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Speaker 1: first peoples of these countries, both past and present.

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Speaker 2: Harvey Weinstein, Bob Weinstein, God blessed Weinstein.

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Speaker 3: Thank you Harvey Weinstein, especially Harvey Weinstein. Harvey Weinstein who

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Speaker 3: had the guts.

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Speaker 2: And I just want to congratulate Harvey and his wife

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Speaker 3: Harvey gave us just what we needed another hymn.

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Speaker 4: Good morning and welcome to the Daily os. It's Tuesday,

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Speaker 4: the eleventh of October. I'm Zara, I'm Sam. Now quick

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Speaker 4: heads up, this episode contains discussions of sexual assault and harassment.

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Speaker 4: So if that's not something you're comfortable listening to, we

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Speaker 4: will see you again tomorrow. Or if you find it

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Speaker 4: today's episode does bring up anything for you, there is

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Speaker 4: always help available at one eight hundred respect that's one

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Speaker 4: eight hundred seven three seven seven three to two. This

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Speaker 4: month marks five years since the global explosion of the

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Speaker 4: me Too movement. The phrase, originally coined by activist Tarana

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Speaker 4: Burke in the early two thousands, is now for a

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Speaker 4: lot of people indelibly linked to early October twenty seventeen,

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Speaker 4: when that news broke about Hollywood producer Harvey Weinstein's history

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Speaker 4: of sexual assaults.

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Speaker 3: We'll recap those first few weeks.

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Speaker 4: Cover what's happened since, and explain why Weinstein's back in

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Speaker 4: their headlines today.

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Speaker 3: First Sam take us through the news of the day.

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Speaker 2: New South Wales Premier Dominique Perreite has issued new flood

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Speaker 2: warnings ahead of more rain expected to fall this week.

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Speaker 2: Many of the areas across the state that experience flooding

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Speaker 2: warnings and receiving over thirty eight hundred requests for assistance.

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Speaker 4: Maderna's COVID nineteen boost vaccine that targets the original and

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Speaker 4: BA one omicron subvariant is now available to adults across Australia.

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Speaker 4: The JAB was approved by the Australian Technical Advisory Group

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Speaker 4: on Immunization last month and comes after it was already

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Speaker 2: There's some new data from independent property analyst firm core Logic.

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Speaker 2: They've found that Australia's dwelling vacancy rates are its lowest

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Speaker 2: on record. Vacancies fell to one point one percent nationally

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Speaker 2: in September, with core Logic research analyst Caitlin Ezzi attributing

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Speaker 2: the change to a mix of factors around changing lending

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Speaker 4: And the good news, a bill in California that will

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Speaker 4: provide children with free books up to their fifth birthday

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Speaker 4: has been signed into law. The law will come into

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Speaker 4: Pardon's Imagination Library Probe, which works to support children's reading

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Speaker 2: Zara, it feels in many ways quite a fast five

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Speaker 2: moment in our culture. And then for those stories to

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Speaker 2: be followed by what felt like this global outpouring of

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Speaker 2: stories on Twitter, with people using hashtag me too to

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Speaker 2: Ronan Pharaoh piece and Harvey Weinstein, Zara, you said, the

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Speaker 2: term me too was actually coined a lot earlier than that.

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Speaker 2: Can you tell me about where it came from?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, And this is an important point and one that

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Speaker 4: Been working at a grassroots level through community organizations, as

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Speaker 4: I said, in Alabama, using this phrase me too as

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Speaker 4: Okay, So to answer that, I think we need to

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Speaker 4: look back at October twenty seventeen, two massive stories, one

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Speaker 4: They both came out within days of each other. They

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Speaker 4: They also alleged that Weinstein had a pattern of keeping

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Speaker 4: Before these allegations came out, there were supercuts on YouTube

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Speaker 4: of dozens of people thanking Harvey Weinstein, that same man

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Speaker 4: in their Oscar acceptance speeches.

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Speaker 4: And Harvey, thank you for killing whoever you had killed

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Speaker 4: to get me up here today and to see the uh,

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Speaker 4: But in the days following those stories, more and more actors,

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Speaker 4: part of this momentum, actor Alyssa Milano went on Twitter

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Speaker 4: and posted an image which read me too. Suggested by

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Speaker 2: I remember that moment really well. It was everywhere online

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Speaker 2: I'm glad that Tarana Burke's name is part of the

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Speaker 2: So if we go back to that October twenty seventeen moment.

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Speaker 2: In the months following the explosion, the hashtag me too.

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Speaker 4: stories about powerful men. In October of twenty seventeen, men

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Speaker 3: And it had the effect of reigniting cases that had stalled.

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Speaker 4: A better investigation into r Kelly, around whom there had

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Speaker 2: And it was Harvey Weinstein's story in The New Yorker

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Speaker 4: At that time, he was charged with assaulting two women

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Speaker 2: So we're five years on from those articles about Harvey

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Speaker 4: Dalios today and again, if this episode brought up something

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