proud when you look at

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Speaker 3: go to dangerous jobs, they sacrifice time, they put themselves

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Speaker 3: the emergency services who just relentlessly help the community in

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Speaker 3: proud and just a big thank you to everyone that

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Speaker 1: Northern Territory Police Commissioner and also CEO of Fire and

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Speaker 1: the start, doesn't it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, thanks Katie, I like it.

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Speaker 1: Thanks so much for your time this morning. I really appreciate.

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Speaker 1: I know it's a busy, busy time for you, so

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Speaker 1: thank you for speaking to me and my listeners this morning.

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Speaker 3: Absolute pleasure, Katie. Thank you, and I'll talk to you in.

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Speaker 2: Sounds good than you too. Thanks so much.